@@mfc8778 no I'd say that it's just other leagues are becoming better so you see more diversity in where prospects are developing. It's still 1. CHL 2. NCAA 3. SHL 4. Liiga 5. KHL/MVL or MHL I forgot 6. Other leagues
I dont believe so because for decades the Canadians were dominating, however now the other countries are catching up so there's obviously gonna have more diversity in the draft
I know Veleno's stats don't look great, but he's going to be a solid player. He was really turning it on in the AHL creating lots of chances and making great plays on both sides of the ice. Generational player? Absolutely not, but he's not one to sleep on. Detroit got a steal with him at 30.
@@bfabb7168 Completely agree with that! It's also nice to have some sliver on hope in the Red Wings world at the moment. I know things are going to be turning around, but man was it a rough go
Gotta remember when Datsyuk was taken by the Wings no one thought he was generational either. And he ended up being the best player in the world/NHL for about a decade. Proper development and deployment by a franchise is more important than numbers put up in junior leagues. Datsyuk wouldn't be a generational talent had he not played with Hull, or learned from Larionov/Bowmen.
The only reason he was granted the generational status is because he was threatening to go play in the NCAA and the QMJHL didn't want to loose out on him.
well, a regression could also mean drawing a line as close to every point in the graph as possible, which would be slanted down and actually be called a negative regression
Sean Day only got exceptional status because the OHL didn’t want to lose him to the USHL. And even though he didn’t pan out, he was the face of a dying franchise for years in Misssissauga, so the OHL probably still saw him as a net positive for the league, even if he cheapened the meaning of exceptional status.
I have heard from a reputable source within the OHL, that there were some 'Life Events' that may have changed Day's dedication to hockey. I can't confirm this is 100% true, but the legend goes; Day was very close with his older brother, who got in some serious legal trouble back home in Detroit and Day's focus became supporting his brother. Day spent as much time back home in Detroit with his family as he could, but the travel from Toronto to Detroit became too much to handle, which is why he eventually got traded to Windsor. There were no shortage of potential landing spots (and potentially better offers) for him (Kitchener, London, Sarnia) but Day would allegedly only approve a trade to the Spitfires I wouldn't be surprised that the pressure of living up to the 'Exceptional' Status was a lot to handle but when you mix the usual challenges a junior hockey player faces (New home, new family, new expectations ect.) and add the Exceptional tag and some serious disruption to his family. I get why Hockey may have lost a little flame in his eyes. Sean Day was a fun player to watch in the OHL, I hope he can still put it together and make the show.
@@leebrien21 played hockey with sean's older brother when he was with a travel team in Rochester. Good times, havent talked to the Day family in a second but I hope things are going well
Wouldn't say CHL is dying but much more Europeans and especially Americans are getting drafted today compared to past and Americans more often end up going in the NCAA route
Connor Mcteer why are you getting so mad? Chill out just trying to have discourse. To disprove your point completely talent players come from everywhere that’s not a question. But to say hockey is dying in Canada and the USA has to be the single dumbest thing u have ever heard. In the past 3 years the nhl has added 2 new teams from the USA to the nhl (Seattle coming in 2021 and Vegas) so just stop. To add to that the best Swedish hockey player is Nicholas backstrom, a guy who could possible make the hall one day. Finland’s best is Laine probably superstar. Russia is ovi no question there. Go to Canada and the USA now Joe Thornton,Ryan getzlaf,Sidney Crosby,Connor Mcdavid, Steven Stamkos,Cladue Giroux, Taylor Hall, Justin Williams,Eric Stall, and of course Nathan mackinonn. Now that’s Canada let’s move on to the USA Patrick Kane, phill Kessel, Joe palveski, Zach Parsie, Blake wheeler. Most of these guys are superstars. also when disagreeing with someone it isn’t best to question there knowledge on the topic. Trust me I know hockey, probably more then you do and you had no reason to bring it up at all. Moral of the day hockey isn’t dying In the USA and Canada and USA draftees will stay steadily. Also like to point out the fact how many European players fucking bomb or just play in KHL for there careers
Connor Mcteer there’s only 50 Russians playing in the league right now. How many new rising American superstars are there? Quinn Hughes, Auston Matthews, Jack Eichel just to name a few since 2015. The fact that only recently can a player go directly from the USHL in his draft year to the first round in the draft and now directly to the NHL itself. Scandinavia has gotten better at producing talent but all their tops picks are playing in their top league, not their junior league. The US is and will be more of a hockey powerhouse than Sweden Finland and Russia hands down. Nice to know you can already tell 2019 wasn’t a very good draft lmao and you say I don’t know what I’m talking about. It legit happened less than a year ago we won’t know definitively where it stands for a few years. And if it was such a bad draft why weren’t there more Swedes Russians and Finns in the first round to further showcase that exponential curve?
I met him in real life, such a nice guy too! He talked about being excited to play on the same team with players like Filip Zadina. He also talked about being really excited to join the league.
Veleno is gonna live up to the hype. I might be biased because he went to my high school and was on my bus and we would always talk hockey together. He’s extremely humble and takes everything super serious. He’s gonna make all the teams that passed on him to regret not taking him
Shane Wright has the skill-set, all around game and most importantly the maturity to be a generational player. He will be drafted 1st overall in the 2022 NHL Draft and will be the youngest captain in team history for whichever team that drafts him. The CHL is still producing some of the most elite prospects in the world.
Rob, you hit it on the head in the opening, more guys take that college route. Connor McDavid said he almost played at BU because of how tempting it was to play with Eichel.
@@cromagnoneightyseven6951 I'll say this, he got a lot of points taking off his draft status simply because he isn't that strong of a skater. While Tavares wasnt a particularly great skater in his draft year, there wasnt nearly as much emphasis as now. I think Veleno could be very Ryan O'Reilly like in his career with potentially more offensive upside
Got to make a new video. Shortly after this video was uploaded Connor Bedard was granted player exception status for the Regina Pats of the WHL. I had the luxury of watching this kid play from grades 5 & up. When he was in grade 7 he was playing scrimmages with the North Shore AAA Midget hockey team and with his size and speed he didn't seem out of place. North Shore / North Vancouver are well known for their success with hockey at the youth level nationally from Atom - Juvenile. In 2017-18 as a 7th grader (peewee) was promoted to the bantam AA team and in his 3 GP he had tallied 8 points and was promoted to the Bantam AAA team and piled 59G 46A in 41 games played, helped the North Shore win their conference and league helping them to the provincial championships where the coaches named him the A as an assistant captain and led all forwards in the provincials in ice time and ultimately ended 4th in points and 2nd in goals provincially as a 7th grader. In 2018-19 Connor Bedard as a 8th grader Connor Bedard got invited to go the the West Van A1 Academy Prep (Bantams) and played a grand total of 2 games recording 5 points before being promoted to the U16 team where he put up 64 G 24 A 88pts in just 30 games played before being promoted to the seniors U18 team where he then put up a staggering 43 G 41 A in 36 GP with the seniors helping them win their league and going to the provincial championship finals. This past season as a 9th grader he dominanted the Major Midget Elite Hockey level in B.C. And was the teams best player in winning the provincial championship, carried his team to the nationals semi finals and then later was named to the 1st team Canada Cup all-star game. The dude plays like a man already. Looking forward to you making another video adding him to the list. I can guarantee you'll hear the name Connor Bedard for years to come.
Only watching your intro .. I can tell you for a fact ... the NCAA and other international programs have the ability and the cash flow to support hockey development . This will give rise to competition within those programs to recruit and scout top talent while providing a long growth period for six player.. the old system will eventually die out
CHL Exceptional Status Players is the Sidney Crosby Rule. Previous rule was any player that was classified as Exceptional was only allowed to play for his local Regional team. In Sidney Crosby case this would have been the Halifax Moose heads. Basically the Sydney was so good that the other teams rejected the rule and blocked Sidney from playing with Halifax as he would have played two season with Halifax before being drafted by another team. This was also due to the fact that Halifax host the National finals the Memorial Cup in 2000. In which they already had a stacked team and could have had an 14 yr old Sidney Crosby in the line-up if not blocked by the other team. While Halifax lost the National finals I am sure it could have been different if Crosby was allowed to play. Instead he was forced to play in NSMMHL since he was also banned from playing in the local Junior A league with Truro Bearcats other then two game emergency call up basis (loophole) and wouldn't be allowed to play Junior A for the same reason why he wasn't allowed in the CHL. This force Crosby to look at either playing Pro in Europe as an 15 yr old or head to Shattuck St. Mary's Midget Prep for a season before coming back to the CHL as an 16 yr old. The rest is history. CHL Exceptional Status Players replace the old rules, which a player must apply and be granted access to the league and be made available to all teams rather then the old rule were a player if under the age of 16 was allowed to play with local team only and the team applied for the exceptional status for the player. In short Crosby never applied for CHL Exceptional Status Players and was never denied but created the current rules since all the teams in the QMJHL didn't want to be embarrassed by Crosby and an already stacked Halifax team.
Since Tavares left the Islanders, the team has made it to the eastern conference both in 2020 and 2021 only losing to the champs of both years in 6 games (2020) and 7 games (2021). In 2019, they also made it to the second round (but were swept by Carolina).
I still find it crazy that I've got to know Shane Wright at a hockey program a couple years back and seeing him play is crazy but actually being on the ice with him is a totally different experience!
Bobby Orr was only 12 years old when he was scouted by the Boston Bruins, and 14 when he signed to play with the Bruin's 'farm' team the Oshawa Generals in the OHL.
Tavares: SOLID player, still not sure about 'exceptional' in NHL career, though. Ekblad: gets kudos for being a D-man, SOLID player, not sure about exceptional in NHL, though. McDavid: YES. YES YES YES. Absolutely. Day: Honestly, I feel bad for him, because some players just don't want the constant pressure & expectations. Veleno: never even herd of him. Doubt he'll end up as anything close to a McDavid or Ekblad. Wright: Seems like a solid player & only time will tell as to how he performs in the NHL. Good video, Rob!
Rob I played against Shane wright through minor hockey. That kid is a very good player and I hope it works out. And he is not captain he is an assistant
Awesome! And I am aware, when I said he is a captain, an assistant captain is still a captain. If I said “the captain” it would mean he was wearing the C
Why aren't you still playing high level(Yes i EP searched you)? LNAH? LHSAAAQ? Not trying to tell you what to do but I played 1/4 season of Jr. C and I'm still trying to play. Even a "bad" Jr. A player should be able to find somewhere willing to sign him. I'm just curious about going from Jr. A to not playing at all
knew Sean Day would be on here. watched him live at the U17's when he was 16 years old. He stood out so much, super smooth skater and looked super calm out there i remember him more than auston matthews in that tournament which is silly
I don't think the CHL is dying, I believe with the growth of the nhl world wide, there are other programs that have taken it upon themselves to increase their hockey programs. Also with the route to the NHL being more accessible to European players and the focus on training in the other divisions, I believe that you will see the a flattening of the curve. More Europeans and Americans will be drafted. As much as it pains me to say this, (as i am Canadian) but i don't think that Hockey is " Canada's Game" any more. I think it is more of a world game. We have an unprecedented amount of European players in the league right now and i am thankful for that. Hockey has changed over the years, but i love the speed of the game, but oh how miss the old style some days.
In 2022 and 2023 there is way to much insane talent coming in both of those years that teams that finish off in a top 4 or 6 among worst is almost guaranteed a top 6 to franchise player . I dont think i ever saw a back to back year/s that have that amount of top end talent . Very exciting times in deed . just to give you and example ? check it . you will have Brad Lambert , Ivan Miroshnichenko , Matvey Michkov , Connor Bedard , Shane Wright , Isaac Howard, and Matthew Savoie .
I remember playing in the peewee tourni Quebec and all of us had pins we would trade. Sean day had his own unique pin that was huge and every kid wanted it. Fun times
I’m old , seen all the greats , love hockey , you can see the money is in the nhl , we all knew the world would come and so it did . Seen so many great games in different rinks . Both forum,s in Montreal maple leaf gardens , Olympia in Detroit and the joe . Madison square . Bring on the kraken .
i don't think the CHL is dying, but it's more like players from more countries are getting looked at- players from Russia, Sweden, Finland, and other, smaller European countries are actually getting scouted to get drafted. i think it has a lot to do with somewhat less xenophobia- like European players are no longer seen as "soft" and not dedicated to the game enough. on top of that, there are countries whose men's hockey programs are finally catching up to that of Canada's, so top tier talent isn't just coming from Canada anymore. there's also, of course, the NCAA, which notable players have chosen over CHL. and it's not just American hockey players choosing the college route anymore, there are Canadians who choose to play in the NCAA, as well.
Canada doesn’t necessarily have the best hockey program for boys and girls, that’s arrogant. Canada has the best infrastructure. The most arenas and the most players. My son grew up in the Toronto area, played OHL, AHL, NHL, KHL, etc. Today the best youth hockey programs are in Finland, Sweden, Russia, the U.S. and then Canada. Yes most drafted players are Canadian, but in terms of development it’s arrogant to dismiss Division 1
@@moelester8486for his first 2 years of juniors his family or whomever they trusted put people around him he more or less just stroked his ego(he was a kid so ego maybe the wrong word) and told him the problems were not his but how the team was using him. When he moved to the spit fires these people where no longer able to get into the arena and anywhere near the team and Day's development actually started. But sounds like controlling his weight is still a problem
@@jtshark8815 Thanks for sharing, I watched some of his junior highlight after that and he wasn't bad by any mean, but he was far from having a McDavid type potential. If he didn't got overhyped by people around him he could have been a decent offensive defensemen.
Hey, Rob, I was just wondering to see if you’d do an NHL21 wishlist. I don’t know if you’ve done it yet. But if you haven’t, it’d be interesting to see what you’d put. But if you don’t play the games, it’s fine. Keep up the work and stay safe!
One thing that haven't been taken to account so much here is that the scouting has been increasing exponentially specially in Europe. Financially strong countries like German and Switzerland are on the rise. Finland and Sweden are producing like never before. Specially when you compare to the population of apr. 15mil. combined. Russia is producing still but now a days more and more young players are staying back home in KHL instead of going over seas. But all and all CHL ain't dying. Just more options for players. Swedish and finish top leagues have chosen to be development leagues with chances for youngsters to play adult games early in their careers. Slovaks dropped rough after Demitra and Satan generation. But showing signs of better to come. Czechia is on the rise again. The game of hockey is winning!!! NA don't have to worry! Most star players will still come from there due to amount of players and money put in to the sport from kid to NHLer.
Shanw wright was good enough that everyone on his line got drafted ahead of some way better players because they played with him. Kid is certifiably cracked
Most hockey leagues in Canada do well but some parts of the world are definitely are catching up. Competition is good for the sport. In the states hockey is very regional and lower leagues are not supported across the board. But I have not idea what I am saying. Just a zam driver here missing hockey.
Definitely. And as hockey programs get better around the world, it generates more hockey fans. And for a sport dominated by Canadian fan bases, that is awesome
Hockey overall has gotten so much better. If you watch the old CCCP vs Canada games in my opinion the Russians were far superior with skating and passing but we were better with the rough stuff. We learnt from them and they learnt from us. Hockey is so much more highly skilled yet style has some decent physicality.
should add that shane wright also played on a brutally bad kingston team, he was literally carrying us. really looking forward to watching him live before he gets drafted
Tavares is a future hall of famer, hard to say he wasn't a generational talent given the fact (as you noted) that he played on a brutal Islanders team for so long.
Panarin was about to break 100 points this season while having Ryan Strome and Jesper Fast as his linemates pretty much all season. Note to add to this point he was the best 5v5 point getter in the league. This whole Tavares could have had better totals with better line mates is BS. Elite players don't need other good players to inflate their point totals.
That's the argument I'm always trying to make. Look at Tarasenko as another example. He has the 3rd-most goals in the league over the past five seasons and the 3rd-most in the playoffs since entering the league, but the centers he's played with are Sobotka, Backes, Lehtera, and Schenn. Schenn is great, but I wouldn't call the others game-changers. If anything, Tarasenko's injuries are what has held him back.
McDavid made Yakupov a ppg player, and Maroon got nearly 30 goals with him. He has 3rd/4th line players put up good points with him. Josh Archibald anyone?
As a Jt fan you're not wrong but he did make his linemates better when he played for the islanders like Moulson, Okposo, Parenteau and even Josh Bailey to name a few.
I have Kingston Frontenacs seasons tickets and I can tell you that Shane Wright is the next McDavid. His hockey sense is outstanding and he has ridiculous shot accuracy and speed!
the exception isn't something they use to say "hes gonna be the next gretzky" just something they use when younger players are ready to play with the older talent. I think in the early days it was meant to be used for the Tavares, McDavid, Crosby types but over time (whether that's because the CHL has learned more ppl buy tickets when they have an exception or if its a wealthy family can pressure the CHL to grant one). for the NY ranger kid who showed up at 250+ lbs, I don't think being an exceptional player hurt him. that's what happens in life. people mature at different stages, some don't start playing hockey as young, some meet a great coach or mentor along the way and so on. im sure everyones played with kids who were unreal at age 8-12 but by the time you go to high school, you were much better than they were.
Players from other counties no longer have to come to the CHL to get noticed/drafted. They have options back home. That's why it's dropping. You say place like Finland and Russia have increased their drafted players but did they? Or did those players just used to get drafted as CHL players and now they don't?
I think Veleno will end up being a 2nd/3rd line center but I also think he could end up being the captain one day. He's a great on-ice leader which is something the Red Wings don't really have right now.
I wouldn't say the CHL is dying, it's still turning out awesome prospects and will continue to be one of the top junior leagues that the NHL drafts from. In my opinion, it has more to do with the opening of Russia to the world over the past 20 years and the establishment of European forwards/defenseman such as Ovechkin, Malkin, Dahlin, etc. You have to remember, there were not a lot of Soviet born players playing in the NHL in the 1990s, of course there was Mogilny, Fedorov, Larionov, Konstantinov, etc. but there was not the influx of players from the Soviet hockey program, all these guys had to defect just to play in the NHL. It's not that the CHL dying, it's that there are more prospects coming out of Europe than ever before. I think what really needs to be questioned is the US Development Program, and how players coming out of the USDP tend to have more success in the NHL after playing a year of minor hockey; look at the examples of Auston Matthews and Jack Eichel, which will be interesting to see how Cole Caufield will turn out as a player since he is going the US college route instead of going straight into the NHL.
Only McDavid has truly lived up to the hype. Ekblad isn’t that #1 dman. Tavares is a solid number 1 centre but isn’t dominant. Veleno won’t be more than a middle 6 guy. And Sean day lmao.
Veleno was drafted into an already strong Saint John Sea Dogs team. So even though he had exceptional status. There were loads of guys filling the top 2 line roles. Its Not that his development wasnt great, it's just he was limited on icetime. The man then went to drummingvill to become a stud for their playoff run. To tip it off The only reason he is playing in the AHL is because he has to enter the Mens league a year yearly because of the exceptional status he was granted from the Q ! He will tear it up, when Detroit calls apon him !
Would you count Bobby Orr as a player that would be given exceptional status? Joining the Oshawa generals at 14 and was an all star three of his four years there. The OHL is for players between ages 16-21 so by him being an OHL all star at 15 should that automatically put him on this list? At the time they were technically the OHA which is why I’m asking the question.
So is "exceptional status" only for Canadians? How then can U.S. players play at 15? Shane Prince played at 15 for Kitchener (He's from my hometown in Rochester, NY).
I don't think the CHL is dying, it's just like you said the NCAA and other European leagues are producing really great tallent like Ovechkin. Mcdonald and many others.
Tavares best season w Trashlanders: 86pts Tavares best season w Toronto: 88 pts Difference? He joined a playoff team - but still cant help them get past round 2.. he is not elite. Such a shame for Leaf fans. Guy is amazing (im a rangers fan but i wont put JT down bc hes talented af) but he should have come in and made that team top contenders with the amazing talent he has around him.. either way, it was a better move to leave NYI cause he was never winning a cup there anyway 😂
The CHL's status is fine. The combination of CHL, college, and other locations is exactly the model of a system all sports should follow. It's a joke that the only reasonable way to get into football is to go to college. Many players aren't meant to be college students, and it's a cruel setup for those guys. I don't care if they get their college paid for - that should be for the players who want both worlds. You've got college basketball's silly "one and done" rule, and then the "three years" for football. The alternate, non-academic path is absolutely the solution we need.
Jason Spezza? Rico Fata? The rule wording was different but it was still an exception to play as a 15 year old. Only allowed if it was for your home town team. Should be included here.
The CHL is not dying. It's just that most Americans (and some Canadians) are going the NCAA route. Tavares would have been so much better had he not been drafted by the Islanders. He single handedly lifted that Franchise out of the dumps (literally) at Nassau Coliseum to the point now where they can hire an A-List head coach (Trotz) and have successful seasons year after year. That would not have happened without Tavares dragging the horrible islanders out of the basement Veleno is not a caliber of a player that is represented in an exceptional player. Never showed the elite ability, and to me projects as a top 6 winger with good IQ
I don’t think you necessarily have to become an NHL hall of fame talent just because you got exceptional status. The rule is in place for players Hockey Canada think have nothing to learn in their age group. I think dubbing every exceptional status player as a generational player is unfair. You’re taking a 15 year old and placing hall of fame expectations on him. Making the NHL alone means you’re an exceptional player and a world class talent, so I think becoming an NHL regular should be the bar for exceptional status players, not necessarily the next Crosby.
John Tavares: Helped the Islanders to the second round in 2016, then went to Toronto in the 2018 off season, and fans RIOTED about it, and they still won't shut up about it. -Leafs fan.
I agree ntm the fact that they say "we dont need you" when the islanders might have moved without him because of the rangers just being ten times better (this is all hindsight of what wouldve happened so dont go crying about how this wouldnt have happened I'm not saying it would have I'm saying it might have)
The USHL/NCAA route is received more attention from scouts due to their different rules. NHL teams are allowed to wait longer to sign players from these american leagues, whereas a CHL player must be signed within a couple seasons or they lose the rights. Within the CHL, though, there are still problems. There are too many teams missing playoffs in the WHL, there isnt enough parity within the OHL, and too many imports are taking up slots from canadian players(esp goaltending) throughout the league. Finnish leagues in particular have become stronger, but the CHL also develops some of their top players for them. The CHL and shitty hockey canada have become complacent at the top, and don’t show signs of adjusting to the NCAA inside track with scouts, or upcoming competition from other leagues.
Did we forget veleno played for Saint John for them begins ! Showed a team he barely played for ! Also I watched him play his a smart player and has vary high hockey iq his gunna be awesome
Canadian parents and families simply cannot afford for their sons to play hockey anymore. A very small percentage of Canadian young men actually play competitive hockey. Of course that affects the draft pool and it’s reflected in professional hockey.
the hype must really get to them..i think a smart thing for them to do in not pay attention in the media about themselves n just focus on training n playing hockey..when they have a bad game it must have a domino effect on them n eventually they lose a little bit of interest in the game or the desire to get better cuz they didnt dominate the league as expected...thats just imo..chl will always produce great players n ya leagues ard the world r gettin better in training and conditioning n players n co aches can look up online for every aspect of the game and how to get better..theres my novel for u rob..lol have a good day
Yep I 100% agree. Especially for players like McDavid and Crosby, who had a lot of mental abuse because of pressure. So when players like this succeed, it goes much deeper than stats
I think there will surely be some regret for teams passing Veleno. I don't think he will be Tavares level player ever but I like his game and I trust that he will develop into a solid 2nd line center who can jump in 1st, play a scoring role and who knows, maybe even cement that 1st line center position. He was drafted so late that I'm almost 100% positive there will be a bust and some other disappointments in the draft class and for sure Veleno will make some GM wish for a time machine.
Tavares is crazy good. Look at his point production with the Isles, and then he plays one season with the Leafs and breaks his points AND goal totals from his entire career. He belongs in Toronto, and he understandably left New York
It’s obvious the CHL is the best league to come from I live in the city of Kingston and the prospects I have seen play here are way better then the ones over seas I’m not saying are league is always better but most of the time it is, it’s why some players come over here in the import draft even after being drafted in the nhl
I'll defend Sean Day, here. Still a really young guy with huge potential. A lot of people put the ECHL on the backburner, and that's pretty unfair, to say the least. Numbers are deceiving for him at the pro level, as his time in the ECHL last year propelled his game to a different level when he was recalled back to Hartford, and confidence started showing through. This year, despite having spent a good chunk of time in the E, his game has become more well-rounded, and he's developing into a very solid two-way defenseman. Still possesses a high-caliber natural skating ability, and has offensive tools too. The Rangers are stacked on defense, and Day might not be the best suit for them currently, but I'd be hard pressed to believe that with Day's mentality and skill, he won't someday don an NHL sweater - whether that is a Rangers sweater or not. People develop at different rates, but we're seeing a lot more positives than negatives in his development. Don't write him off just yet.
Is the CHL dying..?
not really its just that other country (european) are just better to develop talent.. love the vids
Rob Talks Hockey nah lmao
@@mfc8778 no I'd say that it's just other leagues are becoming better so you see more diversity in where prospects are developing.
It's still 1. CHL
2. NCAA
3. SHL
4. Liiga
5. KHL/MVL or MHL I forgot
6. Other leagues
I dont believe so because for decades the Canadians were dominating, however now the other countries are catching up so there's obviously gonna have more diversity in the draft
Keir Patrick KHL produces very good players, they just take a while to get in the NHL
The CHL isn’t dying, the game of hockey is just growing so more international players are coming.
Michael Cestnick nailed it.
ya he said that in like the first sentence of the video..
No
Terry McAllister na he questioned whether the game was growing OR if the chl was dying
Facts
I know Veleno's stats don't look great, but he's going to be a solid player. He was really turning it on in the AHL creating lots of chances and making great plays on both sides of the ice. Generational player? Absolutely not, but he's not one to sleep on. Detroit got a steal with him at 30.
Yep I agree!
Personally I think he’s going to be one of the best second line centers in the league. Just give it a few years lafreniere would help a lot.
@@bfabb7168 Completely agree with that! It's also nice to have some sliver on hope in the Red Wings world at the moment. I know things are going to be turning around, but man was it a rough go
Gotta remember when Datsyuk was taken by the Wings no one thought he was generational either. And he ended up being the best player in the world/NHL for about a decade. Proper development and deployment by a franchise is more important than numbers put up in junior leagues. Datsyuk wouldn't be a generational talent had he not played with Hull, or learned from Larionov/Bowmen.
The only reason he was granted the generational status is because he was threatening to go play in the NCAA and the QMJHL didn't want to loose out on him.
He completely did not mention Veleno’s 104 point MVP finalist season right after the draft behind Lafreniere.
Did he do it partly though?
Isn't negative regression a double negative making it a positive?
That is correct aha. Good catch
well, a regression could also mean drawing a line as close to every point in the graph as possible, which would be slanted down and actually be called a negative regression
The fact that four out of the top five draft eligible players are CHL players this year would probably say it’s doing alright
Sean Day only got exceptional status because the OHL didn’t want to lose him to the USHL. And even though he didn’t pan out, he was the face of a dying franchise for years in Misssissauga, so the OHL probably still saw him as a net positive for the league, even if he cheapened the meaning of exceptional status.
Definitely a major factor! The CHL has been paranoid since Crosby went to Shattucks.
BrokenByChange if he worked on his defensive abilities he could’ve been great
I have heard from a reputable source within the OHL, that there were some 'Life Events' that may have changed Day's dedication to hockey.
I can't confirm this is 100% true, but the legend goes; Day was very close with his older brother, who got in some serious legal trouble back home in Detroit and Day's focus became supporting his brother. Day spent as much time back home in Detroit with his family as he could, but the travel from Toronto to Detroit became too much to handle, which is why he eventually got traded to Windsor. There were no shortage of potential landing spots (and potentially better offers) for him (Kitchener, London, Sarnia) but Day would allegedly only approve a trade to the Spitfires
I wouldn't be surprised that the pressure of living up to the 'Exceptional' Status was a lot to handle but when you mix the usual challenges a junior hockey player faces (New home, new family, new expectations ect.) and add the Exceptional tag and some serious disruption to his family. I get why Hockey may have lost a little flame in his eyes.
Sean Day was a fun player to watch in the OHL, I hope he can still put it together and make the show.
@@leebrien21 Solid contribution. Thanks! :)
@@leebrien21 played hockey with sean's older brother when he was with a travel team in Rochester. Good times, havent talked to the Day family in a second but I hope things are going well
Wouldn't say CHL is dying but much more Europeans and especially Americans are getting drafted today compared to past and Americans more often end up going in the NCAA route
Yep we are even seeing more players in the BCHL and AJHL go to the NCAA
Connor Mcteer how can you say that given the NTDP’s success in the 2019 draft?
Connor Mcteer that’s the dumbest thing I ever heard compared to 2019 draft
Connor Mcteer why are you getting so mad? Chill out just trying to have discourse. To disprove your point completely talent players come from everywhere that’s not a question. But to say hockey is dying in Canada and the USA has to be the single dumbest thing u have ever heard. In the past 3 years the nhl has added 2 new teams from the USA to the nhl (Seattle coming in 2021 and Vegas) so just stop. To add to that the best Swedish hockey player is Nicholas backstrom, a guy who could possible make the hall one day. Finland’s best is Laine probably superstar. Russia is ovi no question there. Go to Canada and the USA now Joe Thornton,Ryan getzlaf,Sidney Crosby,Connor Mcdavid, Steven Stamkos,Cladue Giroux, Taylor Hall, Justin Williams,Eric Stall, and of course Nathan mackinonn. Now that’s Canada let’s move on to the USA Patrick Kane, phill Kessel, Joe palveski, Zach Parsie, Blake wheeler. Most of these guys are superstars. also when disagreeing with someone it isn’t best to question there knowledge on the topic. Trust me I know hockey, probably more then you do and you had no reason to bring it up at all. Moral of the day hockey isn’t dying In the USA and Canada and USA draftees will stay steadily. Also like to point out the fact how many European players fucking bomb or just play in KHL for there careers
Connor Mcteer there’s only 50 Russians playing in the league right now. How many new rising American superstars are there? Quinn Hughes, Auston Matthews, Jack Eichel just to name a few since 2015. The fact that only recently can a player go directly from the USHL in his draft year to the first round in the draft and now directly to the NHL itself. Scandinavia has gotten better at producing talent but all their tops picks are playing in their top league, not their junior league. The US is and will be more of a hockey powerhouse than Sweden Finland and Russia hands down. Nice to know you can already tell 2019 wasn’t a very good draft lmao and you say I don’t know what I’m talking about. It legit happened less than a year ago we won’t know definitively where it stands for a few years. And if it was such a bad draft why weren’t there more Swedes Russians and Finns in the first round to further showcase that exponential curve?
Everyone is sleeping on Veleno.
I agree, he's very good. Won't set the world on fire right away in the NHL, but he'll be damn good.
I expect him to be around a 50-60 point second line center in the NHL
He was a steal for us redwings.
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I was so pissed when the Wild didn’t take him or Wilde and took fuckin Johnsson who was suppose to be 3rd round or less..
I met him in real life, such a nice guy too! He talked about being excited to play on the same team with players like Filip Zadina. He also talked about being really excited to join the league.
Veleno is gonna live up to the hype. I might be biased because he went to my high school and was on my bus and we would always talk hockey together. He’s extremely humble and takes everything super serious. He’s gonna make all the teams that passed on him to regret not taking him
I don't think "nail in the coffin" means what you think it means 5:07
soundescapeMN ya this guy isn’t good at talking
😂 good catch
I think he meant sealed the deal
Nekoback yes and that's not what "the last nail in the coffin " means
Corner gas
Shane Wright has the skill-set, all around game and most importantly the maturity to be a generational player.
He will be drafted 1st overall in the 2022 NHL Draft and will be the youngest captain in team history for whichever team that drafts him.
The CHL is still producing some of the most elite prospects in the world.
Maybe not
Rob, you hit it on the head in the opening, more guys take that college route. Connor McDavid said he almost played at BU because of how tempting it was to play with Eichel.
Your videos are getting better by the day. Keep up the exceptional work!
Thanks dude! I appreciate that you noticed my efforts 👍🏻
In the 17-18 season tavares had 84 points and Barzal had 85
Veleno will make everyone regret not taking him, will be a Wings legend!
I actually hope he does well.
not a legend but a solid 2sd line center.
@@cromagnoneightyseven6951 I'll say this, he got a lot of points taking off his draft status simply because he isn't that strong of a skater. While Tavares wasnt a particularly great skater in his draft year, there wasnt nearly as much emphasis as now. I think Veleno could be very Ryan O'Reilly like in his career with potentially more offensive upside
Got to make a new video. Shortly after this video was uploaded Connor Bedard was granted player exception status for the Regina Pats of the WHL. I had the luxury of watching this kid play from grades 5 & up. When he was in grade 7 he was playing scrimmages with the North Shore AAA Midget hockey team and with his size and speed he didn't seem out of place.
North Shore / North Vancouver are well known for their success with hockey at the youth level nationally from Atom - Juvenile.
In 2017-18 as a 7th grader (peewee) was promoted to the bantam AA team and in his 3 GP he had tallied 8 points and was promoted to the Bantam AAA team and piled 59G 46A in 41 games played, helped the North Shore win their conference and league helping them to the provincial championships where the coaches named him the A as an assistant captain and led all forwards in the provincials in ice time and ultimately ended 4th in points and 2nd in goals provincially as a 7th grader.
In 2018-19 Connor Bedard as a 8th grader Connor Bedard got invited to go the the West Van A1 Academy Prep (Bantams) and played a grand total of 2 games recording 5 points before being promoted to the U16 team where he put up 64 G 24 A 88pts in just 30 games played before being promoted to the seniors U18 team where he then put up a staggering 43 G 41 A in 36 GP with the seniors helping them win their league and going to the provincial championship finals.
This past season as a 9th grader he dominanted the Major Midget Elite Hockey level in B.C. And was the teams best player in winning the provincial championship, carried his team to the nationals semi finals and then later was named to the 1st team Canada Cup all-star game. The dude plays like a man already. Looking forward to you making another video adding him to the list. I can guarantee you'll hear the name Connor Bedard for years to come.
I met John Tavares a lot he was very exciting to watch same as McDavid they were ahead of their time
I refereed Connor Bedard playing for his high school team. It's hard to describe how nuts that kid is
I live in Regina so I'm excited.
Ovechkin 2005 6 106 pts 2nd in the team 57 pts 3rd 44 pts 2008 9 112 pts 2nd 69 pts 3rd 57
I don’t think it’s dying, it’s just other programs are catching up
Wow! Great video bro! I've watched a few of your videos but this one got me to subscribe. I wish you the best and keep up the good work
Only watching your intro .. I can tell you for a fact ... the NCAA and other international programs have the ability and the cash flow to support hockey development . This will give rise to competition within those programs to recruit and scout top talent while providing a long growth period for six player.. the old system will eventually die out
CHL Exceptional Status Players is the Sidney Crosby Rule. Previous rule was any player that was classified as Exceptional was only allowed to play for his local Regional team. In Sidney Crosby case this would have been the Halifax Moose heads. Basically the Sydney was so good that the other teams rejected the rule and blocked Sidney from playing with Halifax as he would have played two season with Halifax before being drafted by another team. This was also due to the fact that Halifax host the National finals the Memorial Cup in 2000. In which they already had a stacked team and could have had an 14 yr old Sidney Crosby in the line-up if not blocked by the other team.
While Halifax lost the National finals I am sure it could have been different if Crosby was allowed to play. Instead he was forced to play in NSMMHL since he was also banned from playing in the local Junior A league with Truro Bearcats other then two game emergency call up basis (loophole) and wouldn't be allowed to play Junior A for the same reason why he wasn't allowed in the CHL.
This force Crosby to look at either playing Pro in Europe as an 15 yr old or head to Shattuck St. Mary's Midget Prep for a season before coming back to the CHL as an 16 yr old. The rest is history.
CHL Exceptional Status Players replace the old rules, which a player must apply and be granted access to the league and be made available to all teams rather then the old rule were a player if under the age of 16 was allowed to play with local team only and the team applied for the exceptional status for the player.
In short Crosby never applied for CHL Exceptional Status Players and was never denied but created the current rules since all the teams in the QMJHL didn't want to be embarrassed by Crosby and an already stacked Halifax team.
Since Tavares left the Islanders, the team has made it to the eastern conference both in 2020 and 2021 only losing to the champs of both years in 6 games (2020) and 7 games (2021). In 2019, they also made it to the second round (but were swept by Carolina).
I still find it crazy that I've got to know Shane Wright at a hockey program a couple years back and seeing him play is crazy but actually being on the ice with him is a totally different experience!
Great video. Get excited now whenever you post one
Bobby Orr was only 12 years old when he was scouted by the Boston Bruins, and 14 when he signed to play with the Bruin's 'farm' team the Oshawa Generals in the OHL.
Tavares: SOLID player, still not sure about 'exceptional' in NHL career, though.
Ekblad: gets kudos for being a D-man, SOLID player, not sure about exceptional in NHL, though.
McDavid: YES. YES YES YES. Absolutely.
Day: Honestly, I feel bad for him, because some players just don't want the constant pressure & expectations.
Veleno: never even herd of him. Doubt he'll end up as anything close to a McDavid or Ekblad.
Wright: Seems like a solid player & only time will tell as to how he performs in the NHL.
Good video, Rob!
Dude your video quality has really bumped up! Keep it up man!
Thanks man! Means a lot 👍🏻
Rob I played against Shane wright through minor hockey. That kid is a very good player and I hope it works out. And he is not captain he is an assistant
Awesome! And I am aware, when I said he is a captain, an assistant captain is still a captain. If I said “the captain” it would mean he was wearing the C
Played with Veleno in Midget. Great player with a unreal work ethic. He'll make it work !!
Why aren't you still playing high level(Yes i EP searched you)? LNAH? LHSAAAQ? Not trying to tell you what to do but I played 1/4 season of Jr. C and I'm still trying to play. Even a "bad" Jr. A player should be able to find somewhere willing to sign him. I'm just curious about going from Jr. A to not playing at all
knew Sean Day would be on here. watched him live at the U17's when he was 16 years old. He stood out so much, super smooth skater and looked super calm out there i remember him more than auston matthews in that tournament which is silly
I don't think the CHL is dying, I believe with the growth of the nhl world wide, there are other programs that have taken it upon themselves to increase their hockey programs. Also with the route to the NHL being more accessible to European players and the focus on training in the other divisions, I believe that you will see the a flattening of the curve. More Europeans and Americans will be drafted.
As much as it pains me to say this, (as i am Canadian) but i don't think that Hockey is " Canada's Game" any more. I think it is more of a world game. We have an unprecedented amount of European players in the league right now and i am thankful for that. Hockey has changed over the years, but i love the speed of the game, but oh how miss the old style some days.
Bro you know what generational means?
Jason Spezza was the first to be granted exceptional status.
In 2022 and 2023 there is way to much insane talent coming in both of those years that teams that finish off in a top 4 or 6 among worst is almost guaranteed a top 6 to franchise player . I dont think i ever saw a back to back year/s that have that amount of top end talent . Very exciting times in deed . just to give you and example ? check it . you will have Brad Lambert
, Ivan Miroshnichenko , Matvey Michkov , Connor Bedard , Shane Wright , Isaac Howard, and Matthew Savoie .
I remember playing in the peewee tourni Quebec and all of us had pins we would trade. Sean day had his own unique pin that was huge and every kid wanted it. Fun times
Aha, awesome!
Funny, I won MVP of that tourney years ago and stopped playing the next year...started back at 22 lol.
Sean Day was in my draft year. He really was extremely dominant back in the day. However, Konecny was by-far the best player I ever played against.
I’m old , seen all the greats , love hockey , you can see the money is in the nhl , we all knew the world would come and so it did . Seen so many great games in different rinks . Both forum,s in Montreal maple leaf gardens , Olympia in Detroit and the joe . Madison square . Bring on the kraken .
i don't think the CHL is dying, but it's more like players from more countries are getting looked at- players from Russia, Sweden, Finland, and other, smaller European countries are actually getting scouted to get drafted. i think it has a lot to do with somewhat less xenophobia- like European players are no longer seen as "soft" and not dedicated to the game enough.
on top of that, there are countries whose men's hockey programs are finally catching up to that of Canada's, so top tier talent isn't just coming from Canada anymore. there's also, of course, the NCAA, which notable players have chosen over CHL. and it's not just American hockey players choosing the college route anymore, there are Canadians who choose to play in the NCAA, as well.
Canada has the best hockey and programs for youth in the world
True, but the lead isn't as much as it once was. Ok by me though, such an awesome game deserves to be spread worldwide!
Quite racist too
Canada doesn’t necessarily have the best hockey program for boys and girls, that’s arrogant. Canada has the best infrastructure. The most arenas and the most players. My son grew up in the Toronto area, played OHL, AHL, NHL, KHL, etc. Today the best youth hockey programs are in Finland, Sweden, Russia, the U.S. and then Canada. Yes most drafted players are Canadian, but in terms of development it’s arrogant to dismiss Division 1
With Sean Day you are also overlooking that SOMEONE decided to surround him with yes people
Can you explain pls? I'm not familiar with his story
@@moelester8486for his first 2 years of juniors his family or whomever they trusted put people around him he more or less just stroked his ego(he was a kid so ego maybe the wrong word) and told him the problems were not his but how the team was using him. When he moved to the spit fires these people where no longer able to get into the arena and anywhere near the team and Day's development actually started. But sounds like controlling his weight is still a problem
@@jtshark8815 Thanks for sharing, I watched some of his junior highlight after that and he wasn't bad by any mean, but he was far from having a McDavid type potential. If he didn't got overhyped by people around him he could have been a decent offensive defensemen.
Yet another awesome hockey video. Keep up the amazing and interesting work!
Thanks dude means a lot!
Hey, Rob, I was just wondering to see if you’d do an NHL21 wishlist. I don’t know if you’ve done it yet. But if you haven’t, it’d be interesting to see what you’d put. But if you don’t play the games, it’s fine. Keep up the work and stay safe!
As expected, Bedard went first overall today. I'm excited to finally have an exceptional in the WHL
One thing that haven't been taken to account so much here is that the scouting has been increasing exponentially specially in Europe. Financially strong countries like German and Switzerland are on the rise. Finland and Sweden are producing like never before. Specially when you compare to the population of apr. 15mil. combined. Russia is producing still but now a days more and more young players are staying back home in KHL instead of going over seas. But all and all CHL ain't dying. Just more options for players. Swedish and finish top leagues have chosen to be development leagues with chances for youngsters to play adult games early in their careers. Slovaks dropped rough after Demitra and Satan generation. But showing signs of better to come. Czechia is on the rise again. The game of hockey is winning!!! NA don't have to worry! Most star players will still come from there due to amount of players and money put in to the sport from kid to NHLer.
Shanw wright was good enough that everyone on his line got drafted ahead of some way better players because they played with him. Kid is certifiably cracked
Most hockey leagues in Canada do well but some parts of the world are definitely are catching up. Competition is good for the sport. In the states hockey is very regional and lower leagues are not supported across the board. But I have not idea what I am saying. Just a zam driver here missing hockey.
Definitely. And as hockey programs get better around the world, it generates more hockey fans. And for a sport dominated by Canadian fan bases, that is awesome
Hockey overall has gotten so much better. If you watch the old CCCP vs Canada games in my opinion the Russians were far superior with skating and passing but we were better with the rough stuff. We learnt from them and they learnt from us. Hockey is so much more highly skilled yet style has some decent physicality.
I can’t tell by the thumbnail if this is OhNyquist or RTH
- itzWyatt - lmao same😂
I think hockey is growing worldwide it’s great. Great video
should add that shane wright also played on a brutally bad kingston team, he was literally carrying us. really looking forward to watching him live before he gets drafted
Tavares is a future hall of famer, hard to say he wasn't a generational talent given the fact (as you noted) that he played on a brutal Islanders team for so long.
I think the Olympics going to College Players for Hockey had something to do with the increase in NCAA Hockey commitments.
Ekblad still looks like he is in mid-30's when he is only 24.
I remember seeing pictures of him with a full beard in jrs and I was like wait this guys 18?
Panarin was about to break 100 points this season while having Ryan Strome and Jesper Fast as his linemates pretty much all season. Note to add to this point he was the best 5v5 point getter in the league. This whole Tavares could have had better totals with better line mates is BS. Elite players don't need other good players to inflate their point totals.
That's the argument I'm always trying to make. Look at Tarasenko as another example. He has the 3rd-most goals in the league over the past five seasons and the 3rd-most in the playoffs since entering the league, but the centers he's played with are Sobotka, Backes, Lehtera, and Schenn. Schenn is great, but I wouldn't call the others game-changers. If anything, Tarasenko's injuries are what has held him back.
McDavid made Yakupov a ppg player, and Maroon got nearly 30 goals with him. He has 3rd/4th line players put up good points with him. Josh Archibald anyone?
As a Jt fan you're not wrong but he did make his linemates better when he played for the islanders like Moulson, Okposo, Parenteau and even Josh Bailey to name a few.
Yakupov was NEVER a point per game guy. Look at his career stats. www.nhl.com/player/nail-yakupov-8476855
Exactly! And where are all of those guys now? Moulson is AHL, Okposo is a shell of his former self, and Parenteau retired.
cool vids I usally watch ohnyguist but now I watch both
Same
Aha👍🏻
I have Kingston Frontenacs seasons tickets and I can tell you that Shane Wright is the next McDavid. His hockey sense is outstanding and he has ridiculous shot accuracy and speed!
Silver Strike he’s amazing he might be better than McDavid, future top 3 pick
I bet! Awesome you get to see that live for the next 2 years! You better get his jersey
@@acatoncatnip3171 Wright Is projected number 1 but it could change I don't seeing it change
@@acatoncatnip3171Well. I don't think he will be better than McDavid.
Veleno is without a doubt gonna be a solid top 6 guy, maybe even elite, but not a franchise defining guy or generational player
the exception isn't something they use to say "hes gonna be the next gretzky" just something they use when younger players are ready to play with the older talent. I think in the early days it was meant to be used for the Tavares, McDavid, Crosby types but over time (whether that's because the CHL has learned more ppl buy tickets when they have an exception or if its a wealthy family can pressure the CHL to grant one). for the NY ranger kid who showed up at 250+ lbs, I don't think being an exceptional player hurt him. that's what happens in life. people mature at different stages, some don't start playing hockey as young, some meet a great coach or mentor along the way and so on. im sure everyones played with kids who were unreal at age 8-12 but by the time you go to high school, you were much better than they were.
Video ideas, Mario Lemieux’s 92-93 season. Sidney Crosby’s concussion, Pittsburgh Penguins back to back cups, etc
Players from other counties no longer have to come to the CHL to get noticed/drafted. They have options back home. That's why it's dropping. You say place like Finland and Russia have increased their drafted players but did they? Or did those players just used to get drafted as CHL players and now they don't?
It's not that the CHL is dying, it's that other developmental leauges, especially the NCAA, is on the rise
I think Veleno will end up being a 2nd/3rd line center but I also think he could end up being the captain one day. He's a great on-ice leader which is something the Red Wings don't really have right now.
I wouldn't say the CHL is dying, it's still turning out awesome prospects and will continue to be one of the top junior leagues that the NHL drafts from. In my opinion, it has more to do with the opening of Russia to the world over the past 20 years and the establishment of European forwards/defenseman such as Ovechkin, Malkin, Dahlin, etc. You have to remember, there were not a lot of Soviet born players playing in the NHL in the 1990s, of course there was Mogilny, Fedorov, Larionov, Konstantinov, etc. but there was not the influx of players from the Soviet hockey program, all these guys had to defect just to play in the NHL. It's not that the CHL dying, it's that there are more prospects coming out of Europe than ever before. I think what really needs to be questioned is the US Development Program, and how players coming out of the USDP tend to have more success in the NHL after playing a year of minor hockey; look at the examples of Auston Matthews and Jack Eichel, which will be interesting to see how Cole Caufield will turn out as a player since he is going the US college route instead of going straight into the NHL.
Only McDavid has truly lived up to the hype. Ekblad isn’t that #1 dman. Tavares is a solid number 1 centre but isn’t dominant. Veleno won’t be more than a middle 6 guy. And Sean day lmao.
Veleno was drafted into an already strong Saint John Sea Dogs team. So even though he had exceptional status. There were loads of guys filling the top 2 line roles. Its Not that his development wasnt great, it's just he was limited on icetime. The man then went to drummingvill to become a stud for their playoff run. To tip it off The only reason he is playing in the AHL is because he has to enter the Mens league a year yearly because of the exceptional status he was granted from the Q ! He will tear it up, when Detroit calls apon him !
Would you count Bobby Orr as a player that would be given exceptional status? Joining the Oshawa generals at 14 and was an all star three of his four years there. The OHL is for players between ages 16-21 so by him being an OHL all star at 15 should that automatically put him on this list? At the time they were technically the OHA which is why I’m asking the question.
Day is annoying because he is streaky you think he is getting it and then bam he disappears just as quickly
So is "exceptional status" only for Canadians? How then can U.S. players play at 15? Shane Prince played at 15 for Kitchener (He's from my hometown in Rochester, NY).
In 2020 Tavares still needs a better team around him. Nothing has changed.
I don't think the CHL is dying, it's just like you said the NCAA and other European leagues are producing really great tallent like Ovechkin. Mcdonald and many others.
Tavares best season w Trashlanders: 86pts
Tavares best season w Toronto: 88 pts
Difference? He joined a playoff team - but still cant help them get past round 2.. he is not elite. Such a shame for Leaf fans. Guy is amazing (im a rangers fan but i wont put JT down bc hes talented af) but he should have come in and made that team top contenders with the amazing talent he has around him.. either way, it was a better move to leave NYI cause he was never winning a cup there anyway 😂
Shane Wright will be the next great one, because he will play for the Habs.
The CHL's status is fine. The combination of CHL, college, and other locations is exactly the model of a system all sports should follow.
It's a joke that the only reasonable way to get into football is to go to college. Many players aren't meant to be college students, and it's a cruel setup for those guys. I don't care if they get their college paid for - that should be for the players who want both worlds. You've got college basketball's silly "one and done" rule, and then the "three years" for football. The alternate, non-academic path is absolutely the solution we need.
Jason Spezza? Rico Fata? The rule wording was different but it was still an exception to play as a 15 year old. Only allowed if it was for your home town team. Should be included here.
I don’t see it as dying, the programs elsewhere are just getting better. Especially Germany
I don’t think the CHL is dying, it’s progression just slowed down. It may die if the OHL continues forward with the idea to ban fighting.
The CHL is not dying. It's just that most Americans (and some Canadians) are going the NCAA route.
Tavares would have been so much better had he not been drafted by the Islanders. He single handedly lifted that Franchise out of the dumps (literally) at Nassau Coliseum to the point now where they can hire an A-List head coach (Trotz) and have successful seasons year after year. That would not have happened without Tavares dragging the horrible islanders out of the basement
Veleno is not a caliber of a player that is represented in an exceptional player. Never showed the elite ability, and to me projects as a top 6 winger with good IQ
I don’t think you necessarily have to become an NHL hall of fame talent just because you got exceptional status. The rule is in place for players Hockey Canada think have nothing to learn in their age group. I think dubbing every exceptional status player as a generational player is unfair. You’re taking a 15 year old and placing hall of fame expectations on him. Making the NHL alone means you’re an exceptional player and a world class talent, so I think becoming an NHL regular should be the bar for exceptional status players, not necessarily the next Crosby.
John Tavares: Helped the Islanders to the second round in 2016, then went to Toronto in the 2018 off season, and fans RIOTED about it, and they still won't shut up about it.
-Leafs fan.
I agree ntm the fact that they say "we dont need you" when the islanders might have moved without him because of the rangers just being ten times better (this is all hindsight of what wouldve happened so dont go crying about how this wouldnt have happened I'm not saying it would have I'm saying it might have)
The USHL/NCAA route is received more attention from scouts due to their different rules. NHL teams are allowed to wait longer to sign players from these american leagues, whereas a CHL player must be signed within a couple seasons or they lose the rights.
Within the CHL, though, there are still problems. There are too many teams missing playoffs in the WHL, there isnt enough parity within the OHL, and too many imports are taking up slots from canadian players(esp goaltending) throughout the league. Finnish leagues in particular have become stronger, but the CHL also develops some of their top players for them. The CHL and shitty hockey canada have become complacent at the top, and don’t show signs of adjusting to the NCAA inside track with scouts, or upcoming competition from other leagues.
Did we forget veleno played for Saint John for them begins ! Showed a team he barely played for ! Also I watched him play his a smart player and has vary high hockey iq his gunna be awesome
I love that Tavares' career best season in terms of goals and pts are with the Leafs.
Yep aha. That isn’t a fluke either
Do you think if day turned out better that veleno woulda been drafted sooner?
whit what happened in the last draft i certainly hope wright doesnt live up to the expectations
McDavid was probably the only player who should have gotten the exceptional talent. It seems like it should be used for only the most rare of cases.
:14 "negative regression" Glad to see the CHL doing better since their regression is going into the negative.
Ty smith also was granted exceptional status in the whl but he rejected it
Canadian parents and families simply cannot afford for their sons to play hockey anymore. A very small percentage of Canadian young men actually play competitive hockey. Of course that affects the draft pool and it’s reflected in professional hockey.
Feel bad for day, guy lost his brother and was never the same after that honestly
Sean day just got placed on waivers today
the hype must really get to them..i think a smart thing for them to do in not pay attention in the media about themselves n just focus on training n playing hockey..when they have a bad game it must have a domino effect on them n eventually they lose a little bit of interest in the game or the desire to get better cuz they didnt dominate the league as expected...thats just imo..chl will always produce great players n ya leagues ard the world r gettin better in training and conditioning n players n co aches can look up online for every aspect of the game and how to get better..theres my novel for u rob..lol have a good day
Yep I 100% agree. Especially for players like McDavid and Crosby, who had a lot of mental abuse because of pressure. So when players like this succeed, it goes much deeper than stats
I think there will surely be some regret for teams passing Veleno. I don't think he will be Tavares level player ever but I like his game and I trust that he will develop into a solid 2nd line center who can jump in 1st, play a scoring role and who knows, maybe even cement that 1st line center position. He was drafted so late that I'm almost 100% positive there will be a bust and some other disappointments in the draft class and for sure Veleno will make some GM wish for a time machine.
Tavares is crazy good. Look at his point production with the Isles, and then he plays one season with the Leafs and breaks his points AND goal totals from his entire career. He belongs in Toronto, and he understandably left New York
It’s obvious the CHL is the best league to come from I live in the city of Kingston and the prospects I have seen play here are way better then the ones over seas I’m not saying are league is always better but most of the time it is, it’s why some players come over here in the import draft even after being drafted in the nhl
I'll defend Sean Day, here. Still a really young guy with huge potential. A lot of people put the ECHL on the backburner, and that's pretty unfair, to say the least. Numbers are deceiving for him at the pro level, as his time in the ECHL last year propelled his game to a different level when he was recalled back to Hartford, and confidence started showing through. This year, despite having spent a good chunk of time in the E, his game has become more well-rounded, and he's developing into a very solid two-way defenseman. Still possesses a high-caliber natural skating ability, and has offensive tools too. The Rangers are stacked on defense, and Day might not be the best suit for them currently, but I'd be hard pressed to believe that with Day's mentality and skill, he won't someday don an NHL sweater - whether that is a Rangers sweater or not. People develop at different rates, but we're seeing a lot more positives than negatives in his development. Don't write him off just yet.
Great take.
Rob Talks Hockey Thank you!
Go Pats Go! Super pumped to get Bedard here
There were personal issues with Day that really fucked him up. I heard his brother died or something like that and he couldnt rebound
Sean Day's brother going to jail for manslaughter may also of played a big role