Savard Hi-Q 8” Subs in Custom Box [4K]

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  • Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
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    It's about time to show an update with the Savard HiQ 8 v2 DVC subwoofers. This sub offers dual 2 ohm 2.5" coils and 500 watts of RMS power handling. It appears to be a mini monster, but how does it sound? Let's take a closer look at the custom, slot ported box and try out these subs with some real power.
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Комментарии • 501

  • @henryovalles7311
    @henryovalles7311 5 лет назад +84

    That box was made with more love than grandma's cooking wow ... great job

    • @wal
      @wal  5 лет назад +16

      You can say that again 👌

    • @sammy5443
      @sammy5443 4 года назад +2

      @@wal wood you like to sell it

  • @bondovwvw
    @bondovwvw 5 лет назад +37

    I bought some savard rap mids and tweeters from Ebay. One had a bad crossover. They replaced it no questions asked. Customer service is top notch

  • @00nutt
    @00nutt 4 года назад +3

    Man I had some Hi-Q 12's back in the late 80's. Savard is based out of Baton Rouge, la. The old man started it then went away but many years later the son brought it back and it's better than ever!!!

  • @jeffreycarroll9956
    @jeffreycarroll9956 5 лет назад +8

    Glad to see Savard back in the car audio scene. I've been a fan since the early 90s.

  • @myz06rocks
    @myz06rocks 5 лет назад +9

    Always loved 4x8s builds. Lots of enclosure flexibility and great musical performance. My favorite by far.

  • @wal
    @wal  5 лет назад +13

    Savard 8" Hi-Q Subwoofer:
    Amazon: amzn.to/2Rl13uF
    eBay: is.gd/savardhiq8ebay
    Other Savard Speakers:
    eBay: goo.gl/f2CGRf
    Amazon: amzn.to/2EYLvdN
    See my unboxing video of the Savard Hi-Q 8" subs - ruclips.net/video/ldQ6WnEe-lY/видео.html
    My Favorite Screwdriver Kit: amzn.to/2x0VzcE

    • @cubanman2009
      @cubanman2009 5 лет назад +1

      Williston Audio Labs yea boy! Happy Father’s Day brother

  • @mikekempf4366
    @mikekempf4366 5 лет назад +17

    I've always carpeted my boxes but that box looks so good it would be a travesty to cover that work of art...

  • @bigdaddychud
    @bigdaddychud 5 лет назад +2

    4 Rockford 8's in the back of my Ghia, running off a Punch 150 was the best setup I ever had. The kickdrum in Motley Crues Dr Feelgood would just shatter you, and of course some Magic Mike pounded like crazy.

  • @rmblwgn
    @rmblwgn 5 лет назад +2

    I BUILT A SIMILAR BOX LAST YEAR BUT WITH 2 :D 2 massive audio hippo 84's(identical to these, 2.5in vc) In a mdf box with 2 3" aero ports. Granted it doesn't look as cool as yours. That being said I've never heard such clean bass in my life, the lows are incredible.

    • @wal
      @wal  5 лет назад

      That’s awesome 👏

  • @91CavGT5
    @91CavGT5 3 года назад +2

    After a long time of contemplation, thanks in big part to you Big D, I ordered a single 12” HiQ. It won’t have nearly as much power, only 800 watts, but it should get plenty loud in a hatchback.

    • @wal
      @wal  3 года назад +2

      It will be plenty loud given the correct box

    • @91CavGT5
      @91CavGT5 2 года назад

      @nestor aguirre it is GREAT!! I have no regrets on buying the sub, except I should have done it sooner!! It is powered by a Down For Sound JP8 and it hits the low notes(25-35 hertz) with authority!! It will make a half empty water bottle in my cup holder do a little dance at the right frequency. But, I designed and built the box a little larger than the specs call for, and I tuned it to 28hz as well.

  • @bdc211
    @bdc211 4 года назад +2

    thats a beauty of a rig.. id have a bigger port so itd get louder, but then again, im used to working with round ports.. i have a crafty lil way of making wooden round ports... none the less, 👍👍!! your channel is fire, man!!! well done!!!

    • @wal
      @wal  4 года назад +1

      Thanks for watching and commenting!

    • @damianalbury9583
      @damianalbury9583 4 года назад +1

      would you be willing to teach the rest of the community how to make wooden round ports?

  • @03_austindrake88
    @03_austindrake88 4 года назад +2

    2.5" coils on an 8" sub is pretty awesome. They seem like decent little subs.

  • @jasonhalljaxyt
    @jasonhalljaxyt 5 лет назад +4

    I've used all kinds of subwoofer configurations since the late 80's. 4x8's was my favorite. Even though they have roughly the same cone surface area as 2x12's (a tad less), 4x8's just sound better in my opinion.

    • @erik120719
      @erik120719 5 лет назад +3

      4 8s have surface area of 3 12s or just over 2 15s. 8s r quick and these new monsters eat lows up unlike the old ones, so imo it's the best setup like u said

    • @Crushonius
      @Crushonius 2 года назад +1

      @@erik120719 no he is right you got something mixed up. if you said 4 10s then you would be about right .
      surface area is radius squared times pi do the math and you will see for yourself

    • @erik120719
      @erik120719 2 года назад

      @@Crushonius getting too technical there man, 4x8=32, 3x12=36, 4x10=40.... That's being generous since cone quite a bit smaller considering the surround makes cone smaller. Just quick reference that's all.

  • @paulespino6462
    @paulespino6462 3 года назад +1

    whoa...HiQ 8s are now $160! Great video and amazing lookin' box! Like button smashed!

  • @mr.18s73
    @mr.18s73 4 года назад +1

    Beautiful box
    Old school Bassheads for life

    • @wal
      @wal  4 года назад

      Thanks for watching and commenting!

  • @randomtube8226
    @randomtube8226 5 лет назад +1

    I like how the box fit perfectly into the space that was available 👍

  • @geraldomuniz7070
    @geraldomuniz7070 5 лет назад +1

    Got dang those things slam!!! Working on a trunk build now, 6 MA-8’s on two XTR2500.1Dz’s. Nice to see other builds featuring 8’s.

  • @CH-py8zv
    @CH-py8zv 5 лет назад +3

    That is a sweet box, would fit perfectly in my s10 truck.

  • @georgethoman82
    @georgethoman82 5 лет назад +3

    I wanna see the chaos from your closing shot of that sound stream amp sounds like a few caps let loose!

    • @stevencarlson5422
      @stevencarlson5422 5 лет назад

      G thoman ya same here would love to see what popped

  • @therobb5738
    @therobb5738 5 лет назад +1

    Perfect time for an 8 video. Ive been exploring options for what to put in my Blazer. Wanted to save some of my trunk space, so was thinking of an 8 or two.

  • @joes.7536
    @joes.7536 4 года назад +1

    I run 8’s too. I run the Skar sdr8dvc2’s. Happy with them. I’m pushing 350 to each one in a sealed enclosure. .66 box each. So great with all types of music. Sound responsive and tight. No boomynesss. I have mine separated completely. Running at 1 ohm each, each has their own Skar 350.1d.

    • @wal
      @wal  4 года назад

      👌😬👍

    • @ethanmckay5864
      @ethanmckay5864 2 года назад

      Do you still have them? Thinking about getting those exact subs ASAP

  • @flaman78
    @flaman78 5 лет назад +12

    That’s a very nice box.

    • @wal
      @wal  5 лет назад +4

      Thanks man! The Nick’s really did a great job

    • @jeffclontz3772
      @jeffclontz3772 5 лет назад +3

      Killer box indeed, love the stain job on it!

  • @gilloyola7271
    @gilloyola7271 5 лет назад +4

    Usually when metering outlaw u want to keep the side with the meter door and window closed so it builds pressure, that's probably why it metered lowered with both windows down

    • @PURESOUND4
      @PURESOUND4 5 лет назад +2

      That's what I thought too. Driver window down, passenger side closed.

  • @TuneStunnaMusic
    @TuneStunnaMusic 5 лет назад +6

    I still giggle everytime Red Foxx hits

    • @wal
      @wal  5 лет назад +3

      You and me both

    • @Darkheart617
      @Darkheart617 4 года назад +1

      🤣🤣

  • @Everett-xe3eg
    @Everett-xe3eg 5 лет назад +6

    Nice vid Big D! that tarantula scared both of us LOL! YOU BIG BIG DU DU DUMMMMY Im outta HEEEYUHHHHh

  • @blazed85
    @blazed85 5 лет назад +1

    This is more ideal for me then two larger subs. Great setup and would enjoy this more for music of all genres.

  • @notchbak
    @notchbak 5 лет назад

    Had some old skool savard 10's back in the mid to late 90's. They get down!!! And held up for a long time.

  • @PrydeWater901
    @PrydeWater901 5 лет назад +6

    Those be some impressive ochos!

  • @dcaudio1
    @dcaudio1 2 года назад

    Thanks for not posting a bunch of distorted bass.....so refreshing

  • @iamlegend81gaming
    @iamlegend81gaming 5 лет назад +1

    Savard makes good speakers had a couple in my time awesome video as always keep bringing that bass.

  • @DesigNate21
    @DesigNate21 5 лет назад +2

    Love the 8 inch woofer builds! Thinking about doing a dual 8 inch in my ride. Great video and I love the sweet sub box you had made!

    • @jonanderson4474
      @jonanderson4474 5 лет назад

      Eights always hold a small spot in my heart.

  • @joebelton2146
    @joebelton2146 5 лет назад +1

    Man I really like that enclosure!Them guys did a great job!

  • @froey198033
    @froey198033 5 лет назад

    Man those 8 inch subs aren't bad at all especially for $89.99. I've always liked Savard. Savard was the first subs I ever owned which were hand me downs. I got them in 1996 but they were bought in 1991. I had them until 2000 and I wish I never got rid of them.

  • @SmalltimR
    @SmalltimR 4 года назад +1

    Awesome demo and excellent mic work - not easy to transmit bass frequencies on a video, but you did an exemplary job!

  • @floydbeard5073
    @floydbeard5073 5 лет назад +1

    Heck yeah Big D sound good from what I can hear. The box and subs look great🤙

  • @davidlarue5713
    @davidlarue5713 5 лет назад

    Ordered one from Amazon a few weeks ago, box is done, just got to hook it up. Looks good and Vega approved, nice. Love the box too btw.

  • @Shibamilyinair
    @Shibamilyinair 5 лет назад +2

    Nice!! I always slept on 8's..but u do it right and they can put out!!!😯💪😎

  • @mrk7201
    @mrk7201 5 лет назад +1

    I like all of the work you do, those guys did a great job on that box very impressive (SOLID)

  • @eduardo13405
    @eduardo13405 5 лет назад

    I seen your last video on that savard hi-q 8 and that’s what made me get one of these. Needed to reduce space in my trunk but still wanted some bass. That’s a nice build!!

  • @VisionSandS
    @VisionSandS 5 лет назад +1

    Savard is trying to make a comeback after their tax evasion days when the current owner's father ran the show. I'm glad they're coming back again, they had some dope great back in the '90s.

  • @euphorikfay
    @euphorikfay 5 лет назад +3

    Love the setup and that box is very nice

  • @V-GunVictorVictor
    @V-GunVictorVictor 5 лет назад

    Savard, Old school! That box is awesome. Looks like those subs have a great Xmax spec.

    • @wal
      @wal  5 лет назад

      They sound fab

  • @garykuhn1921
    @garykuhn1921 5 лет назад +3

    Thanks for the Savard coverage! Subscribed.

  • @JUKE179r
    @JUKE179r 5 месяцев назад

    DJ Magic Mike FTW!!!
    Cheers from the UK! 👊🏽🤠
    🇺🇸🇬🇧

  • @Produccioneskingdom
    @Produccioneskingdom 2 года назад

    Nice subwoofers , and that box is really nice ,well build

  • @heathatkins2837
    @heathatkins2837 5 лет назад

    He'll yea! Glad 2 see the Savages are back! They where popular in my ears before I was driving, at the start of my love for car auto. I had a Rap series 15. I was told they were originally made in Baton Rouge, witch was only like 20 miles from my home town, Gonzales Louisiana. Killer to see em on the Orion amp. Always one of my most intriguing brands!

    • @devillenm5525
      @devillenm5525 5 лет назад +1

      They are still made in baton rouge.. if only they had a 10 inch hiQ it would be a no brainer who I would go with for my subs!

  • @stangarrison9561
    @stangarrison9561 4 года назад

    Love the box and those are sweet numbers for 4 8s in a musical setup.

  • @TBONESIDEOFLIFE
    @TBONESIDEOFLIFE 5 лет назад

    I'm impressed on these subs, as well as, the box. I'm going to look into these for sure.

  • @charliehodgdon3060
    @charliehodgdon3060 5 лет назад +19

    lol.... that Rockville sub being used for a table! lmao

    • @magic6947
      @magic6947 5 лет назад +8

      Cea ratted for a table use

    • @charliehodgdon3060
      @charliehodgdon3060 5 лет назад +8

      @@magic6947 its rated for 1000 lbs. CEA rated of course.

  • @iceman45ification1
    @iceman45ification1 5 лет назад

    Whoa!! That really sounds nice bro!! 😳 142db isn't too shabby at all either. I tell you, I haven't liked a sub, as much as my Savard Rap 12, in a long time. I knew they wouldn't disappoint. Great video BigD!! 👌

  • @ghostunspeakable7866
    @ghostunspeakable7866 5 лет назад

    I like that finish on the box. Up here in mich. We would have to clear coat it just to keep the weather out.

  • @markgreene9330
    @markgreene9330 5 лет назад

    Yo , THOES little 8s were bumping !!!! Good job on the build too ...keep up the good work ...

  • @yadiramontelongo3895
    @yadiramontelongo3895 3 года назад

    I really enjoy these . Trying to get some from my first new but used car... Thanks for the vid.

  • @erosvinsol6725
    @erosvinsol6725 5 лет назад +4

    I love the box man, but you should really list what the complete cost of a set up like this might run someone who is starting out and would like a nice set up of what your displaying.

    • @JosephQPublic
      @JosephQPublic 4 года назад

      Why? If you’re interested in it, do some leg work and find out yourself. Don’t be lazy.

  • @jeffferguson378
    @jeffferguson378 5 лет назад

    That box looks well built, only thing is I may have chamfered the backside of the sub holes to let the subs breath better. It's pretty thick for that little sub. Great video 👍

  • @homixide187
    @homixide187 5 лет назад

    That's a sweet box and good numbers on SPL too. Cant wait to see you test the hifonics 35th colossus amp

  • @illegalregal9577
    @illegalregal9577 5 лет назад

    Love that box! Look like the Savards are gettin' it too!

  • @southboundtp2067
    @southboundtp2067 5 лет назад

    4 8's BEATIN' the block 😎👌🏽

  • @TheDanguruss
    @TheDanguruss 4 года назад

    That box is sick

  • @motoman22atgmail
    @motoman22atgmail 5 лет назад

    I switched from Kicker to Savard in the late 90s, they have always been at the very top of SPL abilities.
    Still have one HIQ15 and one HIQ10 that I barely used ...and an early Rap 15 (without a vented coil) that I beat to death more than once snapping leads. Revived it and ready to go anytime.
    I'm half tempted to send them to you as a gift to do a comparo.

    • @wal
      @wal  5 лет назад

      That’s awesome 👏. Love to hear these old stories

    • @bondovwvw
      @bondovwvw 5 лет назад

      Kicker is just loud with 0 sound quality.

    • @devillenm5525
      @devillenm5525 5 лет назад

      Why do they not offer a hiQ 10 inch now!? I check the sit regularly to see if they are just out of stock but even if i google them i get nothing! Such a shame!!!

  • @JesseJames83
    @JesseJames83 3 года назад

    beautiful box and great sub choice

  • @mrupholsteryman
    @mrupholsteryman 5 лет назад +1

    When I first got into car audio...my buddy had a couple of Radio Shack 8 inches in the back of his 69 Superbeatle facing up in the window. That thing was thumping pretty good! Sealed box. Then I saw a first gen RX7 with 4 8's in an upward facing box. Also impressive!
    I like the quick response of s smaller speaker for accuracy. And less room taken up...

  • @michaelfessenden8601
    @michaelfessenden8601 5 лет назад +1

    Nice looking box big D . I like the roasted finish.

  • @GanG914
    @GanG914 5 лет назад

    I love small beefy speakers and trunk setups so two thumbs from me.

  • @sikrandall83
    @sikrandall83 5 лет назад

    That is a really reasonable price for what looks to be a damn decent little sub

    • @wal
      @wal  5 лет назад

      I think so too

  • @jeremykoonce8420
    @jeremykoonce8420 5 лет назад

    BIG D. WIZ THOSE 4 8 INCH SUBWOOFER'S SOUND AWESOME

  • @fishpony1211
    @fishpony1211 5 лет назад

    Nice speakers but that box is off the hook!!!! These guys did great work!

    • @wal
      @wal  5 лет назад +1

      Absolutely 100%

  • @timmturner
    @timmturner 5 лет назад

    What a quality box and pulling 143 dB with 4 8" subs is not bad at all.

  • @jamesoswald9048
    @jamesoswald9048 5 лет назад

    Been looking at the savard hi-q line for a few months. I think they did good and they're one of very few "american" companies! Thanks for the vid big d.

  • @303nitzubishi4
    @303nitzubishi4 5 лет назад +1

    Sweet enclosure, it was cool of those guys to hook U up. Looks like great quality! I hate to be negative but the sequoia Is bo-ring! If you're going to have some custom stuff built, gratis or otherwise, can't you send them measurements for the hot rod? I'm sure anything that will fit in the old Ford will fit in the Sequoia, Accord, even the excab of the ranger for testing purposes

  • @moto9968
    @moto9968 4 года назад

    Daaaang those little subs are boomin. Great song choices btw.

  • @kentuckyblugrass
    @kentuckyblugrass 5 лет назад +3

    That box is beyond gorgeous. Can you entertain the "Round-a-Bout" price you paid for the enclosure?

    • @mcf3778
      @mcf3778 5 лет назад +1

      Advertising and a bearclaw

  • @MrBigR928
    @MrBigR928 3 года назад

    Box is sweet😍 Those 8's are pretty nice, especially for the price👍🏿

  • @markphilpot4981
    @markphilpot4981 5 лет назад

    These were small subs, but very fast and in that box, oh yeah! I expect that bass to be quick and responsive. Pretty loud for 8s. They are not usually loud. How about four 10s and same brand? I like that box build! Very nice work. Might improve with some Lizard skin treatment, two coats on the inside for dampening and one coat on the outside. Just a suggestion! 😁💖

  • @phillipbainbridge9107
    @phillipbainbridge9107 5 лет назад

    This definitely has my approval sir! Very nice!

  • @adam_1dizon121
    @adam_1dizon121 5 лет назад

    very nice box and subs.. i love 8's they can produce with the right box and power.

    • @wal
      @wal  5 лет назад

      Thanks brother 👌

  • @elitegalaxy4042
    @elitegalaxy4042 2 года назад

    They sound awesome sir

  • @yellawoods32207
    @yellawoods32207 5 лет назад

    I came for the quick look at the R.F retro build you always show a clip of.and the rest of the video is nice too.seaeching site now if they have bigger sized subs

  • @JustEnufCustoms
    @JustEnufCustoms 5 лет назад

    The box is really nice and good numbers on the 4 8's

  • @thisguysnameismatt4460
    @thisguysnameismatt4460 5 лет назад +1

    Ive been checkin out your vids, they are cool. Idea: test some of the old skool subwoofing using 6×9s, but with new tech 6x9s , enclosures and amps. (Back in the day before xcroosovers were cheap and more available, even before amps. Power boosters and power eq's ruled , basically setting all the bands all the way down except for the last 2 or3 bands for bass., it worked...kind off...lol

  • @toddcoleman5388
    @toddcoleman5388 5 лет назад

    That is a killer set up.

  • @hitek835
    @hitek835 5 лет назад

    Wow Savard is still around? Cool!

    • @wal
      @wal  5 лет назад

      Yessir, Bill's son Will is running the business now. We interviewed him on 12V Talk a few weeks ago. See it here or search for the podcast on your phone (Google Play, Spotify, Apple Podcasts)- 12V Talk Episode 41: Will Savard from Savard Speakers - ruclips.net/video/3jjkH7Yctms/видео.html

  • @alfa7108
    @alfa7108 4 года назад

    Super sweet. Nice setup

  • @1rexrex
    @1rexrex 5 лет назад

    Very nice box. Speakers performed great.

  • @ruffnrede2
    @ruffnrede2 5 лет назад

    Great looking box and the subs seam to do very well I'm in the market for some small subs. Great job as usual Big D

  • @theloveforvintagehifi8642
    @theloveforvintagehifi8642 5 лет назад +1

    Wish one u think is better this or the 8Rockville

  • @ericbachmann8037
    @ericbachmann8037 5 лет назад +1

    Considering they have an SPL (efficiency/sensitivity) rating of 78db, those numbers are pretty impressive. They are highly inefficient !!!!! Even their 12” model is only rated 85db. That’s a very inefficient subwoofer.
    Another great video Big D !!!!

    • @niro56
      @niro56 5 лет назад

      You don't know much about subwoofers do you.

    • @ericbachmann8037
      @ericbachmann8037 5 лет назад

      Nah, I’ve only been installing and building subwoofer boxes for that past 30 years.

  • @MrTnf666
    @MrTnf666 5 лет назад

    Looks really good. Bet even sounds better.

  • @edud8452
    @edud8452 5 лет назад +2

    Those 8s are slammin BIG D!😎👍

    • @wal
      @wal  5 лет назад

      Back glass in Sequoia May be more fragile than expected 😱

  • @bigbadrob3344
    @bigbadrob3344 5 лет назад

    As usual, fantastic content sir. Keep it up

  • @HamiltonMechanical
    @HamiltonMechanical 5 лет назад +1

    i dig that box, got too many tools in the back of my sequoia for that many subs though, gonna have to settle with the single 10 for now lol

  • @MOBAudioUSA
    @MOBAudioUSA 4 года назад

    Looking good and looks like it sounds really good too!

  • @downhilldaddy9346
    @downhilldaddy9346 4 года назад +1

    Sweet box! Those 8’s really bang! Where can I get a quote for a box?

  • @jamest.5001
    @jamest.5001 5 лет назад

    I don't know how I missed this!!

  • @Nickword1
    @Nickword1 5 лет назад

    That box is sexy as hell! You should do two builds. 1 old school with some of your old Orion or Fosgate amps. Then another with more modern gear. Test each car out and see which sounds better old or new. Cause i seen videos here on youtube of people doing 150's DB back in the 90's!

    • @wal
      @wal  5 лет назад +1

      They used mics back then which according to Wayne Harris of dBDrag can be as much as 8dB higher than the pressure sensors

  • @macknight1881
    @macknight1881 4 года назад +1

    Damn now I know you old savard is at least 25 years old I'm from baton rouge Louisiana where they're from

    • @04titanss
      @04titanss 4 года назад +1

      Closer to 33-34 years.
      Had a pair of there 12’s back in 87

  • @thenotoriousrvh6091
    @thenotoriousrvh6091 5 лет назад

    Your SPL variance was good thing, higher SPL with all doors closed vs open means you didn't have any wave cancellations 👍.

  • @1boostup
    @1boostup 5 лет назад +1

    So what happened to the Soundstream amp at the end of video?? lol !!

    • @wal
      @wal  5 лет назад

      She came, she saw, she got blowed up 🔥

  • @kaamiljahmezjaanfoster5795
    @kaamiljahmezjaanfoster5795 5 лет назад

    Bro that’s a good set up. I need 3 in my 2001 7 series.

    • @wal
      @wal  5 лет назад

      Get you some!

  • @echadmiyodea
    @echadmiyodea 5 лет назад

    Derick, I think a lot of people really like this box. Would you mind putting it on a scale and tell us what the whole thing weighs? A lot of us are old and consider having to lift the box, which is one of the reasons for leaning towards the 8's.

    • @echadmiyodea
      @echadmiyodea 5 лет назад

      Or maybe have a contest to have us guess the weight, and who is closest to actual.