Dark Road v5.0.1 Updated Cutscenes
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I like the changes to the final fight because it makes it clear Xehanort was struggling with whether to try purging the darkness or just kill Baldr. Though, with the Ventus stuff, I'm still not sure if Xehanort legitimately thought Ventus could be the Child of Prophecy or if he still thought it was himself and was just trying to fool Eraqus.
Or he could see Sora through Ven's connection?
I thought Xehanort was talking about Ventus being the one who can be used to forge the Keyblade, I feel this one makes more sense consider the events of BBS
Or it could be Xehanort really see Ventus as Child of Destiny like himself ... So he try to do what Baldr (who also the Child of Destiny) did to Xehanort ... Guiding the Child of Destiny into the way of darkness ...
Seems to me considering the conversation between Xehanort and Vanitas, that he likely really thought that Ventus was the Child of Destiny.
To me it would seem like Xehanort thought Ventus was the child of destiny because of how Ventus was able to summon a keyblade on destiny island and connect with another heart despite having his heart closed off to the outside world. In reality though, Xehanort was likely looking for Sora as it was Sora's heart that attempted to connect with Ven and not the other way around, but Xehanort misunderstood it as being Ven's heart being able to connect with others.
It would also explain why Xehanort wants to go through with the keyblade war using Ven to summon kingdom hearts, as if Ven is the child of destiny like Xehanort believes, then due to the prophecy Ven would end up saving the world from darkness.
Xehanorts whole relationship with Ven makes a lot more sense now with this update. Xehanort was initially trying to remove the darkness hiding in Ven, it ends up nearly killing him, Xehanort goes to let him die in peace, Ven survives, Xehanort concludes that miracle must be a sign he's the child of destiny, go put him with Eraquis to become stronger, then initiate the keyblade war so Ven can fulfill his fate as the child of destiny and save the world from falling to darkness.
Himself and fooling Eraqus
I think it's nice that Player's identity was more obscured through the changes since they were always a character to mirror the person behind the screen. It also adds to the other "official" instances with the Player character, like the black-coated person in the Uχ art as the blue robe in DR.
Strong agree on this, was sort of "immersion-breaking"
That “black coated person” in the cover art of KHUX is actually Striletzia. The coat is actually white, but it appears black due to very specific lighting conditions. It’s to probably hide the fact that it is her. They’re also holding a flower that’s symbolic of young women who suffer a tragic fate. So it’s most likely her. Not the blue robe figure from the ending of Dark Road.
@@elsawithginathedreamdragon3952 Those were also my initial thoughts, but now I'm leaning towards it being Player. Like, why wouldn't the main character being in the cover art? And the flower they are holding could symbolize how Strelitzia only suffered that tragic fate because she was looking for Player in the abandoned house, so the Player is to a degree responsible for Strelitzia's death because if it wasn't for them, she wouldn't have searched the place and wouldn't have gotten struck down by Darkness.
@@maryscary I think the Chirithy is supposed the represent the Player.
@@maryscary I think the main character isn’t on the cover art for the same reason why the Main Character was edited out of the opening memory cutscenes in dark road. We play as a character whose name and appearance is supposed to be unknown. Solely for the fact that we can customize them to have any name, appearance or gender that we want them to have.
If the character appears represented in anyway, like how they originally were in the beginning of Dark Road, then that appearance would be cannon. They first appeared as the generic boy avatar with a yellow outfit. That makes us think the main character is supposed to be male…but my main character was a girl…thus, my perception of the main character I created doesn’t exist in the cannon of the games.
Since they were cut out of the opening cutscenes, we can now project our character’s name and appearance to be what we each chose it to be.
Also, yes the player is somewhat responsible for the “death” of Striletzia, but that has nothing to do with how they are presented in the story. Our main character is just us, interacting with people and traveling to different places. However, after Striletzia’s initial “death”, she appears again and again as a mysterious cloaked character. Is it really her? did she become a nobody? Is this just a version of her recreated from data? There’s so much mystery regarding her, that her appearance on the cover of Union Cross, (directly across from her brother!), just makes more sense. She’s one of the main characters who went missing, but is somehow repeatedly seen…So she’s on the cover of the game along with the main characters who are part of the main cast.
I also appreciate the change to make the distance between Ephemer and Xehanort less precise!
It feels like it was only yesterday when everyone was freaking out about how Xehanort was the player character from KHUX. Dark Road obviously debunked that but I remember the hype from that final cutscene last year.
This is good. Some of these seem like "okay, now the secrets been revealed we can stop being vague" some are like "maybe we shouldn't have gone so hard on this red herring" and then there's "wait, how long does it take to build a town and have it evolve into a huge marble paved city?"
Then there's the final strike. I always felt weird about that scene. It's just like "wow, no hesitation huh Xehanort?" Now it's clear that he does care he just knows "if I'm actually going to do this I need to do it quick so I don't second guess myself."
When I first watched xehanort kill baldr I thought the others telling him to drive out the darkness was just mortals sugarcoating death like hades said. This change makes it much clearer whats happening too which is good, especially with the hesitation
Yeah, I would still like confirmation one day on exactly how many generations Xehanort is from Eraqus, but this definitely was not the time to limit themselves in the timeline lol.
When I first watched the scene I was even more confused. I was like "okay... So both purifying and executing him are just thwacking him with the key?" Because Eraqus' response was the same; *Xehanort goes to thwack* "yes do that drive the darkness out" *Xehanort steps forward still attempting to thwack* "no wait not like that!" lol. I was like "Eraqus how can you even tell what Xehanort is about to do if it's the same motion both ways?" lol.
Muuuch better not just for Xehanort's mindset but like just for discernable function of Keyblades and characters knowing the tangible differences on sight so that we can too.
I do like the two parts were he was gonna keybeam Baldr to expell the darkness, but then at the last second he's like "nah" and then strikes him down. The first of many apparently.
All of the dialogue changes here (except for the "great-great-grandfather" line I think) are just changes to the localisation. The original Japanese remains the same and already had mentions of the "child of destiny". The localisation is simply fixed to match the Japanese more faithfully.
This makes sense. I wondering why the changes.
@@danisle4379 Yeah I was curious about the changes too since there's a quite a few of them. So I went and checked the relevant cutscenes from the Japanese version (thanks to KHInsider) and compared them, and I found out that v5.0.1 English became more like v5.0.0 Japanese. Plus, I can now also confirm that the only dialogue change in the Japanese version is indeed the "great-great-grandfather" → "bloodline" change.
@@LightKeyDarkBlade Translating into English isn't always easy. So, it makes sense that things get lost in translation sometimes.
Thanks again!!
its cool that Square Enix actually takes the time to update small things like this to clarify for fans
I appreciate it :)
@@danisle4379 Most likely accuracy reasons. KH3 had some pretty bad translation issues and Remind fixed a couple of them.
now it's no longer implied that xehanort could have saved baldr but chose to end him instead since he refused to use the light to drive out his darkness
Actually, it seems to imply _even more_ that he could have saved him but chose to end him, I think.
The original scene was more ambiguous since Xehanort seemingly shows no remorse for choosing to end Baldr's life. This version shows some hesitation between driving out the darkness and ending his life.
I think part of the reason why he chose to end him rather than drive the darkness out was because his darkness revolved mostly around the existence of his sister. With his sister gone, even if he were to remove it, it wouldn't remove the agony and loneliness of his life without her. So he chose to kill him so he can be with her.
Honestly, it's hard to even imagine what it would look like for Baldr's darkness to be driven out /because/ it was so tightly intertwined with who he was as a person. He wasn't an innocent kid used by some demonic force to murder his classmates against his will; he went on a mass murdering rampage because he personally believed that the world was a horrible place that deserved to be destroyed.
Not to mention, there are a bunch of narrative threads that would be really weird if Xehanort could have reasonably spared Baldr. The most obvious, of course, is that Vidar expressly sought Kingdom Hearts because he couldn't bring himself to execute Baldr, which wouldn't have made /any/ sense if blasting the darkness out of Baldr was a real option. But both Eraqus' and Xehanort's character arcs make more sense if Baldr's death is necessary, as well.
With regards to Eraqus, it's heavily implied that his experience with Baldr is the reason why he feels like he has to execute Ven. He's wrong about that, obviously, but what makes it wrong isn't so much that Ven's continued existence wasn't a problem as that Ven is innocent (which obviously wasn't true of Baldr) and willing to sacrifice himself to end the threat without Eraqus needing to become a murderer.
With regards to Xehanort, the point of Dark Road seems to be explaining why adult Xehanort sees the world as such a terrible place that -- like Baldr! -- he thinks it needs to be torn down. And that doesn't really work very well if Xehanort believed that Baldr could be saved but killed him anyway, because then it's not that the world's messed up so much as Xehanort's /already/ messed up.
Overall, I'd argue that Xehanort's hesitation in the end seems more like he's having trouble accepting what a truly horrible situation he's found himself in than that he almost did the right thing but changed his mind at the last moment. He'd /like/ to spare Baldr, but not if that could very well result in a mass-murdering psycho getting turned loose on the world again.
I like that better though
Xehanort may have felt that Baldr wouldn’t stop even if the Darkness incarnation was driven out of him
That Baldr was doing this from his own free will while possessed, and wouldn’t stop attacking. He must have thought its safer to strike him down
It actually works as it’s implied the 13 Darknesses can only be destroyed if they take physical form, and while the Darkness possess Baldr it can be defeated
Simply drive it out of him, besides Baldr possibly attacking it’ll simply find a new vessel like Eraqus with his hatred toward darkness making him vulnerable
Whether Xehanort knew this or not, he may have struck Baldr down to protect Eraqus
Oh thank MoM, I didn't feel like watching the whole thing again just to figure out was different
I think my fav edit was baldr's exception. I watched that scene about five times at this point, but it actually caught me off guard from standing to the slice. Nice.
I think the change I like most is the line about Ephemer's relation to Xehanort because it's still technically possible for 5 generations of a family to be alive at the same time. My Great Grandfather is in his 90s, and we have a picture with him, my grandparents, my parents, me and my siblings, and my nephew.
By this logic, Xehanort's "First Mentor" would have clearly been old enough in their second life to have at least reunited with Ephemer.
And since the time of the Lost Masters was so long ago it's seen as "The Land of Fairy Tales," it only makes sense to change line to refer to a bloodline with a vague length of time.
I’m glad they changed the scenes where we see the player. That way it makes the players appearance more decided by the player and not a canon appearance
I’m pretty pleased with the decision to have the KHUX player’s appearance as hidden as possible, and the extra clarity in the dialogue was certainly a surprise, but much appreciated considering clarity is a rare occurrence in the absolute delightful mess that is this series
kingdom hearts is clear the only thing not clear is because of the translators always screwing things up with their lazy translations
@@blackchase6732 _Vietnam flashbacks_ the KH3 translation...
(The KH3 translation isn't great, and it actually gets rid of some of the references KH3 makes to older KH games in the original Japanese.)
Also, weren't some people upset that their little sprite didn't appear? Maybe removing the sprite was just easier.
@@lyndsaybrown8471 Yes, it's almost certainly because they couldn't get the transfer between UX and DR right, and so decided to just obscure it.
I for one do not understand why they didn't just use the player sprite... I'm definitely a little disappointed on that one as I feel the changes made those sequences less personal, more generic. Why couldn't the player character's sprite fill in as a template for those sequences? I mean the sprite data must have been there and reusable and doesn't seem like the task would be that hard to accomplish but given that their team is pretty much non-existent at this point, I suppose it's better this way. Other than that though, I thought the changes were pretty good. Peak/cannon Dark Road in my eyes would definitely have had the player sprite in those sequences.
Is it weird for me to say i like the way he killed Baldr before? The new one makes it seem like a surprise rather than a struggle to execute. But i appreciate his heart still being visible and uneaten by the darkness.
It isn't meant to show Xehanort was struggling to execute. Xehanort was planning to just use the light drive away the true darkness but not execute Baldr in the process. Though both times, he changed his mind.
What Evy Devy said, but also it just makes more sense here.
Like before it doesn't look like there is a difference. Eraqus is like "cool do it" Xehanort walks up with a Keyblade "wait don't do it". Like it illustrates no difference between either, it doesn't even look like Xehanort is making a choice it looks like he already made the choice before walking up as no motion of his changes.
This way it actually shows what each means. Like both DON'T involve vaguely hitting something the right way - because that's what this scene looking like in the first one. We actually see "oh okay he was going to light purify from afar and that's what Eraqus wanted, but straight up bludgeoning him is the other thing that Eraqus is telling him not to do", whereas it felt all like way too vague implication before.
Honestly I feel like it adds impact when he turns the light off and raises the Keyblade. That's way more of an oh shit moment than it was in the first one.
one thing i never got is why they didn't use the design of the KHUx player you chose from the KHUx side? even though the game doesn't work anymore, you can still design the player and watch the cutscenes, and since it's the same app, they could have put the design of your choice in those flashback.
THIS
I believe that was the original intention, as I'm pretty sure your character did appear in the opening cutscene back when the game was still live service. But there were likely some technical complications with the offline version that made them decide to go this route instead.
Old Player: [reminisces previous life]
Young Player: [wears jetpack, afro, star shades, egg armor]
2:43 is actually a huge change. It used to imply Sora would be a vessel for darkness, but not anymore.
well considering DDD, sora was "supposed" to be a vessel for darkness. but then, so were riku and roxas. idk if this update means we're supposed to forget about this specific line completely in case it was meant to refer to future events and not those of DDD, but it could simply speak to xehanort failing to accurately create or predict "destiny" in that regard, if that makes sense. xehanort seemed to believe he himself was the "child of destiny", then later believed it to be ventus, then later riku, and then sora. after ven and riku both became unavailable as the 13th vessel, xehanort tried to claim either sora or other "versions" of sora believing Sora to be the "child", and in the end managed to remember Xion's existence and picked her out at the last minute.
this is part of the reason why i believe that IF the "child of destiny" is supposed to be either Sora or Riku, it'll actually turn out plot-wise to be BOTH of them, given the story so far and the way the two are connected. the "child" will end up being "children", something that potentially not a single character in the entire cast could ever end up predicting, something that defies all notions of "destiny". Nomura has stated repeatedly that the series has always primarily been about Sora and Riku specifically, after all. and i've heard theories that the x-blade as we've seen it was always an incomplete or incorrect version, and the True X-Blade was always Sora and Riku's Combined Keyblade this whole time. a perfect fusion of light and dark.
@@kefkaexdeath I personally interpreted the old line about the dark vessel as Sora being possibly a host for one of the True Darknesses (perhaps that one Darkness that's unaccounted for?) But honestly this update seemed to scrap the whole idea, it must have been some kind of translation error or just rough writing/retcon
I think Sora is the singular Child of Destiny due to Sora being the only person in the entire series to alter history itself, and the Player states that changing history is one of the things the Child of Destiny does.
The change is radical, but this is just a reference to Union X. Ventus was destined to be a "dark vessel" because the Darkness who eventually became Vanitas possessed him because the Book of Prophecies said so. That's why Ventus was destined to be a "dark vessel". But now that line's totally different
@@trexalfa There's still a later line between Xehanort and Vanitas. It was something like "One of the darknesses disguised itself as a warrior of light." That would be Ventus and Vanitas.
To me, this implies that Xehanort knew that Ventus was the dark vessel and simply lied to Eraqus so that he'd be willing to take him in.
I still think its riku. I still believe sora is the ordinary boy who has been involved due to just being in a bad place bad time sorta thing.
Sora is always applied to be the ordinary boy that lived on a tiny island as riku is the boy who seeked darkness to grt off the island but will grow to do great things. Plus the ark riku has been on is special with him harnessing both light and darkness.
The stubby little hand coming out of nowhere in the new version is kind of funny...ngl.
This basically solidifies to me that Player was originally intended to reincarnate into Xehanort as KHUx implied, but when Dark Road flopped and they couldn't use it as a revenue generating platform anymore they came up with the idea for Missing Link instead and modified the reincarnation idea.
why does it solidify that though? i don't think they needed to do it like this in order to get missing link out. reirncarnation part could be just a twist to make another twist with dark road so missing link could be solidifed. and we saw scala as a very different city in ux, i think that proves missing link was planned before
None of the video suggest that the player reincarnated to Xehanort, it’s literally still the same cutscenes, also Player being Xehanort was a terrible twist that not many liked so I’m glad that The player turned out to be the blue robe person
I think the fact that it showed the reincarnation route was to show Xehanort HOW it was possible for him to live another life without time travel or other means he didn't yet know. This set up for his 14th life we still haven't viewed yet, but knowing it was possible.
Damo normally I agree with most of your points when it comes to theory crafting but on this I just can't. It's a classic literary trope to have a red harring to through you off the scent of the truth. And unless they rewrote a large portion of the story I doubt it was changed because the whole point of the child of destiny or false child of destiny if you prefer is that he can feel and experience others feelings and even past experiences to some extent. Personally I only think these scenes were changed to help the western audience and the less involved with series digest the story easier since they dumb down a lot of story points imo
this solidifies nothing as in every cutscene that was shown it showed xehanort and the player reincarnation this was nomura trolling as already done before this has nothing to do with dark road sales nothing was changed or modified where the hell did this bs headcanon come from
dark road didnt flop it was using the same app as ux wich was selling or else it wouldve shutted down a long time ago the game was finsihed so it shutted down these games dont stay around after they finish the story its a gacha game
A part of me wishes they could have changed the thing to adapt to a player's userdata, making use of it so the avatar matches theirs if they have one saved, rather than a generic player avatar. Did we have that before because I feel we never did? Would have been nice seeing my 'Elrena' in place of the usual avatar. One of my accounts was meant to be Larxene's original self. They originally started as Arlene, my name for Larxene's original self, but I ultimately changed the name to match her actual name. Silver was overall main account, though Elrena became the strongest one, late game. Oh, and yeah, I was one of those people with multiple accounts, four in total. I even ran my own little side party (True Alabaska in Anguis) alongside my main party in the later months of the game.
Surely Nomura had realized stating Xehanort is directly Ephemer's great-bla bla-son was being too specific, a capital sin for his way of writing stories. He knew he was closing the doors of introducing wacky plotlines in between by mistake so he retracted from that. Good thing it's been archived.
I still wish they'd used Player's appearance from KHUX. It's not like the assets, data, and code weren't literally right there for them to use. But this is still an improvement, in that at least it doesn't establish a canon appearance.
I thought like huge changes would happen. Really glad it was basically nothing too major
I mean, the entire opening scene was changed, and several direct references to the "child of destiny" were either added or clarified.
@@Gestrid yeah but we already knew that. It only clarifies it more. I expected like retcons or actual changes like a new context for something. The story this game told was already really meaty. Adding new or changing what was, I expected it to be alil big. But I'm glad it was. I dont wanna be over fed with lore. I might miss something
@@tayuyamajik6525 It did remove Xehanort's reference to the Book of Prophecies when he was talking about what his master taught him.
@@Gestrid that's not too important.
@@tayuyamajik6525 And they un-clarified exactly how many generations were between Ephemer and Xehanort. Not exactly a big thing now, but could be later on.
Overall there's not a lot of big changes that are immediately obvious, but there are some that could be significant later on. (And, honestly, that makes sense. KHUX and KHDR were seemingly a lot of setup for this next arc.)
I was hoping they would change Baldr’s speech at the end. Him lamenting how those who find strength are condemned doesn’t make sense when he only used his new “strength” to kill everyone.
Maybe Baldr was just “being stupid” (in-universe) when he made that argument?
@@drdca8263 I don't want to believe Nomura and writers were aiming for that. I think they wanted to say Children of Destiny are destined to fall to darkness from the stress of their bonds. Baldr was so desperate to see his sister safe, he accidentally caused her death, leading him to kill his friends. This also applies to Riku if he's a CoD; in KH1 he went to extremes to try and save Kairi. If Sora is a CoD, it also makes sense; he keeps pushing himself to the brink to save his friends at the end of KH1 and KH3 and its only lead to more issues.
Can't wait for the full breakdown video. I've been waiting since Dark Road was finished.
I really hope sora has no bloodline to anyone and he’s just built different
Nah I'd want him to be slightly related to Ephemer, not enough for it to have possibly been a thing that Sora's family had a famous ancestor, but enough to give a justification for Ephemer appearing to Sora in KH3, and for why Blue Robe Guy would Xehanort was the Child Of Destiny when it's becoming more likely that Sora is the one.
Maybe it's like the Jewish Messiah (with *NO* regard for whether you believe Jesus is the one) and how it was prophesied that they would be descended from King David. Maybe all they had to go on was that the Child Of Destiny would be a descendant of Ephemer, and nothing else, which led to the mistake.
@@TheBanishedWind but sora's entire point is that he's not special, he's just surrounded by special people and puts his best foot forward for them.
@@EggyEggtoast
Exactly. In my scenario, his blood tie to Ephemer would be just enough to count, plus it's unknown in-universe.
@@EggyEggtoast this! People think its sora when in reality its not! He isn’t anything special only using his heart as power meaning his friends basically friendship to win. He is an ordinary boy and its been mentioned multiple times over and over to sora. In the other hand riku has gotten more praise and the fact both sora and riku was destined to be the true darkness vessel has to mean something. Honestly though sora was destiny to be a keyblade wielder in the timeline where riku chooses darkness to leave then the light. Sora i doubt has any lineage from union x.
But i can see his mom being ava for no reason
I'm so glad this rules out the theory of xehanort being the child of destiny since he says to eraqus maybe it's ven but we all still know it's clearly sora since he hails from destiny island connecting his hearts with others like Kingdomhearts doesn't always have to be a complex story LOL
Lmao the fact that sora knew who kingdom hearts was in kh 1 without even saying anything is literally the key to sora being the child of destiny.
I personally think it’s riku since he kind of harnesses the power of both light dark and is from destiny islands the same way xehanort thought when he wanted to leave destiny islands and more recently diving into hearts like sora. Sora is the ordinary boy and I hope it stays that way since you know he gets told that by literally everyone even luxu himself.
@@adammorin2955 well that'd be retarded cause idk through the entire franchise he hasn't been stated as an ordinary boy he's been told again and again he'll be the one he'll be the one and then also the fact he connects his hearts with others all the time which is what is found in the child of destiny and Riku emphasize that so much because he knows better it's kinda the entire reason why he says Sora I was jealous of you in the end of kh 2 and not anytime passed that was all in the same year keep in mind. Also lol you do know that's why they wanted him as a vessel in ddd it's called reverse psychology LMAO. Just cause they call him ordinary doesn't mean anything everyone who says that is an absolute clown I need you to look at kh3 and see the entire speech sora gives out to xehanort and what the hell xehanort entrusted to SORA WITH not anybody else SORA LOL idk maybe it was the xblade he also told sora that he requires motivation even furthering this and he tested sora strength this way and he proved him entirely
Nomura: KH and "not complex"? How DARE you? *throws in 20 more characters * (and missing link suddenly plays before UX somehow)
:P
@@psyckwhoever4197 lol I actually don't find that complex to keep up with characters though I do get what you mean lol. But that's probably because I've been a fan ever since the game has been out so being able to dissect background to what and how keyblades came to be and what were the people about as another race of people what did they do and such. I just find so interesting. Now that we have all that information
Yeah but like... Xehanort still factually has that power. Like him having that power is the entire crux to him finding Ven in the first place, his whole plot is that he DID connect to our character's heart and see our memories as his own.
So either that power is NOT automatically indicative of a child of destiny, or there are multiple children of destiny. It's not like they turned around and went "nope actually he didn't have that power so he's not the one", he still has it and other characters still have it and that's still touted as the defining factor of "the child of destiny".
Thanks for compiling these!
It's still extremely important to remember that we are the only ones so far to have two Chirithys. One of light and one of dark.
We don't even know that. Like the way Nightmare Chirithy talked that sounded like something that any person could produce. We still don't know the nature of him claiming to be our Chirithy.
@@mastertucker There isn't a single shred of evidence to suggest we should doubt what it tells us. It could have come after any member of the dandelions but it chose not to. It came after us specifically. It was the only Nightmare Chirithy going around making Darklings. This was confirmed in the story through our own player's progression. After it died, no more darklings were being created. This is verified by the lack of story missions concerning their activities. Our nightmare chirithy was the ringleader. There isn't any evidence to suggest the chirithys that belonged to the Darklings had done anything. In fact, we have no information on them. We do know however that each and every keyblade wielder only gets one chirithy. This was confirmed in the meeting between the masters concerning the discovery of a nightmare chirithy. Just like there were two Brains, chances are there are two of us.
@@chesspuppeteer Except it's entire character is an unreliable narrator. It's whole thing is twisting words and tricking the player.
But see the fact that Nightmare Chirithy went around making darklings means is DID go around going after other wielders. Darklings are wielders Chirithy went after and turned into them.
And correct everyone only gets one. And it's never remotely hinted that splitting up a person gives them more Chirithy.
Not to mention if there are two of our character (which there aren't because our body died unlike Brain who Luxu took over keeping that body a whole being - who we also didn't see then get a Chirithy or anything) that only is the case after Nightmare Chirithy exists. Pretty sure the answer isn't two of us = two Chirithy.
@@mastertucker The unreliable narrator has always been a strawman fallacy and nothing more. Our nightmare chirithy wanted nothing more than to sever its bond which it did. It only told us the truth, truth that the masters went out of their way to avoid telling us. Not once did it sow doubt or even express desire to turn us into a darkling. It was our Chirithy. It was born of our darkness. Hearts of data and hearts of reality are separate but connected. Tron/Rinzler had verified this before his death. Brain had verified this with his dual existence. One possessed by Luxu and the other that was transported into the future. We have yet to see our Chirithy again and chances are we will most likely see it in "Shibuya" where young Xehanort was recently shown to be. Just a matter of why young Xehanort would be there. How has long been figured out.
Thanks as always for compiling these
Xehanort doing a fake out before smacking Baldr now is a mood.
My favorite changes were the further establishment of player not being male as default, *looks at the novel using they/them for player* and the removal of rowdy rumble lmao
Wait rowdy rumble ??? It's been years since i touched the app so im a little lost on that
It's more of the gender being ambiguous then it is non-binary. Non binary would imply they had some say in their own lack of gender which whether you wanna hear it or not they didn't. It's the players choice and the decision is in our hands on how we create our OC
@@frankhunter8703 yeah yeah I know, dw, altho I've heard in the novels, since you can't choose a gender like in the game, I think they do use they/them, and they use the same cool trick of hiding their appearance
@@Fannintendociccio1 mate player is ambiguous because WE can decide the gender😂 not sure why you’re saying non binary, kid
@@frankhunter8703 correct
Thanks a ton for this Damo - I think it's cool that the changes themselves give us some extra info as to what is emphasized.
I've been replaying BBS now with just Ven's part left. And like you mentioned in that long discussion about Dark Road, I definitely feel like Xehanorts role got somewhat retconned some, cos wow, I forgot what a bastard he is 😂 (and how cool his armor is to, on an unrelated note haha).
Huh? 😅
What do you mean by Xehanort's role being retconned ?
@@Nhoadkoko I think he meant how Xehanort was portrayed!
In BBS Xehanort is an ABSOLUTE Evil Guy, wanting to open Kingdom Hearts just to see what awaits beyond the Keyblade War, and using Terras Body as a vessel to do it, since his original Body was too weak! There was ZERO redeeming Qualitys for him, he lied to Eraqus to fool him into taking Ventus under his wing, he fooled the BBS Gang, specifically Terra and so and so forth. And in DDD there was nothing hinting at that Xehanort had different plans from what we already knew. NOT EVEN KHIII builded up to this! But in the ending, all of a sudden, it was not Xehanorts goal to simply open Kingdom Hearts out of curiosity, but in order to purge the world with Darkness, ending all life, so that true light can shine again? WHAT!? That came literally out of nowhere, and felt like a last minute add in so that we can have a more wholesome ending... but all it did was ruinin Xehanort in just that single moment entirely. There was NOTHING that hinted that Xehanort wanted ANYTHING other then what he always stated.
In a way, they "retconned" Xehanorts true motives.
@@NeroDeAngelo I can only agree that up til KH3 he was indeed portrayed as an evil guy, as he was the main antagonist. But his ambitions never change up til the end. He made his purpose clear from the start which is create a World where Light and Darkness can exist in balance, the only difference is that his actions to achieve his goal were all portrayed as evil/bad. And if it was portrayed that way it's because at the time there was a clear distinction between Light and Darkness. But now Dark Road explained that the rule for Light being good and Darkness being bad is not necessarily true and that it requires a lot of knowledge and intuition to distinguish what's good and what's bad.
What Xehanort explained at the end of KH3 was not a mean to redeem himself, just a clarification of his true goal showing that he hadn't done everything just for the sake of evil. Xehanort broadened his horizons by travelling all over the World and reached the answers he sought.
In the end, there's no true answer to that, everyone has their own view and answer. That's why I don't see Xehanort's portrayal up til now as a retcon, because at the end of the day it's in the eye of the others to judge if Xehanort was redeemed or not. If you think Xehanort is still a bad guy because you perceive what he's done still as evil then it's fine. Some may think like you while others may think differently.
But keep in mind that Xehanort never tried to redeem himself, and never ask others to forgive him. He just clarified himself of what he thought was necessary.
@@Nhoadkoko That is true. And I didn't say that Xehanort wanted to redeem himself, but that more that the developers wanted to give us a reason why he is doing what he does, and that he had "noble" ambitions, but used the "wrong means". But in order to make something like that work, you need to have to build up to it! Young-Xehanort in DDD could have been a good way to do that! Young Xehanort is VERY different from the old man Xehanort. He is more impulsive and way more "evil" in the way he talks! He seems to really enjoy what he does, and how he talks to Sora for example. But they could have hinted at why he is like that, with simple coversations, leading up to this final reveal about his true motivation in KHIII. "You think Darkness is bad, but what about Riku then? Mastered or not, he still uses Darkness willingly... so do you say that Riku is actually evil?" and/or "There is more to darkness than meets the eye..." lines like that would have hinted that there is more to Xehanorts motivations, since he seems to not see darkness as evil. But all he does talk Sora and Riku down, giving them more reasons to dispise the darkness than anything else, making it sound like Darkness is what the world has to be (Terranort/Ansem SoD once said: "All worlds begin in darkness, and all so end... the heart is no different."), it could have even be more likely that Xehanort wanted to get the worlds into darkness so they will be eternal, since time seems to not really matter in the realm of darkness.
Xehanort wanting actual LIGHT for the world, and the worlds being led to darkness first in order to do so was pretty much out of nowhere...
I’m excited for the final cut of all cutscenes video so I can add it to my cutscene list 😅
I really like the altered version of the final fight, before it was really hard to tell what the difference was between Xehanort purging the darkness from Baldr and executing him really was. In both he just walked over with a raised blade as if it were just a matter of how he hit him. This time actually shows a stark difference between using the Keyblade proper and aiming light to purify him, and FREAKING BLUDGEONING THE POSSESSED KID.
Really that made it so much more of an OH SHIT moment when he just turns off the light and raises his Keyblade, now THAT'S a moment of someone deciding murder lol.
And thank god they changed to not seeing the player. I wouldn't have minded as much if they used the character they show in Back Cover that's supposed to represent your character, he looked so much cooler, but they went with like the most basic doesn't-look-like-a-character default design for it. For the short stint we thought our character reincarnated into Xehanort, the green hair design in Back Cover at least looked like someone I'd believe reincarnated into Xehanort, but now that we know that's not the case that's just even way more reason to not show the default character.
Thank you so much. Very informational video without much "fluff" around it :D
Is there a full video explanation of Dark Road on the way soon? Love your videos, they are the sole reason my brain doesn't go KABOOM when it comes to this massive lore.
Nomura just could not relax until he makes a Final Mix version, again.
Did the other Disney bosses change their gameplay battle theme as well? Before, Vim and Vigor still played during the scene before the fight, but not the fight itself. The other Disney bosses had a similar thing - play a boss-associated theme for the scene before the fight, but switch back to Rowdy Rumble for the fight itself. Do they all now play the respective themes, or just the Mirror?
Hmmm interesting. It's seems to be implying now that Sora and Xehanort are "Children of Destiny" and may share Ephemer as an ancestor. I'm curious to see how much time is between Ephemer, Brain and Xehanort in Scala ad Caelum.
It's definitely implying that both have open hearts and can feel and share it with others. Also that children of destiny can withstand the darkness. Ironically Xehanort tried to use Sora as a dark vessel. We know Ven is a Dark Vessel but I assume Sora and his friends are strong Lights needed to harbor the Darknesses trapped in the Portal area or whatever it's called.
One darkness in Ven/Sora, one probably found it's way to Xehanort then Riku b/c of Ansem SOD, four are still trapped... So will Aqua, Terra, Marluxia, Larxene be used for the last 4... Or Yozora and his comrades...? Kairi?
MOM and apprentices were strong Lights to hold 7 deadly darknesses. And do we need 7 strong Darknesses to hold 7 strong Lights... Yozora, 3 comrades, Strelitzia, Luxord, Demyx? 🤷🏾♀️
And Riku might be related to Ephemer too if one believes that whole "Xehanort is Riku's grandpa" theory.
I mean I doubt that riku is related to xehanort theory but anything is possible with time travel multiple worldlines and the way they explained “death” or resurrection? But I don’t think sora is a child of destiny. I think it’s riku strongly. He can channel the darkness and light more then sora can. The only thing sora has is the power of waking which basically manipulates time without penalty. Sora is meant to be an ordinary boy who is surrounded by special people and only true power is his friends.
I mean I doubt that riku is related to xehanort theory but anything is possible with time travel multiple worldlines and the way they explained “death” or resurrection? But I don’t think sora is a child of destiny. I think it’s riku strongly. He can channel the darkness and light more then sora can. The only thing sora has is the power of waking which basically manipulates time without penalty. Sora is meant to be an ordinary boy who is surrounded by special people and only true power is his friends.
But i think sora is going to be used as a dark vessel like xehanort did. And I believe one day ven could or will be the child of destiny like xehanort thought
@@adammorin2955 I think Ansem the Wise at this point has confirmed Sora is a child of destiny based on his conversations with Aqua and Riku. I also suspect Ansem the Wise is the new reincarnation of the Player since his dialogue with Riku in DDD mirrors the dialogue btw the Player and Xehanort in Dark Road.
All that I can gather is that the child of destiny can connect to hearts and feel their feelings and memories. May be used as a dark vessel. The connecting to hearts thing is Sora. The memories thing is Xehanort. I believe Ephemer can do both as he appears to Xehanort and Sora and has the ability to connect to people through dreams.
The dark vessel is Ven, but by extension also Sora which resulted in Vanitas. Ven is special though ( like Lauriam, Elrena, and by extension Ephemer, Skuld, and Brain) since they time travelled and have connections to ancient and past-present times.
I believe Xehanort harbored one of the original formless Darkness (one Luxu fought and we saw in Dark Road with Odin) that found it's way to Riku via in the form of brown robe guy and then to Riku replica. Hence why Vanitas and Riku replica have similar outfits and look like Sora and Riku... 2/6.
And yeah idk if Xehanort and Riku are related but I think they are strongly connected because of Rikus fascination with him leaving Destiny Islands/outside worlds. His actions motivated Rikus development. But if they are related I wouldn't be surprised.
So you see, this is actually Nomura foreshadowing that there was a timeline-split. It will come up in "Kingdom Hearts -7^420keybladeZ" for the Xbox Six Nine. Trust me, my uncle works at Nintendo.
HAHA omg how original, omg my stomach hurts. OMG you're peak comedy, whatever would we do without you.
@@Yukiukixx33 We all have our gifts. I'd imagine not everyone is this good at crying and being passive aggressive either.
@@S.A.O.D.A well that would imply that someone was crying. No ones crying I just think that your humor is a little outdated and dry. Try being funnier, they have classes on that now.
L joke
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Localization team strikes again lol
At least they fixed it this time. I'm still blown away by some of the stuff they did with 3 and MoM.
Actually some of the changes were made in JP too now just localization
@@user-xj3cj6ux6x Ok, so they dodged the bullet this time.
I mean literally nothing that they changed here dialluge wise like, even needed to be tho? The only thing being the generational gap which just seems like they weren't even sure on, but the rest of it is just lets change something from being subtle to being overt, like why? "He could be the one" we know wtf he meant "if it is my destiny" we also know what he meant, and yes of course of his assumptions as to who it was would waver over time
What if xehanort becomes the key to save everyone? Foretellers were just vessels for darkness and he stripped ventas of all darkness so things click idk it's late good night
Haven't seen anyone touch on this yet. But remember when Nomura stated that he was more picky about Sora being in Smash Bros than Disney allowing him? I believe this is also proven with the fact of the stage Dive to the Heart in the same sense that's where Sora fights Yozora. To expand on Damos theory he was talking about Sora himself being self aware that he is in a video game and the meta, this would have also made Nomura have serious reservations about saying sure do whatever. He didn't want to mess up the lore with this and Damo I'm sure there's more that I missed with this as well. Would love for u to expand on it.
Thanks for this!
a few of these changes seem a little odd, but maybe they were simply correcting/clarifying dialogue details that had been originally intended but got looked over, idk. these things happen in development hell sometimes i suppose. even a particularly Bizarre development hell like this game had. but i do honestly appreciate that they omitted khux player's actual physical appearance, assuming it was entirely to dispel any notion that our keykid is supposed to have a "canonical" appearance, and that their "canon" appearance is A. a boy, and B. not even any kind of interesting looking boy but the most milquetoast boring fuckin shit haircut Default Sim lookin boy lmfao. default keykids are a placeholder and nothing else. if that's the reason they tweaked those scenes then i applaud them. khux player is Canonically any gender, any appearance, any identity, and that's the way Square Enix intends to keep it. no matter who they reincarnated into.
I was surprised the game didn't pull the player's appearance from our KHUX data. I mean, it's the same app.
@@Gestrid YEAH honestly they could avoided this by just doing that in the first place lmao???? so weird they didn't even bother with that. i really wonder what kind of technical limitation within the app prevented them from doing that
@@kefkaexdeath Yep biggest disappointment with dark road is not using our own player character's data from the same application.. I mean aside from the actual game being complete dog lol
I wonder if Everglow will have to reupload the 4 hours and 10 minutes video with all the cutscenes now...
I like these changes, especially the removal of KHUX player's avatar. We had different experiences. Having just one form to represent that would be inappropriate. I, for one, felt a bit off seeing that default avatar after having been with my own for 4 years.
The focus on the child of destiny is probably the most important here. I believe this term will be used a lot in the Lost Master arc. MoM might groom Xehanort to be who he was and made him find this child of destiny and guided them to MoM for whatever his plan is. Why would he need someone who can connect their heart and feelings? To search for someone who's been lost and has been so removed from the plane of existence that could not be reached via conventional means? Or, like a true Master, teach them to bear the burden of negative feelings inside many hearts and be able to defeat the true darkness?
Anyone else find it weird that Xehanort is supposedly not the child of destiny, but he still has the powers that were credited as the defining factor of a child of destiny?
There's only two options to answer that: That power is NOT a deciding factor of a child of destiny (which seems silly), or there are multiple children of destiny all with that power to connect with others' hearts.
They didn't turn around and say Xehanort was wrong and he didn't have that power. He had it, they said that power is what the child of destiny can do, but he CAN still do it. So like... What??
My man!
I kinda wish that they would make KH union cross border playable again. Not just make it so we can only see the cutscenes
so is that mean that the player is the blue robe guy still?
I always hated the Player=Xehanort thing. It underminded both characters. The Player was no longer who WE decided they were which is the entire point of that character. Without US that character just... isn't. And to say Xehanorts actions were not really his own also hurts his character too.
Original intention or not, I MUCH perfer that our characrer reincarnated as another custom character. It keeps the US aspect there and actually means something.
Wait wait wait, what?
Are you going to use the old or new cutscenes for the chronological order?
I imagine he's going to use the new ones.
why not both?
When am I gonna get that dark road explanation video bruh?
Wonder what the changes were in the jp version
Nice 😊👍
I wonder if there is any new news in this update? 🤔
The Disney stories don’t match the kingdom hearts timeline… if beast turns human in the unionX version than how is he still beast in Sora’s story?
Our ------ are gone ! Not just the ------. But the character ------ too !! What kinda thief does that? Seifer couldn't have pulled that off.
Cool, but let me ask you this....
Can you _feel_ Sora?
I hate the change of who xehanort is supposed to be
So wait? What point on the timeline does this happen?
So is this version cannon
I mean if its in an update made by developers replacing what once was, then... yeah?
Nah man, they just retroactively changed a few scenes because they thought it would be funny to confuse new people with things that are not cannon.
No there's a time split
Old version is your heart mistakes
And new version is your mistakes fixed by heart result
By this the player gather his light and darkness souls to make twilight Blade to open-
You know what? Forget whatever I said I'm dead inside now!
Cuánto pesa el juego?
Oh nice, I was disappointed by them portraying the Player as the generic look, basically canonizing it. By obscuring it, it's back to them looking however we wanted them to look, minus the skin color though. I wonder if they're still canon male or if the gender of the old person is either nonbinary, or happened to be a male reincarnation from whatever they used to be.
Just use your brain for more than five seconds and the answer is obvious
The old person is the player from missing link, so it's the same situation
@@KinodeVGM I believe it was stated that this is their reincarnation, somehow holding onto their previous life's memories. We don't know if their reincarnated body should share any resembles to their original.
Oh wait you said Missing Link, not KHUX. Yeah, I wonder if that's the case then
Why do you list “nonbinary” and “male” as if they are two exhaustive options? I imagine the answer is “unspecified” (which I insist is a different thing from saying that a character is non-binary. It’s a watsonian vs doyalist thing. It can be that, in-universe, a certain character has a well-defined binary -inity, but the work of fiction doesn’t actually specifically what the character’s -inity is.)
WHEN WILL YOU PEOPLE LEARN THAT YOUR ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES
I guess it makes sense since Player should be YOUR player.
Instead this almost felt like "canon Player is this, yours is invalidated"
Wonder why the retcon
No more great great grandfather means that the time between ux and dark road can be much longer than previously thought. Honestly that's a good change since ux feels like it takes place much further in the past than what was officially said
there is no retcon square enix s translators suck ass and have ruined multiple scripts kh wasnt spared
What was the point of them editing these things. I feel like you can't really stop most of us from knowing the specifics of what they tried to make less obvious. I'm kinda confused lol
just more clarification
@@Nhoadkoko making lore points LESS obvious is not MORE clarification
@@Another14- most of these changes made lore points more obvious so idk what you're talking about...
No more Playernort ;-;
While I really like these changes, I kinda wish they kept the KHUX player's appearance. It makes us believe that the player (Which is us) has been reincarnated as Xehanort only for the reveal to blow us away that it's not.
I kind of don't like how they edited the UX player character out. Wouldn't it be a relatively simple thing to just insert each player's custom avatar into the scene? The two games already share the same app, it should be such a simple technical tweak to make. Doing this makes those scenes feel somewhat more awkward, and it doesn't drive home quite as hard that the blue-robed figure is the Player.
Changes are probably intended to take away the visuals of the player seeing as we all made our player character look different
Wtf
After this WHAT SHOULD A NEW KH FAN DO??? LIKE There's not only a convoluted mess with KH BBS through 3 BUT KNOW THIS SHIT, is Nomura a Master writter or a drug addict with a pen?
Nomura is a shit writer but the games are fun. Literally dont worry about any of this for Kingom Hearts 1 through 3. This is for future games
A new fan will have these new scenes to watch whenever the hell they get to this point, and even if someone just recently caught up and watched it its not the end of the world if they don't see the revised versions, doesn't change all too much. Unless you just mean the mobile stories in general in which case yeah its a bit of a fuckfest and should be remastered into one big coherent movie or something instead of the community having to make watching it make any sense
So that means we aren't Xehanort. God, this change is pathetic, but the rest are good.
Thank you for this!