Guess what? Not everyone in the fitness industry is on steroids, nor is everyone simply out to make the most money possible. Just because you got burned doesn't mean that everyone making progress in the gym or anyone bigger than you is on something. Some are. Some aren't. And if your standards are low, you're going to be wrong a LOT of the time. These types of videos really do a lot of damage. It's OK to be skeptical (even of me) but it's very easy for the skepticism to cross into cynicism and low standards. These types of echo chambers such as the "natty or juice" section on Reddit will ABSOLUTELY limit your progress as a beginner. I can't imagine where I'd be if I had stumbled across that type of content as a beginner lifter...I probably would have given up, or thought that 16" arms were my limit. I actually agree with a lot of Revival's points, and if I had to decide if someone was natural or not, many of them are solid metrics. But so often people see a picture or video, often under good lighting, when lean, with a pump, and flexing, and decide IN ADVANCE of using any other metrics that they are not natural. They then try to reverse engineer the "carefully thought out system" to explain their emotional beliefs. Oh, he doesn't have a strong 1 rep max on the lifts I do! Oh, he does more volume/intensity/frequency than me, how does he recover? Did you ever consider that those two statements EXPLAIN each other? But no, it's right to "Must be on drugs!" Ultimately, Revival has plausible deniability here, but he's made his opinion known in the comment section several times. I don't care whether you think I am natural, but I do care about the pathetic blackpilled messaging that keeps anyone watching your videos small, and smallminded.
If you colorize half of those bronze era people and upload a cropped photo, almost everyone will say that person isn't natty. I once saw a post where people were absolutely certain that Luisita Leers wasn't natural not realizing that would have been impossible. People are just so convinced everyone is on gear, and I don't understand why.
@@verablack3137 Yes he had a female content creator in his video that he said isn't natural, but he has even less of a clue about what is possible for women naturally than men.
@@GVSmaybe you can confirm my curiosity, is revival fitness the one natural hypertrophy is referring to when he says a certain youtuber makes his voice deeper on purpose ive always thought he was talking about revival but I can't be sure
About the whole weak for your size thing don't u think ur big three would go way up if u started powerlifting but see here's the thing if my goal was to bean overall strong guy I'd do body guiding with some strongman style training thrown in there I think strongman really develops way more overall strength in your body where as powerlifting is very focused on movement patterns
he also found that gym mirror that makes you looks 2x as wide and takes all of his pics there under extreme lighting and ups to structure filter to 100 lmaoo
it's possible he's still natural but a part of me feels like he's already on the juice. if he isn't then he's definitely going to be in the very near future. that's essentially what he's getting at with the outro he had.
ever since revival said that all natty lifters want to use steroids and the only reason they arent is cause they are afraid of needles made me lose respect for him.
So what he is basically saying is he is scared of needles or doesn't trust any of the sources to obtain it, whilst hiding behind some type of shield of morality whilst being secretly jealous of others juicing
its literally true. all you gym bros want is to get big as possible for no reason. you spend hours watching videos on how. probably to make up for some insecurity
@@ISHIDDEDANDFARDEDmeh,ice cream fitness is based of reg park’s program bro,it is pretty good as a beginner template regardless of what you think of coath.
Kinda sucks you're still being called out for this stuff, but hey it's a compliment! (Kinda). Also really stupid that people STILL think you're weak. I pointed this out previously, your lifts across the board are well above average and very appropriate for your development when we take into account volume, form, rep range etc Keep pushing Geoffrey, you're smashing it 🫡💪
I don't care what some old 1RM data says, a dude who can bench 240 4x10 without bouncing or bridging is pretty fucking strong. If he actually decided to change his training toward producing a strong 1RM I have no doubt he'd hit something in the 300s at the very least.
This no joke, not even whipping out your balls will prove that youre natural. I once had some coworkers who were convinced i was on steroids and they challenged me to show them my balls to prove i wasnt. I said that i would, and their response was, if theyre normal sized that just means you used to have huge balls.
Its actually a weird coincidence that you brought that up cause i recently told that story in the comments on another video, i think by FreakyD, when i hadnt even thought about it in years.
If anyone has ever bought GVS book, you will understand why his results are the way they are, I only started training actually hard since I came across this channel, and actually used controlled eccentric with proper form throughout, it is not a surprise that you will get better results if you become better focused. Salute to GVS for responding in this manner too.
Not a huge fan of them on specific people, no...I don't see how anyone could say with certainty if someone was natural or not...and if it was obvious then a video isn't needed in the first place. I think often they do more harm than good, especially if the creator has low standards. Anyway, this isn't a natty or not, it's a debunking of one.
Nope, keep exposing. I dont keep up anymore, though. Why do u care? About protecting potential lierrs, so hard is my question, lol. Ppl called me not natty, but it doesn't bother me one bit If im not on.
I'm fine with calling out the egregious cases especially if they're deliberately leading people astray but when it's just throwing even people with natty-achievable physiques under the bus for the sake of clicks it dilutes the meaning of it and leads to a "boy who cried wolf" apathy about the entire thing.
That ending was EPIC! I watched this guy about 2 years ago (not regularly), but stopped rather quickly when it was clear that he has a lot of maturing to do. (same with Greg Doucette)
Same here🙋🏻 stopped watching and unsubscribed when he started projecting "anyone stronger than me but is smaller than me is on Gear" now he's projecting "anyone who's bigger than me but is weaker than me is on roids".😁
I still can't process the fact that EF did the whole video with invisible lat syndrome keeping his shoulders flared to the side and cropped the video to hide it...
Tbh I'm genuinely surprised that he didn't include 'if they like anime/ lift in anime shirts' just from watching a few of his recent videos, he either doesnt like lifters who like anime or view lifters who like anime as 'red flagish'. Out of the things RF says this by far the most bizarre 😂
That’s insulting considering I lift and have enjoyed my fair share of anime content tho ever since stumbling onto Attack On Titan and it’s horrendous story telling and characters and not to mention their brain dead fans on Twitter and their echo chambers, I took a hiatus from anime and manga cos of how much brain rot and depression I got from all of it and instead went back to gaming and revisited retro games from the 90s to early 2000s and dayum were they as fun as I remembered them
@@jakesustarsic533When he makes fun of people using the word hypertrophy and calling people “hypertrophycels” it’s pretty clear he’s still seething over NH after all this time
@@shteatinggrinhe is spitting fax tho? the ones getting triggered about “ hypertrophycel” are the ones seething,it’s literally the definition of that 😂
People definitely underestimate what is naturally achievable, and like to put limits on themselves AND others(i.e., 'genetic limit') without actually intelligently designing programs, training/eating properly, and nailing recovery, while those who have nailed the process continue to progress.
To be honest, RF got big - particularly in the natty fitness community - off of his Doucette call out video but kind of never really had a ton to offer his audience beyond that (to be clear that callout video was generally great in that no one had so effectively organized the specific contradictions within Greg's "fluid" definition of maingaining up until that point). I think there's value in fitness content coming from people at all different stages in their journey - even if its something as simple as the encouragement for a newbie that comes from watching another newbie make the same journey - but its worth being more conscious about whether this particular person is the best source for what you're looking for And as pretty young intermediate bodybuilder - without either education or extensive "on the ground" experience - maybe RF isn't the one people should be looking to for high level programming advice or insight into what is or isn't possible in the long run
Best part of this video = someone finally pushed back solidly and articulately on this "everyone is on" narrative. The worst part of this video = you alerted a few folks to the existence of revival fitness. Such is life. I know you're not the guy, but perhaps NatHyp can do a kind of breakdown on the possible psychological goings-on of revival. Appreciate the dude for going heavy and actually doing a show, but those efforts don't excuse his continued "they're all on something" approach to on-line fitness content.
Natural Hypertrophy already dunked on this fool a year ago. But as far as speculating on his psychological reasons for believing these things, he says what is plain to see: Revival Fitness wants to hop on gear and is trying to justify it to himself and his audience. That's why he projects so hard.
Honestly, there is a lot of material for NH to make a series on. Could be over 10 episodes. Also would be a very good case study on an insecure narcissist who projects his insecurities on other people (or atleast that is what I think RF is) Would help people recognise similar people in their lives.
Revival was the creator who made me initially stop spinning my wheels doing the next flashy exercise by worshipping athlean x and I learned to progress with the basics but good god sometimes he sounds so blackpilled and he even gives doomer dating advice now which makes me wince
It's clear there's psychological reasons involved with that dude, I mean he did that entire video with his arms flared out and is denying it to those who call him out
18:01, your instagram stories are honestly helping me so much. They are like tuning into a conversation with a friend who shares his day with you and helped me to get motivated and definetly tought me new things.
Yea, but his videos are getting worse and worse and more and more biased every day it seems. I only really watch him occasionally to see how much crazier he is getting on a monthly basis.
@@kimborampageI think in this context, king was meant more of as a compliment rather than idol worship. Its meaning has kind of been watered down as of late.
Dude got mogged by Basement Bodybuilding in the big lifts and decides to gatekeep the status of a bodybuilder. RV's mental gymnastics is insane at this point Sad to see him slowly become Greg Doucette and Stench Coath Blahino for a bit
@@slee2695 I think it was when Basement made a short because RF called the noble natties weak (or so I think, I may be misremembering) so he completely mogged him in the bench and deadlift.
Dude, after this video I had to click on the bell icon. I have been removing a lot channels from my subscription list so this is considered a tremendous honor in my culture!
I like RF overall, but that “most of you natties would turn to roids if you weren’t scared of needles or knew where to get them” was no doubt his single greatest L take of all time. As you implied, he was literally just describing why he doesn’t use them.
@@Skygooose its surprising how he rides the line of incel content without quite admitting to it. He's managed to stay just a single video away from "hit me up for a customised dating plan"
17:30 This is SUCH a relevant point. I remember beefing with Revival Fitness in the comments section of one of his videos. He was all but calling you a fake natty in the comments, so I pushed back on that. He said you had every incentive to grow your outreach as big as possible. I pointed out the fact that your channel only had ~130k subs, and that Revival was speaking as if you weren’t a very niche fitness influencer to begin with. I also pointed out that your actions really didn’t align with why fake natties take drugs to begin with, which is a motive to commodify and extract as much money from their image as possible. If GVS were interested in growing his outreach first and foremost, don’t you think he would make drama videos, clickbait his natty status, do collabs with other normie fitness influencers, make vlog content, take every sponsorship and brand deal under the sun, and of course, make natty or not videos? Is GVS the *one* fake natty who doesn’t act like every other fake natty in history? Or is GVS indeed natural and looking out for the best interest of the natural lifting community? Of course, when I brought all this up to Revival, he never responded lmao. Goes to show you where this guy’s priorities are. I wonder why he won’t just call Alex Leonidas or Natural Hypertrophy fake natties as well. I guess going after Alex would make him look terrible, and he doesn’t want to get sent to the shadow realm by the baguette man once again.
RF is unfortunately a big bag of cope who very clearly projects a lot of his own feelings of failure and insecurity onto others in the industry to somehow justify his own lack of knowledge, experience, and progress. The guy creates an echo chamber in the comments of his videos & promotes bullying of any dissenting views of what he says. He should focus on keeping an open mind to keep learning something new every day from those like GVS, NH, Basement Bodybuilding, myself, and many others who have been doing this longer than him and are more successful than him, instead of trying to paint everyone else as bad, wrong, or as a fake natty if they’ve done better than him in the gym personally and/or professionally. Great response Geof, think you handled it well & the points made were very reasonable and helpful to your viewers. Wishing RF all the best, & still hoping he can find his way back one day from the “dark side” of the fitness industry.
@@burritodog3634 I’m actually very happy with how my channel has done to date. 24 videos and 4.6k subscribers are numbers most channels would love to achieve, and I’m very proud of that. Quality content speaks for itself, and I’ve helped a lot of people along the way. Unfortunately I haven’t made a video in some time due to some personal reasons, but I’ll be back soon. 💪👍
I knew dude was weird when he made a video about how dudes should be embarrassed if any woman in the gym is stronger than them. Makes sense that he would obsessively track and evaluate other people's progress, dude has zero self esteem.
He is constantly comparing himself to others. He has a lot of blatant insecurities that he should address if he wants to grow in all aspects of his life before he hops on the juice.
I totally agree with the 1RM strength on the big 3 lifts and the ability to do high volume while making gains. If you dont train for 1RM strength as a goal, your numbers will appear to be less impressive. Also, some people just have work horse genetics that respond well to high volume. Respect to GVS. AWESOME content awesome physique
So it seems that Revival has gone full black pill is this true? I don't like Revival anymore and I unsubbed as soon as he shadow banned my account. I called him out on being black-pilled awhile back.
What did he shadow ban you for? Can you even do that on RUclips? Does that mean your comments are hidden / don’t appear? He’s probably done it to me as I called him out for his “cope” in reply to some of his comments on the video he made after getting dumped for trying to deal with a shallow woman who he wasn’t rich enough for Do you mean he is black pilled from a fitness stand point ? Relationships ? Life ? He releases quite a few black pill videos about women. One of which actually had black pill in the title and he took it down I saw a video where he claims to get plenty of action with women but his attitude and demeanour makes me struggle to believe it. As well as his posts about “gymcels” and the like. Now maybe he is just trying to help people who sub to him. But I can’t help but think he either doesn’t get much attention at all or doesn’t get it from who he wanted /hoped to
@@gm9460Simple really its for calling him black-pilled. Yes is exactly what happened to me since I don't get replies anymore on that channel since I don't anyone can see my comments now. All of it actually he is full on black-pilled likely due to where he lives. Oh dear its even worse than I thought. Yeah he isn't getting what he wanted from his channel that is for sure.
@@gm9460yeah you can hide users comments from showing on your channel but sometimes RUclips just removes them you can find out if you just log into another account and see if your comments appear
Hi Gef, I always thought you over emphasized how so many gym goers don't know what true failure is. So I told my friend who has been lifting 2-3 years about the phrase you say often "gun to your head could you get another rep?" and a week later he claims it's all he thinks about each set and that it's helped his training greatly. So I guess you were right, probably a good thing to mention this frequently.
The issue i have with revival fitness is that he self projects a lot. He has opinions that are largely based on his own goals and he holds everyone else to that standard. He generally has an attitude where if you disagree with him, then you're wrong, no room for nuance. There's ways to be right without acting like an asshole, and it's easy to go against him because of that attitude.
I did 2 very small cycles in my early 20’s. Haven’t touched anything in 25 years. However…..the gains I made 25 years ago are still with me today. On a cycle of test enanthate for 30 days, I grew traps, NEVER lost them. I did 30 tablets of Anadrol 50, gained 22lbs in 35 days. NEVER LOST THE GAINS. My point is that gear “breaks your mold”. You will never be the same again. Fast forward today, I am 5’10” 197, 17” arms, wide capped shoulders, small waist, good legs, lean. I would NOT look like I do today at 52 had I not experimented in my 20’s. I can stand next to ANYONE my age and fade them, as well as guys half my age. I have been natty for 25 years and can claim “currently natty” but the gains I made 25 years ago still have people accusing me of ACTIVELY using.
@@jmgonzales7701 I watched a vid a few months back from a guy who calls himself Lethal Thurman. Older guy like me who been around the game a long time.,he also stated a 200lbs, sub 15% body fat, 5”10” or less man is a rare physique. Sure, some genetic freaks will accomplish this natty, but not many. Think elite NFL type dudes, for the rest of us, we might need some help.💪
GVS - I don't know your status but it's about Bayesian priors and inference to the best explanation. The probability that a "fitness influencer" is on gear has to be the default one. Think about it. If one by default assumes that these influencers are natty, probabilistically you will be wrong more times than correct. The inverse assumption will be correct more times than it is wrong. Appreciate if you are natty and it annoys you folks suggesting otherwise but as one of the more intelligent people in this space I am sure you can understand the basic reasoning I have outlined. Btw your books etc are really good.
"While in Bayesian statistics the prior probability is used to represent initial beliefs about an uncertain parameter" As for as I can tell...initial. Not final. This is why if someone who knows nothing about me sees one video and assumes I'm on something, I don't really mind that. However, when someone who has known about my training history, knowledge, consistency, lack of side effects, reasonable progression, etc etc for years still assumes that, it is a lot less excusable. If you take into account ALL of the factors and look at them, it shifts the likelihood a lot. Vitruvian physique did a good video on this highlighting the additional information that is helpful in assigning likelihood of natural status. Ultimately, the assumption that everyone is on is heavyhanded, wrong and limiting. We can be more nuanced than an assumption of 100% guilt.
You are the best fitness youtuber Ive seen. You and Renesainse periodisation second best, and most funniest, are the best on youtube. I watched the outro 10 times
He's right, though. It's impossible to know if someone's on PEDs or not. Making a 20-minute video response justifying not being on gear does not prove you're not on gear. I'm not saying you are; I don't believe you are. Regardless, it's factual that it's impossible to know whether someone is taking PEDs or not.
Revival baffles me honestly - he had his time with dietary advice, and of the fitness influencers to critique Greg Douchette he remains one of the best to ever do it in my view - however he now spends his time picking absurd battles with people and being an all around bitter cynical bloke. At the end of the day if he wants to remain a stagnant channel and become an industry lolcow, thats his perogative. I wouldn't want to do that personally if i was in his position 😂
RF is a kid with a camera at the end of the day. The real unfortunate thing about it is that, as you said, because this is the internet, he will influence some minds with his special brand of being an abrasive, cynical hater.
Very well put Tom. He is very immature for sure and definitely doesn’t have a growth mindset at all. Unfortunately he does hold some influence over a number of young impressionable minds who know even less than him. His abrasive cynical ways definitely rub me the wrong way for so many reasons…..
Unfortunate sign of the times pretty much. The Black Pilled types joining the gym to better their life is great and we should welcome them and try to lift them up, but it's annoying when you start having them on the creator side feeding into that mindset to keep them in that negative cycle instead of sticking to what is supposed to be the point of those kinds of kids getting into the gym (or any other active hobby)- to help them build a more positive feedback mindset so they can improve other parts of their lives as well. The irony of Revival Fitness talking about how people are liars, sellouts, only out to make a buck etc. is that he is obviously targeting and cultivating a specific subset of cynical fans that just want to hear their confirmation bias repeated back to them.
@@The-Blurst-Of-Times man, you hit the nail square on the noggin. It’s a very bizarre phenomenon, but a sign of the times indeed. Also, love your photo and handle 🤣🙈
re: compound lifts: i recently added the powerlifting moves back into my routine because i enjoy doing them and i want into increase my overall strength… i had to cut significant effort off my other workouts in my week plan because my tendons and ligaments are sore from the compound lifts. if you don’t love these exercises or compete in them, feel free to skip them for hypertrophy! i did get a lot stronger on these lifts, though
Yep they have a fairly high recovery cost, and require upkeep to progress on for sure. But hey, if you enjoy them and getting better at them is a goal, totally cool!
In my opinion, Revival Fitness’s first way to spot a fake natty is somewhat true. Letting your fans know you’re natural and responding to people who accuse you of not being natural every now and then is fine. However, if you’re like Tanner Shuck and say “I’m natural” in the first five minutes of every video, then I’m gonna assume the opposite because influencers who are actually natural don’t feel the need to constantly remind their audience.
@@BasedAsher also if you’re a natural lifter who feels the need to respond to every god damn parasite who accuses you of being a fake natty, you need thicker skin because that is embarrassing as fuck.
Tanner Shuck looks like a jacked natty, and definitely has put in the work, but yeah, he definitely leans into the "I'm natural" schtick suspiciously too often, almost like he's trying to convince himself. Then the video of him snorting Viagra pre-workout (yes, actually snorting Viagra on camera) really didn't do him any favors.
@@jmgonzales7701 im not sure, but I’ve had this thought, just a feeling. But he mentioned having done sunbed and stuff so maybe the redness comes from that and he just has rounded shoulders. I don’t wish him to be on it tbh and would prefer to be wrong
Currently I'm training at home but, when I went to the gym (medium-sized), I mogged most people there after only a few months, with the exception of ~5-8 veterans. Then again, I started as an adult, at 36, and had plenty of blubber (124 kg at the start, 100 kg ~10 months later) to fuel my newbie gains, plus I was always fairly strong. That said, not only am I natty, my T levels easily place me in the hypogonadism category (I'm talking fifteen/seven times less than normal levels; thankfully I've mostly avoided the really bad side-effects, presumably because I respond very well to what little I do have). My only real advantage is that I can train to my heart's content, since I took 1-2 years off from any serious work commitments in order to build my physique. From this, I conclude that most people either don't know how to train properly, don't put in serious effort, or both. Also, while I was highly interested in TRT to get back to a non-defective state, I've since decided against it. There are some low-T mental issues that still slightly bother me, but they've lessened a lot after nearly a year of lifting - it's even possible my T levels have slowly improved, though it might just be general better fitness/health. Regardless, I LIKE the idea that I'm at a disadvantage. Let the rest play on easy mode, I've always enjoyed the challenge of playing on hard difficulty. Plus, it makes my PRs and physique achievements all the sweeter. All the best from Romania!
@@Verbux Thank you. I've actually lost 34 kg's by this point and things are going well. PR's are still plentiful. I haven't noticed any major low-T signs for a while now and suspect my levels have stabilized to an at least adequate state for my sensitivity, if not at normal levels. Will check in a few months. Turns out training regularly over a long period of time heals your body and promotes hormonal recovery. I feel and look like I'm in my early 30s rather than 38. Working out seriously was the best decision I've ever made.
"wasnt as much his physique as it was ... the tomato" 🤣🤣 literally crackin up. Ur comedic timing is GOLD and you just casually sprinkle it in like 10 minutes into a 20min video and I LOVE IT! 😁
Geoff with your case there simply isn't enough red flags. People always attack your squat/bench/deadlift and nothing else. With VitruvianPhysique people always attack his acne which is a genetic situation.
This reminds me of how people confuse cynicism with realism with superheroes lol. Everybody says that Evil Superman is a realistic one and that someone with powers like Superman can't be raised with good morals but it is a very stupid argument because there are plenty of people IRL who are in positions of power (financially) and go around to help the world. “Cynicism masquerades as wisdom, but it is the farthest thing from it. Because cynics don’t learn anything. Because cynicism is a self-imposed blindness, a rejection of the world because we are afraid it will hurt us or disappoint us.” ― Stephen Colbert
Name one of these "rich person in power who go around to help the world". Every single strategist in the history of mankind from warfare to geopolitics was a Cynic & Realist. Idealism is moronic.
Yes and it is the reason that Superman is seen as this boring character, because he is too good. It doesn't help the fact that people nowadays idolize omni man and homelander. It shows the kind of morals people have nowadays. This overglorification of characters like homelander not only tell us that people nowadays have weak morals but the fact they have already given up.
People who have used gear and have been around gear users for 20+ years have a good eye for this stuff; the vast majority of people doing this as a career (such as OP) have or are using.
The vast majority of people who are worrying about the natural limit have no reason to. If you have your training, diet, stress management and sleep in order, you can achieve any goal within reason. It really only matters if you want to become a (natural) bodybuilding champion. But then you will also know, if you are an outlier. When Urs Kalecinski, Wesley Vissers and Cbum posted their peak natty pics, I believed them and still do. Spit the black pill out and go hard. And test levels and age are also overrated.
Yeah if you're not even competing with anyone beside your past self then why the stressing out over a "natty limit"? Just like how I'm not going to get on a platform and powerlift for a crowd so I don't care if my strength is currently behind some arbitrary standards as long as my health and physique are still improving. As for test levels that's only one part of the equation as well, your actual sensitivity to testosterone matters greatly and is why we see many "low-T" people who still get better results than many who have high T levels even.
It is in fact a moral issue, when they lie about it to gain money and influence. And then if they on top of that give you bullshit advice that won’t give you results… we’ll it’s a moral issue. Thankfully we got you Alex leonidas etc. 🙏🏻
I think Natty or Nots were the biggest reason back in the day (and even now) why natural lifters have such low standards of themselves. Guys like Doucette, Phillion etc. making generalist statements like "YOU CAN NEVER ACHIEVE" etc. I think the Noble Natties have done a good job in upping the standards of what you can do, but there'll always be guys like this who think being natural = being weak and skinny.
I'm tempted to do a natty or not on ALL the guys that MPMD/Greg/Phillion did videos on just to share the perspective of an advanced natural lifter. A lot of the guys they think were on I feel very differently about.
Greg has impossibly low standards for the average person and I find it incredibly irritating. The genetics claim has no explanatory power. These people aren’t geneticists and there’s no identifiable gene sequence which is responsible for an individuals potential. There’s a plethora of Comorbid factors that each contribute to an individuals baseline, potential and rate of progression which can’t be gleaned by observation alone. The best approximation from that standpoint is garnered from evaluating a persons frame. It’s all reverse engineered through observing the general population, which do not know appropriate programming/periodization, dietary practices or often possess the motivation to achieve greater goals. The genetics argument can be applied fallaciously to any discipline, and needlessly rejects the massive role environment plays. It’s bizarrely deterministic without the framework to justify it.
And the average person can become extraordinary through effort. Heck, even below average people can become extraordinary relative to the average person because most people don’t try very hard. This applies to nearly everything like intelligence. Perhaps you don’t have the raw processing power of someone gifted at learning, but through hard work you can overcome the disparity and often surpass them. Many gifted people never learn to overcome adversity which cripples their development later in life.
I also have to add that the expression of one’s genes can change over the course of their life based on how they interact with their environment. For some reason epigenetics aren’t ever considered in this discussion. I don’t imagine that it has a very substantial impact but “genetics” aren’t some static monolith.
@@nicksmith4244 "Many gifted people never learn to overcome adversity which cripples their development later in life." I've seen quite a few times when gifted people burned out because they were cruising on easy mode for much of their early life only to find they were a big fish in a small pond, I was one of them. For example I never had to learn how to study and when I got to classes that actually started challenging me I got overwhelmed as I could no longer just effortlessly absorb the info and ace tests while those who had struggled for years and learned how to study properly to keep up ended up blowing by me. It was some time before I recovered from that and learned how to actually apply myself properly, some never do and are just bitter that they "peaked" so early in life.
Or they might genuinely just have a skin condition lol. Like yeah if someone conveniently suddenly breaks out a shitload of backne the same time they gained like 30 lbs of muscle then yeah that's kinda sus but it's not as if eczema/psoriasis etc. aren't overall relatively common conditions for people to have.
People get on my nerves when they ask me how much I can bench press for 1 repetition! My goal is to be able to progress in weight with 5 repetitions and I don't understand why people are convinced that you have progressed only if you have increased the weight in one repetition. If 2 months ago you lifted 100 kilos on the bench for one repetition, and after 2 months you managed to do 10 repetitions with those 100 kilos, you have become stronger! And I don't mean CNS adaptation to the movement because my comment is about people who have been working out for a while and using the same movements they want to progress in for months or years.
One typical thing i noticed with steroid users and which i would say is the best tell-tale sign is that their muscularity seem to increase exponentially whilst losing bodyfat at the same time and it happens fast to where they get a grainy, veined, flushed, ripped look with 3d delts within just a couple of months, yet all throughout this process the amount of effort and intensity expended was relatively small. Also they likely, in most cases, didn't need to be in a good deal of calorie surplus. They might aswell have taken in their daily requirement and not single gram of carb more. And an addition to that; the God awful stupid unnecessary grunting while doing their fluff and pump. So yes in general this one is the hallmark for the roided gymrat.
I still remember something Greg Doucette said that stuck with me. "YOU DON'T GET A SPECIAL AWARD FOR BEING NATURAL" The sad reality of pro bodybuilding.
Dude got mogged by Basement Bodybuilding in the big lifts and decides to gatekeep the status of a bodybuilder. RV's mental gymnastics is insane at this point
The fact that you had been training for years and actually looked natty, then all of sudden in a year you make marked improvements is kind of suspicious just saying. I never saw someone after years of looking natural all of sudden looking way bigger and leaner…
That's not a good indicator. You can be "training" for years and not know anything about effective training/diet/rest and then learn quite a few things over a short period of time and make noticeable changes over a relatively short period of time. Every single person I've ever met that have been training for decades will tell you they are still learning what is right for them.
this is a worthwhile point that i hadn't considered. 🤔 i guess the verification, maybe, is that he provides training manuals that can be followed & reviewed?
@@greenwavefitness7545 that would only be evidence that this person can write a training programme and parse training information. It would tell you nothing about their personal claims of not personally using exogenous performance enhancing substances. PEDs don't meaningfully affect HOW human beings train... except to affect how MUCH human beings can train and recover from, and of course they affect one's results. Claiming to be "natural" is- in practical terms- completely un-testable and unverifiable. Un-testable, unverifiable claims are by their very nature pure marketing claims, and should be viewed as irrelevant at best, with suspicion at worst.
Hahaha I’ve missed your videos calling out Revival Fitness Your training videos, you really train very hard. I try to take most of my set to 1 reps from completely failure.
Sad to see internet beef always be a thing imo. I like both of yall. I do feel Revival's points in some cases were a BIT off. Seriously impressed by your physique however either way always have been keep lifting my guy!
8:08 You did the right thing Geoff. He tried to promote bullsh*t to his audience and all you did is call that out. Bear in mind, you promoted his channel in the past, so it's not like you have a vendetta against him.
No ones as bad as bloho. I'd have pity for bloho. If it wasn't so easy to improve his life. Like stop eating so much, go job hunting for anything (hard today but he has time to spare) , stop lying and learn a beginner level knowledge of lifting.
12:00. That wasn’t really his point. His point was more so leaning towards the guys that don’t bench 225-275, don’t squat 315-365 or don’t deadlift 405-455 who look like (or better than) you, him and other fitness influencers probably aren’t natural, and he would be right. Lots of these SARM goblins are benching 205-215, squatting 250-285 & deadlifting 305-355
I would like to point out something on the acne. Since my teens ( now I’m in my early 30’s) I had n still suffer from acne on my back, shoulders and arms. Im a life long natty but I don’t have the best skin and skincare. My job, working in lumber, I use long sleeves yr round. So, acne or a certain type of it can be an indicator of PEDs, it’s not always. I try my best to have a good skincare routine and it has helped. My acne usually lasts a couple of days, unless it’s winter
I still have some acne in my 40s, my back, forehead, and chest have never been fully clear since I was like 12. However the PEDs acne tends to look WAY worse than even the worst cases of "pizza face" you might remember from high school.
This problem typically stems from a gut issue. Cut out grains, seed oils, preservatives, and processed sugars from your diet. Wonders will present themselves before you like you have never seen. Plus the acne will vanish. Suffered from it for years as a teen. Changed my diet, a year later, not a single bumps.
good video and I mostly agree, however I think there is some nuance to the idea that "not everyone is willing to sacrifice their morals for money". When speaking generally this is true, but when talking specifically about a subset of the population that is trying to succeed as fitness influencers, I'm as cynical as this other guy. The system doesn't reward morals... as Green Day said nice guys finish last
One thing Revival doesn’t think strength is 1 RM on the big 3 he has actually said multiple times including in his last video that this definition of strength needs to stop being normalized
Every time RF mentions "bench press PRs, but cutting", as a sign you're "on juice", makes me cringe. He never responds after I point out the major fallacy of starting BF%. You can and should get stronger while cutting, if you are starting at a BF% higher than 15-20%+, and you are actually working hard. TBH, I think his bodybuilding thing has skewed his logic, thinking that hard/large cuts, over short time frames, makes his rule "universal". Maybe if you are dropping below 10% (unhealthy), and getting PRs, sure, but the *blanket statement that hitting PRs while cutting is a sign of roids is just flat out wrong. And that's before I get into the entire psychological/logistical aspects of using roids. I mean who takes roids while on a cut? Isn't the entire premise of using is to "get bigger"? If you are in a deficit, seems like a waste of time and money to be "on" in that scenario, so logistically, that don't even make sense. I know we are surrounded by boneheads, but still that's a pretty dubious claim to make when its generally goes against the intended purpose of roids..
You seemed to really go in on RF for point 8 (big but weak) but didn't you kinda prove his point by making your bicep argument? You said your Squat/Bench/Deadlift aren't as impressive but you showcased your biceps (which are one of your physique's strong points in size) as having good strength by being able to rep 60 lb dumbbells which in fact means they are big but strong and not big but weak
People care too much about this. Most influencers are probably on steroids but it doesn't matter. You will never know who is natty and who isn't. It's all about who has good advice. People like to talk about novices getting bad advice from people on steroids. The truth is that they could get bad advice from anywhere. Combine that with the fact that what works for someone else might not work for you. Part of being a new lifter is learning what is good and what works for you.
I find this whole thing quite confusing, because RF has built a substantial amount of muscle and adjusting for height looks to have about 15 pounds less muscle than Geoff . Does he really think that gap can't be closed with a combination of slightly better size genetics, prioritizing bodybuilding over powerlifting, and (most importantly) 5 YEARS of extra lifting?
The fact that some people consider doing many sets to failure at isolation movements like biceps curls and triceps extension as some ridicuouls burden on their system that need steroids to recover from is just a proof how much harm powerlifting did to fitness community
5’6” x 165 lb all year around lean 56 yo physician here. 35 years in bodybuilding (while in the USSR and the USA ) 4-5/wk religiously, close to failure. Never used and never will use PED. Have no use to any other modestly if at all effective supplements like creatinine or BCA. Silly distraction and waste of money. Eat normal wholesome food, hitting my protein and calories needs. Minimalistic with carbs, but not a carbophob. Over the years stopped counting calories- it has become intuitive with every day weight feedback. Try to sleep sufficiently. Those are more than 90% of success….and perhaps longevity. Whatever the normal sealing of muscular weight God gave me by my fully devoted efforts- that’s enough for me. There’s life besides bodybuilding: work, family, children… Don’t be misled by the BS.
Guess what? Not everyone in the fitness industry is on steroids, nor is everyone simply out to make the most money possible.
Just because you got burned doesn't mean that everyone making progress in the gym or anyone bigger than you is on something.
Some are. Some aren't. And if your standards are low, you're going to be wrong a LOT of the time.
These types of videos really do a lot of damage. It's OK to be skeptical (even of me) but it's very easy for the skepticism to cross into cynicism and low standards. These types of echo chambers such as the "natty or juice" section on Reddit will ABSOLUTELY limit your progress as a beginner. I can't imagine where I'd be if I had stumbled across that type of content as a beginner lifter...I probably would have given up, or thought that 16" arms were my limit.
I actually agree with a lot of Revival's points, and if I had to decide if someone was natural or not, many of them are solid metrics. But so often people see a picture or video, often under good lighting, when lean, with a pump, and flexing, and decide IN ADVANCE of using any other metrics that they are not natural. They then try to reverse engineer the "carefully thought out system" to explain their emotional beliefs.
Oh, he doesn't have a strong 1 rep max on the lifts I do!
Oh, he does more volume/intensity/frequency than me, how does he recover?
Did you ever consider that those two statements EXPLAIN each other? But no, it's right to "Must be on drugs!"
Ultimately, Revival has plausible deniability here, but he's made his opinion known in the comment section several times.
I don't care whether you think I am natural, but I do care about the pathetic blackpilled messaging that keeps anyone watching your videos small, and smallminded.
If you colorize half of those bronze era people and upload a cropped photo, almost everyone will say that person isn't natty. I once saw a post where people were absolutely certain that Luisita Leers wasn't natural not realizing that would have been impossible. People are just so convinced everyone is on gear, and I don't understand why.
19:38 🤣🤣🤣
@@verablack3137 Yes he had a female content creator in his video that he said isn't natural, but he has even less of a clue about what is possible for women naturally than men.
@@GVSmaybe you can confirm my curiosity, is revival fitness the one natural hypertrophy is referring to when he says a certain youtuber makes his voice deeper on purpose ive always thought he was talking about revival but I can't be sure
About the whole weak for your size thing don't u think ur big three would go way up if u started powerlifting but see here's the thing if my goal was to bean overall strong guy I'd do body guiding with some strongman style training thrown in there I think strongman really develops way more overall strength in your body where as powerlifting is very focused on movement patterns
Everyone bigger than me is on steroids. Everyone smaller than me is also on steroids but I'm just so good that I passed them.
Aynen oyle
Thanks Dom! 💥💥
everyone stronger than me is on steroids
everyone weaker than me is a pansy.
Babies are now born with steroids
Im just a freak of genetics ( i am 5' 4 170 lbs its over for me )
It all comes full circle. He coined us the noble natties, now we’re the noble “natties”
"noble" "natties"
Noble fakies 😂😂
RFs fans are also some of the most pathetic blackpillers you'll ever see. The guy breeds ignorance
oh yeah it did start with him. everyone used that term ironically cause he used that against NH.
Noble natties is a joke 😂
GVS = Geoffrey, Very Saucy
Geoffrey Veiny Shaft
Geoffrey, Very Schwifty
Geoffrey Vigorous Schlong
Gary Versus Spongebob
Geoff Versed Steroider
The way he awkwardly has his arms out at his sides then chops the frame so it makes his shoulders look bigger gets me every time 🤣🤣🤣
Lol I thought I was the only one who noticed that since no one ever mentions it in his comment sections, like its not a natural looking posture
@@tracidvoyager I wouldn't be surprised if he deletes comments mentioning it
he also found that gym mirror that makes you looks 2x as wide and takes all of his pics there under extreme lighting and ups to structure filter to 100 lmaoo
Lol
It's called posing, literally all bodybuilding is about lmao
Calling it now. Revival is gonna jump on gear in the next few years.
you didn't watch the RF video all the way thru did you?????? go watch #10. (it's at the very end), i feel that answers your question.
@@brianhopkins5251 I did.
For sure. I see nothing wrong with that tbh. As long as it’s open
it's possible he's still natural but a part of me feels like he's already on the juice.
if he isn't then he's definitely going to be in the very near future. that's essentially what he's getting at with the outro he had.
I assume it was going to happen back when he had the back and forth with nh.
ever since revival said that all natty lifters want to use steroids and the only reason they arent is cause they are afraid of needles made me lose respect for him.
Yea what an absolutely wild take. The warning signs were always there I guess.
It feels weird to say this but you can see the insecurity in his face and expressions. Can't help but almost feel bad.
He cant even utter the word hypertrophy without having to rant or make fun of the word😂
So what he is basically saying is he is scared of needles or doesn't trust any of the sources to obtain it, whilst hiding behind some type of shield of morality whilst being secretly jealous of others juicing
its literally true. all you gym bros want is to get big as possible for no reason. you spend hours watching videos on how. probably to make up for some insecurity
RF is gonna end up selling healing crystals if he keeps adding links under his videos
He’s already got star charts 😂
I'm calling it now, he will end up like Frank Tufano. If you don't know who that is, it's probably better it stays that way lol
Lmao Im dead
@@lewiscolinvaux3064 stars map that would make the "perfect gift for your girlfriend" for some reasons
@@The-eo4ljthe carnivore? What happened to him?..havent seen him for a few years
"If they could make more money, of course they'd do it" is the mentality of someone who's broke.
Ironically this is very true. The one with the most desperate belief usually doesn't have it. This goes for many things in life.
Sounds like the mantra of a psychopath really.
The funny thing is a lot of PED users are also broke. It just might eat up all of their income.
bro that's the hardest insult he could've received
And/or the mentality of someone who'd do anything to make more money. It's typical projection.
Revival fitness is making coath proud with the most out of pocket nattys or not
What running icecream fitness does to a MFer
@@ISHIDDEDANDFARDEDmeh,ice cream fitness is based of reg park’s program bro,it is pretty good as a beginner template regardless of what you think of coath.
which is poetic since that was blorc boys bread and butter
Bloho
@@jacobwilson989 check my account lol
Kinda sucks you're still being called out for this stuff, but hey it's a compliment! (Kinda). Also really stupid that people STILL think you're weak. I pointed this out previously, your lifts across the board are well above average and very appropriate for your development when we take into account volume, form, rep range etc
Keep pushing Geoffrey, you're smashing it 🫡💪
RF is awesome
I don't care what some old 1RM data says, a dude who can bench 240 4x10 without bouncing or bridging is pretty fucking strong. If he actually decided to change his training toward producing a strong 1RM I have no doubt he'd hit something in the 300s at the very least.
@@DThrawnGVS powerlifting arc
This no joke, not even whipping out your balls will prove that youre natural. I once had some coworkers who were convinced i was on steroids and they challenged me to show them my balls to prove i wasnt. I said that i would, and their response was, if theyre normal sized that just means you used to have huge balls.
Its actually a weird coincidence that you brought that up cause i recently told that story in the comments on another video, i think by FreakyD, when i hadnt even thought about it in years.
@@ezradanger that's hilarious. always a reason they can find once they've made up their mind
I saw ur other comment lol. Some dudes really be jealous af.
If they aren't able to tell you what you can to do to prove your innocence then they're just being disingenuous.
Honestly an amazing way to trick someone to show me his balls. Thank you @ezradanger!
If anyone has ever bought GVS book, you will understand why his results are the way they are, I only started training actually hard since I came across this channel, and actually used controlled eccentric with proper form throughout, it is not a surprise that you will get better results if you become better focused.
Salute to GVS for responding in this manner too.
Anyone else exhausted with the natty or not videos?
Not a huge fan of them on specific people, no...I don't see how anyone could say with certainty if someone was natural or not...and if it was obvious then a video isn't needed in the first place.
I think often they do more harm than good, especially if the creator has low standards. Anyway, this isn't a natty or not, it's a debunking of one.
Nope, keep exposing. I dont keep up anymore, though. Why do u care? About protecting potential lierrs, so hard is my question, lol. Ppl called me not natty, but it doesn't bother me one bit If im not on.
No
At end of the day it doesn’t matter
I'm fine with calling out the egregious cases especially if they're deliberately leading people astray but when it's just throwing even people with natty-achievable physiques under the bus for the sake of clicks it dilutes the meaning of it and leads to a "boy who cried wolf" apathy about the entire thing.
That ending was EPIC! I watched this guy about 2 years ago (not regularly), but stopped rather quickly when it was clear that he has a lot of maturing to do. (same with Greg Doucette)
Same here🙋🏻 stopped watching and unsubscribed when he started projecting "anyone stronger than me but is smaller than me is on Gear" now he's projecting "anyone who's bigger than me but is weaker than me is on roids".😁
I still can't process the fact that EF did the whole video with invisible lat syndrome keeping his shoulders flared to the side and cropped the video to hide it...
He keeps his hands on his hips to make his shoulders look bigger, crops it out to hide it, and denies he does this. What a loser.
Tbh I'm genuinely surprised that he didn't include 'if they like anime/ lift in anime shirts' just from watching a few of his recent videos, he either doesnt like lifters who like anime or view lifters who like anime as 'red flagish'. Out of the things RF says this by far the most bizarre 😂
I think it's because he's still mad at NH
100% because of getting ether’d by NH
That’s insulting considering I lift and have enjoyed my fair share of anime content tho ever since stumbling onto Attack On Titan and it’s horrendous story telling and characters and not to mention their brain dead fans on Twitter and their echo chambers, I took a hiatus from anime and manga cos of how much brain rot and depression I got from all of it and instead went back to gaming and revisited retro games from the 90s to early 2000s and dayum were they as fun as I remembered them
@@jakesustarsic533When he makes fun of people using the word hypertrophy and calling people “hypertrophycels” it’s pretty clear he’s still seething over NH after all this time
@@shteatinggrinhe is spitting fax tho? the ones getting triggered about “ hypertrophycel” are the ones seething,it’s literally the definition of that 😂
People definitely underestimate what is naturally achievable, and like to put limits on themselves AND others(i.e., 'genetic limit') without actually intelligently designing programs, training/eating properly, and nailing recovery, while those who have nailed the process continue to progress.
isnt there a natty limit, would you guys say sean nalewanyj is not natty?
To be honest, RF got big - particularly in the natty fitness community - off of his Doucette call out video but kind of never really had a ton to offer his audience beyond that (to be clear that callout video was generally great in that no one had so effectively organized the specific contradictions within Greg's "fluid" definition of maingaining up until that point).
I think there's value in fitness content coming from people at all different stages in their journey - even if its something as simple as the encouragement for a newbie that comes from watching another newbie make the same journey - but its worth being more conscious about whether this particular person is the best source for what you're looking for
And as pretty young intermediate bodybuilder - without either education or extensive "on the ground" experience - maybe RF isn't the one people should be looking to for high level programming advice or insight into what is or isn't possible in the long run
Best part of this video = someone finally pushed back solidly and articulately on this "everyone is on" narrative. The worst part of this video = you alerted a few folks to the existence of revival fitness. Such is life.
I know you're not the guy, but perhaps NatHyp can do a kind of breakdown on the possible psychological goings-on of revival. Appreciate the dude for going heavy and actually doing a show, but those efforts don't excuse his continued "they're all on something" approach to on-line fitness content.
The community just agreed on NH being the philosopher and physiologist of the bunch
I agree, can't wait for the 3 hour video
Natural Hypertrophy already dunked on this fool a year ago. But as far as speculating on his psychological reasons for believing these things, he says what is plain to see: Revival Fitness wants to hop on gear and is trying to justify it to himself and his audience. That's why he projects so hard.
Honestly, there is a lot of material for NH to make a series on. Could be over 10 episodes.
Also would be a very good case study on an insecure narcissist who projects his insecurities on other people (or atleast that is what I think RF is)
Would help people recognise similar people in their lives.
Revival was the creator who made me initially stop spinning my wheels doing the next flashy exercise by worshipping athlean x and I learned to progress with the basics but good god sometimes he sounds so blackpilled and he even gives doomer dating advice now which makes me wince
It's clear there's psychological reasons involved with that dude, I mean he did that entire video with his arms flared out and is denying it to those who call him out
18:01, your instagram stories are honestly helping me so much. They are like tuning into a conversation with a friend who shares his day with you and helped me to get motivated and definetly tought me new things.
Glad they help!
He's got some great content but the negative energy is pretty real
I'm with you king
Yea, but his videos are getting worse and worse and more and more biased every day it seems.
I only really watch him occasionally to see how much crazier he is getting on a monthly basis.
Calling another man king…
@@kimborampage fellas is it gay to respect people
@@powersurge_beast that’s not respect that’s idol worship
@@kimborampageI think in this context, king was meant more of as a compliment rather than idol worship. Its meaning has kind of been watered down as of late.
Dude got mogged by Basement Bodybuilding in the big lifts and decides to gatekeep the status of a bodybuilder. RV's mental gymnastics is insane at this point
Sad to see him slowly become Greg Doucette and Stench Coath Blahino for a bit
I'm unsure who mogged him better: BasementBodybuilding or Atlaspowershrugged.
@@zerrodefex yeah, Atlas lifting more than his deadlift max with one hand in a parking lot is one of the biggest roasts I have seen in a while.
When did basement bodybuilding ever show his lifts?
@@slee2695 I think it was when Basement made a short because RF called the noble natties weak (or so I think, I may be misremembering) so he completely mogged him in the bench and deadlift.
@@weakest_serb exactly
Dude, after this video I had to click on the bell icon. I have been removing a lot channels from my subscription list so this is considered a tremendous honor in my culture!
I like RF overall, but that “most of you natties would turn to roids if you weren’t scared of needles or knew where to get them” was no doubt his single greatest L take of all time. As you implied, he was literally just describing why he doesn’t use them.
Kinda true
There is a bit of Blahino lost in Revival, that's for sure.
Jason Fitness/Revival Blaha
He is the natty Blahino after all. Also Blahino is putting out more mainstream content now.
A bit much to strawman him like that but ok 👍
don't you mean found?
as in there's a bit of blaha in him?
@@bebursthat's not a strawman
I had no idea the Revival fitness channel still existed.
Lol after his gym equipment was almost lost, his Italian money hungry genes got more hungrier than ever
I guess you could say he is trying to revive his dead channel...?
It's basically just black pill BS and advice for guys who havent talked to a girl in years.
@@Skygooose its surprising how he rides the line of incel content without quite admitting to it. He's managed to stay just a single video away from "hit me up for a customised dating plan"
Hey who yall talking about ?
17:30 This is SUCH a relevant point.
I remember beefing with Revival Fitness in the comments section of one of his videos. He was all but calling you a fake natty in the comments, so I pushed back on that.
He said you had every incentive to grow your outreach as big as possible. I pointed out the fact that your channel only had ~130k subs, and that Revival was speaking as if you weren’t a very niche fitness influencer to begin with. I also pointed out that your actions really didn’t align with why fake natties take drugs to begin with, which is a motive to commodify and extract as much money from their image as possible. If GVS were interested in growing his outreach first and foremost, don’t you think he would make drama videos, clickbait his natty status, do collabs with other normie fitness influencers, make vlog content, take every sponsorship and brand deal under the sun, and of course, make natty or not videos? Is GVS the *one* fake natty who doesn’t act like every other fake natty in history? Or is GVS indeed natural and looking out for the best interest of the natural lifting community? Of course, when I brought all this up to Revival, he never responded lmao. Goes to show you where this guy’s priorities are. I wonder why he won’t just call Alex Leonidas or Natural Hypertrophy fake natties as well. I guess going after Alex would make him look terrible, and he doesn’t want to get sent to the shadow realm by the baguette man once again.
RF is unfortunately a big bag of cope who very clearly projects a lot of his own feelings of failure and insecurity onto others in the industry to somehow justify his own lack of knowledge, experience, and progress. The guy creates an echo chamber in the comments of his videos & promotes bullying of any dissenting views of what he says. He should focus on keeping an open mind to keep learning something new every day from those like GVS, NH, Basement Bodybuilding, myself, and many others who have been doing this longer than him and are more successful than him, instead of trying to paint everyone else as bad, wrong, or as a fake natty if they’ve done better than him in the gym personally and/or professionally.
Great response Geof, think you handled it well & the points made were very reasonable and helpful to your viewers. Wishing RF all the best, & still hoping he can find his way back one day from the “dark side” of the fitness industry.
maybe youre coping because your channel never took off
@@burritodog3634 I’m actually very happy with how my channel has done to date. 24 videos and 4.6k subscribers are numbers most channels would love to achieve, and I’m very proud of that. Quality content speaks for itself, and I’ve helped a lot of people along the way. Unfortunately I haven’t made a video in some time due to some personal reasons, but I’ll be back soon. 💪👍
@@burritodog3634nice argument
@burritodog3634 did you ever step on stage
@@burritodog3634 I'm almost certain you're RF's other account
revival fitness fell before he rose lol
Vegan Gains is more successful 😮
I knew dude was weird when he made a video about how dudes should be embarrassed if any woman in the gym is stronger than them. Makes sense that he would obsessively track and evaluate other people's progress, dude has zero self esteem.
He is constantly comparing himself to others. He has a lot of blatant insecurities that he should address if he wants to grow in all aspects of his life before he hops on the juice.
You should be
He'd end his own life if Jen Thompson went to his gym.
That video was literally made as motivation for guys to get stronger, how can your fanboyish mind take that out of context?
@@bebursI think there are ways to get motivated that don't hinge on comparing yourself to strangers though
RF is a very cynical dude. I’ve always gotten a negative vibe from his videos. He’ll eventually crash and burn. They always do
i wonder why
Geoff using RF as a discount code for his books is the ultimate BM
RF STARTED AT THE BOTTOM AND STARTED DIGGIN DEEPER ❤️🔥🗣️‼️📛‼️⚠️🗣️‼️📛❤️🔥⚠️🗣️‼️🗣️
"Anyone bigger than me... or STRONGER than me is on steroids" sums it up perfectly lol
I totally agree with the 1RM strength on the big 3 lifts and the ability to do high volume while making gains. If you dont train for 1RM strength as a goal, your numbers will appear to be less impressive. Also, some people just have work horse genetics that respond well to high volume. Respect to GVS. AWESOME content awesome physique
12:24 MOGGED
Fr
almost like no one irl cares about physique mog unless its about height. sad gym coper
@@burritodog3634 we know it's you RF
smartest fitness content watcher ^
@@burritodog3634 you literally watched the video
The discount code was savage 😂 13:00 .
So it seems that Revival has gone full black pill is this true? I don't like Revival anymore and I unsubbed as soon as he shadow banned my account. I called him out on being black-pilled awhile back.
He definitely doesn't take criticism well, that's for sure.
What did he shadow ban you for? Can you even do that on RUclips? Does that mean your comments are hidden / don’t appear? He’s probably done it to me as I called him out for his “cope” in reply to some of his comments on the video he made after getting dumped for trying to deal with a shallow woman who he wasn’t rich enough for
Do you mean he is black pilled from a fitness stand point ? Relationships ? Life ?
He releases quite a few black pill videos about women. One of which actually had black pill in the title and he took it down
I saw a video where he claims to get plenty of action with women but his attitude and demeanour makes me struggle to believe it. As well as his posts about “gymcels” and the like. Now maybe he is just trying to help people who sub to him. But I can’t help but think he either doesn’t get much attention at all or doesn’t get it from who he wanted /hoped to
@@gm9460Simple really its for calling him black-pilled. Yes is exactly what happened to me since I don't get replies anymore on that channel since I don't anyone can see my comments now.
All of it actually he is full on black-pilled likely due to where he lives. Oh dear its even worse than I thought. Yeah he isn't getting what he wanted from his channel that is for sure.
@@gm9460yeah you can hide users comments from showing on your channel but sometimes RUclips just removes them you can find out if you just log into another account and see if your comments appear
Trivial: RF claims to have scored a 166 on an IQ test haha
Hi Gef, I always thought you over emphasized how so many gym goers don't know what true failure is. So I told my friend who has been lifting 2-3 years about the phrase you say often "gun to your head could you get another rep?" and a week later he claims it's all he thinks about each set and that it's helped his training greatly. So I guess you were right, probably a good thing to mention this frequently.
Game changer for sure. Just be careful on axially loaded lower body stuff like squats/RDLs, sometimes that mentality isn't suitable.
The issue i have with revival fitness is that he self projects a lot. He has opinions that are largely based on his own goals and he holds everyone else to that standard. He generally has an attitude where if you disagree with him, then you're wrong, no room for nuance. There's ways to be right without acting like an asshole, and it's easy to go against him because of that attitude.
I think it's because he's from LA but the dude thinks Instagram is real life and it affects his world view.
I did 2 very small cycles in my early 20’s. Haven’t touched anything in 25 years. However…..the gains I made 25 years ago are still with me today. On a cycle of test enanthate for 30 days, I grew traps, NEVER lost them. I did 30 tablets of Anadrol 50, gained 22lbs in 35 days. NEVER LOST THE GAINS. My point is that gear “breaks your mold”. You will never be the same again. Fast forward today, I am 5’10” 197, 17” arms, wide capped shoulders, small waist, good legs, lean. I would NOT look like I do today at 52 had I not experimented in my 20’s. I can stand next to ANYONE my age and fade them, as well as guys half my age. I have been natty for 25 years and can claim “currently natty” but the gains I made 25 years ago still have people accusing me of ACTIVELY using.
is it possible to be 200lbs 5'9-5'10 natural
@@jmgonzales7701 sub 15% body fat? Rare
@@a.f.s.3004 yes. I plan to be atleast 15% body fat.
@a.f.s.3004 just wondering if you even did a pct for such a small cycle? Usually dudes run test much longer.
@@jmgonzales7701 I watched a vid a few months back from a guy who calls himself Lethal Thurman. Older guy like me who been around the game a long time.,he also stated a 200lbs, sub 15% body fat, 5”10” or less man is a rare physique. Sure, some genetic freaks will accomplish this natty, but not many. Think elite NFL type dudes, for the rest of us, we might need some help.💪
Caffeine? Turn in your natty card bro
GVS - I don't know your status but it's about Bayesian priors and inference to the best explanation. The probability that a "fitness influencer" is on gear has to be the default one. Think about it. If one by default assumes that these influencers are natty, probabilistically you will be wrong more times than correct. The inverse assumption will be correct more times than it is wrong. Appreciate if you are natty and it annoys you folks suggesting otherwise but as one of the more intelligent people in this space I am sure you can understand the basic reasoning I have outlined. Btw your books etc are really good.
"While in Bayesian statistics the prior probability is used to represent initial beliefs about an uncertain parameter"
As for as I can tell...initial. Not final. This is why if someone who knows nothing about me sees one video and assumes I'm on something, I don't really mind that.
However, when someone who has known about my training history, knowledge, consistency, lack of side effects, reasonable progression, etc etc for years still assumes that, it is a lot less excusable. If you take into account ALL of the factors and look at them, it shifts the likelihood a lot. Vitruvian physique did a good video on this highlighting the additional information that is helpful in assigning likelihood of natural status.
Ultimately, the assumption that everyone is on is heavyhanded, wrong and limiting. We can be more nuanced than an assumption of 100% guilt.
15:42 why does this dude look like he is about to cry lol
Glossy eyes that result from looking at screens too much
I ain’t gon lie this shi killed me☠️
You are the best fitness youtuber Ive seen. You and Renesainse periodisation second best, and most funniest, are the best on youtube. I watched the outro 10 times
He's right, though. It's impossible to know if someone's on PEDs or not. Making a 20-minute video response justifying not being on gear does not prove you're not on gear. I'm not saying you are; I don't believe you are. Regardless, it's factual that it's impossible to know whether someone is taking PEDs or not.
Thanks captain obvious
GVS has never, ever let me down. Another banger video
Revival baffles me honestly - he had his time with dietary advice, and of the fitness influencers to critique Greg Douchette he remains one of the best to ever do it in my view - however he now spends his time picking absurd battles with people and being an all around bitter cynical bloke. At the end of the day if he wants to remain a stagnant channel and become an industry lolcow, thats his perogative. I wouldn't want to do that personally if i was in his position 😂
Some people just peak early and never grow past it.
So well said. 🙏🏽 Keep the real natural culture alive and well.
RF is a kid with a camera at the end of the day. The real unfortunate thing about it is that, as you said, because this is the internet, he will influence some minds with his special brand of being an abrasive, cynical hater.
Very well put Tom. He is very immature for sure and definitely doesn’t have a growth mindset at all. Unfortunately he does hold some influence over a number of young impressionable minds who know even less than him. His abrasive cynical ways definitely rub me the wrong way for so many reasons…..
Yea, a GROWN ASS kid.
@@FitLabb someway, somehow he developed a following!
Unfortunate sign of the times pretty much. The Black Pilled types joining the gym to better their life is great and we should welcome them and try to lift them up, but it's annoying when you start having them on the creator side feeding into that mindset to keep them in that negative cycle instead of sticking to what is supposed to be the point of those kinds of kids getting into the gym (or any other active hobby)- to help them build a more positive feedback mindset so they can improve other parts of their lives as well.
The irony of Revival Fitness talking about how people are liars, sellouts, only out to make a buck etc. is that he is obviously targeting and cultivating a specific subset of cynical fans that just want to hear their confirmation bias repeated back to them.
@@The-Blurst-Of-Times man, you hit the nail square on the noggin. It’s a very bizarre phenomenon, but a sign of the times indeed. Also, love your photo and handle 🤣🙈
For that last one, you got a lol and a like out of me. Thanks, Geoff!
You look absolutely natural
re: compound lifts: i recently added the powerlifting moves back into my routine because i enjoy doing them and i want into increase my overall strength…
i had to cut significant effort off my other workouts in my week plan because my tendons and ligaments are sore from the compound lifts. if you don’t love these exercises or compete in them, feel free to skip them for hypertrophy! i did get a lot stronger on these lifts, though
Yep they have a fairly high recovery cost, and require upkeep to progress on for sure. But hey, if you enjoy them and getting better at them is a goal, totally cool!
In my opinion, Revival Fitness’s first way to spot a fake natty is somewhat true. Letting your fans know you’re natural and responding to people who accuse you of not being natural every now and then is fine. However, if you’re like Tanner Shuck and say “I’m natural” in the first five minutes of every video, then I’m gonna assume the opposite because influencers who are actually natural don’t feel the need to constantly remind their audience.
Lol ya exactly, “day in the life of a natural bodybuilder” “Here’s what I do for chest as a natural” “TOP 5 EXERCISES FOR NATURALS!”
Like bro
@@BasedAsher also if you’re a natural lifter who feels the need to respond to every god damn parasite who accuses you of being a fake natty, you need thicker skin because that is embarrassing as fuck.
Tanner Shuck looks like a jacked natty, and definitely has put in the work, but yeah, he definitely leans into the "I'm natural" schtick suspiciously too often, almost like he's trying to convince himself. Then the video of him snorting Viagra pre-workout (yes, actually snorting Viagra on camera) really didn't do him any favors.
Thanks for mentioning that clown
@@mattpujol1111lol
I suspect Revival Fitness might have already started gearing a few months ago, not sure, but I’ve asked myself that
i doubt that
@@jmgonzales7701 im not sure, but I’ve had this thought, just a feeling. But he mentioned having done sunbed and stuff so maybe the redness comes from that and he just has rounded shoulders. I don’t wish him to be on it tbh and would prefer to be wrong
@@Realnaturalbodybuilding for an italian turning red is kinda weird. They tan alot.
Currently I'm training at home but, when I went to the gym (medium-sized), I mogged most people there after only a few months, with the exception of ~5-8 veterans. Then again, I started as an adult, at 36, and had plenty of blubber (124 kg at the start, 100 kg ~10 months later) to fuel my newbie gains, plus I was always fairly strong. That said, not only am I natty, my T levels easily place me in the hypogonadism category (I'm talking fifteen/seven times less than normal levels; thankfully I've mostly avoided the really bad side-effects, presumably because I respond very well to what little I do have). My only real advantage is that I can train to my heart's content, since I took 1-2 years off from any serious work commitments in order to build my physique.
From this, I conclude that most people either don't know how to train properly, don't put in serious effort, or both.
Also, while I was highly interested in TRT to get back to a non-defective state, I've since decided against it. There are some low-T mental issues that still slightly bother me, but they've lessened a lot after nearly a year of lifting - it's even possible my T levels have slowly improved, though it might just be general better fitness/health. Regardless, I LIKE the idea that I'm at a disadvantage. Let the rest play on easy mode, I've always enjoyed the challenge of playing on hard difficulty. Plus, it makes my PRs and physique achievements all the sweeter.
All the best from Romania!
You're awesome bro. With the glory to god, may you see success.
@@Verbux Thank you. I've actually lost 34 kg's by this point and things are going well. PR's are still plentiful.
I haven't noticed any major low-T signs for a while now and suspect my levels have stabilized to an at least adequate state for my sensitivity, if not at normal levels. Will check in a few months.
Turns out training regularly over a long period of time heals your body and promotes hormonal recovery.
I feel and look like I'm in my early 30s rather than 38. Working out seriously was the best decision I've ever made.
My bench press is just under 600 pounds. Just shy of 600 pounds, just 400 pounds under 600 pounds. On a cosmic scale it's a very small difference.😁
Revival Fitness looks like one of the men who assassinated Julius Caesar 😂😂
He is Italian bro so 😂
well he does, he is italian
"wasnt as much his physique as it was ... the tomato" 🤣🤣 literally crackin up. Ur comedic timing is GOLD and you just casually sprinkle it in like 10 minutes into a 20min video and I LOVE IT! 😁
I think this was unnecessary drama, ive learned a lot from both of you and i think the advice of RF and yourself is both solid.
Geoff with your case there simply isn't enough red flags. People always attack your squat/bench/deadlift and nothing else. With VitruvianPhysique people always attack his acne which is a genetic situation.
This reminds me of how people confuse cynicism with realism with superheroes lol.
Everybody says that Evil Superman is a realistic one and that someone with powers like Superman can't be raised with good morals but it is a very stupid argument because there are plenty of people IRL who are in positions of power (financially) and go around to help the world.
“Cynicism masquerades as wisdom, but it is the farthest thing from it. Because cynics don’t learn anything. Because cynicism is a self-imposed blindness, a rejection of the world because we are afraid it will hurt us or disappoint us.”
― Stephen Colbert
Corrupt people will constantly project their corruption onto everyone else. Or in short "evil can't comprehend good."
Name one of these "rich person in power who go around to help the world".
Every single strategist in the history of mankind from warfare to geopolitics was a Cynic & Realist.
Idealism is moronic.
@@Ethereum1789 the infamously small-thinking and realistic Alexander the Great
@@Ethereum1789 the irony of having Alexander The Great as your pfp and saying this HAHAHA
Yes and it is the reason that Superman is seen as this boring character, because he is too good. It doesn't help the fact that people nowadays idolize omni man and homelander. It shows the kind of morals people have nowadays. This overglorification of characters like homelander not only tell us that people nowadays have weak morals but the fact they have already given up.
People who have used gear and have been around gear users for 20+ years have a good eye for this stuff; the vast majority of people doing this as a career (such as OP) have or are using.
The vast majority of people who are worrying about the natural limit have no reason to. If you have your training, diet, stress management and sleep in order, you can achieve any goal within reason. It really only matters if you want to become a (natural) bodybuilding champion. But then you will also know, if you are an outlier. When Urs Kalecinski, Wesley Vissers and Cbum posted their peak natty pics, I believed them and still do. Spit the black pill out and go hard. And test levels and age are also overrated.
Yeah if you're not even competing with anyone beside your past self then why the stressing out over a "natty limit"? Just like how I'm not going to get on a platform and powerlift for a crowd so I don't care if my strength is currently behind some arbitrary standards as long as my health and physique are still improving. As for test levels that's only one part of the equation as well, your actual sensitivity to testosterone matters greatly and is why we see many "low-T" people who still get better results than many who have high T levels even.
they worry about the "natty limit" as if they will reach it by accident.
It is in fact a moral issue, when they lie about it to gain money and influence. And then if they on top of that give you bullshit advice that won’t give you results… we’ll it’s a moral issue.
Thankfully we got you Alex leonidas etc. 🙏🏻
I think Natty or Nots were the biggest reason back in the day (and even now) why natural lifters have such low standards of themselves. Guys like Doucette, Phillion etc. making generalist statements like "YOU CAN NEVER ACHIEVE" etc. I think the Noble Natties have done a good job in upping the standards of what you can do, but there'll always be guys like this who think being natural = being weak and skinny.
I'm tempted to do a natty or not on ALL the guys that MPMD/Greg/Phillion did videos on just to share the perspective of an advanced natural lifter. A lot of the guys they think were on I feel very differently about.
Greg has impossibly low standards for the average person and I find it incredibly irritating. The genetics claim has no explanatory power.
These people aren’t geneticists and there’s no identifiable gene sequence which is responsible for an individuals potential. There’s a plethora of Comorbid factors that each contribute to an individuals baseline, potential and rate of progression which can’t be gleaned by observation alone. The best approximation from that standpoint is garnered from evaluating a persons frame.
It’s all reverse engineered through observing the general population, which do not know appropriate programming/periodization, dietary practices or often possess the motivation to achieve greater goals.
The genetics argument can be applied fallaciously to any discipline, and needlessly rejects the massive role environment plays. It’s bizarrely deterministic without the framework to justify it.
And the average person can become extraordinary through effort. Heck, even below average people can become extraordinary relative to the average person because most people don’t try very hard.
This applies to nearly everything like intelligence. Perhaps you don’t have the raw processing power of someone gifted at learning, but through hard work you can overcome the disparity and often surpass them. Many gifted people never learn to overcome adversity which cripples their development later in life.
I also have to add that the expression of one’s genes can change over the course of their life based on how they interact with their environment. For some reason epigenetics aren’t ever considered in this discussion. I don’t imagine that it has a very substantial impact but “genetics” aren’t some static monolith.
@@nicksmith4244 "Many gifted people never learn to overcome adversity which cripples their development later in life." I've seen quite a few times when gifted people burned out because they were cruising on easy mode for much of their early life only to find they were a big fish in a small pond, I was one of them. For example I never had to learn how to study and when I got to classes that actually started challenging me I got overwhelmed as I could no longer just effortlessly absorb the info and ace tests while those who had struggled for years and learned how to study properly to keep up ended up blowing by me. It was some time before I recovered from that and learned how to actually apply myself properly, some never do and are just bitter that they "peaked" so early in life.
the end is killed, earned my sub
Acne doesn't always mean they're on gear. It could be food, dairy in particular
Grains, processed sugars and pasteurized dairy. Raw milk actually cures acne when used in the absence of the first 3 mentioned.
Or they might genuinely just have a skin condition lol. Like yeah if someone conveniently suddenly breaks out a shitload of backne the same time they gained like 30 lbs of muscle then yeah that's kinda sus but it's not as if eczema/psoriasis etc. aren't overall relatively common conditions for people to have.
Yeah. I have backne all over, but I'm pretty sure I don't stick needles up my bum every morning
@@berlg.3382raw milk doesn’t cure anything
It's not a nail in the coffin but just something that could indicate they're on something. I don't see one blemish and assume they're not natural.
People get on my nerves when they ask me how much I can bench press for 1 repetition!
My goal is to be able to progress in weight with 5 repetitions and I don't understand why people are convinced that you have progressed only if you have increased the weight in one repetition.
If 2 months ago you lifted 100 kilos on the bench for one repetition, and after 2 months you managed to do 10 repetitions with those 100 kilos, you have become stronger!
And I don't mean CNS adaptation to the movement because my comment is about people who have been working out for a while and using the same movements they want to progress in for months or years.
Just watched basement bodybuilding's video about this
Was a great one.
Why fitness influencers fight against each other than fight against obese food craving RUclipsrs?
One typical thing i noticed with steroid users and which i would say is the best tell-tale sign is that their muscularity seem to increase exponentially whilst losing bodyfat at the same time and it happens fast to where they get a grainy, veined, flushed, ripped look with 3d delts within just a couple of months, yet all throughout this process the amount of effort and intensity expended was relatively small. Also they likely, in most cases, didn't need to be in a good deal of calorie surplus. They might aswell have taken in their daily requirement and not single gram of carb more. And an addition to that; the God awful stupid unnecessary grunting while doing their fluff and pump. So yes in general this one is the hallmark for the roided gymrat.
I still remember something Greg Doucette said that stuck with me. "YOU DON'T GET A SPECIAL AWARD FOR BEING NATURAL" The sad reality of pro bodybuilding.
So it is not just basement bodybuilding who is not natty. Even geoff has been exposed too... sad times ma bros
*i'm being sarcastic*
Dude got mogged by Basement Bodybuilding in the big lifts and decides to gatekeep the status of a bodybuilder. RV's mental gymnastics is insane at this point
@@glennnolasco6892 No wonder RF stays small. Lil bro has been training like a gymnast, thinking he can be like them.
@@Leexddironically gymnasts are more jacked than him lol
damn, who's next NH?
@@YuvrajSingh-hr9rh One day, it shall be us getting called out 😤 Let's keep grinding.
RF is the definition of “he’s bigger than me so he must be on gear”
The fact that you had been training for years and actually looked natty, then all of sudden in a year you make marked improvements is kind of suspicious just saying. I never saw someone after years of looking natural all of sudden looking way bigger and leaner…
That's not a good indicator. You can be "training" for years and not know anything about effective training/diet/rest and then learn quite a few things over a short period of time and make noticeable changes over a relatively short period of time. Every single person I've ever met that have been training for decades will tell you they are still learning what is right for them.
It's his brand, he sells books on it.
Props to the Klokov press, very underrated exercise
Your personal claims are totally unverifiable. Making unverifiable claims is- by definition- pure marketing.
this is a worthwhile point that i hadn't considered. 🤔 i guess the verification, maybe, is that he provides training manuals that can be followed & reviewed?
@@greenwavefitness7545 that would only be evidence that this person can write a training programme and parse training information. It would tell you nothing about their personal claims of not personally using exogenous performance enhancing substances.
PEDs don't meaningfully affect HOW human beings train... except to affect how MUCH human beings can train and recover from, and of course they affect one's results.
Claiming to be "natural" is- in practical terms- completely un-testable and unverifiable. Un-testable, unverifiable claims are by their very nature pure marketing claims, and should be viewed as irrelevant at best, with suspicion at worst.
The real meta is telling everyone, "Oh, yeh you're totally natural." To fuck with their ego even more.
Hahaha I’ve missed your videos calling out Revival Fitness
Your training videos, you really train very hard. I try to take most of my set to 1 reps from completely failure.
Sad to see internet beef always be a thing imo. I like both of yall. I do feel Revival's points in some cases were a BIT off. Seriously impressed by your physique however either way always have been keep lifting my guy!
The easiest way to know if someone is a fake natty is to take a look at their trening
8:08 You did the right thing Geoff. He tried to promote bullsh*t to his audience and all you did is call that out. Bear in mind, you promoted his channel in the past, so it's not like you have a vendetta against him.
NH needs to do a new series on Revival just like he did on Blaha
hell yes, would watch
Hell yeah
Just because he is taking that side on the hot topic?
He wouldn't deserve it and in fact it wouldn't make sense and last
No ones as bad as bloho. I'd have pity for bloho. If it wasn't so easy to improve his life. Like stop eating so much, go job hunting for anything (hard today but he has time to spare) , stop lying and learn a beginner level knowledge of lifting.
12:00. That wasn’t really his point. His point was more so leaning towards the guys that don’t bench 225-275, don’t squat 315-365 or don’t deadlift 405-455 who look like (or better than) you, him and other fitness influencers probably aren’t natural, and he would be right. Lots of these SARM goblins are benching 205-215, squatting 250-285 & deadlifting 305-355
I would like to point out something on the acne. Since my teens ( now I’m in my early 30’s) I had n still suffer from acne on my back, shoulders and arms. Im a life long natty but I don’t have the best skin and skincare. My job, working in lumber, I use long sleeves yr round. So, acne or a certain type of it can be an indicator of PEDs, it’s not always. I try my best to have a good skincare routine and it has helped. My acne usually lasts a couple of days, unless it’s winter
I still have some acne in my 40s, my back, forehead, and chest have never been fully clear since I was like 12. However the PEDs acne tends to look WAY worse than even the worst cases of "pizza face" you might remember from high school.
This problem typically stems from a gut issue. Cut out grains, seed oils, preservatives, and processed sugars from your diet. Wonders will present themselves before you like you have never seen. Plus the acne will vanish.
Suffered from it for years as a teen. Changed my diet, a year later, not a single bumps.
Your physique is my goal physique. And that’s over many enhanced lifters/influencers
RF is obviously either hyping himself up to jump on gear or preparing his audience for when he admits to using it.
Yes but he has been for over a year so dunno when/if he'll even do it. Up to him. His life.
Great counter arguments to those takes... Which were um pretty batshit crazy lol
good video and I mostly agree, however I think there is some nuance to the idea that "not everyone is willing to sacrifice their morals for money". When speaking generally this is true, but when talking specifically about a subset of the population that is trying to succeed as fitness influencers, I'm as cynical as this other guy. The system doesn't reward morals... as Green Day said nice guys finish last
Oh there are plenty of people in the fitness industry willing to sacrifice their morals for money...just not everyone.
One thing Revival doesn’t think strength is 1 RM on the big 3 he has actually said multiple times including in his last video that this definition of strength needs to stop being normalized
This guy is natural bodybuilding reddit personified. I was told was on gear because i repped 140 on bench but i have a bit of a beer gut 😂
reddit thinks everything is fake
Every time RF mentions "bench press PRs, but cutting", as a sign you're "on juice", makes me cringe. He never responds after I point out the major fallacy of starting BF%. You can and should get stronger while cutting, if you are starting at a BF% higher than 15-20%+, and you are actually working hard. TBH, I think his bodybuilding thing has skewed his logic, thinking that hard/large cuts, over short time frames, makes his rule "universal". Maybe if you are dropping below 10% (unhealthy), and getting PRs, sure, but the *blanket statement that hitting PRs while cutting is a sign of roids is just flat out wrong. And that's before I get into the entire psychological/logistical aspects of using roids. I mean who takes roids while on a cut? Isn't the entire premise of using is to "get bigger"? If you are in a deficit, seems like a waste of time and money to be "on" in that scenario, so logistically, that don't even make sense. I know we are surrounded by boneheads, but still that's a pretty dubious claim to make when its generally goes against the intended purpose of roids..
You seemed to really go in on RF for point 8 (big but weak) but didn't you kinda prove his point by making your bicep argument? You said your Squat/Bench/Deadlift aren't as impressive but you showcased your biceps (which are one of your physique's strong points in size) as having good strength by being able to rep 60 lb dumbbells which in fact means they are big but strong and not big but weak
People care too much about this. Most influencers are probably on steroids but it doesn't matter. You will never know who is natty and who isn't. It's all about who has good advice. People like to talk about novices getting bad advice from people on steroids. The truth is that they could get bad advice from anywhere. Combine that with the fact that what works for someone else might not work for you. Part of being a new lifter is learning what is good and what works for you.
11:37
Thats totally out of context . He said many times - strength isn't only 1rep max.
Yep he always says that,he means progressive overload strength and not just on the SBD
@@beburs that's right. People in this comment section is wild
I find this whole thing quite confusing, because RF has built a substantial amount of muscle and adjusting for height looks to have about 15 pounds less muscle than Geoff . Does he really think that gap can't be closed with a combination of slightly better size genetics, prioritizing bodybuilding over powerlifting, and (most importantly) 5 YEARS of extra lifting?
The fact that some people consider doing many sets to failure at isolation movements like biceps curls and triceps extension as some ridicuouls burden on their system that need steroids to recover from is just a proof how much harm powerlifting did to fitness community
5’6” x 165 lb all year around lean 56 yo physician here.
35 years in bodybuilding (while in the USSR and the USA ) 4-5/wk religiously, close to failure. Never used and never will use PED. Have no use to any other modestly if at all effective supplements like creatinine or BCA. Silly distraction and waste of money.
Eat normal wholesome food, hitting my protein and calories needs. Minimalistic with carbs, but not a carbophob. Over the years stopped counting calories- it has become intuitive with every day weight feedback.
Try to sleep sufficiently. Those are more than 90% of success….and perhaps longevity. Whatever the normal sealing of muscular weight God gave me by my fully devoted efforts- that’s enough for me. There’s life besides bodybuilding: work, family, children…
Don’t be misled by the BS.