SIZE MATTERS!! 118mm turbo is TOO BIG!!!
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very informative video, exactly what i was looking for
Do a compound turbo build
You should use xona rotor! Boost down low and up top all the way through!!
Hopefully it’s vs racing’s new 94mm
Did you race the car in the quarter
Nre turbos are nice
Precision turbo xpr 94
fuck it, im quoting you.
This is a big chu-chu boi. -John Doc
Use both and compound them? Little feeding big.
A smaller A/R Exhaust on the 118 would've probably solved the problems. But it's too late for that now lol. Ball bearing billet wheel 94 with a 1.32 up next?
118 is to big regardless on that motor. 94, 98, 100 have all put guys in the 7s for over 15years. Now guys are going faster with a single 88. Just look at the rules in X275. Single 88mm is all you can run and guys are well into the 6s and on the low side of mid 4s in the 1/8. If you have a good quality turbo from precision or Garrett there's No reason for that turbo on his setup in any shape or form. Went low 7s with sbf with a 100mm turbonetics 17years ago. Good friend of mine and very well known engine builder Anthony Disomma went 6s @200+ with just 106mm when he first brought out the 04 cobra and that was more then 14 years ago. I was lucky enough to own his old car for awhile after the new one was finished.
There's just no reason for a turbo like that regardless what you do to it on his current setup. He's right here bigger doesn't always mean better. Maybe if he had the motor to go with it but he just doesn't right now. That and turbos are some much more efficient now then years ago. Besides if your a grudge racer you don't want a giant turbo on the front of the car.
@@waynebollentin989 agreed
Wayne Bollentin what cubic inch was your motor though..
@@The_StreetSweeper it was small 347 with Trickflow R heads. Anthony's first motor in the 04 was about 428 sbf with Brodix BF202. I could be little off on motor size was like 14 or 15 years ago.
Next turbo garret gtx55 or a forced inductions BW 88/100. Funny you look at the boost controller then look back forward and get ready to let off the brake, done the same thing a few times lol.
TWIN 80'S ...DONE!
A 102mm with big hotside would prob be the best choice.. Its like a mod to the 88 turbo.
That PT 118mm could’ve worked nicely... Different Cam, Converter, little more aggressive on the the tune up would’ve helped a ton. Bunton runs the same setup (427, TFS 245s, w/ a 118) If you were burning M1 would help ALOT too with the additional exhaust energy to get that turbine moving and all. In reality though, the 96mm is wayyy too small for that many cubes, I’m running Twin 100mm turbines on mine lol.
One of those several thousand HP builds.
Use the small turbo to boost the big turbo
FI GTR55 98mm
Wouldn’t twins of the smaller turbo be a solution?
My vote, a Gen2 pro mod 98. Since you're in with precision, I bet that's what you got or their new 88mm. I use the same boost controller, but it's always on. Even in the burn out. However, I have a 10-15psi peak @10sec out. This way, when I stage it has a very small jump from there to launch pressure...and it never hits that part of the ramp during the run
Interesting video Jon, I actually learned something
Compound them
Should have just made a compound setup. Best of both worlds
A compound setup on a pushrod v8? Dumb!
JoshW817 why is that dumb? It’s obvious you’ve never put a compound system together or you wouldn’t have made the statement that you did. Mikethecarpenter is 100% correct with what he said. I’ve designed and ran three different compound setups and I couldn’t imagine driving a vehicle without it.
Mirror Image turbos has a computer-controlled valve actuated diaphragm built into the AR section of the turbo. Are they letting go of the patent so other companies can get it or what?
this would look nice in miata
Well uh...me and my dad been tryna make a TWIN 106 mm turbo 1960 falcon for 2 years we’re racing it now and fastest we’ve gone is 4.21
compound
John Doc whats the setup on that car trans electronics suspension?
Why not build a compound setup and have the best of both? That would be an awesome build, and great for your channel!
You guys should try the new 94mm promod clone from VSRacing (changed the site name to turbo4less.) Where Matt from SloppyMechanics gets a lot of his turbos and stuff. The new turbo they just released is a Billet wheel 94mm/113mm T6 with a 1.24 A/R, full triple ball bearing center section. I think that thing would rip on the Boosted Rooster or any of the cars really.
Ow yes all that turbo noise is perfect 👌🏻 🤤
Nitrous guy? Keep it up bro. Always leaving likes and watching whole videos. Choo Choo
What happens if u put both on there
go with the 98mm?
John what size turbo would you put on a 5-3 LS in a truck with 42 inch mud tires on it
98mm
Bullseye powered turbo next?
you bought a garrett gtx 5020R gen 2
Question. Is single turbo better than twin for a ls engine?
I see a twin setup!!!
So, you could of tried bleeding of the line pressure on you tyranny to loosen up you converter with the 118. Or twin 72mm .. just a thought.
That big ol’ 118 needs cubic inch to turn that bitch like a big block! Make some giddy up like 2200hp 😬
Almost 60k bro keep it up
Great video
for those inquiring about a/r: ruclips.net/video/zRLbrLC5VOQ/видео.html
; a 118mm turbo is literally twice as big (ok, 1.9x) as a 85mm. You need a jet engine to spool that thing
You should do a sequential set up!
billet wheel 98
Precision billet pro mod 96mm
George Mitchell yeah if the 85mm was close, the 96 would be perfect. Going to 118 suggests they don’t understand how math works, or a turbo curve.
I really hope it is the promod 91 turbo
Brilliant turbo and would be great on you set up
run both, use the bigger one to feed the little one, lol.
How much gate pressure were you putting on the 85? They usually ain’t done till you pin them shut.
go back to and 80-90mm wes called u the other night when i was up there. i got the coupe from him. good luck with the rooster. the civic is already fixed :)
I’m building the black wolf likes to eat black sheep
This is why i watch your channel. Not because of the topic of this video. There was one comment you made. "Turn your boost controller off in the burn out box" 😂 brand new th400 setup in the car and i don't think i would of ever thought about that
Are you getting a 98mm turbo?
g57 3000?
I want that 85mm turbo for my 505 stroker BBC
That's when you use the 85 to compound The 118
Harts turbo 98
Does anyone now a good turbo hp size for a 460 ci ford engine gas v8
Pretty sure my turbos are too large.. don't make boost till 2nd gear, get a whooshy air noise from the turbos at shift (not the bov) and are slow to respond..
But... I get off the line without spinning, I like the sound, my backpressure is low and my iats stay within 15 degrees of Ambient after an 8psi pull.
what about compound? run a smaller turbo to spool the bigger turbo
118mm Turbo cost?
Someone please find the cowmaro wheel please I miss that car
Your telling me
@@JohnDoc John could you not twin charge one of the Chicken's! Will either of those sweet turbo's work on my 1.4 turbo 150 ps Vauxhall Astra as it is slow compared to any of your cars, I am not sure if I have a boost controller i don't even get any blow off valve noises with all the power we are allowed in the UK
@@mclarenjohnf1 Neither of those turbos would work, a 1.4 is way too small to spool either of them
@@JohnDoc you know some ups guy needed that for his build
I would like to see one of the bird with a f1x procharger instant ecerything.
What size turbo would you recommend for a Lsx 441 ?
would doing a compound turbo setup with those two be better?
What kind of power results come from running a larger turbine wheel over a smaller a compressor wheel and vice versa? Im asuming ones for more torque and helps with sooner spool and another is more HP oriented and for longer RPM range and power band but which is which and i know A/R has alot to do with it. I was looking at a 81mm turbine with a 74mm compressor and another with a 69mm turbine and a 74mm compressor and they are rated for almost the same power. Also the 88mm is like a 1.10 A/R i believe and the 69mm is a .90 or .91 A/R. But the 88mm is more expensive. Like 300 bucks more... And both are t4, H port and not ball bearing. Would the 88mm with the smaller hot side be better for top end and the 69mm with a larger hot side be better for low end? Thanks. Subbed after seeing this video also.
I know the guy who had plan b on street outlaws built an all billet LSX and he said he was planning on putting out over 3000hp to the ground from that engine
TONED!!
Nice videos just subbed 👍
Were else can u find a cow a rooster and a chicken all on a ls nasty diet to stay toned
Just compound it with a large low pressure turbo feeding the small high pressure turbo. You will have max boost from start to finish.
Probably a promod 91 with 1.24 ar for the next combo.
I knew that sucker was forsale since the first post on fb about the trans line blowing lol
ill be PMing you on FB about a few things I need done that you and the rpm team might be able to help with!
Go 1/4 with the 118 that boost up top will make you fly lol. That thing is Massive !
107mm is what the boosted one runs on his set up and it seems to spool up and work very well and he makes almost 1500hp with a stock LS7 intake manifold I say twin promod 88s and if you added nitrous to spool the 118mm turbo it wouldn't be dual power adder when you're using it just to spool
Check out the boosted one's channel he's got a 107mm turbo but I hope you put a LSX 454 with twin promod gen 2 ball bearing 88s or a little bigger but everyone else is building 427 cid LS motors I want to see a 454 LSX on boost of some sort either twins or one big one like a 102 or bigger or a crank driven F3-143 or F3-136 Procharger
hey Mr.Jon u should and need 2 put wheelie bars on the boosted rooster since it makes alot of good power
He's got his own video playing in the background. :D
#uphimselfmuch
Borg s480 billet wheel next turbo?
Only way to get 118 to spool is either COMPOUND or NOS
I have a 5.3 that I'm putting in my truck, well I don't know what size turbo can I use to make about 800hp?
You need to compound both those turbos. Just add a big one when you want more top end, its more simple than people make it sound.
But will it chooch?
So you going to give that 85mm turbo away? Asking for a friend.......
That's typical because most roosters are kind of finicky anyways. Got to find their sweet spot. Keep on keeping on Mr. Doc
Could you have tried a smaller back housing
I could have but it was just way to big for the setup
Crazy your out of steam with the 85mm, see so many cars running smaller turbos running high 7 's low 8's in the 1/4 , could you just change the gearing to load the turbo more?
George Mitchell bet he is out of turbine on the 85mm. That compressor will flow way more than the turbine can handle on a 427
After talking to him had a lot to do with his 427 that’s a great turbo for a 370
James Brown yep a 427 will choke up that 96mm turbine really quick. Back pressure through the roof
Okay, I have a question for you Turbo wizzards...
I have always ran Big Cubic Inch nitrous setups (in TD and TS). But now, I'm on the bandwagon and starting a turbo build! So everyday I'm learning new shit.
With his 427 running out of steam on this size turbo, how much does compression effect the whole situation??
He said the rooster is just a 10.1 setup, if he were to run the compression up to 14.1 or 15.1, would it push more air and be able to keep building boost and power? Or would it still "run out of steam" like it was already?
Charley Betts high conpression would help spool the bigger turbo better it would hurt the smaller one even more.
Does that 118mm turbo work for my SRT-4?
Garrett GTX5544R GEN II ?? 102mm
Precision 88mm?
So I have been worried that a billet 80mm or 88mm would be to large for a stock bottom 6.0 with cam and 3000-3600 conv.and 3.73-4.10 ratio in a street driven 69 C-10 .
I would rather experience a little lag versus not being able to take same turbo to a better setup later.
Where do I start?
@@jbsgarage8260
That's what I was hoping.
I am just not familiar with the prerequisites for a turbo build, all of my experience when racing were N2O Big Blocks in the late 80's and early 90's. So I'm second guessing most of my choices on turbo, cam and converter.
Leaning towards VS Racing's 80mm billet 96x88 Dual Vband 1.30AR unit. If that's a bad thing someone tell me quick!
Brian Tooley Racing (sp) seems to be pretty well regarded in LS circles so probably whatever they recommend,probably towards the radical side due to not being overly concerned about perfect streetability. Converter depends on final trans decision. Currently have 80e but considering a Power glide since I've never had a problem with those before. So manufacturer's recommendation for either probably in the 3600 rpm range and most likely a billet unit.
In other words a never ending project with never ending fun guaranteed.
I have 4 sons so it's as much about hanging out with my kids as it is a mid life crisis...
Here's the choice for turbo, most likely unless I go up to the 88mm wheel!
turbo4less.com/product/vsr-80mm-billet-t4-96x88-dual-v-band-1-30ar/
PS, love yer songs....
If I had to guess next turbo..I’ll say somewhere between 98mm n 106mm
Turbonetics 91/106 is perfect for your car.
Looks like you just sold the perfect compound turbo setup for your car!
Compound boost setup??
Can you find one in between?
not sure what boost controller you have and if you have this feature or not. im sure the turbo is still to big but does your controller have a boost builder function so you can get up on the 2 step easier?
We added timing down low to act as that. Turbo is just way to big
Hmmm... I wonder if pulling it would have worked a little better. I know most boost builders like I run in my holley its setup to pull 10-15 degrees to spool the turbo harder on the 2 step. I agree it was probably too big. Was just some thoughts I had. Keep the good work!
The turbine is too big. Compressor is fine.
Hell i bet if you put a small turbine on there you'd probably explode the engine with 60 psi all-while keeping that huge compressor.
If it ain’t a Jose FI s488 it ain’t shit😝
Is it possible to run a compound setup on a race car? I'm a diesel truck guy and they will it on a truck
@Driver 1967 yes. Can't a compound be run into the intake?
@Driver 1967 powerstroke and duramaxs are v8s and they run compounds.
@Driver 1967 no they run two turbos. a small and a big the 6.4 powerstroke had compound turbos, sort of. it is possible to do it on a gas v8. if it is viable i don't know.
stock 2jzs have compounds.
@Driver 1967 no there's not enough room for that the exhaust gasses from each side goes into the smaller turbo then to the bigger one and the bigger one takes in the cold air and pushes it to the smaller one and then through the intercooler they do have a triple set up two smaller turbos to light even a bigger one that what you'd use on a compound set up
compounded turbos?