Harley heads to the graveyard, even long time riders are out now.
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Brand destruction is irreversible in modern times. Woke CEOs are idiots.
They aren't woke they are just normal cardboard cut outs from the keynesian/supply side, money printing economics.
Yep...and a lot of it is intentional. You don't put someone on the board of a company that makes rumbly, crude V-twins, who is a Dem megadonor and is committed to ending fossil fuels, unless you plan to ultimately destroy the company.
Say it: "Get woke; Go broke!" They keep "Budlighting" themselves.
It's not just the CEO, it's also members of the BOD. The CEO's strings are pulled by the Board of Directors.
Funny how the "woke" all act exactly like all Socialists have always acted. Calling it woke doesn't change what it is. The Socialist left dreams of being Oskar Schindler, not realizing Oskar was a Socialist Nazi, just like them. The real left-wing kind instead of the imaginary right-wing kind that doesnt actually exist. George Washington was an actual far right-wing extremist and proof of this fact is the LIMITED GOVT he helped create.
Socialists: "Noooooooo."
Black rock, vanguard, state street are the death of our country..
Blackstone too?
That’s really what happened to Harley of late. The company is teetering on the edge of bankruptcy, they need cash. The companies that control the cash lend it with strings attached forcing them to adopt ESG / DEI policies. So Harley did. And in so doing trashed their iconic brand and alienated the cult followers who kept the company afloat
@@YouilAushana Yep, it is the whole of the banking system and wall street that has turned on us.
They are the new mafia
Of the entire world
The Japanese make good bikes and they don't care for the rainbow crap.
Honda recently started out selling Harley here in the states. Moto Guzzi also superb with real character.
My 1000 cc Suzuki is a V-twin. It's more comfortable and way more powerful than any Harley at a fraction of the price.
Me personally I’d rather ride a Kawasaki over any harley garbageson any day
They make superior bikes, it's not even close. And for cheaper.
Agreed
I do have a 77 Sportster.
But....
I have a GL1800 in my 43 Willys.
In 18 years it has never failed on even the extreme trails. And is still the smoothest running engine I've ever had.
Of course double the horsepower, torque, and 40 gears (5×4x2) (Toyota 4 speed and transfer. ) doesn't hurt.
Doesn't anyone get it yet? The goal is to destroy Harley Davidson and every other iconic American brand and tradition. That is the goal . They want to make you do one of two things : give up or kick off a war. Do you think that they aren't aware of what they are doing to our country? Do you think it"s just a oversight that our representatives are allowing them to do it?
Bingo. Now to take the next logical step: who stands to benefit the most from the fall of American greatness? Who has spies riddled all throughout high places in the US gov? Yup, va-GHINA!
That's the sad part is that our "leaders" are doing it on purpose. Just like the mass immigration. They are following an agenda.
I try to avoid being a conspiracy theorist but you are on to something. It’s all about bringing America to its knees from the inside.
nope. called it before 2020
You are correct.
Wokeness is the closest a society can get to having aggressive cancer.
They hired a bunch of woke graduates with fancy titles to modernize the company.
Day in the life of HD HR Rep
Banksters hired a bunch of woke communists to destroy the company.
@@marcosmercedesn i think the idea was to avoid going bankrupt, although thats been hd's struggle for 60 years.
@@lassikinnunen”Avoid going bankrupt.”
They had ONE job. 😂
Destroy the company you mean…
Harley is the Disney of the motorcycle world. As quality declines, prices keep going up.
Except quality is going up and prices went down this year 😂
Get woke, go broke. How many times does it have to be said?
Harley is the bud light
@@TheRedpillExperiment How would you know who HD sources the parts from, they come from all over the world.
Harley has never built quality motorcycles
I feel for Harley plant workers, dealers & owners. The management is throwing all of them under the bus.
Same in Hollywood. Iger and his ilk still make millions but the "downsizing" is of course only affecting the lower people.
They all jackasses anyway. Should've handled business instead of getting drunk and ignorant.
The bus is probably made in China.
They are being replaced with all electric by 2023.
💯
It isn't just motorcycles. The Human Spirit is dying, in general. And, politics, greed, data-harvesters, and Wall Street killed it. Individuality and Imagination have been "cancelled".
Welcome to the dystopian present. This decline is all across North America and Europe. It's like it's a plan or something.
True that. Great perspective.
More people need to realize this. We are just seeing the effects.
Obiden killed the human spirit when he started handing out Biden bucks!
Well, their plan worked out perfectly. Keep everyone locked up for a couple years, pass out free money, and control the media by canceling anyone who wants to speak up!
Every Harley T-shirt, belt, boot etc…. are all made overseas. Embarrassing!
HD’s product is not motorcycles anymore. It’s brainwashed woke people
They already brainwashed and broke
HD Makes more money off teeshirts and crap with the HD logo on it than it ever has on its motorcycles.
@@mycowboyways915 Since they try to sell that shit so high just on brand name alone.
and $65 tee shirts
I don’t mind making the union mad, but moving production is a killer
The magic of Harley was image, the tough biker attitude, rugged American individualism. That's not in style anymore, everything's collectivism, falling in line, moving with the herd... right into the slaughterhouse.
Or they’re just shitty bikes?
True.
Plus Made In America
Everything is ghay today
This has been a slow car crash for 30, years, Harley wasn’t a brand, it was an image, the image was the 1960’s hippy rebel, the boomer…..it’s over, they all aged out and become lawyers, attorneys, or burnouts. Their product is dated, underperforming, and over priced. The rebel without a cause got replaced by Japanese sport bikes in the 90’s and 2000{s, now replaced by young people who don’t give two shits about vehicles. Their gaming rig, is more bragging rights, than boasting about their new motorcycle It’s over, Razorfist (RUclips , subscribe) says it best, it’s not get woke go broke, it’s go broke, get woke. They have been done for over a decade
Just to point out..T H E Y DON'T CARE. They are ctying crocodile tears.the people on the Board don't ride on a Harley. They ride on private jets.
Exactly! When I sense manipulation tactics. I freak out
Chopping up harley hasn't made private jet money in a long long time.
A factory in thailand is on par with private jet price tho i suppose.
Anyway correct answet i guess would be cry moar and buy more bikes, thailand has highest motorbike ownership as % of population in the world.
Selling the whole brand to some old thai geezer billionaire would probably be the best ending.
The traditional fans of HD don't want a bike thats affordable and could be the only bike for a motorbiking family and thats a shame, what i mean with this is that all the thai geezers who own harleys here also have some smaller bikes(usually scooters) for weekday dicking around.
I imagine some of them are riding each other while riding on their private jets.
Of course they don't. The suits responsible have golden parachutes to float them down to their estates in perfect comfort. They face absolutely no consequences for failure, and no consequences when their decisions cost everyone below them their jobs. The only downside to failing is you don't make /as much/ money as you would have if you made the company take off, but it doesn't even matter because you were already sitting on 10s of millions or more before you started.
@@lassikinnunen > Selling the whole brand to some old thai geezer billionaire would probably be the best ending.
A billionaire Thai geezer that actually rides HD bikes would certainly be a better leader than an effeminate German that came from a sneaker company. The geezer might even recognize the value of making bikes for the American market in America, because he has an understanding of the brand and its history.
The CEO is from Germany and comes from a shoe company that makes all their products in Asia. Why is anyone surprised by this.
The Harley was not a motorcycle. He was American freedom, the symbol of everything American, westerns, rambo..... The exact opposite of DEI.
Ladyboys ride a Harley now.
My personal feeling is it is a win/ win situation for the left. Either the right swallows the BS wokeness and gives them money to destroy their values OR they go broke taking another symbol of the right. For communism to work it is either comply or die. There is no middle ground. There can't be for communism to exist.
Just like a drug addict you cannot save people hell bent on destroying themselves until they hit rock bottom. The problem is they are dragging the rest of us down with them.
That’s true for any society at any time in history. It’s just our turn.
@FrankS111 yeah I was told buy another vacationer in Cancun in 2004 what's causing it. And I came back to the States where others told me that I should keep my mouth shut
No. There are many awesome older Harleys. HD only makes money on overpriced clothing and new mcys. Finally your investment in clean older Harleys will bear "value" fruit. Keep your new shit!
Harley gonna see a immediate drop in their clothing line sales.
Sadly J oke R you are incorrect. Its NOT about the MONEY. If it was, they, along with DOZENS and DOZENs of others would have done an about face once they saw them going into the Red.
No, it's much, Much worse. You are correct that it's WOKE, DEI and worse.
Look up Larry Fink of BR and see what he has to say about "Changing" how people think.
Now UNDERSTAND he is the CEO of a MASSIVE TRILLION DOLLAR Entity.
Then understand, that there are at least another half dozen MASSIVE Entities like this, Asset Managers and Hedge Funds.
They are Not just Gaming the System, they are PUSHING MARXIST Values.
It is Insidious.
It is by DESIGN.
It is about CONTROL.
Understand that these MASSIVE TRILLION DOLLAR Entities own portions of ALL These Companies.
Then understand that these same Entities OWN DOZENS and DOZENS of Portions of other Companies and that the Entity can then Direct those Companies to BUY STOCK in whichever company they chose, thereby increasing their SHARE PERCENTAGE.
Are you stating to see what I am seeing?
It is Insidious.
It is EVIL.
It's NOT a Narrative.
IT'S AN AGENDA
I used to work for Harley. I am saddened deeply by this. On 9-11, our dealerships were full of intensely Patrioric Harley riders. This move by Harley makes me SICK!!!!
It’s a temporary move for the power train production on certain bikes at an already existing Harley plant in Thailand.
Looks like it’s only for one year until they get the US plant updated.
I never understood the patriotic side of it. Their rims have been made in Japan for years now. They are not an American bike. But they are overpriced for what you truly get now.
@@christopherw4527 the date he is referring to was a "patriotic"inside job.
Face it. HARDLY is no american!! Zero!!
@@analyticalhabitrails9857 Still an American company 🤷🏻♂️
The thing is , they hate you. They want you to own nothing . They have literally told everyone the plan but for some reason people ignore it
accurate statement.
💯 this!!! More people need to wake up to this fact and quick
I've been told by the Canadian media that stating the davos elites intentions,word for word, is a right wing conspiracy theory.
They hate you and the USA.
people are stupid and think its just a "CoNsPiRaCy ThEoRy"
This is what they get for voting Democrat.
Demoncrap Filth strike again
Yeah, I was thinking that very thing! Thought Democrats wanted 'American-Made' production and "CARED" about Jobs in your Country??!!
Not even close
@@Cube_Ernator1077 Which is why they welcomed 20 MILLION illegals during the last 3 years.
NAFTA @@Cube_Ernator1077
They take away your job and then try to sell you a bike. This is the American reality.
It is a real shame for motorcycle lovers. Sad destruction of a truly great brand. Why the hell did they hire a soyboy from Germany? Were there no competent US ceos who love the product?
They were once a great brand but they’ve become the overpriced Alienware of bikes. You can get more bang for your buck with other brands. Still I will always remember the old brand logo which they stupidly changed.
I think it's absolutely hillarious.. especially considering the type of tough boy rider they used to attract. Gunna be funny watching them riding down the street now on their pride machines ..😂😅 gold
Yeah man a 1%’er with meth problems would have been a better choice
I'm a motorcycle lover. Harley is trash, has been trash, and now it's achieved it's destiny lol
So has Fird and they've been overseas for years.
The word is that from 2025 the new colours will be either pink or rainbow.🌈🌈🌈
Will come with one month supply of Bud Light and customer choice of panties...
Gayley Transverson approved. Talk about knowing your customer base...
And Dylan Mulvany will be their brand-ambassador (provided he doesn't fall off).
Vote American, not Democrat and not Woke. I am only buying used parts for my Harley. BOYCOTT!!
Boycotts do not work. For every one who does not buy theres 10 idiots who do. Also, everyone will forget all about this in 2 weeks.
The definition of stupidity, repeating the same mistakes as Budweiser and Disney expecting different results.
Yeah, and they showed they are that! Unamerican!!
No mistakes are happening! This is all very intentional. This has been the game plan for decades, destroy America from the inside out without a shot being fired. They are now so emboldened that they are openly taking our most iconic brands down the road of destruction.
In 2019, Harley sold 125k bikes in the US... last year, they sold 98k bikes in the US. Harley makes more money from financing overpriced bikes, add on junk, chrome trinkets, clothing, and OUTRAGEOUS service costs.... In addition, the traditional customer base is ageing out,and young people can't afford a 30k plus bike and don't really care for the Harley "lifestyle"... and worst of all, the CEO has publically stated the future of Harley Davidson is electric bikes.... really?... Harley has averaged fewer than 1,000 Live Wire bike sales a year.... nobody wants one... they are all sold to Government Agencies and the like... stand beside a running Harley.... potato potato potato... The convective heat from the cylinder fins, the smell, the subtle vibration, the signature exhaust sound... I get a hard on just thinking about it... and the Harley CEO wants that gone in favor of an Electric Harley.
The electric vehicle thing is cratering. I work in car repair and knew it wasn't going to work. It will in the future but we need a couple of major breakthroughs before they can do what gas powered cars do.
Hiring a German to run Harley was the first red flag. Duh.
They hired a liberal german dedicated to liberal issues to expand market reach. It failed because Harley doesn't exist in the old Twitter world with censorship to protect all companies doing Rainbow activity support.
@@JensJaskorski you don't hire CEO that are millionnaires already and are political activists, those do not care for your company and will bury it especially when blackrock is their real boss
he is only a wrecking ball, installed by the board.
@@JensJaskorskithere are plenty of great American engineers FROM AMERICA seeings how Harley Davidson is an AMERICAN MOTORCYCLE!!! Or are you really just that dense? Would you like an American engineer taking over Mercedes Benz or BMW? Yeah you would feel the same exact way that I as an American do
@@gearhead682010dude. Did you not watch the video? They ste moving production AWAY frim the US
1:52 - HD is now having their Bud Light moment. HD, RIP.
Just like the Dillon Molvaney budlight, it's now a very very big EMBARASSMENT as a man to be seen with a ladyboy bike
I keep getting bombarded with ads on RUclips showing Bud Light being drank by manly men in a manly setting. The damage is done. There is no going back.
haha yt algo tries to delete anything with those 2 words dm , ill steal yours if u dont mind..
@@luigivincenz3843 Yes. It does delete your comment because you said something bad about Dilly.
@@claytonbouldin9381 how do u know they're really men?
@@luigivincenz3843 That is actually a good point. If they aren't then they are some scary looking women.
Its being done intentionally, folks. They want to destroy all iconic brands. Bud, Harley, Disney...the list is endless.
Exactly just as churches, Boy Scouts, women's sports, and field sports are being destroyed.
Get that German dude out and put Ted Nugent in!
That'll really put the final nail in 😂
@@julianmokhtar I think Ted would do a much better job. Probably save the brand.
When American companies have outsourced everything overseas and all there is mass US unemployment who exactly is going to be buying these bikes? Or any luxury product? It's literally a race to the bottom.
There are not that many people who can fork over $25,000 for a bike to $34,000 for a trike in cash, most make payments.
Exactly like Australia right now! We stopped manufacturing 10 years ago and today the country is FUCKED!
Great point.
@@vincei4252 you don't know, how right you are. Germany ordered 400 new Leo tanks from Krauss maffai.
They can't build the tanks. Why?
No steel mill left over in Europe.
And the Chinese don't sell chips for wappen to nato.
The next, Google gap. Tats normally the counter value in our money. You don't manufacture anything anymore, there go the value in your western fiat money.
@@ohwell2790Currently one could get a better bike for the same or less money, Indian’s or Buell’s motorcycles look like better build quality, and they’re made in the U.S.
ESG money and chasing a nonexistent modern audience/market is not a viable business strategy.
Right another company that is a zombie, there are products to sell but no one really wants to buy the products offered so its just the investor money keeping it alive.
Unfortunately, it's not business to wokies... it's a religion.
The point is to destroy the company. Then buy it for pennies on the dollar. Vulture capitalism
ESG money is intentionally tanking companies that don't fit into their long term goals... chasing the modern audience is a cover story and a weak one at that.
If you havent noticed, companies could care less about making money.
yea, the worst part of that is that the company will save several thousand but their prices will never go down.
The CEO needs a new yacht
IT's called "shittification" and all the corporations are doing it. They keep increasing their profits every quarter, even though the product gets worse and worse. They serve Mammon and not their customers.
They'll save several thousand in expenses, but how much have they lost in revenue? Certainly more than what they were looking at for cost savings.
When i found out that harley make 90 percent of their money from shirts and banners, not motorcycles. that was all i needed to know
A Life style brand.
Then its even more important to keep the image intact…
I left a major manufacturer who started down the DEI path. Quality went down in return for putting unqualified folks in positions as they filled a demographic instead of talent.
Any country without a strong base in manufacturing will go belly up.
Cheap energy is the life blood of an economy
As of March 2023 USA was $0.25 kWh while Thailand was $0.11 kWh
@@sailaway8244Interesting comment. I never considered this. Thanks
@@Drforce2311 most expensive electricity in the world from that survey were Denmark $0.53 Germany $0.52 UK $0.47
By comparison China was $0.08 Russia $0.06 Syria $0.01
It's a "global market" and companies will go where the profit is
thats the plan stan... china , india will be the manufacturing base
The USA hasn't manufactured anything on a grand scale in decades. WW3 breaks out we're doomed.
Fun Fact: The Walt Disney Company is about to lose more copyrights this upcoming January the 1st (Public Domain Day), 2025. It's going to be fun.
i will be hand painting mickey on my car
@@lunam7249 If you can, you should make a mural of Mickey destroying the brand. Just straight up murdering things. Give him a Communist t-shirt.
@@NotAffiliated Mickey in a Che Guevara shirt, waving a pride flag, peeing on Walt Disney's grave.
The mouse is a louse.
@@NotAffiliated transformer mickey!!! great ideally!!👏👏👏❤️❤️👏
You can't save a company that has put a woman in charge of something.
Dam straight we need sexism for real. The girls were way happier getting attention. Even if they were completely objectified. Nothing has changed just silenced.
The Harley CEO is a trans whether he realizes it or not.
What about a man who thinks he's a woman?
@@glenryan6569 Such a man is either on the less masculine range of men or he is deceived.
Or a nation!
Hard to believe so many people think this is new. I have never bought a new Harley, and never will. I bought used or built what I wanted and I have been riding over 44 years. I once in my life bought a used Harley from a Harley dealer and they committed fraud when they sold it to me. I broke my own personal rule after many years of sticking to it when I bought that bike, lesson learned. I still don't understand why so many people think Harley screwing their customers on every level is new. DEI? That's just the latest thing.
I badged an old Suzuki "Hardley Davidson" for laughs. Now the actual company is "Hardley Davidson". Sad. But deserved.
In a few years, HD will be "Hardly Makingit".
Hardly Ableson
Same with Audi, same with BMW, once european staples of engineering, cant go 60k miles without a major failure these days and they all support thr message
I had a Hardly Davidson chopper in 1970. It was fun to build, but not practical in Florida where it rains every day in the summer, so I sold it for a down payment on a house. It worked. It doesn't rain inside my house.
Good job. Definitely a winning play
Quitter since 1970.
They were junk back then too. Had a highly modified Kaw 500 triple myself that was still more reliable than my friends stock ‘75 Sportster.
"They're American because you can tell by their weight" lol, it is sad but true.
They could be Mexican ...
No mexican would bother with such a shitty bike
We still talking about motorcycles here?
You mean Harleys are obese?
We have always been a Harley family. Even my cousin that was born in Argentina was OBSESSED with Harley’s. We all purchased our bike before all this woke crap started. My sons and I were planning on getting a Harley for my grandson’s hs graduation, BUT that changed real quick. As a first generation American, I find the leadership of Harley INFURIATING as well as DISRESPECTFUL to all American Patriots including myself! It should be a law that ONLY American citizens that LOVE America can lead America brands. It used to be the n honor and a privilege to own a Harley until they turned the company into a DUSGRACE! Let’s make America Great Again!
I wonder how much it will cost to have a 37 year old harley tattoo removed?
Any "Regrats"
Lol
See r movie, We're the Millers.😂
“There’s one couple, they’re American, you can tell because of their weight” 😂😂😂
Boycotts are a real thing. And many times, it has devastating effect on brands once loved by the consumers.Everything starts somehwere. I used to watch a lot of cable tv. I cut the cord long before the term was widely known and killed cable as we knew it. I used to go to the movies, but made a conscious decision that it wasnt worth it, and I also hated the fact that the product was manufactured in a comi-village called Hollyweird, were everybody was telling me my opinions and values were disgusting, and I should instead embrace their perceptions and world view. Stopped watching he mainstream media when I realized the channels was involved in some kind of leftwing branwashing and later woke extremism. I stopped using dating-apps, stopped going on dates and became a de facto Mgtow long before 99 percent of people knew the term. Now all of this has reached mainstream a long time ago. Hollywood is dead. MSM is dead. Movie theathers are empty. Women and society are flabbergasted that men are walking away from marriage and dating. Radio is dead. I can go on and on. But the point is that what I and millions of others started to excercise throuth our options, without giving it to much thought at the time, was in reality a boycott of products, services, public censorship, manipulation etc. We saw the writing on the wall, wether we were aware of it or not, and acted accordingly.
Radio went dead when every station let Kalifornica program them. Circa 1980.
Same here. Cable, MSM, movies, newspapers, radio.. all of it. Done many years ago. Coke. That's a product I used to abuse. I was never overweight but I don't need the sugar .. or the woke. These companies that want to push the agenda that is largely anti-me won't get a dime from me anymore. I'm happier spending time hiking, fishing, gardening, shooting, driving, eating healthier .. whatever.
As an immigrant I always found hilarious that flags people put everywhere during the 4th of July are mostly made in China. I have the same feeling for Harley now.
Allways wonder why Americans living in America need to put flags everywhere? Have they forgotten who and where they are?
@@cedhome7945 it's called national pride you goof
@@cedhome7945 There is a lot to love here!. National pride is not to be shamed.
One of the only cool things about Minnesota is we have a law here that you can't sell an American flag that's not American made. I personally always make sure my American flag is American made. Wouldn't feel right otherwise
@@cedhome7945 It's a simple act which clearly defines those who kind of pay attention and give a sht vs those who expect everything to simply be taken care of, people who are always at the ready with a complaint and or demand, while championing measures which negatively impact society as a while. Further, many in the US display both the US flag as well as the Flag of their respective ancestors Homelend. I've been to several Nations, barring those in direct conflict on their own soil, it's pretty common to see folks represent. Given such is, in some capacity, the norm in nearly every Industralized Nation, the question seems a bit odd.
"Union workers strongly object to Harley sending more work overseas."
Union workers traditionally vote for this kind of mindset. The unions will fill your mailbox with pro-democrat propaganda. I stopped working at a company whose union membership was mandatory. The union pulled the same kind of backroom chicanery, screwing over employees, that unions were originally supposed to protect employees from evil corporations' doing.
Right on the money, you nailed it
I'm a retired uaw jeep worker and I stopped voting for democratic bs in 08
As a lifelong Harley rider it is sad to see fools trying not to be stupid. In protest I bought an Indian Scout this week. Great bike and it doesn't sound like 'wokewokewokewoke' when you turn it over..
My, long ago sold, 883 sounded a tad 'woke.'
OMFG! Harley's main advantage in the U S. was that they were an American -made motorcycle. Straying from that means that they will be less than nothing in the American market.
most of the parts on HDs are made in japan
@Orban_rides1: I find that hard to believe. If they were made in Japan, they would be better quality. China maybe...
@jakeviolet2195 no disrespect but Japanese bikes are fine tuned . China is crap. I'm not brand loyal, I buy what works with appropriate cost factored in. I definitely do not fall victim to peer pressure on what to ride. I have kawasaki, motoguzzi and indian bikes. Each is a tool for a specific job. I love my guzzi but it's not as good as a Japanese bike . Not even close. I won't pay 5x what a pos HD is worth just to impress some NPC at a stop light.
My Honda is more American than Harley. At least my Valkyrie was made here.
American assembled.
Voting for Kamala after 4 years of the Biden/Harris administration is like crapping your pants and changing your shirt.
Or being a loyal member of the hivemind where nothing else is known in life.
Good one
I needed that laugh!! perfect
They always change Joe's shirt after his butt's been wiped. 🤣
Great analogy
The company has been dying for decades.
They just put nitrous on that process.
Gave up on HD 25-30 years ago. Can’t remember why.
I do like my Indian.
@@Scout686Indian is woke too. Look it up.
Since the 90’s. FTF!
Indian went under in 1953.
Who is really behind the destruction of all great American brands?
Capitalism and greed. Why pay Americans when you can pay slaves in China and other east Asian countries and keep your prices the same? Shareholders want infinite growth, but that's not possible so all you can do is cut costs, but that only works for so long.
The faithful Harley riders - a good part of that loyalty is the fact that they are a USA company making the bikes in the USA. Take away the reasons to buy American and bikers might as well buy Japanese or European bikes
At the end of the day, these brands need to remember that they are nothing without their customers. NOTHING.
Oooh i can see their new adverts already, Harley Davidson, made in Thailand by ladyboys 🤣
Harley, made by and for ladyboys.
Yes, Harley's were always desired by young riders who started with Honda minitrail 70"s. Because it did have all those things- Looks, sound, history and WAS made in the USA. You would think it would be foolish for the company to abandon a system that had been working for them for decades. Even though the price they charge is high for their motorcycles had they kept making them here they would have survived. Now its in jeopardy because of foolhardy management.
Harley has had parts made in Asia for 40 years. While calling better brands 'riceburners'. Disgusting marketing.
Now in pink!!
hey man, their trying to get that massive LGBTQIA+++ market share... hahaha
After they send production to Thailand they will still charge the same price. If you buy an HD you are subsidizing your own job loss. DO NOT BUY ANY NEW HD!! Enjoy the old ones. The end.
used to buy these australian made blunstone boots then they sent production to thailand but the price stayed the same never bought another pair after that
It's not Harley Davidson that is iconic. It is the 1% MC member that is iconic. They just happen to ride Harley Davidson, for now.
Harley had a line of bikes that could have appealed to younger riders but chose to mismanage it and then piss it away. I was 27 when I bought my new Buell back in 2001.
Fantastic opportunity for indie and Indian motorcycle manufacturers.
I bought the Royal Enfield. I love the bike.
Indian’s fell under Polaris for awhile now too
Thailands been making a bunch of "japanese" bikes for a good long while now.
@@MikeyohMikeyPolaris/Indian is controlled by Blackrock&Vanguard, just like Harley Davidson, John Deere, Tractor Supply. Buying an Indian is not going to hurt Blackrock they just move their money around. Polaris has went woke too.
Still made in America since 1901. Founded before Harley.
In 2018, i got my motorcycle license. I didn't know anything about Harley Davidson, but because our shop had them and we worked on them, that's what i was going to buy.
So i went into a few Harley Davidson dealers, and i was treated like absolute illegal alien crossing the border. It was that bad.
Salesmen wouldn't get out of their chairs. Sales staffing told me to look up any and all information i wanted online. Never offered a coffee or even a test ride.
This was happening to me at multiple dealers in different states. So is this the typical way Harley Davidson treats and interactions with their customers?
As i was poking around, I saw 2 year old brand new unsold units, and Harley Davidson wanted full list prices on. After 2 years?!
I also saw aftermarket bling, not even Harley Davidson performance parts, installed on brand new units. And of course with the additional northern upwards pricing fees to cover them.
After we ended up taking a bike back to the dealer 3 times to fix a warranty issue, i decided that if i ever was to buy a motorcycle, it wouldn't be from Harley.
That’s awful! People suck. I ALWAYS offer coffee to customers after greeting them and letting them know I’m available for questions.
I bought a used one from a guy 20 years ago and haven't had one problem
If you are looking for a big Harley, get a gold wing from Honda. Best touring bike ever made.
Better than a Harley in anything and everything. Price, support by dealers, riding, power, comfort on a trip, and wonderful in the twisty turnees! Unbelievable how they are so agile!
If you dont want a big bike, then look at any Jap bike in medium sizes.
(I rode from 1966 until this year, got too old, and I miss it!!!)
Friend of mine rode Harleys. Every hour riding,was three hours fixing. Always something wrong with his bike.My little Enduro at the time just kept on trucking.
But illegals are treated wonderfully so I’m confused
"There is one couple, they're American because of their weight.." Damn.. 😂
Stepping through the history of how we got here... Harley-Davidson was started as a private company in 1903, it was bought by AMF in 1969, 13 investors bought it back in 1981, and it went public in 1986.
In 1986, a large percentage of shareholders were retail investors whose motivation was at least partly to support the company.
As the years went by, the percentage owned by institutional investors increased and now they are now the only significant influence on the company.
In theory, institutional investors are only interested in maximizing their return on investment.
So, we have to ask ourselves why are those institutional investors destroying the value of their investment by actively alienating the customers? Harley cannot survive a serious boycott that lasts more than a few quarters. The interruption of cash-flow would kill the dealer network and with no network, the company dies. Their products are already very expensive and are selling into a shrinking demographic with declining disposable income. Customers have alternatives in the used market and in Indian, Triumph, and Royal Enfield. Alternatives for service are everywhere and, if this keeps up, there will be more independent service businesses.
I think the answer is obvious.
When I was a kid in the sticks, there were a lot Harleys, leather vests and Bud Light. Now it’s just leather chaps.
Bud Light? Seriously? All that leather and macho and they didn't drink proper beer?
The destruction is intentional. Once you understood this you do not wonder anymore. DEI ist just a pretext, as they always have pretexts for their ridiculous decisions.
Hey, remember when they insisted that the Thailand factory was to make products for Asia and totally not them ofshoring?
Zhongshen is already making engines for them, I would guess for the overseas markets. Any guess as to how long before they take it further?
When I rode my scooter I liked being by myself. One day on the freeway, a group of Harleys was gaining on me. I rolled into the throttle and put some space between us. I stopped at a convenience store for a drink, the group caught up with me. When I came out, they were gathered around it trying to figure out why they couldn’t keep up. Aprilia, 500cc scooter 😊. Nice guys on the Harleys BTW.
Nice guys or guys put in their place.
Probably nice. Most Harley riders are nice people (just old) and even outlaw bikers generally don't bother people who don't give them trouble.
I can relate, smoked a softtail on my honda silver wing.
From a 33 yo. Hd was dead from three sides.
1 Harleys decision to fire Buell and stay out of the sport bike models.
2 the boomers on their hds attitudes towards everyone else
3 society has been pussified into compliance. Bikes were always about freedom and rebellion.
Ladyboy motorcycles lol This is going to be hilarious.
Do they buy a pink one or a rainbow flag coloured one?
I’ve been vacationing in Thailand twenty years. The sad thing is that I could really see this happening.
Especially considering the tough boy type they used to attract.. will be hillarious seein them riding around on their pride machines. 😂😅🤣 absolutely gold!!🎉
So will the 1%ers ride a ladyboy bike?
QC will be better, but its an AMERICAN BRAND.
at minimum, many are REMOVING THE HARLEY BADGING OFF THEIR BIKES if they haven't tried trading it in for an INDIAN MOTORCYCLE
Young people cannot afford anything, is anyone awake
Young folks just want to play with phone.
Old people can’t either
It depends. I am in the trades and have guys in their mid 20s who work for me that make over 80K a year.
@prd004.2 facts, old people are running on the illusion of credit which is why it seems like they can afford more
What Harley needed to do is what Triumph and Royal Enfield just did. They just released two great entry level bikes (the Triumph 400x and RE Himalayan 450) that cost less than 6 grand brand new. Now, the quality is not on par with high end bikes, and they are both made in India, but they are both still pretty damn good! More than good enough for a young rider in his teens or twenties looking to get his first bike. And they look cool! They don't look like entry-level crap that you would be ashamed to ride. Harley tried to do something similar a few years ago with the Street models, but it was an abject failure, because they weren't anything like a Harley. The quality was bad, the design was bad and other Harley riders made fun of them. There are some other great entry-level bikes like the Honda CB500x and KTM390 which are also pretty inexpensive. And of course there are used bikes all day long. If you are a young person looking for cheap transportation, a bike is a great option. They are cheaper than cars, cheaper to insure, cheaper to maintain and repair and use way less gas. There is a reason why two-wheeled transportation is the standard in third world countries. It's cheap!
Id love to see Elon Musk, Kid Rock and Donald Trump put a syndicated together to buy Disney, Bud Light brand, Harley Davidson, CNN and You Tube and have it all made and manufactured by American in America
They forgot that people throughout the world love Harley-Davidson motorcycles because they are made in and represent America.
Sold my Harley last year. Glad I’m done with that brand. Won’t own another of their bikes.
I was fascinated with Harley motorcycles. Yet I never could justify spending $25k+ for something that is built with the fraction of materials as a car and is limited to good weather to use. I think Harley will die off with the boomers.
Lol it's only for sunny weather if you're scared of getting wet. First trip I took on a motorcycle I accidentally ended rode straight into a hurricane cause I hadn't been listening to the TV for weeks (I was working 7 day weeks leading up to the trip). Ended up riding about 150 miles in a downpour so bad water ran down my visor on the inside of my helmet. Felt like a drowned rat by the time I got out of it. LMAO. Getting rained on never bothered me after that. Cold weather is a pain but I live in the south so we only get about 3 or 4 months of cold weather a year.
@markcarpenter6020 I shower daily, rain is water, I wear rubberized rain gear... should I want to remain dry... not a big deal.
@@messenger2099 where I live it's usually not worth stopping to change gear. We get afternoon storms in the summer that last like 15 minutes. It can be light rain or heavy rain but it literally lasts 15-20 minutes and then it's sunny again. Basically by the time you stop. Put on your gear and get back on the he road the rain stops. So I eventually just stopped caring and would either pull into a gas station if I had time or just ride through it if I didn't.
Besides indian
Nothing is even close to how awesome a harley is
You never rode a nice one
@@JNAMOTORSPORTS I've rode everything on the road and Harley ain't that nice. The only good thing about a Harley is they are designed for someone my height (around 6 foot tall) most Japanese bikes are designed for someone 5 foot 6 and I need to mod them to be comfortable.
When Trump gets back in office, Harley Davidson will regret this decision. He'll put a 50% tariff in them to bring them back to the country! AND IT'S WELL DESERVED! An iconic American brand gone woke! "Go WOKE,..Go BROKE! " #FUHarleyDavidson #HarleyDavidsonAreTraitors
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In early 1973 l bought the last 1972 250cc Yamaha the dealer had. Paid a very good price for it. Dealer told me l was fortunate to get that bike at that price because the '73s would have a 50% tax added to them and the 74s would be 100% tax added. Seems Harley could not sell bikes at that time SO they went crying to the feds that foreign bikes were taking their business. After some money changed hands ALL foreign bikes had this tax added. Let H-D go to Thailand, then they can pay the 100% tax to import that they forced on others.
Harley could not make it even with a free hand out from Warren Buffet
Devil's advocate here: What if they want to destroy their brand? American workers have more laws protecting them than the company. Moving them to Thailand means cheaper labor. Most of the parts come from that area means fewer import fees and no tariffs.
I will vote for Trump on the issue of imposing tariffs alone. If we do not stop shipping these industrial jobs overseas, we will lose our ability to grow the economy by making real products. Last year, the GDP of real goods and services grew by $850 billion. The national debt grew by $1.7 trillion. Two dollars of debt for every dollar of GDP.
Not going to work, sorry buddy. American had great wages back in the 50s and 60s because we were the only true manufacturing power, so other countries had to overpay for our products because no one else was making them. US was the largest trading nation back then. Not the case today. Tariffs at best can protect US market, but US market alone can’t support American jobs. There is no way to go back the 50s as much as we would like to, unless, of course, we can start ww3 without getting ourselves involved. Hence, Ukraine.
Trump’s tariffs in 2018 was the reason HD closed its New York plant and moved to Thailand in the first place.
Protectionism doesn't work
Not just that Kamala open borders are killing US both economically and physically.Democratic party is the WOKE party keen on destruction of USA
@@bado6841 They moved to Thailand because Thailand had an import tax of 60% that is why, so they could sell to the Asian market.
It's not that the kids dont wanna ride a harley. Its the price!
I rented a brand new HD in KC for a bike rally. I fought that pig in the wind all the way to Des Moines. Then it quit running up on I-80. :-/ I rolled off an exit, disgusted.
A 4-pack of dudes rolled-off behind me. saw my bike dark. lucky me, one was a HD tech. He pulled the + off the battery, then we stood and drank a can of beer. compututer reset. the Microsoft fix. Bike started back up. fuel injection/computer dysfunction.
not buying a new HD.
Indian BMW Yamaha Kawasaki Honda make great bikes
Funny....The same thing happened on my 93 throttle body fuel ⛽ 💉 injection Chevy S10...The idle went up to like 3,000+ rpm & wouldn't go back to normal 900 or 1000rpm...I pulled over, disconnected the battery for over 10 seconds & reconnected. Problem went away after the ECU reset itself.
Young people don't even want to get driver's licenses anymore. Good luck getting them to ride motorcycles.
If Harley Davidson moves production to Thailand, I’ll buy an Indian. I already sold my Road King in disgust, I’ll never buy another Harley Davidson product again, ever!
It's good that we're jumping on these companies.
Eventually we need to jump on the politicians that sell us out making this possible
Harley Davidson. A clothes store that sometimes sells a bike.
😂👍🏻
The final straw ,harlys were already on the level of diamonds very few can afford one . This is just the final blow .
I'm 67 and owned dozens of bikes and HD were always junk. I owned a few. Junk. Service, Horrible.
Just don't buy H.D., not America anymore anyway. 😢😢😢
Almost nothing is American anymore!😢
I remember when made in Japan was considered junk, I look for stuff made in Japan now over everything else like from Taiwan or China.
The HD engines have had a long history of problems. Even when they got better there were still a number of faults and now the ESG fanatics have taken over. Bye bye Hogs.
Had an 03 electraglide, cam chain tension shoe went out at sixty thousand miles, plugging the oil ports. High price junk !
Good ol twin scam...@@robertmontgomery3943
The death knell for products like this is when the peer pressure exceeds the marketing, just like Bud Light. Harley Davidson has given the advertising finger to their base customers.
Peer pressure or straight coercion?
Coercion implies something is being held over your head. This is just HD = English cigarettes.
Honda Valkrie rider here, don't ride with HD's, get tired of waiting for them.
In latest news, the Harley "Fat Boy" has now been renamed the "Lady Boy".
Back in the 80’s I rode my Kawasaki 550 LTD to the Hardly Ablesome shop to buy a new bike and was completely ignored so they lost a sale by being arrogant towards a fellow rider.
Yep, that's the feeling I get whenever I interact with female involved businesses. I promptly boycott and post and negative comment of my experience.
@@YouilAushanaI bet you don't even want a female for President. lol. Me either. At least not the one running.
The females working at Harley are rude also..
Its like Bankers blaming their janitors and maids for the Banking Crisis. CEOs and their Board of Directors are giving themselves 10s of millions of dollars in raises, then blame their minimum wage employees for the collapse of their companies. HD is doing Billions in Stock Buy Backs then blame their employees for the collapse.
CEO made his money . Fire him he will get severance pay. He does not give a shit about you.
His plan exactly.
If Harley is able to do this while having a union; it kind of looks to me that unions are pointless.
Can't speak for Harley's union, but in my experience, the unions are just as bad as the "evil corporations" the unions are supposed to stand against.
I dumped Harley when the cast wheels on the 2012 Electra Glide started corroding while it was stored under cover. What cinched it was they wouldn't do anything about in Maine, but in Florida they were replacing them with chrome spoke wheels because the cast wheels were chinese junk! Been riding Indian since 2014!
The c e o should be under investigation for stock devaluation. My bike isn't worth what i'm paying for it now because of some suit.
1000% I’m pissed. I have half the mind to abandon it at the dealership and stop paying my not.
definately provable total disregard for the stockholders.. FELONY CRIME!!☠️☠️
Americans buy Harley because it is American, so do europeans, asians and the rest of the world. Sell your dealership now or just get out and dump your inventory.