I think the unknown force that kicks you out of a dungeon when you have been on a floor too long is the dungeon collapsing in on itself. What I mean is that since mystery dungeons are randomised, they can only exist in a certain for so long before randomising again, and no one in the games knows how the dungeons randomise, they only know that dungeon randomising happens. So maybe the unknown force can’t actually be comprehended by Pokemon. The unknown force causes disturbances in the dungeon such as a wind picking up or the ground starting to shake, suggesting that it’s become more and more unstable, and if you wait too long you faint. Maybe you faint because the disturbances get too strong and cause a mini-natural disaster that KOs you, or maybe you get trapped in the dungeons walls when it is reforming into a new randomised layout, or the power that can randomise dungeons is so strong that that’s what KOs you. Idk lol it’s just what I think
When I first played through Darkness, my kid brain was a) terrified of the unknown force and b) assumed it was Arceus. For some reason. You spent too long in this dungeon so now God just shows up to kick you out.
I never questioned it because I never saw it as anythIng other than a game mechanic but I really like your explanation. Randomized dungeons can't stay the same way for too long.
Theres more to the IGN rating. It wasnt just low. The reviewer admitted in the critique they got bored and quit in Apple Woods, basically meaning that they quit like 10% in and felt they could rate it accurately.
@@aquanaridllcl970 I tried reading this and what?? I mean IGN has always been shit, let's be honest. Not just with pokemon, but other games. I mean they gave COD ghost a 8.8, which is objectively a garbage game.
@@aquanaridllcl970 IGN is decentralized, meaning they give bad reviews because there's no underlying basis for the games they like. You enter the lottery any time you read a review.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this but: There's this rare event in Explorers (idk if this can also happen in the other installments) where you simply just can't complete a mission because "The target is nowhere to be found" or something and the destination floor just becomes a single giant room. The first time I experienced that I was SO CONFUSED, even slightly creeped out. Now I just found it kind of annoying, but it still intrigues me that Chunsoft planned for that possibility and I still don't know for what purpose lol
I think it's because the player simply took too long to rescue the pokemon and it fainted from hunger. Another theory I have is that it took damage from the weather. I once did a rescue mission to Dark Crater and while I was doing the mission a Hippowdown's sandstorm caused the pokemon to faint while I was in the same floor as the pokemon. The text said "Pidgey fainted..." but it didn't sent me home.
Read the comment by Darkphenix Channel above: "the game tries to generate dungeon until it get one that working, and if after 10 times the dungeon is still not valid, it just generate a giant monster house on the all floor."
God the unknown force was so cool as a kid! I always wondered if it was like your character losing themselves and becoming violent like the rest of the pokemon in the dungeons.
Very well done! I don't see enough people dig into Mystery Dungeon like this and this is exactly what I wanted to see out of that original iceberg pic. Lot of stuff I didn't know even though I'm very into PMD! Also really heartening to hear the transgender positivity :)
There's one weird thing I always used to do in Rescue Team that I never hear anyone talk about. When an opposing Pokémon faints, its sprite turns semi-transparent for a small animation. When you press and hold the shoulder buttons at the exact right time, that Pokémon will not disappear (or come back to ask you to join your team), but instead return to its normal idle position, but semi-transparent, until you let go of the buttons. This does nothing useful except look cool, but when I was a kid, I was convinced that there must be a purpose for this function, so I tried to do it all the time, hoping for it to increase recruiting probability or something. This even worked for the mirage Deoxys of Meteor Cave which were semi-transparent by design and became slightly more transparent when pulling off this trick.
Shedinja is the strongest pokemon in PMD sky. It gets a room wide attack, a straight line attack, plenty of good options at close range, and with three species items, it can only be damaged by two types of attack. It can also walk into walls to escape bad situations, and can cut corners in dungeons (which is the equivalent to a free turn, basically). tl;dr 15/17 immunities, a room wide attack that can +1 your stats, and ghost perks Feed it enough vitamins and Shedinja is completely unstoppable
Was looking at this all and you're right, Shedinja seems very powerful when maxed, my concerns were traps and weather effects, but with trap seer and a weather band, well, yeah. I guess I stand corrected on Smeargle being the potential strongest, Shedinja is insane.
I also think basic attacks only deal 1 damage on Shedinja, since the game has that rule set in place so Shedinja doesn’t instadie in one basic attack (since it only has 5 hp by default). You would have to feed him nearly 2000 vitamins (a process I’m undertaking now) to have him completely maxed out - that’s a lot of wondermail codes. Run Mind Reader linked with Silver Wind, Bug Buzz, and Shadow Ball. You have a 100% accurate room-wide move with a chance to buff all your stats, Bug Buzz is the most powerful single-target bug move in the game, and shadow ball is for hitting enemies at range. You’re lacking a little bit in terms of PP, but since you’re nearly untouchable use your basic attacks to conserve PP, and bring lots of elixers. You don’t even really need to use silver wind on a monster house unless you’re at a type disadvantage.
@@SpaceySoundy It’s also worth noting that Shaymin-S can get a permanent +3 speed boost with a x2 attack speed bonus if I’m not mistaken, allowing it to outrun any threats and attack 6x per turn. Only works in clear weather, however. You’ll still get killed by line moves like Ice Beam some times when you don’t expect it however. Lots of fun interactions like that in the game. I’m always trying to find more (:
@@moonmoon4537 Shaymin-S is GREAT for soloing dungeons in Sky, yeah. It has PERMANENT double speed, so... Any clear weather dungeon can be demolished with ease, since you get 2 turns for any other Pokemon's 1.
Grovyle and dusknoir relationship is so intense and meaningful. Dusknoir is a perfect example of the bad-guy-turned-good without becoming OOC or ridicolous, also his moves are meant perfectly to face grovyle's (there is a reddit post that explains it) and the double twist on the end, man it was so good and exciting. Too bad they aren't a popular ship, I bet if grovyle was a female there would be a tons (enemies that turn friends or lovers is such a interesting topic, just see how many fan art exist about judy and nick from zootropolis). But I think the ship grovyle x dusknoir is already perfect, and I'm happy that you like it too!
The wind in the dungeon used to creep me out a lot. It’s just so ominous and dreadful. My friend had a theory that it’s lugia, but it lacks a lot of evidence.
I don’t think bidoof created the end of the world. I think he saved the world. The player and their partner weren’t the target of darkrai’s plans in the main game, they thwarted it. My theory is that bidoof may have placed the human and their partner on the way to save the world: saving the human when the corridor of time was shattered, and placing the relic piece in your partner’s way. So if Bidoof wished for them to join the guild, I don’t think they doomed the world in any way.
Wigglytuff being supposed to be the main character doesn't make sense, considering the bad future exists, meaning in the original timeline without the protagonist there was noone to save Temporal Tower.
"Wigglytuff is trans!" me: (sweating profusely) "Maybe she did transition between the events of Explorers and Super! And if so, good for her." me: (audible sigh of relief) (on a similar note thank you for using they/them for the legendaries !! :'D)
There's a rarely noticed glitch in European/Berlin batch of Super MD, that causes your partner to be always female. The option that is supposed to make the partner either male or female is in the quiz (choosing cool or cute description for the partner), but for whatever reason they always turn out to be a girl? You can see that with their portrait, partner will use a flipped picture like other confirmed females. Bizzare.
I could tell you guys, but I think it would be way more exciting if u guys rather play it or look for it yourselves... Though I'll give u guys a hint, it's on PSMD At the last half part of the game's main story ;) (If u guys give up or just simply dgaf, let me know so i spoil it for u)
Yo real story here, I use to gorge play Red rescue team alot on my old gba, and I whole heartedly remembered this monster house I encountered, cause of the sheer sight of it. I was in sky tower, pretty deep in, 30-33 floors I think, well I went into a room and I saw the texts "It's a Monster House!" And I got ready, I ran Blaziken and Pikachu. And I shit you not, the room filled with Masquerains. I thought for a second, "ok I got this, they're still bug types." But that hope died when, one after another did Silver Wind. Never in my life did I see reviver seeds drain as fast as it did that day for me.. I blacked out and I dreaded ever encountering that sight again. It's been 14 years since then, and I have never encountered that monster house again. But I know one day I will again. And I hope I will be ready for it.
Theory about the 6th time gear : There are indeed 5 Time Gears, and 5 known Time gear locations : the three lakes, Treeshroud Forest and Limestone Cavern. But actually, this last one was added in Sky, in the Team Charm's special episode. So maybe in TD, they were intending to leave the 5th time gear's locations unknown (and imply it's the volcano one), and then retconned themselves in Sky.
Great work BUT I have to correct you at one point. Arceus can be seen at one point in Explorers of Sky! At the end of a giant Dungeon I forgot the name of, some Tower, extremely hard and all, you find a giant ARCEUS Statue!
About Gardevoir's secret council, I do have my theory..... though it's spoilers for Gates to Infinity below: It's revealed mid-game in Gates that the one that turned the human into a pokemon is a being called the "Voice of Life" in the form of an Hydreigon, who in the story has said to have caused many humans to be turned into a pokemon. And to top it all of, the Voice of Life isn't a singular entity, since it once referred to "voiceS of life" existing aside from the one in-game. What if that secret council was the many Voices of Life? The mysterious voice that talked to the human when they were being sent back could be one of them telling you that all your friends are heartbroken and that you can go back if you truly wish for it (Surprisingly it's what the Voice of Life of Gates discovers in the post game. Gates: a prequel to the series????). Maybe, the Ninetales actually cursed Gardevoir into becoming one of these voices? We could go EVEN DEEPER. What if the Pink Celebi of Explorers.... was a Voice of Life? It would explain why a SHINY of a mythical pokemon (mythical in the pokemon world means its unique, there aren't a second.) exists! What if it wasn't Darkrai's attack that caused your transformation into a pokemon... but the pink celebi secretly transforming you into one to be better prepared against danger? If we go to pokemon super mystery dungeon, there is a cameo appearence of Gates' Voice of Life that seems to know the character but is shocked to find that he doesn't remember it. It could be 4th wall breaking, but it could also hint that the one that brought PSMD's human into the pokemon world was the same one that brought Gates' human. (If you think about it, we have no answer as to who/what caused the player's transformation into a pokemon compared to other games.) We should not forget that all these games have been developped by "Chunsoft" (Chunsoft for PMD 1 and 2 THEN Spike Chunsoft for 3 and 4) so it isn't impossible that they built the world and lore as they developped these games, retconning things along the way.
I have a recruited Darkrai on my save and he always talks about how "the darkness is still inside of me, I still can feel it at times." Probably meaning its the same Darkrai but with memory loss. But somehow he remembers the wicked stuff he did?? Im not really sure
I might not get a reply to this but here’s a plot for a mystery dungeon game. Cyrus ends up in the MD world as a corrupted version of a pseudo legend and basically ends up making a new Team Galactic that ends up being the team you have to join to work your way up to take over yourself and remake the team from the inside and Cyrus goes ballistic after all the hard work he’s done being undone by your team and allies. He ends up searching for the creation Trio but gets beaten all 3 times until he decides a to go after Arceus instead and instead of fighting Arceus like he tried against the trio he uses a new origin item to control Arceus and you and the Trio team up to beat Arceus first then Cyrus decides to just power himself up with the origin item and basically gets deformed into a corrupted Arceus like being
Red Dungeon Team was just re released on Nintendo Switch Online GBA and I have been playing it NON STOP. It's everything I remembered from back in the day, and I just can't stop all the same. Pokemon Ranger and Mystery Dungeon were my favorite spin off games for sure! Underrated and so good!! With a great storyline honestly. Mystery Dungeon had me in tears several times especially at the end! I also did end up with an EV on my first go round of the OG Mystery Dungeon! During my replay right now though I ended up as Totodile. Which I'm still totally fine with.
i’m pretty sure there’s actually a Micheal Jackson reference in Gates to Infinity. One of the descriptions you can see for fighting someone in a dungeon quest, it can say “I’m bad. Really bad. And strong! Try me!” ‘I’m bad. Really bad.’ Is lyrics to one of his songs but idk
well there's also a part in the ORAS postgame where you find Looker washed up likely a faller from an ultra wormhole, tho it's believed that every individual pokemon cartitridge is a parallel Universe (thus confirming parallel Universes with varying alterations like like mega and non) presumably Looker's Mysery Dungeon doppelganger got transported to the mainline universe and vice versa with amnesia similar how pokemon have different forms depending on the title like Primal Dialga, Mega Evolution or other changes like the Fairy Typing
34:06 It doesn't. The ones that are already there when you steal something stay normal. However, after you commit the theft, only Kecleons will spawn, and the spawn rate goes WAY up. Normal Pokémon stay normal, and they don't spawn that fast anyways. Theory disproven.
My guess about the Time Gear one is that there's Multiple Time Gears, more then the 5 we need to save the world. It would make sense, because why would there only be 5, all Localized on the Grass Continent?
This!!! I agree on that too, they never said ingame that there would only be 5 gears in total, only 5 gears to save the temporal tower!!
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For the PSMD Wigglytuff thing: likely a translation error, as that is only present in the English version. Other translations still refer to him as male.
I really loved watching this, I love the mystery dungeon games. The music is amazing, the story and characters are engaging. I enjoy playing them a lot more than a lot of the new main series games. It was nice to listen to someone who is just as passionate about them :)
Speaking of the planetary investigation team, i can say that it most likely was a translation error. I have played the german versions of the game, and there grovile says it like this:"when looking at the state of the planet, it showed that...", so being way more general.
I think one of the big theories about the mysterious force is that it is whatever curse that causes the mystery dungeons in the first place. Something about the curse not wanting "outsiders" (ie non enemy pokemon) for too long because they just come in and fuck shit up. Also i always found the recruitment process for these games kinda weird??? Like bro u were literally just trying to kill me 2 seconds ago. Imagine youre just walkin home from 711 and some dude tries to deck you for... Being near him?? For just existing in general?? Maybe for your food??? Anyways u beat the shit out of him and suddenly he just. Is fine. Hes your friend now. He would die for you. Congratulations. Like can enemy pokemon talk?? I dont think they come to town. They steal your money sometimes but they just live in the wild what tf are they gonna do with that. Can you bargain with them??? Why is their first instinct just kill on sight?? How does it feel if youre a bidoof and you find an enemy bidoof in a dungeon and hes coming to kill you? I dont think any of the npcs really talk about this its just like "oh the mystery dungeon curse and natural disasters is making some pokemon pretty cranky" sir these pokemon literally want to kill me how are we all morally okay with this
Explorers of the sky has been my Dark Souls game before I began playing Dark Souls. Until today, I was never able to defeat Dialga, but trying is better than whining.
Me: **is here for trivia that I already know** This video: “Don’t seek validation by having the same opinions as someone else, love yourself and what you love!” Me (crying on the floor): Thank you, I will🫡
If you count up all the time gears, there are three between Mesprit, Azelf, and Uxie, plus Treeshroud Forest's gear, leaving the volcano gear as the fifth. Presumably Groyvle either stole that one after the Treeshroud one (which he says is his first) and before seeking the lake spirits' gears, or he didn't take it until after the guild agreed to help gather them up once they learned the truth about him. If I recall, he went around regathering the gears offscreen before teaming up with the player and partner in the Hidden Land. Edit: Never mind, I forgot Limestone Cavern from the Team Charm episode holds a time gear. Very peculiar. It seems Explorers of Sky introduced an inconsistency in the plot here, unless the gear was later moved or something.
I always imagined the wind being the force that changes the layout of the dungeon since it canonically always changes. You get forced out as it alters.
God I remember the trauma of Temporal Tower and Temporal Spire Monster houses. I either had to get lucky enough to get a good orb or KO the Porygon line IMMEDIATELY. most of the other stuff also terrifies me, from Metagross and Salamence who gave me terror to Bronzong BEING A LEGITIMATE NIGHTMARE TO HURT DUE TO THE ONLY SUPEREFFECTIVE MOVES YOU CAN USE ON THE DAMN THINGS BEING FIGHTING MOVES THANKS TO THE ABILITY STACK THING
For some time I've had the theory that Dusk Forest is Sky Peak Forest in the paralyzed future. There's music similarities that get me wondering if it's the case.
Here's some stuff that might have been added Kecleon kills clients in dungeons and dying from spontaneous laughter (because of a counterfeit item) Ok so the first one, I was at Mt. Faraway in Rescue Team like in 2007, I did a mission of finding a Machamp in the dungeon, and there was a Kecleon shop in the same room, I made the dumbest thing of using a trawl orb while on water (I was a Swampert with max IQ) which draws all items from the dungeon floor nearby, which if you use them while there's a Kecleon shop it counts as shoplifting, so when the kecleons started to roll out they just straight up killed the client.
Oof! Yea! I was just in World Abyss the other day, Sing, Cute Charm, and Double slap is killer- Darn Delcatty! (Female Pikachu vs mostly male Delcatty...Didn't see many females, maybe one or two...) But also, Earth Power.... Thank goodness I got my hands on a Zapper scarf- and a Sacred scarf! Me and an Ampharos recruit traversed the World Abyss and kicked Giratina tail! I was gonna go with a team of me, my partner, Ampharos, and an Absol recruit, but my partner and Absol kept getting taken out by Nidoqueens spamming Earth power. So I just stripped the team to just Ampharos and I, a lot of reviver seeds, some other items, and those two exclusive items, but yea if we didn't have those items, we'd be done for....Soooo many Nidoqueens with Earth power....Yikes!.....
I don't think the timer on the dungeons is separated from the lore, it's mentioned that the floors change each time you visit a mystery dungeon so maybe there's a set period of time between each change of the layout and the force that changes the layout is what's approaching. It would explain why you get kicked out as well because the floor resets.
In the Kecleon mart part I thinks there's an error: the Kecleon mart buy and sell items from explorators and you can know it by talking about infos at the shop The mysterious force that kicks out of dungeon maybe could be the same force that change and create new dungeons. This force I think was generated by the change in the balance in the world with a "catastrophic event". This same event wiped out all umana in the world of MD. The video, music, editing and story are all great!
For the pokémon into the apple thing, theoretically you could trigger a trap that turns items to Pokémon. But would they transform to their original selves?
@@shuggythebuggy7595 dont be too sure about that, theres FUCK TON of mystery dungeon material out there in internet wich doesnt seem to be product of regular fans only, but really people who loved pokemons, specially different types of fanfics with variable topics such as romance to lust, violence to blood and even some twists to the pokemon world like the idea of possessing bodies . Its pretty wild
@@gaothhermesk1289 I’m just sick of people in the pmd community saying “EvErYOne iS a FuRrY!!” Because it’s such a generalisation and I’m sick of it. Nobody like being labelled but they do it all the time
@@shuggythebuggy7595 well of course no all pmd fans are, but the ones that do, really have an important precense, and not to say that even being a really vocal group, pmd fandom its pretty smasll wich is a shame
23:54 - My personal theory is that the reason Azurill's nightmare has hostile versions only of specific folks from town is because those are the people who he knows to be the friendliest; while he's generally fine while awake, his memory of Drowzee (the Pokemon who'd acted _nice and friendly before suddenly turning hostile_ towards him and his sibling,) still haunts him on a subconscious level. After all, if _one_ Pokemon who'd seemed perfectly nice on the surface turned out to be awful, who's to say all the other ones _couldn't_ ? Poor thing's probably gonna be dealing with that trauma for quite a while longer... :(
@@borkerman here's the thing, every time they've been in trouble, You and your Partner help. you rescued him from Drowsy, you got their float. he sees you two as possibly the only two pokemon he can truely trust, so that's why you're not there ;3.
I remember a theory saying that darkrai is the player and that everything is in a time loop of constantly repeating itself. I just want more mystery dungeon videos tbh because I really love these games.
@Jeanne Udall nice to see you too. I've been very busy and just overall unhappy these past few days so seeing you again certainly helped brighten my mood.
I have seen the theory... And there's so much evidence towards it. You are darkrai. Second darkrai tries to kill you. Second darkrai becomes you in a new timeline while a third darkrai appears that is recruitable and then the loop continues. You think your human when your darkrai because the wormhole altered your memory
More info for the “the meteor is from ORAS’ world”. During the delta episode the Mossdeep scientists talk about warping the meteor via “mega energy” and Zinnia described a prophesy from the Dragonians (her race) that said “the meteor will be teleported to another world where megas don’t exist” while that means the ORAS meteor is different there is more to the theory, in Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon they confirm there are multiple different versions of the world through Guzzlord’s ultra space. (This theory i’m mentioning here it based on another theory about X/Y) now theres a second theory that in another world AZ’s ultimate weapon succeeded and destroyed all humans (note: JUST HUMANS). The rest of the theory is that the mystery dungeon world is the world where AZ did destroy humanity (hence why there are manmade objects and pokemon know about humans) So how does that correlate to the meteor? In ORAS one of deoxys’ dex entries state that he was created by a “giant laser being fired into space”, in XY when it shows when the ultimate weapon was fired it shoots up into space. Basically the theory is AZ firing the ultimate weapon created deoxys and killed all the humans then deoxys tried to crashed a meteor into the world (canonically it did that because it was upset about the ultimate weapons blast). The rest is assuming the time between the “good” XY’s past and ORAS delta is the same as the “bad” version of XY’s past and PMD is the same.
I like the theory, but here's Deoxys' ORAS entry I believe you're referring to: "The DNA of a space virus underwent a sudden mutation upon exposure to a laser beam and resulted in Deoxys. The crystalline organ on this Pokémon's chest appears to be its brain." It only mentions a laser beam and doesn't describe anything about said laser, meaning for all we know Deoxys could've been created in a lab when scientists were studying a space virus. Another huge point is that that exact Dex entry is used for OG Ruby, so it was more likely in OR to stay faithful to the originals rather than actual lore. I also don't know what you mean by it apparently being canon that Deoxys was upset by the ultimate weapon's blast, is there a source on that? Basically, there really isn't much defining evidence that links Deoxys to AZ's ultimate weapon as far as I know.
I'm honestly surprised Mix Elixir didn't make it onto the list, the fact it only restores PP for Linoone is so wacky and random, as a kid with not much internet access it was such a puzzling thing
I can answer this one! It's a translation problem; Max Elixir in Japanese is ピーピーマックス (PP Max). The word max (マックス) is similar to the Japanese name for linoone (マッスグマ), making the item Mix Elixir in Japanese be a pun, ピーピーマッスグ (PP Massugu), which means it's an item that only works on マッスグマ. This is the same for all of the 'fake items' in mystery dungeon, like the reviser seed (ぷっかつのタネvs ふっかつのタネ aka reviver seed) and whatever the oran berry one is called (オレンのみ vs オレソのみ) (oran berry vs oreso berry). Source: I'm Japanese and have 3000+ hours on the game since childhood :)
Kaigan Kaya’s comment is definitely more interesting but yeah it’s the weird spelling of fake items. In French it’s max elinir, which works well. Dunno why he English version didn’t do the same
My personal belief regarding the Bidoof theory is that the friend Bidoof wished for was the partner, and that the hero showing up was totally unrelated. To grant this wish, Jirachi could’ve given the partner the relic fragment, knowing that they would’ve gone to the guild to ask about it. This would explain how a random Pokémon with no adventure experience got the object that summons a sacred living water taxi who can cross the sea of time. Even in the end of the first special episode, Bidoof mentions that he only asked for one new friend, but ended up with two.
I always figured bidoofs wish was never actually granted but rather jirachi was able to sense that we as the protagonist would join the guild soon enough and that bidoofs wish would come true regardless so he just let bidoof believe that he granted the wish in order to give him hope for rhe future and in reality, the events were already set on course out of convenience and timing of story plot events.
Spoilers, but then again why else is anyone on this video? I think you should've talked about the explorer Scizor from Explorers. We hear about him being lost from Mr. Mime, a town citizen that appears from time to time, who talks about how he went missing in the Blizzard Island. Then, we go there to find out he was frozen, whether by Froslass or by the natural frigid cold, for a great amount of time. Once Froslass is defeated, he breaks out of his frozen tomb and you take him back to Treasure Town. Iirc(haven't played the game in a long time), he talks about how he used to be a part of the Exploration Federation and gives you a secret rank. I always wondered about what things might've been like in the time period he had been a part of, whether it's a few decades or even hundreds of years.
I loved that event it was such a nice hommage to rescue team cause even the soundtrack of the blizzard isle was the same from rescuers + its a rescuing mission I always thought that he came from the rescuers world
I remember way back then I cried my eyes out when Nuzleaf betrayed the main character because I truly felt like he was in some way an adoptive parent to me because my real parents were never there for me. Man, these games truly have a special place in my heart, and I'm glad people still talk about them!
The unseen force in PMD always reminded me of the similar force that kicks you out of the Abyssal Ruins in Pokémon Black and White. I wonder if anyone else has ever made that connection?
A few things I wanted to mention: Something I think should be on the iceberg is: in Explorers there is a special conversation you can see if you go back to Lapras after Grovyle returns to the future. I encountered this as a kid when I needed to leave Temporal Tower and Hidden Land to grind, and I've never heard anyone else mention it. Also, big spoilers for Gates to Infinity: it confirms the "secret council" bit about Gardevoir. There's a council of gods that brings humans into the Pokemon universe to try and save it, and a phenomenon that the villagers sometimes see turns out to be the humans that failed returning home.
@@Poketom-ob1dl wait...that could indicate something...if someone manages to form some sort of, dimensional tether to these games, and fire it into a black hole, we may get something back. Because black holes could actually be wormholes to other dimensions or universes. One may exist where pokemon are real. And if that's true, and we can successfully get pushback from something on the other end, we might have a means of entering their world if we can make contact. To show them that we are out there. And that they may call upon us through our systems. To plunge us from our bodies, to become comatose, and to eventually return shall we succeed or fail.
I find it funny that Gates is the only one to show other humans failing to accomplish their mission. Of all the games to show that in, they choose the easiest one.
A theory I haven't seen mentioned related to the "Recurring characters between games" point is the theory that Team Charm's Gardevoir and Medicham are the same characters as the Gardevoir and Medicham in Red/Blue Rescue Team. I think the only real evidence for this is that the Team Charm Gardevoir and Medicham are in Super Mystery Dungeon and also have connections with Gengar and Ekans, but it's a fun theory regardless.
Always thought that the winds were just the shift of the dungeons, because they're mysterious in which the room are always randomly generated. in which the dungeon kicks you out when it needs to change, Its weird, I might be wrong about it, but thats my thoughts of it
Ok, theres this one rare thing in explorers of sky that happened to me once. Theres this fake reviver seed item called reviser seed or something like that. An enemy pokemon, an electrode picked it up and tried to revive itself with it when I killed it. Then a special rare dialogue happens, when the Electrode says something like "oh wow, this was a reviser seed. How stupid! Guess I die now, hahaha!" Then dies. It was so weird and random.
What about the theory that you are darkrai. That at the end of the game when darkrai goes into the time portal and it gets shattered he turns into a human (you). Essentially trapping him in a sort of time loop(?)
well, here's one thing that could go against it, for starters; transmuation is wack in thies games, secondly, it would most likely fit Wigglytuff because he has some sort of power since he was a kid making him more unnatural than a regular igglypuff (highfully dought that dialga would remember the past events in which the human might know, but maybe) lastly, I would just say that the human was with Grovyle and had the gift in which was said to be an unknowned art from who know what(maybe arceus)
I've never seen this theory until today and, while it is cool, I'm sad to say that Darkrai is implied to have become an amnesiac after Palkia scatters his portal... You can find him at random in a select few dungeons as long as you have the Secret Slab or Mystery Part in your bag, but he has a -22% recruit rate either way.
Combine that with the Bidoofs wish theory and you have the perfect time loop horror movie. You would have to travel back in time to kill Bidoof or Jirachi before the wish was granted, to finally get releaved and vanish out of existence.
I'm surprised the theory that the human in PSMD is the hero from GtI wasn't on the iceberg. For anyone who doesn't know the theory, here is how it goes: -The Dark Matter from Super shares many similarities with the Bittercold from Gates: both are crystal-like structures formed from the negative emotions of pokemon, both have vulnerable red cores and durable outer shells, both cause objects around them to float, and both will destroy the world if left unchecked. It is very likely that the Dark Matter and Bittercold are the same thing, or at the very least are related to each other. -Throughout PSMD, the player is told that they have fought the Dark Matter before. This is most likely referring to the fight against the Bittercold in GtI. -At the end of PSMD, the player doesn't return to the human world. This is because they were already permitted to stay in the pokemon world at the end of Gates. -If you recruit Hydreigon in Super, he will claim to recognize you, then gets concerned when he learns you lost your memory. A side effect of this theory is that it implies that the partner from Gates was actually Mew in disguise, which can possibly be explained: -Mew can use Transform. -The partner in Gates is friendly and trusting despite everyone else being cruel and distrustful. This is similar to Mew in Super, who is perpetually happy and quickly chooses to travel with the player after they meet. Lastly, here is some unrelated GtI trivia that could be added to the iceberg: the residents of Post Town have their own little stories that play out as you progress through the game. Here are some highlights: -Rampardos trying to ask out Cinccino, but being too nervous. This one is probably the most well-known. -Ducklett, Swanna, and Trubbish: Trubbish is a guest at Swanna's inn, but he always leaves a mess wherever he goes. It's Ducklett's job to clean up after him and complains to Swanna, who is too nice to kick him out. Feeling guilty, Trubbish eventually leaves on his own. -Dwebble's letter: early in the game, there is a Dwebble in town who claims his shell is cracking and that he needs to find a new home. If you keep talking to him, he tells you that the crack is getting worse. One day, Dwebble disappears. If you talk to Swanna after Dwebble leaves, she will give you a letter Dwebble wrote for you before he left, explaining that his shell finally broke and he was to embarrassed to say goodbye in person.
Also after you bring the human back (oof, spoilers) it turns out Dwebble lied about the crack and tries to blame his Crustle buddy, before promptly apologizing. Also, Crustle says “my rock isn’t a tiramisu”, proving tiramisus are in fact canon in the Pokémon universe.
I’m really tempted to think that Bittercold traveled from space through the Meteor that Rayquaza blew up may have housed it. Sometime in the future Darkrai is tempted to screw things up, leading to Dialgia also going ‘Primal’ because its Bittercold just not really acknowledged until Gates of Infinity. Story moves on its beaten but then Super happen and Everyone is here! Meaning somehow everything has happened & did happen but all the timelines from prior games got shoved into one place. Bittercold evolves into Dark Matter with way more power to twist the Pokémon to do its bidding considering Super’s story. I think they wanted to wipe everything to zero by having everyone here in one place.
Wasn't it so that the events of the past Dark Matter encounter had happened a long time ago? A lot of things related to said time(s?) are written in ancient languages or are labeled as being very old. Meanwhile, all the characters from GTI are wandering around in SMD, talking about their time in Post Town as if it was mere months ago. This on its own is of course rather weird, for all of the locations of the previous games have seemingly been wiped from existence with nobody commenting on it. Let alone giant parts of the maps not aligning and whatnot, but I digress... I like to think that the Bittercold was a bit of a pawn to test the waters created by Dark Matter. The latter in the way we know it likes to take over the home of some being and use its powers to achieve its own nefarious goals. With the Great Glacier seemingly being a long-time phenomenon, this may be no different. Maybe there was a being similar to Xerneas that owned said place, only for it too to be exploited by the edgy orb. The places in which the two are found hanging certainly do look alike in one shape or form from what I can remember. Maybe these space-places were created by similar beings? So perhaps after waiting a very long time to strike again, Dark Matter figured it'd be a great idea to put up a puppet and see how the world would respond before it would make its own return.
@@UnsavedChanges That is an interesting idea. The hardest part about theorizing about the PMD timeline is explaining why so many characters that lived in different points in history coexist. The most common explanation is that the references to the previous games through characters are non-canon, despite appearing in the game (unfortunately, this discounts the evidence that Hydreigon recognized the player). Since posting my original comment I have seen a variation of the theory that attempt to explain this: The modified theory states that the Dark Matter was defeated by Mew and an unknown human thousands of years ago, likely before any of the games. Eventually, it came back on the Mist Continent as the Bittercold, where it was "destroyed" by the GtI player. Some time after, the player realized that the Bittercold would return and agreed to give up their memory to find a new way to stop it, leading to Super. In addition to explaining how GtI characters exist in Super, this reorders the timeline in a way that corrects my biggest problem with the theory: architecture. If all the PMD games exist in one continuous timeline, then it doesn't make sense for GtI to be the first to happen. Based on the buildings we see in game, it makes much more sense if Explorers happened first, long before the other games (supported by the fact that mystery dungeons are a relatively new phenomenon in PMD2, popping up due to the destruction of time). Rescue Team, Gates, and Super appear to take place in relatively close succession. If PMD1 takes place shortly before Super, it might explain why the player suggested they have their memories wiped. If we view the character cameos as canon, then this is also when Explorers's Future takes place. Lastly, this requires an explanation for how characters from PMD2 past and future exist at the same time, since Celebi said generations had passed between the two. My theory is that the Guild members we meet in Super are actually the descendants of the Guild members in the original game. We know it is rare for Wigglytuff's Guild to find new recruits, but the children of recruits can join the Guild (like Diglett). This also explains why Wigglytuff is female in Super when she was male in Explorers (though there are other possible explanations for this).
*Moves that give me a heart attack when I hear it being triggered:* *Fury Attack *Rock Blast *Helping Hand (in a Monster House) *Acient Power *Earth Power *Hydro Pump *Roar of Time *Agility *Discharge And wait for it... *SUBSITUTE* (in the first 2 games) Bruh. Do you know how horrifying it is when you're entire team TURNS AGAINST YOU?!
what i like in super mystery dungeon is when you recruit pokemon the friend tree connects to all teams, connections and references. when you have Alakazam, Charizard and Tyranitar they are connected as team Act. hell if you recruit Wigglytuff and the guild members they're all connected in the tree
I remember hearing a theory that was discussed a very long time ago is that the Zero Isle Dungeons is where the Pokemon you rejected to recruit (mostly from missions & eggs) go to. Kinda explains the wide range of Pokémon you see in the dungeons.
Some more interesting things I wanted to point out: - there’s an item called the Coronet Rock in explorers that mentions Mt. Coronet in Sinnoh. I think it’s used to evolve magnetron and Probopass - At the very end of the game Team Raider appears on the beach after saving Dugtrio from the water. I remember reading a bunch of crazy rumors about how if you got the guild master rank wigglytuff would run to the beach to see Team Raider and some kind of cutscene would play -Apparently Croagunk already passed his graduation exam and can leave whenever he wants, but he stays at the guild because his cauldron can’t be moved -Frozen Island in episode 5 is actually Blizzard Island in the future
I'm quite surprised the fact that Ampharos was planning to have you killed isn't on here. Let me explain. (spoilers, duh.) In SMD, after you join the Expedition Society, you, your partner, and Archen set out to the Air Continent. There, you witness Latios and Latias crashing in the mystical forest. You head over to investigate, only to find they've turned to stone. Entei shows up to investigate it himself and wrongly assumes you're the one behind it. He warns you with what is essentially a death-threat and bails. (he says he would 'not be so merciful' next time.) Just after this, there's a cutscene where Ampharos is stress eating or something after being told about the events. The day after, he comes up with the idea to have a fun outing with everyone really soon! How delightful! Destination: Fire Island. The home of Entei. What a funny coincidence. Once there, he divides everyone into groups. You and your partner are paired with Buizel, who's taken to the side by Ampharos before you head in. Ampharos warns Buizel about Entei and tells him not to engage if they make contact, thus proofing Ampharos knew VERY WELL who was up there, warning a SINGLE ONE of his comrades about him. It's very strange to have him tell this quite crucial fact to Buizel in confidence, hiding it from you and the partner, despite knowing what happened in the forest a few days prior. You head on to the summit and make it there first. Strange, given the other groups existed out of what should be fully experienced adventurers instead of just ONE paired with two children. There, Entei shows himself. Buizel disregards the warning he got and attacks Entei seemingly just because he wants to see if he can make a dent in his skull. This obviously doesn't happen and he's thrashed. Entei then refers to his death threat ("You! Did I not tell you?! That I would not be so merciful next time!") and after destroying Buizel, implies he'll get on with it. ("I must admit I respect your foolish bravery! I have no choice but to admire your will! And so it is with great respect… That I finish you off!") The only reason he does not succeed in kicking the everliving stuff out of you is the scarf you are wearing deciding to show its magical powers and make you much more powerful. So you destroy him instead, only for Ampharos and the others to emerge and tell Entei that this is all a misunderstanding. He leaves, you have lunch on the mountain and go home. All happy end. This is never brought up again in the game as far as I am aware. Let's break it down. Ampharos knew Entei would want you dead. Ampharos knew Entei was at the site where the two were turned to stone. Ampharos DID NOT know the scarves you wore were magical. So Ampharos essentially sent you on a suicide mission disguised as a fun outing. He knew that once you would get up there, one in two things could possibly happen: 1: You are dead. 2: You are turned to stone. Either way, he would have his answer. He could never have guessed a magical event would allow you to live. He was fully prepared to throw you under the bus for that slither of information: the answer to Entei being the one turning everyone to stone or not. It was a sacrifice he was willing to make. He was prepared to have two children he barely knew killed for a yes/no answer and nobody judges him for it. He's this full happy guy all throughout the rest of the game, wishing you the best and offering you a job. No sorry. No compensation. Just business as usual I suppose. If Wiggs is on it for 'committing a felony', shouldn't Ampharos be on here for attempted murder?
I'm currently replaying super mystery dungeon and this kind of makes sense. You should have even add that he tries that plan twice by letting you confront krocodile (it's a similar situation but they give you awhile and bunnelby probably to make progress on the research).
Oh wow, I had forgotten about this comment… been almost 3 years already I think. February I think it was. I hadn’t considered this part, and re-reading my own comment recaptured my interest, so I dusted off the script. While what you say is true, some key points make it a little less of a direct ‘retry’. Now Dedenne delivers this news on the spot, so this one is at the very least not premeditated. He says the following after hearing it (minus responses in between): “I see. I thank you for that information, Dedenne. Very well. I had intended for us all to go together to the Prehistoric Ruins… but it seems a change of plans is in order. We’ll have a Krookodile pursuit squad and a Prehistoric Ruins expedition squad. So let’s split into two groups. First up, those who will go after Krookodile… Partner, Human. Will you two please go?” “If he’s headed for the village, I need people who know the lay of the land. And also… I hear you are worried about your loved ones in the village. However, it’s far too dangerous to send just the two of you.” “We need to consider that Partner and Human may have to battle Krookodile. We need to find out as much as we can before it comes to that.” This time he directly states that what they’re about to do is dangerous, and at this point, the two are well aware of what that danger is. Additionally, he asked them if they’d want to go, it wasn’t much of an order. He also has an actual reason for choosing them… though I bet the guys that are making a literal map would know the land directly around their own town just as well, if not better. And this time he knows they have a ‘funny’ garment with which they should be able to bench-press Krookodile if he doesn’t turn them into statues. So he does kinda send them on a path to death again to just distract and get a yes/no answer, but this time he asked, and the two themselves agreed while knowing the coming danger. So while you are right, I don’t think it’s completely fair to say he just ‘tries it again’. He more or less kindly asks if they’re willing to jump off the bridge by themselves, wearing a parachute that may or may not trigger or even work to keep them safe might it indeed be as dangerous as it looks. And they oblige. I had quite a bit of fun going back through this to investigate, which I guess is evident just looking at this comment... So I guess I gotta thank you for bringing it to my attention. Have a happy new year! ;)
@@UnsavedChanges It's good the explanation but I was referring to the first time they send you to krocodile when the warnings start appearing in lively Town and they send you to protect Entei in separate groups. I guess ampharos was willing to see a yes or no response no matter of what, in this case Entei was the one to fall. I progressed trough the prehisctorical cave part and I refreshed some parts, just to say that ampharos wasn't like sacrificing but just having half baked plans that for the cause of the plot results into having our protagonists in trouble. I just came to that conclusion.
Oh, the Showdown Mountain thing… The only part I could remember involving Krookodile was the Revelation Mountain one. I now realize your typo didn’t mean ‘a while’, but Mawile in your comment. If I picked up on that I think I’d have seen I was in the wrong place. Going back again, It does seem that Ampharos originally didn’t even want the two to come along. Rather, he’s talked into bringing them right after originally stating; “You will watch over our headquarters. This is too dangerous for you.” So yeah, it indeed seems Amp’s just good at launching half-baked plans and being easily persuaded (and/or suspiciously OK with getting the duo in trouble. Anything for a “please” and those answers). Though I’d say it’s the duo’s fault as well after Fire Island for rolling with it. Twice. I guess we gotta give Amp a bit of a break, the lad’s got some issues upstairs. They show it in multiple ways; his unhinged stress-eating, his nonexistent sense of direction… as the leader of an exploration group… Maybe he should keep to his paperwork. >.> Now you could wonder if this low-level insanity is perhaps to blame for Fire Island rather than true malicious intent, but he did take Buizel to the side at the entrance to explain the threat of Entei to ONLY HIM, so he was well aware at the time, and purposefully hid the info from the others. And he essentially planned the whole thing based on Entei's threat to the duo. So that one stays, no pleading insanity there. At least to me. Oh well, I guess the eventual outcome of all these misadventures is good, so… I guess we should be thankful for his questionable leadership.
FACTS. SO MANY FACTS. Also, I need a comic that can show how the first human ended up in their world. Maybe we can link it to our own. Showing these "Games" In a new light. Especially if we reach a point where these games can scan the player directly. To determine their favorite pokemon.
- Stairs in nature doesn't make sens, you can't have floor in a forest. - Kangashkan statues are teleportating items - When you are with Bidoof in expedition you end up sleeping at some point, it takes 5 seconds and the all squad is at the exact same place when they wake up. They lied, they didn't sleep. - If you refuse an egg, they give you money I also have a bunch of facts on the dungeon generation but it's more bugs than anything, I reverse engineered pretty much the all system now and it's nerdy stuff
I think the stairs are just there for the game design and only symbolise progress. In the "real" dungeon the pokemon would probably just be going deeper into the forest or closer to the outskirts
@@Reionder It's a pretty good way to not use the usual teleporter and I like it but a little more would be cool. Like it works fine in a tower or a cave but not that much in other places
@@umber6937 the game tries to generate dungeon until it get one that working, and if after 10 times the dungeon is still not valid, it just generate a giant monster house on the all floor. The generator have an unused algorithm to generate maze room, just like the one with water maze, but the wall seams create problems so it's just not used. Some parts of the code are actually wrong, like the generation use a check only on the right 4 times instead of all direction. Making more possible failed dungeons. And a dungeon that doesn't work is because some parts can't be liked to the others. There is a bit of jank eveywhere in the generator, it's pretty weird that we can't see any problem in games. But it's actually a very smart algorithm made for very simple hardware. (My english might also be jank tonight, sorry)
I'd say Mystery Dungeon is also a type of game that is kind of by its nature going to not get good professional reviews. It requires you to invest quite a bit of playtime to really get into it, and a professional reviewer is only going to put a few hours into each game.
But that makes no sense in regards to other roguelikes (I realize that I am a year late lol). Isaac and other roguelikes post the indie renaissance all score high because people reviewing them do like roguelikes. I imagine IGN/other companies don’t have a guy who likes both Roguelikes and pokemon? USgamer did have a positive review of the game though, and the dude did play BRT/RRT as a child, so yeah. I’d say you need to have your brain set to: “Pokemon good” and “Roguelikes good”.
Once I tried the Sky randomizer and got my butt kicked repeatedly so bad because the first mission for Spoink's pearl had Espeons with Roar Of Time all over, and I learned if you die two or three times in that dungeon Chatot tells you Wigglytuff wants to talk to you, and he gives you a Reviver Seed and I think an Oran Berry while Chatot tells you not to screw up again lol I asked around on reddit and no one else had seemed to know about it Edit: oops you showed it at the end, but it was interesting to see the randomizer after mentioning it lol
@Chris TheArcticFox tru though. The fandom is quite wholesome in my eyes. The thing that interests me in furry anthro is the art. Just other people making floof bois. Somewhere at the PMD Reddit there was a topic that said PMD is somewhat related to the furry fandom like the said Pokefurs :>
8 HOUR ANALYSIS ON EXPLORERS OF SKY: ruclips.net/video/wSr1NAGy-PM/видео.html
I think the unknown force that kicks you out of a dungeon when you have been on a floor too long is the dungeon collapsing in on itself. What I mean is that since mystery dungeons are randomised, they can only exist in a certain for so long before randomising again, and no one in the games knows how the dungeons randomise, they only know that dungeon randomising happens. So maybe the unknown force can’t actually be comprehended by Pokemon. The unknown force causes disturbances in the dungeon such as a wind picking up or the ground starting to shake, suggesting that it’s become more and more unstable, and if you wait too long you faint. Maybe you faint because the disturbances get too strong and cause a mini-natural disaster that KOs you, or maybe you get trapped in the dungeons walls when it is reforming into a new randomised layout, or the power that can randomise dungeons is so strong that that’s what KOs you.
Idk lol it’s just what I think
When I first played through Darkness, my kid brain was a) terrified of the unknown force and b) assumed it was Arceus. For some reason.
You spent too long in this dungeon so now God just shows up to kick you out.
@@Electrosa I always used to believe the Unseen Force was MISSINGNO! :O
I thought it was Suicune, West(?) wind and all, but this phenomenon can still happen to a Suicune!
I never questioned it because I never saw it as anythIng other than a game mechanic but I really like your explanation. Randomized dungeons can't stay the same way for too long.
So... It's like Wonder Of U
Theres more to the IGN rating. It wasnt just low. The reviewer admitted in the critique they got bored and quit in Apple Woods, basically meaning that they quit like 10% in and felt they could rate it accurately.
IGN is a SHAME.
They proved that enough.
@@loturzelrestaurant just gona tell ya : they are not. Is that after a while, they got ridden of proof reader.
They can though, you can definitely tell the quality of the game by apple woods lol
@@aquanaridllcl970 I tried reading this and what?? I mean IGN has always been shit, let's be honest. Not just with pokemon, but other games. I mean they gave COD ghost a 8.8, which is objectively a garbage game.
@@aquanaridllcl970 IGN is decentralized, meaning they give bad reviews because there's no underlying basis for the games they like. You enter the lottery any time you read a review.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this but:
There's this rare event in Explorers (idk if this can also happen in the other installments) where you simply just can't complete a mission because "The target is nowhere to be found" or something and the destination floor just becomes a single giant room.
The first time I experienced that I was SO CONFUSED, even slightly creeped out. Now I just found it kind of annoying, but it still intrigues me that Chunsoft planned for that possibility and I still don't know for what purpose lol
So many creepy things left out in this series
I remember this! It happens in rescue missions and is really creepy for a filthy casual such as myself
I think it's because the player simply took too long to rescue the pokemon and it fainted from hunger. Another theory I have is that it took damage from the weather. I once did a rescue mission to Dark Crater and while I was doing the mission a Hippowdown's sandstorm caused the pokemon to faint while I was in the same floor as the pokemon. The text said "Pidgey fainted..." but it didn't sent me home.
Read the comment by Darkphenix Channel above:
"the game tries to generate dungeon until it get one that working, and if after 10 times the dungeon is still not valid, it just generate a giant monster house on the all floor."
I actually saw that for the first time ever in the Concealed Ruins just three days ago.
God the unknown force was so cool as a kid! I always wondered if it was like your character losing themselves and becoming violent like the rest of the pokemon in the dungeons.
Oh wow never thought of that! So many creepy things around this mechanic
That's terrifying omg
But what about the rescue missions where you save pokemon? Or the times in the games where other teams for lost in them? It doesn't make sense.
38:19 This is the scariest thing on the entire list
Yes?
... No. It did n o t .
...!
It’s true, we just all deny it to ourselves
Very well done! I don't see enough people dig into Mystery Dungeon like this and this is exactly what I wanted to see out of that original iceberg pic. Lot of stuff I didn't know even though I'm very into PMD! Also really heartening to hear the transgender positivity :)
There's one weird thing I always used to do in Rescue Team that I never hear anyone talk about. When an opposing Pokémon faints, its sprite turns semi-transparent for a small animation. When you press and hold the shoulder buttons at the exact right time, that Pokémon will not disappear (or come back to ask you to join your team), but instead return to its normal idle position, but semi-transparent, until you let go of the buttons. This does nothing useful except look cool, but when I was a kid, I was convinced that there must be a purpose for this function, so I tried to do it all the time, hoping for it to increase recruiting probability or something. This even worked for the mirage Deoxys of Meteor Cave which were semi-transparent by design and became slightly more transparent when pulling off this trick.
Shedinja is the strongest pokemon in PMD sky. It gets a room wide attack, a straight line attack, plenty of good options at close range, and with three species items, it can only be damaged by two types of attack. It can also walk into walls to escape bad situations, and can cut corners in dungeons (which is the equivalent to a free turn, basically).
tl;dr 15/17 immunities, a room wide attack that can +1 your stats, and ghost perks
Feed it enough vitamins and Shedinja is completely unstoppable
Was looking at this all and you're right, Shedinja seems very powerful when maxed, my concerns were traps and weather effects, but with trap seer and a weather band, well, yeah.
I guess I stand corrected on Smeargle being the potential strongest, Shedinja is insane.
I also think basic attacks only deal 1 damage on Shedinja, since the game has that rule set in place so Shedinja doesn’t instadie in one basic attack (since it only has 5 hp by default). You would have to feed him nearly 2000 vitamins (a process I’m undertaking now) to have him completely maxed out - that’s a lot of wondermail codes.
Run Mind Reader linked with Silver Wind, Bug Buzz, and Shadow Ball. You have a 100% accurate room-wide move with a chance to buff all your stats, Bug Buzz is the most powerful single-target bug move in the game, and shadow ball is for hitting enemies at range.
You’re lacking a little bit in terms of PP, but since you’re nearly untouchable use your basic attacks to conserve PP, and bring lots of elixers. You don’t even really need to use silver wind on a monster house unless you’re at a type disadvantage.
@@SpaceySoundy It’s also worth noting that Shaymin-S can get a permanent +3 speed boost with a x2 attack speed bonus if I’m not mistaken, allowing it to outrun any threats and attack 6x per turn. Only works in clear weather, however. You’ll still get killed by line moves like Ice Beam some times when you don’t expect it however.
Lots of fun interactions like that in the game. I’m always trying to find more (:
@@moonmoon4537 Shaymin-S is GREAT for soloing dungeons in Sky, yeah. It has PERMANENT double speed, so... Any clear weather dungeon can be demolished with ease, since you get 2 turns for any other Pokemon's 1.
Gardevoir in Rescue Team is a part of the Psijic Order, how's that for the iceberg?
Well, then wigglytuff might not be trans. He is just vivec
Grovyle and dusknoir relationship is so intense and meaningful. Dusknoir is a perfect example of the bad-guy-turned-good without becoming OOC or ridicolous, also his moves are meant perfectly to face grovyle's (there is a reddit post that explains it) and the double twist on the end, man it was so good and exciting. Too bad they aren't a popular ship, I bet if grovyle was a female there would be a tons (enemies that turn friends or lovers is such a interesting topic, just see how many fan art exist about judy and nick from zootropolis). But I think the ship grovyle x dusknoir is already perfect, and I'm happy that you like it too!
facts! i just finished the special episode and thought about shipping them lol
I’m not sure how I feel about this ship because even though they made up in the special episode, Dusknoir still almost executed Grovyle
TWICE
The wind in the dungeon used to creep me out a lot. It’s just so ominous and dreadful. My friend had a theory that it’s lugia, but it lacks a lot of evidence.
I don’t think bidoof created the end of the world. I think he saved the world. The player and their partner weren’t the target of darkrai’s plans in the main game, they thwarted it. My theory is that bidoof may have placed the human and their partner on the way to save the world: saving the human when the corridor of time was shattered, and placing the relic piece in your partner’s way. So if Bidoof wished for them to join the guild, I don’t think they doomed the world in any way.
Exactly, the game itself denies that Bidoof condemned the world
Wigglytuff being supposed to be the main character doesn't make sense, considering the bad future exists, meaning in the original timeline without the protagonist there was noone to save Temporal Tower.
"Wigglytuff is trans!"
me: (sweating profusely)
"Maybe she did transition between the events of Explorers and Super! And if so, good for her."
me: (audible sigh of relief)
(on a similar note thank you for using they/them for the legendaries !! :'D)
Oh of course! I try my best to respect and love everyone, I myself am non-binary, y'know!
@@SpaceySoundy oh hey me too!! :D nice!!
It was obviously just a translation error, wigglytuff and jigglypuff are just usually mistaken for being only females.
@clusterfvck wigglytuff is too powerful for the gender binary
It is a crime that their is not an actual anime of mystery dungeon
I would commit multiple felonies to make an anime of mystery dungeon happen
There's a rarely noticed glitch in European/Berlin batch of Super MD, that causes your partner to be always female. The option that is supposed to make the partner either male or female is in the quiz (choosing cool or cute description for the partner), but for whatever reason they always turn out to be a girl? You can see that with their portrait, partner will use a flipped picture like other confirmed females. Bizzare.
The final hidden message in PSMD should’ve been in the iceberg, excellent video btw!
What hidden message?
Come on what was the hidden message
I could tell you guys, but I think it would be way more exciting if u guys rather play it or look for it yourselves... Though I'll give u guys a hint, it's on PSMD At the last half part of the game's main story ;)
(If u guys give up or just simply dgaf, let me know so i spoil it for u)
@@TheMadmausOficial just tell me you knob
@@TheMadmausOficial dude how am I supposed to even know what it is
Yo real story here, I use to gorge play Red rescue team alot on my old gba, and I whole heartedly remembered this monster house I encountered, cause of the sheer sight of it. I was in sky tower, pretty deep in, 30-33 floors I think, well I went into a room and I saw the texts "It's a Monster House!" And I got ready, I ran Blaziken and Pikachu. And I shit you not, the room filled with Masquerains. I thought for a second, "ok I got this, they're still bug types." But that hope died when, one after another did Silver Wind. Never in my life did I see reviver seeds drain as fast as it did that day for me.. I blacked out and I dreaded ever encountering that sight again. It's been 14 years since then, and I have never encountered that monster house again. But I know one day I will again. And I hope I will be ready for it.
Theory about the 6th time gear :
There are indeed 5 Time Gears, and 5 known Time gear locations : the three lakes, Treeshroud Forest and Limestone Cavern. But actually, this last one was added in Sky, in the Team Charm's special episode. So maybe in TD, they were intending to leave the 5th time gear's locations unknown (and imply it's the volcano one), and then retconned themselves in Sky.
Great work BUT I have to correct you at one point. Arceus can be seen at one point in Explorers of Sky! At the end of a giant Dungeon I forgot the name of, some Tower, extremely hard and all, you find a giant ARCEUS Statue!
Destiny Tower
About Gardevoir's secret council, I do have my theory..... though it's spoilers for Gates to Infinity below:
It's revealed mid-game in Gates that the one that turned the human into a pokemon is a being called the "Voice of Life" in the form of an Hydreigon, who in the story has said to have caused many humans to be turned into a pokemon. And to top it all of, the Voice of Life isn't a singular entity, since it once referred to "voiceS of life" existing aside from the one in-game.
What if that secret council was the many Voices of Life? The mysterious voice that talked to the human when they were being sent back could be one of them telling you that all your friends are heartbroken and that you can go back if you truly wish for it (Surprisingly it's what the Voice of Life of Gates discovers in the post game. Gates: a prequel to the series????). Maybe, the Ninetales actually cursed Gardevoir into becoming one of these voices?
We could go EVEN DEEPER. What if the Pink Celebi of Explorers.... was a Voice of Life? It would explain why a SHINY of a mythical pokemon (mythical in the pokemon world means its unique, there aren't a second.) exists! What if it wasn't Darkrai's attack that caused your transformation into a pokemon... but the pink celebi secretly transforming you into one to be better prepared against danger?
If we go to pokemon super mystery dungeon, there is a cameo appearence of Gates' Voice of Life that seems to know the character but is shocked to find that he doesn't remember it. It could be 4th wall breaking, but it could also hint that the one that brought PSMD's human into the pokemon world was the same one that brought Gates' human. (If you think about it, we have no answer as to who/what caused the player's transformation into a pokemon compared to other games.)
We should not forget that all these games have been developped by "Chunsoft" (Chunsoft for PMD 1 and 2 THEN Spike Chunsoft for 3 and 4) so it isn't impossible that they built the world and lore as they developped these games, retconning things along the way.
Oh in the German version Wigglytuff's phrase is more based on his name (Knuddeluff). He says: "LUUU... FIII!"
I have a recruited Darkrai on my save and he always talks about how "the darkness is still inside of me, I still can feel it at times."
Probably meaning its the same Darkrai but with memory loss. But somehow he remembers the wicked stuff he did??
Im not really sure
You mean when you go in a Dungeon with a recruited Darkrai as partner? And talk to him inside. Damn I never knew he had specific dialogue!!
I might not get a reply to this but here’s a plot for a mystery dungeon game.
Cyrus ends up in the MD world as a corrupted version of a pseudo legend and basically ends up making a new Team Galactic that ends up being the team you have to join to work your way up to take over yourself and remake the team from the inside and Cyrus goes ballistic after all the hard work he’s done being undone by your team and allies. He ends up searching for the creation Trio but gets beaten all 3 times until he decides a to go after Arceus instead and instead of fighting Arceus like he tried against the trio he uses a new origin item to control Arceus and you and the Trio team up to beat Arceus first then Cyrus decides to just power himself up with the origin item and basically gets deformed into a corrupted Arceus like being
Ngl im happy to see some people still making stuff about this series. Was a cool watch :]
Red Dungeon Team was just re released on Nintendo Switch Online GBA and I have been playing it NON STOP. It's everything I remembered from back in the day, and I just can't stop all the same. Pokemon Ranger and Mystery Dungeon were my favorite spin off games for sure! Underrated and so good!! With a great storyline honestly. Mystery Dungeon had me in tears several times especially at the end! I also did end up with an EV on my first go round of the OG Mystery Dungeon! During my replay right now though I ended up as Totodile. Which I'm still totally fine with.
i’m pretty sure there’s actually a Micheal Jackson reference in Gates to Infinity. One of the descriptions you can see for fighting someone in a dungeon quest, it can say “I’m bad. Really bad. And strong! Try me!”
‘I’m bad. Really bad.’ Is lyrics to one of his songs but idk
well there's also a part in the ORAS postgame where you find Looker washed up likely a faller from an ultra wormhole, tho it's believed that every individual pokemon cartitridge is a parallel Universe (thus confirming parallel Universes with varying alterations like like mega and non) presumably Looker's Mysery Dungeon doppelganger got transported to the mainline universe and vice versa with amnesia similar how pokemon have different forms depending on the title like Primal Dialga, Mega Evolution or other changes like the Fairy Typing
All the NPCs: Team Charm is so cool and beautiful! They're amazing and noble explorers!
Me who played the Team Charm special episode:
34:06
It doesn't. The ones that are already there when you steal something stay normal. However, after you commit the theft, only Kecleons will spawn, and the spawn rate goes WAY up. Normal Pokémon stay normal, and they don't spawn that fast anyways. Theory disproven.
My guess about the Time Gear one is that there's Multiple Time Gears, more then the 5 we need to save the world. It would make sense, because why would there only be 5, all Localized on the Grass Continent?
This!!! I agree on that too, they never said ingame that there would only be 5 gears in total, only 5 gears to save the temporal tower!!
For the PSMD Wigglytuff thing: likely a translation error, as that is only present in the English version. Other translations still refer to him as male.
I really loved watching this, I love the mystery dungeon games. The music is amazing, the story and characters are engaging. I enjoy playing them a lot more than a lot of the new main series games. It was nice to listen to someone who is just as passionate about them :)
Speaking of the planetary investigation team, i can say that it most likely was a translation error. I have played the german versions of the game, and there grovile says it like this:"when looking at the state of the planet, it showed that...", so being way more general.
I think one of the big theories about the mysterious force is that it is whatever curse that causes the mystery dungeons in the first place. Something about the curse not wanting "outsiders" (ie non enemy pokemon) for too long because they just come in and fuck shit up.
Also i always found the recruitment process for these games kinda weird??? Like bro u were literally just trying to kill me 2 seconds ago. Imagine youre just walkin home from 711 and some dude tries to deck you for... Being near him?? For just existing in general?? Maybe for your food??? Anyways u beat the shit out of him and suddenly he just. Is fine. Hes your friend now. He would die for you. Congratulations.
Like can enemy pokemon talk?? I dont think they come to town. They steal your money sometimes but they just live in the wild what tf are they gonna do with that. Can you bargain with them??? Why is their first instinct just kill on sight?? How does it feel if youre a bidoof and you find an enemy bidoof in a dungeon and hes coming to kill you? I dont think any of the npcs really talk about this its just like "oh the mystery dungeon curse and natural disasters is making some pokemon pretty cranky" sir these pokemon literally want to kill me how are we all morally okay with this
I laughed so much and learned a lot too! Thanks for the video!!!
Explorers of the sky has been my Dark Souls game before I began playing Dark Souls.
Until today, I was never able to defeat Dialga, but trying is better than whining.
Me: **is here for trivia that I already know**
This video: “Don’t seek validation by having the same opinions as someone else, love yourself and what you love!”
Me (crying on the floor): Thank you, I will🫡
Lol. I played Riolu on PMD2 too and that “awakening” part made me laugh.
I greatly enjoyed that super mystery dungeon had you recruiting all the past NPCs.
If you count up all the time gears, there are three between Mesprit, Azelf, and Uxie, plus Treeshroud Forest's gear, leaving the volcano gear as the fifth. Presumably Groyvle either stole that one after the Treeshroud one (which he says is his first) and before seeking the lake spirits' gears, or he didn't take it until after the guild agreed to help gather them up once they learned the truth about him. If I recall, he went around regathering the gears offscreen before teaming up with the player and partner in the Hidden Land.
Edit: Never mind, I forgot Limestone Cavern from the Team Charm episode holds a time gear. Very peculiar. It seems Explorers of Sky introduced an inconsistency in the plot here, unless the gear was later moved or something.
"All these pokesonas didn't come from no where, you know."
Nervously glancing at my Bisharp pokesona...
I always imagined the wind being the force that changes the layout of the dungeon since it canonically always changes. You get forced out as it alters.
You can see a statue of Arceus at the end of Destiny Tower in Sky
I subscribed after the final iceberg theory 😂❤ I LOVE your style!
Love this video! Great Job! (Commenting twice since I heard its good for the youtube algorithm)
God I remember the trauma of Temporal Tower and Temporal Spire Monster houses. I either had to get lucky enough to get a good orb or KO the Porygon line IMMEDIATELY. most of the other stuff also terrifies me, from Metagross and Salamence who gave me terror to Bronzong BEING A LEGITIMATE NIGHTMARE TO HURT DUE TO THE ONLY SUPEREFFECTIVE MOVES YOU CAN USE ON THE DAMN THINGS BEING FIGHTING MOVES THANKS TO THE ABILITY STACK THING
Getting turned into a apple in a dungeon would instantly kick you out what about if it didn't. Would you partner be able to eat you?
Grovyle would have been a way better pick than greninja
For some time I've had the theory that Dusk Forest is Sky Peak Forest in the paralyzed future. There's music similarities that get me wondering if it's the case.
Here's some stuff that might have been added
Kecleon kills clients in dungeons and dying from spontaneous laughter (because of a counterfeit item)
Ok so the first one, I was at Mt. Faraway in Rescue Team like in 2007, I did a mission of finding a Machamp in the dungeon, and there was a Kecleon shop in the same room, I made the dumbest thing of using a trawl orb while on water (I was a Swampert with max IQ) which draws all items from the dungeon floor nearby, which if you use them while there's a Kecleon shop it counts as shoplifting, so when the kecleons started to roll out they just straight up killed the client.
my theory is that the mystery dungeon games happen inside a pc
Multi hit moves Aka skitty Double Slap.
Oof!
Yea! I was just in World Abyss the other day, Sing, Cute Charm, and Double slap is killer- Darn Delcatty!
(Female Pikachu vs mostly male Delcatty...Didn't see many females, maybe one or two...)
But also, Earth Power....
Thank goodness I got my hands on a Zapper scarf- and a Sacred scarf!
Me and an Ampharos recruit traversed the World Abyss and kicked Giratina tail!
I was gonna go with a team of me, my partner, Ampharos, and an Absol recruit, but my partner and Absol kept getting taken out by Nidoqueens spamming Earth power.
So I just stripped the team to just Ampharos and I, a lot of reviver seeds, some other items, and those two exclusive items, but yea if we didn't have those items, we'd be done for....Soooo many Nidoqueens with Earth power....Yikes!.....
I don't think the timer on the dungeons is separated from the lore, it's mentioned that the floors change each time you visit a mystery dungeon so maybe there's a set period of time between each change of the layout and the force that changes the layout is what's approaching. It would explain why you get kicked out as well because the floor resets.
This is a nitpick of mine, but I always pronounced Bonsly's name the same way as Bonsai is pronounced.
42:45 Team Skull is NOT dead. They appear in SMD
Buddy, mumchlax was mays pokemon in the anime before it had a cameo in mystery dungeon
Yeah I'll be real I'm pretty dumb for that one lol
In the Kecleon mart part I thinks there's an error: the Kecleon mart buy and sell items from explorators and you can know it by talking about infos at the shop
The mysterious force that kicks out of dungeon maybe could be the same force that change and create new dungeons. This force I think was generated by the change in the balance in the world with a "catastrophic event". This same event wiped out all umana in the world of MD.
The video, music, editing and story are all great!
THX FOR THIS VID! PMD FANDOM NOT DEAD YET!
For the pokémon into the apple thing, theoretically you could trigger a trap that turns items to Pokémon. But would they transform to their original selves?
I remember I was so sad when you disappeared to time in the explorers of darkness
Ooohhh si, estaba esperando un iceberg de una de mis franquicias favoritas
Amazing video!!
great vid, you should make a ranger iceberg
I would LOVE to see that!!
A lot of people forget that all the Gen 4 Pokémon in Rescue Team had already appeared in the anime by the time it came out.
'Dusknoir, Grovyle and Celebi are in a love triangle.'
*YESYESYESYES*
Hold up, PMD created a generation of furries?
...i see why i became one.
I’m proud of it.
It’s probably unrelated, people are just making connections that aren’t actually their. Furries are just a small minority of the pmd community.
@@shuggythebuggy7595 dont be too sure about that, theres FUCK TON of mystery dungeon material out there in internet wich doesnt seem to be product of regular fans only, but really people who loved pokemons, specially different types of fanfics with variable topics such as romance to lust, violence to blood and even some twists to the pokemon world like the idea of possessing bodies . Its pretty wild
@@gaothhermesk1289 I’m just sick of people in the pmd community saying “EvErYOne iS a FuRrY!!” Because it’s such a generalisation and I’m sick of it. Nobody like being labelled but they do it all the time
@@shuggythebuggy7595 well of course no all pmd fans are, but the ones that do, really have an important precense, and not to say that even being a really vocal group, pmd fandom its pretty smasll wich is a shame
Watched this at 2am and now I’m thinking of ordering these games for my ds 😭
If all the humans were turned to pokemon that explakns all the man made things still being there
23:54 - My personal theory is that the reason Azurill's nightmare has hostile versions only of specific folks from town is because those are the people who he knows to be the friendliest; while he's generally fine while awake, his memory of Drowzee (the Pokemon who'd acted _nice and friendly before suddenly turning hostile_ towards him and his sibling,) still haunts him on a subconscious level.
After all, if _one_ Pokemon who'd seemed perfectly nice on the surface turned out to be awful, who's to say all the other ones _couldn't_ ? Poor thing's probably gonna be dealing with that trauma for quite a while longer... :(
QwQ okay this hurts
;-;
If only there was a boss where it's you and your partner
@@borkerman here's the thing, every time they've been in trouble, You and your Partner help. you rescued him from Drowsy, you got their float. he sees you two as possibly the only two pokemon he can truely trust, so that's why you're not there ;3.
@@lupvirga what about Kecleon
Watching this made me remember how stellar the soundtracks in the mystery dungeon games were
I remember a theory saying that darkrai is the player and that everything is in a time loop of constantly repeating itself.
I just want more mystery dungeon videos tbh because I really love these games.
I heared of a Theory that the GuildMaster was Darkrai I don't remember the video, but yeye
@Jeanne Udall nice to see you too.
I've been very busy and just overall unhappy these past few days so seeing you again certainly helped brighten my mood.
It's a game theroy
I have seen the theory... And there's so much evidence towards it. You are darkrai. Second darkrai tries to kill you. Second darkrai becomes you in a new timeline while a third darkrai appears that is recruitable and then the loop continues. You think your human when your darkrai because the wormhole altered your memory
I saw that one, too. It's a great theory, and it the effects of the Time Travel doesn't mess with the Timeline, so it seems like it's meant to happen
"wigglytuff has commited several felonies"
that just sounds like the caption for a meme at this point
Timestamp?
"stay tuned for more news when 'Wigglytuff Commits Numerous War Crimes' blows up on your Nintendo Switch!"
-Approved by Tax Fraud Yoshi
@@justafan9206 25:05
@@finhz thanks.
More info for the “the meteor is from ORAS’ world”. During the delta episode the Mossdeep scientists talk about warping the meteor via “mega energy” and Zinnia described a prophesy from the Dragonians (her race) that said “the meteor will be teleported to another world where megas don’t exist” while that means the ORAS meteor is different there is more to the theory,
in Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon they confirm there are multiple different versions of the world through Guzzlord’s ultra space. (This theory i’m mentioning here it based on another theory about X/Y) now theres a second theory that in another world AZ’s ultimate weapon succeeded and destroyed all humans (note: JUST HUMANS). The rest of the theory is that the mystery dungeon world is the world where AZ did destroy humanity (hence why there are manmade objects and pokemon know about humans)
So how does that correlate to the meteor? In ORAS one of deoxys’ dex entries state that he was created by a “giant laser being fired into space”, in XY when it shows when the ultimate weapon was fired it shoots up into space.
Basically the theory is AZ firing the ultimate weapon created deoxys and killed all the humans then deoxys tried to crashed a meteor into the world (canonically it did that because it was upset about the ultimate weapons blast). The rest is assuming the time between the “good” XY’s past and ORAS delta is the same as the “bad” version of XY’s past and PMD is the same.
I like the theory, but here's Deoxys' ORAS entry I believe you're referring to:
"The DNA of a space virus underwent a sudden mutation upon exposure to a laser beam and resulted in Deoxys. The crystalline organ on this Pokémon's chest appears to be its brain."
It only mentions a laser beam and doesn't describe anything about said laser, meaning for all we know Deoxys could've been created in a lab when scientists were studying a space virus. Another huge point is that that exact Dex entry is used for OG Ruby, so it was more likely in OR to stay faithful to the originals rather than actual lore. I also don't know what you mean by it apparently being canon that Deoxys was upset by the ultimate weapon's blast, is there a source on that?
Basically, there really isn't much defining evidence that links Deoxys to AZ's ultimate weapon as far as I know.
The more likely candidate for the laser that awakened Deoxys in PMD is Rayquaza's hyper beam during the events of the rescue team games.
Ayyy same profile pic
I'm honestly surprised Mix Elixir didn't make it onto the list, the fact it only restores PP for Linoone is so wacky and random, as a kid with not much internet access it was such a puzzling thing
I can answer this one! It's a translation problem; Max Elixir in Japanese is ピーピーマックス (PP Max). The word max (マックス) is similar to the Japanese name for linoone (マッスグマ), making the item Mix Elixir in Japanese be a pun, ピーピーマッスグ (PP Massugu), which means it's an item that only works on マッスグマ.
This is the same for all of the 'fake items' in mystery dungeon, like the reviser seed (ぷっかつのタネvs ふっかつのタネ aka reviver seed) and whatever the oran berry one is called (オレンのみ vs オレソのみ) (oran berry vs oreso berry).
Source: I'm Japanese and have 3000+ hours on the game since childhood :)
@@kaigankaya Huh...interesting.
@@PeterGriffin11 I didn't know how they translated it into English so it was fun for me to find out myself haha
It's kind of amazing because I'm playing a randomizer as Linoone at the moment
Kaigan Kaya’s comment is definitely more interesting but yeah it’s the weird spelling of fake items. In French it’s max elinir, which works well. Dunno why he English version didn’t do the same
My personal belief regarding the Bidoof theory is that the friend Bidoof wished for was the partner, and that the hero showing up was totally unrelated. To grant this wish, Jirachi could’ve given the partner the relic fragment, knowing that they would’ve gone to the guild to ask about it. This would explain how a random Pokémon with no adventure experience got the object that summons a sacred living water taxi who can cross the sea of time. Even in the end of the first special episode, Bidoof mentions that he only asked for one new friend, but ended up with two.
Imo the funniest idea is Jirachi goes, “Oh? You want a friend to join the guild? Sure I’ll join!”
I always figured bidoofs wish was never actually granted but rather jirachi was able to sense that we as the protagonist would join the guild soon enough and that bidoofs wish would come true regardless so he just let bidoof believe that he granted the wish in order to give him hope for rhe future and in reality, the events were already set on course out of convenience and timing of story plot events.
I fucking love this theory... this GAME THEORY.
Sorry, not sorry.
But that would mean they would never figure out about the World's paralysis.
Another theory is the whole Wigglytuff theory in that he was the one to find the fragment, as he knew Lapras as a good friend by the time we meet her
Spoilers, but then again why else is anyone on this video? I think you should've talked about the explorer Scizor from Explorers. We hear about him being lost from Mr. Mime, a town citizen that appears from time to time, who talks about how he went missing in the Blizzard Island. Then, we go there to find out he was frozen, whether by Froslass or by the natural frigid cold, for a great amount of time. Once Froslass is defeated, he breaks out of his frozen tomb and you take him back to Treasure Town. Iirc(haven't played the game in a long time), he talks about how he used to be a part of the Exploration Federation and gives you a secret rank. I always wondered about what things might've been like in the time period he had been a part of, whether it's a few decades or even hundreds of years.
I loved that event it was such a nice hommage to rescue team cause even the soundtrack of the blizzard isle was the same from rescuers + its a rescuing mission
I always thought that he came from the rescuers world
I remember way back then I cried my eyes out when Nuzleaf betrayed the main character because I truly felt like he was in some way an adoptive parent to me because my real parents were never there for me. Man, these games truly have a special place in my heart, and I'm glad people still talk about them!
Aw man. Sorry to hear that.
The unseen force in PMD always reminded me of the similar force that kicks you out of the Abyssal Ruins in Pokémon Black and White. I wonder if anyone else has ever made that connection?
It's just the player drowning, so they're pokemon brings them back to surface.
@@sheff4719 no there is definitely a water current
@@Robin_hsr12 yeah a water current that's going through their lungs
@@sheff4719 the water current pushes the player out of the ruins
@@Robin_hsr12 by filling up their bodies with water
A few things I wanted to mention:
Something I think should be on the iceberg is: in Explorers there is a special conversation you can see if you go back to Lapras after Grovyle returns to the future. I encountered this as a kid when I needed to leave Temporal Tower and Hidden Land to grind, and I've never heard anyone else mention it.
Also, big spoilers for Gates to Infinity: it confirms the "secret council" bit about Gardevoir. There's a council of gods that brings humans into the Pokemon universe to try and save it, and a phenomenon that the villagers sometimes see turns out to be the humans that failed returning home.
I’m pretty certain that’s a plot line in gates to infinity (at least it’s an event)
@@Poketom-ob1dl wait...that could indicate something...if someone manages to form some sort of, dimensional tether to these games, and fire it into a black hole, we may get something back. Because black holes could actually be wormholes to other dimensions or universes. One may exist where pokemon are real. And if that's true, and we can successfully get pushback from something on the other end, we might have a means of entering their world if we can make contact. To show them that we are out there. And that they may call upon us through our systems. To plunge us from our bodies, to become comatose, and to eventually return shall we succeed or fail.
I find it funny that Gates is the only one to show other humans failing to accomplish their mission. Of all the games to show that in, they choose the easiest one.
I got that convo with Lapras you mentioned. Just hit harder man.
A theory I haven't seen mentioned related to the "Recurring characters between games" point is the theory that Team Charm's Gardevoir and Medicham are the same characters as the Gardevoir and Medicham in Red/Blue Rescue Team. I think the only real evidence for this is that the Team Charm Gardevoir and Medicham are in Super Mystery Dungeon and also have connections with Gengar and Ekans, but it's a fun theory regardless.
I always believed this myself, and sad I didn't mention it in the video, I think it's a really cool theory!
Always thought that the winds were just the shift of the dungeons, because they're mysterious in which the room are always randomly generated. in which the dungeon kicks you out when it needs to change, Its weird, I might be wrong about it, but thats my thoughts of it
You’re not the only one to say it and I love this theory. Maybe because it finally explains one of my childhood fears? That wind as ominous af
Wigglytuff being referred to as female in PSMD is actually a localization error.
based
So the japanese text refer to Wigglytuff as male?
@@duykhangtran4406 iirc the english versions of Explorers of Time and Sky called wigglytuff a guy too.
every time i think i understand the word "based" and then i stumble across it being used like this and i realize i have no idea what it means
@@timothyross8834 same
Ok, theres this one rare thing in explorers of sky that happened to me once.
Theres this fake reviver seed item called reviser seed or something like that.
An enemy pokemon, an electrode picked it up and tried to revive itself with it when I killed it. Then a special rare dialogue happens, when the Electrode says something like "oh wow, this was a reviser seed. How stupid! Guess I die now, hahaha!" Then dies.
It was so weird and random.
The Reviser Seed actually revives them, but they notice it wasn't an actual Reviver Seed and faint laughing.
The fake items become extremely common the farther in the game you are.
What about the theory that you are darkrai. That at the end of the game when darkrai goes into the time portal and it gets shattered he turns into a human (you). Essentially trapping him in a sort of time loop(?)
Yes I saw that on RUclips
well, here's one thing that could go against it, for starters; transmuation is wack in thies games, secondly, it would most likely fit Wigglytuff because he has some sort of power since he was a kid making him more unnatural than a regular igglypuff (highfully dought that dialga would remember the past events in which the human might know, but maybe) lastly, I would just say that the human was with Grovyle and had the gift in which was said to be an unknowned art from who know what(maybe arceus)
Imo that's disturbing.
I've never seen this theory until today and, while it is cool, I'm sad to say that Darkrai is implied to have become an amnesiac after Palkia scatters his portal... You can find him at random in a select few dungeons as long as you have the Secret Slab or Mystery Part in your bag, but he has a -22% recruit rate either way.
Combine that with the Bidoofs wish theory and you have the perfect time loop horror movie. You would have to travel back in time to kill Bidoof or Jirachi before the wish was granted, to finally get releaved and vanish out of existence.
I'm surprised the theory that the human in PSMD is the hero from GtI wasn't on the iceberg. For anyone who doesn't know the theory, here is how it goes:
-The Dark Matter from Super shares many similarities with the Bittercold from Gates: both are crystal-like structures formed from the negative emotions of pokemon, both have vulnerable red cores and durable outer shells, both cause objects around them to float, and both will destroy the world if left unchecked. It is very likely that the Dark Matter and Bittercold are the same thing, or at the very least are related to each other.
-Throughout PSMD, the player is told that they have fought the Dark Matter before. This is most likely referring to the fight against the Bittercold in GtI.
-At the end of PSMD, the player doesn't return to the human world. This is because they were already permitted to stay in the pokemon world at the end of Gates.
-If you recruit Hydreigon in Super, he will claim to recognize you, then gets concerned when he learns you lost your memory.
A side effect of this theory is that it implies that the partner from Gates was actually Mew in disguise, which can possibly be explained:
-Mew can use Transform.
-The partner in Gates is friendly and trusting despite everyone else being cruel and distrustful. This is similar to Mew in Super, who is perpetually happy and quickly chooses to travel with the player after they meet.
Lastly, here is some unrelated GtI trivia that could be added to the iceberg: the residents of Post Town have their own little stories that play out as you progress through the game. Here are some highlights:
-Rampardos trying to ask out Cinccino, but being too nervous. This one is probably the most well-known.
-Ducklett, Swanna, and Trubbish: Trubbish is a guest at Swanna's inn, but he always leaves a mess wherever he goes. It's Ducklett's job to clean up after him and complains to Swanna, who is too nice to kick him out. Feeling guilty, Trubbish eventually leaves on his own.
-Dwebble's letter: early in the game, there is a Dwebble in town who claims his shell is cracking and that he needs to find a new home. If you keep talking to him, he tells you that the crack is getting worse. One day, Dwebble disappears. If you talk to Swanna after Dwebble leaves, she will give you a letter Dwebble wrote for you before he left, explaining that his shell finally broke and he was to embarrassed to say goodbye in person.
It's either that or Dark Matter is just a Bittercold rip-off😂
Also after you bring the human back (oof, spoilers) it turns out Dwebble lied about the crack and tries to blame his Crustle buddy, before promptly apologizing.
Also, Crustle says “my rock isn’t a tiramisu”, proving tiramisus are in fact canon in the Pokémon universe.
I’m really tempted to think that Bittercold traveled from space through the Meteor that Rayquaza blew up may have housed it.
Sometime in the future Darkrai is tempted to screw things up, leading to Dialgia also going ‘Primal’ because its Bittercold just not really acknowledged until Gates of Infinity.
Story moves on its beaten but then Super happen and Everyone is here! Meaning somehow everything has happened & did happen but all the timelines from prior games got shoved into one place.
Bittercold evolves into Dark Matter with way more power to twist the Pokémon to do its bidding considering Super’s story. I think they wanted to wipe everything to zero by having everyone here in one place.
Wasn't it so that the events of the past Dark Matter encounter had happened a long time ago? A lot of things related to said time(s?) are written in ancient languages or are labeled as being very old. Meanwhile, all the characters from GTI are wandering around in SMD, talking about their time in Post Town as if it was mere months ago.
This on its own is of course rather weird, for all of the locations of the previous games have seemingly been wiped from existence with nobody commenting on it. Let alone giant parts of the maps not aligning and whatnot, but I digress...
I like to think that the Bittercold was a bit of a pawn to test the waters created by Dark Matter. The latter in the way we know it likes to take over the home of some being and use its powers to achieve its own nefarious goals. With the Great Glacier seemingly being a long-time phenomenon, this may be no different. Maybe there was a being similar to Xerneas that owned said place, only for it too to be exploited by the edgy orb. The places in which the two are found hanging certainly do look alike in one shape or form from what I can remember. Maybe these space-places were created by similar beings?
So perhaps after waiting a very long time to strike again, Dark Matter figured it'd be a great idea to put up a puppet and see how the world would respond before it would make its own return.
@@UnsavedChanges That is an interesting idea. The hardest part about theorizing about the PMD timeline is explaining why so many characters that lived in different points in history coexist. The most common explanation is that the references to the previous games through characters are non-canon, despite appearing in the game (unfortunately, this discounts the evidence that Hydreigon recognized the player). Since posting my original comment I have seen a variation of the theory that attempt to explain this:
The modified theory states that the Dark Matter was defeated by Mew and an unknown human thousands of years ago, likely before any of the games. Eventually, it came back on the Mist Continent as the Bittercold, where it was "destroyed" by the GtI player. Some time after, the player realized that the Bittercold would return and agreed to give up their memory to find a new way to stop it, leading to Super.
In addition to explaining how GtI characters exist in Super, this reorders the timeline in a way that corrects my biggest problem with the theory: architecture. If all the PMD games exist in one continuous timeline, then it doesn't make sense for GtI to be the first to happen. Based on the buildings we see in game, it makes much more sense if Explorers happened first, long before the other games (supported by the fact that mystery dungeons are a relatively new phenomenon in PMD2, popping up due to the destruction of time). Rescue Team, Gates, and Super appear to take place in relatively close succession. If PMD1 takes place shortly before Super, it might explain why the player suggested they have their memories wiped. If we view the character cameos as canon, then this is also when Explorers's Future takes place.
Lastly, this requires an explanation for how characters from PMD2 past and future exist at the same time, since Celebi said generations had passed between the two. My theory is that the Guild members we meet in Super are actually the descendants of the Guild members in the original game. We know it is rare for Wigglytuff's Guild to find new recruits, but the children of recruits can join the Guild (like Diglett). This also explains why Wigglytuff is female in Super when she was male in Explorers (though there are other possible explanations for this).
*Moves that give me a heart attack when I hear it being triggered:*
*Fury Attack
*Rock Blast
*Helping Hand (in a Monster House)
*Acient Power
*Earth Power
*Hydro Pump
*Roar of Time
*Agility
*Discharge
And wait for it...
*SUBSITUTE* (in the first 2 games)
Bruh.
Do you know how horrifying it is when you're entire team TURNS AGAINST YOU?!
You're forgetting about Perish Song and Spore.
Bullet seed is worse, it's a fucking multi hit PROJECTILE in the first few games.
Roll out?
I see you all the time
Attract in the first game was evil
what i like in super mystery dungeon is when you recruit pokemon the friend tree connects to all teams, connections and references. when you have Alakazam, Charizard and Tyranitar they are connected as team Act. hell if you recruit Wigglytuff and the guild members they're all connected in the tree
20:42 In Team Charm’s defense, they’re an Exploration Team, not a Rescue Team. Biiiig difference
I remember hearing a theory that was discussed a very long time ago is that the Zero Isle Dungeons is where the Pokemon you rejected to recruit (mostly from missions & eggs) go to. Kinda explains the wide range of Pokémon you see in the dungeons.
I heard that too, but instead of recruit rejects, it was the criminals!
Yo Bruh what’s the name of that Mother fan game? Sounds cool!
Mother: Cognitive Dissonance!
You can get it here: cogdis.tazmily.com/
WAIT SALTY IS A MOTHER FAN?!?
Notice me senpai
Cognitive Dissonance! It's interesting.
Rom hack, I think it's called Cognitive Dissonance.
Some more interesting things I wanted to point out:
- there’s an item called the Coronet Rock in explorers that mentions Mt. Coronet in Sinnoh. I think it’s used to evolve magnetron and Probopass
- At the very end of the game Team Raider appears on the beach after saving Dugtrio from the water. I remember reading a bunch of crazy rumors about how if you got the guild master rank wigglytuff would run to the beach to see Team Raider and some kind of cutscene would play
-Apparently Croagunk already passed his graduation exam and can leave whenever he wants, but he stays at the guild because his cauldron can’t be moved
-Frozen Island in episode 5 is actually Blizzard Island in the future
I got the guild Master rank and nothing happened
@@AlexandroGarcia6492 hence the 'crazy rumour' part.
I'm quite surprised the fact that Ampharos was planning to have you killed isn't on here.
Let me explain. (spoilers, duh.)
In SMD, after you join the Expedition Society, you, your partner, and Archen set out to the Air Continent. There, you witness Latios and Latias crashing in the mystical forest. You head over to investigate, only to find they've turned to stone.
Entei shows up to investigate it himself and wrongly assumes you're the one behind it. He warns you with what is essentially a death-threat and bails. (he says he would 'not be so merciful' next time.)
Just after this, there's a cutscene where Ampharos is stress eating or something after being told about the events. The day after, he comes up with the idea to have a fun outing with everyone really soon! How delightful! Destination: Fire Island. The home of Entei. What a funny coincidence.
Once there, he divides everyone into groups. You and your partner are paired with Buizel, who's taken to the side by Ampharos before you head in. Ampharos warns Buizel about Entei and tells him not to engage if they make contact, thus proofing Ampharos knew VERY WELL who was up there, warning a SINGLE ONE of his comrades about him. It's very strange to have him tell this quite crucial fact to Buizel in confidence, hiding it from you and the partner, despite knowing what happened in the forest a few days prior.
You head on to the summit and make it there first. Strange, given the other groups existed out of what should be fully experienced adventurers instead of just ONE paired with two children.
There, Entei shows himself. Buizel disregards the warning he got and attacks Entei seemingly just because he wants to see if he can make a dent in his skull. This obviously doesn't happen and he's thrashed.
Entei then refers to his death threat ("You! Did I not tell you?! That I would not be so merciful next time!") and after destroying Buizel, implies he'll get on with it. ("I must admit I respect your foolish bravery! I have no choice but to admire your will! And so it is with great respect… That I finish you off!") The only reason he does not succeed in kicking the everliving stuff out of you is the scarf you are wearing deciding to show its magical powers and make you much more powerful. So you destroy him instead, only for Ampharos and the others to emerge and tell Entei that this is all a misunderstanding. He leaves, you have lunch on the mountain and go home. All happy end.
This is never brought up again in the game as far as I am aware.
Let's break it down.
Ampharos knew Entei would want you dead.
Ampharos knew Entei was at the site where the two were turned to stone.
Ampharos DID NOT know the scarves you wore were magical.
So Ampharos essentially sent you on a suicide mission disguised as a fun outing. He knew that once you would get up there, one in two things could possibly happen:
1: You are dead.
2: You are turned to stone.
Either way, he would have his answer.
He could never have guessed a magical event would allow you to live. He was fully prepared to throw you under the bus for that slither of information: the answer to Entei being the one turning everyone to stone or not.
It was a sacrifice he was willing to make. He was prepared to have two children he barely knew killed for a yes/no answer and nobody judges him for it. He's this full happy guy all throughout the rest of the game, wishing you the best and offering you a job.
No sorry. No compensation. Just business as usual I suppose.
If Wiggs is on it for 'committing a felony', shouldn't Ampharos be on here for attempted murder?
See I think a lot of fans stayed behind on the ds games. So most people don’t know about smd
I'm currently replaying super mystery dungeon and this kind of makes sense. You should have even add that he tries that plan twice by letting you confront krocodile (it's a similar situation but they give you awhile and bunnelby probably to make progress on the research).
Oh wow, I had forgotten about this comment… been almost 3 years already I think. February I think it was.
I hadn’t considered this part, and re-reading my own comment recaptured my interest, so I dusted off the script. While what you say is true, some key points make it a little less of a direct ‘retry’.
Now Dedenne delivers this news on the spot, so this one is at the very least not premeditated.
He says the following after hearing it (minus responses in between):
“I see. I thank you for that information, Dedenne. Very well. I had intended for us all to go together to the Prehistoric Ruins… but it seems a change of plans is in order. We’ll have a Krookodile pursuit squad and a Prehistoric Ruins expedition squad. So let’s split into two groups. First up, those who will go after Krookodile… Partner, Human. Will you two please go?”
“If he’s headed for the village, I need people who know the lay of the land. And also… I hear you are worried about your loved ones in the village. However, it’s far too dangerous to send just the two of you.”
“We need to consider that Partner and Human may have to battle Krookodile. We need to find out as much as we can before it comes to that.”
This time he directly states that what they’re about to do is dangerous, and at this point, the two are well aware of what that danger is. Additionally, he asked them if they’d want to go, it wasn’t much of an order.
He also has an actual reason for choosing them… though I bet the guys that are making a literal map would know the land directly around their own town just as well, if not better. And this time he knows they have a ‘funny’ garment with which they should be able to bench-press Krookodile if he doesn’t turn them into statues.
So he does kinda send them on a path to death again to just distract and get a yes/no answer, but this time he asked, and the two themselves agreed while knowing the coming danger. So while you are right, I don’t think it’s completely fair to say he just ‘tries it again’.
He more or less kindly asks if they’re willing to jump off the bridge by themselves, wearing a parachute that may or may not trigger or even work to keep them safe might it indeed be as dangerous as it looks. And they oblige.
I had quite a bit of fun going back through this to investigate, which I guess is evident just looking at this comment... So I guess I gotta thank you for bringing it to my attention. Have a happy new year! ;)
@@UnsavedChanges It's good the explanation but I was referring to the first time they send you to krocodile when the warnings start appearing in lively Town and they send you to protect Entei in separate groups. I guess ampharos was willing to see a yes or no response no matter of what, in this case Entei was the one to fall. I progressed trough the prehisctorical cave part and I refreshed some parts, just to say that ampharos wasn't like sacrificing but just having half baked plans that for the cause of the plot results into having our protagonists in trouble. I just came to that conclusion.
Oh, the Showdown Mountain thing… The only part I could remember involving Krookodile was the Revelation Mountain one. I now realize your typo didn’t mean ‘a while’, but Mawile in your comment. If I picked up on that I think I’d have seen I was in the wrong place.
Going back again, It does seem that Ampharos originally didn’t even want the two to come along. Rather, he’s talked into bringing them right after originally stating; “You will watch over our headquarters. This is too dangerous for you.”
So yeah, it indeed seems Amp’s just good at launching half-baked plans and being easily persuaded (and/or suspiciously OK with getting the duo in trouble. Anything for a “please” and those answers). Though I’d say it’s the duo’s fault as well after Fire Island for rolling with it. Twice.
I guess we gotta give Amp a bit of a break, the lad’s got some issues upstairs. They show it in multiple ways; his unhinged stress-eating, his nonexistent sense of direction… as the leader of an exploration group… Maybe he should keep to his paperwork. >.>
Now you could wonder if this low-level insanity is perhaps to blame for Fire Island rather than true malicious intent, but he did take Buizel to the side at the entrance to explain the threat of Entei to ONLY HIM, so he was well aware at the time, and purposefully hid the info from the others. And he essentially planned the whole thing based on Entei's threat to the duo. So that one stays, no pleading insanity there. At least to me.
Oh well, I guess the eventual outcome of all these misadventures is good, so… I guess we should be thankful for his questionable leadership.
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I wanted grovyle in smash over sephiroth.
Fight me.
Why would I fight you when you're right?
I didn't even know Sephiroth existed until he was revealed😂(no offense to Final Fantasy fans)
FACTS. SO MANY FACTS. Also, I need a comic that can show how the first human ended up in their world. Maybe we can link it to our own. Showing these "Games" In a new light. Especially if we reach a point where these games can scan the player directly. To determine their favorite pokemon.
YES.
We need a Grovyle and Celebi duo like Rosalina and Luma
- Stairs in nature doesn't make sens, you can't have floor in a forest.
- Kangashkan statues are teleportating items
- When you are with Bidoof in expedition you end up sleeping at some point, it takes 5 seconds and the all squad is at the exact same place when they wake up. They lied, they didn't sleep.
- If you refuse an egg, they give you money
I also have a bunch of facts on the dungeon generation but it's more bugs than anything, I reverse engineered pretty much the all system now and it's nerdy stuff
I think the stairs are just there for the game design and only symbolise progress. In the "real" dungeon the pokemon would probably just be going deeper into the forest or closer to the outskirts
@@Reionder It's a pretty good way to not use the usual teleporter and I like it but a little more would be cool. Like it works fine in a tower or a cave but not that much in other places
Could you talk about some of the info you've gleaned? I'm interested
@@umber6937 the game tries to generate dungeon until it get one that working, and if after 10 times the dungeon is still not valid, it just generate a giant monster house on the all floor.
The generator have an unused algorithm to generate maze room, just like the one with water maze, but the wall seams create problems so it's just not used.
Some parts of the code are actually wrong, like the generation use a check only on the right 4 times instead of all direction. Making more possible failed dungeons.
And a dungeon that doesn't work is because some parts can't be liked to the others.
There is a bit of jank eveywhere in the generator, it's pretty weird that we can't see any problem in games. But it's actually a very smart algorithm made for very simple hardware.
(My english might also be jank tonight, sorry)
Everything is a tower or cave with mystery stairs. Even if it's a forest or a prairie
I'd say Mystery Dungeon is also a type of game that is kind of by its nature going to not get good professional reviews. It requires you to invest quite a bit of playtime to really get into it, and a professional reviewer is only going to put a few hours into each game.
But that makes no sense in regards to other roguelikes (I realize that I am a year late lol). Isaac and other roguelikes post the indie renaissance all score high because people reviewing them do like roguelikes.
I imagine IGN/other companies don’t have a guy who likes both Roguelikes and pokemon?
USgamer did have a positive review of the game though, and the dude did play BRT/RRT as a child, so yeah. I’d say you need to have your brain set to: “Pokemon good” and “Roguelikes good”.
Once I tried the Sky randomizer and got my butt kicked repeatedly so bad because the first mission for Spoink's pearl had Espeons with Roar Of Time all over, and I learned if you die two or three times in that dungeon Chatot tells you Wigglytuff wants to talk to you, and he gives you a Reviver Seed and I think an Oran Berry while Chatot tells you not to screw up again lol
I asked around on reddit and no one else had seemed to know about it
Edit: oops you showed it at the end, but it was interesting to see the randomizer after mentioning it lol
The last part on the Deep Water was kinda funny until I thought: A furry am I or A furry am I not? That is the question.....
@Chris TheArcticFox tru though. The fandom is quite wholesome in my eyes. The thing that interests me in furry anthro is the art. Just other people making floof bois. Somewhere at the PMD Reddit there was a topic that said PMD is somewhat related to the furry fandom like the said Pokefurs :>