Where Did McLaren's Great Pace Come From?
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In Bahrain, McLaren was NOWHERE. Awful pace, a car that was apparently ‘very very difficult to drive’ and a P14 and P15 for the two drivers.
And that would have been P18 and 19 if the three Red Bull engines had held together.
But they’ve had one hell of a resurgence, with Lando getting a podium in Imola and some strong results in Australia. So what have they changed for the Emilia Romagna GP? And where are they going from here?
Well, this story with the McLaren starts in Bahrain - where we were all wondering if the McLarens were going to be the backmarkers for this year.
They only beat Latifi and Hulk (in a car he had never driven before) - and yes the Red Bulls and Gasly who all DNF’d.
If you look at Qualifying, their delta to the fastest cars in Qualifying was about a second and a half.
Then, looking at race pace - the delta was a little bigger. Now, this is harder to tell in the race, with traffic, degrading tyres and the list goes on. But you can see that the McLaren is consistently a way off the pace.
Lando said - ‘We don’t really have a good enough car to do better’ and explained that he had to push really hard just to keep up at the beginning, only then to deg the tyres and fall off the pack altogether.
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They were fast at the Barcalona test. They had brake issues at the Bahrain test and had to cobble together a temp solution to get thru the weekend. Then they had time to fix the brakes proper-like and have been back on the Barc pace since.
tbf they were p1 at barc but ye
Barcelona does not meam shit and literally everyone in the team said so.
@@DailyShit. P1 on the first day whilst everyone was on differing plans
Proper like mucker!
Right, the problems only came when they went to the desert
considering danny had covid during testing, and DNF from basically 2 races (imola was basically a dnf as the damage to the car basically ended his race) I think give him some good luck and a chance and his pace will also be great (especially since the race he dnfd he was actually faster than lando, and in Australia aswell, 1 more lap Danny wouldve passed lando).
I hope you’re right…
Lando had engine problems towards the end of the race at AUS and McLaren were afraid he might not have finished the race
They refused to let him pass Lando due to issues for Lando's car at Albert Park.
I agree with this as well. A lot of people are saying Danny is really struggling compared to Lando, but I actually think in race pace they've been pretty even to the extent of some of the closest team mates on the grid atm - and I'm saying this as a Lando fan boy:
Bahrain: they were close to each other all race (be it Lando was on a slightly different strategy) and Danny finished ahead
Saudi Arabia: Through the race they ran close to each other in position on track and were working their way back through the pack when Danny had his issue and retired. I think they would of finished 7th and 8th if Danny had not retired
Australia: Close together in qualifying and race. Yes towards the end Lando started stretching away ever slightly upto 5s, but then had his engine issue and they were close at the end
Imola: Ended sprint ~3s apart and adjacent to each other. In the race yes was Danny's mistake, to me it was an easy mistake to do in the wet and then he had no pace in the race due to diffuser damage.
All in all as long as Danny doesn't let his head drop too much I think it will be a close season between them if he can get some luck.
@@thomascollyer2995 I like and agree with your assessment. I’m willing to bet that Daniel will win another race before Lando gets his first.
Everyone seems to forget that they missed half their pre-season, it was just Lando and they had issues with his car too.. they just needed time to catch up but I still don't think they're there yet, that was a lucky podium, first by Lando crashing to end Q3 early and then Dan's crash to take out Sainz which may have also influenced Leclerc's race.
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Very true bur they definitely had the pace for p 5 and 6. I believe they are truly back to best of the rest.
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@@alunesh12345 i think you are on the wrong channel.
There are no make believe characters in F1
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I thought Mercedes engine was the issue but clearly they still have a good engine
Fans don’t know what their talking about so that’s not a surprise.
We’ll soon be talking and moaning about the rocket engine. 🤣
@@lekudos true, Mercedes haven’t turned up their engine yet unlike redbull n Ferrari. Once the porposing is fixed I believe Mercedes will be unbeatable.
I disagree. The closing speed of the RB and Ferrari engines in Imola was immense. There was a reason Hamilton couldn't get by Gasly, for example. Drag plays a big role but any car with a RB or Ferrari PU absolutely flew down that pit straight.
@@mb1326 McLaren does their own gearboxes, so the excuse doesn't apply for them.
Possibly
I always thought the Mclaren package, at least the aero was solid, they had braking cooling issues in bahrain and it carried over to saudi, by Australia they should have fixed that already with the 1 week break so this isn't too surprising
Car indeed looked solid from testing except the brakes... but where did they get the speed from? Have they found a setting that makes the engine have better pace?
They were saying the aero was part of why the car was just slow at the beginning
@@MickayG Lando has literally given the answer in interviews. It is the tracks. Low speed corners and long straights car no likely. Long flowing high speed corners, car likely.
In the wet low speed corners and long straights issue is solved
@@finalfantasymad Not really, McLaren expected to fight to get into the top 10 at Imola as Imola is not a fast track per say its a track that resembles Bahrain more with slow corners and heavy braking zones. Lando was still faster than everyone except the Ferraris and Redbulls when everyone switched to slicks.
Somehow, I feel like the McLaren looks better without the extra paint on the air intake and the rear wing. I really wasn't a fan of how it looked at first.
I quite like it and i'm glad that the wing is not as massive as the concept from 2019
They suffered from brake issues early on that is why they were off the pace.
Yup. Plus.. Lando. I'm sorry but thar kid just makes it happen. He's certainly made mistakes in his career.. but there are very few drivers out there that just grab what they have by the scruff of the neck and just force it higher up than maybe it should be. Max, George, Lando, KMag
So basically....
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Honestly i think they had a really good package to begin with, they were held back by the brake issues but once that was sorted, they've started fighting in the front of the grid
Daniel was faster in quali than Lando at Imola whenever they had a lap close together but he didn't get a 2nd lap in Q3.
it's why I am still in anger mode. lol..
Danny is done for
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@@HN-ol7oz yea it's kinda annoying when it probably should have been a quali and race win over his teammate, people still saying he's washed :/
@@theonlylolking thanks, armchair professor...
Might sound weird, but the McLaren is weather sensitive. Bahrain and Jeddah are hot and dry circuits, while Melbourne had a more template climate and Imola was quite chilly with the rain always looming around.
It's something related to their brakes as well: the cooler weather helps their brakes.
Long straights and tight corners generally cause more wheel/break temp increases.
The weather seems to be the tipping point for their car for some reason. Cooler/Rain, passive cooling puts them below break issue threshold on a track where they expected issues. Hot and dry circuits cause it to go above.
They should generally be fine on the more "winding" circuits made up of mostly fast corners ether way and if passive conditions are impacting performance this much they should only be a few small changes away from this being mostly solved everywhere.
@@mikespearwood3914 This is where I'm basing my whole assumption, the McLaren was night and day in Barcelona testing and Bahrain. In interviews Siedl talked about this issue but it was glossed over.
That pace was still half more than half a second slower than the red bulls
And there is a Triple A fighting for P4 in the constructors...
RB made an extra pit stop, so the mclaren are actually 1 sec behind the RB per lap...
But RB powertrains also blows up more regularly. As they say, "to finish first, first you need to finish".
as long as RB engines don't commit suicide near the end of the race
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This is the third channel i watch currently featuring Scarbs, the man does the rounds.
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Damn this McLaren is beautiful...took a couple races to get used to it but now im loving it 🔥🔥
It’s more beautiful when it’s at the front, rather than the back, lol.
@@officialWWM I like it from every angle tbh...the only thing i dont really like are the google's wheel covers
@@henry247 oh, I really like the wheel covers. I think it’s a clever piece of marketing!
Well for me the first time i saw it, it's already looks good but weird because the blue stripe is kinda out of place and i think the livery looks the best from the front
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Remember when Honda was gp2 and merc was a rocket...that has aged very well,,like fine wine
I love your videos Scott and the rest of the gang. I've been watching for years and I love the new race reviews and stuff. I just kind of miss your driving lessons though. Is that something you may bring back someday? I hope you're all having a great week and are getting excited for the inaugural Miami Grand Prix in my home country! Cheers everyone!
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It's been a amazing turnaround highlighting just how crazy regulation changes can be! Reminds me of 2009. However let's not stop here we still have a massive gap to bridge between us and Ferrari and Red Bull. Let's keep pushing :)
Tbh what ruined Leclerc's race was wanting the fastest lap point, it was completely unnecessary, and he should have kept third place which is still a strong points finish
He might trust his engineer now when he says not to go for fastest lap
His spin in Imola was because he took too much kerb trying to chase down Sergio Perez.
I'm really hoping they can improve even more...I wanna see lando up there taking podiums and his first win. kids got it!
500 Grams exponentially increases with G-forces. It results in less stress on the brakes and also tyres. Less energy is lost in lateral forces cornering (less speed is lost/car slows down less) and it's better for acceleration.
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Really enjoyed the Imola race. If that's the kind of racing we can expect in the wet, I'm gonna start doing rain dances.
I think we will see where everyone is at in Barcelona; if it doesn't rain. I hear that the rain in Spain falls mainly on the planes or is it plains.
Danrics reaction to Lando's podium!! Is priceless!!!
It seems Toto needs to give Zak & Andreas a call to ask for some advice
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Ha, ha. When did Mclaren last dominate an F1 season?
Ever heard of the mp4? @@gaycha6589
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@@12th.jahlil yes a successful car from 40 years ago. That was very much the the point that apparently went over your head.
If reducing mass is more important than downforce (all bow to St. Colin) perhaps doing something with this frigging shovels on the front of the car would help? Maybe a single element with more angle?
As an F1 fantasy league player, I would love videos breaking down upcoming races. How different cars and drivers may fair against the set up of the track.
Came from that Leclerc spinning and Sainz being knocked out or there would not have been a podium for Mclaren.
Sad. Maybe if Charles handled pressure better and Carlos didn't qualify so far back on account of him crashing, maybe Ferrari would've gotten a podium or two.
@@sharvapotdar3257 I think Charles does just fine with pressure he made a mistake and Danny ric made a mistake both of those cost Ferrari. Without those two mistakes I promise you Lando would have not been on the podium. You can disagree but Ferrari had the superior car to McLaren.
@@1BadPrix who said they didn't? Ferrari has the best car on the field imo. But it's not about what ifs and so on, is what I'm saying.
In terms of perfect driving, when it comes down only to the car, surely that should not have been a podium for MCL. But they were there to pick up the pieces, for which, credit is due (yes, they were like 25+ seconds behind, but they were also clear of the rest of the field, a place no one imagined they could be in after Bahrain and Saudi). They also made mediums last for around 44 laps if I'm not wrong. Lando was managing pace and tyres both with that car.
Also that being said, Charles in hindsight didn't go off because of pressure, I think it was more of him being greedy for P2.
@Driver61 good one, and what about AlphaRomeo?
Horner from RB was right. "It's easier to fix a fast non reliable car than a slow reliable one."
Mclaren took it seriously.
if they do well at Miami,then I'm really sure they're back.Albert Park and Imola I think suits their car with high speed corners but Miami have a lot of slow corners so we'll see how they do there...
They seemed good in Barcelona testing, then as heat increased, in Bahrain and Saudi they had issues and as the temps dropped McLaren improved, wouldn't be to surprised if they are lacking again in Singapore or wherever the next scorcher is
Because their design is fundamentally good but there were some issues they didn't realise, similar to what mercades are claiming however I feel mercades issues are a much more fundamental part of understanding how to extract performance from the car...
Awesome! I love it. Go on Lando ✌️😎
He handles that radiator like it weights like a packet of crisps, incredible.
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All that matters is that McLaren are competitive and are up in the top placings where they rightly belong. They will win races this season. Just as joyful is seeing the iconic colour orange on their cars. Bruce would have been deeply proud.
Daniel was pretty much on the pace at Imola, his tangle (self inflicted) with Carlos caused his issues in the race
I think it's interesting to see the Ferrari and RedBulls front wings just how similar they are and are the pacesetters so I wonder if McLaren can do a similar one to c if it'd work
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Paint can easily add 10-20% weight to a carbon fibre part so not a bad place to chase weight savings by either not painting or being very careful with the amount of primer/paint applied. - I build carbon boats
Insane to think that mercedes is now part of "the rest"
Fr its like the Final Boss when you face him vs when you unlock him as a playable character
You should of seen how dominant William's and McLaren were in the 90's now look at them , it happens unfortunately it's sport , sometimes you get it correct other times not .
@@danielbociarski6633 and then when you take him out for a spin, you realise he’s shit and nothing like what you thought he would be.
Its happend to every dominant team in the past , it will happen to every dominant team in the future
Especialy when Merc powered cars are in front of them.
I think Bahrain was just a one-off. They looked to be a top 4 team easily in Barcelona, they had a big setback in Bahrain but the consecutive races they've performed a bit worse than they had shown in Barcelona. Guess the media holds "You're only as good as your last race" true to heart.
is it possible to change the position of the parts like enigne, radiators, turbo and all the major structures of the power train an beyond without going illegal FIA wise?
i know the weight is key,
i know the aero is key
and so much i don't understand is key
but the laws are in place...
imagine that i want to place the radiators horizontaly for some reason,
could i do it without breaking any rules?
(not talking about the obvious problems that would bring)
No one mentioning that scarbs is putting a williams radiator in his mini. How did he get it?
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You probably get this question a lot, but any relation to Nigel? Love your content! Keep up the good work!
I think it’s a combination of brakes and learning how to setup the car during the weekend overall well done to them
The car looks better, it’s faster, Lando is a likeable guy. The team is growing on me (pause 🤣)
I never doubted McLaren performance. Bahrain and Saudi is just random fluke. Thier car didn't suit high-temperature track. They have brake issues in Bahrain. But, they really perform in Barcelona testing. I knew this is the case with McLaren. No one should be surprised with thier result now, at least I dont.
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Someone get Scarbs a Mic he honestly deserves it.
6:29 professional jinx
great video! the pink eye was kinda distracting tho
I'm a mad mclaren fan and (in my opinion)theres no "resurgence" just slight mods and good driver form, this video will not age well in the next few races I fear😭😭
From another Mclaren fan, I think they can average P5/6. Taking Mercedes spot basically. The podium was so lucky though
Miami is a difficult track, the driver and the car definitely need to be one. If I were an F1 team I'd be taking roughness samples of the tarmac, from what I hear, it's grippy but also abrasive.
I am still surprised just how much Red Bull and Ferrari have improved their engines compared to the Merc. I know the Merc's are really struggling with other problems at the moment, but there is no denying the Red Bull and Ferraris have a faster engine at the moment. Even if they sort out the handling problems, they are still going to struggle with a slower engine. I hope they sort that out quickly, would be great to have 3 or 4 teams fighting for the win each race. At the moment we get excited with just two teams fighting, double that and we would have a season to really remember.
Well guys from merc eng department went to rb
How do you explain McLaren, Aston & Williams being poor when Mercs PU was dominant? How do you explain Gasley with DRS being unable to pass Williams without DRS?
If I'm not mistaken, the engine freeze means that they'll remain as they are until 2026. There will be no development on the Mercedes engines and teams will have to use them as they are for the coming years.
@@yannickvaz694 teams will probably improve performance under the guise of "reliability upgrades", which are allowed
I still think a lot of what Mclaren has achieved has been down to the circuit layouts in SA and Australia and weather in Imola, and are vastly overachieving on what their package should deliver
They have the 4th best car easily. They had it all season but struggled with setup.
One thing is for sure. Those McLaren's look really great 👍. They have a top notch paint job that should marginally be tweaked for each season over the next five or so years. THEN, it'll become iconic! Winning won't hurt that from happening either
McLaren designed a pretty basic package with the idea to learn the regs and develop next year’s in the upgraded wind tunnel.
Yeah upgraded windtunnel should be a game changer. Hopefully it is online & fully calibrated ready for development for next year's car.
Scarbs needs a better mic and/or better acoustics in his room.
f1: calls saturdays thing "sprint" and sundays thing "race"
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Riccardo : Backmarker
Landi : Podium
Wasnt the main Red Bull issue not something with the engine but something with the fuel system?
Looking back on when we first met
I cannot escape and I cannot forget
Lando you're the one, you still turn me on
You can make me whole again
~Mclaren F1 2022
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No Lando fanboy but hugely impressed how he quietly out performs the car. Nothing dramatic but arguably he is beating DR by more than Max did. Food for thought.
Car issues corrected, RIC is faster.
last year yes but don't be surprised if Dan beats him next race, he should have had the quali and race win over him at Imola, he was quicker but screwed by the red flags
@@mini696 not really, any evidence to support that?
@@mred5625 check telementary from last races
@@zainmemon2982 You have access to Mclaren telemetry ? What is it with you Rictards ? nonsensical statements. First race both cars nowhere, Lando was quicker by .3 secs but was screwed by timing of safety car but it didnt matter anyway. Aus L was faster until his issue towards the end. Ric fans cling on to desparate snippets like his pace before Lando off in Q3 in Imola, but he could just have easily gone off or made a mistake before he finished his lap. If you want cold facts - if you average out FP, quali and race times this year Ric is 0.3897 seconds slower....
they had brake issues in Bahrain testing never thought McLaren were a backmarker
Would you make the analysis of Senna in Brazil 1991 ? That’s the ultimate Senna’s victory with only the 6 th gear
Riciardo stil was the backmarker in Emola though...
Their technology in their road car and road racing have come into play with aerodynamics, specifically the under floor.
Rain storms come out of nowhere in Florida so we could have a shuffle in the field again
they always had pace they just needed to sort out those brake issues, and it looks like they have done that so they are where they are meant to be
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Great pace but being 40+ seconds back if the leaders didn't pit 😔
Best of the rest is good, but they need to find a fistful of time to be challenging for wins.
Track & Temperatures
Where do u get these photos from bro?? I wanna put them on my wall 😂
0:06 just wanted to throw it out there, it would have been P17 and P18
You should invest in a better microphone! All of your videos are great, but I struggle with the resonance sounds and general audio quality.
So , there's still hope for the silver arrows
One would think the no Porposing would make them stronger overall.
The compromises they have made to eliminate porpoising has caused their other issues. Every action has a reaction, especially true with aerodynamic design
@@StackerNoobUK I dont think they have ever had porpoising so no compromise needed.
@@bjs7442 they had no porpoising due to making compromises early
porpoising comes from too much down force, maybe they never had enough
@@justice4g yeah because they don't even have any downforce to begin with....It just average car with high reliability...They didn't have any issue to be fix so they will never have dnf regularly unlike mercedes
I keep asking this and getting no answer.
Has the new rules fixed the close racing problem? Is F1 interesting to watch again?
Why don't they use radiators that are curved? Or even shaped like a cylinder? I was surprised to see how normal the radiator for an F1 car looked! Where is the enginuity!??
MAKE SCARBS RECORD AUDIO SEPARATELY!!!!
Call me dumb... but I always understood downforce to be beneficial to braking and corners accelerating out. Not to actual speed. As downforce robs horsepower?
Is it me or does that Miami circuit look really short? The back straight that looks really long on a track map is barely 500m long, which puts the rest of the circuit into perspective. The pit straight is as long as the pit straight at Silverstone.
You mean looks really shit.
@@mred5625 Yes.
They got their pace from Ferrari who had a DNF and an inchident gifting Lando with the 3rd
No one says they got the pace to be on the podium but they have improved massively over the last races. Without any incidents Lando would've been 5th wich is still a very strong result
I mean they said they had a great package but need to unlock their potential.
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Agree with Scarbs. It is a derivable car, but probably inherently slower than the others. In some ways, the opposite of Mercedes. Will be very interesting to see how these two teams handle their development over the course of the season. I am still hopeful of a Mercedes resurgence over the next couple of races. Also interesting to see that despite all the doom and gloom around the Merc PUs suddenly Merc powered cars are back in the top 10. Teaches one not to jump to conclusions based on a small sample.
I have that feeling McLaren is going to take a win this year!
If both RB and Ferrari retire, sure why not?
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They just need to have solid drive and expect both of team crashed up Infront like what happen in Monza last year...
@@alunesh12345 nobody cares
I can see them winning if Hungary 2020 happens again. Otherwise I don't think it's possible, even though I'd love to see it.