@@CostasMelas Bhrami scripts are derived from Indus scripts You have done a mistake recent archeology findings in tamilnadu keladi has proved Bhrami is from South India dates back to 600 bC. From potteries
@Sathiskumar Yes and No. Cuneiform (the grandfather of all writing scripts) had symbols for each word. So it had a huge vocabulary. But Aramaic was made from it and it was easy as it had each symbol for a letter. It spread through Alexander's Empire and Greek(another grandson of Cuneiform) emerged and also became widespread. Aramaic was spread to the Indus Valley,where it was converted into Brahmi. And Greek took over Aramaic(though it still existed for a time).But earlier Cuneiform was transformed by Elamites to Linear Elamite script. Then with trade across land,Elamites shared it with their linguistic brothers Harappans who made it into Indus script. Indus script was also used among the Dr and IAs for a time and influenced Aramaic also which came in the same place,thus Brahmi was created. An amalgam of mostly Aramaic and also a great deal of Indus script.
@ꅏꑀꁲꈜꑀ꒒ Depending on what you mean by "from scratch", the inclusion of Hangul in your list is confusing. If you mean "without knowing about writing at all", then Hangul doesn't belong. If you mean "writing system invented by people who might or might not know how to write, but are not basing the new system on a previous one", then other writing systems such as Inuktitut should be mentioned along with Hangul, and the list becomes a bit too long to manage.
People learning European languages: *slightly different words* People learning Asian languages: *completely different alphabets* (yes, writing systems)
The Chinese characters (hanzi, kanji) are not an alphabet. Each one of them represents an idea, not a sound. The kanas of the Japanese (hiragana, katakana) are syllabaries. Each one of them represents a syllable.
this must have been hell to make it's so hard to keep track of. honestly massive respect for being able to do this. this must have been one of your most difficult projects. congratulations
@@CostasMelas The Background Music was so moving especially when almost most of Asia was becoming Dark Green and India was still Orange 👍. Proud of the great sacrifices of our Ancestors to help us retain our cultural and linguistic identity.
This is a nice trade-off. Don't forget that it's quite hard to find a decent map to begin with. And if there is a larger map, it will include Central Asia and Siberia, the useless lands with no civilisation. Asia is China+India+Iran+Indochina. - Adûnâi
@Nephalim Power How can you not see that? It is pretty clear that the Middle East has much closer ties to North Africa, and to a lesser extent to Europe and the rest of Africa, than it does with the rest of Asia.
True I'm Cambodian I learned it in school. But maybe it's not as widespread. It's only used by monks, religious pilgrims and merchants at the port cities of the Mekong delta. And later by the royalties. But the people didn't know how to write the khmer language out in scripts yet.
@@piesause1376 im from malaysia, this map not totally accurate because southern thai from nakhon si thamarat or in malay we called ligor writien in kawi script used all in malay archipelago, then we switch to jawi or modified arabic with additional own script for our sound, patani region, santun, trang, krabi, phuket writen in jawi spoke malay while in chumpon are mon-khmer before all these people become thai. this not show all southeast asia script like old malay script like rencong, sumatra script like batak, gayo, rejang, kerinci, minangkabau, lampung, sulawesi, jawa, maluku, borneo script like iban script, luntarsug script in east coast of sabah, philippine pre-spainsh scipt like baybayin, tagbanwa, huanoo, buhid, luntarsug in sulu archipelago near sabah and others, except papua island dont have script. today javaese, balinese, sundaese, bugis sulawesi, lampung sumatran, batak sumtran, malay of bengkulu, south sumatran and jambi still used own script but not as offical as regional and heritage script.
Northern and southern bhrahmi have a lot of variations, e.g. tamil,Punjabi,Leia,telugu etc which are unintelligible like say Greek and Latin and cyrillic
Whereas the Chinese characters in China, Korea, and Japan had been totally intelligible to each other up to WW2. I don't know why this video separates them from the outset.
Telugu and Kannada are similar, however, right? And Devanagari is almost the same as Gujarati? Even the Siddham-derived Bengali is somewhat similar to Devanagari. And then you have the Odia, Sinhalese, Tamil and Malayalam scripts... Which are also connected to the likes of Thai/Lao/Khmer and Burmese. I've been drawing a map myself, could you split them in rough groups if you are familiar with them? - Adûnâi
@@angamaitesangahyando685 People often forget about how influential the Odias were. People often think that it was only the Tamilians that influenced South East Asia but Odias and Bengalis had a huge influence too. The Odia script looks more similar to the Burmese script to me than any South Indian script.
@@dwarasamudra8889 Odias influenced Balinese culture as well. That's why, Malaysians and Indonesians still call indians today as Keling ( the older name of Odisha, Kalinga) and we Odias still celebrate Bali jatra.
Mr Costas Melas, once again i lift my hat respectfully. Your animations require a tremendous amount of work and research, whereas other youtubers are making a thoughtless bullsh.t and they have hundreds of thousands of subscribers. Your work is educational and valuable. I salute you.
the egypts, and then the middle east, had really created legacy in spreading the writing systems on majority of the world. on the other hand, the chinese also creates their own legacy by creating their unique writing systems themselves and spread it throughout east asia. truly an interesting video and channel. thank you for making this!
Korea did not continue to use Chinese characters from China, but used improved characters such as Idu, Hyangchal, and Gugyeol that were more optimized for Korean language.
4:28, old Zhuang characters were not called "Sandwip" but "Sawndip", where "Saw" means "characters" and "Ndip" means "crude" (cognate with Proto-Austronesian *Qudip "Raw, Crude"), so the literally meaning would be "crude characters".
Always that one guy that just has to show how smart he is right? Keep it up man, everyone loves a know it all. 🧐🤮 how bout u just appreciate the incredible amount of effort and research he did 😁
ᮃᮊ᮪ᮞᮛ ᮞᮥᮔ᮪ᮓ ᮊᮤᮝᮛᮤ Modern Sundanese Script, the derivative from Old Sundanese and Pallawa (Brahmic) Script that used in Priangan/Pasundan Area, Indonesia
My country still use Jawi script. But, we didn't use it widely anymore only for religious events related to Islam. We learn it in "sekolah rakyat" (an Islamic school) from age 7-12. *Jawi is a type of Arabic script to write the Malay language.
So since the Brahmic langauges extended as far as the Philippine Islands (There it was called Baybayin which you didnt differentiate from the other Kawi scripts). That would mean that the Phoenician script, is the ancestor of almost all scripts. From Latin To Greek To Brahmic.
I always wondering how was the transition of Persian language from using Pahlavi script to Perso-Arabic script, it is very interesting to me. Sorry for my poor English 🙏🙏
It happened after the decline of Zoroastrianism from Persia, Zoroasters' most works were written down in Pahlavi, but after the Arabic invasion by Rashiddun and Umayyid Caliphs resp. Zoroastrians were highly executed, much of whom fled and took refugee in what is modern day Western coast of India, where their art and cultured later flourished however Pahlavi script couldn't make it. And back there in Persia, a new script called Parso-Arabic emerged which is in continuation till now. Interestingly this Parso-Arabic script also gave birth to Nastaliq script, which is used to write some Indian languages like Urdu (in Ind/Pak), Punjabi (Pak), Kashmiri (Ind/Pak).
I wonder why Mongolia never adopted some variety of Chinese characters. Going off of geography alone it seems way more likely than them adopting a script that comes from Arabic.
before Mongol empire, there are several languages group that is adopted by Northern nomaids yet not shown on this map, which I do not know why. The kithan Liao the Jurchen Jin. Mongol is a minority in Liao empire.
But as I recall these major writing systems are just groups, right? Cuz as I research before like Brahmic, as it approaches other native groups its structure rapidly changes to the point theyre mutually unintelligible to each other. Such as Indochina, malayan archipelago, and Indian subcontinent, even parts of China and central Asia. Like as well, Kulitan of Philippines, a Brahmic derived scripts that has been sinicized due to Hokkein (Chinese) immigrants. Nice video tho.
I think Kulitan adopting the vertical style of writing like Chinese might be a recent phenomenon, like a few decades and only a small minority practiced it. I am partially from the Kapampangan ethnic group and I only learned about the existence of the Kulitan a few years ago through RUclips videos. I asked an uncle about it and he was so surprised that it exists. Though I admit, I grew up in Canada and barely know much about Kapampangan culture but I've been researching ancient Filipino scripts for over 15 years and Kulitan only popped up in the internet a few years ago. I was thinking that it wasn't much different from the Tagalog Baybayin and it's just the Kapampangan variant of Baybayin.
@@JcDizon actually among Philippine writing system, kulitan is entirely different from the rest. Some considered other writing systems as just different penmanship and few changes to suit the langauge, but Kulitan, itself works differently from others to make it exclusively different.
@@thanasisvoutsas461 false. Africa is huge but only certain few writing system emerged, even icluding arabic, it is fewer than asia. Same on combined north and south america, what is their ancient writing system? I can’t recall one
How about following Video Ideas: -Spread of Metal Use (Copper, Bronze, Iron ect.) in Europe -Spread of Currency (Salt, Amber, Silver, Monery ect.) in Europe
Well,the Vedic civilization is (Harappan +Indo Aryan). So the Harappans already lost their script. And that the Vedas were preserved orally. Then Brahmi came from Aramaic and people wrote it down.
@@king_halcyon about brahmi, it's still under question weather its influenced by aramic or its an independent Indian script like indus valley script.!!..
This merely gives us which systems are where at what time. It doesn't give use that clear picture on how various writing-systems evolved from their ancestors. It would be good to do it the same way this channel has done with various language-trees. For example, I heard that most modern alphabets used today in Eurasian continent originate either from Egyptian Heiroglyphs or Chinese characters. Egyptian -> proto-Sinaitic -> Phoenician -> Greek -> Etruscan -> Roman -> Modern etc.
there were actually Khitan script (large version and small version), Tangut script, Jurchen script varied from Chinese characters, but all disappeared later
Well, Northern Brahmic and Southern Brahmic scripts are much more diverse, though you mentioned the ones outside India like Tibetan, Khmer, Thai but we also have Gurumukhi, Kannada, Tamil, Sinhala, Malayalam, Telugu, Oriya, Gujarati, Dogri etc Independent Brahmic Scripts in India. It's not just Devanagari, which is used only to write Sanskrit, Hindi, Kashmiri, Nepali and Marathi.
Plus many others that are no longer widely in use, such as Modi (for Marathi), Goykanadi (in Goa), Sharada (for Kashmiri), Multani, Khudabadi (for Sindhi), Mahajani (for Marwari)
great video! but why is west asia (aka middle east) not included? is west asia, not asia??? i always hate it when maps show "asia" but it is only eastern asia
Great video. I love how you simplify such complex things. A suggestion: no mention of Kharoshthi script, that was widely used in antiquity in Bactria and Indus before Brahmi scripts.
No, the phoenecian abjad based on the canaanite script was the basis for all of the abjads in the semitic languages, hebrew aramaic script-> arabic script
Amazing video. I’m glad I came across it. I have a question: when did the Greek script stop being used completely in the area east of modern Iran? On your map it’s still there by 200 AD. What is the latest use of it that you found in your research. I thought that it died out by the time of Kanishka the Great when he declared that the Greek alphabet would not be used anymore in 136 AD.
Thank you. After Kanishka there were a rapid decline in Bactria, but a minor usage was kept for a while. Moreover some around peoples such as Indo-Scythians kept the usage of the Greek for a small period later
Thanks for the cool video! I have a question. Chinese characters in China, Korea, and Japan had been totally intelligible to each other up to WW2. I don't know why this video separates them from the outset.
@Anastasia Cebulska But the widespread use of Hangul and Katakana hiragana in Japanese is relatively recent, and if you can find some East Asian newspapers from the beginning of the last century, you will find a high proportion of kanji in them.
@@jutea9858 up until the 1980s Hanja is seen in newspapers. Nowadays it is still used but only in news broadcasts and legal stuff, if I remember correctly.
Not true. In Japan Kanji is annotated with Kana. In Korea Hangul was invented way before WWII. In Vietnam they created unique characters. The Chinese characters are the same yes but the systems of writing, which the Chinese characters are a part of, are not.
Kazakhstan is switching to Latin because they are mighty TURKS, and the Mongolians are going back to their native top-to-bottom writing, both starting in 2020. - Adûnâi
Thats done by Tamilian politicians; they like to claim everything as Tamil. They even like to claim that all other South Indian lanaguges are derived from Tamil which is not true at all.
@@GrigRP Ignorant. Some sites about Brahmi scripts are discovered as early as 6th century BCE. While earliest influence of Aramaic in India is 4th century BCE and in only in western Indus valley. It proves it was not from Aramaic.
@@xyrocknirmou8699 its like the Greeks. We Indians forgot how to write for a while and then when we remembered, our scripts became the most used scripts in Asia.
Thank you. I have used numerous sources that I will organise them and I add them in the description part. I haven't make a place about donate yet. Maybe in the future, when I will have made more integral job
USING of Latin Alphabet Turkey - Azerbaijan - Turkmenistan - Uzbekistan + (Kazakhstan) - Indonesia - Malaysia - Vietnam - The Philippines PARTIALLY = India + Pakistan + Bangladesh + Singapore + Hong Kong
Pakistan use arabic Script , Bangladesh use Bengali script and india have 22 official languages and 13 different scripts. Dev nagri scrip is most used in india.
@@BloodyAristocrat. English is official and Urdu is national language of Pakistan. But native languages of Pakistan are punjabi , Sindhi , Baluchi , pakhtun.
its an old chinese-descended script used by the Zhuang peoples and neighbors in southwestern china, who are ethnically related to the Thai, Lao, and other Tai-Kadai languages. They're near the border with Vietnam.
Yunnan and Guangxi are absolutely crazy. But Wikipedia says that...> In 1957 Standard Zhuang using a mixed Latin-Cyrillic script was introduced, and in 1982 this was changed to Latin script; these are referred to as the old Zhuang and new Zhuang, respectively. Bouyei is written in Latin script. - Adûnâi
I'm pretty sure that with more discoveries of Tamil-Brahmi in Sri Lanka and Tamil Nadu Inscriptions, the origin of Brahmi is further down south I think. Great video though, learned a lot!
I like how you represented maritime Southeast Asia in the latter parts, Malaysia and Indonesia purple with hints of green, while the Philippines purple with hints of brown. Latin script may have taken over for everyday and official use because of colonial influence, but their older historical scripts weren't exactly wiped out and still have cultural importance. I'm actually glad that more Filipinos are starting to learn about our ancient scripts ☺️
actually abugidas in indonesia didn't die until japanese occupation. you can still go to antique shops and buy magazines and novels written in javanese script from 1930s. so it's not 'ancient' with the case of Indonesia. such a cringe word.
@@azhariusman9428 sorry, I was not aware that that's the case for Indonesia. I only assumed based on how it was represented on the video. Thanks for the info! Are most Javanese literate when it comes to the Javanese script? Or Indonesians in general with their native scripts? For Philippines, native scripts are obscure except for very few indigenous groups that still use them such as the Mangyan in Mindoro. There's only been a slow recent resurgence of public knowledge of Baybayin and other scripts. I also didn't remember these being taught when I was in grade school.
@@natt07048 Most of Sumatra have only used jawi extensively; because it's based on arabic script, most Muslims can read them easily. For Javanese script, they teach it in schools in Java. All street signs, govt buildings, etc. are written in both latin and javanese script. But few can actually read them. Same thing with balinese scripts. What I previously wanted to mention is these scripts aren't ancient, they only died less than 100 years ago.
Siberia is just wasteland and rest of Middle East is shown with Europe and Africa. And the Pacific Islands and Papua are also not that interesting in writing history
@@king_halcyon well when you have half the developments on the map taking place of screen and only see what's in the very corner of what you're trying to show it's a bit obnoxious. Plus the middle east is part of Asia geographically. Either way just my 2-cents
Europe is not as diverse as say Asia, infact the no of scripts used in India, both historical and modern outnumber the whole western hemisphere and Middle East combined.
What kind of varian? Most of them used either latin or cyrillic🤷🏻♂️ Only Greece which is different from the rest of european countries. ꦮꦺꦴꦁꦱꦶꦁꦮꦶꦠ꧀ꦧꦼꦔꦺꦤ꧀ꦒꦃꦤꦼꦒꦫ꧞ꦤꦼꦒꦫꦤꦶꦁꦌꦫꦺꦴꦥꦩꦃꦔꦤ꧀ꦔꦔ꧀ꦒꦺꦴꦄꦏ꧀ꦱꦫꦭꦠꦶꦤ꧀ꦧꦫꦶꦱꦶꦫꦶꦭꦶꦏ꧀ ꦠꦼꦫꦸꦱ꧀ꦱꦼꦥꦼꦔꦼꦠꦲꦸꦮꦤ꧀ꦏꦸꦭꦩꦃꦔꦤ꧀ꦕꦸꦩꦤ꧀ꦤꦼꦒꦫꦪꦸꦤꦤꦶꦱꦶꦁꦒꦸꦤꦏ꧀ꦤꦄꦏ꧀ꦱꦫꦱꦶꦁꦧꦺꦢꦏꦫꦺꦴꦭꦶꦪꦤꦺ🤷🏻♂️
Native Formosan languages that they were spoken exclusively until the early 17th century didn't use any script. Later the chinese migration started and the coming of the Dutch
i think the brahmic scripts like Baybayin in the Philippines, didn't reach the native austronesian formosan groups in taiwan, so later, it's mostly the dutch, spanish, chinese, and japanese who later introduced the many writing systems
@@wijaya4565 also i read there are inscriptions in malaysia from kedah bujang valley in a script which is related to pallavi. It doesnt have a standard name, but some call it post-pallava script. But it does show malaysia use brahmic scripts before jawi.
Even if King Sejong did not create hangul, I guess the Koreans would have adopted some easier scripts like Latin by now because the Chinese characters don't fit the Korean language anyway.
@@agalitev yeah. It came in 500 BCE after Indus Valley civilization collapse. There are sign mark and proto script b/w 1500-500 BCE but none of them make proper sense and are un-identifiable
a somewhat strange map in India, if the Brahmi script only developed in the 4th century BC, what script was applied to write the ancient Sanskrit of the Rig Vedas? , I was almost sure that Vetic India already had its alphabet from this 9th century BC
This video is a bit inaccurate in the way it associates the rise of the Brahmi script with the reign of Emperor Ashoka in the 3rd century BC. Brahmi probably originated a few centuries earlier but to answer your question about ancient scriptures like the Vedas, they were not originally written down; they were transmitted orally in the form of rhythmic mantras and shlokas that can be remembered well easily until writing re emerged in India.
The vast amount of indian literature were passed orally but it's known that a written form of Vedas existed during the conquest of alaxander in the subcontinent..
Εlamites and then Persians were great civilisations, lost to islam and steppe people invasions. Also I want to mention that in mongolian principalities thibetian writing was in use, alomg with arabic and traditional mongolian, as only the elite of such empires were muslim, whereas the vast majority of people were tengrists or buddhists.
You know what elamites are non other than tamil people. During the time of flood in IVC they too came down into india. Some people can't notice this. It's like elamites disappeared from iranian pleateau and appeared as tamil in indian continent. And original language of indian tribes were sanskritised and tamilised . Like in case of malayalam it is 40-40 percent between tamil and sanskrit and tamil and rest 20 % is their own.
@@GrigRP Kazakh language is Turkic. There are 8 vowel sounds in Turkic languages. There are 3 in Arabic. This causes many problems. It is one of the reasons for the low literacy rate in the Ottoman Empire. Turkey finished spelling problems with the Latin alphabet. It will soon switch to the Latin alphabet in Kazakhstan. Arabic alphabet is bad.
Chinese characters are the only writing system which is always developped and still used until present day while the other ancient writing systems are already extinct.
@@stefan5234 Greek and Latin are used since around 800 and 700 BC respectively while Chinese is used since around 1200 BC so I didn’t count Greek and Latin because they are much newer. I meant the earliest writing system like Cuneiform, Egyptian hieroglyphs, etc.
Fun fact: every writing system on the map at the end of this video except for the Chinese family and Hangul ultimately derive from Egyptian hieroglyphs.
According to a most popular current theory, through Proto-Sinaitic and Phoenician. There also another theory that connects phoenician with Cypriot syllabary that derived from the Cretan Linear A.
I like the video but the story that the Brahmi Script came during the reign of Mauryan Emperor Ashoka is fake. Brahmi script must have originated several centuries earlier.
@@rtam7097 sorry but I dont need any tamil superiority stuff. Other South Indians, including we Kannadigas, are tired of Tamilians thinking that their language is superior.
the fact that cuneiform still existed 2000 years ago and not just like in bronze age, makes me feel things
Just don't get very excited. You might have an accident.
The last Egyptian hieroglyphs were even more recent, in 394AD!
Cuneiform looks almost alien.
So there was a brief historical period around 50BC when people writing in Greek and Chinese met? Kinda awesome.
They even had a Greek-Chinese War!
It is known from the chinese sources, the war of the heavenly horses between Han and Dayuan (Greeks)
@@CostasMelas wait, does dayuan mean foreigners?
@@covertfeelings8330 Dayuan in English is Greeks. That's what the Chinese people called them back then
Yes, Kings and Generals has a video on it
Central Asia seems to have experienced a bit of everything, truly fascinating !
That’s because it is in the center of Asia.
@@juandiegovalverde1982 yeah
more like the center of eurasia though @@juandiegovalverde1982
Great video as always! The ways of writing in Europe are widely known but this diversity in Asia is just awesome to see like this on a map!
Thank you
@@CostasMelas
Why didn’t you show Greece using the Phoenician writing system?
@@CostasMelas
Bhrami scripts are derived from Indus scripts
You have done a mistake recent archeology findings in tamilnadu keladi has proved Bhrami is from South India dates back to 600 bC. From potteries
@Sathiskumar
Yes and No. Cuneiform (the grandfather of all writing scripts) had symbols for each word. So it had a huge vocabulary. But Aramaic was made from it and it was easy as it had each symbol for a letter. It spread through Alexander's Empire and Greek(another grandson of Cuneiform) emerged and also became widespread. Aramaic was spread to the Indus Valley,where it was converted into Brahmi. And Greek took over Aramaic(though it still existed for a time).But earlier Cuneiform was transformed by Elamites to Linear Elamite script. Then with trade across land,Elamites shared it with their linguistic brothers Harappans who made it into Indus script. Indus script was also used among the Dr and IAs for a time and influenced Aramaic also which came in the same place,thus Brahmi was created. An amalgam of mostly Aramaic and also a great deal of Indus script.
@ꅏꑀꁲꈜꑀ꒒ Depending on what you mean by "from scratch", the inclusion of Hangul in your list is confusing. If you mean "without knowing about writing at all", then Hangul doesn't belong. If you mean "writing system invented by people who might or might not know how to write, but are not basing the new system on a previous one", then other writing systems such as Inuktitut should be mentioned along with Hangul, and the list becomes a bit too long to manage.
People learning European languages: *slightly different words*
People learning Asian languages: *completely different alphabets* (yes, writing systems)
They're more like writing systems than alphabets
The Chinese characters (hanzi, kanji) are not an alphabet. Each one of them represents an idea, not a sound. The kanas of the Japanese (hiragana, katakana) are syllabaries. Each one of them represents a syllable.
@Nephalim Power how do you know?
@Nephalim Power wtf
@UCKGX8NG0RIJE6Li5RW9015w It was the Romans you idiot
It's crazy to see that the Ancient Greek alphabet and Chinese characters once overlapped
Seeing Greek and Chinese overlap is so weird yet fascinating!!
this must have been hell to make it's so hard to keep track of. honestly massive respect for being able to do this. this must have been one of your most difficult projects. congratulations
Thank you. Indeed, it was one of the most difficult I have made
@@CostasMelas The Background Music was so moving especially when almost most of Asia was becoming Dark Green and India was still Orange 👍. Proud of the great sacrifices of our Ancestors to help us retain our cultural and linguistic identity.
There is also the Tangut, Jurchen and Khitan scripts which were developed based on Chinese characters
not to be petty, but i wish you would use a map a bit bigger so we could fully see caucasian mountains and arabian peninsula
This is a nice trade-off. Don't forget that it's quite hard to find a decent map to begin with. And if there is a larger map, it will include Central Asia and Siberia, the useless lands with no civilisation. Asia is China+India+Iran+Indochina.
- Adûnâi
@Armo Moose who on earth thinks Arabian peninsula is not Asia??
Siberia isn't showed completely either
@@sunolili862 Geographically sure, but politically and culturally, it is more closely tied to Europe and Africa
@Nephalim Power How can you not see that? It is pretty clear that the Middle East has much closer ties to North Africa, and to a lesser extent to Europe and the rest of Africa, than it does with the rest of Asia.
Sanskrit inscription have been found in southern Vietnam (then the Funan Empire) dating from the 1st century CE.
True I'm Cambodian I learned it in school. But maybe it's not as widespread. It's only used by monks, religious pilgrims and merchants at the port cities of the Mekong delta. And later by the royalties. But the people didn't know how to write the khmer language out in scripts yet.
@@piesause1376 im from malaysia, this map not totally accurate because southern thai from nakhon si thamarat or in malay we called ligor writien in kawi script used all in malay archipelago, then we switch to jawi or modified arabic with additional own script for our sound, patani region, santun, trang, krabi, phuket writen in jawi spoke malay while in chumpon are mon-khmer before all these people become thai. this not show all southeast asia script like old malay script like rencong, sumatra script like batak, gayo, rejang, kerinci, minangkabau, lampung, sulawesi, jawa, maluku, borneo script like iban script, luntarsug script in east coast of sabah, philippine pre-spainsh scipt like baybayin, tagbanwa, huanoo, buhid, luntarsug in sulu archipelago near sabah and others, except papua island dont have script. today javaese, balinese, sundaese, bugis sulawesi, lampung sumatran, batak sumtran, malay of bengkulu, south sumatran and jambi still used own script but not as offical as regional and heritage script.
Sanskrit was a parasite.. dont have scripit of its own.. Now using nagari script
@@எல்லாளன்ஈழவேந்தன் Still influenced more area than Tamil
@@எல்லாளன்ஈழவேந்தன் lol,we do not need a tamil chauvinist here and there 😂😂
Northern and southern bhrahmi have a lot of variations, e.g. tamil,Punjabi,Leia,telugu etc which are unintelligible like say Greek and Latin and cyrillic
They are like independent of each other
Whereas the Chinese characters in China, Korea, and Japan had been totally intelligible to each other up to WW2. I don't know why this video separates them from the outset.
Telugu and Kannada are similar, however, right? And Devanagari is almost the same as Gujarati? Even the Siddham-derived Bengali is somewhat similar to Devanagari. And then you have the Odia, Sinhalese, Tamil and Malayalam scripts... Which are also connected to the likes of Thai/Lao/Khmer and Burmese.
I've been drawing a map myself, could you split them in rough groups if you are familiar with them?
- Adûnâi
@@angamaitesangahyando685 People often forget about how influential the Odias were. People often think that it was only the Tamilians that influenced South East Asia but Odias and Bengalis had a huge influence too. The Odia script looks more similar to the Burmese script to me than any South Indian script.
@@dwarasamudra8889 Odias influenced Balinese culture as well. That's why, Malaysians and Indonesians still call indians today as Keling ( the older name of Odisha, Kalinga) and we Odias still celebrate Bali jatra.
Aah the lost indus valley script
You'd figure Sumeria/Old Babylon surely knew of the Indus valley script, but it's a mystery to us even now. Strange.
@@d.dementedengineerc99isurf26 We need a Rosette stone equivalent really
@ꨓꨕ་ꨚꨝ་ꨆꨈ ꪒꪲꪐꪬ Rosette to Latins and Westerners
There have been examples of it found as far as Bahrain so there is hope that we will find a Resetta stone type inscription some day.
@yitzhak shekkelsteingoldmanberg eh?
There is Hyangchal and Gugyeol, similar to Kana, modified Chinese characters. It was used in most of Korea before the creation of Hangul
Mr Costas Melas, once again i lift my hat respectfully. Your animations require a tremendous amount of work and research, whereas other youtubers are making a thoughtless bullsh.t and they have hundreds of thousands of subscribers. Your work is educational and valuable. I salute you.
Thank you very much. Your comment is support to continue
@@CostasMelas Odia, Bengali is brahmi scripts not Dev nageri
the egypts, and then the middle east, had really created legacy in spreading the writing systems on majority of the world. on the other hand, the chinese also creates their own legacy by creating their unique writing systems themselves and spread it throughout east asia.
truly an interesting video and channel. thank you for making this!
Thank you
Да, Ближний Восток - это кухня, где новые виды письменности пеклись как пирожки, одна за другой!
🍞🍔🍕🍮🍰🍩🎂
Korea did not continue to use Chinese characters from China, but used improved characters such as Idu, Hyangchal, and Gugyeol that were more optimized for Korean language.
Absolutely Right ! You may say that again👍
4:28, old Zhuang characters were not called "Sandwip" but "Sawndip", where "Saw" means "characters" and "Ndip" means "crude" (cognate with Proto-Austronesian *Qudip "Raw, Crude"), so the literally meaning would be "crude characters".
i was going to write this, but you wrote it :D
Always that one guy that just has to show how smart he is right? Keep it up man, everyone loves a know it all. 🧐🤮 how bout u just appreciate the incredible amount of effort and research he did 😁
@@figmundsreud8000 I certainly appreciate his effort, but as a responsible viewer I also need to point out his error.
ᮃᮊ᮪ᮞᮛ ᮞᮥᮔ᮪ᮓ ᮊᮤᮝᮛᮤ
Modern Sundanese Script, the derivative from Old Sundanese and Pallawa (Brahmic) Script that used in Priangan/Pasundan Area, Indonesia
My country still use Jawi script. But, we didn't use it widely anymore only for religious events related to Islam. We learn it in "sekolah rakyat" (an Islamic school) from age 7-12.
*Jawi is a type of Arabic script to write the Malay language.
Jumpa orang Melayu
Kazakhstan is switching to the latin alphabet, and Mongolia is also starting to bring back it's traditional writing system to a certain level.
I love your content! It's always so interesting, I immediately click
Thank you
So since the Brahmic langauges extended as far as the Philippine Islands (There it was called Baybayin which you didnt differentiate from the other Kawi scripts). That would mean that the Phoenician script, is the ancestor of almost all scripts. From Latin To Greek To Brahmic.
Yes, except from the Chinese group and Hangul
We also used Kawi in the Philippines before Baybayin developed.
@@CostasMelas - Mayans had their own writing system and also the Rongorongo in Easter Island.
Can you make history of Sino-Tibetan languages?
Cool video! We are waiting for next about another tipes of writing sistems in Africa or in North and South Americas .
Thank you
Could you please do languages of Mexico + Central America? I would really like to see the history of language shift visualized
I would love to make them in the future
6:28 So unsatisfying for manchuria not to fill up that whole area.
I always wondering how was the transition of Persian language from using Pahlavi script to Perso-Arabic script, it is very interesting to me.
Sorry for my poor English 🙏🙏
It happened after the decline of Zoroastrianism from Persia, Zoroasters' most works were written down in Pahlavi, but after the Arabic invasion by Rashiddun and Umayyid Caliphs resp. Zoroastrians were highly executed, much of whom fled and took refugee in what is modern day Western coast of India, where their art and cultured later flourished however Pahlavi script couldn't make it. And back there in Persia, a new script called Parso-Arabic emerged which is in continuation till now. Interestingly this Parso-Arabic script also gave birth to Nastaliq script, which is used to write some Indian languages like Urdu (in Ind/Pak), Punjabi (Pak), Kashmiri (Ind/Pak).
Why you use Arabic scripts use brahmi script
Indus script 3500bce > brahmi script
Brahmi ftom Phoenician @@nothingexists5066
The Philippines is trying to revive its Southern Brahmic Scripts namely Baybayin, Badlit, Kulitan, Hanunuo, Kurdita, Basahan, Buhid, Tagbanwa Scripts.
I wonder why Mongolia never adopted some variety of Chinese characters. Going off of geography alone it seems way more likely than them adopting a script that comes from Arabic.
before Mongol empire, there are several languages group that is adopted by Northern nomaids yet not shown on this map, which I do not know why. The kithan Liao the Jurchen Jin. Mongol is a minority in Liao empire.
Chinese characters seem to have been used during the Yuan Dynasty.
The traditional Mongolian script is from Syriac not from Arabic.
They did. It was the Liao Dynasty cousins of the Mongol people.
religion.
Wow, it seems much more diverse and mixed than in video about Europe
Diversity in Europe is gradually declining but in Asia it is maintained
@yitzhak shekkelsteingoldmanberg - (Diversity is declining because of race mixing?)... that's a paradoxical statement.
i wonder what causes the decline of indus script. usually its because other scripts overrun it but here it just died off.
But as I recall these major writing systems are just groups, right? Cuz as I research before like Brahmic, as it approaches other native groups its structure rapidly changes to the point theyre mutually unintelligible to each other. Such as Indochina, malayan archipelago, and Indian subcontinent, even parts of China and central Asia.
Like as well, Kulitan of Philippines, a Brahmic derived scripts that has been sinicized due to Hokkein (Chinese) immigrants.
Nice video tho.
Thank you. Beautiful nickname with letters from different alphabets, Latin, Cyrillic, Greek :)
I think Kulitan adopting the vertical style of writing like Chinese might be a recent phenomenon, like a few decades and only a small minority practiced it. I am partially from the Kapampangan ethnic group and I only learned about the existence of the Kulitan a few years ago through RUclips videos. I asked an uncle about it and he was so surprised that it exists. Though I admit, I grew up in Canada and barely know much about Kapampangan culture but I've been researching ancient Filipino scripts for over 15 years and Kulitan only popped up in the internet a few years ago. I was thinking that it wasn't much different from the Tagalog Baybayin and it's just the Kapampangan variant of Baybayin.
@@JcDizon actually among Philippine writing system, kulitan is entirely different from the rest. Some considered other writing systems as just different penmanship and few changes to suit the langauge, but Kulitan, itself works differently from others to make it exclusively different.
Asia has gotta have the most diverse native and historic writing systems in the world, this should be enlightening
Bigger area more writing systems
@@thanasisvoutsas461 false. Africa is huge but only certain few writing system emerged, even icluding arabic, it is fewer than asia.
Same on combined north and south america, what is their ancient writing system? I can’t recall one
@@mechanikalbull5626 I think we only the Mayan and Aztec scripts.
Yes but most of this diversity is being lost with the adoption of Latin script
@@shivpatel733 Wait, which Asians adopted Latin script.
Fantastic video 👍💯.....So many cultural diversity in our continent
Salam from Bangladesh 🇧🇩🇧🇩🇧🇩🇧🇩
ভালোবাসা অবিরাম ❤️👍
Thank you :)
Thanks for giving the video I wanted! Great as always!
Thank you
How about following Video Ideas:
-Spread of Metal Use (Copper, Bronze, Iron ect.) in Europe
-Spread of Currency (Salt, Amber, Silver, Monery ect.) in Europe
Thank you for the suggestions
I waiting for this for a long time...
i love this channel so much. i just. you should know how badass this channel is
Kinda surprised about India. I thought that they were already literate with the Brahmic scripts when their Vedic civilization started appearing.
Well,the Vedic civilization is (Harappan +Indo Aryan). So the Harappans already lost their script. And that the Vedas were preserved orally. Then Brahmi came from Aramaic and people wrote it down.
@@king_halcyon about brahmi, it's still under question weather its influenced by aramic or its an independent Indian script like indus valley script.!!..
@बोधिधर्म No it's not. It's Aramaic derived.
@@deepblue3682 It's only under question to pajjeets like you.
@@GrigRP where r u from bro?
Mongolia is now in the process of changing its script back to Mongol.
This merely gives us which systems are where at what time. It doesn't give use that clear picture on how various writing-systems evolved from their ancestors. It would be good to do it the same way this channel has done with various language-trees. For example, I heard that most modern alphabets used today in Eurasian continent originate either from Egyptian Heiroglyphs or Chinese characters.
Egyptian -> proto-Sinaitic -> Phoenician -> Greek -> Etruscan -> Roman -> Modern etc.
there were actually Khitan script (large version and small version), Tangut script, Jurchen script varied from Chinese characters, but all disappeared later
Well, Northern Brahmic and Southern Brahmic scripts are much more diverse, though you mentioned the ones outside India like Tibetan, Khmer, Thai but we also have Gurumukhi, Kannada, Tamil, Sinhala, Malayalam, Telugu, Oriya, Gujarati, Dogri etc Independent Brahmic Scripts in India. It's not just Devanagari, which is used only to write Sanskrit, Hindi, Kashmiri, Nepali and Marathi.
Plus many others that are no longer widely in use, such as Modi (for Marathi), Goykanadi (in Goa), Sharada (for Kashmiri), Multani, Khudabadi (for Sindhi), Mahajani (for Marwari)
@@connormurphy683 I actually use Sharda, even today for writing Sanskrit mantras. So technically it's not dead yet😅😅
@@nikunjarya9641 That's great that you're keeping it alive
And Siddhaṃ is still alive in Japanese temples
@@sumi2973 is ur name in cham abugida?
great video! but why is west asia (aka middle east) not included? is west asia, not asia??? i always hate it when maps show "asia" but it is only eastern asia
I have made a separate video about the Middle East
ᜀᜃᜓ ᜀᜌ᜔ ᜉᜒᜎᜒᜉᜒᜈᜓ
Baybayin- Southern Brahmic Branch, Philippines
すみません、日本語が話せません。😔
@@hypnoskales7069 cringe gtph0
phiignoys are crying because you have no ancient history and unique writing system
phiignoys are crying because you have no ancient history and unique writing system
Great video. I love how you simplify such complex things.
A suggestion: no mention of Kharoshthi script, that was widely used in antiquity in Bactria and Indus before Brahmi scripts.
Thank you. It is considered a type of Brahmi script
@@CostasMelas No it's not
Half the map is missing.
Cuneiform gave rise to the South Arabian and Ethiopian scripts, hence the Abjads that spread east, even unto the Philippines
No, the phoenecian abjad based on the canaanite script was the basis for all of the abjads in the semitic languages, hebrew aramaic script-> arabic script
Amazing video. I’m glad I came across it. I have a question: when did the Greek script stop being used completely in the area east of modern Iran? On your map it’s still there by 200 AD. What is the latest use of it that you found in your research. I thought that it died out by the time of Kanishka the Great when he declared that the Greek alphabet would not be used anymore in 136 AD.
Thank you. After Kanishka there were a rapid decline in Bactria, but a minor usage was kept for a while. Moreover some around peoples such as Indo-Scythians kept the usage of the Greek for a small period later
Where are all those maritime southeast asia script?? , rencong, rejang, baybayin, javanese etc
There are so many, so they are grouped as Southern Brahmic.
@@CostasMelas i know. But i guess you cannot fit them well into a single video
@@nursyafizah5981 they got erased by latin script now so it doesnt matter.
@@rebeccablackvirus975 - A lot of them are still being used alongside the Latin script.
Thanks for the cool video! I have a question. Chinese characters in China, Korea, and Japan had been totally intelligible to each other up to WW2. I don't know why this video separates them from the outset.
Thank you. They are famous distincts members of the group, which however are grouped below their family (chinese)
@Anastasia Cebulska But the widespread use of Hangul and Katakana hiragana in Japanese is relatively recent, and if you can find some East Asian newspapers from the beginning of the last century, you will find a high proportion of kanji in them.
@@jutea9858 up until the 1980s Hanja is seen in newspapers. Nowadays it is still used but only in news broadcasts and legal stuff, if I remember correctly.
Not true. In Japan Kanji is annotated with Kana. In Korea Hangul was invented way before WWII. In Vietnam they created unique characters. The Chinese characters are the same yes but the systems of writing, which the Chinese characters are a part of, are not.
汉字不是发音文字，在古代朝鲜和越南的两个读书人，可以直接用写字沟通。
就像123456789可以在全世界表达意思一样。但汉字是非常难以学习的，现在每个学生的学习十年才能掌握。
因为无法通过发音提示你字符的样子。
There are still two scripts used in southern China: Nuosu and Dongba(Naxi) script used by ethnic minorities which are not included
RIP:Old Turkic,Old Uyghur
That was soghdi
Variations of persian alphabet like pahlavi
Mirhirkula ?
@@aminr4736 nope
To be fair, the Hungarians are using the Turkic runes now (barely above the LARPer level, bu still).
- Adûnâi
@@aminr4736 Old Turkic alphabet and sogd alphabet are very different from each other. It's definitely not soghdi or pahlavi
Look at how Cyrillic just slowly encroaches from The north on Arabic and then rapidly switches under Stalin
@Deniz Julian Metinoğlu T. I heard Kazakhstan would come back to this kind of latin script.
Kazakhstan is switching to Latin because they are mighty TURKS, and the Mongolians are going back to their native top-to-bottom writing, both starting in 2020.
- Adûnâi
@Deniz Julian Metinoğlu T. alot of Russian influence
>Iran
>Arabic script
Angry Persian noises
Btw, the Tamils were OP
Both Pahlavi and Persian Arabic script come from Phoenician alphabet
. Why it’s such a big deal, I can't understand.
Arapic destroyed perisan Iraq apase andThe Abbasid Empire of Iraq and the Umayyad Empire of Saudi Arabia😂😂😂
I think, there were some claims, that Tamil-Brahmi script was a bit older?
Thats done by Tamilian politicians; they like to claim everything as Tamil. They even like to claim that all other South Indian lanaguges are derived from Tamil which is not true at all.
There's no such thing as a Tamil script. It is just Aramaic derived like all the others.
@@GrigRP Ignorant. Some sites about Brahmi scripts are discovered as early as 6th century BCE. While earliest influence of Aramaic in India is 4th century BCE and in only in western Indus valley. It proves it was not from Aramaic.
@@dwarasamudra8889 ok cool mr." indo Aryans " 😁😂...
There is one writing system in northern Thailand called Lanna script.
I think one correction would be that not all of the north of the indian subcontinent in 600CE-700CE was using devanagari script right then.
Why did the Indus Script die out?
Edit: I didn't mean to start a history debate in the replies
Because of the fall of Indus Valley civilizations in 1500 BC
because of tall blonde blue eyed german-speaking Aryans from the North
@@khorps4756 you mean Indo-Aryans ?
@league legends *** they were big beautiful Hyperboreans with volkswagens
@@xyrocknirmou8699 its like the Greeks. We Indians forgot how to write for a while and then when we remembered, our scripts became the most used scripts in Asia.
Φανταστική δουλειά για μια ακόμα φορά! Ποιες πηγές είχες;
Ευχαριστώ πολύ. Έχω χρησιμοποιήσει ένα μεγάλο πλήθος πηγών, που θα πρέπει να το οργανώσω και να το ανεβάσω κάποια στιγμή.
@@CostasMelas Παρακαλώ. Σε ένα edit στις περιγραφές των βίντεο, ίσως να βοηθούσε.
Syriac arrives in Kerala, India, in 52 AD :D
There have been a number of scripts that you have missed/missed their mapping that were in the Arabian peninsula
What sources do you use to make these videos? They’re very good, is there a place we can donate?
Thank you. I have used numerous sources that I will organise them and I add them in the description part. I haven't make a place about donate yet. Maybe in the future, when I will have made more integral job
USING of Latin Alphabet
Turkey - Azerbaijan - Turkmenistan - Uzbekistan + (Kazakhstan) - Indonesia - Malaysia - Vietnam - The Philippines PARTIALLY = India + Pakistan + Bangladesh + Singapore + Hong Kong
Pakistan use arabic Script , Bangladesh use Bengali script and india have 22 official languages and 13 different scripts. Dev nagri scrip is most used in india.
@@दीपकनागर-ज6द native languages of Pakistan are ENGILISH and URDU
@@BloodyAristocrat. English is official and Urdu is national language of Pakistan. But native languages of Pakistan are punjabi , Sindhi , Baluchi , pakhtun.
@@BloodyAristocrat. urdu is native language of india not pakistan. They Just adopted it otherwise mother tongue of majority of pakistani is not urdu
Bengali is the only official language of Bangladesh
What's that Sandwip script under Variations of Chinese Characters? I've not been able to find anything about it
its an old chinese-descended script used by the Zhuang peoples and neighbors in southwestern china, who are ethnically related to the Thai, Lao, and other Tai-Kadai languages. They're near the border with Vietnam.
Yunnan and Guangxi are absolutely crazy. But Wikipedia says that...> In 1957 Standard Zhuang using a mixed Latin-Cyrillic script was introduced, and in 1982 this was changed to Latin script; these are referred to as the old Zhuang and new Zhuang, respectively. Bouyei is written in Latin script.
- Adûnâi
I've searched for "Sandwip" and only got an island's name. But there is a writing system calls "Sawndip". Not sure if it spells right or wrong...
It’s called “Sawndip” not “Sandwip” or 「方塊壯字」in Chinese（literary translate: Square shaped Zhuang character)
Good one! It was very interesting
Thank you
European writing systems look more similar than these in Asia. :)
I'm pretty sure that with more discoveries of Tamil-Brahmi in Sri Lanka and Tamil Nadu Inscriptions, the origin of Brahmi is further down south I think. Great video though, learned a lot!
Thank you
I like how you represented maritime Southeast Asia in the latter parts, Malaysia and Indonesia purple with hints of green, while the Philippines purple with hints of brown. Latin script may have taken over for everyday and official use because of colonial influence, but their older historical scripts weren't exactly wiped out and still have cultural importance. I'm actually glad that more Filipinos are starting to learn about our ancient scripts ☺️
They still use the Jawi script in BARMM, especially during elections.
@@ianhomerpura8937 oooo that's nice. Can the majority read them?
actually abugidas in indonesia didn't die until japanese occupation. you can still go to antique shops and buy magazines and novels written in javanese script from 1930s. so it's not 'ancient' with the case of Indonesia. such a cringe word.
@@azhariusman9428 sorry, I was not aware that that's the case for Indonesia. I only assumed based on how it was represented on the video. Thanks for the info! Are most Javanese literate when it comes to the Javanese script? Or Indonesians in general with their native scripts? For Philippines, native scripts are obscure except for very few indigenous groups that still use them such as the Mangyan in Mindoro. There's only been a slow recent resurgence of public knowledge of Baybayin and other scripts. I also didn't remember these being taught when I was in grade school.
@@natt07048 Most of Sumatra have only used jawi extensively; because it's based on arabic script, most Muslims can read them easily. For Javanese script, they teach it in schools in Java. All street signs, govt buildings, etc. are written in both latin and javanese script. But few can actually read them. Same thing with balinese scripts. What I previously wanted to mention is these scripts aren't ancient, they only died less than 100 years ago.
Wow who would’ve thought the first crossover with Chinese was a European dialect! (Greek) 3:14
Should have showed all of Asia but very interesting video. Now I need to research why the indus system died out
Siberia is just wasteland and rest of Middle East is shown with Europe and Africa. And the Pacific Islands and Papua are also not that interesting in writing history
@@king_halcyon well when you have half the developments on the map taking place of screen and only see what's in the very corner of what you're trying to show it's a bit obnoxious. Plus the middle east is part of Asia geographically. Either way just my 2-cents
Your video about europe should have been made the same way showing the variants not just saying latin or kirilik.
Europe is not as diverse as say Asia, infact the no of scripts used in India, both historical and modern outnumber the whole western hemisphere and Middle East combined.
@@infinite5795 Šor bat dēr ār mōr vēiz ov raiting den džas "latin", dis iz en ingliš sentens riten de vēi māī pīpl rait.
What kind of varian? Most of them used either latin or cyrillic🤷🏻♂️ Only Greece which is different from the rest of european countries.
ꦮꦺꦴꦁꦱꦶꦁꦮꦶꦠ꧀ꦧꦼꦔꦺꦤ꧀ꦒꦃꦤꦼꦒꦫ꧞ꦤꦼꦒꦫꦤꦶꦁꦌꦫꦺꦴꦥꦩꦃꦔꦤ꧀ꦔꦔ꧀ꦒꦺꦴꦄꦏ꧀ꦱꦫꦭꦠꦶꦤ꧀ꦧꦫꦶꦱꦶꦫꦶꦭꦶꦏ꧀ ꦠꦼꦫꦸꦱ꧀ꦱꦼꦥꦼꦔꦼꦠꦲꦸꦮꦤ꧀ꦏꦸꦭꦩꦃꦔꦤ꧀ꦕꦸꦩꦤ꧀ꦤꦼꦒꦫꦪꦸꦤꦤꦶꦱꦶꦁꦒꦸꦤꦏ꧀ꦤꦄꦏ꧀ꦱꦫꦱꦶꦁꦧꦺꦢꦏꦫꦺꦴꦭꦶꦪꦤꦺ🤷🏻♂️
@@091lsm._ Āi literalī džast demonstreited dāt...
Dēr ār mōr den 40 raiting sistemz in Jūorap.
Ānd verī fjū nou hāu to rait klāsikal lātin dīz dēiz.
Incredible, but you forgot Tai Tham, and Cham script.
Hey there costas can you explain why Taiwan didn't have any writing system till that late seems weird
Native Formosan languages that they were spoken exclusively until the early 17th century didn't use any script. Later the chinese migration started and the coming of the Dutch
Costas Melas wow ok thx
i think the brahmic scripts like Baybayin in the Philippines, didn't reach the native austronesian formosan groups in taiwan, so later, it's mostly the dutch, spanish, chinese, and japanese who later introduced the many writing systems
you couldn't find a worse sound backing right?
Malaysia doesnt have native script that related with brahmic script... They only use jawi (based on arabic)
Wrong. Look up kedukan bukit inscription. I know its in sumatra, but thats how malay was written before jawi script
@@wijaya4565 also i read there are inscriptions in malaysia from kedah bujang valley in a script which is related to pallavi. It doesnt have a standard name, but some call it post-pallava script. But it does show malaysia use brahmic scripts before jawi.
Not the entire map fits the screen. Shame.
한글을 쓸수있어 다행이다.. 아니면 한자를 다 외우고 다녔겠지 ㅠㅠ
Even if King Sejong did not create hangul, I guess the Koreans would have adopted some easier scripts like Latin by now because the Chinese characters don't fit the Korean language anyway.
@@penfield72 it would feel weird and wrong to see korean written in latin alphabet
@@mechanikalbull5626 Why is it not weird to see Malay and Vietnamese written in Latin alphabet? (well maybe you consider those weird too)
@@mechanikalbull5626 Lol! Annyeong haseyo! See? What's weird about that?
@@penfield72 哈哈哈哈 the Korea language what you are using, is for pronounce Chinese Character in ancient. not fit ,so ridiculous
God damn, ancient Greeks really did reach everywhere
Rig veda was written in 1500bce
In 1500bce there is vedic script existed
no archeological examples, no marks in stone DESPITE stone being the first method of protowriting.
@@agalitev rig Veda was oral tradition also
@@reddragon100 no writing.
@@agalitev yeah.
It came in 500 BCE after Indus Valley civilization collapse.
There are sign mark and proto script b/w 1500-500 BCE but none of them make proper sense and are un-identifiable
@@reddragon100 i meant that oral tradition isn't writing, this refers to writing. language is timeless, in some form or another, writing isn't
In centerall asia and West middle east you don't add avastanic sanskrit and vedic alphabet
It was there briefly during 320 AD ish, but then vanished, it was shown in the video.
Wish there was a more detailed version of the India part of the map. At least, at end of centuries.
Very good, I love this tipe of map, I would like the time map about writing sistems in America 😄, I hope it
Thank you
Great work 👍👍👍
Thank you
a somewhat strange map in India, if the Brahmi script only developed in the 4th century BC, what script was applied to write the ancient Sanskrit of the Rig Vedas? , I was almost sure that Vetic India already had its alphabet from this 9th century BC
This video is a bit inaccurate in the way it associates the rise of the Brahmi script with the reign of Emperor Ashoka in the 3rd century BC. Brahmi probably originated a few centuries earlier but to answer your question about ancient scriptures like the Vedas, they were not originally written down; they were transmitted orally in the form of rhythmic mantras and shlokas that can be remembered well easily until writing re emerged in India.
The vast amount of indian literature were passed orally but it's known that a written form of Vedas existed during the conquest of alaxander in the subcontinent..
they werent written, just oral tradition.
No arabic in xinjiang ?
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Εlamites and then Persians were great civilisations, lost to islam and steppe people invasions. Also I want to mention that in mongolian principalities thibetian writing was in use, alomg with arabic and traditional mongolian, as only the elite of such empires were muslim, whereas the vast majority of people were tengrists or buddhists.
We are still here, not "lost" lol. Only thing that's lost is your Hagia Sofia.
You know what elamites are non other than tamil people. During the time of flood in IVC they too came down into india. Some people can't notice this. It's like elamites disappeared from iranian pleateau and appeared as tamil in indian continent. And original language of indian tribes were sanskritised and tamilised . Like in case of malayalam it is 40-40 percent between tamil and sanskrit and tamil and rest 20 % is their own.
So... the Arabian peninsula is in Africa?.
And in future Kazakh is latin.
they should return to arabic system
@@cltcthuganomics2570
They will do !!!!
@@محمدالرصافي-ص6ر The Arabic writing system is not a good writing system for the Kazakh language
@@gaethan27 Why?
@@GrigRP Kazakh language is Turkic. There are 8 vowel sounds in Turkic languages. There are 3 in Arabic. This causes many problems. It is one of the reasons for the low literacy rate in the Ottoman Empire. Turkey finished spelling problems with the Latin alphabet. It will soon switch to the Latin alphabet in Kazakhstan. Arabic alphabet is bad.
Chinese characters are the only writing system which is always developped and still used until present day while the other ancient writing systems are already extinct.
Greek? Latin?
@@stefan5234 Greek and Latin are used since around 800 and 700 BC respectively while Chinese is used since around 1200 BC so I didn’t count Greek and Latin because they are much newer. I meant the earliest writing system like Cuneiform, Egyptian hieroglyphs, etc.
@@stefan5234 I don't know Greek, but Latin is a dead language that is for sure.
@@jutea9858 you did write this coment in latin alphabet,am i right?
@@jutea9858 We're talking about the writing systems, not about the languages.
Good job!
Thank you
also i cant quite see what script is used in indonesian besides latin. what is the second colour?
Green and brown about the places that the Arabic (Jawi) is used and the places that the various Brahmic is used
@@CostasMelas thanx!
Great video as usual. Syriac should be labeled as a sub-Aramaic script though, not a standalone one
Thank you
Good vid but could have had the rest of Asia in the map, Middle East cut in half and Russia’s just gone
Odia most beautiful alphabets in the world
Bengali 2.0
@@Hotasianchick still your language could not get a classical tag with all the hype lol.
@@Hotasianchick Even the Bengali script was taken from the kamrupi (Assamese) script.The bengais took the script😂
The levant, Arabia, and Anatolia: Are we north american to you?
Fun fact: every writing system on the map at the end of this video except for the Chinese family and Hangul ultimately derive from Egyptian hieroglyphs.
According to a most popular current theory, through Proto-Sinaitic and Phoenician. There also another theory that connects phoenician with Cypriot syllabary that derived from the Cretan Linear A.
@@CostasMelas Brahmi may have an independent origin.
What about Turkic Runes which are absent from here?
Some Hangul alphabets were derived from Mongol scripts, which the latter eventually came from hieroglyphs.
I like the video but the story that the Brahmi Script came during the reign of Mauryan Emperor Ashoka is fake. Brahmi script must have originated several centuries earlier.
D oldest one is from Tamil Nadu dated bact 5th century B.C
@@rtam7097 sorry but I dont need any tamil superiority stuff. Other South Indians, including we Kannadigas, are tired of Tamilians thinking that their language is superior.
What program do you use to animate?
paintnet and blender
tangut,khitan and jurchen alphabet were also based on chinese characters