Turbocharged HKS Subaru BRZ vs. JDM Toyota MR2 GT-S Turbo | Budget Boost Battle!
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Ever wonder if there was a much less expensive substitute for an HKS turbocharged Subaru BRZ?! Like half the price?! Well there is, it's the second generation (SW20) Toyota MR2 Turbo. This particular example is a 1994 GT-S, imported from Japan to Vancouver, BC and driven 2000km down to California for this comparison! With both cars making the same amount of power at the rear wheels, both weighing in at around 2,800 lbs, and both powered by 2.0L engines, it seemed like an obvious comparison to make. Retro vs. modern! ENJOY.
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"We race because we're not allowed to go to war." 
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Cringy sponsor portion, what an awkward skit hahahaha
Fucking lol
Much cringe
@@Vdeez What beach did they go to? A nudist beach perhaps
I skipped it lol
Love these colorful sportscars, i'm tired seeing those ugly dead boring silver-gray-black-white suvs
Marcus...if you are ever in the Detroit area... come and drive one of my MR2s. You will forget all about the BRZ! :)
I'm in!
I’ve had mr2 with a 6x mm turbo years ago. Also driven a 2017 gt86. The low center of gravity is like no other and way under appreciated. The feel of the gt86 cannot be found elsewhere. I love both for different reasons though.
"one of"???
what?
Then head over to Toronto and drive my track prep brz. You will laugh at this mans mr2
Lam Nguyen am I invited. I love beating on cars. Especially when I don’t own it.
I never heard of a boosted 86 with a torque dip, are you sure? Torque dip gets eliminated just with a tune (e85) and headers.
Honestly, it's probably to save the rods on the FA20 if it's not built. That or poor tuning.
People are so programmed to think there's a torque dip I honestly think they just assume it's somewhere due to the power of suggestion. If you look at other dyno graphs for cars the 86 is incredibly linear by comparison. Some Ferrari dynos look like an EKG from someone having a heart attack. I just have an exhaust and panel filter on my FR-S and I have to google a dyno graph to remember where the torque dip is supposed to be, it's greatly exaggerated by people trying to sell headers and tunes to people.
@@nunyabusiness896 i thought the same thing when i first got my car but after a while youll notice it. It kinda feels like power kicking in at around 4k, like a sudden increase in torque. I felt it in the stock tune but realized how bad it was after experiencing the 93 tune then it was gone on e85 tune. Once you tune it, youll see.
@@Ryan-ue9ve Lots of N/A variable valve timing cars (or race tuned non-variable valve timing) have a power jump towards the upper part of the revv range. If you want to talk torque dip, try the first 2/3 of an S2000's tach. I've had my car since 2013, it's hardly new to me, but I still don't agree it's a substantial dip or noticeable unless you're actively trying to notice it. I think this is more to do with people coming from broad powerband V6's, family tuned I4's with flat powerbands, or mild turbo cars that also kick in low in the revv range. Drive any old Honda or other N/A car with a sport-minded engine and there is always less power low down, period.
@@nunyabusiness896 oh haha sorry. Well i dont know what to tell you, i could definitely feel it. I wouldnt nessesarily say i felt the dip but the increase in torque at around 4k rpms that made it noticable. Have you driven a e85 86 before? Its not just the increase in power but the delivery. Like in my car i can be at 3k rpms and it feels like im accelerating but before it was like i had to wait until the rpms went above 4k until i felt anything.
3sgte all day. Timeless design and before Toyota went all sensitive
Wait, what do you mean by sensitive?
Just put fresh OEM plugs (.028 gap), cap and rotor in my 3S-GTE.
God, she purrs. Pulls hard.
I'd take an MR2,I mean the BRZ is good but I prefer the MR2 because it represents true Japanese car performance
And the Boxer engine doesn't have the durability of the Toyota made engine.
@@H0LDENSUX Wait so the boxer still has an aluminum block?
@@vipbeef2174 Pretty much everything has a aluminum block these days.
Awesome vid! Thanks for having my car in it💛
I need a BRZ/86 one day. Very fun cars despite the speed out the box.
I have a 86 and tbh the 200hp are more than enough for a daily driver and oh boy, you gonna love them corners! Only thing you need is after market exhaust system and a new set of rims/tires!
@@shincoleone Agreed on the power. Unless you're taking it to the drag strip or a large circuit track the power is actually just right. Anywhere 0-80 mph it's all you really need as adding more just makes it more of a handful in lower speed corners.
@@shincoleone wheels and tires*
My Man! Now I really love the channel. MR2 all the way!
The quality of these videos are absolutely incredible. Never once have I been disappointed.
Americans and Canadians collabing over jdm cars pretty sick
Keep it up brother.... This channel need more love.... Been here since 30k
“My speakers in my 94 mr2?! They stopped working a long time ago thats why I got this nice kove speaker’
Oooh those HKS turbo spool noises 😍 Definitely interested in this kit for my brz.
The 3sgte is definitely a great engine but I like the BRZ design more.
The new production quality was much needed, but now that it's here... Holy shit! Keep up the content and cinemotagraphy
I like your unbiased commentary on the MR2, but I do think it's important to note that in cases like the mud this is not really indicative of it's true handling characteristics. A front engine layout will be more mild and predicable out on a road like that, but on a racetrack those factors aren't usually relevant and mid-engine is usually preferable. Thanks for a great vid! Drone shots are fire.
BRZ but I’m slightly biased as a 2017 owner
Ayee, fellow BRZ owners
You are comparing an early 90s Toyota to a newer BRZ. HKS turbo on the BRZ which will most likely spoil quicker than the CT20b turbo the MR2 has obviously. The BRZ has Brembos which the MR2 doesn’t. Suspension can be rectified with a quality coilover setup on the MR2 as well. The MR2 is a better car if it’s updated to today’s specs.
It's not even a fair comparison the mr2 is stock and that BRZ has way more mods and it's boosted haha
MR2 is still going to have a much higher CG and dated suspension geometry. The GT86 is one of the best handling cars ever made, there really isn't much out there at all that can top the handling. I've driven a Ferrari 458, Skyline R34 GTR, Evo VI, 350z, WRX and WRX STI, modded NC Miata, BMW 228i, infiniti G35, 02 Sentra SE-R Spec V, etc. and none of those handle as well as my FR-S. The low CG and light weight is just impossibly good, there's nothing out there that is as confidence inspiring in a corner. For only 200hp it regularly embarrasses cars with close to double the horsepower on circuit tracks and autocrosses with just a tire upgrade.
Took a BRZ for a test drive and oh my was i disappointed. That stock engine has literally nothing.
I thought 150kw on paper, might have some pull, but no. Nothing. Gearbox was junk too.
Shame, cause I really liked the shape, the way it felt, etc.
Agreed if you owned one you would have to turbo or supercharge.
"You still feel the torque dip even with the turbo" No you don't. It doesn't exist any more. Check any dyno results. You are biased.
Any problems with your engine since you installed the HKS turbo kit on yourBRZ?
Hi did you finde any ss3 Yamaha beams Toyota there ??!, do you have installed on your car a blow of valve??
Can you really compare brand new aftermarket Brembos on the BRZ to 25 year old stock calipers? Absolutely love the MR2 in spite of age.
The brakes are on the mr2 are very good brakes and comparable. They are just very old. I've done touge races in an ft86 and a 93 sw20.
I'd suggest removing the caliper guide pins, cleaning them, regreasing and putting back in and assuming the calipers are in good order you will feel good mr2 brakes.
And don't forget to check and replace the boots
Nice Video! I think the mr2 is a very special Car, a unique Car and there will be never again a car like this. It was called a poor Man's Ferrari and it is really a bit like this. It has this exotic feeling and look. And it still has a performance to shock very expensive sports Cars.
Greetings from a 94 GTS Driver in Germany.
That BRZ sounds SO good.
Perfect color for each car. Love the tails on the brz.
Damn that was a good one! 👍🏾
If I turbocharge my brz. How many headgaskets will I have to replace?
None! My car has been boosted for 2 years no problem along with countless other's I know
@@mowflexthesubnegro1846 ok good to know. Thanks
Be conservative, go to a reputable tuner. You will be ok
@@punisherzly88 preciate that fam
I wonder how the MR2 would behave with the Garrett G25-550 or 660...earlier spool and still higher power? As for the BRZ, I'd take a look at the overlap of the cams. NA cars benefit from extraction and better filling when the exhaust flow is helping to suck in the intake charge , especially at higher rpm. On a turbo motor, you end up blowing boost out the exhaust with too much overlap.
One reason you'd want electric power steering is it doesn't draw power from the engine unlike hydraulic power steering but the latter can give better road feedback. But the BRZ's steering feels tighter with better driving feel technically. I've had both and a BRZ and a '95 MkII MR2 Turbo. MR2 feels more special which I can't do justice attempting to explain--you'd have to drive one.
switchlanez I believe the feeling you’re describing is that of fear. If you don’t respect it the car may kill you due that fact that it not have stability control or traction control lol
I would like to see the HKS turbo against the HKS supercharger v3.
And the winner against an edelbrock supercharger brz.
HKS Turbo would destroy both
He said: the beach, hanging with the homies...ya know...🤣😂
Classic or modern?! What would you guys take?!
Classic all the way!!
modern fa20 on e85 will kill your classic all day!
@@ironmandingo1 it was just a question of which you prefer but thanks for the insult.
Classic with a lot of money to build it.
As the owner of the brz there’s something about that RHD Mr2 you definitely have to respect it. I would love to own one some day. As for now I’ll take the BRZ😎
What’s the setup on the brz/frs suspension wise? If it’s got a larger frame turbo than even the Japanese version which got a bigger turbo.
If the frs is sitting on coil overs and wider tires etc and the mr2 is fairly stop I mean you can’t compare those cars at all.
The CT20B is still smaller than what’s on the frs/brz it’s going to have more top end and throttle response since it’s a newer turbo and tuned.
They don’t really talk about any of this in the video
I owned a mr2 turbo and I liked it a lot better than the toybru
Jospeh Andreuccetti the BRZ is on an Hks GTIII turbo kit. Not exactly sure on the size of it. I just know it’s some what small and pushes 15psi.
It’s on ST suspension coils and sways. Rays 57cr gramlights, Toyo proxies summer performance tires.
savage8six yeah but it’s still bigger than the mr2s factory turbo it’s going to make more power and have a wider range of usability
Where is that road? It looks really nice!
Lol that fake speaker ad
Thinking the same haha
Right..just bad
MR2 all day long. You just don't see ten trillion of 'em on the road.
thats cause the brz is a modern day car lol it is one of the last few standing cheap sports cars. I bet back in the mr2's time it would be the same equivalent
Ollie Lawsac I was simply talking population of cars wise, if to compare today’s abundance of brz’s it would probably be similar to the population of mr2’s from the 90’s
Henry Lee
Not at all. MR2’s were always super rare.
Sir what's the name of your fin/ canard in the back of the BRZ and tail lights ? both look awesome!
davie crocket the trunk is a VIS carbon trunk. Tail lights are from Intec japan
@@punisherzly88 Because the rear of your car reminds me a Lotus/ Ferarri thanks. I'd hate to get a big ass T wing and mess up our beautiful low CD which does come with the car lol
Give the mr2 a nice bov and it will sound just as gd if not better. Great video btw.
Yeah! Honestly I'm never too happy with the exhaust audio we capture with my MR2, it sounds much better in person and in a couple of our previous videos.
You could run a bov delete plate too, I ran one on my gen 3 for years. Sounds great.
I have a turbo FA20 and I have no dip. I think I think It depends on the kit that you have and your tune.
I never heard of a tourque dip past na e85 let alone boost. I thinks the tune is probably mitigating the power.
Nice comparazing..
What happened to the rims?
First gen Porsche Cayman S. You get a 300hp, 2900lb car for the same price as a used brz + forced induction and a more refined N/A version of an MR2 GT-S Turbo.
And scored bores
What Steering Wheel is in the BRZ?
Jazzy Into Cars sorry for just seeing this. It’s what I would call oem+ I just upgraded the feel of the steering wheel by replacing the stick fake leather to Alcantara.
road n scenery looks great!
Not a fan of the GT86/BRZ/FR-S, but I understand why others like it. For me, between these two...SW20 all-day everyday.
If I were looking for a BRZ type car I'd just get an S2000 which is hell of a lot nicer/cooler.
@@MuffinMan0521 Not to mention an S2000 is actually fast
@@CrayonsYummyYummy Lol, in what world is a stock S2000 considered fast nowadays? Don't get me wrong, it's a nice platform to modify and it has potential to be a great track weapon, but 240bhp isn't exactly a lot to deal with if you want to go fast in a straight line. Not to mention it's stock Torsen diff can snap under hard launches stupidly easy. It's only got 40bhp more than an GT86, and that hp number has already been reached with the FA20 boxer with bolt ons.
@@wajalama Fast compared to an 86/BRZ was what i was trying to say. I know they're no crazy fast haha. Just sayin, my buddy owns a stock AP2 and easily chops 86's.
@@MuffinMan0521 and better lol
Where can I get that steering wheel in the brz..?
Did the owner wrap the steering wheel himself or is that an aftermarket wheel ?
Not A Weeb I took it to a buddy. Sweidit out of Burbank California
Yes a battle to get behind
Always wanted a 91 MR2 since the early 00's.
Yesss I've been looking for someone to do a video on the new HKS turbo kit for the 86/BRZ
do L61 Ecotec that's the Cobalt SS Engine
Was that dude hittin the twisties in his backhoe😀
PoBs
so its legal to drive RHD in america?
U have a video of your mr2 mods?
Turbo BRZ‼️
when are we getting a 4B11T tag?
MR2 all day 3sgte !!!
this channel is so underrated...
Have had aw11 20v, sc, sw20 gen4. Really like gt86 platform offering similar raw light weight driving experience with benefit of back seat and trunk. Wish they skipped supra and made new mr2.
13:55 as the owner of an mr2 with a broken temp gauge: this is true, luckily it never happened lol.
On the other hand I am lucky enough to have one without power steering.
Looks good in yellow
3sgte swap a brz? XD. i love them both. all around brz but powertrain wise mr2
86 all the way but you cant go wrong with either. People complaining about power but force induction easily solves that.
as a turbo 86 owner, going boost isn’t so easy, seen multiple friends give up mid way and sell their 86 and it took me half a year from install to being fully tuned
Drove an MR2 Sw20 daily for 12 years and no disrespect to the commentator of this video but you do a lot of unnecessary shifting. I know the MR2 usually does demand more shifting than most manuals but you shift up, only to immediately down shift before you can even be in the gear for 2 sec (literally) and then immedialey shift up again. You can easily stick in 3rd fir the majority of what you're doing in the mountain pass while controling the turbo spooling.
Just ride the gear or trail off the throttle as needed, (the MR2 will very much take it) and your clutch, shifter linkage, transmission, and fuel tank will thank you.
What?!... since when was/ is the turbo mr2 2,800 lbs?? That car was like 2,5XX in the 90s. Where did the 200 to 300 lbs come from?
Mk1 was about 2400-2500
@@alexdansby more like 2,2XX to 2,4XX lbs
Okay, I was wrong. I've seen fully loaded SW20s pushing 3k lbs.
You should 3gste gen4/5 swap your mr2 and do a video on how it feels with a more modern engine
manuel luz
Weak bottom ends. The 3rd gen was the pinnacle. Specifically the WRC spec GT4 setup. Stock water/meth injection, anti-lag and an agressive tune.
Thats my dream car right now. 2017 Brz Series.Yellow
Was this filmed in BC?
California! We're back in BC now, though.
When are you gona start doing exterior mods to the mr2?
Haha it's perfect the way it is. No need for a body kit or big wing, the SW20 has a timeless design that need not be messed with just for IG photos xD That being said, I had 17 inch flush wheels and coilovers before in previous videos, in case you missed those!
Roads Untraveled
Thank God - please don’t. Mine is 100% stock exterior except the rims and exhaust and people stare every day.
MR2 is better for the rarity factor, but I love the look and sounds of the BRZ. Personally I would consider buying a FRS/BRZ in the future, but then again I could buy something faster that's still fun....
fuck i love seeing this man drive his mr 2. he has the best lookoing mr 2 ive ever seen
what spring for brz?
Mobile San ST Suspension coils and sways
@@punisherzly88 Thanks for sharing! Liked your video
Love the mr2 just like I love the ever so hated fiero I own haha. Thanks now I need to go for a rip today lol. The new cars are all the same and millions of em on the road atleast ours are unique in their own way.
actually the DCT is quicker in the corners than a strange line......so??
Not really true. Most cars that offer a a manual and dct, the track times are always done in the manual. For example gti clubsport second fastest fwd track car. All lap time records were done with a 6mt and not the dsg.
Rather get the Mr2 since you can get about 4 of them for the price of one brz
2.5 lol
Now they’re more expensive than a BRZ lmao
'Why do you want electric power steering over hydraulic?' The MR2 has electric power steering which only operates at low speed the only other option the MR2 had was no power steering on some models of the rev 1's.
The SW20 has an electric pump that powers a hydraulic steering system. (because a standard belt-driven pump at the engine would require a LOT more hydraulic lines all the way to the front of the vehicle.
@@RoadsUntraveled yep so not true hydraulic and it switches off above 30mph, I also had 2 mr2's here in UK one was rev1 no power steering with 3sfe engine simply known as MR2 coupe and much more focused or quicker steering the one I really miss, the other was a rev2 GT from Japan weirdly the GT from Japan is the top spec with leather and alcantara seats and trimming the GTS is one below otherwise no other difference with them I think and the GTS is slightly lighter but barely. Either way I miss them both especially the coupe weirdly.
this channel proves how fucking solid that mr2 engine is.
Mr2 vs 2zzmrs next? 😊
It’s funny when he said about the stopping power.. bro that bro have brembo! Hello smh
Enjoyed the video, yet disagree with your last comments. Owned both cars, the MR2 and BRZ/86 are not similar in the slightest! To state the obvious, one has the engine in the front snd the other one over the rear axel. As you stated also, one has traction control, the other has not. One is more tail happy than the other, that being the MR2. The MR2 is a different animal altogether than the BRZ/86. I prefer the new car, more refinement and safer!
But your MR2 will be the next Supra in terms of desirability....
Ehh... their time has passed as far as desirability. I mean the car is old, older than the desirable Supras.
@@iluvcakes19 Lol they are going up in price now
@@fabigr Yupp glad I bought mine before the huge tax 😂
Love my mr2 v6 so much more than my FRS
and i think the sw20 has a blend of electric and hydraulic power steering
Shadow1986
Commonly but there were options.
Is the BRZ catless? The torque dip is eliminated in my FRS with catless headers and a tune.
Great video, though
I've heard that too. Some tunes can eliminate that torque dip....
@@AustinMBecker I confirm that lol. It actually makes power where the dip otherwise existed
That MR2 is a beast
Next, compare a S15 Spec-R to this BRZ please!
S15 all the way, not even a comparsion :)
Most 86 turbokits have 0 torque dip unless it's a California catted type version.
Mowflex The SubNegro the Hks gt3 kit does have a bit of dip then a surprise of boost at the top. Greedys Kit is more liner. I love the surprise of the Hks keeps the fun going😎
@@punisherzly88 yeah my car has the SBD kit on 93 octane and 11.5psi. Zero torque dip. Matter of fact that dip at 3500 now has 90wtq extra just at that point and 120 wtq extra for at peak torque of 251wtq.
Marcus, damn no need to scream all the time!!
Talking about suspension geometry without mentioning the type??? Dude... c'mon
Mr2 takes more driver skill at the limit than the gt86 platform. But can't go wrong with either.
if you playing music at the beach you're missing the point - Some old guy i was smoking with and listening to music with on the beach
Mulholland?
If you want to drift an MR2 just put a 10 mm tire stagger like Dan Gurney approved of when he tested the car
If I see one more damn Kove speaker sponsorsed ad......
the staged ad hurt my brain but the video itself was great
or 22RE
dang man, "no family" that's sad as hell. Lmao get what you meant though