McLaren's 2023 Resurgence Has Been Remarkable
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It's impressive how Andrea Stella and Mika Hakkinen both called it at the start of the season and stood firm when people mocked it
Most people mocked them because it´s hard to find big gains in the middle of a season (and is even worse with the budget cap). The concept layout of James Key was right but the aero pieces were not, glad they improve this season but I think Mclaren must learn in 24/25 how to develop a car that can challenge RB for wins (like Merc in 2012/13 before the 2014 hybrid era).
If Mika speaks it’s probably not BS
Who the hell would mock Mika fucking Hakkinen
It's the same as when people laughed at Coulthard saying Vettel would win the championship with Red bull.
It's why you should never say never in racing.
A lot of people were clowning Piastri with the decision to go with McLaren. Very satisfying that he got his podium in his rookie season. Woopsies Alpine.
Imagine if Oscar finishes with more points than both Alpine drivers combined 😂.
@@gameofender4463the crazy thing with a bit of luck he could get his first F1 win in his rookie season and I think Lewis was the last person to do that I'm not 100% sure anyone will correct me if I'm wrong
@@Uzair_Of_Babylon465nahhh, that red bull is too much of a rocket
Alpine are a joke
@@Uzair_Of_Babylon465verstappen won on his rookie season last time i think
I think being in a trash car to start the season was a blessing in disguise because it reduced the pressure on him having to perform really well straight away. He was able to get used to driving in f1 before making that big step of fighting for podiums.
If people paid attention, McLaren did say at the start of the season, that the late regulation changes effected their development plans and that it would be a slow start for them to get where they expected to be in terms of gains. So basically, underneath the "tractor" was always a thoroughbred.
Ruego pq Mclaren llegue listo para competir de tu a tu en 2024-2025 con Red Bull. Seria el resurgir mas bonito de las ultimas decadas.
They have finally reached the point where they peaked a couple of seasons ago, now its a question weather or not they can surpass it
I can't remember them having the second fastest car. They already surpassed it
One thing I dont see anyone mention is the fact Mclaren is the only team that use the same pullrod / pushrod like the RedBull since the 2022 car (no one copied that concept for 23). Watching Mclaren improvement is clear is any team want to achieve the same ride height control than the RB then copying the suspension layout is a must.
2024 will be a great test for the team because the car will be develop under a new technical team + windtunnel and how good they are will set the tone for 2026 rules change challenge.
Not a suspension expert, but aren't push and pullrods functionally identical? I remember hearing it's mostly an aerodynamic choice
@vinno97 this is my understanding also, but I'm assuming its the aero that makes a difference on the suspension front, given how sensitive the upper/under floor and diffuser are to airflow.
I think this is the best video Aldas has made with writing & production quality.
I remember laughing like mad when mika hakkinen said mclaren would be biggest contenders to red bull but he actually called it 🤣🤣
"Even beating him on the odd occasion". If this video hadn't been uploaded before Qatar, that would go down as an all-time understatement. Oscar just looks better than Lando right now. Marginally, but still better.
I think 2025 will be their target to fight for a championship. In my opinion, 2024 will be more of a consistency year for them and get the car fixed. Consistency as in can they actually get in close to the top 3 every single race. I think even Lando said the current car is hard to drive despite being fast. If everything goes well, they'll probably be able to win a few a races in the beginning of 2024 before the Red Bulls dominate again.
I had my doubts about Stella. I was worried that Seidl - who at least seemed to be a major force behind the turnaround from 2018-2020 - I was worried that with him leaving, McLaren would slide back again. Then when they turned up to Bahrain so frigging slow, I thought they were destined to be backmarkers again. But Stella proved me wrong.
All I see are people passionate about racing. Legends who live and breathe racing. My favorite trio of F1 ever.
There is real potential in this rules set because they're the only team other than Red Bull to have the same suspension layout, they've copied Red Bull aero, they're bringing in a Red Bull chief of a technical department. They've also got a Ferrari leader there and bringing in another one. Let's hope these minds can free flow great ideas and not be stifled by a matrix management structure as the Ron Dennis way was. Let's also hope they also work well together. Finally, they've gotta start cooking with that wind tunnel and simulation and have good correlation which is something Andrea Stella said they worked on this year. Mika Hakkinen sounded like a madman when he said it but I saw some truth in his words and now it's there for all to see. Let's also hope the car is easier to drive for a couple of different driving styles.
Its funny if they went with this concept from the start of the year they might have been closer to Ferrari already.
I'm yet again impressed by your educated and intelligent views, research and takes on the sport. Even after watching you for several years now
I am always impressed by your narration & connecting the dots. Fantastic video.
Much as I want as many teams as possible to be fighting for the championships next year, and much as I genuinely believe that both McLaren and Mercedes stand the best chance at doing it, we would do well to remember that Red Bull have been working on next year's car for ages.
They've already won the team championship thanks to that awesome car, and thanks to one of the most gifted drivers I've seen since Lewis joined F1 (there are other potential champs, Lando & Oscar included, but Max and Lewis are, IMHO, two of the greatest natural talents ever seen. Note, I didn't say _the_ greatest; you can't compare different eras, it's not a reasonable comparison. Neither am I going to list every 21st century champ. You know who the greats are).
I believe that those two teams in particular, possibly others (but I don't feel it quite so strongly), will be noticeably better at the start of 2024 than they were at the start of this one. They'll be making giant - in F1 terms - leaps towards the front and I _do_ expect to see "proper wins" (i.e. hard fought ones, not ones relying on the RBs blowing a gasket or weird conditions, etc), but I think we'll have to settle for the odd wins (occasional, not peculiar). I honestly think Max will get his 4th championship in a row next year and potentially number 5 in '25.
After that, it's the next set of new regs, and one team will get them right and will undoubtedly run away with both championships. Which team & driver that will be is anyone's guess, but this is what the history of F1 has _always_ been like since it started.
Don't hammer McLaren in particular if they do well but not well enough. Remember what they'll most likely (99% chance IMHO) be up against. Getting a few wins, especially for Lando given his shorter contract, will have to be enough for now.
Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁👍
Lando would be crazy to go to red bull to be an number 2.
He should only go if he can being his own engineers and guarantee an equal car imo. One of the many problems for Perez is he has B choice of engineers to help him set up each weekend, affecting his ability to get the car into the operating window.
The competition to be the second fastest car this year has been so close, it's just a shame about the competition to be fastest
Great detailed vid! I didn't consider mclarens history of this
Oscar “Replaceable” Piastri had Lando over a barrel all weekend at Spa. 😎
Watching 2 ads was not enough, had to watch go thru another one for the video. Great
It's just so fun to see some resurgance that even hard to replicate in video games.
Mark Webber is nobody's fool, it was no accident Piastri got sent in McLaren's direction
Nice to see pastry on max’s podcast
I think if lando gets a good car he could be a serious title contender
I think saying mclaren need to be a contender next year is somewhat unfair. There's teams that have been trying to do that all year, and the fact that mclaren surpassed them all already merits a lot of praise, but their aim next year really should be to be at the front of these teams trying to close the gap. Saying they should be contenders is a step too far considering red bull are miles ahead and still improving further.
I honesty did not think they could do it without the great Ron Dennis!
But as far as I know they have.
Fookin great
Really good video but why is vikkstar in the mclaren launch i legit forgot about that. 😂😂😂
I think with lando looking at the red bull no 2 seat i think it would happen that oscar steps up as no.1 and drugovich or pourchaire or maybe even someone else could come in
It would be fun, but with McLaren's current momentum, I doubt Norris would join Red Bull
How do you know Norris is looking at the red bull seat ? 0 sense in leaving now
I couldnt stop smiling while watching this. Such a massive fan of mclaren
Maybe I'm wrong(I probably am) but we have seen resurgence like this from McLaren before.
They have been the second or third best car for some races since 2021. I'll not be convinced of their resurgence till I see them fight for the victory for a few races in the season.
In fairness they actually lost pace in the second half of 2021
Great video, however the clicking noise with transitions was really distracting. I like listening to these videos in the background or when trying to sleep and it just doesn't work when I hear a pretty loud click every couple of seconds.
They need to start 2024 on the right foot and can’t fall backwards again.
We have the exact same profile picture
I am a little bit concerned for them next season considering they went backwards in 22 got quicker went backwards 23 and got quicker I hope they don’t do the same next year
I don’t think we will. We have a good base under us, understand the car, and we have a good team structure. And they told us we would be slow to start the season
For some reason, i think piastri will win a race before lando. I don't know why i think that though
I would love Piastri to win a race before Norris, but Norris is just the more complete package right now, and is just so consistently good on race day. With Norris getting so many 2nd place finishes, all it would take now would be some problem for Max on race day and there you have it; Norris wins his first F1 race.
@MaxFromSydney1 that's the logical way to think. However, i have an insanely good gut feeling and my gut feeling just tells me that when max does screw up, lando is somehow also gonna screw up and finish 2nd behind piastri (i'm actually not kidding here. I have a best friend who doesn't want to tell me about certain things until after it happens because he's scared of what my gut feeling is going to tell him. These are his personal life events that do not involve me, so i'm not sad about it, and he tells me everything in the end)
@@MaxFromSydney1i agree, however as time goes on it'll be more 50/50 on who would win if opportunity arises, as piastri becomes a more complete driver.
I get the gut feeling, afterall 95% of total body serotonin is produced in the gut, but there's also some sense or logic in the idea Piastri could win before Lando. Lando is currently the better more complete and consistent driver, however, Piastri is still extremely talented and has demonstrated the capability to outperforming Lando on occasions, not yet consistently, but in the right conditions or situation he is perfectly capable of upsetting Lando, and that may just be for the first win.
I'm sure Christian would love to have Lando with Max unless Max retires early
teams have asperations - there are 9 other teams all with the same asperations. Sure Lando will move on at the end of contract if not a championship team, but its more about being competitive than winning trophy. Mclaren dont disolve if Lando leaves you know. They will sign another driver - and any car that is regular podium contender is going to get people wanting to go there. The Board want the car up at the front end - thats what matters.
All for nothing if they not winning next year? All for nothing? Says who, from whos perspective?
Personally I hope RB goes for Liam Lawson. Max is 26 and a veteran by now. Liam could be the next big thing in F1 and a worthy successor of Max when he retires (my guess is when he's 30). Christian basicely promissed Liam a seat for 2025.
Its that same guy in 2007 that was that same guy Lewis guy who beat the guy who beat the guy
Bro change your background music now been a while
I liked his previous background music more
I think 2024 if they fubble the bag they will be called the more higher alpine merchant
No way McLaren to fight for the title without dedicated engine supplier.
red bull has a definite stench. A smell that never goes away.
Whenever people say Lewis never drove a bad car i shake my head cuz i know they either don't know much of his career or they're pushing agendas as one of his detractors. That 2009 mclaren was garbage especially for a team coming off a WDC win the previous year.
Whilst there are genuine detractors etc (not only against Lewis) and straight out trolls, not everyone is ignorant or pushing agendas. F1 also attracts a sizable cohort of passionate followers with seemingly extreme views and opinions on drivers and teams etc, some more nutty and on the fringe than others. Often they excessively love or hate (or even love to hate) particular drivers and are very vocal of their support or distain in comments sections, brarracking or sledging like they would at a footy final; in most cases with no actual malice or ill intent. It's almost like a sport within the F1 sport, an artist form of hyperbolic expression and vaudevillian performance, a joining in with the metaphorical F1 circus, that all are free to play.
why the hell was vikkstar on stage at the launch 😂🫶🏼
who tf begins a video with a 1 min add
Hardly remarkable when all they have done is copy RB
Is Hamilton losing his edge with time? The Qatar race is his second clumsy incident in recent races, where he was fully to blame. Could it be that being too forward in the cockpit distorts his judgment of the placement of the car, Cos he talks about problems with his cockpit.
Well if they achieved the impossible yet again, its not quite impossible is it then haha
2004 would of been a better equivalent of what their going through right now. In 04 McLaren started nowhere exactly like this year and by mid season they were podium contenders with the b-spec car even winning in Spa. In 09 Lewis was on for a podium the very first race which got taken away from him.
That 04 McLaren was just as fragile and weak as the car they started with this year.
You are correct! I remember that the introduction of the MP4/19 B in magny cours made an impact similarly to the updated Mcl60. Back then Mclaren failed to score points and even when they did score they were being lapped by the Ferrari almost every race
Them dumping Danny gave them extra energy wasted on making the car make up for his lack of skill set was the best move.
Riccardo has not even earned a bit of being mentioned as a #2 at RBR. Proven nothing since he came back.
Happy for McLaren. Hoping they can battle for wins etc. But, and I know this is unpopular. I don’t think they have the drivers to do it atm.
Oscar has massive potential and can be a WDC. But he’s got to improve with his tyres etc. But I’m confident he can do it.
And as for Norris. I’m still yet to see that “spark” of a champion. He’s good definitely. But I think he’s not as ruthless as Max or George.
And is quite content with where he is. Think a much, much better version of Stroll.
"He's good definitely."
Nice to see your opinion of him has improved.
@@henrrryyyyI always said he was good. I just never bought and still don’t buy him being as good as Max or George. And certainly not as ruthless.
I'm glad someone else feels this way, I feel the same way about Leclerc too honestly, him and Norris are solid but I think that's it.
@@samuelsabo9493Completely agree with Charles. He’s very good, especially in quali. And Norris is better in the races between those two.
But I don’t see either of them defeating George and Max on equal terms. As Max and George have shown they are ruthless in giving it everything to win.
Does that mean they might make a mistake? Sure. But they’ll be winning a lot more.
@@gameofender4463 i couldn't agree more, I genuinely don't understand why so many people hate on Russell/ rate him below Norris
Tut, tut... McLaren weren't the "reigning champions", Hamilton did win the WDC in 2008 alright but the reigning WCC champion was Ferrari.
It's not that hard.....step 1 copy Red Bull design, step 2....well there is no step 2 that's all you have do. Everyone saw how bad McLaren was when they designed their own car. Is it a coincidence that when the "redesigned" McLaren came out it was instantly better. If it was an actual evolution of McLaren's original car than why was the original car so bad. I mean it literally went from the back to the front grid.
They havent even wona race yet...lol
They haven't one yet...
Shows how far you can get when copying Red Bull more than other teams have. McLaren Orange Bull.
They havent copied RB. The suspension setup just happened to be the same as RB as it came out at the same time. The rest of the body is similar and always has been but subtly different but as the RB is most effective all teams will get closer to RB
Come pls do research how to pronouce names the way you are pronouncing Heikki is just…
30 seconds of ads before the video starts, then a 1 minute paid / affiliate marketing promo to stay the video. What a joke man…
Mclaren copied Redbull that's it