Well since odds are there's overlap between the keys, then even if you lose one, then others cut close will still work due to the poor tolerances built into the lock itself.
@@eak125 That is the exact reason this tryout set works. This lock has far more than 256 possible keys, it's just that the tolerances are so loose that each position only needs to be approximately correct.
@@eak125 I don't think so actually. These keys are deliberately designed to mimic the majority of kwikset keys. As LPL stated, each key is designed to approximate several kwikset key cuts. The way this would likely be achieved is by grouping similar key cuts and then making a specialty key for that grouping. Losing a key means losing that grouping. If a different special key could open one of the same locks, it's because both keys shared a kwikset cut. The reason there are so few keys in the video is because it is inefficient to make keys that would overlap and open the same lock. They would be too similar and therefore only open similar cuts, and you could open a wider variety between them by changing them to be more distinct so that they don't open the same locks.
@@creaturedanaaaaa The lock has 1-6 bitting depths with 5 bittings. This eliminates 4 depths in each position which eliminates close to half of the possible combinations. No 0-7-8-9.
Well expliting someone's nearby house would be real easy. Walk on up, in the iddle of the night or during mid-day and when nobody is looking, try ten keys. Do this for every house you want to target using this smart key system. Repeat once or twice daily until success. A long-con for sure, but done quickly enough per-day you wouldn't be caught doing anything wrong.
Just wait in a car with a long lens on a camera, take a close up picture of the key as it's used by the resident, then match the photo to one of those keys in the comfort of your own home. Then, just use the one that works the first time.
Eric Hansen well... mathematically on paper there could be millions of possible combinations, but physically that can’t always be done. And of course they’re trying to sell locks 🤷🏼♂️
Kwikset keyways have 5 pins with 7 possible cut depths on each pin. If you do the simple math, that is 16,807 possible keys. However, you cannot use that entire space because of how the mechanics of locks work, so you must reduce it. (The locksmiths call it MACS). When you subtract out the MACs, you are left with about 10,000 possibilities. However, the tolerances of these locks aren't that tight, so even 10,000 is an overestimation because a "close enough" cut on a key will usually work. So I do not find it odd that a chain of 256 keys would open most KW1 locks.
”Covert entry types? Ah yes, you must be talking about me! Yes, it is I the covert entry type, so incredibly covert with bag filled with what is absolutely not very loud and rattling keys! Oh wait.”
It's probably not a cheater key but a construction bitted lock, commercial builders buy huge sets of locks each set has a construction key and a user key, once owner uses there key it disables the construction keys, or the locks could be master keyed which would require rekeying to remove the master key from each lock. Just an added detail, that construction bulk set could be set to one construction key but different owner keys per set for a building/house.
Yeah, go to your local box store and match the single digit number among boxes of door locks, usually one thru nine, and you have the keys that will unlock most of the doors in the neighborhood of freshly built houses. Scary, isn't it. I've upgraded all of my door locks to something that didn't come from a big box store.
My old complex used quickest and an inexperienced person like me could pick those kwikset locks in 4 to 7. I only know this because a couple of my neighbors got locked out a on occasion.
The number of try-out keys needed is the square root of the number of differs the lock has. In 1935 Briggs and Stratton supplied a 'sidebar' cylinder for GM automobiles etc. These had 6 tumblers with four depths giving 4096 theoretical differs. These were harder to pick than usual. Someone developed 64 tryout keys for locksmiths etc to get into GM automobiles with a 80% success rate. Possibly the failed to operate newish cylinders. The success rate was improved slightly by making the cuts nearer the tip of the key very slightly shallower which compensated for wear. Presumably tryout keys for SmartKey are attractive as these cylinders are claimed to be bump proof. Interestingly, although the average pin tumbler cylinder has 10 possible key depths, manufacturers and locksmiths use only alternate depths for masterkeying as the chance of a wrong key operating the cylinder is too great if all 10 depths were used. Seems some makers have given up in 10 depths and use 6 depths only because all 6 depths can be safely used for masterkeying and allows a larger system than 5 depths.
They need not try all 250 keys at once. Patience is key (pun intended). imagine someone casing a place and over the course of several days, at different times, they bring a few sets of these and tries them. Eventually, they'll find the key that works and can come access that door anytime at their leisure.
"Now, Naked Beekeeper claims that their method of security is an improvement over normal methods, but it has what *I* believe to be an inexcusable flaw."
@@coladict Most humans have huge inhibitions to kill other humans. That's why most murders are caught: the police knows there is most likely reason and therefore some kind of relationship between murderer and victim, which they will look for.
Or the Lost & Found office at Tokyo Disneyland. They literally have hundreds of public transport IC cards in their collection that people have lost, but they took less than 30 seconds to find the exact one that my wife lost (I verified it because it had the next number up from my card, which I still had). So if your house gets broken into in a few minutes with these keys, it may have been someone from the Lost & Found office at Tokyo Disneyland...
School janitor chiming in, BFE rural Montana, we have mastered primus cores on 90% of our doors. Also a short handful of KW1 and Sargent. Oh and the fantastic master padlocks. Plus an RFID keyfob for entry.
Haha, it occurs to me that in every LPL video I've seen someone comments, "LPL picks locks faster than I can open them with the key." Seems to me LPL is just out of practice with keys 😉
@@johnsimun6533 as a highschool student, I used to pose as school IT to gain access to the server room, so I would wear a bunch of bump keys on my waist. It actually helped so people didn't question me.
@@thetwitch6667 ye I know the feeling. Once I had to open a server door that was locked. Fortunately a paperclip was enough(hurt myself in the middle tho)
Thief 1: "Okay, we're here. Quick, pick the lock before someone sees us!" Thief 2: "Sure thing!" * pulls out a HUGE pile of keys from bag * Thief 1: ....
I kept waiting for him stop the time lapse and go, "This is stupid." *click,*click "And now it's open. You could buy $400 worth of keys or spend 3 seconds and pick it."
@@51-FS Just a note on that video: While it was certainly true at the time of filming for that attack to be possible, Kwikset has since made some design revisions that both LPL and BB have remarked about, increasing the difficulty of picking. LPL has done some videos in the past explaining that, due to an upgrade in the sidebar design profile, regular methods for tension are futile, thus resorting to using a shim pressing directly on the sidebar (Video 904, also worth noting it's a 5:27 min long video); BB then in a more recent video as part of his treasure chest series (Video 1533 Lock #8), explains that due to another upgrade in the profile, even that attack won't work and he had to resort to shear luck to open that particular Kwikset.
The more of these I watch, the more I realize that pretty much all locks are useless. They only keep the honest out, the real thieves will find a way in without too many issues.
Not too bad of a price if you consider how pick resistant those locks can potentially be. For a locksmith, that $400 initial expense can reap dividends over time for non-destructive lockout calls.
If this was't 4x speed while trying the keys, I could have finished my waffles before the end of this video. This was almost a LockPickingLawyer movie compared to most.
When I was in high school, I bought a Mercury Monarch that turned out to be the same key code as our city's fleet of police cars. Don't ask me how I made this discovery, or what I did once I had that knowledge.
I don't find the 1284X truly useful very often but it sure is a hoot to show off when I get a chance. "Nice to have met you Office Jones. I appreciate you taking time for to chat with me. Before I go, would you like to see something interesting?"
Police car manufacturers offer the option of like keying all the cars in a fleet buy. I doubt that a key code used for a like key fleet buy would also be used in a civilian car.
@@Dave-in-MD Keyed-alike is a prevalent security issue. The 1284X is Ford's standard fleet key but the remaining cuts don't matter so a "civilian" vehicle could still be populated with a lock and key that would operate a fleet lock; also, many fleet cars are retired to taxi duty or auctioned so a LOT of those keys are in the wild. Check out Sgt. Payne and Dev's talk "This key is your key..." for some fun material.
@@aserta It's probably not even based on that, but on having one halfway-cut to work on two factory cuts. Kwiksets are 1-2-3-4-5-6, so one could make a (1-2)-(3-4)-(5-6) system of only three cuts to replace the six. For a five-tumbler key, that's 6⁵ (ignoring that no two tumblers can be more than four different) or 7776, but if there are only three actual heights required due to half-depth cuts, then 3⁵ is 243, which looks an awful lot like the numbers cited for the total keys in the set. One further contributing factor to the exploitation of the Kwikset system is that their key pins do not have a particular orientation, so the shear-line cut uses the same beveled-edges on the pins as the key-side. This makes for a ramp to help push the shear line into position even when it's imperfect. A simple way to reduce the likelihood that a kwikset lock will be openable with this exploit is to assemble the lock using aftermarket keypins, pins that are unidrectional for being installed, with clear ends intended for interfacing to the keys and clear ends with harsh corners for the shear line. That makes it harder for a half-height cut to align properly.
@@hamjudo I cut Kwikset keys myself, for myself. There are five pins on traditional kwikset, six cuts per pin. No two adjacent pins can be further apart than four positions. There are also six-pin Kwikset variously marketed as Titan and Ultramax, and a seventh depth is introduced, technically making for more combinations.
@@TWX1138 Your first paragraph is exactly right, I don't believe there is any such thing as aftermarket pins for smartkey locks. They don't even use pins in the traditional sense.
It would have been interesting to see a visual comparison between the key that was used to set the lock and the key that ended up working, to see just how loose the tolerances really are on those kwiksets.
So what you're saying is, if I want to keep an experienced picker out of my house, I should leave a massive pile of nearly identical keys outside my door.
There's something about that guy I don't like. Seems fake and not genuine. Maybe because he totes the high minded science theme but has a bible verse at the end of his videos.
@@24framedavinci39 I understand what you mean, but I don't see Destin in that light. I see him as someone that finds things he enjoys or is interested in, and then learns all he can in a short period of time and records it so he can share his new knowledge with the world. The Bible verse, he's religious, and he's not throwing it in your face, he's got it at the very end of the video and it's just the book, chapter, verse. It's just the location, not the actual passage. I've never looked any up, I don't know if they are like the verse that inspired him to learn more about whatever he learned in the video or if it's just the verse of the day on his daily calendar. But it doesn't bother me. Now, I do like Destin, but his videos generally don't resonate with me. I don't think it's him or the content, more I think it's his pacing of content delivery doesn't really work for me. Veritasium is similar. The Vsauce channels I'm neutral towards the hosts but their method of content delivery just doesn't work for me most of the time.
I think another great benefit of this method which was not mentioned is that, once you find the key, you now literally have the key to that lock, so if you've got a reason to repeatedly enter such place, or even just a second time at a more busy hour, this method is literally your only option vs. picking
I have try out sets for a number of old cars makes and years. I amassed large quantities of locks and ignition switches and figured they were sale-able if they were keyed. The shocking part was most try out sets were comprised of around 120 keys. You would find a particular era only utilized maybe 40-50 of those combinations. And there were a handful far more popular (more frequently used) than others.
When I was in the SF Bay Area doing card key and cameras I had a ring of keys, 300 or so. Sometimes we had to get into something and didn't have a key so The Ring came out and, Lo, it worked sometimes. These were all commercial buildings. Can't say if it was 1/10 or 1/5 etc but it was interesting
n the 1970s and early 1980s, car keys only had a greatly reduced set of different keys for one type of vehicle. At the time, I was a trainee in the car mechanic trade and got an order to replace the clutch on a red VW Beetle that was supposed to be behind the workshop on the street. There was one standing there too, only the numbers on the license plate had rotated numbers. As soon as the door key and the ignition key fit, I drove the vehicle to the workshop, but was amazed that the clutch worked perfectly, just maybe something had to be readjusted. I did that and asked the workshop foreman how I should proceed and whether I should replace the intact clutch. He looked and said: You have the wrong car, this is a 1302, and the one with the broken clutch is a 1301 and it's still over there on the right! Damn it, the wrong car's parking space was now occupied, so it had to switch places with the real car. The owner will be very surprised that his car is 50 meters away. So I left the protective cardboard for the carpet and the seat cover in the vehicle and added a note: Dear customer, we have reset your clutch as a free service. Sincerely yours, your VW workshop
This pile of keys reminded me The Keymaker from The Matrix Reloaded.... And then my imagination kicked in, imagining every scene in Matrix with The Keymaker in started with phrase "This is the Lock Picking Lawyer and today ..."
When I worked as a night patrol security guard, I had a briefcase containing every single key to every lock of all our clients. It must have weighed 5-6 kilos and consist of aprox 4-500 keys. THAT was one heck of a keychain....
While this is interesting, it's nowhere near as severe a security issue as HUD key sets. I think pretty much anyone can buy them, it's maybe 100-ish keys, and the vast majority of vacant properties...pretty much everywhere in the U.S. use the same HUD key set. Worse, the same dozen keys out of that set are most commonly used, about 80% of the time. A389 for gates and garages, 35241, 67767, 45329 and a couple others for all doors. Always was a little horrified to think that practically anyone could walk right into these, often furnished, multi-million dollar homes with $15k viking stoves, and take whatever they want. Surprised I haven't ever heard stories about it happening, as it's not uncommon knowledge. I have a set myself for work.
Damn you're fast! Oh, OK, now I see your just utilizing the curvature of space-time to accelerate yourself temporarily. I guess knowledge of the Einstein-Rosen Bridge is required for expert level lock picking.
It doesn't leave the forensic marks of picking, but I'm pretty sure it will leave a tell-tale signs on the pins of the shearline to heights that just don't happen with the correct key or properly cut key.
this could also be done in short busts, like you could take just 5 keys at a time, then each day try 5 keys so that you don't have to explain why you have 200 keys. this would also arouse less suspicion among bystanders
So that's the pile of TryOut keys for ONE type of locks from ONE manufacturer. And LPL was lucky to find a working key just after half the pile was tested. Not practical in reality, where a lock has to be opened as quick as possible (for any intentions), if you ask me.
It have one useful purposed though: To safely unlock an accidentally locked house, without needing excessive picking or breaking down the lock. (Though not like after that you wouldn't need to immediately replace the lock anyway...)
Well, as was mentioned, this is a low-skill attack, or suited to covert entry. Many lockpicks can actually leave markings on the key pins, which is why you may want to use an attack like this. It's definitely niche either way, however. Especially when latch slipping and over/under door attacks are more common. Likely, this is something you'd use as a last resort for covert entry attacks, and even then something you'd have to premeditate.
*Wife:* "What's you do today?" *Husband:* "I watched LockPickingLawyer use dozens of keys in an effort to unlock a lock they didn't fit. It was magical."
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This was your chance to get a video over ten minutes.
Quality over quantity. Its a good video.
Yeah props to him for not doing one of those lazy ass 10:01 videos to get some coins
I like to think he's well off that this channel is just a hobby for him
Just watch it in 0.25x speed
Still not 10 minutes, it'd be about 8 minute
Imagine losing one of those key which is the only one you actually need
Well since odds are there's overlap between the keys, then even if you lose one, then others cut close will still work due to the poor tolerances built into the lock itself.
@@eak125 That is the exact reason this tryout set works. This lock has far more than 256 possible keys, it's just that the tolerances are so loose that each position only needs to be approximately correct.
@@eak125 I don't think so actually. These keys are deliberately designed to mimic the majority of kwikset keys. As LPL stated, each key is designed to approximate several kwikset key cuts. The way this would likely be achieved is by grouping similar key cuts and then making a specialty key for that grouping. Losing a key means losing that grouping. If a different special key could open one of the same locks, it's because both keys shared a kwikset cut. The reason there are so few keys in the video is because it is inefficient to make keys that would overlap and open the same lock. They would be too similar and therefore only open similar cuts, and you could open a wider variety between them by changing them to be more distinct so that they don't open the same locks.
@@creaturedanaaaaa The lock has 1-6 bitting depths with 5 bittings. This eliminates 4 depths in each position which eliminates close to half of the possible combinations. No 0-7-8-9.
@@thecryptopotamus3474 Honestly I just remember reading something somewhere and don't remember exactly what was said so thanks for the clarification
I just want to hang all those keys from my belt and walk around like some kind of jailer of the damned
Well expliting someone's nearby house would be real easy. Walk on up, in the iddle of the night or during mid-day and when nobody is looking, try ten keys. Do this for every house you want to target using this smart key system. Repeat once or twice daily until success. A long-con for sure, but done quickly enough per-day you wouldn't be caught doing anything wrong.
Just wait in a car with a long lens on a camera, take a close up picture of the key as it's used by the resident, then match the photo to one of those keys in the comfort of your own home. Then, just use the one that works the first time.
If you have a good quality photo of the key then you can maybe just create the same key, though I'm not sure if it's practical to do
@@bapanada9446 true, you could decode it and then cut a new one.
@@SlocketSeven What if it's Master Glass?
This illustrates an important gap between the manufacturers' claimed 'millions of combinations' and the actual physically possible combinations.
Eric Hansen well... mathematically on paper there could be millions of possible combinations, but physically that can’t always be done. And of course they’re trying to sell locks 🤷🏼♂️
Kwikset doesn't claim millions of combinations.
Kwikset keyways have 5 pins with 7 possible cut depths on each pin. If you do the simple math, that is 16,807 possible keys. However, you cannot use that entire space because of how the mechanics of locks work, so you must reduce it. (The locksmiths call it MACS). When you subtract out the MACs, you are left with about 10,000 possibilities. However, the tolerances of these locks aren't that tight, so even 10,000 is an overestimation because a "close enough" cut on a key will usually work. So I do not find it odd that a chain of 256 keys would open most KW1 locks.
”Covert entry types?
Ah yes, you must be talking about me!
Yes, it is I the covert entry type, so incredibly covert with bag filled with what is absolutely not very loud and rattling keys!
Oh wait.”
Great job again like always
Bro this vid is a banger at .25 speed.
Many new home construction guys have a "cheater" Kwikset key that opens many of the basic locksets....
It's probably not a cheater key but a construction bitted lock, commercial builders buy huge sets of locks each set has a construction key and a user key, once owner uses there key it disables the construction keys, or the locks could be master keyed which would require rekeying to remove the master key from each lock.
Just an added detail, that construction bulk set could be set to one construction key but different owner keys per set for a building/house.
Yeah, go to your local box store and match the single digit number among boxes of door locks, usually one thru nine, and you have the keys that will unlock most of the doors in the neighborhood of freshly built houses. Scary, isn't it. I've upgraded all of my door locks to something that didn't come from a big box store.
[ 1 ] Break open the door
[ 2 ] Pick the lock ( Level 10 lockpicking required)
*[ 3 ] Try one of your 256 keys*
[ 4 ] Leave
For the authentic experience, play it at 0.25x :D
I wonder if you use plastic picks you can avoid the tool marks as well. I bet you could even 3d print some.
If you used plastic picks they would probably break off in the lock, which would be a dead give-away that you had attempted to pick it.
"depending on your skill level, it could be faster than picking"
I can't help but feel attacked.
Matt P. Your comment was funny. I felt like he was talking about me.
My old complex used quickest and an inexperienced person like me could pick those kwikset locks in 4 to 7. I only know this because a couple of my neighbors got locked out a on occasion.
The number of try-out keys needed is the square root of the number of differs the lock has. In 1935 Briggs and Stratton supplied a 'sidebar' cylinder for GM automobiles etc. These had 6 tumblers with four depths giving 4096 theoretical differs. These were harder to pick than usual. Someone developed 64 tryout keys for locksmiths etc to get into GM automobiles with a 80% success rate. Possibly the failed to operate newish cylinders. The success rate was improved slightly by making the cuts nearer the tip of the key very slightly shallower which compensated for wear.
Presumably tryout keys for SmartKey are attractive as these cylinders are claimed to be bump proof.
Interestingly, although the average pin tumbler cylinder has 10 possible key depths, manufacturers and locksmiths use only alternate depths for masterkeying as the chance of a wrong key operating the cylinder is too great if all 10 depths were used. Seems some makers have given up in 10 depths and use 6 depths only because all 6 depths can be safely used for masterkeying and allows a larger system than 5 depths.
@@netking66 the ignition key to my 85 chevy truck unlocked the door to my 89 camaro.
@@jfangx nope. Maybe a regular Kwikset, but the smartkey style are very difficult to pick.
LPL: 4X Speed
Me: Two can play at this game sir.
Bear Eggers
I set it to 2x speed
Agh that frame rate thou
@@thefountainpendesk I skipped to the moment where '4x speed' disappeared, get on ma level
😂
@@_catzee King Crimson
i can just imagine someone squatting down in front of my front door with a keychain that has 250 keys
Then they accidentally drop the whole ring and have to start over
Must be somewhat heavy too
They need not try all 250 keys at once. Patience is key (pun intended). imagine someone casing a place and over the course of several days, at different times, they bring a few sets of these and tries them. Eventually, they'll find the key that works and can come access that door anytime at their leisure.
@@AoloachI'd keep them in the sets of 10 for just such an eventuality.
did u just assume Slavic nationality? XD
Mrs. LPL: Do not buy any more locks for rest of the year!!
LPL: Buys ALL of the keys….
This year is anyways almost over
For the rest of the year? He only has to wait five more days, then he can buy more locks. LOL
@@my3dviews You've never done "for the rest of the year" jokes? I do many on the same 31st.
@@0Clewi0 Sure and we can now do rest of the decade jokes too.
@@my3dviews Groups of ten end with a zero. 😉
I weld my door to the frame everytime i go out. Good luck finding a key for that.
_opens window_
Much easier to attack your acetylene supply. Thanks!
"Now, Naked Beekeeper claims that their method of security is an improvement over normal methods, but it has what *I* believe to be an inexcusable flaw."
lol
If you weld a door shut, does it not become a wall?
I once tried to unlock my door with the correct key and failed.
Only once? I've done it several times...
Same with my sisters
You just trying to take the heat off you after mastering the art of lockpicking.
@@ParodieHecker-mobile bruh XD no both of them tried to open the door, and both failed
I once tried to unlock the door with the wrong key and it worked. 🤦♂️
"There was no sign of forced entry. The murderer must be someone familiar" is the scary part.
Most murder victums are killed by someone they know, anyway.
@@coladict Nothing makes you want to murder someone like living with them.
@@coladict Most humans have huge inhibitions to kill other humans. That's why most murders are caught: the police knows there is most likely reason and therefore some kind of relationship between murderer and victim, which they will look for.
bnmn smp “most murders are caught”??? Tell that to the Chicago police department.
I like the way you think.
Actually, I'm a bit worried about the way you think.
:)
Impressive LPL, but the school janitor would've found the key in 5 seconds
The entire school system in the town I lived in used the same key for every door in every building.
Or the Lost & Found office at Tokyo Disneyland. They literally have hundreds of public transport IC cards in their collection that people have lost, but they took less than 30 seconds to find the exact one that my wife lost (I verified it because it had the next number up from my card, which I still had).
So if your house gets broken into in a few minutes with these keys, it may have been someone from the Lost & Found office at Tokyo Disneyland...
@@shawnr771 i think this is fairly normal, as its the same for my school, and another government school i spent time at recently
School janitor chiming in, BFE rural Montana, we have mastered primus cores on 90% of our doors. Also a short handful of KW1 and Sargent. Oh and the fantastic master padlocks. Plus an RFID keyfob for entry.
@@jeffreyreindeer5351 Hey I'm from Montana too!
“I’m gonna go to bed early tonight”
Me at 3am watching a lawyer fumble with 256 keys: ooh he got it
6:33 am here Dx
Who would have thought:
One of the longer LPL videos and he used a key 🤣
ha, yea! I wish I could upvote your comment more than once! You are right, not a video I expected to see.
Haha, it occurs to me that in every LPL video I've seen someone comments, "LPL picks locks faster than I can open them with the key." Seems to me LPL is just out of practice with keys 😉
@@freetouchphoto 🤣👍🏻
@@Dwayne_Bearup True indeed
Oops, typo I meant ". . . a [lot'a] keys"
Imagine the jingle of all those keys if you wore them all on your waist.
"Ho ho ho. Merry Keys-mas"
When you see a man with that many keys, he’s very important.
@@johnsimun6533 as a highschool student, I used to pose as school IT to gain access to the server room, so I would wear a bunch of bump keys on my waist. It actually helped so people didn't question me.
Images of The Key Maker from the Matrix movies comes to mind...
You just wiggle a little to intimidate anyone who questions you
"Depending on your skill, this might be easier" Nice, LPL dabbing on the noobs.
I consider myself a noob, but I have picked an unknown lock with a bit of mig welding wire and a flat head screwdriver XD
@@thetwitch6667 ye I know the feeling. Once I had to open a server door that was locked. Fortunately a paperclip was enough(hurt myself in the middle tho)
TBF, the newer kwikset smartlocks are actually really challenging to pick, due to how they tension.
everybody starts somewhere
C R I’d use it before drilling a lock
Thief 1: "Okay, we're here. Quick, pick the lock before someone sees us!"
Thief 2: "Sure thing!" * pulls out a HUGE pile of keys from bag *
Thief 1: ....
I kept waiting for him stop the time lapse and go, "This is stupid." *click,*click "And now it's open. You could buy $400 worth of keys or spend 3 seconds and pick it."
You don't even need to buy those tho. You can just put a hidden camera pointed at the lock, get a reasonable profile of the key and set the right key.
ruclips.net/video/NLN3V1NLFxo/видео.html
@@51-FS Just a note on that video: While it was certainly true at the time of filming for that attack to be possible, Kwikset has since made some design revisions that both LPL and BB have remarked about, increasing the difficulty of picking. LPL has done some videos in the past explaining that, due to an upgrade in the sidebar design profile, regular methods for tension are futile, thus resorting to using a shim pressing directly on the sidebar (Video 904, also worth noting it's a 5:27 min long video); BB then in a more recent video as part of his treasure chest series (Video 1533 Lock #8), explains that due to another upgrade in the profile, even that attack won't work and he had to resort to shear luck to open that particular Kwikset.
The more of these I watch, the more I realize that pretty much all locks are useless. They only keep the honest out, the real thieves will find a way in without too many issues.
@Zachary Pond lol I thought he said under 3 minutes
So, uh... Where can I buy all these?
Its for research purposes.
Edit: oof $400... Nevermind
LPL Put a link in the desc to be able to purchased them.
Not too bad of a price if you consider how pick resistant those locks can potentially be. For a locksmith, that $400 initial expense can reap dividends over time for non-destructive lockout calls.
@@eak125 yeah, true. Its also not bad for 256 keys. That's only ~$2 per key. I'm just broke.
@@eak125 LPL said the lock has large tolerances so why would a good picker buy keys?
@@jetah50 You said it right: these are for the not so good pickers.
If this was't 4x speed while trying the keys, I could have finished my waffles before the end of this video.
This was almost a LockPickingLawyer movie compared to most.
When I was in high school, I bought a Mercury Monarch that turned out to be the same key code as our city's fleet of police cars. Don't ask me how I made this discovery, or what I did once I had that knowledge.
I don't find the 1284X truly useful very often but it sure is a hoot to show off when I get a chance.
"Nice to have met you Office Jones. I appreciate you taking time for to chat with me. Before I go, would you like to see something interesting?"
Police car manufacturers offer the option of like keying all the cars in a fleet buy. I doubt that a key code used for a like key fleet buy would also be used in a civilian car.
@@Dave-in-MD Keyed-alike is a prevalent security issue. The 1284X is Ford's standard fleet key but the remaining cuts don't matter so a "civilian" vehicle could still be populated with a lock and key that would operate a fleet lock; also, many fleet cars are retired to taxi duty or auctioned so a LOT of those keys are in the wild.
Check out Sgt. Payne and Dev's talk "This key is your key..." for some fun material.
@@Dave-in-MD this was the old FA0-FA1863 code series. Times were different back then.
@@thecompetentman1 Ah, H51. What was the fleet bitting back then?
Did you check to see if there were multiple keys in that pile that would open that particular lock?
Technically (based on what Kwikset says) there shouldn't.
@@aserta It's probably not even based on that, but on having one halfway-cut to work on two factory cuts. Kwiksets are 1-2-3-4-5-6, so one could make a (1-2)-(3-4)-(5-6) system of only three cuts to replace the six. For a five-tumbler key, that's 6⁵ (ignoring that no two tumblers can be more than four different) or 7776, but if there are only three actual heights required due to half-depth cuts, then 3⁵ is 243, which looks an awful lot like the numbers cited for the total keys in the set.
One further contributing factor to the exploitation of the Kwikset system is that their key pins do not have a particular orientation, so the shear-line cut uses the same beveled-edges on the pins as the key-side. This makes for a ramp to help push the shear line into position even when it's imperfect.
A simple way to reduce the likelihood that a kwikset lock will be openable with this exploit is to assemble the lock using aftermarket keypins, pins that are unidrectional for being installed, with clear ends intended for interfacing to the keys and clear ends with harsh corners for the shear line. That makes it harder for a half-height cut to align properly.
@@TWX1138 There are 4 cuts with 4 depths each. 4⁴ is 256.
@@hamjudo I cut Kwikset keys myself, for myself. There are five pins on traditional kwikset, six cuts per pin. No two adjacent pins can be further apart than four positions. There are also six-pin Kwikset variously marketed as Titan and Ultramax, and a seventh depth is introduced, technically making for more combinations.
@@TWX1138 Your first paragraph is exactly right, I don't believe there is any such thing as aftermarket pins for smartkey locks. They don't even use pins in the traditional sense.
I keep burglars out the traditional way!
By having a door that looks like there's nothing worth stealing behind it.
I go one step better, I have nothing worth stealing.
bdf2718 amateurs
I removed my door years ago!
Looks like me trying to get in the house when I'm drunk.
Ok, now for the prank. Take the one out of the set and give to a friend to try the 249 keys as a time challenge.
255*
We need a livestream of this and we can all place bets on how long it'll take.
It would have been interesting to see a visual comparison between the key that was used to set the lock and the key that ended up working, to see just how loose the tolerances really are on those kwiksets.
So what you're saying is, if I want to keep an experienced picker out of my house, I should leave a massive pile of nearly identical keys outside my door.
1:30
"Lock-picking skill level 96"
"Lock-picking skill level 97"
"Lock-picking skill level 98"
"Lock-picking skill level 99"
And It's guaranteed that when you finally find the right key, you'll accidentally drop it down the drain.
LockPickingLawyer: *picks the lock*
TheMagnificentZoltar: *Brings all possible keys*
Hey lockpickinglawyer, what do you think of smartereveryday’s latest video? The one where he uses lasers to exploit the smart home products.
Smart homes only require smart high tech burglars.ruclips.net/video/ozIKwGt38LQ/видео.html
He made a video at someone else's behest taking a pis* on SimplySafe and other similar systems, so there's that.
no u exploit is an interesting word the beat he got was turning a light blue
There's something about that guy I don't like. Seems fake and not genuine.
Maybe because he totes the high minded science theme but has a bible verse at the end of his videos.
@@24framedavinci39 I understand what you mean, but I don't see Destin in that light. I see him as someone that finds things he enjoys or is interested in, and then learns all he can in a short period of time and records it so he can share his new knowledge with the world.
The Bible verse, he's religious, and he's not throwing it in your face, he's got it at the very end of the video and it's just the book, chapter, verse. It's just the location, not the actual passage. I've never looked any up, I don't know if they are like the verse that inspired him to learn more about whatever he learned in the video or if it's just the verse of the day on his daily calendar. But it doesn't bother me.
Now, I do like Destin, but his videos generally don't resonate with me. I don't think it's him or the content, more I think it's his pacing of content delivery doesn't really work for me. Veritasium is similar. The Vsauce channels I'm neutral towards the hosts but their method of content delivery just doesn't work for me most of the time.
This is a regression video. He went back to keys after years of becoming one of the greatest lock pickers ever!
He used a key for the shotgun lock in [669].
He needed an actual challenge to open a lock.
I think another great benefit of this method which was not mentioned is that, once you find the key, you now literally have the key to that lock, so if you've got a reason to repeatedly enter such place, or even just a second time at a more busy hour, this method is literally your only option vs. picking
When you’re friends with The Keymaker
I have try out sets for a number of old cars makes and years. I amassed large quantities of locks and ignition switches and figured they were sale-able if they were keyed. The shocking part was most try out sets were comprised of around 120 keys. You would find a particular era only utilized maybe 40-50 of those combinations. And there were a handful far more popular (more frequently used) than others.
"Honey, there's a suspicious person outside! I think it's a burglar!"
"No... it's obviously just a janitor. No big deal."
When I was in the SF Bay Area doing card key and cameras I had a ring of keys, 300 or so. Sometimes we had to get into something and didn't have a key so The Ring came out and, Lo, it worked sometimes. These were all commercial buildings. Can't say if it was 1/10 or 1/5 etc but it was interesting
Crazy we all sat here and watched him put keys in locks for three minutes.
I set the video to .25 speed when he set it to 4x so that I would feel how long it was :)
I just skipped to after the "4x speed" label disappeared.
n the 1970s and early 1980s, car keys only had a greatly reduced set of different keys for one type of vehicle. At the time, I was a trainee in the car mechanic trade and got an order to replace the clutch on a red VW Beetle that was supposed to be behind the workshop on the street. There was one standing there too, only the numbers on the license plate had rotated numbers.
As soon as the door key and the ignition key fit, I drove the vehicle to the workshop, but was amazed that the clutch worked perfectly, just maybe something had to be readjusted. I did that and asked the workshop foreman how I should proceed and whether I should replace the intact clutch. He looked and said: You have the wrong car, this is a 1302, and the one with the broken clutch is a 1301 and it's still over there on the right!
Damn it, the wrong car's parking space was now occupied, so it had to switch places with the real car. The owner will be very surprised that his car is 50 meters away. So I left the protective cardboard for the carpet and the seat cover in the vehicle and added a note: Dear customer, we have reset your clutch as a free service. Sincerely yours, your VW workshop
This looks like my keychain in every RPG game I've ever played
Role Playing Game Game?
I give you a challenge:) open up the yale doorman ? It would be fun to see if there are any weakness in it . Hope you take the challenge.
This pile of keys reminded me The Keymaker from The Matrix Reloaded.... And then my imagination kicked in, imagining every scene in Matrix with The Keymaker in started with phrase "This is the Lock Picking Lawyer and today ..."
'We're gonna need a bigger key ring"
It’s funny that most anything with the word “smart” in it is usually the most exploitable.
Longer than usual time to "pick a lock"
Now I can say I have seen almost everything. I saw LPL use a key to open a lock!
imagine having all of these on your keychain
When I worked as a night patrol security guard, I had a briefcase containing every single key to every lock of all our clients. It must have weighed 5-6 kilos and consist of aprox 4-500 keys. THAT was one heck of a keychain....
@@whisperzzar3321 A key case
"The keychain that Bosnianbill and I made"
Why do I feel like that pile of keys was wrapped up under LPL's Christmas tree?
LPL: A Cinderella Story
Kwikset: Our product is in an LPL video over 3 mins!
*watch video*
Kwikset: Oh...
Merry Xmas, this is the lock picking lawyer and today ill cosplay as the keymaster from the matrix.
That feels like something from Skyrim, u have like a shit ton of keys on ya and u always find the key needed
Does LPL keeps all these keys ‘locked’ up in his Honeywell key box 🤷♂️
🤭
Ha. You mean the Honeywell paper weight 😂
I never knew that a 4 hour super cut of LPL trying keys in a lock was something I was missing in my life. I could watch that all day.
He needs to go through an escape room and bring his lock pick tools and make a record time 🤣
He had to put 4x speed so that we wouldn’t get scared. But in reality, that’s his real speed
This reminds me of the Keymaker in The Matrix Reloaded...which, incidentally, I watched just two days ago... Spooky. 😱
While this is interesting, it's nowhere near as severe a security issue as HUD key sets. I think pretty much anyone can buy them, it's maybe 100-ish keys, and the vast majority of vacant properties...pretty much everywhere in the U.S. use the same HUD key set. Worse, the same dozen keys out of that set are most commonly used, about 80% of the time. A389 for gates and garages, 35241, 67767, 45329 and a couple others for all doors. Always was a little horrified to think that practically anyone could walk right into these, often furnished, multi-million dollar homes with $15k viking stoves, and take whatever they want. Surprised I haven't ever heard stories about it happening, as it's not uncommon knowledge. I have a set myself for work.
The one key to rule them all...
256 keys to rule the one...
Damn you're fast! Oh, OK, now I see your just utilizing the curvature of space-time to accelerate yourself temporarily. I guess knowledge of the Einstein-Rosen Bridge is required for expert level lock picking.
If we were in court You would be a 'Key' witness =))
It doesn't leave the forensic marks of picking, but I'm pretty sure it will leave a tell-tale signs on the pins of the shearline to heights that just don't happen with the correct key or properly cut key.
I'd hope one of my neighbours would think it suspicious when someone walks up with a bag of keys.
this could also be done in short busts, like you could take just 5 keys at a time, then each day try 5 keys so that you don't have to explain why you have 200 keys. this would also arouse less suspicion among bystanders
I feel masterlock should sells sets of these for their locks. It would really slow any thieves down who bought a set.
Geez, that's pretty crap! All you need is 5kg of these keys and you're in like Flynn. 😃👍
I wonder if you could make these keys in such a way that you could do binary search and thus only need to try a maximum of 8 keys on average
"Nothing on 1, nothing on 2, nothing on 3...
...nothing on 104, nothing on 105, 106 is binding... and we're open!"
You should have recommendations list for the locks that you think they are decent. Just a suggestion
So that's the pile of TryOut keys for ONE type of locks from ONE manufacturer. And LPL was lucky to find a working key just after half the pile was tested.
Not practical in reality, where a lock has to be opened as quick as possible (for any intentions), if you ask me.
It have one useful purposed though: To safely unlock an accidentally locked house, without needing excessive picking or breaking down the lock. (Though not like after that you wouldn't need to immediately replace the lock anyway...)
Well, as was mentioned, this is a low-skill attack, or suited to covert entry. Many lockpicks can actually leave markings on the key pins, which is why you may want to use an attack like this. It's definitely niche either way, however. Especially when latch slipping and over/under door attacks are more common. Likely, this is something you'd use as a last resort for covert entry attacks, and even then something you'd have to premeditate.
I assume the intended purpose is for locksmiths where least to non-destructive methods are preferred and time isn’t a major factor
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The longer it takes the more the locksmith charges!
RevMarket not really. Most guys in my area just have a set price for what job they’re doing.
It should have been 243 keys. Does anyone know how he came up with 256?
This looks like something I would do if I didn't know how to pick locks
thanks a lot now I'm stuck in jail for breaking into my friend's house at 4am in the morning
Can you show us the "telltale tool marks of picking?"
i'd guess maybe some scratching or something like that, but i'd certainly watch that.
The marks are
1) damage to key way from tensioning tool
2) scratches on the pins from the pick
@@HelenaOfDetroit cool, thanks. I'd still like to see a video highlighting it. :)
"On average, you'll only need to try half of them." Very good point! (Makes me wonder if you've spent any time studying computer science as well.)
This is the longest I've seen LPL trying to open a lock...of course I haven't watched all of his videos yet (I'm 80% done) but still...hahahaha
Now that is a smart key. And who said "we don't need no stinking key" ?
I move my house to another dimension. Pick that!
*ThePortalThatBosnianBillAndIMade* is typing...
Lol hahahah
Wait a minute... He knows how to use a key??
I counted that he went through 123 keys before finding one that worked.
I think you miscounted. At 100, he separated the piles better. Then tried 13 more.
@@J__C__ I concur. He indeed splits the pile at 100. Then one more set of ten, then three until it opens.
The video is over 2 mins long, he must be using the key to open the lock this time.
*Wife:* "What's you do today?" *Husband:* "I watched LockPickingLawyer use dozens of keys in an effort to unlock a lock they didn't fit. It was magical."
*What's you do today*
You know who opened it as he will have bulging pant pockets and the pants around his ankles with the weight of the keys.
« Let’s look at this shitload of keys Bosnian Bill and I made »
On average you may need to try less than half. I’d get a mathematician to check this but isn’t the ratio approximately 1/e or 36%
LPL needs to start measuring lock picks by units of M:
M = time to pick a Master Lock
The *median* number of tries to achieve that ratio does cancel back down to 50%.
Just go to the location every day 15 keys... Couple of days, and tatata
Damn imagine losing a small ass diary key in there
With my luck, it'd be the last key I tried!
Bradley Weingartner It always the last key you tried. Why would you continue once you've found the correct key? 😂
It's always the last key you try.
Wow, it's the same when I loose something, ;) lmao
Use that knowledge to your advantage and start with the last key. ;-)
The SJV Workshop its always the last key.... unless you’re stupid lol
Show of hands for who played this at 0.25 speed. ✋
This video would have been better if you had briefly explained what the Quickset Smart Key system is.
I believe he has a video about them?
I keep the screen door locked. Boom instant security from lock tamperers.