I used to sing identical to Kurt... When I'd play and sing Nirvana songs, with my brother playing the drums, people would freak the hell out and say "you sound like Kurt has taken possession of you." And screwed it all up while continuing to sing with a sore throat when becoming ill... We were going to do a tribute to Nirvana gig. I regret to this day that I didn't stop singing his songs during that time.
@@letsgobroncos4143 Thanks bro! It does... I screwed up my voice in '96. In 2002 my brother and I were going to do the tribute but I was struggling! I sounded like shit! The music was there but my voice wasn't. I had his guitar sound to a T, but no longer in my voice. But I'm happy to say, that I was recently asked to be the lead singer for a local band. Our first gig on May 11th will include Man In The Box by AIC! I'm getting my voice back singing that. I played around the other day with Drain You, and Lithium! I'm getting it back! Not as killer as it was, but close enough. I'll be doing some Nirvana in the next upcoming gigs! When I post some vids, I'll keep you in mind and tag you here. Thanks again man!
Kirt’s voice cuts through the mix so well. His distortion was so articulated like he had a fuzz pedal for his voice. Personally, I think he was influenced by Lennon.
This was very helpful since I’m trying to find my “voice” for a band, I’ll make sure to add my own magic to it for when I sing.... or something along those lines.
Hey Patrick, greetings from Singapore. I'm 21 this year who has a really big passion for rock and metal singing, I really admire the technicality behind it and that's how I've decided to learn it. I came across your channel after watching sooo many videos on how to sing rock, do distortion, rasp etc but none of them are detailed enough for a beginner like me(Most of them just beat around the bush and end up promoting their singing courses). I can sing clean but when it comes to adding distortion, I feel like I'm using mostly throat and it dries out my vocal chords. Hopefully you can give a detailed tutorial on how to do all this because I have to say, I really love your voice and how you demonstrate the different types of techniques! That being said, I will continue browsing through your channel and see what else can I pick up from you. Cheers!
Ryan for sure man! Screaming is one of those things that can take a long time to learn. What I would say though is that you try to learn the vocal fry scream first. The main tip that I would give you is to pull way back on the volume. What your trying to develop initially is just the rasp, then you can start singing and yelling a bit through it.
I think you’re on to something here. My question: any idea how to add more volume? Mine sounds good, but just not loud enough to stay in front of my band
BoonFire Volume should never be the goal for creating the sound. It’s one of the biggest beginner mistakes that I see, the top one being where the student try’s to imitate his favorite singer and never develops a natural tone. There’s a couple of things you can do. 1. Thin the chords out more. Almost all the greatest rock singers sing though a very small voice. This gives them more control and allows for them to bridge into the upper register. This sound is also what cuts through the band. There is a certain element of volume that can add some aggression to the sound, but it usually will hinder the control of the voice. Now when I say thin out the chords more, I mean a literally Axl Rose physical thin through the entire range of your voice. This is kinda like taking a garden hose and putting your thumb on the end to shoot it further. Now to create this sound which is known as the pharyngeal voice, you have to pull back on volume a bit. Too much volume will cause the chords to press and it will sound very strained. Go and listen to the classics: Kurt Cobain, Fredy Mercury, Robert Plant, Rob Halford, Sebastian Bach, Layne Staley, Chris Cornell, John Fogerty, and so many others are all singing through this small voice. The real secret to it is to not resonate out but rather up into the hard or soft pallet. Honestly though man, if you really want to learn it, go buy and read The Voice Of The Mind. \m/
I can scream like Kurt and it just comes naturally. I don’t practice or anything. It’s not great tequniqe, but it just comes naturally where multiple octave sounds just come out but to the sense where I can somewhat control the octaves that are released. It’s really odd I just sorta stumbled upon it when practicing songs such as “Spank Thru” and the alt. version of “Big Cheese”
A lot of the 80s Brit hardcore punk is rhaspy singing and screaming... The best sounding bands of this particular style have the rhaspiest voices ... So I've done a few covers and the only time I actually enjoyed the vocals was the most destructive. 3 rd song in a row and you start tasting blood and your voice is gone for a day. It sucks. Kurt was told by his doctor, while getting his stomach looked at, that he must stop singing in a band immediately or lose his voice permanently. He made jokes about this with the band (he tried quitting the band a few times) and continued performing. :/
*Hi, I can t manage to sing like this, if i try to add the rough in my voice i sound like metal but i want to sound like you and kurt HELP MEEE PLEAAAASE*
I can get the sound your demonstrating around minute 3:00 and sing it on a wide range of notes (from my middle-lower until almost my highest notes) but i can´t seem to get how to sing actually lyrics with it. As long as I do an "Eh", "Ey" or "Oh" I get it fairly easy. Any tips?
@@hey_thankstommy5269 Im a girl and I have a very raspy voice haha. But it’s natural so I don’t know what to recommend. I’m also a smoker. That seems to have made it more raspy
If I start from the position you showed at 1:57 and start shouting... that will just make me do a death growl. Is the raspy singing in Kurt's style even possible if you have a deep voice? I can't nail it.
You got to practice using your stomach to sing and build up from there and when you get get at that then try closing your throat while you sing and then you should be able to do it
hey patrick if you read this why is it that when i try and do vocal fry it starts turning into belting? the best way i can describe my attempts at vocal fry screaming end up sounding similar to how bob noxious sounds in big cannons. its a much more gravelly harsh sound with alot of midrange. as well i can do pretty well with things sung randy blythe or dave grohl where my more gravelly voice sits a bit better than in more raspyish songs. But thats because through trying to learn vocal fry i just hapened apon belting. I can get vocal fry to happen when i whisper but when i try to apply it at volume it either chokes out and my throat closes too much and i and it starts to tickle from tension or i get annoyed and find a way around it usually with belting XD.
As cool as his voice may sound, it really isn’t healthy to scream and shout a lot like Kurt did. I actually did some research and found that he was really close to blowing his voice out completely. Stay safe
Agent_Orca It was most likely a bad foundation plus all the drugs, cigarettes, and alcohol. I can do this for a good 3 to 4 hours a day no problem. But then again I’m very well trained in Bel Canto Opera.
The way Kurt sang was unhealthy, he pushed his voice. But the way Patrick shows is completely good, you just have to remember not to push your voice and remember that it shouldn't hurt
Kurt just wasn’t the best singer. He was my favourite vocalist, but he wasn’t a good singer from a technical point of view. Pretty clear listening to the Unplugged cd (Lake of Fire cover).
Good point, Lake of Fire was a little out of his comfort range - funny, I actually mentioned that on my version of 'how to sing like Kurt, which you can find here: ruclips.net/video/cnH08hg6xH0/видео.html
You're singing quietly.... You're not kurt. Kurt sing from the top of his lungs.. And don't talk about subpop. And stop taking aderol. Not sure how to spell that drug name because I'm not on it.
Ahahaha no one do this long term, unless you WANT to permanently fry your vocal chords. I know from experience. (Perma-fried my own voice.) It sounds romantic to have a permanently raspy voice, but when you are fully unable hit certain notes, you'll be disappointed. Formally learn the process of using VOCAL COMPRESSION. Practice safely, and properly, to avoid permanent vocal chord damage. Side note to content creator: Sorry bro, you just didn't go over the warmup basics in this particular vid. If people jump directly in to fry screaming, they might unintentionally damage themselves. You aren't wrong here, you just missed a couple steps. Thank you for the free knowledge and content though!
I know nothing Yeah no... You’re dead wrong on that. Did Ronnie James Dio ruin his voice? How about Tim Ripper Owens? Obviously Kurt didn’t live long enough although I’m sure he would’ve had problems from drug use and so on. If you want to talk about the greatness of the so called compression technique, which is more than likely going to cause you to strain and bow your vocal chords leaving you with a terrible and heavy sound, then go ahead. Just make sure that you are cleaning off your chords after you’re done singing with lip bubbles or tongue trills. I mean shit. Show me you’re technique I’ll let you know what else is going wrong.
Nope, it only occurs when you push your voice or it hurts. I have screamed (more brutal than Kurt but in a different healthy way) for a bit and I can still hit my tenor C5
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Smoke 2 packs a day
HAHAHAHA
Yup
You forgot do Heroin ...needles needles keep em coming lol
@@shanedavis3189 "And a bunch of little Kurt diseases"
@@thatpickingguy say that to my face you peice of shit
vocal fry is when you smoke 12 packs a day and fry your vocal cords
I used to sing identical to Kurt... When I'd play and sing Nirvana songs, with my brother playing the drums, people would freak the hell out and say "you sound like Kurt has taken possession of you." And screwed it all up while continuing to sing with a sore throat when becoming ill... We were going to do a tribute to Nirvana gig. I regret to this day that I didn't stop singing his songs during that time.
Fuck bro that sucks. How long ago was this?
@@letsgobroncos4143 Thanks bro! It does... I screwed up my voice in '96. In 2002 my brother and I were going to do the tribute but I was struggling! I sounded like shit! The music was there but my voice wasn't. I had his guitar sound to a T, but no longer in my voice. But I'm happy to say, that I was recently asked to be the lead singer for a local band. Our first gig on May 11th will include Man In The Box by AIC! I'm getting my voice back singing that. I played around the other day with Drain You, and Lithium! I'm getting it back! Not as killer as it was, but close enough. I'll be doing some Nirvana in the next upcoming gigs! When I post some vids, I'll keep you in mind and tag you here. Thanks again man!
This put it way simpler than other videos. Totally worth the watch.
Kirt’s voice cuts through the mix so well. His distortion was so articulated like he had a fuzz pedal for his voice. Personally, I think he was influenced by Lennon.
Yes he was. He got his scream trying to sound like lennon.
This was very helpful since I’m trying to find my “voice” for a band, I’ll make sure to add my own magic to it for when I sing.... or something along those lines.
did you find a bette way?
😅😅😅😅
He got the lyrics wrong 😔
He'd better wait..
Bette
In bloom , negative creep , territorial pissing 💟💟😌
He voice cracks towards the end
Paper Cuts, Tourettes, Mr Moustache.
I'm surprised how a video filmed with a phone got 4K views
almos 20k
Whistlindiesel has 214k subs and films on an iPhone
Because its very informative
45k
@@jaxontrexler3227 2M
Hey Patrick, greetings from Singapore. I'm 21 this year who has a really big passion for rock and metal singing, I really admire the technicality behind it and that's how I've decided to learn it. I came across your channel after watching sooo many videos on how to sing rock, do distortion, rasp etc but none of them are detailed enough for a beginner like me(Most of them just beat around the bush and end up promoting their singing courses). I can sing clean but when it comes to adding distortion, I feel like I'm using mostly throat and it dries out my vocal chords. Hopefully you can give a detailed tutorial on how to do all this because I have to say, I really love your voice and how you demonstrate the different types of techniques! That being said, I will continue browsing through your channel and see what else can I pick up from you. Cheers!
Ryan for sure man! Screaming is one of those things that can take a long time to learn. What I would say though is that you try to learn the vocal fry scream first. The main tip that I would give you is to pull way back on the volume. What your trying to develop initially is just the rasp, then you can start singing and yelling a bit through it.
Thank you for inspiring me to start making covers! P.s. Kurt Cobain will never die! :)
Legends never die. RIP
This was really interesting to watch, thanks for uploading this and keep making videos im sure you'll have a big following soon
Super informative, thanks for the upload
I fry a lot sometimes
Pet the fuzzy wall man.
@@madhatter785 what does that mean
This deserves way more likes and views, it's the one that is the most useful so ty Patrick!
He said that he sung from his stomach which produced ulsers so I would not recommend, it led to his heavy heroin used and pain while eating
TheDaphneStrat his stomach pains were because of his scoliosis, that worsened because of playing the guitar
It does not cause ulcers, breathing and singing from your stomach is actually how you are supposed to sing and breathe
Yeah I mean you’re not doing it right unless you cough up blood my friend
ive learned way more in this 3 min video than ive learned in the 30min ones
1:48 territorial pissings my dude
Helped a lot actually, thanks a bunch man. I like this style of tutorial, not flashy, just the dude telling me how to do something.
kurt also sounds like he placed his singing voice right where you have that drop off between chest and head voice and bounced between the two
Most excellent video and lesson! Thanks for posting.
bro! such clear, fast, precise, umph! you really are a good teacher!
When you do a Nirvana video and don't know the lyrics
I think you’re on to something here. My question: any idea how to add more volume? Mine sounds good, but just not loud enough to stay in front of my band
BoonFire Volume should never be the goal for creating the sound. It’s one of the biggest beginner mistakes that I see, the top one being where the student try’s to imitate his favorite singer and never develops a natural tone.
There’s a couple of things you can do.
1. Thin the chords out more.
Almost all the greatest rock singers sing though a very small voice. This gives them more control and allows for them to bridge into the upper register. This sound is also what cuts through the band. There is a certain element of volume that can add some aggression to the sound, but it usually will hinder the control of the voice.
Now when I say thin out the chords more, I mean a literally Axl Rose physical thin through the entire range of your voice.
This is kinda like taking a garden hose and putting your thumb on the end to shoot it further.
Now to create this sound which is known as the pharyngeal voice, you have to pull back on volume a bit. Too much volume will cause the chords to press and it will sound very strained.
Go and listen to the classics: Kurt Cobain, Fredy Mercury, Robert Plant, Rob Halford, Sebastian Bach, Layne Staley, Chris Cornell, John Fogerty, and so many others are all singing through this small voice.
The real secret to it is to not resonate out but rather up into the hard or soft pallet.
Honestly though man, if you really want to learn it, go buy and read The Voice Of The Mind. \m/
@@patrickobrien85 shit man, thanks for the effort, you should start a patreon or something
Buy a mic lol
I can scream like Kurt and it just comes naturally. I don’t practice or anything. It’s not great tequniqe, but it just comes naturally where multiple octave sounds just come out but to the sense where I can somewhat control the octaves that are released. It’s really odd I just sorta stumbled upon it when practicing songs such as “Spank Thru” and the alt. version of “Big Cheese”
Can you teach me how?
If someone wants to sing : rock/alternative rock/grunge :
Will he need a talent or skills ???
honestly no
no fuck this bullshit
only passion and love are what matter the most
Man my wife wanted to kill me 2min ago. Great job.
Hey Patrick , whenever i try to fry my voice it starts hurting my throat . Can you please tell me what im doing wrong ?
Yash Joshi Yeah you probably have the clean voice down wrong.
you need to learn how to isolate your false chords
also try singing into your soft palate
I think you sound a lot like Dave Grohl when you sing xD
Thx man this really help
I sound like Axl rose when I try to do this shit, that’s the exact opposite effect I wanted it to have 🙄
that was maybe the most useful video of my life so far
I should use 2:47 as my ringtone just as a reminder
Thanks bro u saved my sanity again
doesn't it hurt?
Margherita Ibbalif No not really. Just make sure you build into it. I can go for hours with this.
A lot of the 80s Brit hardcore punk is rhaspy singing and screaming... The best sounding bands of this particular style have the rhaspiest voices ... So I've done a few covers and the only time I actually enjoyed the vocals was the most destructive. 3 rd song in a row and you start tasting blood and your voice is gone for a day. It sucks.
Kurt was told by his doctor, while getting his stomach looked at, that he must stop singing in a band immediately or lose his voice permanently. He made jokes about this with the band (he tried quitting the band a few times) and continued performing. :/
Auston Smith What songs did you cover?
@@gabefranco6572 lots hahaha... floyd the barber, blew, rape me, drain you, in bloom, few gg allin songs, lots of death in june...
This D7 song is fun as shit!!!
ruclips.net/video/GrTHpKOQ96M/видео.html
When I try this I always scream/yell and I don't know how to do it a different way
*Hi, I can t manage to sing like this, if i try to add the rough in my voice i sound like metal but i want to sound like you and kurt HELP MEEE PLEAAAASE*
Une Meuf it’s impossible for you to SOUND like someone else, you can only do your best to imitate their style
Whenever I try to add vocal fry I get a pain in my throat and start coughing my lungs out
Lounge Act is a good example…
a betta waaaahy
Frying me some noodles
I can get the sound your demonstrating around minute 3:00 and sing it on a wide range of notes (from my middle-lower until almost my highest notes) but i can´t seem to get how to sing actually lyrics with it. As long as I do an "Eh", "Ey" or "Oh" I get it fairly easy. Any tips?
shet am a girl, need to work harder on that crunchy voice 👌🥓
Yo it’s Pablo hi have you had any progress? Another girl here looking for some tips😅
@@hey_thankstommy5269 Im a girl and I have a very raspy voice haha. But it’s natural so I don’t know what to recommend. I’m also a smoker. That seems to have made it more raspy
Sound a lot like early nirvana gigs after nevermind.
I learnt how to do a vocal fry metal scream, so how can use that
hey should i wait a couple of days after ive tired my voice out?
Another riskier option to add rasp and put less strain on your voice is to smoke 20 packs of Menthol Cigarettes each day for 10 years.
helikestosingalongbutheknowsnotwhatimeans`!
If I start from the position you showed at 1:57 and start shouting... that will just make me do a death growl. Is the raspy singing in Kurt's style even possible if you have a deep voice? I can't nail it.
Geda padeway apada way
First thing you need to do is learn vocal lessons after you get better at singing. You can smoke 4 packs of a day
Idek the difference between fry and gravel
I still don’t understand how to do it
You got to practice using your stomach to sing and build up from there and when you get get at that then try closing your throat while you sing and then you should be able to do it
Hey Hyde, check out my version of this video which may help - ruclips.net/video/cnH08hg6xH0/видео.html
3:01 when I get winded
hey patrick if you read this why is it that when i try and do vocal fry it starts turning into belting? the best way i can describe my attempts at vocal fry screaming end up sounding similar to how bob noxious sounds in big cannons. its a much more gravelly harsh sound with alot of midrange. as well i can do pretty well with things sung randy blythe or dave grohl where my more gravelly voice sits a bit better than in more raspyish songs. But thats because through trying to learn vocal fry i just hapened apon belting. I can get vocal fry to happen when i whisper but when i try to apply it at volume it either chokes out and my throat closes too much and i and it starts to tickle from tension or i get annoyed and find a way around it usually with belting XD.
meant to say what should i do at the end lol. what ever should i do! =0
I still don't understand how to do it, i just know that u can do it lol
dude my throat keeps hurting
As cool as his voice may sound, it really isn’t healthy to scream and shout a lot like Kurt did. I actually did some research and found that he was really close to blowing his voice out completely. Stay safe
Agent_Orca It was most likely a bad foundation plus all the drugs, cigarettes, and alcohol. I can do this for a good 3 to 4 hours a day no problem. But then again I’m very well trained in Bel Canto Opera.
The way Kurt sang was unhealthy, he pushed his voice. But the way Patrick shows is completely good, you just have to remember not to push your voice and remember that it shouldn't hurt
When ever I do it it hurts my throat
Poison pussy lol
Dammat. I'm singing Kurt Cobain booting up the RUclips sing on and this shit is in front of me. ... click.
He really didnt knew what hes doing. Sick and tired of this shit,
i follow phil anselmos teachings just smoke a bunch of cigs and scream it
His Neighbors be like ...
What is a vocal fry
It's like a potato fry except it uses cigs instead of oil
I prefer Frusciante's
Thank you so much I actually sound kinda like him ❤️ thank you
Jesper Arvidsson be yourself bruh
kinda sounds like daffy duck singing a better way lol
Thats never vocal fry
Kurt just wasn’t the best singer. He was my favourite vocalist, but he wasn’t a good singer from a technical point of view. Pretty clear listening to the Unplugged cd (Lake of Fire cover).
Good point, Lake of Fire was a little out of his comfort range - funny, I actually mentioned that on my version of 'how to sing like Kurt, which you can find here: ruclips.net/video/cnH08hg6xH0/видео.html
chris liepe gets a 2/10 you get an 8/10
chris liepe is good for cornell stuff
heroin
All you gotta do is become a heroin addict
Kurt's way of singing is so bad on your vocal cords.....kurt blew his voice out alot but he did have a vary beautiful natural raspy voice
I have yet to blow out my voice.
(But he knows not what it means) not and he don’t know what it means lol
Sounds nothing like him
You're singing quietly.... You're not kurt. Kurt sing from the top of his lungs.. And don't talk about subpop. And stop taking aderol. Not sure how to spell that drug name because I'm not on it.
He never said he’s Kurt, he even said he’s not the best. And no shit, nobody is like Kurt Cobain. That was just a stupid statement you said.
Ahahaha no one do this long term, unless you WANT to permanently fry your vocal chords. I know from experience. (Perma-fried my own voice.) It sounds romantic to have a permanently raspy voice, but when you are fully unable hit certain notes, you'll be disappointed.
Formally learn the process of using VOCAL COMPRESSION. Practice safely, and properly, to avoid permanent vocal chord damage.
Side note to content creator:
Sorry bro, you just didn't go over the warmup basics in this particular vid. If people jump directly in to fry screaming, they might unintentionally damage themselves. You aren't wrong here, you just missed a couple steps. Thank you for the free knowledge and content though!
I know nothing Yeah no... You’re dead wrong on that. Did Ronnie James Dio ruin his voice? How about Tim Ripper Owens? Obviously Kurt didn’t live long enough although I’m sure he would’ve had problems from drug use and so on.
If you want to talk about the greatness of the so called compression technique, which is more than likely going to cause you to strain and bow your vocal chords leaving you with a terrible and heavy sound, then go ahead.
Just make sure that you are cleaning off your chords after you’re done singing with lip bubbles or tongue trills.
I mean shit. Show me you’re technique I’ll let you know what else is going wrong.
@@patrickobrien85 thank you so much for responding to this comment XD
Nope, it only occurs when you push your voice or it hurts. I have screamed (more brutal than Kurt but in a different healthy way) for a bit and I can still hit my tenor C5
you sound like dying dog please dont try to imitate Kurt voice :/