Thank you for doing this. I am not sure why I was getting the higher R23 score but it did seemed unexpected. With the stock cooler I do get the same score for both board. I bought the A520M S2H because it was cheap and it had Qflash for BIOS. You are right about the VRMs I don't know why they did not put a heatsink on the board. I made this as a training system and a way to teach kids how to build a computer. If they mess up a $61 motherboard I would not feel too bad. Thank you once again for looking into it.
A520 boards are fine, but I think nowadays a board should come with vrm heatsinks they aren't expensive to slap on. Usb-c, even just on the rear is also a good addition.
It all depends on use case. If you need a cheap computer that "just works" and don't plan on upgrading or overclocking then A520 is fine. If you want want a "starter" PC that you can upgrade as time goes on a mid range board makes more sense.
Good video! Would definitely have been an interesting discussion if you were able to replicate the commenter's benchmark results. Would make me really curious about other board comparisons in different price ranges too. Hearing the sound effects used in your graphs makes me want to play the OG FF7 again hahah.
I build PCs on the side, I've found that a basic Gigabyte B450 or A320M does the job, although when I do use Ryzen 5000 series CPUs I usually try to find a MSI B550M Pro about $100.
Another great video. I've played around with similar things. He must've hit the silicon lottery, among other factors. Some great parts deals on Newegg lately as well.
I just bought this motherboard after looking at your review in 2024. paired it with a gigabyte a520m ds3h, ryzen 5500 stock cooler, gtx1060, 500gb kingston nv2 and 16gb 3200mhz ram... this thing is snappy! easily handles Aliens: fireteam elite at 90fps on medium settings 2x aa 1080p, fortnite is a breeze, warzone a stable 70fps... gave this PC to a friend who has 42" LED TV 1080 60hz as his desktop screen, and i gotta say, what a low budget quick PC! sure it's pcie 3.0, but he doesnt notice it. temps on idle - cpu 37c gpu 44c vrm 32c load- cpu 60c gpu 73c vrm 48c my friend is super happy, we can finally play games together without lag! was super cheap as well to build.
I think we are paying 30dls or 40dls more, but not for that 5%, ist just because the electronic parts are and should be of higher quality, greater durability, have more ports and connections, in addition to having a little more guarantee that it will last over time and with future updates. A part also for the aesthetics of the motherboard. They are more aesthetic and when it comes to building a pc with a nice case it looks much better.
@@shadyb834 Yes, it's funny. And it's rare for that to happen. But it happens. So be it a 570, B550, etc. I have 2 b450 asus tuf for 2 years and without any problem. But I had 1 aourus b450 elite which stopped working after 6 months. And what I find funny is that those 520 have more rgb argb connectors than the b450 which in theory are better.
@@skeetlejuice522 check eBay. Old intel boards are really expensive tho. I switched my 8700k to mini itx this year and had to buy a used board for $200. That probably has a lot to do with the fact that itx boards are more expensive in general but even regular ATX ones are a bit on the expensive side.
my guess is that the viewer lives in a country with 220/240 volt mains power thus providing much cleaner power to the power supply which in turn helped PBO. Other than that this re-enforces my love for downdraft coolers and B series chipsets, my last 2 intel builds were non-K chips on the B150 and B360(still running it) chipsets.
Hi NOAB; I love your channel and content! Thanks a lot for doing this test; I love seeing how lower end boards perform. I know Gigabyte actually rolled out 5000 series support for A320 boards, surprisingly. I actually have a Gigabyte A320M-S2H board and am curious to see how it handles a 65w processor like the 5600x. I'd love to see you test out that combo if you're able. Much love and looking forward to seeing more budget hardware tests.
Hey Danny I'm using a B450 M from Aorus with with Ryzen 3 second gen. it working great and I don't ever overclock anything but the only game I have said the cpu is out of dated is WWII COD I think it need a 6 core to run it and your lan party video like always really awesome to watch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I like uniformity in my things. Crooked things on a motherboard. That board is out. Also extra features are always nice. So I'll spend a bit more. Always looking for sales.
Gigabyte just release bios update to support vermeer (5000 series non G) on A320 board. Insane but need to wait them release 5000 G series support. I hv A320M S2H rev 1xx already with latest bios.
In other words, overclocking is DEAD - on AMD or Intel's recent chips! You also confirmed what many other reviewers have noted about the AM4 motherboards lacking performance variance, so buy the one that has the features you want. Cheers.
Your aftermarket cooler likely helped the VRMs as well, thank to the Bernoulli effect. It's going to pull the air over the VRMs. Overall, liked the video. Don't care so much about overclocking, but some features are worth it. Just two weeks ago, I spent $90 (Microcenter) on a Gigabyte B550M motherboard. Features of a mid-range MB at a lower price and it's treating me very well so far. For a low end-build, yes a low end board as long as it's quality. If building for my parents, I'd go with a $60-$70 board. Once I build it, it's not going to change.
Hey Danny, another awesome video! Cheap is good if you just want the basic stuff. But getting a mid range mb gives you more leeway, I got a B450 for my son’s build myself.
Great video. I prefer to use the components that I need for today and worry about tomorrow when it comes. Since the stock performance is so close I would guess that most would opt for the lower cost board to either reduce the total cost or to upgrade another component.
High 60s is totally fine for VRMs, those can go over 100-115 without any issue even when using garbo components. I've become a believer on solid well featured boards, I used to think the bare minimum board was enough but there's a few advantages on buying a mid range value one. Features like RGB connectivity, # of fan connectors, VRM cooling, RAM OC support, general built quality, I/O, included sound. Nothing wrong with using entry level A520 but an upgrade if possible is really worth it my opinion, usually is not much more money for a way better board. Even if you don't OC like a madman, having a robust VRM and good OC support for RAM ensures you'll have no issues and will probably have a better experience. I'm no expert by any means but I have used Ryzen DRAM Calculator to tweak the primary and secondary timmings of my RAM, 5% of performance is quite nice, that and others tweaks have been possible because of a decent value B450.
I have a Asus tuff A520 board and it has a vram heat sink. I don't overclock so when my 18 month old Msi b450 bazooka started acting up I got the Tuff board on sale for $80 and it works just fine.
ryzen master won't work on cheep A board. it will launch, show temps and watts, but that's about it. I say that because i'm a thinkerer, I love to overclock but ryzen master do a better job a turboing and rising clock than I do at all core.
AMD said it themselves that there's no performance difference between 4xx and 5xx mobos. Now which one would you trust more, the company that made the hardware or some random people on the internet?? 🤣
The person that commented may be random, but based on how the conversation was going over multiple responses I believe that they were able to get that high score they claimed, there's no reason for them to lie about it.
I wouldn't call 5% margin of error though, especially if it's consistently that trend over multiple runs gonna have to get more details on what he was doing. Interestingly enough, he was also only running his memory at 3000 MHz, so that makes it even more puzzling since all my numbers were at 3200
@@nerdonabudget I meant your own score difference between b450 and A520 is within margin of error, but yeah you're right. There are lots of variables, it could even be software, like particular driver version (chipset), Windows version & updates etc.
@@dendrobium.stamen I am not sure why I was getting the higher score but I will admit I am no testing expert. The CPU R23 score is higher with the cheap tower cooler and it was a clean install of windows. For a $61 motherboard it did well (except for the VRMs at 70c and no overclocking lol)
Thank you for doing this. I am not sure why I was getting the higher R23 score but it did seemed unexpected. With the stock cooler I do get the same score for both board. I bought the A520M S2H because it was cheap and it had Qflash for BIOS. You are right about the VRMs I don't know why they did not put a heatsink on the board. I made this as a training system and a way to teach kids how to build a computer. If they mess up a $61 motherboard I would not feel too bad. Thank you once again for looking into it.
Could be down to a difference in ram speed/timings/dual rank vs single rank memory. Interesting to see a chipset comparison.
A520 boards are fine, but I think nowadays a board should come with vrm heatsinks they aren't expensive to slap on. Usb-c, even just on the rear is also a good addition.
It all depends on use case. If you need a cheap computer that "just works" and don't plan on upgrading or overclocking then A520 is fine. If you want want a "starter" PC that you can upgrade as time goes on a mid range board makes more sense.
Good video! Would definitely have been an interesting discussion if you were able to replicate the commenter's benchmark results. Would make me really curious about other board comparisons in different price ranges too. Hearing the sound effects used in your graphs makes me want to play the OG FF7 again hahah.
Yep, the sounds effectsare great 👍🏼
I love the AM4 platform.
I find the B450 boards very useful and a great bargain
FR, I bought a b450m for a friend on Newegg (Open Box) for $60
I build PCs on the side, I've found that a basic Gigabyte B450 or A320M does the job, although when I do use Ryzen 5000 series CPUs I usually try to find a MSI B550M Pro about $100.
Another great video. I've played around with similar things. He must've hit the silicon lottery, among other factors. Some great parts deals on Newegg lately as well.
I just bought this motherboard after looking at your review in 2024. paired it with a gigabyte a520m ds3h, ryzen 5500 stock cooler, gtx1060, 500gb kingston nv2 and 16gb 3200mhz ram... this thing is snappy! easily handles Aliens: fireteam elite at 90fps on medium settings 2x aa 1080p, fortnite is a breeze, warzone a stable 70fps... gave this PC to a friend who has 42" LED TV 1080 60hz as his desktop screen, and i gotta say, what a low budget quick PC! sure it's pcie 3.0, but he doesnt notice it.
temps on idle -
cpu 37c
gpu 44c
vrm 32c
load-
cpu 60c
gpu 73c
vrm 48c
my friend is super happy, we can finally play games together without lag! was super cheap as well to build.
@@jamesgtoxed6669 how much storage have this vrm.. Could you tell me
I think we are paying 30dls or 40dls more, but not for that 5%, ist just because the electronic parts are and should be of higher quality, greater durability, have more ports and connections, in addition to having a little more guarantee that it will last over time and with future updates. A part also for the aesthetics of the motherboard. They are more aesthetic and when it comes to building a pc with a nice case it looks much better.
Funny thing is my as rock steel legend b450 broke down after 6 months while my msi a520m is still fine almost a year now
@@shadyb834 Yes, it's funny. And it's rare for that to happen. But it happens. So be it a 570, B550, etc. I have 2 b450 asus tuf for 2 years and without any problem. But I had 1 aourus b450 elite which stopped working after 6 months. And what I find funny is that those 520 have more rgb argb connectors than the b450 which in theory are better.
Good job on all the testing, Mr.DannysNexus! 😅🤘
I like the cheap stuff cause it works. I also have a tomahawk b450 with a 5600G.
Heck yeah! More staying up late to get edited videos!
Hey Noab good to see you upload again awesome video as always
i have a huge problem, i have an i7 7700 and can not find a good board can anyone please help me
Amazon warehouse has had some great deals on the B450, snagged 2 different times for 50$ each!
i have a huge problem, i have an i7 7700 and can not find a good board can anyone please help me
@@skeetlejuice522 the 270 intel motherboards are super expensive nowadays. Continue to check amazon and see if there are any used models.
@@SomeBleu ok thanks bud
I snagged a msi a520 from amazon warehouse for 30, it runs well with my 3600 at stock. If your not going to overclock or run pcie 4.0 A520 runs fine.
@@skeetlejuice522 check eBay. Old intel boards are really expensive tho. I switched my 8700k to mini itx this year and had to buy a used board for $200. That probably has a lot to do with the fact that itx boards are more expensive in general but even regular ATX ones are a bit on the expensive side.
my guess is that the viewer lives in a country with 220/240 volt mains power thus providing much cleaner power to the power supply which in turn helped PBO. Other than that this re-enforces my love for downdraft coolers and B series chipsets, my last 2 intel builds were non-K chips on the B150 and B360(still running it) chipsets.
Thanks for the video Nerd.
WOW really interesting about a stock cooler blowing over the vrm's vs a aftermarket taller cooler...
Hi NOAB; I love your channel and content! Thanks a lot for doing this test; I love seeing how lower end boards perform. I know Gigabyte actually rolled out 5000 series support for A320 boards, surprisingly. I actually have a Gigabyte A320M-S2H board and am curious to see how it handles a 65w processor like the 5600x. I'd love to see you test out that combo if you're able. Much love and looking forward to seeing more budget hardware tests.
Hey Danny I'm using a B450 M from Aorus with with Ryzen 3 second gen. it working great and I don't ever overclock anything but the only game I have said the cpu is out of dated is WWII COD I think it need a 6 core to run it and your lan party video like always really awesome to watch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I like uniformity in my things. Crooked things on a motherboard. That board is out. Also extra features are always nice. So I'll spend a bit more. Always looking for sales.
I haven't seen others like that. I think it could just be this one or very few.
Thanks for the visual comparison table
The A520M S2H is the only 500 chipset motherboard that can run Zen 1 APUs like the 2200g and 2400g.
the boss budget in the market called maxsun and soyo B450m B550 and they are really well and half the price of these known brands
Dope video my guy
Great job, thank you.
Gigabyte just release bios update to support vermeer (5000 series non G) on A320 board. Insane but need to wait them release 5000 G series support. I hv A320M S2H rev 1xx already with latest bios.
In other words, overclocking is DEAD - on AMD or Intel's recent chips!
You also confirmed what many other reviewers have noted about the AM4 motherboards lacking performance variance, so buy the one that has the features you want.
Cheers.
A x570 is pointless if ur not going to use the features that's why I got a b550 this time and it's good
i have a huge problem, i have an i7 7700 and can not find a good board can anyone please help me
@@skeetlejuice522 get a b550 with ryzen 5
ummmm u liked it but gave me no help lol
@@skeetlejuice522 are you in the US? I have a spare ASUS Prime z270
Why were there no A420 boards?
I found a b550m pro with wifi for 108,60 dollar is that good for a ryzen 5 5600G?
stock cooler in 100% cpu ?
Your aftermarket cooler likely helped the VRMs as well, thank to the Bernoulli effect. It's going to pull the air over the VRMs.
Overall, liked the video. Don't care so much about overclocking, but some features are worth it. Just two weeks ago, I spent $90 (Microcenter) on a Gigabyte B550M motherboard. Features of a mid-range MB at a lower price and it's treating me very well so far.
For a low end-build, yes a low end board as long as it's quality. If building for my parents, I'd go with a $60-$70 board. Once I build it, it's not going to change.
would you recommend 5600x and a520 with stock cooler, i dont want to oc or anything and i dont care about future upgrading
I would say at least buy the $25 ID cooler. However for gaming Stock should be fine, you can always add a better cooler later.
guys b450m pro4 (110$) or b450m-a pro max II (80$)? i don't have the intention to oc
maybe the viewer achieved those scores because he benchmarked his rig in alaska or siberia. places with low ambient temps
do you have any b550 for sale? trying to switch my b450 =D
Hey Danny, another awesome video! Cheap is good if you just want the basic stuff. But getting a mid range mb gives you more leeway, I got a B450 for my son’s build myself.
windows tweaks matters alot on bench test.
Get video, Danny. Very interesting information, thanks...
Great video. I prefer to use the components that I need for today and worry about tomorrow when it comes. Since the stock performance is so close I would guess that most would opt for the lower cost board to either reduce the total cost or to upgrade another component.
Great vid but that will be more if u add igpu test between those motherbooard
imagine actual heatsinks on your vrm is better then no heatsinks , who would have thought :)
nice vid!
My b450m mobo died after 4 years and ordered a520m. I'm waiting for mobo to arrive and try it out.
isnt it a downgrade?
Moral of the story:
Never listen to randoms
Exactly!
High 60s is totally fine for VRMs, those can go over 100-115 without any issue even when using garbo components.
I've become a believer on solid well featured boards, I used to think the bare minimum board was enough but there's a few advantages on buying a mid range value one. Features like RGB connectivity, # of fan connectors, VRM cooling, RAM OC support, general built quality, I/O, included sound. Nothing wrong with using entry level A520 but an upgrade if possible is really worth it my opinion, usually is not much more money for a way better board.
Even if you don't OC like a madman, having a robust VRM and good OC support for RAM ensures you'll have no issues and will probably have a better experience. I'm no expert by any means but I have used Ryzen DRAM Calculator to tweak the primary and secondary timmings of my RAM, 5% of performance is quite nice, that and others tweaks have been possible because of a decent value B450.
I have a Asus tuff A520 board and it has a vram heat sink. I don't overclock so when my 18 month old Msi b450 bazooka started acting up I got the Tuff board on sale for $80 and it works just fine.
good review
Never cheap out on a motherboard.
You will get less features, less upgradability except in certain situations, and less reliability.
i have a huge problem, i have an i7 7700 and can not find a good board can anyone please help me
Check ebay dude. Thats old hardware
@@nat99997 i know i just dont know what boards i can even use
@@nat99997 i found a site with a list of all the boards and when i look them up there is non anywhere
@@skeetlejuice522 not gonna be easy to find new stock of that chipset. Probably better off buying one off FB Marketplace or something. Good luck!
@@DroneDocs thank u
i try to pay a little more for higher quality.
maybe because rams, because ryzen soo sensitive rams
Give you 25 bucks for it
he tricked u 😂
ryzen master won't work on cheep A board.
it will launch, show temps and watts, but that's about it.
I say that because i'm a thinkerer, I love to overclock but ryzen master do a better job a turboing and rising clock than I do at all core.
Could you waive your hands around a little more? Putting rappers to shame.
AMD said it themselves that there's no performance difference between 4xx and 5xx mobos. Now which one would you trust more, the company that made the hardware or some random people on the internet?? 🤣
The person that commented may be random, but based on how the conversation was going over multiple responses I believe that they were able to get that high score they claimed, there's no reason for them to lie about it.
@@nerdonabudget sure, but this video says otherwise though, and i think it's valid. The difference is within margin of error.
I wouldn't call 5% margin of error though, especially if it's consistently that trend over multiple runs gonna have to get more details on what he was doing. Interestingly enough, he was also only running his memory at 3000 MHz, so that makes it even more puzzling since all my numbers were at 3200
@@nerdonabudget I meant your own score difference between b450 and A520 is within margin of error, but yeah you're right. There are lots of variables, it could even be software, like particular driver version (chipset), Windows version & updates etc.
@@dendrobium.stamen I am not sure why I was getting the higher score but I will admit I am no testing expert. The CPU R23 score is higher with the cheap tower cooler and it was a clean install of windows. For a $61 motherboard it did well (except for the VRMs at 70c and no overclocking lol)
A520 boards are worthless. Your best bet is a B550 board.
You can invest that money on any other components, and get more improvements when difference between b550 and a520
Bro why do you talk like you breathe through your mouth?