Noah Hanafin and Elias lindholm for Dougie Hamilton. I understand the dougie is a solid top 4 scoring defenseman, but Noah hanafin is supposed to be a top 2 two way d man, along with a great 2nd line playmaker?! It’s worked out in a way... but being a franchise mode player in nhl 20, it hurts to see your team lose two prospects. Edit: I’m a canes fan.
It was a great trade for the Sabres, We gave up an All star for a AHL player, and two guys who aren’t on the team a year later, and the last first round pick, pretty good package😂
Right now Melnyk is the only thing that could stand between Ottawa and being a Cup contender in the next 5 years with the Prospect pools we have and the ones we are about to aquire
Evan Strickland he can't be that stupid to trade away players and start a rebuild again in 5 years...the Thomas Chabot contract was a good signing showing he's ready to pay players again....I hope
I started getting into hockey during the Stanley Cup playoffs in 2019 and absolutely love it! I'm learning so much from your channel and I love when you talk statistics and data! Congrats on hitting just over 20k, well deserved! An Aussie fan
@Ye Ye not just that, how did Bolts just choke with only ONE player injured (Hedman) like just cuz he was the true Hart Trophy winner it doesn't mean the offense/defense must dry up as a DIRECT result! Every all star was invisible, and the team only showed up for the first period of GM1 As for the jets they were the most frustrating team of the year IMO, casually coughing up 1-2 goal leads every other game, letting teams score late in the game, having the most losses when leading after TWO periods...their woes were felt most vs MIN and STL; vs STL, GM5, they were up 2-0, hayes blew a big opportunity to score (puck was going in, but he reached up and accidentally on purpose pulled it *backwards*) Calgary died after GM1, and allowed 50+ shots against the next 4 games vs the Avs Babcock had a cock in his Bab in GM7 vs Boston Last but not least, we saw some of the most inconsistent hockey of this century! Had Western teams juuust played a _tad_ bit better, the Blues wouldn't have made the playoffs. Only 3 teams had 100 points. THREE. Calgary (107), San Jose (101), and Nashville (100). Nobody (teams not players) was playing like they should've. Montreal gave off Michel "We're one goal ahead so let's just play defense because we don't need to go and score again because the game's already in our pockets" Therrien vibes with how they thought being up 2-1 in the first 10mins of the game meant they didn't have to play anymore because they (quote unquote) "won". It's things like these that made me tune out to the NBA playoffs for the first time.
The Karlsson trade is only going to look worse and worse for San Jose. He's going to continue his decline and questionable defensive play. To add, his past ankle and achilles injuries are already looking like they are taking effect at age 30.
the move for the sharks never made sense as they were going to pay 2 D men who play below average defense a lot of money and cap lock themselves. And look what has happened.
You're not wrong but I wouldn't write him off just yet. The NHL suspending ops may be a blessing as Karlsson gets alot of rest and rehab time. Which could be all he needs.
1. Zibby is great now but Brassard played a big role in the deep cup run and we still have Gustafson. 2. Turris sucks and his contract is looking horrible. Plus for Duchene we still have Abramov and Thompson (potential top pairing D). Bishop trade is a dud for sure. But we had Anderson and Lehner at the time too and had to make a decision. Conacher was lighting it up that year (granted he was playing with St.Louis). 4. Hoffman was a bad trade but Dorion wanted him gone and to the west.
That Erat/Forsberg trade is one that stung from right after it was made. It's still hard to believe a player with that much potential was given up for a temporary depth NHLer
Erat was a very well regarded Two Way Player that fit a need for the Capitals and Forsberg did not really look good early in his career. Those first couple years he couldn't get on the Ice for Nashville. He looked like a Bust until he broke out randomly. In all honesty, his Stats are very similar to Erat's with the exception of this past year. A few more goals than Erat, and few less assists.
My favorite team is the Red Wings, and Ken Holland made so many trades and contracts that aged like milk in the past decade. You could probably do a whole video about that and what led to it.
I’ve heard rumours that Brett burns might be unprotected in the expansion draft that would be crazy if he gets picked up by Seattle Ik he’s slowing down and has a crazy cap hit but still wow
I'll disagree, they gave up a lot yes and it didn't work out at all, but one he had another on the deal so that pushes up the compensation and two they were able to recoup some of those picks from Columbus so the hurt was lessened.
@@davidwood2831 yah agreed, looking back on it, the avs got Shane Bowers and Bowen Byram, Ottawa got Lassi Thompson, Vitaly Abromov, and 2 seasons service out of duchene, obviously Byram has more potential than Thompson, but Abromov has more than Bowers, colorado won this trade but not by as much as most people think, but the return they got from nashville in exchange for Turris was ridiculous, also ill add that dzingel wouldnt have been shipped to columbus had we not also had duchene, meaning we wouldnt have gotten an all-star in aanthony duclair
We Got Norris and Stutzle plus Tierney out of this deal. Did not like it at first but Damn it equals out to two top six forwards. Josh Norris will hit the 30+ goal mark this season.
On behalf of older Blues fans, we can also thank Calgary for handing us Brett Hull for an OK defenseman (Rob Ramage), and a backup goalie (Rick Wamsley).
As a Canucks fan there are two. One that bit us was the Cam Neely trade to Boston, but we also lucked out in the Naslund trade. Great work on the channel. I'm not a huge fan of hockey talk channels, but I do enjoy yours. Keep up the good work man. Oh and regarding Karlsson...I feel that there has been some inury issues that haven't really been brought to light. And not to mention some major injuries from years gone by that will probably take a toll on his body as goes deeper into his 30's. Hopefully this extended time off has given time to whatever needed to heal. Think Teemu Selane...his career seemed close to being over, but the lockout gave him the time he needed to recoup, and he was lights out from then on.
I recently found your channel and have been loving the content. I'm a Ducks fan and a trade that aged horribly for us was Kyle Palmieri to New Jersey for a 2015 second and 2016 third round pick. Palmieri is a 25+ goal scorer per season at a cap hit of 4.65 million a year. Meanwhile Anaheim's offense has suffered mightily. The one deal that aged well for the Ducks and didn't have to wait too long was in the 2011 draft. Anaheim traded the #22 overall pick to Toronto for picks #30 and #39. Toronto picked Tyler Biggs at #22 and Anaheim acquired Rickard Rakell at #30 and John Gibson at #39.
As an Islanders fan, an additional wrinkle in the Reinhart trade was that we had just got done watching him play in our 2015 first round loss to the Caps and it was painfully obvious he wasn't an NHL player. When the trade happened there was zero debate about it in Islanders land; we just traded one of our worst prospects for our new number 1 prospect
Then later flipped kessel for kappanen and picks, picks got flipped into anderson. And with kessel on the team were low enough to draft nylander and marner. I'd take kappanen marner nylander and anderson over 2 firsts, especially when the leafs scouts where awful those 2 years no guarantee they would have drafted who Boston had
Crazy you’ve gained almost 60 plus thousand subscribers since uploading this that’s crazy you said at the time of this that you had just over 20 that’s crazy man keep doing you and keep getting to where you wanna be hope you see this 🤙🤙🤙
March 13th, 1996 Toronto Aquires: D.J Smith, Mathieu Schneider and an Aging Wendel Clark for New York Islanders: Sean Haggerty, Darby Henrickson, Kenny Johnsson and a 1st round Pick Initially this trade looked fairly good. Clark, while not as effective as his first stint with the Maple Leafs, was still and effective player. Mathieu Schneider was seen as a good to great defenceman and DJ Smith (Ottawa's Current Head Coach) was a pretty good prospect. Meanwhile Darby Henrickson and Sean Haggerty ended up playing less than half a season combined for the Islanders, and Kenny Johnsson was a solid/dependable top 4 d-man. Seems pretty decent at first, almost even, maybe even a little tilted towards the Maple Leafs. With the 1st round pick, the New York Islanders choose future Hall of Fame Goaltender Roberto Luongo, and Mathieu Schneider is a bust in Toronto, Wendel Clark is often injured and the Leafs miss the playoffs in '97 and '98 despite having one of the highest payrolls in hockey. This however lead to one of the most lopsided trades in Islanders history because on June 24th, 2000 New York Islanders Aquires: Mark Parrish and Oleg Kvasha for Florida Panthers Aquire: Roberto Luongo and Olli Jokinen That was bad at the time and worse now... off Milbury
You forget the Leafs were in the middle of two playoff runs that brought them to the Semis. Luongo never would of made it in a market like Toronto anyways. Trading Rask for Raycroft however is one they probably want back.
The thing people kinda forget (and rightfully so) is that, minus a terrible call and complete collapse by the Knights, the Sharks were a first round exit team in 2019. They really weren't a team "2 wins away from the Finals." Or even 3 wins, if you want to discount that handpass goal. Yes the Sharks were opportunistic in that Knights game, but honestly, that was 20% a bad call, 70% the Knights forgetting how to hockey, and 10% the Sharks being a good team. The Sharks collapse this season never shocked me...they were a first round exit team disguised as one 2 wins away from the Finals.
Not only did the Sharks overpay for Karlsson in salary and assets to get him, Karlsson just hasn't been as good as he was before that 2017 ECF run on the Sens. His ankle surgery has hindered him greatly and, sadly, without his world class speed Karlsson isn't Karlsson. A lot of his playmaking depended on his agility and acceleration, to get deep into the zone and then absolutely fly back up the ice into his d zone to defend. He just doesn't have that anymore. Josh Norris became a point per game rookie in the AHL this year and won rookie of the year. Chris Tierney is alright, DeMelo was great for us. Plus the 3rd overall. All icing on the cake.
So glad to see you're channel is doing well for you man :) As a fellow Canucks fan I am so pumped to have the season returning and you gave me my hockey fix in the meantime! Now then...do we hope the Canucks get into the playoffs or hope they get a chance at number 1!
When the Sharks acquired Karlsson I thought the deal was suspect at best considering at that point Karlsson was already on one and a half legs after the repeated injuries. He's just not the same player.
Hey Rob, big fan of your content! As a college student who’s taken public speaking classes the only part that bothers me with your videos is how you look down to your notes on camera. I understand this is how public speaking is done (and I do this myself during my speeches) but I have a suggestion to offer! If you were to look at a piece of paper placed near your camera lens that could work or putting your notes onto a laptop. Keep up the great work and congrats on 20,000 subscribers!
As a sharks fan I can’t even begin to describe how soul crushing the Erik Karlsson trade has been. You actually made it sound better than it is. We could have Stuetzel or Byfeild but instead we have 92 million dollar defensemen who’s well past his prime.
The Sharks definitely have more issues than just Karlsson, but he's a very easy scapegoat given the size of his contract. There were a lot of underperforming players this year, and I would argue Jones and Vlasic are both on much worse contracts - you could even argue Burns at $8mil a year until the age of 40(!) is the worst on the Sharks given his seeming regression this year
Karlsson was a huge mistake essentially he replaced Pavs who was very much an intangible leader for the sharks. I’d rather have burns and Jones. Yes players underplayed but I feel that’s a lack of leadership.
theretiringbarber nah dog. Karlsson is a injury proned bust who will only decline. Burns has the chemistry to be fairly consistent he will decline also but contract is way better than karlson
Wild fan here. The Burns trade aged terribly, the Hanzal and Ryan White deadline deal aged terribly, and although the Vegas expansion trade of Tuch and Haula hasn’t aged that horribly yet, Tuch would be a great player on the Wild this season, as they literally only have 2 right shot forwards. On the bright side, the Fiala-Granlund trade looks like a big win for the Wild
I’ll admit I’m not in love with the price my Sharks paid for EK65 ($9.5/8yrs would’ve been better), but at this point I feel he’s catching a bad rap for misguided reasons. 1. He’s never not generated less than 0.7ppg (normally he’s in the 0.9+ppg range, which is insane for a defenseman). 2. The Sharks lost an entire 2nd line this year, which hamstrung our scoring up front. 3. Our 1A goalie was the most overworked goalie in the entire NHL, and that fatigue finally caught up to him after four years of 60+ reg season games and deep playoff runs. 4. Our former coach failed to revise the play strategy for the new team, so nobody had much guidance. 5. A disjointed locker room vibe left everyone sour until they pulled it together halfway through the season. 6. Loss of old leadership, beginning of new leadership, and... 7. INJURIES!!!! I know it’s easy to put all this on the EK65 trade, but if we didn’t sign him we’d have lost picks, prospects, and whatnot for nothing. I also get that it’s frustrating we don’t have our own pick (only because it’s 3rd overall this year), but I think we’re forgetting a few important things: a) there’s no way we could’ve known things would go this south this year (in fact, I think all the GMs were under the impression the cap would go up a lot last year), and b) we acquired another 2020 1st round pick which happens to be in the range that we normally pick every year with our own, exceptions being 2007 and 2015 (y’know, the only years where we’ve missed the playoffs during two decades!). tl;dr... the Sharks will be ok!
I’ve been saying the same thing all season. While the Karlsson trade may seem like a blunder, there were many other factors that led to the sharks poor season. I have full confidence that Doug Wilson can figure out a way to bolster this roster and the team will turn it around next season.
Nathan Baca Fer sher!! There’s also a lot of talk about how tight our cap situation is this year, but we have, like, the 7th best cap room in the league, no expensive UFAs or RFAs to sign, and only need to add a top-6 forward and a 1B goalie. We will be fine!
Welcome to bring a Sens fan during the 2017-2018 season. No one could had predicted the fall from grace they had after the Duchene trade. We got that key center who can just dominate with Mark Stone, Mike Hoffman and to put less pressure on Karlsson having to make all those insane plays he made. That and Turris has not been the same since joining Nashville and Duchene turned out to be a massive upgrade for us. And that pick we gave up we thought would be a mid-rounder at best. However, 1) Our Coach at the time Guy Boucher did not adapt to people figuring us out. 2) That we'd suffer some serious injuries that season. 3) that it turns out Hoffman's fiancee is a massive (insert your flavor text). 4) That there'd be such bad blood in the locker room between Karlsson and Hoffman. Which just ruined the team chemistry and they just looked like they gave up halfway through the season. 5) That the wheels finally came off Anderson's game. 6) Melnyk... It was an unpredictable collapse and all Sens fans were mortified to give Colorado a 4th Overall pick in 2019. But, it turns out cleaning the locker room of that bad karma had been good for the Sens. We have a strong leadership core of Tkachuk, Chabot and Duclair. And our prospects have not been this good since the mid-90s between Batherson, Brainstorm, Norris and add either Byfield or Stutzle we'll be in great shape and contending again in no time. We want to see King Karl do well and Sens fans will be cheering for the Sharks to turn it around next year. But, we know it will sting you guys if we do transition to Contender status due to the trade. Sometimes it just happens.
As an AVS fan, 1. I love Joonis Donskoi. He’s a beast. 2. I think the biggest issue with Karlsson isn’t necessarily what he brings to the table, because he really is a super star. It’s what the sharks lost due to his price tag. Donskoi and Pavelski hurt.
the problem is vlassic burns and karlsson are all 30+ now and on the books for 27m for the next 5 years 11.5m for karlsson 8m for burns, and 7 mill for vlassic, then you are paying jones about 6m for pretty much fringe starter results this year for 5 more years 33m in those 4 players, not to mention burns seems like he is starting to show some regression, and karlsson was never the same player after the 2017 playoff run when he played on his gimped feet, he already had some pivot troubles from the cooke incident... i think the sharks have about 9? million to work with, but the window is closing, they need to trade burns very soon or he will turn into a seabrook contract
Everyone needs to get over the narrative that Edmonton "lost" Barzal in the Reinhart trade. Edmonton was never going to make such a good drafting decision with that pick. 100% they would have taken Svechnikov. 100%.
RE: Hamilton trade. I do agree that Senyshyn wasn’t a good pick for the Bruins, but the two second picks they received in the Hamilton trade weren’t exactly busts. #45 Jakob Forsbacka Karlsson showed that he is a solid Bottom 6 two way player at the NHL level. He moved to the United States from Sweden at 17. After 6 years playing stateside, he wanted to play closer to his family for the 2019-20 season. He fully intendeds to play for the Bruins organization and I expect to see him in camp next season. #52 Jeremy Lauzon has earned himself a Top 6 D job in Boston over the last few months. He’s not a big point D-Man, but he’s a solid defensemen who has a great hockey iq. He’s also not afraid to stick up for his teammates and is signed through 2021-22.
Yes you are completely correct. I just still can't wrap my head around potentially 2 bottom 6 players and a bottom pairing defensemen for a 20 year old defender that was only showing Norris qualities
Rob Talks Hockey Well, the situation the Bruins were put in at that time, was that Brian Burke and Calgary were going to offer sheet Hamilton. The Bruins had offered him the almost the exact same contract he ended up getting in Calgary, but he rejected the offer. At the time they really didn’t cap room to match an offer sheet for over $6 million, nor did they want to keep Hamilton there if he didn’t want to play for the organization. They already had Chara, Krug, Seidenberg, Mcquaid, K. Miller, Morrow and C. Miller at D. Plus they were all signed through that next year. So instead of taking the compensation from the offer sheet(a 1st, 2nd & 3rd round pick), they traded him for the 1st and two 2nd’s. So it netted them a 2nd instead of 3rd with the offer sheet, and you get assets for a player that didn’t want to play for your organization.
@@BruTangClanHockeyCards yeah but the problems with getting a first and two seconds, you need to draft something good. I get it they were in an impossible situation with the cap and Hamilton contracts but at least make it count with those drafts picks. Especially since the early 2010's, its easier to find a good player in the first 2 rounds. The scouts are better than they were in the 90's...
As a Penguins fan, it pains me to say that I was expecting to see the trade of Markus Naslund to Vancouver for Alex Stojanov (if memory serves me correctly) make this list.
As a Canucks Fan I do remember that trade; a future firefighter (Stojanov) for a future franchise player (Naslund) as it was probably the best trade in Canucks franchise history. But I know I should not gloat as we traded away Cam Neely for Barry Pederson (one of the worst trades in NHL history)
Saying the Oilers didn't scout Reinhart is the dumbest thing you could ever say. He played for the Oil Kings in juniors. No other nhl team would have scouted him more. That was probably a big part of why they had the bias from knowing him so well and seeing him win the Memorial Cup and have such a good juniors career.
I am from the future. It turned out, playing with Eichel was awful, as he was an egotistical and arrogant player that was toxic in the dressing room... and once he left, Skinner's numbers went back to normal, scoring over 30 goals in the 2021-22 season. In fact, Skinner would go on to play with Tage Thompson and Alex Tuch to form an incredibly productive line with 4.06 goals per 60 minutes of ice time, making him a part of the 11th best line in the entire NHL
One thing that has to be appreciated when commenting on trades in today's NHL is the Salary Cap. Also the "No Trade" that most elite players have. Makes trading guys a lot more challenging, like Buffalo experienced in trading Hall to Boston. They had their hands tied so really to get anything may have been a win in their case?
Well, in the cap era there are more to trades than just evaluating skill - not only that but trades are way more complicated than most fans think, also it's pretty easy to judge a trade in hindsight..... I mean I'm 40-years-old and have been a hockey fan - especially a Hawks fan for 35-years so I have seem my fair share of trades that on face value were horrible at the time but aged profoundly well and I have seen my fair shaRe of trades that were just terrible when they were made and I have seen my fair share of trades where a team hands down won the trade in the short-run but lost the trade in the long-run. To be honest, I really don't think a trade involving high picks (first or second round picks) is that bad if a team is trading away, say a top 6 forward in his late 20's for say a 1st & 3rd round picks + a role player or prospect as an example.... And look, it's not always true that the team that gets the best player wins the trade, especially when picks are involved because you don't know how those picks are going to turn out.... I mean right now there are dozens of players that were drafted in later rounds whom you would NEVER trade for players that were drafted in higher rounds from the same draft class.... I mean if I have a confident and competent scouting staff I would have no issue trading a non-core albatross player for picks and prospects, because odds are you will get a player just as good if not better depending on your scouting staff.... I suppose my point is it's really difficult to blame a GM or a team for trading a top 6 or top 4 pairing d-man for a few picks - besides fans really don't know the circumstances behind the trade the demand for said player - especially when it comes to the salary cap... I mean you could have a team that wants a player but would have to send salary back to acquire that player but the team trading the player is trading him to shed cap despite the the fact that the interested team was the one that made the best offer.....
The ultimate trades that age badly are ones that loomed great at the time. The reinhart trade was always bad. Although he was taken in expansion, which meant we didnt lose another player (prob Khaira).
In 2005 the Sharks traded for a player named Joe Thornton. What a huge trade! Scoring titles! Division Titles! President's Trophy! Now 15 years later the guy just won't retire. You're a fucking dinosaur Joe, please fucking retire. REMEMBER when the Sharks traded for Teemu Selanne? Unremarkable in San Jose. Needed a knee surgery. I don't think he ever wanted to be on the Sharks to begin with. Oh and HE MISSED A FUCKING SLAM DUNK WRAPAROUND IN GAME 7 AGAINST THE AVALANCHE. THEN he decides, you know what, I'm gonna take a pay cut and go join my buddy Paul Kariya in Colorado where he LOST TO THE SHARKS in 2003! HAHAHAHAHAHA Also the Sharks traded for perhaps the most overrated defenseman of all time: Erik Karlsson. What's so great about this guy again? What, cause he can score goals? That's great but he's garbage at defense. Just watch the Blues series in the 2019 playoffs. Then there was the whole Ed Belfour fiasco where he referred to his fellow Shark teammates as "losers" to the media. And there's more bad trades for the Sharks, but these are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.
This list could be just Sens trades. The Sens trade Yashin (aged badly for NYI) The Sens trade Karlsson (aged badly for San Jose) The Sens trade Zibanejad The Sens trade Ben Bishop in his prime The Sens trade for Duchene
I still think the sharks won that trade by far. Karlsson is one of the best players of the 2010s and still has years ahead of him on a very strong team. Unfortunately he has been injured.
Josh Norris is easily going to be a 30-40 goal scorer in a year or two. The Senators are getting Stutzle(Comparable to Patrick Kane) or Byfield(Comparable to Malkin), they have a ridiculous anount of draft picks now, Chris Tierney and Balcers who are NHL players. I can’t see it. This is only going to get worse, Karlsson will be cooked in 2-3 seasons.
Ya as a sharks fan that one hurts...bad. But it was an effort to make a cup run and honestly Vlasic and Karlsson looked unstoppable at times. Thank goodness Hertl was an allstar this year ;). Great video as always!
Not sure if this has been pointed out, but Ottawa also received Rudolfs Balcers. Plus one of the conditional picks turned into a 2021 2nd rounder, not a 3rd rounder. Great video!
Dude I live in RI and I'm so glad Boston got rid of Dougie H. because he is a massive weirdo. There were so many reports about him being a fuckin jerk or just plain off the charts weird then he asked for like 10 mill a year and proceeded to not be likable at all. So I gotta disagree with you on that last one. I mean Boston is a really good team right now and like you said Dougie has a broken leg. There will always be something with that guy. Always. He was an albatross waiting to happen. But Boston did have some shitty picks for him. I mean they might pan out you don't know yet. Boston could be sitting on a gold mine. It's hard to crack that line up and none of those dudes has been given the opportunity for significant ice time. Boston is not rebuilding so this trade to me looks petty fuckin good.
I’m late but in 2016. My Minnesota wild traded a first rounder in 2017 and a 2nd on 2018 for a rental in Martin Hanzal who did nothing. That first rounder could have been used on…… Jake Oettinger. Who just eliminated the wild from the playoffs. Not aging very well especially when we needed a goalie for the future at the time
Way before many may remember, but the Avalanche traded away Chris Drury and Stephan Yelle to Calgary for Derrick Morris and Jeff Chance. Terrible, terrible trade, and it was the beginning of the end from that great Avalanche team of the Sakic/Forsberg era.
I’m not sure if I remember Pittsburgh making any horrible trades. They probably have but all their amazing pickups over the years definitely outweigh them
what about the that 3 way trade that sent Kyle Quincey to Detroit for a draft pick which ended up being Vasilevsky. Quicney was an okay dman but that trade was so one sided after Tampa selected Vasilevsky
Toffoli for madden & a 2nd round pick was a GOOD TRADE . Last i checked Toffoli & pearson came from a team that won 2 CUPS & they know how to win & they are fairly young. The Canucks need more guys that can get the job done! The Oilers needed those draft picks. Giving away Eberle a proven 30 goal scorer.Losing picks for reinhart . Chiarelli set the team back & all he had to do was get them into the playoffs --- the Oilers are a special team when in the playoffs. Always a dangerous team.
First time I'm catching your channel. I'm just a minute thirty into your video and I see you're a Canucks fan. Another Canucks fan. LOL. That's ok I like the Canucks. Before I even watch your video, I think I'm going to enjoy it. And before I watch I want to say the worst trade/deal ever was San Jose trading for Erik Karlsson and then paying him mega bucks. I knew before this trade Karlsson had already seen his best days and that this deal was a huge mistake by Doug Wilson. (I know by your thumbnail Karlsson is already on your list). Last season was worse than even I imagined and the Sharks are going to regret having Karlsson on their team for years and years. Now I'll watch the video. I'll let you know what I think afterwards.
When people say Oilers still cant make the playoffs or theyre still bad before this season. I dont think they realized how much of the tools Chiarelli had to make a cup contending team. He just seemed to give them away and make things worst with huge long term contracts to players out of their prime
There were (and still are **super-secret inside source**) huge issues in the dressing room, just listen to Andrew Ference talk about his time there. I feel bad for Chiarelli in a way. I'm a Flames/Bruins fan and I was definitely worried when he was brought in not long after winning a Stanley cup and making another final, along with him bringing in a bunch of ex-Bruins. I think Chiarelli stepped in there with a dysfunctional (compared to the Bruins- look at how tight they still are as a group) team and didn't know what the fuck to do. He gave away a lot of talent trying to make the team gel, but it never really happened.
I think when evaluating a trade involving draft picks you're putting too much emphasis on how the eventual draft pick turned out. A lot of that is luck. And the Karlsson trade right now looks a lot like the Duchene trade from the opposite side.
Jeff Skinner was a joke. Not a team player, liability whenever he was on the ice. His defensive ability was a joke. He was such a liability he couldn't even get on the ice during OT.
The Jeff Skinner trade been horrible for Buffalo... the winner obviously was Carolina. Now Sabres are stuck with a mediocre player, who can or cannot have another 30 goal and 60 point season, who gets paid tons of money for years to come and cap hit of¨ 9 mill until 2027. One of the worst contracts in the NHL.
It's not really fair to have Skinner in this. The trade itself was a steal, acquiring a 40 goal scorer for peanuts. The contract is the only issue, and that's completely separate from the initial trade.
Mad Mike (Milbury) of the Islanders traded the 2nd overall pick in 2001 draft (Jason Spezza) and Zdeno Chara to Ottawa for Alexei Yashin. Chara and Spezza became stars. Yashin only scored 30 goals once for the Isles and was eventually bought out.
Avalanche draft Cale Makar, get Sam Gerard, & more for Matt Duchene. Sakic is becoming as good of a general manager as he was a professional NHL player!
Has your team made a trade that aged horribly?!
Noah Hanafin and Elias lindholm for Dougie Hamilton. I understand the dougie is a solid top 4 scoring defenseman, but Noah hanafin is supposed to be a top 2 two way d man, along with a great 2nd line playmaker?! It’s worked out in a way... but being a franchise mode player in nhl 20, it hurts to see your team lose two prospects. Edit:
I’m a canes fan.
Literally 4th liners and the last 1st round pick
It was a great trade for the Sabres, We gave up an All star for a AHL player, and two guys who aren’t on the team a year later, and the last first round pick, pretty good package😂
Trouba for Pionk and a first!
Hall for Larson
You know you made a mistake when even Ottawa manages to rip you off in a trade.
Wow. Never considered that component
Once again Ottawa scams tampa in 2022 which is shocking
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@@sir_niksu Yea the Hawks should be ashamed of themselves.
When Karlsson was traded I was kinda annoyed. Now, I’m more than happy with what we got for him 😅
You guys might be considered good for a season!
Still we should have got merkley but hey at least they have no cap space now
@@gregjonathan1609 why just a season?
Right now Melnyk is the only thing that could stand between Ottawa and being a Cup contender in the next 5 years with the Prospect pools we have and the ones we are about to aquire
Evan Strickland he can't be that stupid to trade away players and start a rebuild again in 5 years...the Thomas Chabot contract was a good signing showing he's ready to pay players again....I hope
The Mika Zibenejad, Derek Brassard trade. Mika has turned into a 40 goal scorer while brassard has fallen off.
Yeah it’s looking bad right now but Sens almost went to the Cup final that year
@@ericsummers1230 it wasnt because of brassard though karlsson and anderson were really the 2 guys that drove the team that year
At least the Sens were abel to trade Brassard to Pittsburgh after for a good package.
That was a tough one... I was yelling about that last night actually.
We traded brassard for Gus who was our best goalie this year and some other pieces, not as bad as it looks
I started getting into hockey during the Stanley Cup playoffs in 2019 and absolutely love it! I'm learning so much from your channel and I love when you talk statistics and data! Congrats on hitting just over 20k, well deserved! An Aussie fan
Kahleigh bad timing 2019 playoffs was worst in history
Ooon Op poika so true bruh like where were pens and caps fucking each other up
"An Aussie fan" I'm guessing your fave player is Nathan Walker or nah?
@Ye Ye not just that, how did Bolts just choke with only ONE player injured (Hedman) like just cuz he was the true Hart Trophy winner it doesn't mean the offense/defense must dry up as a DIRECT result! Every all star was invisible, and the team only showed up for the first period of GM1
As for the jets they were the most frustrating team of the year IMO, casually coughing up 1-2 goal leads every other game, letting teams score late in the game, having the most losses when leading after TWO periods...their woes were felt most vs MIN and STL; vs STL, GM5, they were up 2-0, hayes blew a big opportunity to score (puck was going in, but he reached up and accidentally on purpose pulled it *backwards*)
Calgary died after GM1, and allowed 50+ shots against the next 4 games vs the Avs
Babcock had a cock in his Bab in GM7 vs Boston
Last but not least, we saw some of the most inconsistent hockey of this century! Had Western teams juuust played a _tad_ bit better, the Blues wouldn't have made the playoffs. Only 3 teams had 100 points. THREE. Calgary (107), San Jose (101), and Nashville (100).
Nobody (teams not players) was playing like they should've. Montreal gave off Michel "We're one goal ahead so let's just play defense because we don't need to go and score again because the game's already in our pockets" Therrien vibes with how they thought being up 2-1 in the first 10mins of the game meant they didn't have to play anymore because they (quote unquote) "won". It's things like these that made me tune out to the NBA playoffs for the first time.
MTL : mcdonagh trade
Fiala for Granlund ended up being a steal for the Wild
Was a steal when it happened
Fleischmann and Weise in exchange for Phillip Danault and an R2 who became Alex Romanov
First I had in mind ! 5 years later, 1st line center and best Def prospect
@@davidmontour6241 he's a 2nd line center but ya amazing trade
bsstyle123 I disagree. Most people, especially the advanced stats guys love him. He’s one of the best 2 way centres in the league.
He is one of the Most Underrated Player in the NHL
I mean they kinda had to trade Danault because cap space reasons but they should've got so much more back, Stupid Bowman
The Karlsson trade is only going to look worse and worse for San Jose. He's going to continue his decline and questionable defensive play. To add, his past ankle and achilles injuries are already looking like they are taking effect at age 30.
lol he still has 85 points in 109 games for sj. and 16 points in 19 playoff games. People write him off way to early
xFedd idk he’s an injury risk.... and the team is screwed in the future for cap
the move for the sharks never made sense as they were going to pay 2 D men who play below average defense a lot of money and cap lock themselves. And look what has happened.
@@Mjaco51 WCF last year? This year a write off but to put the blame of EK65 would just mean you didn't pay attention to them throughout the season.
You're not wrong but I wouldn't write him off just yet. The NHL suspending ops may be a blessing as Karlsson gets alot of rest and rehab time. Which could be all he needs.
no joke you are the most underrated hockey youtuber
Thanks dude, that means alot
Zibanejad for Brassard.
Turris+ (including a 1st round pick) for Duchene.
Bishop for Conacher.
Hoffman for Boedker.
1. Zibby is great now but Brassard played a big role in the deep cup run and we still have Gustafson.
2. Turris sucks and his contract is looking horrible. Plus for Duchene we still have Abramov and Thompson (potential top pairing D).
Bishop trade is a dud for sure. But we had Anderson and Lehner at the time too and had to make a decision. Conacher was lighting it up that year (granted he was playing with St.Louis).
4. Hoffman was a bad trade but Dorion wanted him gone and to the west.
The Ryan O'Reilly trade to St Louis.
Buffalo basically gave him up for free
Not for free. Blues gave up a prospect plus a 1st and 2nd round pick. Sobotka and Berglund...yeah...thanks for the cap relief..😊
C Schroeder thanks for first line center and a Stanley cup ❤️
C Schroeder and Thompson not looking like a good prospect anymore ...
@@michaelbrown-cp6nc I'm a Blues fan. Just saying we did give up something to get O' Reilly. He's been worth every bit of it..😊
That Erat/Forsberg trade is one that stung from right after it was made. It's still hard to believe a player with that much potential was given up for a temporary depth NHLer
Yup ...
Erat was a very well regarded Two Way Player that fit a need for the Capitals and Forsberg did not really look good early in his career. Those first couple years he couldn't get on the Ice for Nashville. He looked like a Bust until he broke out randomly. In all honesty, his Stats are very similar to Erat's with the exception of this past year. A few more goals than Erat, and few less assists.
My favorite team is the Red Wings, and Ken Holland made so many trades and contracts that aged like milk in the past decade. You could probably do a whole video about that and what led to it.
As I’ve said before, I’m a Sabres fan, I have a trade in the video, like always
Could do a whole 30 minute video on buffalo alone.
Why is this so true?
You poor soul
It’s okay dude. Only up from here haha
I don’t think it can get worse from firing our whole entire staff team
I’ve heard rumours that Brett burns might be unprotected in the expansion draft that would be crazy if he gets picked up by Seattle Ik he’s slowing down and has a crazy cap hit but still wow
8m?
That would be crazy
Rob Talks Hockey yeah we need a leafs video soon please lol thanks
if he gets picked up by seattle that’s a huge weight off the shoulders of the sharks
@@UserName-ts3sp Lose a top quality player like that for nothing though?
As a Sens fan I am very happy about the Karlsson trade (now at the time I didn't) but the duchene trade was terrible
I'll disagree, they gave up a lot yes and it didn't work out at all, but one he had another on the deal so that pushes up the compensation and two they were able to recoup some of those picks from Columbus so the hurt was lessened.
@@davidwood2831 yah agreed, looking back on it, the avs got Shane Bowers and Bowen Byram, Ottawa got Lassi Thompson, Vitaly Abromov, and 2 seasons service out of duchene, obviously Byram has more potential than Thompson, but Abromov has more than Bowers, colorado won this trade but not by as much as most people think, but the return they got from nashville in exchange for Turris was ridiculous, also ill add that dzingel wouldnt have been shipped to columbus had we not also had duchene, meaning we wouldnt have gotten an all-star in aanthony duclair
We Got Norris and Stutzle plus Tierney out of this deal. Did not like it at first but Damn it equals out to two top six forwards. Josh Norris will hit the 30+ goal mark this season.
On behalf of Blues fans, I want to personally thank the Sabers for handing us Ryan O’Reilly while taking on some terrible contracts
On behalf of older Blues fans, we can also thank Calgary for handing us Brett Hull for an OK defenseman (Rob Ramage), and a backup goalie (Rick Wamsley).
Tage Thompson is doing really well for them now. ROH literally gave up on the Sabres so they're lucky they got anything for him lol
As a Canucks fan there are two. One that bit us was the Cam Neely trade to Boston, but we also lucked out in the Naslund trade. Great work on the channel. I'm not a huge fan of hockey talk channels, but I do enjoy yours. Keep up the good work man.
Oh and regarding Karlsson...I feel that there has been some inury issues that haven't really been brought to light. And not to mention some major injuries from years gone by that will probably take a toll on his body as goes deeper into his 30's. Hopefully this extended time off has given time to whatever needed to heal. Think Teemu Selane...his career seemed close to being over, but the lockout gave him the time he needed to recoup, and he was lights out from then on.
I recently found your channel and have been loving the content. I'm a Ducks fan and a trade that aged horribly for us was Kyle Palmieri to New Jersey for a 2015 second and 2016 third round pick. Palmieri is a 25+ goal scorer per season at a cap hit of 4.65 million a year. Meanwhile Anaheim's offense has suffered mightily. The one deal that aged well for the Ducks and didn't have to wait too long was in the 2011 draft. Anaheim traded the #22 overall pick to Toronto for picks #30 and #39. Toronto picked Tyler Biggs at #22 and Anaheim acquired Rickard Rakell at #30 and John Gibson at #39.
Thanks my dude. And that deal that resulted in Gibson/Rakell is insane. I made a video on it in the past
do best undrafted players
Chico Resch
Martin St. Louis
Dave Poulin
Kelly Kisio
Dino Ciccarelli
Tim Kerr
Joel Otto
Adam Oates
Steve Thomas
Mike Ridley
Boom. Done.
Mark Giordano game over
Chris Kunitz
alex burrows as well
As an Islanders fan, an additional wrinkle in the Reinhart trade was that we had just got done watching him play in our 2015 first round loss to the Caps and it was painfully obvious he wasn't an NHL player. When the trade happened there was zero debate about it in Islanders land; we just traded one of our worst prospects for our new number 1 prospect
Kessel for two 1sts and a 2nd. Rask for Raycroft. A 1st for a later 1st and a 2nd (Tyler Biggs for Rickard Rakell and John Gibson i think)
Fat Man Clips shhhh
Those didn't age horribly they were always horrible.
Then later flipped kessel for kappanen and picks, picks got flipped into anderson. And with kessel on the team were low enough to draft nylander and marner.
I'd take kappanen marner nylander and anderson over 2 firsts, especially when the leafs scouts where awful those 2 years no guarantee they would have drafted who Boston had
Leafs also traded down when they drafted Grant Marshall and Branden Convery. Isles took Darius Kasparaitus with that pick
KONP that’s true
Crazy you’ve gained almost 60 plus thousand subscribers since uploading this that’s crazy you said at the time of this that you had just over 20 that’s crazy man keep doing you and keep getting to where you wanna be hope you see this 🤙🤙🤙
ya I hate that hamilton trade but they had to pick krug or hamilton. I also think the seguin trade was terrible.
As a flames fan, I love the Hamilton trade
I get so excited when I see you upload a video! Hats off to you, you deserve all the success that’s coming your way. Keep up the good work
Thanks dude. Truly means a lot
Congrats on 20K subscribers. You have one more.
"comment down below if your team has made a trade that aged horribly"
Oilers fans: *cracks knuckles* this could take a while
Bro, I'm super happy that you're doing great and I really enjoy your videos. Keep it up the good work!
Thanks dude! Appreciate it
March 13th, 1996
Toronto Aquires: D.J Smith, Mathieu Schneider and an Aging Wendel Clark
for
New York Islanders: Sean Haggerty, Darby Henrickson, Kenny Johnsson and a 1st round Pick
Initially this trade looked fairly good. Clark, while not as effective as his first stint with the Maple Leafs, was still and effective player. Mathieu Schneider was seen as a good to great defenceman and DJ Smith (Ottawa's Current Head Coach) was a pretty good prospect. Meanwhile Darby Henrickson and Sean Haggerty ended up playing less than half a season combined for the Islanders, and Kenny Johnsson was a solid/dependable top 4 d-man. Seems pretty decent at first, almost even, maybe even a little tilted towards the Maple Leafs.
With the 1st round pick, the New York Islanders choose future Hall of Fame Goaltender Roberto Luongo, and Mathieu Schneider is a bust in Toronto, Wendel Clark is often injured and the Leafs miss the playoffs in '97 and '98 despite having one of the highest payrolls in hockey.
This however lead to one of the most lopsided trades in Islanders history because on
June 24th, 2000
New York Islanders Aquires: Mark Parrish and Oleg Kvasha
for
Florida Panthers Aquire: Roberto Luongo and Olli Jokinen
That was bad at the time and worse now... off Milbury
You forget the Leafs were in the middle of two playoff runs that brought them to the Semis. Luongo never would of made it in a market like Toronto anyways. Trading Rask for Raycroft however is one they probably want back.
The thing people kinda forget (and rightfully so) is that, minus a terrible call and complete collapse by the Knights, the Sharks were a first round exit team in 2019. They really weren't a team "2 wins away from the Finals." Or even 3 wins, if you want to discount that handpass goal. Yes the Sharks were opportunistic in that Knights game, but honestly, that was 20% a bad call, 70% the Knights forgetting how to hockey, and 10% the Sharks being a good team. The Sharks collapse this season never shocked me...they were a first round exit team disguised as one 2 wins away from the Finals.
I'm really enjoying the videos. It's clear you put the time and research into making the videos. They're well informed and fun to watch
Not only did the Sharks overpay for Karlsson in salary and assets to get him, Karlsson just hasn't been as good as he was before that 2017 ECF run on the Sens. His ankle surgery has hindered him greatly and, sadly, without his world class speed Karlsson isn't Karlsson. A lot of his playmaking depended on his agility and acceleration, to get deep into the zone and then absolutely fly back up the ice into his d zone to defend. He just doesn't have that anymore. Josh Norris became a point per game rookie in the AHL this year and won rookie of the year. Chris Tierney is alright, DeMelo was great for us. Plus the 3rd overall. All icing on the cake.
He will bounce back ,Burns need to go .
So glad to see you're channel is doing well for you man :) As a fellow Canucks fan I am so pumped to have the season returning and you gave me my hockey fix in the meantime! Now then...do we hope the Canucks get into the playoffs or hope they get a chance at number 1!
Thanks dude. I am ecstatic. Still don't want to get my hopes up, but I am pumped to see them back on the ice
Erat trade always gets overlooked when these types of lists are compiled. Glad you included
When the Sharks acquired Karlsson I thought the deal was suspect at best considering at that point Karlsson was already on one and a half legs after the repeated injuries. He's just not the same player.
Hey Rob, big fan of your content! As a college student who’s taken public speaking classes the only part that bothers me with your videos is how you look down to your notes on camera. I understand this is how public speaking is done (and I do this myself during my speeches) but I have a suggestion to offer! If you were to look at a piece of paper placed near your camera lens that could work or putting your notes onto a laptop. Keep up the great work and congrats on 20,000 subscribers!
As a sharks fan I can’t even begin to describe how soul crushing the Erik Karlsson trade has been. You actually made it sound better than it is. We could have Stuetzel or Byfeild but instead we have 92 million dollar defensemen who’s well past his prime.
I think Karlsson still has another 4/5 great seasons. If goaltending can get it together, you guys will be fine
I’m hoping that because of the extended off season he can finally get 100% healthy. I think that will go a long way for his game.
The Sharks definitely have more issues than just Karlsson, but he's a very easy scapegoat given the size of his contract.
There were a lot of underperforming players this year, and I would argue Jones and Vlasic are both on much worse contracts - you could even argue Burns at $8mil a year until the age of 40(!) is the worst on the Sharks given his seeming regression this year
Karlsson was a huge mistake essentially he replaced Pavs who was very much an intangible leader for the sharks. I’d rather have burns and Jones. Yes players underplayed but I feel that’s a lack of leadership.
Burns need to be traded #65 Ek will bounce back once Burns is gone .
theretiringbarber nah dog. Karlsson is a injury proned bust who will only decline. Burns has the chemistry to be fairly consistent he will decline also but contract is way better than karlson
Wild fan here. The Burns trade aged terribly, the Hanzal and Ryan White deadline deal aged terribly, and although the Vegas expansion trade of Tuch and Haula hasn’t aged that horribly yet, Tuch would be a great player on the Wild this season, as they literally only have 2 right shot forwards. On the bright side, the Fiala-Granlund trade looks like a big win for the Wild
I’ll admit I’m not in love with the price my Sharks paid for EK65 ($9.5/8yrs would’ve been better), but at this point I feel he’s catching a bad rap for misguided reasons.
1. He’s never not generated less than 0.7ppg (normally he’s in the 0.9+ppg range, which is insane for a defenseman).
2. The Sharks lost an entire 2nd line this year, which hamstrung our scoring up front.
3. Our 1A goalie was the most overworked goalie in the entire NHL, and that fatigue finally caught up to him after four years of 60+ reg season games and deep playoff runs.
4. Our former coach failed to revise the play strategy for the new team, so nobody had much guidance.
5. A disjointed locker room vibe left everyone sour until they pulled it together halfway through the season.
6. Loss of old leadership, beginning of new leadership, and...
7. INJURIES!!!!
I know it’s easy to put all this on the EK65 trade, but if we didn’t sign him we’d have lost picks, prospects, and whatnot for nothing. I also get that it’s frustrating we don’t have our own pick (only because it’s 3rd overall this year), but I think we’re forgetting a few important things: a) there’s no way we could’ve known things would go this south this year (in fact, I think all the GMs were under the impression the cap would go up a lot last year), and b) we acquired another 2020 1st round pick which happens to be in the range that we normally pick every year with our own, exceptions being 2007 and 2015 (y’know, the only years where we’ve missed the playoffs during two decades!).
tl;dr... the Sharks will be ok!
I’ve been saying the same thing all season. While the Karlsson trade may seem like a blunder, there were many other factors that led to the sharks poor season. I have full confidence that Doug Wilson can figure out a way to bolster this roster and the team will turn it around next season.
Nathan Baca Fer sher!! There’s also a lot of talk about how tight our cap situation is this year, but we have, like, the 7th best cap room in the league, no expensive UFAs or RFAs to sign, and only need to add a top-6 forward and a 1B goalie. We will be fine!
Welcome to bring a Sens fan during the 2017-2018 season. No one could had predicted the fall from grace they had after the Duchene trade. We got that key center who can just dominate with Mark Stone, Mike Hoffman and to put less pressure on Karlsson having to make all those insane plays he made. That and Turris has not been the same since joining Nashville and Duchene turned out to be a massive upgrade for us. And that pick we gave up we thought would be a mid-rounder at best.
However,
1) Our Coach at the time Guy Boucher did not adapt to people figuring us out.
2) That we'd suffer some serious injuries that season.
3) that it turns out Hoffman's fiancee is a massive (insert your flavor text).
4) That there'd be such bad blood in the locker room between Karlsson and Hoffman. Which just ruined the team chemistry and they just looked like they gave up halfway through the season.
5) That the wheels finally came off Anderson's game.
6) Melnyk...
It was an unpredictable collapse and all Sens fans were mortified to give Colorado a 4th Overall pick in 2019. But, it turns out cleaning the locker room of that bad karma had been good for the Sens. We have a strong leadership core of Tkachuk, Chabot and Duclair. And our prospects have not been this good since the mid-90s between Batherson, Brainstorm, Norris and add either Byfield or Stutzle we'll be in great shape and contending again in no time.
We want to see King Karl do well and Sens fans will be cheering for the Sharks to turn it around next year. But, we know it will sting you guys if we do transition to Contender status due to the trade. Sometimes it just happens.
As an AVS fan, 1. I love Joonis Donskoi. He’s a beast. 2. I think the biggest issue with Karlsson isn’t necessarily what he brings to the table, because he really is a super star. It’s what the sharks lost due to his price tag. Donskoi and Pavelski hurt.
the problem is vlassic burns and karlsson are all 30+ now and on the books for 27m for the next 5 years 11.5m for karlsson 8m for burns, and 7 mill for vlassic, then you are paying jones about 6m for pretty much fringe starter results this year for 5 more years 33m in those 4 players, not to mention burns seems like he is starting to show some regression, and karlsson was never the same player after the 2017 playoff run when he played on his gimped feet, he already had some pivot troubles from the cooke incident... i think the sharks have about 9? million to work with, but the window is closing, they need to trade burns very soon or he will turn into a seabrook contract
Everyone needs to get over the narrative that Edmonton "lost" Barzal in the Reinhart trade. Edmonton was never going to make such a good drafting decision with that pick. 100% they would have taken Svechnikov. 100%.
RE: Hamilton trade. I do agree that Senyshyn wasn’t a good pick for the Bruins, but the two second picks they received in the Hamilton trade weren’t exactly busts.
#45 Jakob Forsbacka Karlsson showed that he is a solid Bottom 6 two way player at the NHL level. He moved to the United States from Sweden at 17. After 6 years playing stateside, he wanted to play closer to his family for the 2019-20 season. He fully intendeds to play for the Bruins organization and I expect to see him in camp next season.
#52 Jeremy Lauzon has earned himself a Top 6 D job in Boston over the last few months. He’s not a big point D-Man, but he’s a solid defensemen who has a great hockey iq. He’s also not afraid to stick up for his teammates and is signed through 2021-22.
Yes you are completely correct. I just still can't wrap my head around potentially 2 bottom 6 players and a bottom pairing defensemen for a 20 year old defender that was only showing Norris qualities
Rob Talks Hockey Well, the situation the Bruins were put in at that time, was that Brian Burke and Calgary were going to offer sheet Hamilton.
The Bruins had offered him the almost the exact same contract he ended up getting in Calgary, but he rejected the offer. At the time they really didn’t cap room to match an offer sheet for over $6 million, nor did they want to keep Hamilton there if he didn’t want to play for the organization. They already had Chara, Krug, Seidenberg, Mcquaid, K. Miller, Morrow and C. Miller at D. Plus they were all signed through that next year. So instead of taking the compensation from the offer sheet(a 1st, 2nd & 3rd round pick), they traded him for the 1st and two 2nd’s. So it netted them a 2nd instead of 3rd with the offer sheet, and you get assets for a player that didn’t want to play for your organization.
@@BruTangClanHockeyCards yeah but the problems with getting a first and two seconds, you need to draft something good. I get it they were in an impossible situation with the cap and Hamilton contracts but at least make it count with those drafts picks. Especially since the early 2010's, its easier to find a good player in the first 2 rounds. The scouts are better than they were in the 90's...
As a Penguins fan, it pains me to say that I was expecting to see the trade of Markus Naslund to Vancouver for Alex Stojanov (if memory serves me correctly) make this list.
As a Canucks Fan I do remember that trade; a future firefighter (Stojanov) for a future franchise player (Naslund) as it was probably the best trade in Canucks franchise history. But I know I should not gloat as we traded away Cam Neely for Barry Pederson (one of the worst trades in NHL history)
Saying the Oilers didn't scout Reinhart is the dumbest thing you could ever say. He played for the Oil Kings in juniors. No other nhl team would have scouted him more. That was probably a big part of why they had the bias from knowing him so well and seeing him win the Memorial Cup and have such a good juniors career.
I am from the future. It turned out, playing with Eichel was awful, as he was an egotistical and arrogant player that was toxic in the dressing room... and once he left, Skinner's numbers went back to normal, scoring over 30 goals in the 2021-22 season. In fact, Skinner would go on to play with Tage Thompson and Alex Tuch to form an incredibly productive line with 4.06 goals per 60 minutes of ice time, making him a part of the 11th best line in the entire NHL
Fun video! New subscriber, and a Leaf fan. I can name many many trades that did not age well, ha! Thanks for the enjoyable content!
Congrats on 20k brother! By a country mile this is the best hockey channel on RUclips!
Thanks my dude. Appreciate it
One thing that has to be appreciated when commenting on trades in today's NHL is the Salary Cap. Also the "No Trade" that most elite players have. Makes trading guys a lot more challenging, like Buffalo experienced in trading Hall to Boston. They had their hands tied so really to get anything may have been a win in their case?
Well, in the cap era there are more to trades than just evaluating skill - not only that but trades are way more complicated than most fans think, also it's pretty easy to judge a trade in hindsight..... I mean I'm 40-years-old and have been a hockey fan - especially a Hawks fan for 35-years so I have seem my fair share of trades that on face value were horrible at the time but aged profoundly well and I have seen my fair shaRe of trades that were just terrible when they were made and I have seen my fair share of trades where a team hands down won the trade in the short-run but lost the trade in the long-run.
To be honest, I really don't think a trade involving high picks (first or second round picks) is that bad if a team is trading away, say a top 6 forward in his late 20's for say a 1st & 3rd round picks + a role player or prospect as an example.... And look, it's not always true that the team that gets the best player wins the trade, especially when picks are involved because you don't know how those picks are going to turn out.... I mean right now there are dozens of players that were drafted in later rounds whom you would NEVER trade for players that were drafted in higher rounds from the same draft class.... I mean if I have a confident and competent scouting staff I would have no issue trading a non-core albatross player for picks and prospects, because odds are you will get a player just as good if not better depending on your scouting staff....
I suppose my point is it's really difficult to blame a GM or a team for trading a top 6 or top 4 pairing d-man for a few picks - besides fans really don't know the circumstances behind the trade the demand for said player - especially when it comes to the salary cap... I mean you could have a team that wants a player but would have to send salary back to acquire that player but the team trading the player is trading him to shed cap despite the the fact that the interested team was the one that made the best offer.....
The ultimate trades that age badly are ones that loomed great at the time. The reinhart trade was always bad. Although he was taken in expansion, which meant we didnt lose another player (prob Khaira).
Ryan O'Riely to the Blues for some overpaid baggage...thanks Buffalo!!
In 2005 the Sharks traded for a player named Joe Thornton. What a huge trade! Scoring titles! Division Titles! President's Trophy! Now 15 years later the guy just won't retire. You're a fucking dinosaur Joe, please fucking retire.
REMEMBER when the Sharks traded for Teemu Selanne? Unremarkable in San Jose. Needed a knee surgery. I don't think he ever wanted to be on the Sharks to begin with. Oh and HE MISSED A FUCKING SLAM DUNK WRAPAROUND IN GAME 7 AGAINST THE AVALANCHE. THEN he decides, you know what, I'm gonna take a pay cut and go join my buddy Paul Kariya in Colorado where he LOST TO THE SHARKS in 2003! HAHAHAHAHAHA
Also the Sharks traded for perhaps the most overrated defenseman of all time: Erik Karlsson. What's so great about this guy again? What, cause he can score goals? That's great but he's garbage at defense. Just watch the Blues series in the 2019 playoffs.
Then there was the whole Ed Belfour fiasco where he referred to his fellow Shark teammates as "losers" to the media.
And there's more bad trades for the Sharks, but these are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.
As a Caps fan, thank goodness Vrana is coming into his own. Feels like a Forsberg in the making.. only many years later.
Yep. Vrana is a stud!
@@RobTalksHockey Happy for the channel growth. Hopefully it'll get even stronger once the Playoffs start. All the best.
That didnt age well neither🤣🤣
Good for you Rob!! I love this channel and I wish you all the best!
Absolutely love your content Rob, keep chasing your passion, you're great at what you do!
Thank you : ) really appreciate that!
This list could be just Sens trades.
The Sens trade Yashin (aged badly for NYI)
The Sens trade Karlsson (aged badly for San Jose)
The Sens trade Zibanejad
The Sens trade Ben Bishop in his prime
The Sens trade for Duchene
7 months later and Karlsson and Skinner have somehow gotten much worse.
Hockey RUclipsrs are extremely underrated
I still think the sharks won that trade by far. Karlsson is one of the best players of the 2010s and still has years ahead of him on a very strong team. Unfortunately he has been injured.
Josh Norris is easily going to be a 30-40 goal scorer in a year or two. The Senators are getting Stutzle(Comparable to Patrick Kane) or Byfield(Comparable to Malkin), they have a ridiculous anount of draft picks now, Chris Tierney and Balcers who are NHL players. I can’t see it. This is only going to get worse, Karlsson will be cooked in 2-3 seasons.
Nathaniel Gordon I’m not sure about josh Norris but I agree on the rest
@@nathanielgordon1631 looks like sens won this trade lol
Ya as a sharks fan that one hurts...bad. But it was an effort to make a cup run and honestly Vlasic and Karlsson looked unstoppable at times. Thank goodness Hertl was an allstar this year ;). Great video as always!
Not sure if this has been pointed out, but Ottawa also received Rudolfs Balcers. Plus one of the conditional picks turned into a 2021 2nd rounder, not a 3rd rounder. Great video!
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Edmonton had Darnell Nurse, a first rounder in 2013 as a top defenceman prospect when they traded for Reinhart too 😂
Dude I live in RI and I'm so glad Boston got rid of Dougie H. because he is a massive weirdo. There were so many reports about him being a fuckin jerk or just plain off the charts weird then he asked for like 10 mill a year and proceeded to not be likable at all. So I gotta disagree with you on that last one. I mean Boston is a really good team right now and like you said Dougie has a broken leg. There will always be something with that guy. Always. He was an albatross waiting to happen. But Boston did have some shitty picks for him. I mean they might pan out you don't know yet. Boston could be sitting on a gold mine. It's hard to crack that line up and none of those dudes has been given the opportunity for significant ice time. Boston is not rebuilding so this trade to me looks petty fuckin good.
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Trade that aged horribly wrong. The Kyle quincy trade. He was traded for a 1st round pick and that 1st round pick became vasy
I’m late but in 2016. My Minnesota wild traded a first rounder in 2017 and a 2nd on 2018 for a rental in Martin Hanzal who did nothing.
That first rounder could have been used on…… Jake Oettinger. Who just eliminated the wild from the playoffs. Not aging very well especially when we needed a goalie for the future at the time
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Way before many may remember, but the Avalanche traded away Chris Drury and Stephan Yelle to Calgary for Derrick Morris and Jeff Chance. Terrible, terrible trade, and it was the beginning of the end from that great Avalanche team of the Sakic/Forsberg era.
LOL @ the Jeopardy! music playing over the Who Wants to be a Millionaire? screen.
I’m not sure if I remember Pittsburgh making any horrible trades. They probably have but all their amazing pickups over the years definitely outweigh them
what about the that 3 way trade that sent Kyle Quincey to Detroit for a draft pick which ended up being Vasilevsky. Quicney was an okay dman but that trade was so one sided after Tampa selected Vasilevsky
I am going to Vancouver in two days, maybe I will run into Rob! LOL
Do you know how big Vancouver is?
And I don’t think Rob leaves the house much.
He live in Alberta
Yep currently in Alberta haha
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Toffoli for madden & a 2nd round pick was a GOOD TRADE . Last i checked Toffoli & pearson came from a team that won 2 CUPS & they know how to win & they are fairly young. The Canucks need more guys that can get the job done! The Oilers needed those draft picks. Giving away Eberle a proven 30 goal scorer.Losing picks for reinhart . Chiarelli set the team back & all he had to do was get them into the playoffs --- the Oilers are a special team when in the playoffs. Always a dangerous team.
I love the videos so much Rob. Keep up the hard work, you’re doing a really good job.
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First time I'm catching your channel. I'm just a minute thirty into your video and I see you're a Canucks fan. Another Canucks fan. LOL. That's ok I like the Canucks. Before I even watch your video, I think I'm going to enjoy it. And before I watch I want to say the worst trade/deal ever was San Jose trading for Erik Karlsson and then paying him mega bucks. I knew before this trade Karlsson had already seen his best days and that this deal was a huge mistake by Doug Wilson. (I know by your thumbnail Karlsson is already on your list). Last season was worse than even I imagined and the Sharks are going to regret having Karlsson on their team for years and years. Now I'll watch the video. I'll let you know what I think afterwards.
Love the Hughes jersey in the background!
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When people say Oilers still cant make the playoffs or theyre still bad before this season. I dont think they realized how much of the tools Chiarelli had to make a cup contending team. He just seemed to give them away and make things worst with huge long term contracts to players out of their prime
There were (and still are **super-secret inside source**) huge issues in the dressing room, just listen to Andrew Ference talk about his time there. I feel bad for Chiarelli in a way. I'm a Flames/Bruins fan and I was definitely worried when he was brought in not long after winning a Stanley cup and making another final, along with him bringing in a bunch of ex-Bruins. I think Chiarelli stepped in there with a dysfunctional (compared to the Bruins- look at how tight they still are as a group) team and didn't know what the fuck to do. He gave away a lot of talent trying to make the team gel, but it never really happened.
Don’t know if it’s totally horrible, but the Trade for draft considerations in the VGK expansion for the Ducks hurt a lot. Shea Theodore is money.
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great vids man keep it up
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I think when evaluating a trade involving draft picks you're putting too much emphasis on how the eventual draft pick turned out. A lot of that is luck. And the Karlsson trade right now looks a lot like the Duchene trade from the opposite side.
Toronto trades Tuukka Rask for Andrew Raycroft, Toronto trades a 1st round pick for Tom Kurvers that pick became Scott Niedermayer
Jeff Skinner was a joke. Not a team player, liability whenever he was on the ice. His defensive ability was a joke. He was such a liability he couldn't even get on the ice during OT.
The Jeff Skinner trade been horrible for Buffalo... the winner obviously was Carolina. Now Sabres are stuck with a mediocre player,
who can or cannot have another 30 goal and 60 point season, who gets paid tons of money for years to come and cap hit of¨
9 mill until 2027. One of the worst contracts in the NHL.
As a Preds fan, trading Weber for Subban has aged horribly.
Islanders trading Zdeno Chara... I cried.
It's not really fair to have Skinner in this. The trade itself was a steal, acquiring a 40 goal scorer for peanuts. The contract is the only issue, and that's completely separate from the initial trade.
That is true. But Skinner being the main asset in the trade. Has aged very poorly from an asset management pov
Mad Mike (Milbury) of the Islanders traded the 2nd overall pick in 2001 draft (Jason Spezza) and Zdeno Chara to Ottawa for Alexei Yashin. Chara and Spezza became stars. Yashin only scored 30 goals once for the Isles and was eventually bought out.
Avalanche draft Cale Makar, get Sam Gerard, & more for Matt Duchene. Sakic is becoming as good of a general manager as he was a professional NHL player!
Considering the Barzal pick originally belonged to the Pens, who shipped it to Edmonton for vanishing act-mode Perron...
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Great videos bro. Keep it up. We need more
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Congrats on 20k subs! You deserve it!
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Rask for Raycroft, Garry Unger for Red Berenson, Esposito to the Bruins
2:15 don’t forget the goodrow trade, he was traded for a first
Barclay is underrated though.
In 2021 he have 40k 🤣 GG bro
That Karlsson trade has turned out quite well for Ottawa so far.