@@fastidioussloth6013 All the symphonies mentioned in this thread are very fine indeed and represent examples of the greatest ever sturm und drang symphonies, most of which were written by Haydn. Charles Rosen in one of the standard texts on music of the period - The Classical Style (1971) - wrote that at this time c.1772, Haydn was writing music: ‘…on a level that no other composer of Haydn’s time could equal or even approach’. For anyone interested in learning more about these exceptional and unique works written over Haydn’s sturm und drang period, the following list might be a useful guide. Haydn wrote 19 symphonies where the particular characteristics of the style are evident to a greater extent (the minor key works) or a lesser extent (the major key ones). Haydn’s sturm und drang symphonies. 26* 35 38 39* 41 42 43 44* 45* 46 47 48 49* 50 51 52* 58 59 64 (Some may increase the number to 21 by adding Symphonies 22 and 34*). * Minor key symphonies Note: numerically listed, not chronologically listed.
@@Amaglabiddiaghloughbuite Not to the extent that composers such as Mozart, Bach and Beethoven have received, but he was looked highly upon by composers and musicians for centuries.
@@ClassicalMusic2002 I know for whatever reason, Haydn isn't as highly regarded as those three great composers, but I actually prefer listening to Haydn more than any other composer. His music is always satisfying and puts me in a good mood--truly "elevator" music, in a good way.
"Funebre" (1771 ca) Non si conosce né l'inventore del titolo né la sua attribuzione ad una sinfonia impegnata e seria, ma tutt'altro che lugubre. E' verosimile supporre che l'appellativo sia collegato ad un dato biografico. Molti anni dopo avere composto la sinfonia, Haydn dichiarò di ricordare con commozione l'adagio e di volerlo come accompagnamento al proprio funerale. Il desiderio non fu realizzato, ma se ne tenne conto ugualmente nel settembre del 1809 a Berlino, introducendo l'adagio tra le musiche di un concerto commemorativo pochi mesi la morte del compositore. Adagio: E' il primo grande adagio di Haydn, tenuto conto che, per il loro carattere particolare, quelli della Lamantatione (n.26) e della Passione (n. 49) stanno in una categoria a sé. Qui il compositore si abbandona ad un canto che è il riflesso del suo stato d'animo triste, ma sostanzialmente fiducioso. La parte culminante non è la melodia principale, dalla purezza haendeliana, bensì il crescendo con cui essa si risolve in un pensiero di rara dolcezza. A questo punto entrano i corni aggiungendo un elemento timbrico determinante che annulla per qualche istante l'effetto gradevole, ma un poco artificiale, della sordina degli archi, procedimento che Haydn usa con insistenza. La pagina presenta altri momenti entusiasmanti pur non essendo priva di compiacenze arcaiche come il ritmo puntato e le molte terzine. LDC
Non sono d´accordo. Questa è una sinfonia sopravvalutata, a causa del mito assurdo che Haydn sceglie l'adagio noioso e superficiale, tipico dello "stile galante", da eseguirsi al suo funerale. Haydn ha scritto molti adagios sinfonici più belli e profondi, come quelli delle Sinfonie 5, 13, 21, 26, 32, 34, 49, 75 e 99. Il minueto è anche noioso. L'ultimo movimento è il vero gioiello di questa sinfonia
carlos e. galiano Anche in italiano… Non sono d’accordo assolutamente; questa è una grande sinfonia in tutti e quattro movimenti e non è sopravvalutato. È una sinfonia profonda, appassionata, e bella, tipico dello stile ‘sturm und drang’; forse il tuo giudizio è sbagliato.
I am usually very much in agreement with Christopher Hogwood about doing the repeats in Haydn symphonies, but in the case of the first movement here I think the recapitulation and conclusion are so sublime that actually to play the repeat cheapens them.
I'm afraid that I completely disagree with Hogwood on this issue. Doing so became part of his downfall, sadly. Haydn may have marked repeats but these are for commercial not artistic reasons.
I do not agree. Hogwood is recreating an historically accurate performance here, including instruments of Haydn's time. There was no Internet then, no recordings. Once a listener heard a melody, they were given another immediate chance to hear it with the repeats. When would they ever expect to hear this symphony again? For most, the answer was most likely "never". In this instance of a single hearing, especially, the repeats - which I happen to like a lot - seem perfectly in place. For me, the key to appreciating Haydn to the fullest is in mentally placing myself in the time he wrote this wonderful music. Living under a monarchy, with no indoor plumbing, terrible medicine, poor understanding of basic scientific principles, slow travel and glacial information flow, questionable educational attainment by citizens, and a generally unhealthy environment by present-day standards - to me it is a miracle (NPI) that he created such a huge and rich body of art - at all.
@@lymanmj You make some good points, the only thing that I would add is that a failure to observe a da capo (repeat) instruction in the score has the effect of unbalancing both the movement and the work as a whole. Mozart, Haydn, and then Beethoven *all occasionally removed the da capo marking when they specifically wanted no repeat,* - we must therefore assume that *they specifically DID want them playing at all other times* and therefore expected their works to be played as indicated. The da capo marking should not treated as a take-it-or-leave-it optional suggestion to the conductor. One final example to illustrate this: it is clear that Beethoven thought long and hard about whether or not there should be a da capo mark at the end of the first movement exposition of the ‘Eroica’ symphony; he decided he did want it - matter decided. (Beethoven also said that he hoped his music would be played exactly as he intended, we know this is true of Mozart and Haydn as well - cf. Haydn’s Applausus letter for example).
How can you indeed? Especially on a non-monetized channel. Please contact youtube support. If we're enough people complaining, maybe they'll do something about it (now I'm being so naive...)
@@ComposersbyNumbers yes, i hope they do, but i doubt seriously of their will to do good rather than to make Money... Btw, excuse my english and the faults Have a nice day
The Adagio easily takes the cake for the best piece of music ever written, in my opinion, of course.
This is one of my favourite symphonies from Haydn no 44 and 48
Same!
Same here but I would include no 43.
@@fastidioussloth6013
All the symphonies mentioned in this thread are very fine indeed and represent examples of the greatest ever sturm und drang symphonies, most of which were written by Haydn.
Charles Rosen in one of the standard texts on music of the period - The Classical Style (1971) - wrote that at this time c.1772, Haydn was writing music:
‘…on a level that no other composer of Haydn’s time could equal or even approach’.
For anyone interested in learning more about these exceptional and unique works written over Haydn’s sturm und drang period, the following list might be a useful guide.
Haydn wrote 19 symphonies where the particular characteristics of the style are evident to a greater extent (the minor key works) or a lesser extent (the major key ones).
Haydn’s sturm und drang symphonies.
26*
35
38
39*
41
42
43
44*
45*
46
47
48
49*
50
51
52*
58
59
64
(Some may increase the number to 21 by adding Symphonies 22 and 34*).
* Minor key symphonies
Note: numerically listed, not chronologically listed.
Surely one of Haydn's best.
Sempre stata tra le mie sinfonie preferite di Haydn
СПАСИБО БОЛЬШОЕ за замечательную музыку!!! ( 3. Adagio (14:42)
Я очень благодарна Вам.
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Wunderbar
素晴らしい音源有り難うございます。👏👏🥰
all the fantastic composers of the 18th century have no equal today.
Did all 18th century listeners think the music of the 16th century was unequaled?
Probably not, Tallis, Monteverdi, Allegri, and Gibbons were all very respected.
@@ClassicalMusic2002 I've always wondered about Tallis, as brilliant as he was, did he ever get a legacy on the continent after he died?
@@Amaglabiddiaghloughbuite Not to the extent that composers such as Mozart, Bach and Beethoven have received, but he was looked highly upon by composers and musicians for centuries.
@@ClassicalMusic2002 I know for whatever reason, Haydn isn't as highly regarded as those three great composers, but I actually prefer listening to Haydn more than any other composer. His music is always satisfying and puts me in a good mood--truly "elevator" music, in a good way.
Elle rappelle magnifiquement la n° 6 tout en la redessinant complètement
"Funebre" (1771 ca) Non si conosce né l'inventore del titolo né la sua attribuzione ad una sinfonia impegnata e seria, ma tutt'altro che lugubre. E' verosimile supporre che l'appellativo sia collegato ad un dato biografico. Molti anni dopo avere composto la sinfonia, Haydn dichiarò di ricordare con commozione l'adagio e di volerlo come
accompagnamento al proprio funerale. Il desiderio non fu realizzato, ma se ne tenne conto ugualmente nel settembre del 1809 a Berlino, introducendo l'adagio tra le musiche di un concerto commemorativo pochi mesi la morte del compositore. Adagio: E' il primo grande adagio di Haydn, tenuto conto che, per il loro carattere particolare, quelli della Lamantatione (n.26) e della Passione (n. 49) stanno in una categoria a sé. Qui il compositore si abbandona ad un canto che è il riflesso del suo stato d'animo triste, ma sostanzialmente fiducioso. La parte culminante non è la melodia principale, dalla purezza haendeliana, bensì il crescendo con cui essa si risolve in un pensiero di rara dolcezza. A questo punto entrano i corni aggiungendo un elemento timbrico determinante che annulla per qualche istante l'effetto gradevole, ma un poco artificiale, della sordina degli archi, procedimento che Haydn usa con insistenza. La pagina presenta altri momenti entusiasmanti pur non essendo priva di compiacenze arcaiche come il ritmo puntato e le molte terzine. LDC
Non sono d´accordo. Questa è una sinfonia sopravvalutata, a causa del mito assurdo che Haydn sceglie l'adagio noioso e superficiale, tipico dello "stile galante", da eseguirsi al suo funerale. Haydn ha scritto molti adagios sinfonici più belli e profondi, come quelli delle Sinfonie 5, 13, 21, 26, 32, 34, 49, 75 e 99. Il minueto è anche noioso. L'ultimo movimento è il vero gioiello di questa sinfonia
carlos e. galiano
Anche in italiano…
Non sono d’accordo assolutamente; questa è una grande sinfonia in tutti e quattro movimenti e non è sopravvalutato.
È una sinfonia profonda, appassionata, e bella, tipico dello stile ‘sturm und drang’; forse il tuo giudizio è sbagliato.
4:32 ❤️
👏👏❣️❣️
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I am usually very much in agreement with Christopher Hogwood about doing the repeats in Haydn symphonies, but in the case of the first movement here I think the recapitulation and conclusion are so sublime that actually to play the repeat cheapens them.
I'm afraid that I completely disagree with Hogwood on this issue. Doing so became part of his downfall, sadly. Haydn may have marked repeats but these are for commercial not artistic reasons.
I do not agree. Hogwood is recreating an historically accurate performance here, including instruments of Haydn's time. There was no Internet then, no recordings. Once a listener heard a melody, they were given another immediate chance to hear it with the repeats. When would they ever expect to hear this symphony again? For most, the answer was most likely "never". In this instance of a single hearing, especially, the repeats - which I happen to like a lot - seem perfectly in place.
For me, the key to appreciating Haydn to the fullest is in mentally placing myself in the time he wrote this wonderful music. Living under a monarchy, with no indoor plumbing, terrible medicine, poor understanding of basic scientific principles, slow travel and glacial information flow, questionable educational attainment by citizens, and a generally unhealthy environment by present-day standards - to me it is a miracle (NPI) that he created such a huge and rich body of art - at all.
@@lymanmj
You make some good points, the only thing that I would add is that a failure to observe a da capo (repeat) instruction in the score has the effect of unbalancing both the movement and the work as a whole.
Mozart, Haydn, and then Beethoven *all occasionally removed the da capo marking when they specifically wanted no repeat,* - we must therefore assume that *they specifically DID want them playing at all other times* and therefore expected their works to be played as indicated.
The da capo marking should not treated as a take-it-or-leave-it optional suggestion to the conductor.
One final example to illustrate this: it is clear that Beethoven thought long and hard about whether or not there should be a da capo mark at the end of the first movement exposition of the ‘Eroica’ symphony; he decided he did want it - matter decided.
(Beethoven also said that he hoped his music would be played exactly as he intended, we know this is true of Mozart and Haydn as well - cf. Haydn’s Applausus letter for example).
How can you possibily cut in piece this masterpiece with that much ads ! Cochons....
How can you indeed? Especially on a non-monetized channel. Please contact youtube support. If we're enough people complaining, maybe they'll do something about it (now I'm being so naive...)
@@ComposersbyNumbers yes, i hope they do, but i doubt seriously of their will to do good rather than to make Money... Btw, excuse my english and the faults
Have a nice day
First of all - How can you use youtube without adblock or ublock...
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