"F*ck, Greg" | Vitruvian Physiques' Greatest Video
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
- Note that comma after the f bomb. It's very clear that this was an expression of frustration and not an attack.
Anyway, I thought this video was really well done, not becomes of the Turk rant but because it addressed a myriad of issues in the fitness industry ranging from TRT to honesty to stress to comparing your physique to other men to how the natural side of the industry is sadly shrinking.
Timestamps:
00:00 Geoff Says Hello
00:35 TRT/Testosterone Background
01:13 It’s a Last Resort
02:51 Regaining Natty Card?
03:36 TRT=Mistake?
04:42 Work Stress
05:09 Natty Limit?
06:07 A Game Of Chemistry
07:05 Natural is VERY viable
07:52 Normalization of Anabolics
09:30 Natty or Not Isn’t The Issue Anymore
10:23 Natural Side Getting Squeezed Out
12:24 Drug Use Is Becoming Rampant
13:30 Testosterone is OVERRATED!
14:27 Turkesterone Rant
17:11 Diversify Your Interests
17:50 TRT is NOT expected
18:28 Social Media Pressure
21:16 Noble Natties: ASSEMBLE
23:00 Grab My Book It's Very Helpful
Igor's Original Video:
• QUITTING TESTOSTERONE?...
Greg's Embarrassing Response:
• Video
Ashwagandha Study “Cited” On The HTLT website:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
Iron Culture TRT Episode (highly recommended):
• Ep. 136- All About Tes...
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Geoff's Book? (Currently on sale for $19.99, has 4.7 stars, rave reviews, enjoy!)
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@@notashton. yes I should be clear, this book is definitely not for those who cannot read.
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@@notashton. I mean I can read, but not outloud
Me, a Noble Natty, stopping by to tell you all to keep the yolks in your eggs when you make French Toast
Bbbut the fat! and cholesterol!!!
@@OMAR-vk9pi wHaT aBoUt ThE vOlUmE?! How will I know I’m full if I don’t look eight months pregnant and am farting at an Olympic level?!
me, a Noble Natty, will be following your advice in the making of French Toast
I’m glad Greg made me make French toast. I’m glad I’m too lazy to separate yolks or buy egg whites XD
I mean regular French toasts are great
Also use brioche bread or challah for your french toast so you can use even more egg yolks. Apple cinnamon french toast is my favorite autumn breakfast.
Forget turkesterone, has anyone tried a cycle of Toblerone? Is it something I should ease into, or can I just blast it?
I heard Bjornsson became the mountain from blast n' cruising Toblerone so, blast it all the way
Yeah I usually get jacked around Xmas cuz my mom loves it. 🍫
blast it, you'll put on plenty of mass!
Blast it, don't ever come off
Will comfirmed add more mass then turk.
Greg got ratio'd hard on his videos response. Im so proud of this community 🙌
How can you tell ?!
@@mattc4266 I think there's browser extensions?
@@mattc4266 I saw it in a dream
@@mattc4266 The video had like 133k views and ONLY 3.7K likes. Ouch
I clicked the video to read the comments (while on pause obviously) and there's not a single positive comment, everyone was calling him out. It was beautiful.
"you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain" I think this quote applies well to greg
Mannn, that dude came out the womb a villain
The villains get the most attention, and in this case $$$
He was a hero for like 3-4 months back in july to november 2019, then he started all that drama stuff
I gotta thank Alphadestiny so fucking much, man. I mean, seriously. I'm nearly bulletproof when it comes to alll this bs in the fitness industry because of that dude.
100% agree. Him, natural hypertrophy and now more recently for me, Geoffrey (just discovered this channel through alpha destiny), are real gems in the sea of bullshit that is fitness. I only wish I had access to this kind of quality content 7 years ago when I first walked into the gym and didn’t know what the fuck I was doing. Very grateful for the good these guys are doing by sharing their knowledge.
@@acsuperiasnoipa same dude. Same.
@@acsuperiasnoipa 100%
I’ve made more progress in the last 9 months than I did in my first two years. In large part due to Sean, Geof, Revival, alpha, and even Jeff Nipple Science 🧬
He is my favorite by far because I agree with his approach. I have learned useful things from others but he’s really the backbone and still holds up well even after the initial introduction of new concepts. Others I credit for their achievements is Bald Omni Man (bench is similar to Alex except at slightly lower weight with double the range of motion, dude is a freak) and Alec Enkiri (squat is pretty good for staying in the 160 pound class)
He got a lot better in recent years, even if he does come of a little bit fake with his way of speaking. I wish, he could admit his OHP/Pushpress mistake and his deadlift video
Greg literally got mad at Jeff Nippard not wanting to use turkesterone and he even said Jeff is biased because he doesn't like greg. Greg wants to make everything about himself
exactly, he tried to manipulate the audience into thinking that Jeff nippard is bias just to win argument
He's lost himself to his own echo chamber.
@@Evolvedpants This applies to another RUclipsr on the gaming side known as Griffin Gaming. He and Greg built their channel screeching into an echo chamber and gathering a brain dead cult for protection against criticism
Jeff the sauce slurper?
The truth is that Greg is the biggest diva in the fitness content industry.
Student Aesthetics be like: “A dyel critiqued my form, I’m so stressed out, time to take gear”
Seriously. The phrase “Grow a pair” needs to be said more
Tren, test, mk and aromatase inhibitor
Duuuude Greg got crushed in that comment section. Igor’s reply was spot on: Greg today is everything he used to rage against.
How low Greg has fallen. His video response to that comment is too much. Besides that, all of Vitruvian’s video was great and he made really good points, one of the few honest fitness guys that have been around for so long
Nope people using his base for click bait
@@michaelmayers3622 here come the greg fanboys. Greg uses everyone’s names for clicks, that’s how he got popular in the first place
@@suefitness5613 actually I don't fan boy thays for kids and groupies. 2 duhhh but I got notifications from home before he even did that. If u heavlybinto fitness vids u find people easybon your own. 3nevwr said her perfect nobody is not even u and I. 4 he more calling people out not just using their names. People trying to say he lying when infant he already prove they was the ones lying just trying to get veins. Nothing wrong with that on either side but don't lie for veiws. I'm not agoans anybody hustle or how they make money as long as u not lieing
@@michaelmayers3622 I had a stroke trying to read that
@@michaelmayers3622 Stop projecting your God’s bullshit onto others
Proud “noble natty”, as I believe the journey to reach your fitness goals is possibly the most important part of the process. There’s no physique goal worth shaving a decade or more off your life, or having to deal with unnecessary health issues down the road from PED abuse.
Great video Geof! 💪
Enhancement dr gs are cringe 🤮
Stay small fake natty brother
Most people are just doing testosterone these days , if done properly it’s not gonna “shave years off your life “ let people do what they want as long as there hounest with it
@@TheAnimefool I don’t pass judgement on people who choose to use PEDs as long as they aren’t lying about it to sell products or services under false pretenses or misleading people about what’s naturally achievable. And I don’t think “most people” are using testosterone these days (though it’s probably more common now than before), & I specifically said it would shave years off people’s life if they abuse PEDs, which is a very true statement. 👍
The "lifetime natural" title itself is worth not touching PEDs.
I used to run a TRT clinic as a provider. Was very picky about who I would recommend therapy for. Even then, I would say about 50% of men I would start on therapy didn’t get enough benefit to continue after a year or so. They either were expecting too much from the dosages I was willing to work with or wouldn’t do anything in the diet/exercise department to elicit any real change.
That being said, there were quite a few guys (and gals) who had a new lease on life after getting optimized. These people almost always had realistic expectations going into therapy, followed up on good lifestyle changes, and really just wanted to feel normal again.
Following someone "just because they're big" sounds exactly like what Warhammer Orks do, and I find this funny for some reason.
Finally someone cultured. Great comment
My boy was suffering from low T, depression, mood swings, etc. He was having a rough time in life and his T levels were bar none. He got on a low-dose of trt and it seemed like he had the mental stability and drive to solve all his problems.
Why were his T levels so low at 31? Cause he blasted mad steroids in his early 20s. Juicers gonna juice.
No he didn't before the trt. It was because he was trying to be 8% bf all the time. He then went on it instead of dealing with the dysmorphia. In other words, he is your average Greg fan, and sadly he is not solving the core problem
@@doggodesign4259 i had mad genetics as a young man, at 17yrs old I started casual building and at 18 I geared it up.. by 19yrs of age I was 147kgs at around probably 15-18% body fat.. my endocrine system failed, not because of low body fat because I always ate whatever I pleased.. it failed because 147kgs during peak puberty with max testosterone was achievable (for my genetics) but was not sustainable..
@@mysty0 I am so sorry, what happened since then?
@@doggodesign4259 well that was 26yrs ago now.. Its a long story, I gave you the short of it above. but I experienced a major traumatic brain injury (TBI) took them 20yrs to realize I had developed a Pituitary Tumor .. I spent the next 20yrs arguing with doctors who gaslit me all the way telling me I was healthy when I lacked any strength and any attempts to lift, even light, resulted in my losing consciousness.. I couldn't enjoy martial arts and boxing anymore.. after a few years I started experiencing bone density issues and muscles wasting.. it wasn't until I was 170kgs of obese blob that a doctor finally ran a hormone panel when I had been screaming at them for one for the last 20yrs.. I am now on a medication for the tumor but being denied TRT.. slowly making my road to recovery but I'll never be 100%
So the long story is a little more complex.. but Im not so certain the TBI mattered in the long run.. I think my endocrine system had simply been pushed to its absolute limit and was unable to support the muscle it had grown beyond my physical peak as a young man
I think this is why a lot of golden era bodybuilders got on the gear.. many of them trained through their peak puberty as young men and were large lads, but would have started feeling their strength just fading on the other side of that hormonal peak and unable to provide their muscles with the peak testosterone they needed
He had low testosterone, because he was too lean for too long.
Caught the Athlean-X arm size tape measuring edit💀😂 9:45
It's so funny how sensitive Greg is, but he's one of the most disrespectful people in all of fitness RUclips.
Couse hes very insecure and dumb
@@Req566 dude does not train abs, he flexes it hahahaha.
I think I’d get along well with Greg if I knew him in person, maybe as a neighbor or if we went to the same gym or something, but from only knowing him through RUclips… not so much.
thats almost always the case though
@@DFunct905 personnaly completely diffrent opinion
Great video as always, have learned so much this past week from finally finding this channel! I've literally stopped following so many fitness channels after learning more these past couple of years. This is the channel I'll recommend to fellow noobs from now on.
17:25 OMG THANK YOU for including this. Knowing that you can achieve this elite level of running while lifting makes the temptations go away for me.
As a mental health professional, I feel there is a lot of pain, rage, and sorrow with these guys who are obsessed with size and aesthetics. I’ve had therapist report large muscular men, breaking down and crying bc they still feel small and weak due to some sort of childhood trauma. I started drifting in that direction for a while. I even got good results. But my therapist realized the connection, and I knew I was doing it (partially) to outgrow the part of myself I felt was weak.
That and the world tells you if you don't look like *X giant dude here* then you are worthless and you won't be loved. So it just seeps into your brain, and it's fucked. Channels like this though help me wash it out.
Not even just “weakness”, i’d say more so feeling inadequate in some way, and is continually reinforced as nobody will ever be 100% satisfied with their progress, which just makes them feel even more inadequate with themselves. I feel a lot of these guys who build their life around being in the gym need to see that there is more to life than just lifting and getting big/strong, and put their desire to self improve into other, more productive areas of their life which is healthier in the long run.
I feel this immensely. I am quite consciously training to numb the pain I experience nearly every day because of a traumatic event that should not even affect me anymore at this point. I feel like I have to make up for my worthlessness by getting bigger and stronger. Although there are times where it all gets better, I still feel like my baseline is being down. My sympathetic drive is super high all the time too, because my mental health is so poor. I just hate the place that I‘m in.
Adonis complex is deeply upsetting and difficult. We spent a decade worrying about younger girls and completely ignoring younger lads. We're paying for that now, and no authority seems to care because lads simply don't complain as much.
Lmao imagine going to a pseudo scientist quack and getting prescribed hard opiods.
Subscribed. New lifter here that’s hitting his first plateau, it’s been extremely tempting with everything going around on social media and even some respectable fitness podcasts!!! These two videos probably saved me from a very dark path. Thank you!
I’m still not sure if Greg reacting to “F*ck, Greg” as “F*ck Greg” was him willfully trying to manipulate the audience and paint Igor as a bully or if he genuinely was dumb/sensitive enough to perceive it that way. The sad thing is that either case is equally likely.
I think mostly the former, as Greg himself phrased it as "come on, Greg" at one point in his video. I don't think any native speaker could really misinterpret that. The word is a flexible one but we know when someone is using it in each way.
He is a meanie. He called me a mosquito and berated me earlier today when I questioned if it was a good idea for his fans with weight issues to be getting bulk orders of his 200kcal chocolate protein bars delivered to their homes.
@@JR-gl1nx After Geoffrey called him out about his book and got a copyright strike and Greg got a lot of backlash he said no more calling people mosquitos. Said call him out if he makes mistakes. Now if he gets called out he cries. Unfair to call him out as people twist things, when his channel was built on calling people out and twisting their videos.
The point where I saw Greg reacting to Igors channel in such a horrifically disrespectful way was the first nail for me in the coffin to Watching Greg. After watching videos from NH and a few others that solidified it. I mostly just ignore his content now.
Man, you're the best for being able to deal with idiotic comments like that guy saying you're small. You showing off your physique around the 11:05 mark is so impressive. I can only aspire to get close to that level. I'm not dead yet so there is hope albeit I'll be in my 50s by then but I'm doing it and thanks to folks like you who put out quality material and who actually care about people to help them be the best they can be, it's that much easier. I don't have to over think about what and how to do it. It really is all about me. Thank you as always, Geoffrey. I truly appreciate you. You're videos are funny af also. 👊🏽
Great video Geoff! I really honestly enjoy this. And it's super encouraging to hear other people the same mindset that I have in regards to being natural. Muscle building is phenomenal, for health, for longevity, for being able to even protect yourself and your family. We are designed to be able to build muscle, it's a silly thought to think our bodies can't build it without taking exogenous testosterone. And For how much I love building muscle I can never honestly see how anyone could make a case that to shorten your life just to have more muscle would be better than none. I love Igor I've been following his channel for almost a decade now. Thanks so much for both you guys and all the best!
Great way of utilizing this particular drama to bring emphasis to a very important and positive message.
1:19 so glad you brought this up. It's ridiculous how many men do mental gymnastics to try and justify TRT. If you wanna be on juice, fine, just don't exaggerate lies for it.
Totally agree. I have no qualms with people using peds none at all. Just either not say anything or say you're using if you're asked don't try and justify it with anything other than "I wanted to, end of"
If your t le eyes are low u might aswell get trt or hrt. Try is not steroids
@@michaelmayers3622 TRT is not steroids like an escort is not a hooker
@@michaelmayers3622 testosteron is a steroid, thus injecting it into your body even if you actually need it makes you not natty
@@dripshameless5605 it's not, it put your t levels in a normal range. A normal range is not steroid levels look it up. A escort not the same cause one just havi g sex for money the other is not. They more there fore dates , going to events , to have a pretty man or female om your arm. Your payi.g for their time in gen. If they do anything more for money lime sex then that's up to the individual. A ho a prostitute it's just sex.
I didn't believe in trt for so long. I was tested when I was 30 because I had broken my back at 18 and been in chronic pain and on narcotics ever since. The sensitivity to pain was increasing throughout my late 20s and energy levels, sex drive, or just motivation to live was dwindling. At 30, my doctor said my testosterone levels were less than a woman, in fact it was basically zero. I still didn't try it till my 40th birthday came and I decided to just see what happens... Now, I really can't even remember feeling this good, confident, or alive in all my life. I'm not a lifter or anything but to anyone actually suffering the symptoms of low testosterone, it could be a life saver
I'm not fully against it, I've heard some similar stories where it's clearly the best option. But at the same time, it's often over/misused.
I agree, TRT really turned my life around at 36. I was miserable. But i also didn’t look like these “influencers” who decide TRT will make them feel better when it’s driven by lifestyle/unrealistic expectations
Exactly. It's a shame idiots like Greg, Ohearn, etc... are in essence again causing a stigma for it. It's a last resort. I worry we are invalidating peoples hard work if they are on TRT legitimately.
@@jamiesutto I agree, ppl throw around “TRT” so much now that it’s almost a joke on social media
@@swoops41 but therein lies the problem... the vast majority of people on TRT don't do it for performance enhancement. But now that people feel better (mentally, physically, sexually) they want to get back into health and fitness, there's a lot of channels slamming TRT (or at least appearing to, intentional or not). they come to a REALLY GOOD source of info but the feel like a POS because they're on TRT, regardless of its legit. I have had literally 2 people want to stop because they thought they were using PEDs based on various videos.
It's a pendulum, we need to make sure we don't swing over to the opposite side...
Great video Geoff! We need more of this type of content regarding drug use!
Man so happy to find U. I have been finding some quality fitness people
Thanks. Your editing is funny too. Respect the beard!!
dude, if anyone criticizes your physique, they are completely delusional. You have a great amount of muscle. Keep up the good content.
The people calling him small most likely have severe body dysmorphia, and a lot of other mental health struggles.
Cause what normal person goes around insulting others on the internet right? 😂
@@aidaninsua lol exactly
Igor mentioned Greg for less then 2 minutes in a 15+ minute video,
Then Greg made a 20 minute video about that 2 minutes with beautiful editing .
Now Greg made multiple videos about nippard gf, calling her overweight etc and nippard ignored it fully. Funny how far Greg has fallen, it's like watching cringe humour
Lol he's blind. Stephanie is beautiful with a very beautiful body. Lovely person too.
I don't know how Greg's gf puts up with him.. I've seen videos where he just screams over her, talks down to her. He calls his own gf "overweight" ffs..
On the topic of Stephanie Buttermore, Greg made multiple videos criticizing her intuitive eating advice.
But recently(ish), he tried advocating for his "maingaining" again. Both him and his bro suggested not tracking calories and just "living life", bc 'the body will know to make up the lost energy from training.' Sounds quite like intuitive eating here.
If we were to compare their intuitive eating advices, Greg's is definitely shittier. And he's a hypocrite.
Expect to not make gains listening to his advice, and after he said: "if you don't have abs, you're fat."
Everyone's going to be obsessed with leanness bc of the body dysmorphia he promotes and think they'll magically gain muscle w/o any fat gain. It only works with ppl who already have muscle, and a sufficient bf% to begin with.
I honestly wish we lived in an alternate reality where Greg saw Jeff pee in the cup and proved he was natty and Greg deleted his channel.
@@texasbeaver8188 well said bud.
@@HillbillyYEEHAA Beautiful and overweight are not mutually exclusive. You can find her beautiful, but that doesn't mean she's not still objectively overweight. And that's something Greg has clarified countless times in his videos. It's not an insult to call someone obese if they are objectively obese. To say they're obese and that makes them ugly would be a different case entirely, but shielding people from the simple fact that they're obese and denying it entirely is enabling them to only make their situation worse for themselves.
@@tristan4623Except that's not what he did. In a video about Stephanie, it started off with him referring to a pet pig he had indoors. And then, as he turned the conversation toward Stephanie, he said "speaking of pigs..."
Neither Greg nor any of his fans get to say he's "only speaking objective medical facts" after that. He's fatshaming and bullying a woman who has been very explicit about her emotionally fraught relationship to food and her body.
This is great. Perfect video. Must take forever to put all tgose clips together.
A not insignificant amount of time, yup.
Much needed message in this video. Thanks G
Thanks man you really help me to overcome my body dysmorphia
Dude i want u to grow so much . All natties should be ruling the fitness industry . At the end of the day it's bodybuilding and not body destroying by peds .
The "lifetime natty" question is always a fun discussion in tested powerlifting, especially with USAPL and IPF allowing powerlifters who've taken banned substances in the past to compete if they've been off the stuff for 2 years.
I'm glad to watch every channel anyway regardless of drama, at end of the day free quality info for me!
Great presentation!
I can proudly say that i finally hit that subscribe button again on Gregs channel after like 2 years
If you don't get it i unsubscribed
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Me to man, I followed greg from when he had 16k subscribers all the way to 1.300.000 million. Dude had amazing content but now it's all drama. He lost his way and one of his OG subscribers 👋🏼
Binged his videos months ago, but never subbed
The big "problem" here is that no one wants to admit there the human body has limits. And each body's limits are different. What ever happened to being the BEST version of YOU? The physical limits is why, like you said, it's so important to have varied interests. One of those interests should ALWAYS be improving yourself mentally/spiritually as well.
The body have no limits it just sliw down u reach the age of ederly
@@michaelmayers3622 In what we can achieve physically, you're right. Or, at least, we haven't reached a limit yet. I was thinking a bit more extreme "limits".
@@Greybeardfit are u talking about strength or Physique. I do believe physique u reach your limits
@@michaelmayers3622 agreed.
@@michaelmayers3622 Yes. I was talking about the upper genetic limit of each individual. Unenhanced upper genetic limit, specifically.
The reaction was GOLD, subbed
Just commenting again to tell ya how awesome your content and book is. That's all... have a great day!
I still _can't believe_ Greg uploaded that video. Even his little teaser clip before his stock graphic intro is basically "which part of this is the most embarrassing for me?"
I cringed so hard that I just knew for sure the video was some kind of sarcastic joke that Igor was in on and I kept waiting for the payoff and it never happened. I was stunned for like 30 seconds after the video.
also can anyone explain to me what a "skank oil artist" is
It's an astonishing lack of self awareness.
@@EpicMathTime 😂
I know Geoff is a top tier creator because it's impossible to pick out a 'best' video
Good stuff man, enjoyed it!
so ive had tremendous gratitude towards greg for helping me alot with diet / avoiding binge eating and it has been hard seeing his decline into bad faith arguments and straw manning. i was subscribed to him up until this video he made about virtruvian physique. i still hold a tremendous amount of gratitute towards Greg but i cannot keep watching his videos until he takes a step back and self reflects. i do hope somehow that he will have a moment of clarity.
I'm 1 minute in and your comment about trt being steroids is 100% accurate. I'm 45 and started TRT about 2 years ago. I was fat my entire life etc, and when I wasn't seeing much results in the gym after starting lifting at 40, I went and got tested. My test was 119ng/dl. I was fresh into "fitness" so I had they "lifestyle" down. I trained ate and slept properly. So I hopped on trt. I can say 100% TRT is "steroids". Even on a replacement dose that only puts you in the normal range it has benefits naturals will never see. There's nothing I can eat or get too little sleep or recovery that will ever affect my test levels. My levels are always the same no matter what. 3 hours sleep? 900 test, 12 hours sleep 900 test, fasted 900 test. It's always where I want it based on dose.
You're right about the body dysmorphia from just becoming interested in fitness, a year ago I didn't even care what I looked like at all under my clothes in terms of muscle
I just discovered ur channel and I got to say its really informative and entertaining
Highly agree that stress is a choice and how we react to situations matters a lot. There is a popular Indian philosophical quote that suggests we should be calm/even during times of happiness or sadness, success and failure, praise and hate, wealth and need. We cannot let external factors control us.
I got a lot of shit for that statement so I'm glad someone agrees. Will probably do a full vid on it.
@@GVS no wonder, most of the media is trying to romanticize things like stress, depression. I have tried to expose this in a few of my recent articles. Waiting for your video. It will help people with their mental fitness 💪
@@GVS I doubt you needed someone to request it but I’d love to see a video from you on stress. Especially since I remember you saying it’s been a long time since “you’ve been above a 3/10 in terms of stressed out” or something along those lines
@@0715yt will be soonish (~two weeks or so)
I'm a month shy of 49, and I can't say I've ever been seriously tempted by the idea of steroids. I'm one of those rare people that you tell me the side effects of drugs, and I don't want to have anything to do with them. There is a little part of me that is kind of curious what my testosterone numbers look like, and there is an even smaller part of me that is curious what would happen with my training if my doctor put me on TRT, but if it happens, my doctor will be the one to bring it up. While I would love to see my strength go up, I have enough joint issues pop up as is.
About the happiness/physique relationship. I'm not training for aesthetics. I train for more strength and athletic performance. In about the last year or so, I started to really enjoy my training for the training itself, and I stopped caring what I look like. Ever since then, my happiness and overall satisfaction with life has gone up. My physique has actually improved a lot as well since I stopped caring about it. I can completely understand how the inverse relationship happens when physique is the primary/only goal. I would say that it is the rule for almost anyone who doesn't have their crap together.
I full body lift 3x per week with basic progressive overload, run 20 sprints a week (hill and flat), walk 15-20K steps daily, and don't eat like an asshole in tandem with intermittent fasting.
This keeps me strong enough to hold my own, fit enough to survive, lean enough to have visible abs, and healthy as a horse year round. That's honestly good enough for me. Have never wanted to take gear once in the 27 years I've been lifting.
It's great to see the comment section on Greg's video and notice that everyone got it right.
I would like to know what you think about the information and the guys from MindPump and the B.U.F.F. Dudes.
Great video, Geoff. Igor is the first person that taught me value information and helped me to detect BS on RUclips. I've been watching him since 2015.
I’m on TRT and, honestly, no regrets (so far). I’ve done everything I could to naturally raise testosterone but I’ve had insanely low T all my life. It just became a logical choice. I figure as long as I keep the dose reasonably low I’ll just take it for as long as it’s safe to do so.
Love your content though!
Greg’s evolution since his low video quality videos to now has been quite sad. Thankful for people like you!
Great vid, Geoff!
Your take on this is great and very helpful.
I often thought about doing some shit to improve my results and to look better. I thought my results were terrible because fitness media is full of illusions. I left social media long ago except for yt but it is the same here. You can find a few natural lifters but even they often create wrong expectations as well. but I figured out that the real reason why i train is that I enjoy my training. Process is fucking slow and Ill never be able to compete with influencers but I keep improving. There is always a way you can improve a bit. Even if it is just one f* push up more or one rep more doing curls with very low weight. You need to accept these things as they are: success. If you cant even do that anymore, do new exercises or learn something different.
But becoming a drug addict will never solve anything but create many new problems.
Good points apart from the point at 16:50. Greg says ashwaganda increases testosterone, to my knowledge he has never claimed turkesterone increases testosterone.
Finally someone in this comment section with a brain.
The internet really skews people’s perception. I remember posting a video of me benching 215lbs when I was in 8th grade. I was by far one of the biggest, most impressive kids at my age that I knew in real life but because the standards are so high no one cared.
This is true... how many guys can even rep 2 plates at any normal gym? Like on average I would say maybe 10% of guys who are natural and take it somewhat seriously. Now with youtube unless you rep 4+ plates you aren't considered strong or impressive.
I totally get that. When I curled 35s in grade ten in my school gym, kids thought it was impressive. Ofcourse it's not a whole lot really, but the internet will make it seem weak asf. And 215 lb in gr 8 is pretty insane. I'm still trying to get to 185 at 17. And can cheat curl 50s for a few right now
Almost 2 plates in 8th grade is phenomenal
Benching 215 in 8th grade is freaking unreal man.
@@syedzaheerhussainshahkazmi1241 yep unreal lol
Social media can be such a negative influence. The addiction to social media is only one aspect that is negative. Thanks for the info.
That episode of Iron Culture which you referenced, was really pushing that 80-85% quit rate for TRT after a year pretty hard without really thinking too deeply as to who is in that group. In one of Dr. Mike's many videos explaining the Darkside, he explains how going on and off TRT in between cycles of other heavy steroids is a pretty common path. I'm not saying that this group accounts for everybody who's going off TRT within 12 months but I am pretty sure it makes up a pretty big chunk of that number.
Another banger Geoffrey 👌
99% of these fitness influencers have such low self esteem, looking for endless validation on social media. People need to just learn to be happy achieving the results that they can naturally, who gives a shit if you're not as big and string as the next guy, if you base your whole identity on how you look or how much weight you can lift, you are setting yourself up for a painful life. I'd much rather listen to a guy like Geoffrey any day!!
Most people cant even lift their own bodyweight in the gym give or take on any exercise EVER, lol
More needs to be done and people shoild aim for excellence of course but ppl should be proud of what theyve accomplished
Great vid Geoff
The fake reaction part around 15:00 is absolutely hilarious
Love how my recommended had Greg’s response recommended saying “LIE”. Where’s the lie lmao? There’s no substantial evidence that Turk does anything, much less 4 pOuNdS a month like Greg says (while saying 10-12 pounds first year of training is amazing genetics)
15:25 the fake reaction bit😂😂😂😂😂😂
Beyond that I literally FULLY agree with what you said in this video, for me it took several years to understand, that although the sentence "stress is a choice" is technically true, it is just way to easy to misunderstand this simple sentence.
Let me leave here some food for thought:
I know a person very close to me, who had a quite traumatizing childhood starting already before birth. Fetal life conditions, including stress on the mother (which was a real factor in this case), have a serious impact on the individual already in the womb (high insulin and cortisol levels in the mother do directly impact the baby's physical development). Further than that, there are several studies concluding that extensive psychological stress in the first 3 years of an infant can have noticeable detrimental effect on the development of the prefrontal cortex, which then leads to poor impulse control, and emotional dysregulation. So, although such a person is technically making a "choice" when reacting on things happening in their life, it is still quite inappropriate to use the word "choice" in it's fullest meaning, as their avaialbe reaction "choices" to choose from are quite limited if we take in context the potential issues or underdevelopment in their prefrontal cortex - for which they are not responsible, as we can firmly state that they didn't choose the life circumstances of the first few years of their life (including fetal conditions). This is not for exempting everybody from the liability of their own choices, I rather wanted to leave this here as a reminder that human psychology is very complex and it is not that simple to talk about choices and judging human behavior based on certain choices.
Yep him over simplifying what it is or means to be “stressed” was laughable attempt at appearing smart
12:30 That's something we all need to be told then with an explanation on why we shouldn't rush the process. There may be people who are too blackpilled into being helped and why their standards why were too unrealistic. We just need to put it in our heads as newbies that it takes years to get where want to go and it's hard work. It is a process just like losing fat
I’ve definitely learned a ton from Greg Doucette. I went from 255lbs to 200 by myself. Greg’s advice got me down to 185 and I’ve never looked better in my life. Some of these guys do (like you said) put out solid advice.
He's just an informational for his products, dude. He strawmans bulking every time and lies about his supplements. Stay way from that dude if you want to avoid body dysmorphia. He projects it on his audience. Do you really want advice from some roid head?
Glad to see the “noble natty” label.
I'm glad to finally find a fitness youtuber that doesn't suck and fill me with cognitive dissonance.
Always the best humor. 👌
I know this video is a couple months old, but I just found you (thanks Sean Nalewanyj
) and I can tell you why a lot of guys quit. It's. A. Fucking. Pain. I've been on TRT for almost 20 years because I'm a 3x Cancer Warrior. I've been lifting on and off for several years just to be healthy and for obvious aesthetics, but I've had a lot of injuries from lifting the wrong way and too fast. I'm back at it, the RIGHT way now. TRT info is overwhelming and almost as ridiculous as "Get a 6 Pack in 2 Weeks" kind of bullshit. TRT sucks, it's inconvenient, screws with all kinds of stuff when you don't need it, it's a pain to get it, and it's expensive. If you're natty, stay that way. Get off IG and get some therapy for your body dysmorphia, if you have it. Stay safe. Train hard.
My old manager lost his balls to cancer and hated taking his trt.
Miss time a dose and all of a sudden your all e no t and you go crazy.
Watching this while driving. 🚗
nice work!
18:06 That study concludes that there is a very small decline in test from puberty to about 40 after which it completely stabilizes as the line in the middle of the graph shows. And the study had about 10k men and every single small dot is a man, so you can see in the graph there are plenty of 80 year olds who still have relatively high test levels.
I read that study quite a while ago and it was very informative and it's also much newer (2014) than most studies people refer to when referencing the testosterone decline, most of which are from the early 2000s or last century. It was also a larger study and had a wider variety of people than almost any other study done on this topic (10k participants). The older men with low T are the exception there not the rule, so when some people suggest that everyone should be on steroids when older it's absolutely baffling and simply wrong.
Your test is not supposed to decline forever like so many fitness influencers like to promote, it usually peaks at puberty for very obvious reasons after which it declines a VERY SMALL amount until you are about 40, after which it stabilizes. Any further decline is almost always caused by a crappy lifestyle and in very small percentage of cases a genetic default. But let's not lie to ourselves, the vast majority of these people with low T are like that due to their lifestyle and can only blame themselves, but they will never admit it and if you point it out they will get angry and lash out at you, anything to not admit guilt, self victimizing is very appealing.
You are right, it isn't "normal" to take steroids when you are older and people shouldn't expect to be pumping injections every week once they reach a certain age, it's a very toxic idea and it annoys me that it just keeps getting promoted by people out to make money and the masses just keep eating it up like candy. This is why I like your channel, you don't buy into the bullshit most people believe in.
I'm glad Greg's viewers are finally starting to realize he's evil. He does what he does so he can steal innocent people's money, and people are finally starting to see through his BS
Money does change people.He was likeable before mid 2020
I think part of him is a narcissist. He literally loves himself, thinks he's right about everything, doesn't like criticism...
@@user-cw5zl4rs5m Used to post the best stuff, but like he said in his videos, good information isn't sexy and isn't marketable. Lies and supplements on the other hand...
In Canada, he is well known in steroid circles as a snitch and people still want to kill him. He ratted out all of his buddies when he used to sell steroids so he could walk clean. Greg is a complete scumbag.
@@user-cw5zl4rs5m yeah, the lockdown Greg binges
Great message, people really need to hear it. I occasionally look through the MPMD subreddit and it is shocking the people that are: taking steroids while looking like a rail, getting on TRT in late teens/early 20s, or just have absolutely no idea what is "natty achieveable"
I agree that you can never get your "natty card" back. If you've ever taken anything at all, you should be saying "i've been natty for x years" and true naturals can say they are "lifetime natty".
Personally I've truely never been tempted by PEDs. I think I can attribute it too not being involved in any fitness social media (no youtube, instagram, magazines, anything) for my first 10 years of lifting. I learned the basics from high school classes and just went with it. I was already content with my physique before I got involved in the fitness industry's madness. Plus like you said having multiple interests, I've done more distance running than lifting, so I wasn't 100% focused on muscle building
I might do a deep dive into his subreddit a few people have actually messaged me about it. Sounds...well...like a breeding ground for early PED usage.
Loki meme was such a good illustration of the mindset we need.
My life expectancy calculator says 91 years. I should probably hope not.
But I don't even eat candies or cakes or pastries, no alcohol, no smoking, nothing resembling normal. Here's the thing: I don't have to use any will power to live my lifestyle. I just don't like candies pastries etc. I just don't. I like pescatarian diet. Give me all the rainbow trout
Do
"I've hit my natural limit"
Every time I hear it , it pisses me off so much.
'I've HiT My NaTuRaL LiMiT and yet my bench still 275"
@@innovatixn99 ive hit my natural limit ay 19. Ok.
@@innovatixn99 bro you won't believe but people at my gym think benching 2plates is impossible for them.
Getting pissed off causes stress, so start choosing not to get pissed off about decisions that other people make which cause no harm to you. You could think it’s idiotic, sure, but get pissed off every time? C’mon don’t let that get to you.
Clearly you haven't
That rant was epic
Currently running Dianabol and test but I still like your content.
Hope it's still useful! 💪
13:53 Very true. I got my results back at 170ng/dl some years ago. Which seems really out of place if you'd see me. I'm hairy af, have a real deep voice and an FFMI of ~24 with a year of gym experience. Recently I've tested it again and got my results back at the mid 700s.
I've learned a lot in these years and can say that there's a shitton of things to do before hopping on TRT.
Sleep, nutrition, supplements, exercise, love life, drugs, alcohol and many more factors should be taken into account before sticking any needles in your body.
You cant make that blanket statement without the caveat that it only applies provided you dont have any medical/genetic/etc issues causing your problems. There are plenty of folks that have legitimate medical issues that make TRT the only solution. I dont care what you think you know but you arent fixing shyte with sleep/diet/etc when you have medical/genetic issues holding you back or at the root of your issues!
People forget it drops and raises all the time. If you go in the gym and smash the shit out of your body youll drop it and itll raise once you recover.
Thank you for shouting out rock climbing it’s an amazing sport
Lots of fun! I suck at it...but still, fun!
I looked into it. Indoor climbing is expensive 😫
I started on TRT 7 years ago at age 49 and it's really improved my life.
good video man
That “Natural Limit” edit was absolutely perfect 🤣🤣🤣👌🏻
Merijn was below 12% since he had started his channel, so no freaking duh he was going to have low T and sex drive. Outside the natty underground, no one discusses this.
And this gave us the Vitruvian Comma, lads 😊
oh shit VP legit popped off, wasn't expecting that but I feel the same.
I unironically started liking the name ''noble natties'' what have you done 😔
12:15 When Igor mentions how old you start, it's a bit of a tricky situation. If you start too young you might mess with your brain developement and other stuff but the older you start blasting the less shit your body can handle. Shawn Rhoden died before 50 yo because he was taking loads of drugs later in life. His career started in 2009 (before he had to assist his dad) so he blasted for 12 years. Consider that Nasser who died more or less at the same age (47 yo) started blasting in 1993 and did so for another 20 years. So if you choose to start roids start after 21 yo but before 35 yo.
It's bad out there. In some subcultures anything less than IFBB pro is dyel. There's just no nuance with them. Sad to see Bostin go so early. He'll be missed.
@@GVS Yep. He was a smart guy but he was crazy. I know it's bad out there but it wasn't that much better 20/30 years ago. People got hit by the drugs blackpill in the 90'. Back then there wasn't even an alternative to bodybuilding. I love bodybuilding but it ruins some people's sanity and ideologically is near to Nietzsche's "superhuman" and the idea of constant self surpassment. If you have the opportunity read Nietzsche, it's really hard to decrypt but it will make you reflect deeply just like it happened to me.
@@giganticitalianbodybuildin1584 I would also recommend Carl Jung if you like Nietsche
The new 4K camera is great.
Thumbnail on point, lol
Me personally, the enhanced lifters I follow, I follow for lifestyle, fashion and image inspiration. I dunno but dudes like Simeon, Brandon, CBum and Obi... I just really like the "image" they post on social media. I have not one shred of a hope or belief I'll ever look like them.... I know for a fact that we don't see everything going on behind the scenes, in between the amazing pictures and photoshoots... but hey, I used to be an obese, anti social recluse, addicted to all sorts of shit... No friends... Poor hygiene and grooming. Just an all round and complete incel loser... But in the last 4 years I've lost about 70 pounds of fat....put on about 15-20 pounds of muscle, have improved my relationships, my career and finances, my social life ... Everything's gotten better. And I 100% equate it to starting to work out. 100000%!!
C bum looks somewhat normal in the off-season. SIMEON looks like a comic book character.
@@gregpettis1113 K
Why do men worship Cbum so much? He looks like a monstrous freak. Is this what you aspire to look like?
@@loosecannon6142 what do you mean men? Women admire that too you know
Yeah, Simeon looks like a DBZ character to me.
And at the same time, he's gonna sit there(literally, sometimes) and tell you you're a troll bc you think he's a fake natty. His traps betray him. Ever seen a Natty with traps that overshadow his lats? Didn't think so. I am well versed in NattyorNot 101.
And all he's given the fitness community is brosplit programs and chicken-broccoli-and-rice meal plans. (We're getting lifting advice from metrosexuals).
Let's just not forget it was Fake Natties like him who kept us Real Natties small with their garbage advice. They gave us idealism and broken promises. And some of us were so crushed we stayed small, forever. Because sometimes the continuum of idealism turns to pessimism, instead of realism. I am fortunate to have gone thru the latter.
I won't forget what they did.
Anyway, glad to hear your life has improved quite splendidly
Igor's face when turk and greg was mentioned was priceless.
I've been training for 12 years (since I was 16) and I've never seriously considered steroids. I've thought about it for about 5 seconds before dismissing it as an option.
Ive decided your the most balanced sensical fitness youtuber, you cut through all the dogmatic egotistical bullshit and i love it