Carnage - Turbo Taxi Breaks Again!
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- Опубликовано: 8 ноя 2023
- We head out to Heathcote Park Raceway to see if Turbo Taxi can run a 10-second time but it continues to fight us. We'll be back another day.
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Forgot to mention that the race footage was courtesy of Fullboost. Thanks guys
That red F6 they featured is sweet , 9.12 on the ZF is impressive. That mark at the top of the bore on turbo taxi looks bloody strange, hope it’s salvageable.
@craigdavies69 that F6 is impressive. They did well at Drag Challenge too.
what was the time slip if you don't mind sharing ?
@@justincanny1571 we ran 11.6 at 106mph
@@justincanny1571 we ran 11.6 at 106mph
Taxi running 10's on gas is your white whale there Scotty! You've come this far man, don't give up on it, am sure many of us want to see it.
Absolutely want to see this being pushed as far as it can go on LPG. On e85 doesn't interest me as then it's just like any other friggin turbo barra. Be different, push the envelope.
Yep a 3 bar map sensor will only read something like 29 and change before it maxes out. Detonation is usually the cause of broken porcelain, the melted earth strap kind of backs up that it has been massively lean. The round mark in the bore is more than likely a ring mark from being sat so long. Remember gas tends to wash the bores so it is probably a ring mark. Will find out once you have it apart. And yes that mark at the top looks of the bore looks very sus. Can see this block heading for the bin.
Thanks to the exporters of Barra blocks to the states for thinning out the block numbers. Good work knuckleheads. Keep them in Australia, Americans have so many choices.
Its the barra mystique bro. They see us make 600 - 700 hp at a reasonable cost in Oz and think ill have that, but forget that u need deep pockets over there to get them numbers with a barra. Reliably that is....
Didn't know Zane was moonlighting as a proctologist with that "endoscopy equipment" 😂
Scotty might want to also check the hot side turbo for fin damage, those porcelain bits can do damage as they exist the engine into the turbo.
I think there is every reason to pull that engine, strip and give it a solid inspection.
If you're going to go to that extent, and whether there's a split bore or not, I'd get rid of the LPG and go E85.
While you're there ~ ultra-sound the bores and maybe think about sleeving them. Also, while you're there, bigger head-studs, and maybe a higher quality after-market oil pump.
This has been around, and it started as a bit of a low-budget joke, but we're not really low budget any more. That means big head studs, better oil pump, maybe a bottom end girdle, but don't do any of that until you've had a good critical look over the block and made sure it is one that's worth the effort & expense. This means after-market rods & pistons and much better valve-springs, and ... and now I'm telling a professional how to do his own job. The point I'm trying to make, if you pull that engine and rebuild it, go E85, then you may as well put quality rods & pistons in it and toughen it up a bit. We are past the 'hundred dollar car' idea. It's not a hundred dollar car any more, hasn't been for some time.
Let's be honest, Turbo Taxi is just the Car that keeps on giving and giving.... Scotty heaches😢😢. But its been a while without a decent bit of Carnage, can't wait for this tear down.👍👍
10 seconds on lpg always came with risks, i wonder what the peak boost actually was... it is a taxi, chem weld and back to work! 😂
Bummer! I’m surprised that you didn’t take it back to the dyno after you fixed the boost leak, but hindsight is always 20/20, I’m sure you didn’t have enough time to get it all done
We did some street tuning with it, but didn't have time for dyno
Oh man, Scotty, I'm seriously keeping my fingers crossed for you and that it turns out ok. I just want to give you a hug and get you a beer mate lol
I feel for ya Scotty. Don't give up. Best case for you is that its good content you are creating.
That looks like a LOT of heat in the combustion chamber to do that to the plugs. Could the boost leak have been protecting the engine and now that its gone, its sent it off the cliff?
Now that you're going to have to pull everything apart anyway, now's the time to throw the LPG in the bin and go E85.
LPG died and went to heaven for most a long time ago now so why persevere with it?
Love your work Scotty, hope to meet you at HPR one day!
been watching this car for years shes giving you hell all way through
Lmao SEVERE detonation judging by those plugs!
Yep way too much boost and too little fuel
Should put a pressure tester on coolant system whilst you have endo scope in the suspect cylinders, giving it a few pumps when scopes in will reveal leak source
Was going to say the same thing
So THIS is why you named the show 'Carnage'...
When I didn't see it on Saturday I was afraid something like that has happened. Really sorry to see your weekend end so early, and I think you're right - if she'd held together just a fraction longer it was on track for a 10.
All credit to you for what you've achieved so far with the LPG setup, I had one with injected gas that I never put on the strip (it was manual anyway) and I only got as far as 307rwkw and never pushed it like the Taxi has.
I've been watching the series since the first episode when you bought the poor old thing and it's been a journey. Would still love to see it do a 10 even just once. Feels like this was more of an overboost issue than an LPG issue but we'll see what happens when you open it up.
Can imagine the frustration but don't lose heart, lots of us love the car and what you've avhieved with it.
Looking forward to seeing the motor pulled down on a future episode... of Carnage.
Welp, show's certainly living up to its name... Carnage for *miles*
I feel for you Scotty. I'm confident turbo taxi will make it to a 10 pass. Fingers crossed 🤞.
Scotty looking a lot trimmer and fitter - well done brother 😊
This video explains why i didnt see you at ford v holden .... was looking for the taxi on the sat !! Dont give up on the 10's but dam that gas is a fight !!!!
Keep pushing mate awesome you can do it
FAARRRK mate, what a kick in the nuts that is! That funny squiggle line sure looked like a crack to me. That flat one is a bit odd and I hope it isn't what I think it is mate, either way I think the block is f#@ked and would make an awesome coffee table for the office.
Ahhhhh Bugger ..... :-)
In the BIN lol
Four years and the first thing I looked for…did they fix that effin brakelight😂😂 Bad luck on the head gasket. Next time.
Nope, haven't touched tail light
I could be wrong, but it seems by the end of this video, you were ready to drop a house on this taxi. The joys of trying to go fast.. You always said it's difficult on LPG, and you ain't lyin!
If she just hung in there for 2 seconds longer scotty that would have been that 10 sec pass mate.
Would be keen to see more about billet barra blocks & their machining scotty as we all know thats where we are going to end up.
Could be good PR for a few Aussie companies there mate. Cheers Rick from NZ
Yep, just needed to last one full pass. What's really annoying is we did at least 16 dyno runs. But it goes to show the duffer between dyno and track
Did you do any timed runs with the dyno or just static gear pulls?
@@wobblysauce just normal dyno pulls
Scott your not gonna like the following however that is why DYNOHUBS are an illusion, the reality is they don't account for road factors like traction pressure which causes all sorts of issues that a hub does not.
Anyway time to admit defeat and move on to petrol power, that said this E85 crap is shit, of your gonna go it time for AVGAS BOOM.
10s on LPG!!!!! keep it going, I wanna see it happen :)
Turbo Taxi still doing Turbo Taxi things! Slow clap! 👏
Commiserations Scotty, but you could do Scotty’s Endoscopy’s with that Bore Scope. Nice bit of gear.
JB Weld is in the toolbox for a reason, :) I'd sleeve it and grout fill, try using an inline pump to keep the LPG pressure constant (I've been using it for years) then run less than 68psi boost pressure. What's the chance the porcelain shattered from being quenched? If it happens that way, the valves are a good chance to be bent. What a kick to the nuts!
What sort of inline pump are you using?
@STREETMACHINETV Two genuine bosch 044. Operates when tank pressure drops or the boost hits. I have them controlled by pulse width to prevent over pressuring at light loads but it'd work fine for the drag strip going flat out. I actually don't use a vapour system anymore, just liquid to a standard injector rail with E85 flow rate injectors. No intercooler is required as the gas cools the charge. Nitrous was the first time I used the inline pump.
Easier to add a nitrous heating blanket to the bottom of the tank, it will lift lpg pressure up.
@mattt83 There's not enough energy available from a nitrous blanket to heat 70 litres of liquid gas. It'd be like trying to heat a swimming pool with a kettle. I first used the pump idea for nitrous to keep the pressure consistent, in place of a blanket. The comments from others were interesting, and that was the driving factor to make it happen. The lpg works much better and is easier to tune with liquid to the injector. When you ask 600hp of flow from a standard lpg tank, the liquid boils off, and aerated gas is what you get.
@@dinosshed how do you feed the inline pump if the tank pressure goes to low to flow out enough liquid?
Well, on the bright side, more content!
This reminds me of the scottys garage days back in the vn!! Fixed camera angles
🤣 Intro to the video "Safe tune with all the protection!" first run immediately overboost and blows the engine. Mmmm must have been the safeTy Turbo 😅
Yeah, at that point I was just relaying what I was told but I realise now that a mistake was made. It's just one of those things, shit happens. We'll fix it and go again hopefully
@@STREETMACHINETV All good Scotty! Either way it make for interesting content! But dang that is some irony.
LPG isn't a fun fuel to tune with and very unforgiving, so I am somewhat unsurprised at how this ended.
Still, I would very much like to attribute this to component failure, the fact that the MAP sensor was reading anywhere near its limit without any kind of protection kicking in raises many questions.
When I was learning to tune in my STi (many years ago), I wanted all the boost and didn't want to wait for my 4 bar MAP sensor to arrive so I bypassed some boost protections and target compensations. Was not a fun time running enough boost to blow out the spark causing it to miss at high loads, and not knowing how much I was running in the datalogs.
Safe to say I leave all the protections turned on these days and with enough meat in the tables for the compensations and safeties to start working before things max out and component data resolution is exceeded or fails.
Just one of those tuning things 🤷 Sometimes you get lucky and other times things expose failure points 😂
Keep up the amazing work Scotty! The taxi is one of the most exciting builds you have going on, at least to me 😁
I can’t believe it has been 4 years only seems like two tops
And you had a hair cut to reduce weight all for nothing 😢😢
Well, it's not called Carnage for nothing 🤷♂️ but seriously it's interesting to watch your diagnosis of the situation, I enjoy the warts and all attitude of your show.
Might have gone to nunga nunga land but it pulled a 9!
#cantstopturbotaxi
Bugger Scotty Bugger that thing was moving until.....
I like the t shirt choice. Keep on trucking
If ya have a Split bore ya certainly could Sleeve that particular Bore. Would make it heaps stronger in that bore as well
Still pretty good running them times with all the equipment, seats n stuff , some 10sec cars U see only have a roll cage inside the car U know
Geeeze it's a hard game
Well Scotty mate you really go all the way, mate, how on earth did you not know that there's was a boost leak,( when it was at the dyno, anyway i hope the block is ok and just a head gasket, but the chamber which has a horizontal line and the little crack above it does not look good, but i hope she lives again. 🚗🚗✌👌👍
Carnage on a Friday is a great way to start the day. It really sucks that this car is fighting you so badly. You're dedicated to '10's on gas', but man... I'd just do E85 and move on 😔
Neeeeeeeverrrrr!!!!
Thankfully the prices on greentops have climbed enough that you can sell that motor as-is and swap in an LS3!
Hey Scotty long time viewer but never commented 😬 is there a particular year Barra block that is known for thin walls? I have a 2012 FG I got a few years back to build. But sucks in the states getting parts and prices. I pulled the plug on it and it’s sitting under my stairs in my garage🤷🏻♂️. I love these engines. My wallet just couldn’t keep up. Someday I’d love to have it in one of my cars. But doubt will ever happen at this point. Love the videos. Keep it up. I love the sound of these engines. 👍🏼
To my knowledge there are no specific block that are known to the be thin. I believe it's luck of the draw in how much core shift they have from block to block.
Yeeahh!!!
I have a JTG lpg liquid injection system in my XR6T and I still love it. No converters, just an in tank pump and 6 Siemens injectors and $1.20 a litre.
I've got same system in my fg xr6t also. 11years 230k KMs 320rwk still goin' strong.💪
Is this similar setup ecolpi use ? I have a fgx xr6 ecolpi I’d love to covert to turbo one day with some nice rods and pistons. Not stupid power figures just a nice fun power level
@@mrDakiller101 it's liquid injection. So similar to ecolpi which I think is called an orbital system. When I was first looking to convert to lpg. The orbital system was locked and wasnt able to be tuned
on this episode of carnage scotty says that's not good many times
i had to rebuild the engine in my falcon egas ute back in march cylinder 3 lost its strap and porcelain put a hairline crack in the piston and yes its a prick of a job to do in the car took me 3 weeks of spare time still runs like a clock and no more foot meets firewall on an uphill onramp towing a 2.5t trailer when its 38c i've learned that lesson
Bit like optass😁
I jjst watched this on the roku box and after seing the scope vision i say save the block with by sleaving it and honing with new undersize pistons if the crack i seen is anything to by unless the craxk can be dremilled out and welded
I think the block is done
One thing dad told me if ya get ya car dynoed if the tuner doesn't check or read ya plugs walk away. Sorry scotty thats a tuning issue.you can tune as much as you want but the sprak plugs never lie ecu doesn't live in the combustion chamber. Heat heat heat.peace
You can't read an LPG plug as easy as you can a petrol plug. While I agree that this should have been caught during tuning, very few people in the world have experience with real high performance gas engines. But I suspect this had a boost leak that was fixed post dyno, resulting in more boost, so all the signs point to this being a Scotty whoopsie than a Zane one.
Zane doesn't tune Turbo Taxi
@@STREETMACHINETV I get confused between all the external parties. Are you saying it was just sent, not tuned? Which I could understand more than most, since I know how complicated gas tuning can be.
@@STREETMACHINETV wow shouldn't said heat. Tuning maintenance whatever 100 percent to start pointing the finger at someone nah. Ya like me scotty been around long enough to no tomorrow a another day.peace
@@SHOCKcustoms OK thanks for that. I'm terrible with names and faces, but great with remembering numbers.
I have never seen porcelain off a plug
the repair budget is rarely thought of with budget builds. very frustrating to see it broken before the goal again.
TURBO TAXI has to do 10’s on LPG!
Def's saying you have a cracked bore,also looks like number 4 piston has a crack across
Poor thing, what happened to the safeties? No boost cut? Using duty on a boost controller I've always ended up with more boost at heathcote due to the air up there. My car would hit the cut straight away when it was fine in Melbourne. Switched to target. Detonation kills plugs. Ditch the gas brother. It's good for BBQs.
Boost cut was too high
Have been dreading watching this video because Turbo Taxi 🚕 is awesome. Really, really want the car to succeed. Edited to add that I am relieved that I hadn't planned a turbo for my ex-taxi Vault. I want to see what a clueless idiot (me) can achieve with a naturally aspirated lpg car.
So fixed the boost leak, burnt the plugs out of it and lifted the head? Ouch.
woohoo
8:40: Commence "Dick Dale" style surf guitar music! Could the line in the bore be where the piston ring stopped?
I don't think so, it's too low
Scotty what have you don😜
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Sometimes you're on the cutting edge, other times you just bleed. RIP
I think it's time to let it go RIP...personal opinion, not sure how the rest of guys feel. It's getting a little old and boring, put it away divert attention and funds to the Torana or any other build I'm real keen to see the Lexus engine combo what numbers it will do on the dyno and track. You boyz already have a crazy barra (mx5) doing 8s all day everyday we don't need to see it again.
Good old Ford casting quality huh? The positive is even if the quality control wasn't great, the Barra is still one of the easiest modern engines to work on. Was a great run right up to then anyway.
Might be time to admit defeat on the LPG route and move to E85 and save some cash.
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Barra has left the chat
The issues you guys keep running into in this thing is all too familiar with my car, money pit!!
29psi. Not great not terrible.
At least 29psi, it only reads to 29psi
3.6 roentgens
@@STREETMACHINETV Scotty mate you've gotta watch a miniseries called Chernobyl - it's excellent (if pretty bloody sad) and that was a direct reference to people at the disaster using regular exposure dosimeters to try to measure the radiation coming from a reactor explosion - the dosimeters could only read to 3.6 roentgen/hour (which is high enough for alarm and precautionary measures to be taken, but not a catastrophic figure). The real figure was at least 200 roentgens per hour, as shown by another, better meter being tried and immediately pinning the gauge to max.
@@ChristopherHallett I've seen it, great series
Yep, stock 3 BAR MAP sensors only go to 29 PSI...
Yep, that was a mistake. It happens
I'm sure I saw a Crack in number 4 a fine hair line crack
Stick with the vn no1s done a 10 with a stock bottom end yet...
E85 time
Extremely hot plugs suddenly hit by coolant will have tips and porcelain part ways.
No overboost protection? Dropped the ball not having a max boost protection in place don’t you think?
It had a boost cut in place, but I'm wondering if it would have activated because it was higher than MAP sensor could read.
@@STREETMACHINETV then it should of been set to below 29lbs don’t you think?
@@STREETMACHINETV if the cut was set higher than 29lbs then absolutely it won’t work if the ecu is only being told there is only 29lbs. Did Jason know it only had the 2 bar setup?
Were the plugs pulled for inspection after the dyno run?
Yep, plugs were fine. I put new plugs and coils in it for the track outing. So anything that happened to the plugs happened at the track.
Yep, plugs were fine. I put new plugs and coils in it for the track outing. So anything that happened to the plugs happened at the track.
@@STREETMACHINETV Were the coils of the same exact part number and are they smart coils? While not knowing what is being run, I'd make sure something odd like the old coils firing on the falling edge of a pulse and the new coils firing on the rising edge of a pulse would advance timing.
@@bobroberts2371 same coils, not smart coils
Shame that running it on LPG is hard, I feel for you Scotty.. Maybe one more try or stuff it, just ditch the LPG all together!
Haha thanks for addressing how the f that you knew head gasket, literally still on ur way down the strip, i was like ???? ..yehh scotty gas beenn arrround a while. 😂
Come on Scotty, tell us! What's ur guess at psi max after seeing those plugs.
shes a fighter this one, Will. Not. Give it up!! Gas Research over ? RIP
LPG and 30 plus psi is death to a good engine ! Get rid of the lpg ! It’s hurting me to watch good motors going to an early grave from lean out and detonation. The top of that bore looks like a split . Maybe it can be sleeved ?
Taxi has really omen that's for sure think you've had the worst luck with this car out of them all.
Wasn’t this the built motor Scotty?
This was the budget motor, with a Garage hone, factory turbo pistons and aftermarket rods
@@STREETMACHINETV that’s alright then.
run some NOS with that LPG whats the worst that can happen lol ;-)
Haha
Man that car hates you like all my junk hates me. Sorry it has become your bane Scotty.
This gives me bad flash backs of 10 weeks ago when i did a very similar thing in my fg xr6t only i melted no.4 piston 😬
I was also on a heater ,could easily of been an 11.70/11.80 on only it's 250 kw tune 😳 #manual life lol
I question the thin bore excuse tbh ,mine was bored 30 thou sonic tested and is mint, machine shop was saying u can go 60 thou and still be safe (u have to sleeve it at that point though)
I follow barra shit daily, have for yrs, never heard anyone say anything about thin bores ,i reckon they're just making assumptions.
Forget making assumptions and just tear it down and find out for sure 👍
I did the same with mine and i was completely wrong with my assumptions 🤣
10 weeks later and 6500$ it's back on the road 👌
Booked in for a retune next month to remove the dodgy tunes from the idiots who tuned it originally for previous owner, protections have been set to the moon, rev limiter moved to a suspected 7k (bad on stock pistons) 6200 is max for stock pistons.
Have checked literally everything and everything checks out leaving only the tuning as the main culprit of my engine failure.
Needless to say I'll never do business with that shop and will recommend others to stay away from them.
I'm not the only one either, spoken to quite a few people who've had failures because of this shop in question, my machine shop cringed when i mentioned their name 😳
Surprising for such a well known company too...
Talk to machine shops like Dandy Engine, they toss Barra blocks all the time. You have to sonic test them. Obviously you have a good one.
If I remember correctly that was the engine that was destined to be in the Mazda, I feel like you might have dodged a bullet there given the power the Mazda is making.
yup
true however the engine if it went into the MX5 would of been E85 petrol not LPG, different heat in the head chamber/ bores, multi point fuel injection vs vapour injection.
Time for a K swap?
Of course it broke.........It’s a FORD........
Should have gone back on the dyno after the boost leak was fixed. Too much boost and too lean killed it. Not the tuners fault.
We did some street tuning after finding boost leak
Lot of people wanting to blame anyone everyone under the sun for this. Perhaps wait until the engine is pulled down and Scotty works out what went wrong?
You jinxed it by saying tunnel vision put all these safety protections into it. Apart from overboost…
It was set, but just one psi too high
My opinion
Get rid of the gas
E85 all the way
Is it even a turbo taxi episode if it doesn't include damaging an engine?
maybe try take some weight out of it get some lighter wheels. what 60 foot did it run this time around ?
60-foot wasn't brilliant but it felt like it was on a pass. Considering it rolled from 1000ft to finish.
4 yrs wow man thats before covid shit wow well from my armchair im calling the jets of the lpg and have you de-sludge the compressor i had it wen i left the car 2 yrs its got to have a new name ITS A GONNA WEN IT WANNA LOL ITS BLOWEN A SEAL NO NO HE JUST ATE AN ICE-CREAM LOL
Does NSP mean Nooooo Scotty please .. lol
Haha
Such a shame that the good engine ended up in the Miata.
Probably a good thing seeing how the most basic of safety didn't work.
I’m sure it’s possible to use LPG in a 10 second car, but gee whizz, it does seem to come with some unpleasant consequences…
Time to cut the losses with LPG mate. Its killed several engines already im sure ACP don’t have an unlimited budget for the show build something with E85 and send it
Showing your age, we have been ACP for 15 years or so
@@STREETMACHINETV ouch hahaha
It's a shame that James unlike Kerry never gave a shit about the publishing side of the business, at least with Kerry you knew where you stood, either 'fucking do it" or "fuck off" with James it was more of "if it does not make money get rid of it" also helped that Kerry was a revhead.
But alas that is another life time ago.
@@351tgv very true