@@timmyp34 given this dude's flop and turn calls, I'm not sure he wouldn't have called with Ace high. Given stack sizes, the opponent didn't have odds to call the overbet on the turn if he thought his only way to win was to hit the flush (or even if he thought there were also three ace outs). I agree that its better to check the river to induce a bluff from the portion of the opponent's range that would fold the river, but hero can't really fold to a jam, right? And villain basically jams his entire range here im guessing, except maybe like one pair. (I could be way off here; I'm no expert)
@@timmyp34he called a flop 3 bet with just a backdoor flush and backdoor straight and 1 over card lmao. Then he called a turn overbet of 140% with a naked flush draw and 1 over 😂 Nah, he ain't calling with worse 😂😂😂😂😂 STFU dude lmao. Clearly would have called with a Queen . He obviously thought the hero was full of it.
Hard to believe the villain was raising flop with just one over and a couple backdoor draws, no pair. That's kinda maniacal. Calling the hero's turn bet somewhat makes sense, since he picked up equity for both flush and straight draws. Just a shitty run-out for hero. Hard to escape on the river once so much money has gone in. Might have been better to just jam turn.
Wouldn't a naked flush draw be a terrible turn call, especially given the less than 1:1 SPR after the call going to the river? Even like A7 of hearts, the absolute best thing he could have against a made hand is only like 30% and he's not getting that price directly on the flop so you'd think he'd only call if they were deeper on the river. And he really shouldn't ever have that after the flop action anyway. A pair plus flush draw is only getting 20%. I'd bet I'm coolering a set virtually every time or against KQ/AQ if my image is that bad after it goes down the way it did on the flop/turn (without having seen the river, yet). Edit: now that I've seen the river, his opponent is just a moron and OP got insanely unlucky. I don't think he played it wrong at all.
It makes zero sense. Honestly I don't even think the heart combo draws make much sense without 67 or 78. With so much aggression on a dry board and huge turn bet, everything except 79 is looking at gs+bdfd and 12 outs/10 outs on the turn if H has a set. A7 has jack shit going for it on the flop and only 13 outs against a set on the turn. They're all garbage spots to be piling money in besides 79.
Yeah I’d just assume after the flop action I’m up against 55 or Q8 almost every time. The only heart combo I’d expect post flop would be 76hh which is impossible after the turn.
Sad but your opponent did have a viable hand on the flop to continue with if he thinks an Ace is enough by putting you on Qx and having double backdoors. So I think both players didnt make a real mistake, raising the flop for villain is certainly a bit on the riskier side with his hand but makes sense too on a rainbow board with just a queen if hero doesnt have a pocket pair or exactly a queen he has to fold so thats fine too actually.
I think the caller had villain’s image of hero pegged perfectly and worked it to his advantage. Since the villain showed up with Ah4h, I think he could have some of the unsuited str8 draws too. Meaning hero could have already been dead on the turn and the Jh brought in other str8s as well as the flush. His image worked for him “perfectly” until the river. I don’t know if he should unload the clip or not. He was targeting 2 pair which makes it a good bet, I just wonder if her knows the Villian well enough to re-evaluate the river Jh?
I played this hand perfectly I'm like barely into the hand and he's already over raised from early position and doesn't even remember what position the callers are in hard to play perfectly when you're not even 100% sure what's going on??
Great video as always Bart, I just don’t understand why the villain would be more weighted towards hands with heart draws after calling an overbet on the turn considering the price and implied odds are so bad to draw to a flush
What CAN continue to this b/3b flop then overbet turn? Hands that had equity and now pick up the additional heart draw. They're under immense pressure, if they didn't turn additional equity, they would pretty much have to fold 100%. Example- T9hh flops a gutshot and backdoor draws, and has about 24% equity. Raises as a bluff then calls in position. Turn gives you a double gutshot and the heart draw, suddenly you have 1 card to come but 34% equity.
@@keithmccormack7848 Zach's point is that with a 3bet raise on this flop, its pricing out most draws (even something like 76 might not be getting the odds). Flush draws are really thin drawing runner runner, unless V thinks Hero is just bluffing and his Ace is going to be good here some of the time.
If the villain has backdoor hearts then what other nonsense does he have that you beat? I can't see a check fold here against a player that's capable of showing up with A4hh on the river. It's just bad luck that he had it this time.
Also with the line he took, if i over bet pot on turn and he snap calls, im putting him on draws like the 76 and backdoor hearts because almost everyone hollywoods a little with the nuts or what they think is the nuts, qq and im checking river so he can continue with his bluffs and hopefully not stack me because he is worried about me folding, im paying what he bets most likely
The only confusion that I have about "effective" stacks is when it's not heads up or hero is not the short stack multi-way. If HJ in this instance had the same stack size as hero would the effective stack be 50,000 or the stack size of the main villain (CO) in this hand? Would it change if HJ made it to showdown too? In other words, is the effective stack always the short stack or is it different if hero and at least one other villain have more chips than the short stack villain?
The effective stack is basically the most you can win or lose from your stack in a given hand. Heads up, it's the shorter stack. In a multi-way pot, if the CO had 30k and the HJ and hero had 50k, the effective stack size would be 50k if the HJ made it to the river.
@@JBrandonMercer123 Okay, so I guess that means the effective stack is only known after the completion of the hand in a multi-way pot (assuming hero is not the short stack) because opponents with larger stacks may fold on a street that an opponent with a shorter stack continues on.
In response to Barts comments at the end that it wouldn’t surprise him if this hand would check fold river if you could solve this spot. Solver never folding a set with a heart. Especially not when flop top pair is a heart and the board blocking most of the hh combos that would continue on the flop.
Against a somewhat reasonable opponent the main backdoor hearts I would expect are T9 of hearts and 75 hearts on that river card. Only two combos of hands against that type of player, and here even though he has more flushes villain can have plenty of two pair, sets, etc that are worse that call as well.
now seeing the rest of the hand, he prob calls me, hits flush i bet anywhere from 30% to 75% of pot on river and i maybe get away or call when he jams river :))
It's better to open larger out of position. They're super deep and he has been super aggressive the entire season according to him. No problem with a 7x utg bet.
@@thaThRONe completely false in theory. Do you want to build a big pot OOP 600bb effective with a marginal hand? Even at 100bb theory opens smaller from ep\mp and larger IP. Because of positional disadvantage and to discourage 3bets given a better price. When you open larger you incentivize people to 3bet or fold against you because they are not getting a price.
@@RunItTw1ce4858 I mean if you are still getting called by weak ranges by all means open huge and slightly tight. Like I don't know if I would have played any of the early streets like hero but that all changes if I know I can get away with it.
On the turn, hero says he's going all in on the river even if its a heart. Doesn't that mean he should have jammed on the turn instead? Why wait for a river card that can only help the opponent?
When the villain tables Ah4h, the only thoughts I would be having would be to either flip over the table or pull out my Glock. I can feel his pain all the way here in GA.
Sorry I don't think he played it perfectly. A jam on the turn would be preferable. Villain has put in so much money it's unlikely he's folding. I would feel better about getting it in with the best hand than allowing an easy river call by villain.
Bart you’re the top dog here and imo the corrections are unnecessary. When you correct people on “effective stacks”, people saying lead instead bet or raise instead of bet, imo it increases the chances the quality of the interaction and therefore the video go down. I don’t know your motivations for these corrections. They are probably sometimes pure and other time status seeking. I’m a definitions matter guy but also a marketer and a manager. Keep up the good work
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Wesley losing on HCL dropped him down to Toronto home games.
Max value!
He knows too many engrish words for it to be Wesley 😂
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A cooler and no real blunder by the caller, but nevertheless valuable discussion
But I wouldn't jam the river, I disagree and can't see anyone calling with worse. Unless they have Jack4 and the opponent is Garret A....😂
@@timmyp34 given this dude's flop and turn calls, I'm not sure he wouldn't have called with Ace high. Given stack sizes, the opponent didn't have odds to call the overbet on the turn if he thought his only way to win was to hit the flush (or even if he thought there were also three ace outs). I agree that its better to check the river to induce a bluff from the portion of the opponent's range that would fold the river, but hero can't really fold to a jam, right? And villain basically jams his entire range here im guessing, except maybe like one pair. (I could be way off here; I'm no expert)
@@lpslpslpslpslpslps you may be right
@@timmyp34he called a flop 3 bet with just a backdoor flush and backdoor straight and 1 over card lmao. Then he called a turn overbet of 140% with a naked flush draw and 1 over 😂
Nah, he ain't calling with worse 😂😂😂😂😂
STFU dude lmao. Clearly would have called with a Queen . He obviously thought the hero was full of it.
NB: via the livestream vid, the heart on the flop was a 5 not a Q, putting much more QXh in v’s range.
Hard to believe the villain was raising flop with just one over and a couple backdoor draws, no pair. That's kinda maniacal. Calling the hero's turn bet somewhat makes sense, since he picked up equity for both flush and straight draws. Just a shitty run-out for hero. Hard to escape on the river once so much money has gone in. Might have been better to just jam turn.
QhXh is top pair and back door flush on flop. You don’t think QhJh+ is capable of raising that flop?
@@davidbeenjamminif they’re bad sure.
@@Stockhandle123I mean if he did it with Ah4h…
@@davidbeenjammin A4h is a better hand to raise imo.
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Thank you for the analysis coach!!! You never know until the river comes 😂
Wouldn't a naked flush draw be a terrible turn call, especially given the less than 1:1 SPR after the call going to the river? Even like A7 of hearts, the absolute best thing he could have against a made hand is only like 30% and he's not getting that price directly on the flop so you'd think he'd only call if they were deeper on the river. And he really shouldn't ever have that after the flop action anyway. A pair plus flush draw is only getting 20%. I'd bet I'm coolering a set virtually every time or against KQ/AQ if my image is that bad after it goes down the way it did on the flop/turn (without having seen the river, yet).
Edit: now that I've seen the river, his opponent is just a moron and OP got insanely unlucky. I don't think he played it wrong at all.
It makes zero sense. Honestly I don't even think the heart combo draws make much sense without 67 or 78. With so much aggression on a dry board and huge turn bet, everything except 79 is looking at gs+bdfd and 12 outs/10 outs on the turn if H has a set. A7 has jack shit going for it on the flop and only 13 outs against a set on the turn. They're all garbage spots to be piling money in besides 79.
Yeah I’d just assume after the flop action I’m up against 55 or Q8 almost every time. The only heart combo I’d expect post flop would be 76hh which is impossible after the turn.
Sad but your opponent did have a viable hand on the flop to continue with if he thinks an Ace is enough by putting you on Qx and having double backdoors. So I think both players didnt make a real mistake, raising the flop for villain is certainly a bit on the riskier side with his hand but makes sense too on a rainbow board with just a queen if hero doesnt have a pocket pair or exactly a queen he has to fold so thats fine too actually.
This caller was fuzzy on so many details of the hand, I wonder if there actually was a flush draw on the flop
I think the caller had villain’s image of hero pegged perfectly and worked it to his advantage. Since the villain showed up with Ah4h, I think he could have some of the unsuited str8 draws too. Meaning hero could have already been dead on the turn and the Jh brought in other str8s as well as the flush. His image worked for him “perfectly” until the river. I don’t know if he should unload the clip or not. He was targeting 2 pair which makes it a good bet, I just wonder if her knows the Villian well enough to re-evaluate the river Jh?
Only thing I'd change is a full pot flop raise to 5k. 3k is only a 1/3 pot raise for villain (1100pot + 1300 + 1300) + 1700 raise + 1700 call
I can answer V's question before hearing the details.
If he played the hand perfectly there is nothing he could do better.
Perfect= perfect
A good call because all his actions were basically correct or fine, but that came despite a lot of flawed logic or ignored information.
I played this hand perfectly I'm like barely into the hand and he's already over raised from early position and doesn't even remember what position the callers are in hard to play perfectly when you're not even 100% sure what's going on??
Great video as always Bart, I just don’t understand why the villain would be more weighted towards hands with heart draws after calling an overbet on the turn considering the price and implied odds are so bad to draw to a flush
What CAN continue to this b/3b flop then overbet turn? Hands that had equity and now pick up the additional heart draw. They're under immense pressure, if they didn't turn additional equity, they would pretty much have to fold 100%.
Example- T9hh flops a gutshot and backdoor draws, and has about 24% equity. Raises as a bluff then calls in position. Turn gives you a double gutshot and the heart draw, suddenly you have 1 card to come but 34% equity.
@@keithmccormack7848 Zach's point is that with a 3bet raise on this flop, its pricing out most draws (even something like 76 might not be getting the odds). Flush draws are really thin drawing runner runner, unless V thinks Hero is just bluffing and his Ace is going to be good here some of the time.
@ZeraLord yeah I think hero's image might have been a cause here for the light float
I guess it depends on if he also thought his 3 ace outs, and also his ace high, were winning some non-trivial percentage of the time
@@keithmccormack7848given what this guy did continue with, I’d say he arrives at the river with quite a lot of hands.
Yes, I also do not find any major mistakes by H. However I had a feeling his hand was face up from the flop
Bart being honest to callers: “thinks” “until the results” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Sometimes people call with these wild long shot hands. I'd get stacked too in that hand.
If the villain has backdoor hearts then what other nonsense does he have that you beat?
I can't see a check fold here against a player that's capable of showing up with A4hh on the river. It's just bad luck that he had it this time.
Good to hear Wesley moving back down in stakes to learn how to play better
Also with the line he took, if i over bet pot on turn and he snap calls, im putting him on draws like the 76 and backdoor hearts because almost everyone hollywoods a little with the nuts or what they think is the nuts, qq and im checking river so he can continue with his bluffs and hopefully not stack me because he is worried about me folding, im paying what he bets most likely
The only confusion that I have about "effective" stacks is when it's not heads up or hero is not the short stack multi-way. If HJ in this instance had the same stack size as hero would the effective stack be 50,000 or the stack size of the main villain (CO) in this hand? Would it change if HJ made it to showdown too? In other words, is the effective stack always the short stack or is it different if hero and at least one other villain have more chips than the short stack villain?
The effective stack is basically the most you can win or lose from your stack in a given hand. Heads up, it's the shorter stack. In a multi-way pot, if the CO had 30k and the HJ and hero had 50k, the effective stack size would be 50k if the HJ made it to the river.
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Okay, so I guess that means the effective stack is only known after the completion of the hand in a multi-way pot (assuming hero is not the short stack) because opponents with larger stacks may fold on a street that an opponent with a shorter stack continues on.
In response to Barts comments at the end that it wouldn’t surprise him if this hand would check fold river if you could solve this spot. Solver never folding a set with a heart. Especially not when flop top pair is a heart and the board blocking most of the hh combos that would continue on the flop.
At 14:00, I am thinking he has A5 of hearts. I don't think AKh raises flop, but A5 I can very much see it.
Boom!(?)
Against a somewhat reasonable opponent the main backdoor hearts I would expect are T9 of hearts and 75 hearts on that river card. Only two combos of hands against that type of player, and here even though he has more flushes villain can have plenty of two pair, sets, etc that are worse that call as well.
I like call after reraised on flop and then bet turn around 30% of pot on turn and see what he does, hoping he reraises and then get it in
now seeing the rest of the hand, he prob calls me, hits flush i bet anywhere from 30% to 75% of pot on river and i maybe get away or call when he jams river :))
or even worse he jams turn and gets there and stacks me haha
This call was a trainwreck lol
I've been to Beijing. Not my favorite country I've visited so far.
Haven’t watched the video yet but going to make a wild guess that Bart is giving away three five percent pieces of himself for the WSOP main event 😂😂
Caller: "I think I played perfectly" opens 7x utg 😂
It's better to open larger out of position. They're super deep and he has been super aggressive the entire season according to him. No problem with a 7x utg bet.
You have no idea how big the standard open is in China
@@thaThRONe completely false in theory. Do you want to build a big pot OOP 600bb effective with a marginal hand? Even at 100bb theory opens smaller from ep\mp and larger IP. Because of positional disadvantage and to discourage 3bets given a better price. When you open larger you incentivize people to 3bet or fold against you because they are not getting a price.
@@ahaaha8462 doesn't matter what the standard is, it matters what is correct. If everyone plays like a fish, should you also play like a fish?
@@RunItTw1ce4858 I mean if you are still getting called by weak ranges by all means open huge and slightly tight.
Like I don't know if I would have played any of the early streets like hero but that all changes if I know I can get away with it.
On the turn, hero says he's going all in on the river even if its a heart. Doesn't that mean he should have jammed on the turn instead? Why wait for a river card that can only help the opponent?
Not to be mean, but hero has a very high opinion of his play for someone that doesn’t seem to remember what he held or what came on the board.
Probably my favorite call- in.
That's like some 1/2 bs
I am guessing off the flop he has A5 of hearts and is fishing the back door sets or two pairs. Or clubs, but since they said hearts was relevant…
When the villain tables Ah4h, the only thoughts I would be having would be to either flip over the table or pull out my Glock. I can feel his pain all the way here in GA.
😂
The fact that he had a flush is one thing but A4 of hearts??? Come on man. After all of that action on the flop.
It's a overplay. Max value!
its easier to "exchange" in Yuan, Yen, crypto....etc.....
I think the main take away from this conversation for the caller is to lose the ego.
He could review to see it was a 6 not a 7 but couldn’t keep track of the suit of the queen. Thinks he’s an amazing player though. 😅
My head just exploded
He sounds like Wesley Fei!
If you put all the chips I when your Ahead then you played it right.
A4 of hearts and floats.... damn
Gambling with USD 7500 as a student, playing with only Chinese in Chinese money in the west. Arrogant.
Dude hits all the stereotype boxes lol
Bart is so result oriented although he "doesn't know the result"
How was he results oriented? And he didn't know the result, he knew the runout.
Sorry I don't think he played it perfectly. A jam on the turn would be preferable. Villain has put in so much money it's unlikely he's folding. I would feel better about getting it in with the best hand than allowing an easy river call by villain.
I played it perfectly
-Opens 6x
no 3bet on flop
perfectly? V could had Pocket QQ, 85hh, even Q4hh!? So, all streets were played perfect, except river.
Won is South Korean. Chinese is yuan (u won)
I was thinking 97
Bet 9k on turn and c/f river
be interested in hearing about your times in china
they are in TONTO LOL
That was gross
“I played it perfect” opens to 7x. Gtfo here
Brutal. Can’t listen
This guy thinks he’s too good at poker lol
pretty typical game for the chinese
Bart you’re the top dog here and imo the corrections are unnecessary.
When you correct people on “effective stacks”, people saying lead instead bet or raise instead of bet, imo it increases the chances the quality of the interaction and therefore the video go down.
I don’t know your motivations for these corrections. They are probably sometimes pure and other time status seeking.
I’m a definitions matter guy but also a marketer and a manager.
Keep up the good work
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Come on bart u can do better than that with the thumbnail. 😂