The only explanation I came up with is that these are all different Decepticons and Autobots, except for Bumblebee and Hot Rod. And that they just lazily copied and pasted old Transformer designs like Optimus Prime, Ironhide, Hound, Starscream, and Megatron without doing something that would actually explain this GIANT polt hole.
giant plot hole.... micheal bay just stopped care after transfomers 4 (because it was meant do end in transformers 3 but shit happens) so micheal bay was tired and wanted do end this quickly... so he just put as much as he can and didn't care about the story at this point...to be honest i am i dp understand why... people still put hate on him even now so.
Believe it or not, Transformers 3 was supposed to be the final film, but according to rumor, someone leaked the film’s ending and it was changed drastically.
@@leoorduna2199 DOTM novel/comic book adaptation was leaked so the ending in actual movie was changed...that doesn't make much sense and honestly I'd prefer the original "truce" ending instead of "good guys killed all the villains, the end"
Me too, they’re practically useless to the plot and don’t serve it in any way. Or I can just assume the autobots and decepticons in those paintings are other autobots and decepticons that look similar to Optimus, hound, etc
The paintings could've been cool, but they use the tranformers with the modern alt modes, Like Optimus prime with his 2007 robot mode in the MEDIEVAL ERA
@CaptainSoviet666 Yeah, it's his DOTM form, which was created to combat his chest being pierced again, like how it was in ROTF. Perhaps the Autobots time travelled in-between TF 3 and TF 4
It’s incredible hilarious that the one movie that wanted to set up a timeline and backstory ended up completely ruining the already established backstory and timeline
I think it's a bit ridiculous to see Ironhide's poster in Transformers history, it makes me think maybe they often made visits to Earth before meeting Sam😂
This is why the last 2 are some of my least favorite films ever. They actively ruin the first 3 which I love just by existing. I just pretend they aren’t canon.
Same, to this day I've only seen TLK once and I'm actually quite fine with it. I'll say it whenever I can but DotM should've been the last of the Bay films because it really fell off after AoE.
@@squeebosh8525 yeah dotm is the last movie for me personally. I have both aoe and tlk although aoe does have some redeeming things in it. Tlk is straight trash with not a single redeeming aspect
Really i prefer the earth was just another planet the transformers fell on by accident it gives more meaning of how regular nonspecial people can make a change
I like how everything that is revealed in this scene is immediately forgotten about, never mentioned again throughout the rest of the movie, and have no impact on the overall plot.
Did you know why optimus got his chest upgraded in tf dark of the moon, the reason why is because in tf revenge of the fallen optimus got the matrix of leadership so he had to keep it safe so he upgraded his to keep it safe
@EmmanuelJames-tq7iv I think the matrix is actually like in the middle of his torso. Like at the line that separates his chest and abdomen. I could be wrong. Either way, I'd say it's to protect both him AND the matrix. Also fairly certain Optimus isn't immortal. Just really strong.
@EmmanuelJames-tq7iv i have proof my theory is correct,before optimus got his chest upgraded his chest was not straight but when he got it upgraded his chest was straight as it is like a safe for the matrix
Because this movie was the start of a cinematic universe/multiverse but bayverse ended before they could release the 6th movie which would of been 2019
the last night pretty much killed the franchise, a film so bad that it killed the Bayverse and resulted in BumbleBee and Rise of the beast flopping (well bumblebee wasn't necessarily a flop but it did made far less money compared to the bay films which angered the studio) The last Knight's legacy will always hunt the live action series till the end of time
I watched a video that successfully connected everything together to create a Lore that's a million times better than the lore created with actual intentions, so now I look at the Bayverse Transformers lore differently and I'm not confused
The funny thing is, Transformers being a secret part of humanity's story, standing vigil as a silent guardian, hidden in plain sight, for the whole of the 1900s is ACTUALLY a really cool idea. BUT, not if that story undermines LITERALLY EVERY OTHER MOVIE IN THE SERIES... If AoE/TLK were a hard reboot of the franchise rather than a soft reboot, this could have worked SO well. Instead, it was undone by the legendary incompetence of everyone involved.
It would make sense for Transformers to be able to disguise themselves as vehicles during the industrial revolution but seeing Optimus and the rest of the gang in different time periods breaks what was created in the first live adaptation.
You know. Also. Optimus was fighting for the British. While hound and iron hide fought for the opposite side. The American and French…. Why? Why would they fight on opposite sides of war?
@@PoIarisPrime because in transformers 2007 it was explained the allspark created the cybertronians but in aoe they explained aliens created them, also transformers dotm brings a good conclusion to the trilogy
@@CHEESY_SOUNDW4VE ohhh that's what u meant by that my bad, thought u meant something else sorry Anyways, AOE was needed because even tho the all spark gave the transformers life, it never gave them an actual body, transformium did. That was always unexplained until AOE where we found out what it was, which solved a plot hole
Having the autobots fight nazis was just a stupid idea especially wen the other movies always went on about the “secret history “ about transformers then not to mention about the fact autobots dont kill humans yet you have bumble bee blasting the shit out of them and then also contradicts the 1st movie with how certain autobots never came to earth till that time
DOTM was still at least believable with its alt-history since it took a good spin on actual events The ones in TLK just seem to be there for no reason other than to try to tie in that cybertronians were with the knights of the round table
what if in the next movie the only way to defeat unicron was to go back in time to all these different events and because how "time works"(I guess lol) it would have already happened, i dunno something i like to think about, thanks for reading, have an awesome one
Somehow it can make sense only for bumblebee because at the beginning of the franchise we don't know exactly how long B was on earth, but they could make references about Jetfire . I agree tho about how many times they changed transformers origins tho.
I love that the Bayverse has plotholes in pretty much every scene but the fanbase somehow keeps closing them , with stuff from the movies that even the writters didnt think to connect
Also in one of the transformer movies they are already cars on cybertron but in another one when prime and some of his crew crash to earth they don’t have the car skins yet
As for all of that stuff in 'TF 5: TLK' about Autobots and Decepticons from the prior 4 films having been on Earth in the 1940s and beforehand, it could easily be established that Edmund Burton made it all up & fabricated those related objects seen in that room in his mansion out of boredom, but due to his old age, he ended up believing that it was all true and Cogman didn't correct Edmund, because he found it amusing. Also, it's worth mentioning that in 'TF 5: TLK', when Edmund said that he knew Bumblebee when he was a kid, Bumblebee had no idea what he was talking about, and when Cade Yeager tried to encourage 'Bee by mentioning 'Bee's supposed days as "ZB-7" during World War 2, 'Bee seemed to have no idea what he was talking about. The people who claim that 'Bumblebee' and 'TF: ROTB' aren't prequels to 'Transformers'[2007] lack imagination, and somehow fail to either realize or remember that 'Bumblebee' was made with the intention of it being a prequel to 'Transformers'[2007]! They even used Bobby Bolivia's speech about cars & their owners in the 1st trailer for 'Bumblebee'! If all of that wasn't enough, the motion comic short film 'Sector 7 Adventures: Battle At Half Dome' absolutely solidifies the fact that 'Bumblebee' is a prequel to 'Transformers'[2007]! Surely by the end of the sequel to 'TF: ROTB', the Autobots(except for Bumblebee, of course) are somehow gonna leave Earth. Either the creative team has simply de-canonized 'TF 5: TLK' or there's going to be a time travel explanation for why Unicron wasn't the Earth's core in 'TF: ROTB'. Maybe after 'TF: ROTB', Unicron wound up getting sucked into a black hole that sent him billions of years into the past, and then, the Earth wound up being formed around him.
That particular scene was a set up for time travel in future movies. It is based on the G-1 episode where some Autobots and some of the Decepticons traveled back in time. (I forgot what happened to get them there. I know Spike and Carly were also envolced in this.) and ended up in a major Historical Event in Medievel times. It would have probbaly led to his version of a Bumble Bee movie in World War Two. Signed-Richard.
I can reconcile the continuity issues in 1-4. 5 just chucks a match on logical continuity and laughs while it burns. The reason 1-4 can work with a few mental gymnastics and contortions is because it involved characters we were only just introduced to in each subsequent film. Megatron could definitely had a three part plan involving the All-Spark, the Fallen and Sentinel Prime...maybe thinking if one failed the next most likely one could be resumed. But The Last Knight starts retconning things involving characters we'd seen in ALL THE PREVIOUS FILMS and it's utter madness. Add to that, Optimus reaching Cybertron and then acting like he doesn't know what happened to it even though he SAW IT it happen in Dark of the Moon. It's a disaster. If theyd axed all the Witwiccan crap and opened the film with a scene showing Megatron, the Fallen and Sentinel Prime together all conspiring the events to come it would work..
I don't even remember the plot to these movies 3/4 of the way through the movie itself. But I'll still go watch them. If you're there for the writing you're there for the wrong reason.
Everything in the Bayverse worked in some way until TLK. ‘07 had Megatron in ice, which led to the Hoover Dam being built, which made sense. RotF had the 13 Primes be on Earth a couple thousand years ago and like a couple old Decepticon Seekers show up here and there which didn’t conflict much with the main robot cast and kinda worked, DOTM had the Ark crash into the Moon, which was obviously used as a plot point but still worked in-universe. AOE had the Quintessons(?) terraform Earth a little bit to make the cybertronians, which conflicted with ‘07 but still made sense in a way. TLK ruined it all
Thats the problem with movie franchises. They make a movie where allegedly, the matter at hand is new to humans, but the more they go on, the more that thing supposedly was there already. They should establish that this stuff was already happening
They’ve never actually stated it was the first time they came to earth in the first movie, the second movie confirms transformers came beforehand and stayed instead of going home so it’s not hard to see that some may have been present during those times and just either traveled back to cybertron or somewhere else in the galaxy depending on when the war took place. So it’s not a massive plot hole
Seeing Bumblebee in WWII when real fans should know that he landed on Earth in the early 2000's looking for the Allspark always bugged the fuck out of me!
Everybody talking about "forgot Bayverse" or "just focus on reboot" and here i am, thinking about a new "Transformers 5" for contuining the Bayverse story, even without Bay in real.
The idea of the Witwickens is good but definitely not how all famous people knew them. Then there's a cut off when Autobots came to Earth. Hmm, maybe late 1800's. Except for Hot Rod. My impression is he's part of the Witwickens like Cogman. With Cybertron being a war zone, I say the return home didn't go so well. Those on board were the five in '07. They forgot about Earth. As for Drift, and Hound, the same could apply but much earlier or they just don't talk about it. I know it's unpopular to think about other ways than it doesn't make sense but I think it's fun to think how it could make sense ...until people get angry I'm not saying Bayverse is shitverse.
Focus, consistency, and keeping track of continuity are three of the most important elements in storytelling. And the creators did not do a good job with either.
In the hot rod foto, you can see he is in his new Lamborghini sintenario robot design, which didn't even exist in his time when he crash landed on Earth
Btw, Transformers are still my favorite movies
Do you guys have any good explanation or is this just a GIANT PLOT HOLE😂?
The only explanation I came up with is that these are all different Decepticons and Autobots, except for Bumblebee and Hot Rod. And that they just lazily copied and pasted old Transformer designs like Optimus Prime, Ironhide, Hound, Starscream, and Megatron without doing something that would actually explain this GIANT polt hole.
@@SgtAJ218 wow. That's actually not bad
giant plot hole.... micheal bay just stopped care after transfomers 4 (because it was meant do end in transformers 3 but shit happens) so micheal bay was tired and wanted do end this quickly... so he just put as much as he can and didn't care about the story at this point...to be honest i am i dp understand why... people still put hate on him even now so.
@@MrBeePrime thanks. I'd admit my explanation isn't perfect, but it's the only explanation I can come up with based on what we know.
They’ve always existed…
Done!
Honestly it should've shown the Autobots explaining cybertronian history more.
That’s why I love TFP so much
I'm the 1000 man like ur comment 🥰
@@Louiezito143 thanks I appreciate that, man.
Ah but you see Michael Bay doesn't give a fuck, so their hands were a little tied
@@ursidae97 obviously, he said it multiple times after 3
That long ass exposition scene was where continuity went to die
The fact this is where it started dying shows the first 4 really didn't have much issues at all
"logic has left the building" - literally a quote from the movie
It's like they realized having knights involved was making the chronology even more absurd and just went "shit, why not go balls deep into this"
@@PoIarisPrime idk man one of the characters in age of extinction being a chomo is fucked
@@MisterSandmanAU I'm not talking about the humans lol. Those parts were terrible.
That's why TF3 hit different with the opening when we actually saw more of Cybertron
Believe it or not, Transformers 3 was supposed to be the final film, but according to rumor, someone leaked the film’s ending and it was changed drastically.
@@leoorduna2199 DOTM novel/comic book adaptation was leaked so the ending in actual movie was changed...that doesn't make much sense and honestly I'd prefer the original "truce" ending instead of "good guys killed all the villains, the end"
@@how1tzer12Honestly I at least wanted to hear Megatrons offer for truce, lol
@@leoorduna2199 They changed it to 8 but since Bay left, the entirety of Bayverse Transformers died off
Hope to take, but I think imo tf4 in my fav out of the 5 movies
I personally just chose to ignore them
Exactly, not even that deep.
Me too, they’re practically useless to the plot and don’t serve it in any way. Or I can just assume the autobots and decepticons in those paintings are other autobots and decepticons that look similar to Optimus, hound, etc
@@jermiahahall6609 Only an autobot sympathizer would say this.
Damn this Michael Bay for Condradicting thier live action debuts as since 2007 anyway!
Facts
The paintings could've been cool, but they use the tranformers with the modern alt modes, Like Optimus prime with his 2007 robot mode in the MEDIEVAL ERA
Ikr
2011*
@@ender01o66 bro's knowledge from kindergarten
@SoundwaveSuperion he's right, his chest resembles the dark of the moon just covered with a lion looking chest
@CaptainSoviet666 Yeah, it's his DOTM form, which was created to combat his chest being pierced again, like how it was in ROTF.
Perhaps the Autobots time travelled in-between TF 3 and TF 4
imagine seeing them landing on eartg in tf 1 then they were just here the whole time
The whole time
It’s incredible hilarious that the one movie that wanted to set up a timeline and backstory ended up completely ruining the already established backstory and timeline
My guess is they tried to reboot the franchise but didn’t care too muhh ch
Transformers last knight killed the franchise fr fucked up everything and left us with a lot of plot holes
Atleast we got some epic scenes
Last Knight killed the franchise but bumblebee movie saved it
Oh yeah can you tell me all of that detail
I like that 1 part of TLK where Megatron negotiates his crew. Too bad those Decepticons he recruited aren’t the ones we cared about.
@@蓝色小樽 Nitro Zeus was still cool.
the fact in one of the photos hot rod still has his lambo mode
It was supposed to have time travel, but they totally threw that idea out the window
I think it's a bit ridiculous to see Ironhide's poster in Transformers history, it makes me think maybe they often made visits to Earth before meeting Sam😂
I love the bayverse
And its my favourite trilogy
But the story just doesnt add up or make sense.
There’s 5 Bayverse movies that’s not a trilogy
@@toxicchatman8975 they're obviously not including the last 2 moron
@@toxicchatman8975 oh my bad bro
Thanks for telling me
@@toxicchatman8975 it's better as a trilogy tbh, age of extinction is just a spin-off movie and the last knight isn't canon
@@Squishy-Balls head Canon is super important when you know some wayyyy too off
This is why the last 2 are some of my least favorite films ever. They actively ruin the first 3 which I love just by existing. I just pretend they aren’t canon.
Same
Same, to this day I've only seen TLK once and I'm actually quite fine with it. I'll say it whenever I can but DotM should've been the last of the Bay films because it really fell off after AoE.
@@squeebosh8525 yeah dotm is the last movie for me personally. I have both aoe and tlk although aoe does have some redeeming things in it. Tlk is straight trash with not a single redeeming aspect
@@squeebosh8525DOTM was the last until Paramount said “wait we need more of this it makes us big money”
That scene alone made me nearly walk out on it in theaters
Fr??😂😂😂😂
Really i prefer the earth was just another planet the transformers fell on by accident it gives more meaning of how regular nonspecial people can make a change
I like how everything that is revealed in this scene is immediately forgotten about, never mentioned again throughout the rest of the movie, and have no impact on the overall plot.
Did you know why optimus got his chest upgraded in tf dark of the moon, the reason why is because in tf revenge of the fallen optimus got the matrix of leadership so he had to keep it safe so he upgraded his to keep it safe
He did that to look cool 🗿
@EmmanuelJames-tq7iv ...In order to protect the matrix.
No, that upgrade was so his armor wouldn't be easily penetrated after what Megatron did to him in the forest fight.
@EmmanuelJames-tq7iv I think the matrix is actually like in the middle of his torso. Like at the line that separates his chest and abdomen. I could be wrong. Either way, I'd say it's to protect both him AND the matrix. Also fairly certain Optimus isn't immortal. Just really strong.
@EmmanuelJames-tq7iv i have proof my theory is correct,before optimus got his chest upgraded his chest was not straight but when he got it upgraded his chest was straight as it is like a safe for the matrix
Optimus prime turning into a cannon from the 1700s is hella wild
Then imagine how big that cannon was if optimus made an alt mode out of it😅
Because this movie was the start of a cinematic universe/multiverse but bayverse ended before they could release the 6th movie which would of been 2019
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Bumblebee and Beasts are prequels to TF2007, Beasts even mentions the multiverse and time travel.
@@jimbosolo9667 oh snap u might be on to something here 😭
@@jimbosolo9667 Bumblebee is sadly a reboot
@@jimbosolo9667they are in different continuities
the last night pretty much killed the franchise, a film so bad that it killed the Bayverse and resulted in BumbleBee and Rise of the beast flopping (well bumblebee wasn't necessarily a flop but it did made far less money compared to the bay films which angered the studio)
The last Knight's legacy will always hunt the live action series till the end of time
I watched a video that successfully connected everything together to create a Lore that's a million times better than the lore created with actual intentions, so now I look at the Bayverse Transformers lore differently and I'm not confused
Was It learning to love Michael bays transformers??
@@lokan_kuru8721 yes, yes it is exactly that
@@ReoGojira it's an amazing video, definitely autobot propaganda 😂 😂
@@ReoGojira Where is this video?
@@JmcEsh ruclips.net/video/zVVSl9wtToc/видео.htmlsi=zgdx3O5mXHgdtE8K
We only go by the original trilogy bayformers anything after that is out the window
The funny thing is, Transformers being a secret part of humanity's story, standing vigil as a silent guardian, hidden in plain sight, for the whole of the 1900s is ACTUALLY a really cool idea. BUT, not if that story undermines LITERALLY EVERY OTHER MOVIE IN THE SERIES... If AoE/TLK were a hard reboot of the franchise rather than a soft reboot, this could have worked SO well. Instead, it was undone by the legendary incompetence of everyone involved.
The Bay Transformers movies already had a serious continuity problem, this scene alone was the last nail in the coffin
It would make sense for Transformers to be able to disguise themselves as vehicles during the industrial revolution but seeing Optimus and the rest of the gang in different time periods breaks what was created in the first live adaptation.
You know. Also. Optimus was fighting for the British. While hound and iron hide fought for the opposite side. The American and French….
Why? Why would they fight on opposite sides of war?
And also, FOKKER DR-1 Starscream working for Nazis
I think this is a alternate transformers universe
did they really put HotRod with lamborghini centenario armor in a historic picture?💀💀💀💀💀
This is why I dont consider tlk or aoe canon
Aoe could be canon because the plot was fun but barricade coming back after being killed in dotm made no sense
How is AOE not canon that is a terrible opinion ☠️
@@PoIarisPrime because in transformers 2007 it was explained the allspark created the cybertronians but in aoe they explained aliens created them, also transformers dotm brings a good conclusion to the trilogy
@@CHEESY_SOUNDW4VE ohhh that's what u meant by that my bad, thought u meant something else sorry
Anyways, AOE was needed because even tho the all spark gave the transformers life, it never gave them an actual body, transformium did. That was always unexplained until AOE where we found out what it was, which solved a plot hole
Same
The Bayverse Transformer designs are sick, they need a reboot on the story though.
Having the autobots fight nazis was just a stupid idea especially wen the other movies always went on about the “secret history “ about transformers then not to mention about the fact autobots dont kill humans yet you have bumble bee blasting the shit out of them and then also contradicts the 1st movie with how certain autobots never came to earth till that time
As a Bayverse Fan, this scene was the reason I gave up with this movie and the universe as a whole
DOTM was still at least believable with its alt-history since it took a good spin on actual events
The ones in TLK just seem to be there for no reason other than to try to tie in that cybertronians were with the knights of the round table
what if in the next movie the only way to defeat unicron was to go back in time to all these different events and because how "time works"(I guess lol) it would have already happened, i dunno something i like to think about, thanks for reading, have an awesome one
I have always been wandering about this
I like to believe their different transformers with similar husks as other autobots, just like how some deceptions look the same
Run Sam😢
That red Optimus prime card in that one picture looks like that April Fools Day character called malware prime
I totally agree with you in transformers 1 you can see optimus and other autobots coming to earth and its kinda fake that they fought in past history
Somehow it can make sense only for bumblebee because at the beginning of the franchise we don't know exactly how long B was on earth, but they could make references about Jetfire . I agree tho about how many times they changed transformers origins tho.
1-3 History worked, after 4 it was like, why change it? Then 5 was just like "we're not even trying anymore"
I didn't make sense out of bayverse. Maybe that's y I enjoyed so damn much. What an adventure
Bumblebee in WW2 scene is wild asf
Doesn't have to be good and make sense to be FRIKEN awesome
Then: "We learned your languages from the world wide web."
Now: "we've been here for hundreds of years. Guess how we learned your languages."
Don't forget my boy bulldog who fight in war
Hot Rod and Bumblebee being on Earth is also a retcon in itself.
I love that the Bayverse has plotholes in pretty much every scene but the fanbase somehow keeps closing them , with stuff from the movies that even the writters didnt think to connect
Bay was like ,,if we're going down then we do it with a bang"
Also in one of the transformer movies they are already cars on cybertron but in another one when prime and some of his crew crash to earth they don’t have the car skins yet
As for all of that stuff in 'TF 5: TLK' about Autobots and Decepticons from the prior 4 films having been on Earth in the 1940s and beforehand, it could easily be established that Edmund Burton made it all up & fabricated those related objects seen in that room in his mansion out of boredom, but due to his old age, he ended up believing that it was all true and Cogman didn't correct Edmund, because he found it amusing. Also, it's worth mentioning that in 'TF 5: TLK', when Edmund said that he knew Bumblebee when he was a kid, Bumblebee had no idea what he was talking about, and when Cade Yeager tried to encourage 'Bee by mentioning 'Bee's supposed days as "ZB-7" during World War 2, 'Bee seemed to have no idea what he was talking about.
The people who claim that 'Bumblebee' and 'TF: ROTB' aren't prequels to 'Transformers'[2007] lack imagination, and somehow fail to either realize or remember that 'Bumblebee' was made with the intention of it being a prequel to 'Transformers'[2007]! They even used Bobby Bolivia's speech about cars & their owners in the 1st trailer for 'Bumblebee'! If all of that wasn't enough, the motion comic short film 'Sector 7 Adventures: Battle At Half Dome' absolutely solidifies the fact that 'Bumblebee' is a prequel to 'Transformers'[2007]! Surely by the end of the sequel to 'TF: ROTB', the Autobots(except for Bumblebee, of course) are somehow gonna leave Earth. Either the creative team has simply de-canonized 'TF 5: TLK' or there's going to be a time travel explanation for why Unicron wasn't the Earth's core in 'TF: ROTB'. Maybe after 'TF: ROTB', Unicron wound up getting sucked into a black hole that sent him billions of years into the past, and then, the Earth wound up being formed around him.
Yup, this exact scene killed the bayverse there is no recovering except if they retcon this entire movie.
I felt the scene work. It show how long the battle for Earth has been fought for years. But then it also work because of the first 3 movies
That could be explained with hypothetical time travels
That particular scene was a set up for time travel in future movies. It is based on the G-1 episode where some Autobots and some of the Decepticons traveled back in time. (I forgot what happened to get them there. I know Spike and Carly were also envolced in this.) and ended up in a major Historical Event in Medievel times. It would have probbaly led to his version of a Bumble Bee movie in World War Two. Signed-Richard.
I can reconcile the continuity issues in 1-4. 5 just chucks a match on logical continuity and laughs while it burns. The reason 1-4 can work with a few mental gymnastics and contortions is because it involved characters we were only just introduced to in each subsequent film. Megatron could definitely had a three part plan involving the All-Spark, the Fallen and Sentinel Prime...maybe thinking if one failed the next most likely one could be resumed. But The Last Knight starts retconning things involving characters we'd seen in ALL THE PREVIOUS FILMS and it's utter madness. Add to that, Optimus reaching Cybertron and then acting like he doesn't know what happened to it even though he SAW IT it happen in Dark of the Moon. It's a disaster. If theyd axed all the Witwiccan crap and opened the film with a scene showing Megatron, the Fallen and Sentinel Prime together all conspiring the events to come it would work..
I still like the Last Knight over Dark of the Moon
All Cybertronians: colonizing Earth and start screwing history
the thing i dislike is that cybertron in TF5 was just like 4 times the size of the moon while in TF3 it was clearly multiple times the size of earth
The first three films worked great with all the lore and history added into them.
This is the only major continuity retcon. Because since optimus was there he would have to be in his protoform form.
I don't even remember the plot to these movies 3/4 of the way through the movie itself. But I'll still go watch them. If you're there for the writing you're there for the wrong reason.
I personally thought it was time travel and that it was linked to a film that would’ve came out of tlk sequels weren’t cancelled
I' rewriting that for my transformers series.
TRANSFORMERS WILL NEVER BE DESTROYED.
Everything in the Bayverse worked in some way until TLK. ‘07 had Megatron in ice, which led to the Hoover Dam being built, which made sense. RotF had the 13 Primes be on Earth a couple thousand years ago and like a couple old Decepticon Seekers show up here and there which didn’t conflict much with the main robot cast and kinda worked, DOTM had the Ark crash into the Moon, which was obviously used as a plot point but still worked in-universe. AOE had the Quintessons(?) terraform Earth a little bit to make the cybertronians, which conflicted with ‘07 but still made sense in a way. TLK ruined it all
Dang
This scene was so insignificant i forgot is was there
1, 2 and 3 kept a consistent story, 4 and 5 ruined what 1, 2 and 3 established
Nice opinion but unfortunately not entirely true for 4
love to see hot rod lambo on 1901😂
Thats the problem with movie franchises. They make a movie where allegedly, the matter at hand is new to humans, but the more they go on, the more that thing supposedly was there already. They should establish that this stuff was already happening
I believe that that bumblebee lile bot was actually Cliffjumper
They’ve never actually stated it was the first time they came to earth in the first movie, the second movie confirms transformers came beforehand and stayed instead of going home so it’s not hard to see that some may have been present during those times and just either traveled back to cybertron or somewhere else in the galaxy depending on when the war took place. So it’s not a massive plot hole
I choose to see the transformers movies as a trilogy starting with Bumblebee, then Rise of the beasts, and ending with Transformers 2007.
The scene that destroyed the Bayverse films for me, was the ending of Dark of the Moon.
The movies should explain how the transformers gave birth to the cybertruck!
The continuity issues have had been a thing in the Bayverse; this one is all up in your face
If Bumblebee the movie isn’t cannon then the WW2 thing makes sense but in Bumblebee he gets to earth in the 80’s
Nothing makes sence past TF2
I heard than they initially intended for time travel to be in the movie but then changed it
Seeing Bumblebee in WWII when real fans should know that he landed on Earth in the early 2000's looking for the Allspark always bugged the fuck out of me!
Yeah I was kind of bummed about that when I saw it. They should have left that out tbh but I still love the movies regardless.
It went downhill when they made transformers medievil. Optimus was a ninja with a sword…… that killed it
It’s still possible they can make a ship and go and come and help in secret as they wish
Last knight was so bizarre and insane it ended the bay verse and got rebooted
Yeah. Literally, Hot Rod got his lambo during WW2 💀
Everybody talking about "forgot Bayverse" or "just focus on reboot" and here i am, thinking about a new "Transformers 5" for contuining the Bayverse story, even without Bay in real.
The idea of the Witwickens is good but definitely not how all famous people knew them. Then there's a cut off when Autobots came to Earth. Hmm, maybe late 1800's. Except for Hot Rod. My impression is he's part of the Witwickens like Cogman. With Cybertron being a war zone, I say the return home didn't go so well. Those on board were the five in '07. They forgot about Earth. As for Drift, and Hound, the same could apply but much earlier or they just don't talk about it. I know it's unpopular to think about other ways than it doesn't make sense but I think it's fun to think how it could make sense ...until people get angry I'm not saying Bayverse is shitverse.
Let's just say the old man is crazy
It was destroyed long before that scene for me. My death knell was when they did the dumb twin jar-jar bots in the second one.
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Fr they keep changing it like wtf should we believe
My theory is that those cybertronian are some survivor that landed from earth like how jet fire did or how the fallen knows Earth
Michael "Giant PLOT HOLE" Bay!
Focus, consistency, and keeping track of continuity are three of the most important elements in storytelling. And the creators did not do a good job with either.
I think there was supposed to be some sort of time traveling storyline, but it got kicked
The whole Michael Bay Transformers was treated like the G1 TV series story line.
In the hot rod foto, you can see he is in his new Lamborghini sintenario robot design, which didn't even exist in his time when he crash landed on Earth
It feels like making the half story of the first one seems canon and non canon then from second onwards is canon
Theory: the government never want its people to know
Makes a lot of sense to me.