Not A Bad Presentation From The Guy(or Group) That Gave My Title To. A Thank You Would Be Nice Because I Along With The Many Think That Sora Couldn't Be ME. The Schimatic's At The Disney Branch Of The Square Enix Company Paint A Different Picture Of My Character's Connection To Sora. Signed Raymond(Ray)Chase
You're completely and Incredibly right there is two complete distinct differences completely between the two with one with an absolute moral compass down to the core of his soul and one with a manipulative personality to the core of his I think it's easier now to explain especially now from this point of view that there are two completely different people 1 heightens us in a positive way and one disturbs us in a much grim and darker way like the things he was willing to do for so long and would another is willing to do so selflessly the true difference between selfish and selfless Nexus want to understand these two different individuals more✌intell net.time
I totally agree! Also a HUGE point that no one talks about is Ben Diskin (YMX voice actor) had an interview with HMK and he told him he knows MoM’s name. He heard them say it while recording and he said he wouldn’t tell anyone but he also told us that “it’s not someone that he recognized” so it’s probably a totally new character.
"Other creators who have crafted this theory and done their best to put together a compelling case." "After I dismantle what many believe to be the best evidence to support this theory". Damn, Landi came out swinging with this one
sora's whole thing is that he's a "dull, ordinary boy" who happened to get the keyblade only because he happened to be there!!! he's not an important guy, he's an everyday dude who manages to do incredible things!!!! for this alone, Sora isn't the MoM
The Master of Masters' name might be Venus/Morningstar. Think about how that bright sun/planet is in the sky above the Master in so many scenes we've seen him in. Interesting fact about Venus: "This rise and fall of Venus as a morning star takes 263 days. For the next 50 days, Venus disappears and cannot be seen in the sky at all. Then, Venus reappears in the evening sky, where it remains for another 263-day phase before disappearing below the horizon for 8 days." So venus appears as a morning star, then disappears, then comes back as an "evening star," and then disappears again. Sounds similar to how the Master was around before UX, disappeared, reappeared to Xehanort, and then disappeared again. The evening star = Yozora (Night sky). I think the Master is stuck in some identity loop and ends up as Yozora somehow.
@@Tezwhale I think Ventus is the original friend who got possessed and turned/helped kill/ or get the other friends possessed. From Dark Road, we know Vanitas is a true/primordial/willful Darkness. And was possessing Ven from the start of Union X.
@@Tezwhale I also think demyx might be a friend too. Got possessed, and when the war ended they flung the body on heart into the future. That kinda makes sense why they aren't around in Back cover times, and once that war ended, it said several Darknesses were defeated. Meaning these specific ones escaped that. He has SOME kind of tie to the ancient keyblade days. I know Demyx helped Sora but maybe it's a ruse. One darkness did get a look at the book of prophecies. Plus he's so dramatic and silly. Almost like a parallel to mock MoM. In Dark Road, the first meeting with Young Xehanort, MoM calls himself Theodore. Theo- means something related to God/religion. Like Theology, the study of religion. In every religion there is a figure or figures that opposites of what you supposed to ideally be. I think this darkness is being the devil to MoMs savior role.
Kairi has Venus imagery by the way. Her pearl necklace and being associated with the sea. Also Ava with the waves and pearl on her keyblade and her robes being the color of dawn.
Regardless of whether the Master is Sora or not, I think that sense he’s been hidden for so long he has to be a familiar face for the reveal to be more impactful. If he’s someone totally new, it won’t have the same shock value like the Luxu reveal did. Personally, I think the Master could be Sora’s ancestor. So he looks like Sora, but he’s his own character.
He probably has a connection at the very least to someone we know. I dont think he is completely unrelated to anyone. Nomura will mindfuck us for sure.
Personally I would prefer a new character if it's some existing character like sora himself It would actually ruin the experience for me tho if he ends up being related to sora somehow iam fine with that i just don't want him to be sora himself also on a side note luxu doesn't even look like that luxu has been hijacking xigbars body for so long so we still haven't actually seen a true face reveal we don't really know what Luxu truly looks like not to mention his real name isn't even luxu the MOM gave him that him so we actually don't know anything about him the same case is for MOM and all the other foretellers
It better be Sora if Kairi becomes a master before he does. I'll be so upset if that happens. The thing that would fix that for me is Sora being the MoM. But that's just me.
@@OryanStargazer What? Noo... A creator in charge of the narrative of a story would never lie to their audience so as to keep the surprises secret thus giving fan a satisfying experience. /s
I agree with you. That said I have thought about this topic a long time and even though I believe MoM is his own new character I have come up with ways that the theory could work. I just like MoM being his own character better. Time travel in KH doesn't work in such a way that a person can time travel to a point before they ever existed. There are two forms of time travel in KH. One, the heart travels without a vessel to a point in time where said heart already existed. This can be to either the past or future, though it would be safer and easier to travel to the past. As one knows where they have been better then they know where they are going to be. In fact this might only work in going backwards in time, until someone tries to return to their true present anyway. I do think it is possible for a heart to maybe time travel to a past life in this fashion. The second way is the use a vessel or in other words an incomplete Ark. This time travel causes you body to be destroyed. And to be reformed you would need a medium and a person with memories to reform you. However to have a personal object and a person with memories of you. You would have already needed to exist before wherever you ended up. Which means like the first kind of time travel you can not time travel to a time before your creation/birth. In other words Vessel time travel is best used to get into the future. Now there are ways to make the time travel work that Sora becomes MoM. One Sora needs to be a heart reborn. Chirithy calls this becoming a New Heart. Which is almost exactly what Sora calls himself when he talks to Ventus at the start of BBS. Two a version of Sora would need to time travel into the past where this past life existed. That past life would then likely need to die so that Sora could reform his body. As if the same heart already exists in a time a body can not be formed even if the medium and memories exist. At least to the best of my understanding on how a body can be formed. Three that version of Sora would need to grow to be a very different person. Which as you said just doesn't fit. Another version of Sora is MoM that I have heard that you didn't talk about is that. MoM is Sora's past self rather then his future. I don't really believe this one either. Mostly because I think MoM is more likely to die in the present and I see no reason why a heart that dies in the present would be reborn sixteen to seventeen years ago. One idea that could work though I don't really believe it is the idea that MoM is a broken being. His heart, body and soul are all in different places. The MoM in the back coat most likely being the Heart. Maybe Ansem the Wise being the Nobody as it would make his dislike of Nobodies be more ironic, plus they are both scientists. And MoM's Lingering Will or his Soul. The Soul being the thing that allows a person to act. That somehow attaches to Sora before he was born. It would explain why Sora's heart was able to act on it's desire to go help Ventus. Something I am sure any heart that could have noticed Ventus would have wanted to do. Though there are likely other explanations that would explain that. Not having a body or soul could even fit MoM. He always wears the Black Coat being a heart in a coat, brown sack, or blanket seems to be a way to keep a heart from moving on to wherever they would naturally go next. Hearts without bodies seem to need some sort of physical vessel otherwise they get swallowed up by Kingdom Hearts, the Realm of Darkness which likely has a version of Kingdom Hearts in it, or the Final World. And not being able to act might explain his nature of tricking others into action. Because he literally can not act himself, at lest no more then Terra could without his lingering will. Honestly I almost like that last one. I just don't actually believe it. My belief is that MoM is his own character and Sora and he echo each other like any good hero and villain will.
The “heart going back in time to be born as someone else, after death” reminds me of that short story about like, the idea that *all* people are just reincarnations of the same person (in a randomized order I guess?), as part of a preparation process so that humanity(actually a single person) will mature (and then, idk, at the end of time, enter into some larger society of beings who matured in a similar way? Idr exactly.) Anyway, yeah, new theory: all the characters in KH are the same person (not really, only joking)
If MoM is a character we do already know of I think there’s a chance it could be Xigbar himself. I know he revealed himself to be Luxu but after rewatching all the MoM scenes and the KH3 ending I think there’s a chance he’s lying about being Luxu. It wouldn’t be too far off since we’ve seen Ansem do something similar to this before. To me the way that MoM reacts, moves and speaks during both serious and non-serious moments reflects Xigbar the best. If u rewatch the KH3 ending anytime that Luxu is brought up Xigbar smiles and pauses before speaking. The Foretellefs ask “Is it really you” but never actually ask ”Is it you Luxu” meaning Xigbar could be misguiding them in saying “Yes it’s still me after all these years” because he would still be the MoM after all these years. Ira ask “Is that you, Luxu?”and Xigbar’s response is “That’s a name I haven’t heard of in a long time”. The initial phrasing makes it seem like he’s referring to himself but what if it’s MoM talking about how he’s hasn’t heard of Luxu for a long while since he’s been time hopping constantly. Aswell as the fact that MoM says he also plays a role in the end of the world and that role has been fulfilled by Sora rewriting history. He now gets to continue after the ending of the Book Of Prophecies and carry out whatever his plan is because he’s no longer bounded by fate and destiny. It’s a really dumb theory I’ve had and could easily be debunked by saying “No it’s Luxu” but I think there’s definitely some places where it could be true. At the very least Luxu has definitely started acting like the MoM after all those years of being alone
Yes, I believe Gula is Sora. Or rather, I think there is a Ventus connection. Even if it ends up being metaphorical. Similarly to how the other Foretellers are Riku, Kairi, Aqua, and Terra. But not literally. Similarities in Kingdom Hearts are never, ever coincidences.
Idk man, I feel like because the face has been hidden its gotta be a character that we've seen already at the very least. I mean hell even interviews involve a name that hasnt been heard has been cited but at the same time it could be a alias. Not to mention that if the story is inside cycles of a timeline that it could be a more jaded version of a character we've seen. Just my opinion at the end of the day but it just seems far too late in the series to have the most crucial mystery in the entire series be a "Who tf are you?" Moment when that hood drops. I still throw my hat in the sora or riku ring just because I feel it only makes sense with how the mannerisms and approach to people is with the master. Lore as presented without outside theories that's where my guess still lands. Idk my other guesses wouldnt be practical to story. Either a OG character from final fantasy(ff5 and before) or it's a new character meant to be a stand in for nomura himself.
I agree with what you are saying, but one thing to point out, your argument for the data fight evidence is weak, something we all know, it's that Nomura does 2 thing, set up stuff he knows what he will do with, or set up stuff that he is not sure what he will do with but he is going to use in the future. This can fit on either camp and it doesn't have to be something related to the MoMs. But i don't think is a detail Nomura just left there for the lols, he rarely is that kind of person. Whatever he will use it or not it's another thing.
One thing I haven’t really noticed anyone talking about is soras anti-form. If the master of master is truly a being of pure light then I feel like anti-form would be out of the cards for him. I’m not sure if there’s any lore surrounding anti-form but it’s just something I’ve been thinking about lately.
Well, the MoM did say that he would be one of 7 (along with the original union leaders and Luxu) that would house/trap in-body one of the willful darknesses, so, I don’t think “but the MoM would never have darkness within him” really fits with that? He isn’t a princess of heart, after all.
Mom says to Luxu that the keyblade war started when he was a boy. Obviosly sora is not an adult, but I would definely not call him a boy. Keyblade war for him started in KH3, when he's like 15 or 16. So that doesn't add up. He would be a boy I kh1, not all the way in kh3. Sora also isn't the type of person to sacrifice a whole town to defeat the darkness, or his own friends (the lost masters) I do definely think people are over-reacting too much with the eyes glitch. I think it's just a glitch, nothing more.
@phantomstar12345 Sora hardly had ANY connection to that war whatsoever to be important enough to mention it. Also when the MoM said he was a boy when the Keyblade War happened, it's obvious he's referring to a historical event known the ALL the worlds, where as the one with Terra, Aqua and Ventus vs Xehanort and Vanitas in Birth By Sleep wasn't even known by the people of Radiant Garden, much less all the worlds, and especially Sora.
To add to your point Sora also can't be the masters of master because back when there was the key blade war in MOMs time the world's weren't separated it was one big world all the worlds separated after the keyblade war from MOMs time but in soras time the world's are already separated so obviously there are from different time periods and not are not the same person and the MOM said the keyblade war in his time went on for a long long time but for sora it literally ended like what in one day so like I said they are obviously not the same not to mention soras does not know any original darkness nor is he friends with any darkness but the masters of master is acquainted with darkness and knows the original darkness and the darkness from the masters of masters time was really different it had a form and lost it's form and got divided into thirteen darknesses but nothing like this happens with sora we literally play as sora we haven't seen anything similar happening to sora that the MOM had experienced in his time And MOM can't be an alternate version of sora because an alternate timeline would be mean that a few things differ from the original timeline but the MOMs backstory and personality is totally different to sora mom is too smart sora is dumb I don't think he can become that smart and cunning and deceitful just because he experienced something tragic his iq will still stay the same I don't know why ppl think there story is similar it's really not other then then both of them fighting the keyblade war which doesn't in any shape or form indicate that that there the same person because Riku also fought in the keyblade war riku also experienced things
My line of thinking was Sora is just too justified of a character to be in another timeline/time space. It makes sense for him to meet the MoM for the fated clash. Ex: Sora will most likely try to understand the Foretellers, MoM will very simply explain, before they perish after becoming vessels of 'darkness'. Probably deeming him a true Keyblade Master thereafter. 🤷🏻♂️ Glad we're all still here for the ride ♥️
The identity of the Foretellers and MoM can make or break KH as a series. If these characters are anyone we already know, Square will have failed. MoM and the Fortellers better end up being MoM and the Fortellers. At worst I can accept Luxord or Demyx being one of them.
I don't agree with that if it's a completely new character I would be really disappointed, it's very difficult to be surprised or shocked and it's still bad when you leave a character hidden like that, I think that everyone was surprised when luxu turned out to be xigbar and it's not for nothing
Talking about MoM taking over sora would be interesting, but I imagine it's more possible he would want sora to be a vessel for the 13th darkness, since I'm pretty sure riku is no longer a proper candidate given even xehanort couldn't use him as a vessel, kairi is a princess of heart, and I imagine most of the Disney characters probably wouldn't be suitable hosts either. Likewise, the former organization members likely have a good grasp of how darkness works, and with xion and Roxas having replica bodies, it's possible they might not be good vessels either. Like, a lot of characters just aren't good vessels for that final darkness. But given how we've seen sora slowly, if not unwillingly, tap into darkness with anti and rage form, and how he's definitely tapped into his anger and other emotions more as the series has gone on, his deep dive into the realm of sleep that almost got him norted as well, he's probably a perfect host. Though I do think it's possible that after being thwarted, MoM might decide to become a vessel for darkness himself, as a last resort, but that might very well lead to a much more dangerous combination than anyone can really comprehend. The whole point is to get the remaining darknesses in human form so they can actually be destroyed, which ultimately sounds like that means MoM id also planning to strike down the other lost masters, and that would also mean he'd be going after ventus since he at least had a darkness inside him. Given the cutscene from remind where sora is in ventus' heart and is expelled by darkness though, I imagine that darkness is still there, lurking, lying in wait... So there's definitely a lot of interesting things that can happen in kh4 and beyond. Whether they play out this way or I'm way off the mark is anyone's guess though lol.
I’m just going to say it’s a unique character (as it should be). Ben Diskin already said he knows the name of the Master and it’s not someone’s name we already know. Even if it’s like demyx’ or Luxords somebody name we haven’t heard yet, theres plenty of other media that maybe proves it’s not them either. Disney/KH wouldn’t be dumb enough to use Sora as the MoM because that makes marketing and merchandising a nightmare when your main character is other people too. Just my opinion.
If you really think he's not obligated under contract to not talk about things like that or lie about it then you are definitely not a working adult. It's called confidentiality.
I loved this video. The only thing i can say about the dark timeline argument is the argument against was that Kairi and Riku were there. If he (Sora) survived he's the only important one or the one that matters because he's still around. If Kairi never saved him and he lived he'd be alone and when he got swarmed by heartless he lost his faith because he believed his friends were his power. And the series is getting darker so why give us the bad timeline if it wasn't relevant? I mean this as my opinion i love your vids man and i agreed with all the rest.
something to rememebr is that in the kh universe its entirly possible to print bodys and make hearts that can then be edited into an entirly diffrent being. you can print bodys by using the time machine to make you a body around your heart. you can make hearts by emptying a formerly filled body. you can dive into anothers heart or overtake theirs with your own if your a master or could flat out rewrite someone to edit them into someone completly diffrent (roxas becomes diffrent from sora and ventus despite being made from them). Just want to put on the table that even if Sora is just a normal person that its possible there could be some people walking around in the KH universe that were crafted for a reason using these methords he both knows and likely discoved before or after the gazing eye. Also consider what we know about time travel. It isnt conformed that someone like sora could not travel into the future or past by possessing roxas. So the question is. What is the limit for how diffrent the vessel you want to possess can be from you when time traveling? Looks? Heart? Being reconised as that person?
there was a video i saw here on youtube once saying art was done by square for something and there was a dragon with a heart emblem or something like that in the art made for promotion of something and it had the person wondering what if the master isnt human and hes actually a dragon and thats why his eye looks that way. and why he cant do things humans can he can shapeshift but he doesnt have a heart like the rest of the cast.
What about all the other images where sora's eye colour changes? It's not just in the data battle it happens consistently throughout KH3 when Sora interacts with characters related to MOM/ The age of fairy tales. Also there are plenty of stories that exist where a character like Sora becomes a character like MOM.
ok so the gazing eye segment I take issue with. the green ring around the pupil is visible on sora but its really hard to make out in some ways... everything else makes sense.
It would have been really cool if he was, but now everyone and their mother has either had this theory or heard someone with it one, it would seem lame if that is what happens.
I feel like this could reaffirm the theory more than it disproves it. All your points still leave the recipient in an optimistic state. But your ending theory makes a lot of sense and kind of has me considering in that direction. Also you're right, Sora only operates in goodness and light.
What if MOM is soras ancestor just how arden izunia was the ancestor of noctis There are some similarities/parallels between Arden and the MOM what if nomura is going down the similar route of making MOM the ancestor of sora
This isn’t a theory or anything, but it'd be a weird or cool reveal to say the destiny trio and the wayfinders, and the union x guys are the master of masters friends as split people. Like ventus and sora being just 2/3rd of one of his friends. And they are completely unaware.
Watching Union X. Just noticed something interesting that gave me a pretty interesting theory for MOM. Cool to share here or can recommend a good place to?
Ooo this will be fun 😊 I don’t really think Sora should be him but the theory intrigued me so much I made a alternate timeline where that would remotely work. Mmm so yeah 🤷♀️
Tbh, I think all of the evidence points to Riku. Now, obviously like you said, a lot of the evidence applies to everyone we know. But we can reasonably assume it's a humanoid, and specifically a man. And something should imediately catch everyone's attention. "I'm the only one who's relevant." Unless the master of masters is Xehanort, we literally don't know any other keyblade weilders arrogant enough to claim that, especially out of those considered central to the plot. We could go with Axel but Axel just isn't on Riku's level of intelligence. After witnessing sora disappear, followed by likely some hyperspecific scenario that allows him to come back, likely by pulling his remains or his heart or something out of the black box, he could have come up with this whole plan to make a small enough tweak to the timeline to make sure he comes back. Riku seems like the type who would do anything to save sora, even follow an entire guidebook of attrocities just to reach a specific prophesy which saves soras life in the end
I have two kind of contradictory theories. Sora is a copy of the Master of Masters, kind of like Reliku but he was created as a more complete replica. And Yozora is another copy made for a different purpose. The only reason I think this is because Yozora said Sora isn't the real Sora and hinted that the real Sora is in his heart under his protection. But I also think the Master of Masters' true name is Hikari or something like that, so maybe the real Sora is someone else entirely.
When timelines and changing future was made posssible in the KH universe is it's possible that Sora did become MoM, events change who we are based on what happened to us in life, we become better, worse, ragefull, bitter or even try to hide our sadness with sarcasm wich the MoM has a lot. For me MoM will be "Sora" but not the Sora we know, Vanitas takes Sora's form and it is confirmed the Darkness was Vanitas so why can't MoM be Light and have Sora's face but bieng a different character at the same time, i would love MoM taking of the hoodie to show an adult Sora face to out young Sora
Honestly I rather have the Master of Masters being his own character than Sora or Demyx being the MoM.. Although I do agree with the possibility of him potentially stealing Sora’s body with a similar technique kinda like Luxu’s method. I just hope that part will have a more accurate explanation. 🤔
I thought he may be sora the first time I learned of the character. After about 5 minutes of thinking about it I thought it would be absolutely asinine if it were true.
I hope that ONE day, we will know who The Master of Masters is. Imagine like GRRM never finishing his A Song of Ice And Fire Book Series but then Nomura never finishing his Kingdom Hearts Series and answering that one important question who is Master of Masters?!
Saying Sora and MoM can't be the same person because they have some difference in like MoM being more scheming, intelligent, and less moral, that's not really uncommon in fallen timeline stories where the theory is saying MoM is an older Sora
To me it sounds like you don’t want sora to be the master of masters. But on an unbiased view I feel as if it is possible. Sora somewhere down the line could have lost everything and the only way to get his friends back was being MoM. Also I could see sora manipulating people to get his friends back if it’s a last resort. The whole kingdom hearts is about sora fighting to reunite his friends and stuff. So ultimately he will do anything to do so. This is just my speculation considering he already went through so much for them… MoM ain’t to far off the scale
Sora is still a child to me ya know? Just like we can have a positive moral compass as children and young adults, enough trauma, enough failures, things being taken, constantly trying and failing, can lead to a darkness that can grow and over come, I think if he went through all that, then yes Sora very wwll could be him. Older, having experiences life and the darkness and realizing that having hope isn't gonna fix the issues and he has to take it into his own hands, even if he has to deceive and manipulate to reach his goals.
Not that I believe MoM is Sora but just like in death note, how Light gave up his memories, what if MoM can do the same thing? We’ve seen Xehanort lose his memories
Sure if u go one by one u could debunk anybody being related to anything, but guess what, it’s kingdom hearts, they add hints to stuff for reasons, and when u have 25 different things pointing to one person more than anything else u can’t just go through and say no bc of one reason or another, it’s still a connection u just don’t like
As the Joker said one time “All it takes to break a person is One Bad Day…” it would be interesting to see Sora and a failed Sora from another timeline. He himself self would be a paradox if that happened a never ending game with the darkness maybe he is sick of it and just wanted to end it by whatever means necessary?
War and loss can change anyone for the worst, especially someone like Sora who needs his friends as he derives all facets of his power from his connection to them. Him changing so drastically is not impossible if let's say an alternate version of him didn't use the power of waking to alter what happened or used it and failed to change the events in a meaningful enough way to stop the first events at the KBG from happening.
I actually like the idea of a fallen timeline sora being the master but I’d rather him be a whole new character with hmmm light blue hair lol idk why I said the last part
My guess is MoM is Luxord, since he seems to have a connection to both the ancient times and Quadratum, why else would Xigbar/Luxu question who he is maybe he recognises him as the MoM
Luxord is already the Driver/Chauffeur/Servant of Yozora though. We hear him talking to Yozora in the real ending cutscene for the Secret Episode and said cutscene can only be unlocked by winning against Yozora.
@@luigiRobs14 There is no evidence pointing to the MoM being Luxord's somebody. There is the difference in voice and the difference in body shapes. The only time where we saw a human change their shape and voice was when Riku transformed into his Ansem form during 358/2 Days and KH2. Otherwise there has been no other time where a human transformed. (Note that Ansem Seeker of Darkness is a heartless and Sora was already a heartless when Kairi transformed him back into a human in KH1) There have literally been no other times where you saw someone change things like that. There have also been no cases of magic that could do that so that falls out as well. So tell me, would ut even be possible to implement your theory into the KH Story?
Maybe the master of master sora father? Or maybe Sora is Clone this would explain why Sora has trouble remembering and it's had to keep track on memories?
Bro is jamming to hard, the Master being Sora is a silly theory, and is only decent because it would be a nomura thing to do, but it is just a theory and the point of theories is that they might not be true, some are more cracked then others
I think The Master of Masters is Riku and Sora fused together like Yozora looks. And I think The Master of Masters... performed Forbidden Action to save themselves from Failure. So, the Master of Masters created themselves to create Sora and Riku to create themselves and loop the entire Kingdom Hearts Timeline until he saved themselves. After all, Nomura has stated the series is all about Sora and Riku. So, it would make sense the Master of Masters authored his own existence in a Time loop Paradox. And The Master would be the most relevant, because Riku is the Light and the Portal to the Final World. No Riku. Darkness prevails. Also, Riku and his Darkness are manipulators. See KH1.
The strongest evidence of Sora being not the Master is how time travel works in the world of Kingdom Hearts. I mean just take it logically: You need a Goal/Waypoint to time travel. This waypoint is a version of you which exists what you know of from: Young Xehanort could travel to the time of Ansem SoD beceause Ansem SoD travelled to the time from Young Xehanort to tell him. Sora time Travels to Times which he already experienced because he knows he existed there. Maleficent travels to the farthest point in the past just to notice that this is not the past she remembered. Maleficent is also the best example to explain why Sora can't be the MoM. But anyway. In UX we learn there is another way to time travel into the future and this is through creating a waypoint with memories and a medium. This also happens to Maleficent. Since time travel into the future is not relevant for Sora being the MoM since the MoM is in the past we can exclude this at all. All what's important is the way to know how you can travel without a waypoint. So to travel further in the past then you youself know there has to be a version of you in the past and it happens by accident. If you have no version in the past you need a medium and someone with memories....and if we simply take this logically. Why was there a version of Maleficent? Because of the Book of Prophecies which is a look into the future. The Book was created from the Master so it is already impossible that he made a Version of Sora prior to writing the Book correct? And if he can't make a version before writing the Book Sora can't be the one who written it. So we can also exclude there is a version of Sora in the Past that the Master possesses as long as there is not second Book of Prophecies written even further in the past. Next medium and memories. How on earth should someone remember a person that has yet to exist? How on earth should someone have an Item attached to a person that has yet to exist? I mean if the person could watch in the future...yes...but we talk about the MoM being Sora. And the MoM can't remember himself to travel in the past. So we again need someone new with another look into the future for this to work. So if not suddenly a second guy/girl emerges from some random never told point in time it is again impossible for the Sora to be MoM. But you know what? To finally bury this theory in the ground let's just say hypothetical that Sora indeed is the MoM then here the contradictions: - Luxu don't recognize him...at all. - He was not there during the BBS Keybladewar and he said he fought in it not being on a different world. Also other Keybladewielders are not from the official translation. The official translation only says others and the Master say "Yes but they don't really count." letting one believe that they are not even Keybladewielders in the first place. - We never see Darkness giving up his Form to split into 13 True Darknesses....that has to happen if the Master saw it. In none of the 3 Keybladewars we have seen was this ever shown. And just for records to really think this through. IF he is the Master then Sora is born in a time that is already in split worlds because of himself...whitness the destruction of his Island because of someone which only acted because he told him to do. Stole a Keyblade from his friend that only got the Keyblade because the person he told him to do acted prior. Got the Heart of a friend inside his because she only entered the Island because the person he told him to do send her during memory loss coming from actions he told him to do and this actions supposely happened in a Keybladewar he was "present". He created a Keyblade to see the future he whitnessed already himself. He took a Coat on to protect himself from Darkness...a coat he associated with evil, and was given this "bad guys" from himself because he created them seemingly. Then he...somehow...time travels back to a time he never existed in before to do all this ridicoulus stuff I just mentioned to himself, somehow is able to trick Luxu that he never regocnizes his past self and even tries to capture Darkness in a timeline where it shouldn't exist...because if he whitnessed as a Boy the Split of the Darkness then it has to happen years before he trained Luxu and the others. And since he says he was just a boy....and he somehow time travels back then he has only 2 Years from KH4 on to whitness this stuff. So it has to happen in the future to make somehow sense and Darkness suddenly then appears in the said form in the past? Did all 13 Darknesses also time travel to the past just for Sora being the MoM? In conclusion. This is one of the most stupidest theories I ever heard and it has no base. It is a theory crumbling already on a sand ground with flood coming up while the architect was drunk while building the house and the house itself has no walls and was build upside down. Thanks for reading my Kingdom Hearts ted talk.
What atrocities did the master of masters commit? Never understood this take that people have. And how was he deceitful? He told them exactly what was going to happen. If they followed their roles perfectly nothing would have happened, but he knew they wouldn't be able to.
You’re saying Sora can’t change , but we’ve seen characters change . Just because he’s an innocent kid now doesn’t mean he can’t grow up to be a monster … xehanort was kind and loving .. and saw enough that changed him… eraqus was kind as well to and would NEVER, raise his keyblade to a companion . He eventually did against xehanort .. and then even worse to ventus when he attempted to kill him.. change in a bad way is very very possible . … if only you knew my friend And also? We don’t know what he went through throughout his lifetime that could make him change . .. you’re all saying the master of master isn’t Sora and one piece is because a voice actor said they heard his name and it wasn’t a familiar one…. What if he just changed his name??? Changed body. Changed name . Wanted to forget so he took on a new identity. Anything is possible in kingdom hearts
This video is 13 minutes long because Nomura.
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A Thank You Would Be Nice Because I Along With The Many Think That Sora Couldn't Be ME. The Schimatic's At The Disney Branch Of The Square Enix Company Paint A Different Picture Of My Character's Connection To Sora.
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You're completely and Incredibly right there is two complete distinct differences completely between the two with one with an absolute moral compass down to the core of his soul and one with a manipulative personality to the core of his I think it's easier now to explain especially now from this point of view that there are two completely different people 1 heightens us in a positive way and one disturbs us in a much grim and darker way like the things he was willing to do for so long and would another is willing to do so selflessly the true difference between selfish and selfless Nexus want to understand these two different individuals more✌intell net.time
Plot twist, the Master of Masters is actually Sora's father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate. The cousin just so happens to be Demyx.
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I totally agree! Also a HUGE point that no one talks about is Ben Diskin (YMX voice actor) had an interview with HMK and he told him he knows MoM’s name. He heard them say it while recording and he said he wouldn’t tell anyone but he also told us that “it’s not someone that he recognized” so it’s probably a totally new character.
Also, since Xehanort knows his name and who he is, if he encountered someone with a similar name he would know it and react to it
What's ymx and hmk?
@@thesidneychan yx is ypung xehanort angulo HMK is s kh youtuber
@@thesidneychan YMX is young master Xeahnort and HMK is the RUclipsr I’m talking about
he probably heard theodore jack his alter name
Inb4 MoM is actually Sora’s mom from KH1 still waiting for Sora to come down for dinner on the Night of Fate
The real plot twist: the Master of Masters is a jaded Oswald the Rabbit.
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That'd be amazing
"Other creators who have crafted this theory and done their best to put together a compelling case."
"After I dismantle what many believe to be the best evidence to support this theory".
Damn, Landi came out swinging with this one
sora's whole thing is that he's a "dull, ordinary boy" who happened to get the keyblade only because he happened to be there!!! he's not an important guy, he's an everyday dude who manages to do incredible things!!!! for this alone, Sora isn't the MoM
The Master of Masters' name might be Venus/Morningstar. Think about how that bright sun/planet is in the sky above the Master in so many scenes we've seen him in. Interesting fact about Venus:
"This rise and fall of Venus as a morning star takes 263 days. For the next 50 days, Venus disappears and cannot be seen in the sky at all. Then, Venus reappears in the evening sky, where it remains for another 263-day phase before disappearing below the horizon for 8 days."
So venus appears as a morning star, then disappears, then comes back as an "evening star," and then disappears again. Sounds similar to how the Master was around before UX, disappeared, reappeared to Xehanort, and then disappeared again.
The evening star = Yozora (Night sky). I think the Master is stuck in some identity loop and ends up as Yozora somehow.
@landi I keep telling you it's Ventus. Lol
@@Tezwhale I think Ventus is the original friend who got possessed and turned/helped kill/ or get the other friends possessed.
From Dark Road, we know Vanitas is a true/primordial/willful Darkness. And was possessing Ven from the start of Union X.
@kireebrown5268 sounds like a perfect reason to have an undying grudge against the darkness and a debilitating need for control 😘
@@Tezwhale I also think demyx might be a friend too. Got possessed, and when the war ended they flung the body on heart into the future. That kinda makes sense why they aren't around in Back cover times, and once that war ended, it said several Darknesses were defeated. Meaning these specific ones escaped that. He has SOME kind of tie to the ancient keyblade days.
I know Demyx helped Sora but maybe it's a ruse. One darkness did get a look at the book of prophecies.
Plus he's so dramatic and silly. Almost like a parallel to mock MoM. In Dark Road, the first meeting with Young Xehanort, MoM calls himself Theodore. Theo- means something related to God/religion. Like Theology, the study of religion. In every religion there is a figure or figures that opposites of what you supposed to ideally be. I think this darkness is being the devil to MoMs savior role.
Kairi has Venus imagery by the way. Her pearl necklace and being associated with the sea. Also Ava with the waves and pearl on her keyblade and her robes being the color of dawn.
Regardless of whether the Master is Sora or not, I think that sense he’s been hidden for so long he has to be a familiar face for the reveal to be more impactful. If he’s someone totally new, it won’t have the same shock value like the Luxu reveal did. Personally, I think the Master could be Sora’s ancestor. So he looks like Sora, but he’s his own character.
Nomura said something along the lines, if MoM's name was revealed, nobody would be shocked or think it's a revelation
He probably has a connection at the very least to someone we know. I dont think he is completely unrelated to anyone. Nomura will mindfuck us for sure.
Personally I would prefer a new character if it's some existing character like sora himself It would actually ruin the experience for me tho if he ends up being related to sora somehow iam fine with that i just don't want him to be sora himself also on a side note luxu doesn't even look like that luxu has been hijacking xigbars body for so long so we still haven't actually seen a true face reveal we don't really know what Luxu truly looks like not to mention his real name isn't even luxu the MOM gave him that him so we actually don't know anything about him the same case is for MOM and all the other foretellers
Of course it isn’t Sora, it’s Oasr, his secret twin brother that was created by the government in a hidden lab on the Space Colony ARK.
MARIA!
For a sec I thought you said “Osar” 😅
MoM will look like a character we're familiar with, but it will be a new character. Like a Roxas/Ven situation.
It better be Sora if Kairi becomes a master before he does.
I'll be so upset if that happens.
The thing that would fix that for me is Sora being the MoM.
But that's just me.
Another point against Sora being the Master Of Masters is Nomura said that the Master wasn't in Kingdom Hearts 3, not counting the secret movie.
tbf he could just be saying that to throw us off
@@OryanStargazer What? Noo... A creator in charge of the narrative of a story would never lie to their audience so as to keep the surprises secret thus giving fan a satisfying experience. /s
The whole time I was watching this I was yelling: I AGREEEE!
I’ve never felt like the MoM was Sora! Thx for this video!
If it does end up being Sora, I would go as far as to say that it would be character assassination. It just wouldn't feel right.
I have ALWAYS said this. It goes 100% against what Sora is suppose to represent as the main protagonist of the series.
I agree with you.
That said I have thought about this topic a long time and even though I believe MoM is his own new character I have come up with ways that the theory could work. I just like MoM being his own character better.
Time travel in KH doesn't work in such a way that a person can time travel to a point before they ever existed.
There are two forms of time travel in KH.
One, the heart travels without a vessel to a point in time where said heart already existed. This can be to either the past or future, though it would be safer and easier to travel to the past. As one knows where they have been better then they know where they are going to be. In fact this might only work in going backwards in time, until someone tries to return to their true present anyway.
I do think it is possible for a heart to maybe time travel to a past life in this fashion.
The second way is the use a vessel or in other words an incomplete Ark. This time travel causes you body to be destroyed. And to be reformed you would need a medium and a person with memories to reform you. However to have a personal object and a person with memories of you. You would have already needed to exist before wherever you ended up. Which means like the first kind of time travel you can not time travel to a time before your creation/birth. In other words Vessel time travel is best used to get into the future.
Now there are ways to make the time travel work that Sora becomes MoM.
One Sora needs to be a heart reborn. Chirithy calls this becoming a New Heart. Which is almost exactly what Sora calls himself when he talks to Ventus at the start of BBS.
Two a version of Sora would need to time travel into the past where this past life existed. That past life would then likely need to die so that Sora could reform his body. As if the same heart already exists in a time a body can not be formed even if the medium and memories exist. At least to the best of my understanding on how a body can be formed.
Three that version of Sora would need to grow to be a very different person. Which as you said just doesn't fit.
Another version of Sora is MoM that I have heard that you didn't talk about is that. MoM is Sora's past self rather then his future. I don't really believe this one either. Mostly because I think MoM is more likely to die in the present and I see no reason why a heart that dies in the present would be reborn sixteen to seventeen years ago.
One idea that could work though I don't really believe it is the idea that MoM is a broken being. His heart, body and soul are all in different places. The MoM in the back coat most likely being the Heart. Maybe Ansem the Wise being the Nobody as it would make his dislike of Nobodies be more ironic, plus they are both scientists. And MoM's Lingering Will or his Soul. The Soul being the thing that allows a person to act. That somehow attaches to Sora before he was born. It would explain why Sora's heart was able to act on it's desire to go help Ventus. Something I am sure any heart that could have noticed Ventus would have wanted to do. Though there are likely other explanations that would explain that.
Not having a body or soul could even fit MoM.
He always wears the Black Coat being a heart in a coat, brown sack, or blanket seems to be a way to keep a heart from moving on to wherever they would naturally go next. Hearts without bodies seem to need some sort of physical vessel otherwise they get swallowed up by Kingdom Hearts, the Realm of Darkness which likely has a version of Kingdom Hearts in it, or the Final World.
And not being able to act might explain his nature of tricking others into action. Because he literally can not act himself, at lest no more then Terra could without his lingering will.
Honestly I almost like that last one. I just don't actually believe it. My belief is that MoM is his own character and Sora and he echo each other like any good hero and villain will.
The “heart going back in time to be born as someone else, after death” reminds me of that short story about like, the idea that *all* people are just reincarnations of the same person (in a randomized order I guess?), as part of a preparation process so that humanity(actually a single person) will mature (and then, idk, at the end of time, enter into some larger society of beings who matured in a similar way? Idr exactly.)
Anyway, yeah, new theory: all the characters in KH are the same person (not really, only joking)
The game creators have stated that Sora is just an ordinary boy on an adventure. So the player can easily see themselves in his shoes.
Great video, I don’t think Sora is ACTUALLY the MoM tho I do think they have some form of deeper connection that is yet to be revealed
If MoM is a character we do already know of I think there’s a chance it could be Xigbar himself. I know he revealed himself to be Luxu but after rewatching all the MoM scenes and the KH3 ending I think there’s a chance he’s lying about being Luxu. It wouldn’t be too far off since we’ve seen Ansem do something similar to this before. To me the way that MoM reacts, moves and speaks during both serious and non-serious moments reflects Xigbar the best. If u rewatch the KH3 ending anytime that Luxu is brought up Xigbar smiles and pauses before speaking. The Foretellefs ask “Is it really you” but never actually ask ”Is it you Luxu” meaning Xigbar could be misguiding them in saying “Yes it’s still me after all these years” because he would still be the MoM after all these years. Ira ask “Is that you, Luxu?”and Xigbar’s response is “That’s a name I haven’t heard of in a long time”. The initial phrasing makes it seem like he’s referring to himself but what if it’s MoM talking about how he’s hasn’t heard of Luxu for a long while since he’s been time hopping constantly. Aswell as the fact that MoM says he also plays a role in the end of the world and that role has been fulfilled by Sora rewriting history. He now gets to continue after the ending of the Book Of Prophecies and carry out whatever his plan is because he’s no longer bounded by fate and destiny. It’s a really dumb theory I’ve had and could easily be debunked by saying “No it’s Luxu” but I think there’s definitely some places where it could be true. At the very least Luxu has definitely started acting like the MoM after all those years of being alone
Yes, I believe Gula is Sora.
Or rather, I think there is a Ventus connection. Even if it ends up being metaphorical.
Similarly to how the other Foretellers are Riku, Kairi, Aqua, and Terra. But not literally.
Similarities in Kingdom Hearts are never, ever coincidences.
Idk man, I feel like because the face has been hidden its gotta be a character that we've seen already at the very least. I mean hell even interviews involve a name that hasnt been heard has been cited but at the same time it could be a alias. Not to mention that if the story is inside cycles of a timeline that it could be a more jaded version of a character we've seen.
Just my opinion at the end of the day but it just seems far too late in the series to have the most crucial mystery in the entire series be a "Who tf are you?" Moment when that hood drops. I still throw my hat in the sora or riku ring just because I feel it only makes sense with how the mannerisms and approach to people is with the master. Lore as presented without outside theories that's where my guess still lands.
Idk my other guesses wouldnt be practical to story. Either a OG character from final fantasy(ff5 and before) or it's a new character meant to be a stand in for nomura himself.
He's a bag of cats. 13 cats. Because Nomura.
I'm on the Demyx camp, are there videos trying to debunk that?
Right here via Lunar Lux - ruclips.net/video/Fk98n0yYcD8/видео.html
I agree with what you are saying, but one thing to point out, your argument for the data fight evidence is weak, something we all know, it's that Nomura does 2 thing, set up stuff he knows what he will do with, or set up stuff that he is not sure what he will do with but he is going to use in the future. This can fit on either camp and it doesn't have to be something related to the MoMs. But i don't think is a detail Nomura just left there for the lols, he rarely is that kind of person. Whatever he will use it or not it's another thing.
One thing I haven’t really noticed anyone talking about is soras anti-form. If the master of master is truly a being of pure light then I feel like anti-form would be out of the cards for him. I’m not sure if there’s any lore surrounding anti-form but it’s just something I’ve been thinking about lately.
Well, the MoM did say that he would be one of 7 (along with the original union leaders and Luxu) that would house/trap in-body one of the willful darknesses, so, I don’t think “but the MoM would never have darkness within him” really fits with that?
He isn’t a princess of heart, after all.
Interesting point, is there any proof that he is carrying one of the darknesses though?
Mom says to Luxu that the keyblade war started when he was a boy. Obviosly sora is not an adult, but I would definely not call him a boy. Keyblade war for him started in KH3, when he's like 15 or 16. So that doesn't add up. He would be a boy I kh1, not all the way in kh3.
Sora also isn't the type of person to sacrifice a whole town to defeat the darkness, or his own friends (the lost masters)
I do definely think people are over-reacting too much with the eyes glitch. I think it's just a glitch, nothing more.
@phantomstar12345 fair point
@phantomstar12345 Sora hardly had ANY connection to that war whatsoever to be important enough to mention it. Also when the MoM said he was a boy when the Keyblade War happened, it's obvious he's referring to a historical event known the ALL the worlds, where as the one with Terra, Aqua and Ventus vs Xehanort and Vanitas in Birth By Sleep wasn't even known by the people of Radiant Garden, much less all the worlds, and especially Sora.
To add to your point Sora also can't be the masters of master because back when there was the key blade war in MOMs time the world's weren't separated it was one big world all the worlds separated after the keyblade war from MOMs time but in soras time the world's are already separated so obviously there are from different time periods and not are not the same person and the MOM said the keyblade war in his time went on for a long long time but for sora it literally ended like what in one day so like I said they are obviously not the same not to mention soras does not know any original darkness nor is he friends with any darkness but the masters of master is acquainted with darkness and knows the original darkness and the darkness from the masters of masters time was really different it had a form and lost it's form and got divided into thirteen darknesses but nothing like this happens with sora we literally play as sora we haven't seen anything similar happening to sora that the MOM had experienced in his time And MOM can't be an alternate version of sora because an alternate timeline would be mean that a few things differ from the original timeline but the MOMs backstory and personality is totally different to sora mom is too smart sora is dumb I don't think he can become that smart and cunning and deceitful just because he experienced something tragic his iq will still stay the same I don't know why ppl think there story is similar it's really not other then then both of them fighting the keyblade war which doesn't in any shape or form indicate that that there the same person because Riku also fought in the keyblade war riku also experienced things
what if the Master of Masters ends up being Oswald the lucky rabbit in disguise
Two Oswalds wearing a trench coat.
My line of thinking was Sora is just too justified of a character to be in another timeline/time space. It makes sense for him to meet the MoM for the fated clash.
Ex: Sora will most likely try to understand the Foretellers, MoM will very simply explain, before they perish after becoming vessels of 'darkness'. Probably deeming him a true Keyblade Master thereafter. 🤷🏻♂️
Glad we're all still here for the ride ♥️
I remember hearing a theory long ago of the Master of Masters being a new character named Light. I've kinda stuck with that one.
That was also me, lol - ruclips.net/video/uRTwBFpKETc/видео.htmlsi=AcyVKkWeQPq9IvWv
The identity of the Foretellers and MoM can make or break KH as a series. If these characters are anyone we already know, Square will have failed.
MoM and the Fortellers better end up being MoM and the Fortellers.
At worst I can accept Luxord or Demyx being one of them.
at worst? you must mean at best. :P
I don't agree with that if it's a completely new character I would be really disappointed, it's very difficult to be surprised or shocked and it's still bad when you leave a character hidden like that, I think that everyone was surprised when luxu turned out to be xigbar and it's not for nothing
@@ghostofsushi5181 everyone loved xigbar, making him an overarching bad guy for the games was an absolute win.
Landi, how come we don't see the x- blade at the keyblade war during union cross?
Talking about MoM taking over sora would be interesting, but I imagine it's more possible he would want sora to be a vessel for the 13th darkness, since I'm pretty sure riku is no longer a proper candidate given even xehanort couldn't use him as a vessel, kairi is a princess of heart, and I imagine most of the Disney characters probably wouldn't be suitable hosts either.
Likewise, the former organization members likely have a good grasp of how darkness works, and with xion and Roxas having replica bodies, it's possible they might not be good vessels either.
Like, a lot of characters just aren't good vessels for that final darkness. But given how we've seen sora slowly, if not unwillingly, tap into darkness with anti and rage form, and how he's definitely tapped into his anger and other emotions more as the series has gone on, his deep dive into the realm of sleep that almost got him norted as well, he's probably a perfect host.
Though I do think it's possible that after being thwarted, MoM might decide to become a vessel for darkness himself, as a last resort, but that might very well lead to a much more dangerous combination than anyone can really comprehend.
The whole point is to get the remaining darknesses in human form so they can actually be destroyed, which ultimately sounds like that means MoM id also planning to strike down the other lost masters, and that would also mean he'd be going after ventus since he at least had a darkness inside him. Given the cutscene from remind where sora is in ventus' heart and is expelled by darkness though, I imagine that darkness is still there, lurking, lying in wait...
So there's definitely a lot of interesting things that can happen in kh4 and beyond. Whether they play out this way or I'm way off the mark is anyone's guess though lol.
I’m just going to say it’s a unique character (as it should be). Ben Diskin already said he knows the name of the Master and it’s not someone’s name we already know.
Even if it’s like demyx’ or Luxords somebody name we haven’t heard yet, theres plenty of other media that maybe proves it’s not them either.
Disney/KH wouldn’t be dumb enough to use Sora as the MoM because that makes marketing and merchandising a nightmare when your main character is other people too.
Just my opinion.
If you really think he's not obligated under contract to not talk about things like that or lie about it then you are definitely not a working adult. It's called confidentiality.
I loved this video. The only thing i can say about the dark timeline argument is the argument against was that Kairi and Riku were there. If he (Sora) survived he's the only important one or the one that matters because he's still around. If Kairi never saved him and he lived he'd be alone and when he got swarmed by heartless he lost his faith because he believed his friends were his power. And the series is getting darker so why give us the bad timeline if it wasn't relevant? I mean this as my opinion i love your vids man and i agreed with all the rest.
Absolutely, thats a great point - that perspective does make that particular scenario a little more plausible
Yknow, in regards to poses. There isnt exactly that many poses someone can do when they carry a weapon in one hand
something to rememebr is that in the kh universe its entirly possible to print bodys and make hearts that can then be edited into an entirly diffrent being.
you can print bodys by using the time machine to make you a body around your heart.
you can make hearts by emptying a formerly filled body.
you can dive into anothers heart or overtake theirs with your own if your a master or could flat out rewrite someone to edit them into someone completly diffrent (roxas becomes diffrent from sora and ventus despite being made from them).
Just want to put on the table that even if Sora is just a normal person that its possible there could be some people walking around in the KH universe that were crafted for a reason using these methords he both knows and likely discoved before or after the gazing eye.
Also consider what we know about time travel. It isnt conformed that someone like sora could not travel into the future or past by possessing roxas. So the question is. What is the limit for how diffrent the vessel you want to possess can be from you when time traveling? Looks? Heart? Being reconised as that person?
Sora is not the master because a reveal of sora being the master of masters is so dumb I don't think even nomura could contrive it into existence
there was a video i saw here on youtube once saying art was done by square for something and there was a dragon with a heart emblem or something like that in the art made for promotion of something and it had the person wondering what if the master isnt human and hes actually a dragon and thats why his eye looks that way. and why he cant do things humans can he can shapeshift but he doesnt have a heart like the rest of the cast.
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(Great video btw)
What about all the other images where sora's eye colour changes? It's not just in the data battle it happens consistently throughout KH3 when Sora interacts with characters related to MOM/ The age of fairy tales. Also there are plenty of stories that exist where a character like Sora becomes a character like MOM.
The Keyblade War is like the DC Crisis tradition minus the reboot that comes after
ok so the gazing eye segment I take issue with. the green ring around the pupil is visible on sora but its really hard to make out in some ways... everything else makes sense.
Landi there is so much proof that either can be the case. But i do believe that luxu maybe a new member of the light crew.
it 100% does not make any sense for these characters to be the same guy.
Hold up you said the key blade war took place in bbs. Not true. They just talked about the one from union cross
He is so unique He should not be anyone is stupid
It would have been really cool if he was, but now everyone and their mother has either had this theory or heard someone with it one, it would seem lame if that is what happens.
I feel like this could reaffirm the theory more than it disproves it. All your points still leave the recipient in an optimistic state. But your ending theory makes a lot of sense and kind of has me considering in that direction. Also you're right, Sora only operates in goodness and light.
What if MOM is soras ancestor just how arden izunia was the ancestor of noctis
There are some similarities/parallels between Arden and the MOM what if nomura is going down the similar route of making MOM the ancestor of sora
This isn’t a theory or anything, but it'd be a weird or cool reveal to say the destiny trio and the wayfinders, and the union x guys are the master of masters friends as split people. Like ventus and sora being just 2/3rd of one of his friends. And they are completely unaware.
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Watching Union X. Just noticed something interesting that gave me a pretty interesting theory for MOM. Cool to share here or can recommend a good place to?
Ooo this will be fun 😊
I don’t really think Sora should be him but the theory intrigued me so much I made a alternate timeline where that would remotely work. Mmm so yeah 🤷♀️
Tbh, I think all of the evidence points to Riku. Now, obviously like you said, a lot of the evidence applies to everyone we know. But we can reasonably assume it's a humanoid, and specifically a man. And something should imediately catch everyone's attention. "I'm the only one who's relevant." Unless the master of masters is Xehanort, we literally don't know any other keyblade weilders arrogant enough to claim that, especially out of those considered central to the plot. We could go with Axel but Axel just isn't on Riku's level of intelligence. After witnessing sora disappear, followed by likely some hyperspecific scenario that allows him to come back, likely by pulling his remains or his heart or something out of the black box, he could have come up with this whole plan to make a small enough tweak to the timeline to make sure he comes back. Riku seems like the type who would do anything to save sora, even follow an entire guidebook of attrocities just to reach a specific prophesy which saves soras life in the end
I have two kind of contradictory theories.
Sora is a copy of the Master of Masters, kind of like Reliku but he was created as a more complete replica. And Yozora is another copy made for a different purpose. The only reason I think this is because Yozora said Sora isn't the real Sora and hinted that the real Sora is in his heart under his protection. But I also think the Master of Masters' true name is Hikari or something like that, so maybe the real Sora is someone else entirely.
When timelines and changing future was made posssible in the KH universe is it's possible that Sora did become MoM, events change who we are based on what happened to us in life, we become better, worse, ragefull, bitter or even try to hide our sadness with sarcasm wich the MoM has a lot.
For me MoM will be "Sora" but not the Sora we know, Vanitas takes Sora's form and it is confirmed the Darkness was Vanitas so why can't MoM be Light and have Sora's face but bieng a different character at the same time, i would love MoM taking of the hoodie to show an adult Sora face to out young Sora
The only character that was always present in any timeline in the story is ‘ventus’, that is the young MoM…
I do feel like Mom is sora missing ancestor or something with emphasis of families and what not recently we don't know much about sora
Honestly I rather have the Master of Masters being his own character than Sora or Demyx being the MoM..
Although I do agree with the possibility of him potentially stealing Sora’s body with a similar technique kinda like Luxu’s method.
I just hope that part will have a more accurate explanation. 🤔
MoM is gonna end up having Nomura's name as an anagram.
I thought he may be sora the first time I learned of the character. After about 5 minutes of thinking about it I thought it would be absolutely asinine if it were true.
I hope that ONE day, we will know who The Master of Masters is. Imagine like GRRM never finishing his A Song of Ice And Fire Book Series but then Nomura never finishing his Kingdom Hearts Series and answering that one important question who is Master of Masters?!
Saying Sora and MoM can't be the same person because they have some difference in like MoM being more scheming, intelligent, and less moral, that's not really uncommon in fallen timeline stories where the theory is saying MoM is an older Sora
Nomura has plotyed this story for over 20 years. He will soon be king of the world
To me it sounds like you don’t want sora to be the master of masters. But on an unbiased view I feel as if it is possible. Sora somewhere down the line could have lost everything and the only way to get his friends back was being MoM. Also I could see sora manipulating people to get his friends back if it’s a last resort. The whole kingdom hearts is about sora fighting to reunite his friends and stuff. So ultimately he will do anything to do so. This is just my speculation considering he already went through so much for them… MoM ain’t to far off the scale
Sora is still a child to me ya know? Just like we can have a positive moral compass as children and young adults, enough trauma, enough failures, things being taken, constantly trying and failing, can lead to a darkness that can grow and over come, I think if he went through all that, then yes Sora very wwll could be him. Older, having experiences life and the darkness and realizing that having hope isn't gonna fix the issues and he has to take it into his own hands, even if he has to deceive and manipulate to reach his goals.
It could possibly even be Soras dad, bekng as We've never met or have seen him. Or an Ancestor of Soras in some form
Your video actually made be believe the theories even more XD
Not that I believe MoM is Sora but just like in death note, how Light gave up his memories, what if MoM can do the same thing? We’ve seen Xehanort lose his memories
Sure if u go one by one u could debunk anybody being related to anything, but guess what, it’s kingdom hearts, they add hints to stuff for reasons, and when u have 25 different things pointing to one person more than anything else u can’t just go through and say no bc of one reason or another, it’s still a connection u just don’t like
Its Donald, puny mortals.
It pleases me to see I'm not the only one who doesn't believe in that theory. I'm glad someone madee such a great argument about it.
MoM is a Nomura self insert. Or maybe it was in our faces all along, it's Sora's mom!
As the Joker said one time “All it takes to break a person is One Bad Day…” it would be interesting to see Sora and a failed Sora from another timeline. He himself self would be a paradox if that happened a never ending game with the darkness maybe he is sick of it and just wanted to end it by whatever means necessary?
Also read the xigbar at character file summary thingy he said something interesting? That always caught my attention about the Keyblade war
War and loss can change anyone for the worst, especially someone like Sora who needs his friends as he derives all facets of his power from his connection to them. Him changing so drastically is not impossible if let's say an alternate version of him didn't use the power of waking to alter what happened or used it and failed to change the events in a meaningful enough way to stop the first events at the KBG from happening.
Sora being revealed as the Master of Masters would be the most predictable reveal ever if you ask me
My theory is that the master of masters could be Sora from a different reality were he gave into darkness.
the reverse copium is STRONG with this one haha but this actually lowkey convinced me that Sora *is* the MoM even more 😅 - Key
Hmm mayve MOM is Soras father or great great grandfather.
I actually like the idea of a fallen timeline sora being the master but I’d rather him be a whole new character with hmmm light blue hair lol idk why I said the last part
I think the best evidence is the opening scenes to remind
Yozora is trying to save Sora from becoming MoM.
My guess is MoM is Luxord, since he seems to have a connection to both the ancient times and Quadratum, why else would Xigbar/Luxu question who he is maybe he recognises him as the MoM
Luxord is already the Driver/Chauffeur/Servant of Yozora though. We hear him talking to Yozora in the real ending cutscene for the Secret Episode and said cutscene can only be unlocked by winning against Yozora.
@@EUM_NEMESIS We can’t be so sure about that Nomura could pull anything
@@luigiRobs14 There is no evidence pointing to the MoM being Luxord's somebody. There is the difference in voice and the difference in body shapes.
The only time where we saw a human change their shape and voice was when Riku transformed into his Ansem form during 358/2 Days and KH2. Otherwise there has been no other time where a human transformed.
(Note that Ansem Seeker of Darkness is a heartless and Sora was already a heartless when Kairi transformed him back into a human in KH1)
There have literally been no other times where you saw someone change things like that. There have also been no cases of magic that could do that so that falls out as well. So tell me, would ut even be possible to implement your theory into the KH Story?
I think it would make for a cooler storyline if sora and master opposed each other
Maybe the master of master sora father? Or maybe Sora is Clone this would explain why Sora has trouble remembering and it's had to keep track on memories?
Im going to jump the gun before I finish watching the video and say, Sora CANT be MoM because Sora is a short king and MoM is tall af
I agree you completely to me it actually does make sense
Bro is jamming to hard, the Master being Sora is a silly theory, and is only decent because it would be a nomura thing to do, but it is just a theory and the point of theories is that they might not be true, some are more cracked then others
kind of hope MoM ends up being demyx since that would be super funny
I think The Master of Masters is Riku and Sora fused together like Yozora looks. And I think The Master of Masters... performed Forbidden Action to save themselves from Failure. So, the Master of Masters created themselves to create Sora and Riku to create themselves and loop the entire Kingdom Hearts Timeline until he saved themselves. After all, Nomura has stated the series is all about Sora and Riku. So, it would make sense the Master of Masters authored his own existence in a Time loop Paradox.
And The Master would be the most relevant, because Riku is the Light and the Portal to the Final World. No Riku. Darkness prevails.
Also, Riku and his Darkness are manipulators. See KH1.
MoM is demyx
I believe iits demyx
Yozara said he’s trying to save Sora he could be talking about the Future Sora who is the Master of Masters
I feel like the master of master could be somehow connected to noctis.
I didn’t know JWittz made KH content
The strongest evidence of Sora being not the Master is how time travel works in the world of Kingdom Hearts. I mean just take it logically:
You need a Goal/Waypoint to time travel. This waypoint is a version of you which exists what you know of from:
Young Xehanort could travel to the time of Ansem SoD beceause Ansem SoD travelled to the time from Young Xehanort to tell him.
Sora time Travels to Times which he already experienced because he knows he existed there.
Maleficent travels to the farthest point in the past just to notice that this is not the past she remembered.
Maleficent is also the best example to explain why Sora can't be the MoM.
But anyway. In UX we learn there is another way to time travel into the future and this is through creating a waypoint with memories and a medium. This also happens to Maleficent. Since time travel into the future is not relevant for Sora being the MoM since the MoM is in the past we can exclude this at all. All what's important is the way to know how you can travel without a waypoint.
So to travel further in the past then you youself know there has to be a version of you in the past and it happens by accident. If you have no version in the past you need a medium and someone with memories....and if we simply take this logically. Why was there a version of Maleficent? Because of the Book of Prophecies which is a look into the future. The Book was created from the Master so it is already impossible that he made a Version of Sora prior to writing the Book correct? And if he can't make a version before writing the Book Sora can't be the one who written it. So we can also exclude there is a version of Sora in the Past that the Master possesses as long as there is not second Book of Prophecies written even further in the past.
Next medium and memories. How on earth should someone remember a person that has yet to exist? How on earth should someone have an Item attached to a person that has yet to exist? I mean if the person could watch in the future...yes...but we talk about the MoM being Sora. And the MoM can't remember himself to travel in the past. So we again need someone new with another look into the future for this to work. So if not suddenly a second guy/girl emerges from some random never told point in time it is again impossible for the Sora to be MoM.
But you know what? To finally bury this theory in the ground let's just say hypothetical that Sora indeed is the MoM then here the contradictions:
- Luxu don't recognize him...at all.
- He was not there during the BBS Keybladewar and he said he fought in it not being on a different world. Also other Keybladewielders are not from the official translation. The official translation only says others and the Master say "Yes but they don't really count." letting one believe that they are not even Keybladewielders in the first place.
- We never see Darkness giving up his Form to split into 13 True Darknesses....that has to happen if the Master saw it. In none of the 3 Keybladewars we have seen was this ever shown.
And just for records to really think this through. IF he is the Master then Sora is born in a time that is already in split worlds because of himself...whitness the destruction of his Island because of someone which only acted because he told him to do. Stole a Keyblade from his friend that only got the Keyblade because the person he told him to do acted prior. Got the Heart of a friend inside his because she only entered the Island because the person he told him to do send her during memory loss coming from actions he told him to do and this actions supposely happened in a Keybladewar he was "present". He created a Keyblade to see the future he whitnessed already himself. He took a Coat on to protect himself from Darkness...a coat he associated with evil, and was given this "bad guys" from himself because he created them seemingly. Then he...somehow...time travels back to a time he never existed in before to do all this ridicoulus stuff I just mentioned to himself, somehow is able to trick Luxu that he never regocnizes his past self and even tries to capture Darkness in a timeline where it shouldn't exist...because if he whitnessed as a Boy the Split of the Darkness then it has to happen years before he trained Luxu and the others. And since he says he was just a boy....and he somehow time travels back then he has only 2 Years from KH4 on to whitness this stuff. So it has to happen in the future to make somehow sense and Darkness suddenly then appears in the said form in the past? Did all 13 Darknesses also time travel to the past just for Sora being the MoM?
In conclusion. This is one of the most stupidest theories I ever heard and it has no base. It is a theory crumbling already on a sand ground with flood coming up while the architect was drunk while building the house and the house itself has no walls and was build upside down.
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What atrocities did the master of masters commit? Never understood this take that people have. And how was he deceitful? He told them exactly what was going to happen. If they followed their roles perfectly nothing would have happened, but he knew they wouldn't be able to.
He manipulated them pretty clearly. He used them as vessels for true darkness without telling any of them the truth.
Dude it’s obviously Donald because Nomura.
He gonna start Zettaflare 2.0
You’re saying Sora can’t change , but we’ve seen characters change . Just because he’s an innocent kid now doesn’t mean he can’t grow up to be a monster … xehanort was kind and loving .. and saw enough that changed him… eraqus was kind as well to and would NEVER, raise his keyblade to a companion . He eventually did against xehanort .. and then even worse to ventus when he attempted to kill him.. change in a bad way is very very possible . … if only you knew my friend And also? We don’t know what he went through throughout his lifetime that could make him change . .. you’re all saying the master of master isn’t Sora and one piece is because a voice actor said they heard his name and it wasn’t a familiar one…. What if he just changed his name??? Changed body. Changed name . Wanted to forget so he took on a new identity. Anything is possible in kingdom hearts
isn't master of masters just kind of like, God? he'll never be the final antagonist of the series. He's not anyone, someone else will be him.
The master of master is Edgar Rice Buroughs
M.O.M.
you know who else has "mom" on their name?
sora's mom.