2025 Lexus ES.. Buy It Before They Ruin It?

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  • Опубликовано: 25 дек 2024

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  • @MeynMotorGroup
    @MeynMotorGroup  6 месяцев назад +6

    See my 2024 Acura TLX Type S Review: ruclips.net/video/rE2MFsTDcLs/видео.html

  • @awanhassan
    @awanhassan 6 месяцев назад +23

    *Most* of the Uber cars in the UAE are ES hybrids as the fleet was initially standardised, until they let other brands in. But still on average when you call an Uber, you expect an ES. Smooth, comfortable, and quiet ride. As usual, thanks for the great video.

    • @MeynMotorGroup
      @MeynMotorGroup  6 месяцев назад +9

      Nice! These make for such luxurious ubers I'm glad they are being used commonly for that purpose in the UAE.

    • @tv321123
      @tv321123 6 месяцев назад

      And if your not dealing with inclimate weather like rain frequently, you don't notice the FWD architecture flaws.

  • @tonysterbenc
    @tonysterbenc Месяц назад +1

    I think you deserve a special shout-out for the title of this review. It sums up in six words why I got mine when I did.

  • @alanhumphrey4198
    @alanhumphrey4198 17 дней назад +4

    I have a 2017 ES350 smooth as butter but want to upgrade to newer model before V6 is discontinued..no hybrid for this guy.😊😊

  • @kimmcdaniel1495
    @kimmcdaniel1495 Месяц назад +2

    I have a Camry and just purchased a 2025 ES. Totally different cars to me. I got about 7.5% off. I didn't feel like walking away and coming back to fight for the 10% I know I could have gotten. I fooled around and fell in love with the interior color scheme and was afraid it would be gone. So I purchased it on the first day negotiating.

    • @alanhumphrey4198
      @alanhumphrey4198 17 дней назад +1

      What color inside and out??😊

    • @tonysterbenc
      @tonysterbenc 15 дней назад

      Sounds like you did the wise thing. You'll be glad you're driving what you like a lot longer than you'll miss the modest extra cash you may have left on the table.

    • @kimmcdaniel1495
      @kimmcdaniel1495 15 дней назад

      @@alanhumphrey4198 Exterior Cloudburst Gray, Interior Acorn with black trim and black headliner.

  • @regmatt
    @regmatt 6 месяцев назад +24

    The es is one of the best sedans i have driven , agreed it’s the luxury version of the camry , but totally different compared to camry . wish there was es 350 awd but they had the 250 awd toowhich is rav4 engine and not that great !!

    • @MeynMotorGroup
      @MeynMotorGroup  6 месяцев назад +2

      @@regmatt agreed ES is next level

    • @jujharsingh4458
      @jujharsingh4458 5 месяцев назад +6

      ES is based off Avalon and not Camry a common mistake everyone makes.

    • @MeynMotorGroup
      @MeynMotorGroup  5 месяцев назад +14

      @@jujharsingh4458 the common mistake everyone keeps making is they believe these vehicles are “based on each other” an ES is not an Avalon or a Camry these vehicles ride on the TNGA-K global architecture shared with many vehicles like Camry, Avalon, Highlander, Venza, ES, RX, TX, etc.

    • @2004cyrus
      @2004cyrus 5 месяцев назад

      @@jujharsingh4458wrong

    • @storyofmylife7080
      @storyofmylife7080 4 месяца назад +3

      It is not the luxury version of the Camry. Jesus you people are crazy man😂

  • @ijl05
    @ijl05 7 дней назад

    I currently drive a 2020 Acura TLX and interesting in trading in for 2025 Lexus ES 350. After test drive the vehicle, I like the roomier cabin and more comfortable, quiet ride. I was consider of getting a SUV due to option of four-wheel-vehicle and additional space, but I don't really need to space or utility and I also don't see myself paying nearly the same or more money when this vehicle surprisingly is not bad price despite like of AWD not available in V6 model. I test drove the new TLX and while is quite an upgrade for me, the lack of space and so-so touch pad was a deal breaker for me.

  • @Loachie90
    @Loachie90 6 месяцев назад +28

    I miss the GS

    • @MeynMotorGroup
      @MeynMotorGroup  5 месяцев назад +7

      @@Loachie90 one of their best products too bad no one in the States cares about performance

    • @Txcowboy80
      @Txcowboy80 5 месяцев назад +8

      I have a 2013 GS350, it only has 50k miles, garage kept, she will be going for another 15 + years. :)

    • @tomtom8786
      @tomtom8786 5 месяцев назад +3

      @@MeynMotorGroup i care about comfort. ES has plenty of great performace.no need for more

    • @jamieberry1813
      @jamieberry1813 4 месяца назад +1

      @@Txcowboy80same here.

  • @AC-yg9zf
    @AC-yg9zf 6 месяцев назад +2

    What would you choose with regards to comfort/driving balance. Lexus ES vs BMW 5 Series?

    • @nathanielross8232
      @nathanielross8232 5 месяцев назад +2

      No comparison. Apples to oranges. If you are going to keep a long time, Lexus is the obvious choice. BMW to lease and get out while still under warranty. With that said, the pricing is way different. BMW is much more expensive. The design is polarizing but that is subjective. I think the 2023 was much nicer, but to each their own. The ES is priced like the 3 series. That BMW lease is $1k per month. The ES is almost half that. In 10 years, you will still have your ES, while that BMW will be a distant memory. All depends on your age, finances, need for all wheel drive, need for spare tire ( never get a car without it, it will come back to bite you guaranteed), wants and desires.

    • @tonysterbenc
      @tonysterbenc 3 месяца назад +2

      For ride/handling balance, any German midsizer whips the ES. For value or for long-term ownership, the ES wins. The old rule still applies: Buy Japanese, lease German.

    • @fredyh357
      @fredyh357 21 день назад

      😂 bmw is one of the worst cars to own after the warranty period is up it’s definitely a cash cow not worth it at all go with the Lexus it will last for years

  • @salimrandall
    @salimrandall 5 месяцев назад +5

    It seems all cars are going hybrid. You have to scoop up any NA car while you have a chance.

    • @2004cyrus
      @2004cyrus 5 месяцев назад +2

      Thanks to our liberal presidents and their green climate goals and mandates. I hate all of that.

    • @MeynMotorGroup
      @MeynMotorGroup  5 месяцев назад +3

      @@salimrandall yup last chance at V6

  • @BradSD25
    @BradSD25 5 месяцев назад +4

    I was shocked that it didn’t get a redesign for ‘25. Virtually every outlet said there would be a complete overhaul. How did they all get it wrong ?

    • @MeynMotorGroup
      @MeynMotorGroup  5 месяцев назад +4

      @@BradSD25 they’re just trying to bait you for views and clicks. On this channel, I only cover official press releases from the manufacturers

    • @BradSD25
      @BradSD25 4 месяца назад +1

      Yes, I read the same too. Even trusted sources said there’d be a redesign. Was so hoping to see a redesign

    • @MeynMotorGroup
      @MeynMotorGroup  4 месяца назад +4

      @@BradSD25 so true but I think we can be confident in saying 2026 will be the year of the redesign and will be a hybrid similar to the 2025 Camry

    • @tonysterbenc
      @tonysterbenc 3 месяца назад +1

      Rumor has it they got delayed by a year because marketplace events drove them to an eleventh-hour change of strategy.

    • @BradSD25
      @BradSD25 3 месяца назад +1

      @@tonysterbenc that makes the most sense

  • @cosmo1505
    @cosmo1505 6 месяцев назад +6

    I'm going to wait for the 2026 ES redesign, then make my decision as to go with that or the RX350.

    • @tonysterbenc
      @tonysterbenc 3 месяца назад

      What do you value? Because it's already pretty apparent how they'll compare. The ES will be moderately but not radically restyled, probably moving toward an RX-style grille. Both will have similar infotainment. Neither will have V6 smoothness, and if you value that, waiting will be a mistake.

    • @cosmo1505
      @cosmo1505 3 месяца назад

      @@tonysterbenc I based my comment on a fresh new exterior styling, the elimination of those hideous Frankenstein neck bolts on the instrument panel, and keeping some of the functions out of the infotainment screen like the current ES. But having driven a sedan all my life, I decided to go with the advantages of an SUV and will go with the 2025 RX350.

    • @tonysterbenc
      @tonysterbenc 3 месяца назад +2

      @@cosmo1505 Sounds like you made the choice that's right for you. Enjoy your new luxury ride!

  • @hvnguyen510
    @hvnguyen510 5 месяцев назад +6

    Waiting on that next gen hybrid system in an ES

    • @mitch20003
      @mitch20003 5 месяцев назад +2

      I think next gen they are going full electric? if they are im not buying it

    • @JamaicanMeCrazy
      @JamaicanMeCrazy 2 месяца назад

      ​@@mitch20003doubt it

  • @christofonobrown3659
    @christofonobrown3659 6 месяцев назад +5

    Great vehicle, one of the last vehicles that you can buy today and drive for as many years as you would like.

    • @MeynMotorGroup
      @MeynMotorGroup  6 месяцев назад

      Yea you can buy it out if you want although nothing is perfect a viewer just commented saying his transmission took a dump at 40k miles

    • @christofonobrown3659
      @christofonobrown3659 4 месяца назад +3

      @@MeynMotorGroupthat would be the only one I’ve heard of. This drivetrain has proven robust overall. Still think it is last call for owners to purchase a new vehicle with a great track record over the long haul.

    • @tonysterbenc
      @tonysterbenc 3 месяца назад

      @@christofonobrown3659 I've heard the same thing, that the Aisin automatic seems to have a pretty solid track record.

  • @romany8125
    @romany8125 11 дней назад

    Did they start the android phone integration? Or is it still iPhone only?

  • @sst5688
    @sst5688 6 месяцев назад +7

    Honestly I own one of these. 2021 F sport. It’s rather problematic not even for a Lexus but for a car in general. My transmission had to be replaced at 40k miles bc it was so clunky the dealership was advised by Lexus to change it out. The interior trim, while made with really great materials especially considering the price class, is put together in a shoddy fashion. LOTSSSSSS of creaks and rattles most especially from the center console when you place your elbow on it and the door panels as well. They rattle when the music volume is up only 1/4 of the way to max. My right headlight started leaking water and needed a $4k whole headlight housing replacement. My gear shifter is about to fall apart- it is so loose and the button sticks everytime. My IS had none of these issues. That’s the difference of Kentucky made VS Japan made. The ES is made by Americans in Kentucky. IS still built in Japan where if they do a bad job they need to kick the bucket.- with that being said… it’s a fabulous sexy sedan with a smooth V6 that will run forever. But man I understand why they are taking ES production back to Japan

    • @vsevolodsemenov6786
      @vsevolodsemenov6786 6 месяцев назад +1

      ​​@@Rickster1965I had Avalon. The car lost transmission at 70 k, lost front shocks and struts at 80 k, got hole in gearbox. Seats were not very comfortable, by the way. Definitely, the car was made not in Japan.

    • @barbecuetechtips6024
      @barbecuetechtips6024 6 месяцев назад +1

      Every brand and model has a 🍋. You just got unlucky 🐈‍⬛ Just happens you got the most reliable car. Go play the lotto or gamble.

    • @vsevolodsemenov6786
      @vsevolodsemenov6786 6 месяцев назад +3

      @@barbecuetechtips6024 Maybe. Somehow, for example, I am unlucky often. It can be coffeemaker, stove, refrigerator or lawn mower.

    • @mikelowry5012
      @mikelowry5012 5 месяцев назад +1

      🤔 seems very solid to me I have a 22 premium

    • @sst5688
      @sst5688 5 месяцев назад

      @@mikelowry5012lucky you. I looked it up on Consumer Reports. All the issues I’ve had are the most commonly reported problems for this generation. Literally textbook. Luckily it’s Lexus so they quickly rectify the major issues without causing you grief. I still love the car it’s sexy and ultra smooth it’s just the creaks they haven’t rectified so I’ve learned to live with them. I actually gave the car to my mother a month ago she loves it. And I got a BMW bc the 3 series was named the most reliable car! lol that’s insane right?! A BMW!

  • @JamaicanMeCrazy
    @JamaicanMeCrazy 2 месяца назад

    The hybrid version is my favorite. Only time it falls short is on wot. Eve this not flooring it often.

  • @rmarth311r6
    @rmarth311r6 4 месяца назад

    Do you think the Nx hybrid is as refined and quite as the es300h?

  • @philipbaio2237
    @philipbaio2237 5 месяцев назад +1

    Can I do that with the LS LEXUS a payout lease, let me know that sounds pretty good

    • @MeynMotorGroup
      @MeynMotorGroup  5 месяцев назад +1

      Yea you can do one pay lease with Lexus where you cut the interest you pay on the lease considerably.
      You can also put down MSDs or a refundable deposit to lower the interest of the Lease

  • @johnvalle9575
    @johnvalle9575 6 месяцев назад +2

    any news on the "new" LS 500??

    • @MeynMotorGroup
      @MeynMotorGroup  6 месяцев назад +2

      @@johnvalle9575 nope not yet

    • @tonysterbenc
      @tonysterbenc 3 месяца назад

      I'd be very surprised if there's a non-EV ES sedan ever again.

  • @NGOEL15
    @NGOEL15 Месяц назад

    2025 ES 350 Vs 300h, both with Ultra Luxury package, which one would you recommend overall?

    • @MeynMotorGroup
      @MeynMotorGroup  Месяц назад +1

      300h just because it gets 40 mpg

    • @NGOEL15
      @NGOEL15 Месяц назад

      I am yet to test drive a 300h but hesitant as it might be noisy during acceleration, have you observed that in your tests?

    • @MeynMotorGroup
      @MeynMotorGroup  Месяц назад

      @@NGOEL15 no but if absolute engine refinement is what you’re seeking then 350 would be worth looking into

  • @barbecuetechtips6024
    @barbecuetechtips6024 6 месяцев назад +3

    Trying to buy a 2022 model year. First year refresh before they ruined the es by ditching the CD player, aux audio input and touchpad.

    • @MeynMotorGroup
      @MeynMotorGroup  6 месяцев назад +2

      @@barbecuetechtips6024 you don’t want the LS inspiration anymore?

    • @barbecuetechtips6024
      @barbecuetechtips6024 6 месяцев назад

      @@MeynMotorGroup They are around of course. But since I'll be driving, I don't know if the added cost is worth the hassle in fuel and maintenance cost.

    • @MeynMotorGroup
      @MeynMotorGroup  6 месяцев назад +2

      @@barbecuetechtips6024 yup LS is not necessary ES is perfect

    • @barbecuetechtips6024
      @barbecuetechtips6024 6 месяцев назад

      @@MeynMotorGroup plus at a given time since the ls inspiration was only 2020. There's one for sale every couple of months.
      Hell the es spec I want is the only one in the country.
      Ultra luxury fully loaded, matador red mica, palomino interior with walnut wood. I'm not looking forward to shipping a car enclosed from Virginia.
      But if I'm keeping it 10+ year's I think it'll be worth it.

  • @notsodelusional
    @notsodelusional 6 месяцев назад +1

    When they get the fifth generation hybrid system in the ES, it will be top notch. I hope they make it clearly superior to the Camry equivalent. Plus we’ll be able to get AWD.
    I have thought about grabbing a V6 ES before they end production.
    Related note: I think the people who got the GX before the redesign made a good decision.
    Excellent work as always!

    • @MeynMotorGroup
      @MeynMotorGroup  6 месяцев назад +1

      Yea you're right my friend the new hybrid drivetrain is pretty smooth and more powerful than what Lexus currently offers. I too hope it is far superior to what a camry feels like.
      2023 GX buyers are lucky indeed great vehicle truly a last of its kind. Really wanted one buy 4Runner was just far cheaper so had to go with that.
      Thanks again for your kind words and support!

    • @storyofmylife7080
      @storyofmylife7080 6 месяцев назад +1

      Why do you all keep saying this? There’s nothing about the ES that’s like a Camry. They are two totally different cars like literally

    • @aluisious
      @aluisious 4 месяца назад

      @@storyofmylife7080other than them both being fwd “mid” size sedans built in the same factory 🙄

    • @storyofmylife7080
      @storyofmylife7080 4 месяца назад

      @@aluisious Bro please educate yourself before commenting. Camry and Lexus are not built in the same factory. Lexus has its own factory as does Toyota. It’s a simple Google search. 😂

    • @tonysterbenc
      @tonysterbenc 3 месяца назад +1

      @@storyofmylife7080 They are both built in Lexington, Kentucky, but on separate assembly lines using different procedures (more rigorous for Lexus) by differently trained separate workforces.

  • @Excalabur50
    @Excalabur50 6 месяцев назад +2

    Very Nice!

  • @kjpraman991
    @kjpraman991 5 месяцев назад +1

    If the newer model comes the price of the latest ES sedans may suffer a fair price loss.

  • @Desertbiker617
    @Desertbiker617 4 месяца назад +4

    Last chance for V6 forever!

    • @drbcrb
      @drbcrb 2 месяца назад +1

      Very few 6 cyl cars anymore. Very few.

  • @EmME1993
    @EmME1993 6 месяцев назад

    I have been waiting to see new interior and exterior for the new Lexus ES and i was actually really excited but then this happen.

    • @2004cyrus
      @2004cyrus 5 месяцев назад

      What happened?

    • @EmME1993
      @EmME1993 5 месяцев назад

      @@2004cyrus No changes

  • @mrjackbagginz
    @mrjackbagginz 5 месяцев назад

    Wish they used es 3 litre v6 like the 2002 model,. If that engine had a hybrid lexus wouldve had made the most powerful car,.

  • @jujharsingh4458
    @jujharsingh4458 6 месяцев назад

    I have the 2020 ES 350, i am so tempted to update it bcos i know toyota is gonna sterilize the engine and i want the updated infotainment system.

    • @MeynMotorGroup
      @MeynMotorGroup  6 месяцев назад +2

      If you have good equity my friend you could justify it 😅

    • @barbecuetechtips6024
      @barbecuetechtips6024 6 месяцев назад

      Sounds like a terrible idea financially.

    • @jujharsingh4458
      @jujharsingh4458 6 месяцев назад +1

      Buying a car is always a bad financial decision.

    • @2004cyrus
      @2004cyrus 5 месяцев назад

      @@jujharsingh4458that’s for sure

  • @williamwebberjr8045
    @williamwebberjr8045 5 месяцев назад

    Going to check the campaign link

  • @tv321123
    @tv321123 6 месяцев назад +4

    55K for a FWD based car is wacky. with the Integra type S or the ES. It's a great car that is totally worth the 30-35K for a 3 year old off lease example. For 55K new for a ultra I can just get a Audi and a warranty.

    • @MeynMotorGroup
      @MeynMotorGroup  6 месяцев назад +4

      It's def a lot of money for sure I just think it's worth it for those who seek a flagship 6 figure experience to get this for half the money and maybe like $5k off with discounts and incentives

    • @tv321123
      @tv321123 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@MeynMotorGroup IMO 80ish% of a Flagship 6 figure experience 60-80% of time time depending on the weather. It's super smooth, quiet and comfy. It's hides it's FWD architecture well on a nice dry day. But as soon as it's windy it gets blown around on the highway just like my little TSX used to. As soon as it's raining those front wheel light right up trying to make a left turn. IMO Great used buy for ~ 30K for a off lease one I see them go for, not for a new one though, 55K for a FWD based car is crazy.

    • @barbecuetechtips6024
      @barbecuetechtips6024 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@tv321123noted! Avoid the wind or put San bags in the truck and on a roof rack for added weight and down force lmao 🤣
      I hate the feeling of getting blown around on the highway.

    • @tv321123
      @tv321123 6 месяцев назад +3

      @@barbecuetechtips6024 IME it's a symptom of being a FWD based chassis. I loved the ES Fsport I took home from work, I was considering trading my IS for it. All the way up till it was a rainy windy day; I was spinning tire all over the place just tooting around, and getting blown around on the highway/bridge like a kite. My lighter IS was stable as could be on a windy day, that ES was far from that. And that's been my personal experience throughout a couple of different cars; FWD based chassis have inherent down sides like that. There is a reason real top end luxury cars are RWD based.

    • @barbecuetechtips6024
      @barbecuetechtips6024 6 месяцев назад

      @@tv321123 I mean a f sport us flawed. It's fwd open dif lol

  • @Aniki1111
    @Aniki1111 6 месяцев назад +3

    I wish I could afford one of these but it is way out of my budget. Very Very nice cars. Maybe in 15 years lol.

    • @MeynMotorGroup
      @MeynMotorGroup  6 месяцев назад +1

      @@Aniki1111 yea it’s sad how there’s no real good lease deals on these but very nice cars for sure

    • @MartianHits
      @MartianHits 2 месяца назад

      Just buy a used one, I got a 2021 hybrid and it’s as good as new

  • @trivas
    @trivas 6 месяцев назад +1

    Great video! Would you recommend a 2022 ES350 FSport? Trying to get a used one instead of a new one and pay full price. Keep it up 👏🏼

    • @saiーツ
      @saiーツ 6 месяцев назад +2

      Im in the same boat except im looking for a '22 es300h ultra luxury. I like the f sport but the ultra luxury comes with a rear and side sunshades and has the brown interior that I really like. it also comes with the same active dampers that are on the f sport so i feel im not losing too much aside from styling

    • @saiーツ
      @saiーツ 6 месяцев назад +1

      also I had a friend that got an es250 last year and his dealer installed an LS-style grille so depending on the dealer they might be able to install the F Sport grille + wheels for an added cost

    • @MeynMotorGroup
      @MeynMotorGroup  6 месяцев назад +4

      @@trivas yes F Sport is good for 2022 and up I would only buy used if I was paying cash most clean F sports go for $35k-$40k
      New one with discounts will be about $47k with desirable features will have lower rates and lease programs tho

  • @BigdisplacementI6
    @BigdisplacementI6 5 месяцев назад

    ES is great for what it is. The hybrid is my pick but needs AWD. I love the way it handles but the ride for the Ultra Luxury trim is quite stiff. I would prefer it to be cushy soft and not feel the bumps. Canadian here. It needs softer springs to my liking. What do you think? ES is supposed to cater traditionally to Lincoln Town Car or older folks. It's lost that butter ride of yore :(

  • @combinedeffects4799
    @combinedeffects4799 4 месяца назад +2

    Not able to fold down the rear seats was the deal breaker for me.

    • @tonysterbenc
      @tonysterbenc 3 месяца назад +2

      Okay, but all ES's have had a structural reinforcing seatback brace rather than a fold-down rear seatback for over 30 years. So, the deal's been broken to you for a long, long time.

    • @lecahier
      @lecahier 3 месяца назад

      @@tonysterbencis that for speed or safety? Just curious

    • @tonysterbenc
      @tonysterbenc 3 месяца назад +2

      @@lecahier Neither, I think. More to add rigidity for lower noise, vibration and harshness and a feeling of solidity. They wanted a luxury-car feeling from family sedan bones.

  • @theodoreyoung8777
    @theodoreyoung8777 5 месяцев назад +1

    Yo my bro 🤝😎👍🏾👍🏾

    • @MeynMotorGroup
      @MeynMotorGroup  5 месяцев назад +1

      @@theodoreyoung8777 yes sir thanks for dropping in on this Lexus vid!

    • @theodoreyoung8777
      @theodoreyoung8777 5 месяцев назад

      @@MeynMotorGroup No problem 🤝😎

  • @immortal4942
    @immortal4942 5 месяцев назад +1

    i love my 2024 ES350. this V6 sounds great, i have a video, i went for the fsport design and not the fsport to get the softer springs and also saved a few grands. i prefer the dark chrome accents to the chrome in the luxury versions. the build quality is great and has an almost silent ride on the road. i’m also not a fan of the ML audio i noticed the standard pioneer had better midrange and bass audio, in fact they get two 6x9 door speakers which are massive. the factory base pioneer amplifier is also easy to replace if you ever want to upgrade. i do miss out on the triple beams tho which look amazing, but the bi Leds are some of the brightest lights i’ve seen.

    • @aluisious
      @aluisious 4 месяца назад

      No speaker is “6x9”

  • @350zlover2
    @350zlover2 5 месяцев назад +1

    The new RX is sexy!

  • @JimmyDeneus-e9k
    @JimmyDeneus-e9k 6 месяцев назад +2

    🤎🤎🤎

    • @MeynMotorGroup
      @MeynMotorGroup  6 месяцев назад +3

      Thank you my friend for your love and support!

  • @theodoreyoung8777
    @theodoreyoung8777 5 месяцев назад

    👊🏾👍🏾👍🏾

  • @Sean-sz7zo
    @Sean-sz7zo 6 месяцев назад

    Excavly the point. Iny opinon there os no longer , or perhaps never was, a reaosn thay a 100s thousands Euro car is justified when Lexus and others make this for this money.

  • @aluisious
    @aluisious 4 месяца назад

    You can’t fold down the rear seats? lol, disqualified

    • @tonysterbenc
      @tonysterbenc 3 месяца назад +3

      The ES has had a structural rear-seat brace rather than a fold-down seatback for over 30 years. They'll continue to not notice your absence from the showroom.