That's just it. "Endgame" felt like the end. What comes next when you're ending your biggest heroes? Now it feels like... Finishing up the side quests and collecting tokens to get 100% completion.
Ironman and capt America were b list marvel heroes 20 years ago. They have no excuse for fumbling everything after they bought the rights from the fox movjes
@@teejayman215 Regardless, when the MCU started they made Iron Man, Captain America and Thor their big names (not being able to use Spider-man, X-Men and F4), retire them and you leave us with... Thor... Kinda? A "new" CA in Falcon? We have a Spider-man but most ot his story/arc has been scribbled into the margins so... Who do we latch onto? They bungled the transition by not giving us anyone to be behind.
Now they need to basically start over and build to a new climax. That's why I never understood why people expected Avengers type numbers. Nope we are back to 400M-800M box office while they build to a new climax.
Also, they didn't handle Thor correctly. He should have been on the same level of Iron Man and Capt. America. The 3 characters had their own series of films.
I honestly prefer a more serious thor compared to the parody of himself they made out of him. The dark world failed because it had a weak villain, but i liked it better than ragnarok or love and thunder. I mean if you made love and thunder into a serious film that didn’t crap out mindless jokes every 5mins it would have been epic.
@@patrickprucha5522 you guys forget about the Hulk. Hulk is one of the originals, in the comics he comes first then captain America he deserved better
yes disney only succeed thanks to movies that were made before marvel is bought by disney in 2012, and thats why it go on until endgame thanks to old characters , but after old pre-disney characters r gone, disneymarvel become nothing .
Tbf, Thanos' plan actually had benefits as the world would've been a better place for a few centuries since there would've been ample resources for everyone. The only problem with it was that many innocents and loved ones were lost. Coming to disney, nah, no benefits.
so true, disney+ has ruined the structure of the next/current phases because of all the series imo. Now you have to watch several series that are each over 4 hours in length, compared to single films that were 2hrs at most. All that coupled with the fact the series are now so integral to the plot compared to how Agents of Shield was for example, yet the films have little real crossover like this video explained, it showing that they are really struggling to put the next phases together.
The tv shows are amazing, Loki is absolutely brilliant, season 2 didn't hit but season 1 was a master piece. Wanda vision was equally as brilliant and well made..
To be honest season 1 was good, but did lack action, but the build up to the end was really well done and set up the second season season 2 was good, but it was a bit too much at times, but gave us a decisive ending for Loki's story... Avengers would have been fine if they had worked on other movies like 1 - not making a proper plan Black Panther 2 2 - why was Thor seeming more like a secondary character in his movie, why is Jane a better Thor than Thor for certain parts of that movie 3 - the Marvels, why was the villain so silly 4 - etc... etc... No true evil villains Heroes are made goofy or stupid at random so others can stand out Some heroes are made too perfect so there is no way to write an actual threat Avengers 1 - Save the world - from Loki and Alien Invasion Avengers 2 - Save the world - from Ultron and Machines Avengers 3 Infinity War - Save the Universe - from Thanos and his children Avengers 4 End Game - Time Travel - save the universe - from Thanos and his children Avengers Infinity War and Endgame are basically just one large movie with two parts... but where do you go from there... 1 - Save the world ---> Save the universe ---> Save the multiverse?? 2 - Thor is looking more senile than Odin, Hulk is just chilling, Captain America retired, Iron Man retired, Black Widow and Hawk Eye are regular people, they are not built for universal saving, Guardians is more or less at their end game... 3 - Why did they not start prepping other movies or investing in another hit like Iron Man was... companies take risks, hit big... and forget that over time risks must always be taken, or eventually you get left with nothing as most progress will get caught up to or surpassed if you do not keep pushing...
Some of the shows are decent, Loki is honestly really good and I liked WandaVision. But I agree, they just kept making more and more shows and not all of them were great. I didn’t watch the marvels because I never had an interest in ms marvel. Maybe if it was a movie under two hours but not a whole season
After thanos, they should have established the next big threat well enough so that all the other movies could point towards one looming all out fight again. One of the many issues is that kang wasn’t well known, so people like myself lost interest. After endgame, I expected the next villain to step in would be galactus or dormmamu. I didn’t even know who kang was.
Me too, ive been a big fan of ironman since the first time i saw it on cinemas in 2008, but when they killed ironman, fock that sheet, i aint give a fock about other mcu characters
Only one word to describe the downfall of Marvel... "Greed". Greedy shareholders wanting more profit, a greedy streaming platform pushing for more content and greedy viewers wanting the next big thing. Sadly, it seems Kevin Feige is either compliant in the poor output or too weak to stop it.
@@Spaghetti42ono fr. People are saying marvel is dying but watch Deadpool 3 make a billion dollars. Watch Spider-Man 4 make a billion dollars. Watch the next two avengers movies make a billion dollars😭😭
Lets admit it, it was the shows, the people who watched only the movies felt left behind, when Quantumania released a lot of people in theater were like "Wait, Loki is alive?" after the post credit scene
stopped watching marvel after endgame because that was the best ending we could have asked for. Everything after endgame was trash, and even things before endgame were trash (captain marvel in particular). And looking at disney's internal politics, it's no surprise why. "Actively shun white people from being chosen for roles just because they're white" yeah no. That's just the tip of the iceberg. Marvel is dead because disney killed it.
Haha still can't believe they put a TV CLIP as an end credit. Like WTF. Alienated their fan base by saying, oh yeah go buy disney plus so you can see what happens next..
Good video! Finally some truth No character development. No connections between characters. No central villain. No coherent direction or story Marvel in trouble
This is a new saga, you have to wait for it. It was in Infinity war were they brought the heroer together. So that means that we will see it in Avengers 5. And there is a central villain, Kang. And in Avengers 5 we will know about him more. The Infinity saga took years to end, so it will also take years for the new saga
@@ihavenoname-qm8nr Couple differences. One, The Avengers came out in 2012, just four years after Ironman. They spent the next 7 years building all the relationships to culminate in Endgame in 2019. If we are lucky, Avengers 5 will come out in 2026, a full 7 years after the Multiverse Saga began in 2019!!! Secret Wars is projected to release the following year in 2027. Are expected to believe the MCU can build enough wonderful relationships and story lines in ONE YEAR to make Secret Wars worth watching? No chance. Or do they want us to wait another 7 years til 2033? That’s not happening either Which bring us to point number two. The Infinity Saga was very simple and focused in beginning. Three main heroes - Ironman, Captain America, Thor. Three side heroes - Hulk, Black Widow, Hawkeye. That’s it. And we cared about them!! They mattered to us. The Avengers then brought them together, and we followed them with CARING through Endgame Quite frankly, the Multiverse Saga has god knows how many characters, and we don’t care about hardly any of them. The same emotional connections have NOT been built Do we care about She-Hulk, Echo, Gaia, America Chavez, etc like any of the Eternals like we did about Ironman, Cap, etc? No No one like Captain Marvel. Falcon does not remotely fill Caps boots. Dr Strange is cold and unrelatable. Etc The only solid characters we care about are Spiderman and Shang Chi. But that’s just not enough MCU has failed since Endgame. Big time. And I don’t think they know how to fix it.
@@ihavenoname-qm8nr Avengers happened 4 years into Infinity Saga, and we really cared about central characters already. Then they took 7 years to develop relationships and build to Endgame. It was epic cause we cared about characters and relationships If Avengers 5 comes out in 2026 as projected, it will already be 7 years into Multiverse Saga and we barely care about any of these characters. Spidey? Not much more. And how are we supposed to build connection across 60 characters? And then Secret Wars is scheduled to come out just one year later in 2027. There’s no time to build relationships amongst characters, not for us to develop much caring for them This is all a failed strategy
1. They lost consistency of the abilities of superheroes. The first Avengers movie set everyone up against each other and we saw how strong they are in comparison. Then they stomped all over that by making everyone as powerful as the plot requires them to be. 2. Thanos was a very interesting villain. He was educated, wise, reasonable, and true to his word. After Thanos, there are no more intriguing villains. 3. Everything went so cosmic and hilariously out of proportion. Powers and fights don't even make sense anymore. We used to be excited seeing Iron Man lift off the ground and barely fly. Now these guys throw planets at each other and we are not fazed at all. 4. So many objects/people/beings of power. How many deities can you shove into one universe? Oh this guy eats spacetime, oh that stone destroys multiverse, oh the staff of coherence is stolen by the evil witch doctor maravelle who will use it to destroy causality - I mean, come on already, not every villain has to be a threat to the fabric of reality. And I disagree, we already had too much Kang. There's Kang in everything for the last few years. I'm so sick of Kang and I hope they drop him altogether. I don't want to see anything else with Kang or even hear the name Kang again. Kang.
Bad bad decision. He should have come back young and said "I've found my ending, I hope you find yours" gave the shield and left for good. Leaving it open for him to come back.
The MCU should’ve just ended with Endgame. It’s honestly the perfect ending to the infinity saga. Sure, not every story was concluded, and I’m happy we got the last guardians movie. But Endgame just had a certain finality to it. I immediately felt a sense of closure, or satisfaction. Unlike Star Wars, I’m somewhat numb or unbothered with the MCU’s downward spiral. It was a good run, but there’s just no way it could ever bounce back to what it used to be. And that’s ok.
Man that last scene tony sacrificing himself with "I am ironman" still gives me goosebumps. I don't think it will ever happen again with our 30 sec attention span.
still this video pissed me off , she just kept on going on and on and on about cap and tony . yeah i know they were a big big part of the success of marvel , but they were'nt the only reason that mcu peaked before endgame
@@luddman77 that is objectively wrong kiddo. Quit being a contrarian with awful film takes. Endgame is a phenomenal movie and conclusion to the infinity saga.
When iron man had snapped his finger that scene was peak marvel like I was getting goosebumps in the theatre and then the scene after everyone in the theatre started crying
@@SamuelIrias marvel only survived thanks to characters marvel made before disney buy it, but after pre-disney characters gone, disney fall, so disney didnt got marvel 3 year ago but they lost the pre-disney characters and just got ruined since 2019, so its disneys fault obviously, thats why only way they succedd is by bringing old spidermans or old wolverine. Or it can never do anything good without using old characters that are developed before PRE-DISNEY acqusition. So thats the point
Exactly, Disney ruined pixar too even though pixar is more resistant to not obey disney but it still have some little influences. But marvel full sold its soul to disney and become massproduction of moviemaking. Monopolies never care about quality, marvel was once smaller alone studio so it cared about quality to be popular, now it doesnt need popularity or anything because disney is already a big name, and competition is gone now disney ruined fox too and got marvel, so its fully DC-WarnerBros or MARVEL-Disney, nothing in between to make competiton among marvel. It was great when there was competition between SONY, UNIVERSALY, MARVEL, FOX which had their own marvel characters. DISNEY bought all or get them in MCU to prevent them to make their own versions. I would prefer universal to make its own HULK Trilogy etc.
Think Chadwick Boseman would have been great as the leader for the current and upcoming phases. Black panther would have been a solid leader. Sadly he passed away. Maybe he and dr strange both being the leaders and having conflicting ideas like Ironman and captain America.
And it's not Dr. Stranger it's Dr. Strange. You are obviously clueless because you don't even know that Chadwick Boseman died. That's why you don't see the Black Panther character in Marvel movies anymore. What a Marvel fan you are.
@@Charles-um5hd Dude, he knows the guy died. He said his character WOULD HAVE been great as the leader. Meaning if the actor hadn't died. This is not tough stuff to parse.
Thank you for giving Shang Chi credit for being a solid movie. I’ve been waiting for something to be connected to him. Moon Knight also was a great character with a cool backstory. They still haven’t shown us any connection to the bigger MCU smh
It's like they put all of their energy into the Infinity saga and ended up fatiguing since. It doesn't help that their best guys, Stan and Chadwick, have all lost their lives. Now they just want a quick and easy buck and couldn't be bothered to put in any work.
@@cinelumi Its a new saga, so it will take time. You said in the video that they assembled in the avengers movie. Right now we only have movies/shows about 1 character, sometimes more. And in Avengers 5 they will assemble again and we will know more about Kang. You cant just expect to have everyone introduced in the very first movie of the new saga.
@@DougieYT Oh my god, I keep forgetting that Avengers Endgame is old. But still, they are introducing new characters, there were/ are many projects and like I said, they will assemble in they will definetely assemble in Avengers 5 just like in the first movie. And now there will be "Deadpool and Wolverine" next and if you saw the trailer then you should know that it starts to connect something.
"The strongest steel is forged by the fires of hell. It is pounded and struck repeatedly before it's plunged back into the molten fire." Steve Rogers and Tony Stark were forged, as were many other MCU characters, that's what made us invest in their stories. We need to see the other characters evolve, not just come already developed and formed. We want to see their hearts.
Many of the characters are Mary Sues. They have their powers and are perfect from the start. For example, She-Hulk being stronger, tougher, and better than Hulk in her first day, without any training. In the comic books, she retained her intelligence (great advantage), but she wasn't as strong, fast, or tough as Hulk.
@@MakeYouFeelBetterNow I served in the military for 39+ years. And my career was a journey, all the way until the end. Coming up upon my retirement, I was told to reflect on my career for my retirement ceremony presentation. It was a long road filled with my share of trials and tribulations....and many victories and triumphs. To not see the hardships of our heroes takes away from their triumphs. We start to see them as coming too easy and not earned. A hill isn't hard to climb...if you begin at the top.
Avengers Secret Wars is supposed to be better than endgame. 5 hour film across 2 movies. Maybe off earth every possibility. And also the finale of the Avengers and the Multiverse Saga.
While people think the MCU has gone to the gutter, all the problems we see now were seeded in the beginning, from three things: 1- Lack of respect for corners of the source material, and unwillingness to adapt it properly. 2- Sheer terror of writing anyone and anything with seriousness, so instead we have to rely on bathos instead of pathos. 3- A rabid, dogmatic cult of a fanbase, at the ready to defend any decision that Kevin Feige, who's basically God to these folks, does. The worst part, is that the comics have suffered as a consequence of this. Anime and manga have been kicking the western comics industry for over a decade now, but Marvel could of combatted this. Instead, because of their slavishness to brand syngery, they have screwed over the continuity of Earth-616 time and time again, just to turn into an advertisement for the movies, instead of the other way around. All this has achieved is turning away longtime fans, and just angering the ones who stick around. As a result, sales are at their lowest, awful decisions just keep being made, and so many talented people are left without a job, all because Marvel is trying advertisement for the movies, instead of the other way around. All this has achieved is turning away longtime fans, and just angering the ones who stick around. As a result, sales are at their lowest, awful decisions just keep being made, and so many talented people are left without a job, all because Marvel is trying to make their comics appealing to a younger audience that isn't there. Most kids and teens today don't read comics, and that's just reality. TLDR; Marvel Studios have changed and vandalized so many characters, and the problems began in 2012. And Marvel Comics have suffered for this.
You are missing a major point in all of this, there was nothing there to act like the glue between the heroes, more importantly, there is no Strategic Homeland, Intervention, Enforcement and Logistics Division (S.H.I.E.L.D.), the original heroes directly derived from the organization: Tony's father was a co-founder, Steve's love interest was also a co-founder, both Clint and Natasha were Agents, Thor was an ally/friend of Coulson, Bruce was the only one without a link. But it was Fury and Coulson that brought the team together, and then with Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., saw the stories become more connected. What far from home should have done was re-establish S.H.I.E.L.D. with Fury taking to task alongside Coulson to assemble a new team.
The problem with Hawkeye is that nobody believes he can pull of the feats he's pulling off. He's just human. Tony Stark should've upgraded his suit so he becomes a bit more interesting
That's the problem tho, if Tony stepped in upgrading everybody's gimmick then there wouldn't be a point for them to develop on their own, that's why Peter had to lose the suit in NWH, he needed to earn his own suit, his own worth, narratively and as a character
IMO it boils down to 3 things: 1. Superhero fatigue. It's real. You can only watch so many of these movies without needing to see something different (aka Logan, Deadpool). Remember it's not just Marvel but DC that contributes to that fatigue. 2. Greed. Disney just pumped out too much, too fast with lower quality. Very few of their narratives are compelling. Very few of the newer characters are compelling. I've really only enjoyed No Way Home and Guardians 3 post-Endgame. And I'm not a Disney+ subscriber and find too many references in the movies that tie back to the miniseries that I didn't see, so there are challenges in understanding what's actually going on. This is all due to Disney's greed in trying to pump out content without taking the time to make sure it's good content. 3. The death of Chadwick really hurt. He was in a prime position to be The Man going forward with Thor (greater universe) and Spider Man (smaller, Earth-bound tales) filling in gaps. Wakanda could have been established as a constant base of operations and allowed various characters to interact. I don't know if that would have been the plan or not but there's definitely a power vacuum in the Marvel universe right now and NONE of the existing characters seem to have the personality to do it. Who is going to step up? Ant Man? Thor, who already turned down leadership? Captain Marvel, who few like? Spider Man, who still acts like a kid? Chadwick would have been the natural, logical choice and the MCU has yet to work around his absence.
Yeah there was no need for Disney to drop so many series like idk half the shit that goes on in movies these days bcos of those series, can’t sit watching 10 series before a movie, they’re punishing us
Marvel will never reach the highs of Endgame, but with good management Marvel could still have produced great stories for years to come. Unfortunately, it seems that ever since Endgame, Marvel's been determined to tear down the great universe they once created.
@@deadpooldan9862 Yeah, they indeed are introducing new characters, but there's only one problem. Do you want to know what's the problem? Well, the new characters are bland as fuck. I mean I'm not sure if I can name even one interesting post-endgame character.
@@UnknownUser22553 ummmmm that’s what I said man your comment made it sound like marvel has unlimited freedom to make decisions but because of Disney they weren’t able to make the right calls I don’t blame marvel for all this I blame the previous Disney CEO who practically forced Kevin feigue to make tv shows
i usually hate these videos cause most of them are just using the opportunity to gain views/likes from haters or people who are saturated of the MCU, but damn this one gained my heart, since the clips quality, text and editing till the content explain everything that happened to the dawn of Marvel Studios as a franchise itself… CONGRATS! MCU Infinity Saga was a HUGE and VERY special part of me and so many others, the happier moments of my life were pre-opening of event films like Infinity War, Endgame and No Way Home, and it's so sad for a fan like me seeing people blaming MCU for other movies in cinema being bad these days, i hope they rise again, and create so many other special moments like we had in 2018, 19 and 21. ❤️🙏🏻
Tbh it just feels like we’re in a Filler Saga we had some GREAT stuff these last few years but The Avengers Era of Marvel is definitely over most ppl are just waiting for The X-men & Fantastic Four to get introduced and take charge once again of The Marvel Universe just like in the comics Their recent show X-men 97 was incredible, Deadpool & Wolverine looks like a big hit, and the upcoming Fantastic Four & Daredevil & Xmen Projects are gaining a lot of attention It’s clear The MCU needs to stray away from The Avengers and focus more on the good characters they got back The MCU is definitely on a decline with some hits but it’s def far from dead especially when they didn’t even introduced their best characters yet aside from Spider-Man
I don't think something like the Infinity Saga will ever happen again. There was so much that had to go right beyond just the writing. With the conclusion in Endgame people felt that as the end. Everything after has been chasing a dream that has already been fulfilled. And the thing about chasing dreams is, if you are chasing then the magic is lost.
@@EjayT06 Those are mainstream superhero movies. Ironman, Cap america, batman, spiderman, Xmen & deadpool. The big mainstream superheros movies will always be popular when they try to branch out into movies like The eternals who are not soo mainstream that the avg person does not recognize they will fail.
@@eliottgonzalez8844 yeah sure. Because those ones that fail are written terribly. They could still introduce new characters and had they written them well, the films would be much more successful. Sure, maybe not as much as deadpool and wolverine as like you said they are fan favourites, but they for sure would be raking in lots more money than they currently are.
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I love how you guys didn't just make fun of and insult Marvel like other RUclipsrs. You were logical and critical, which made it finally make sense. Thank you.
It was called "END Game" for a reason. They've had a few good movies since, but the epic run of movies for a storyline came to an end, and even the actors were getting too old. That's life.
every naruto needs a sasuke, as a goku needs a vegeta, and a batman needs a superman. The greatest thing with steve and tony is that as their story progressed they both took on characteristic traits of each other through either, consistent trauma and a tremendous amount of weight on his conscious (tony stark) or by slowly learning about the new world, and learning through history that no matter how much order and patriotism and just for doing whats right and by the book, the evil kept spreading, slithering its way into every crack and corner of what he thought was right and committing atrocities behind closed doors, no one can be trusted anymore (Steve). And it all came to a big climax when tony, the selfish lone wolf who says fuck authority became a government lap dog and bowed down to authority, while steve rogers, the soldier who is all about following orders, became the rogue. It all finally comes full circle when tony does what steve always wanted to do since movie 1, sacrifice himself for the greater good and kills thanos. And steve does what tony always wants to do, whatever the fuck he wants, and steve does the selfish move of being with peggy, knowing damn well he shouldve went back to his timeline and lead the avengers and kept the order.
I think that people are forgetting that Marvel is about to launch its most popular team in live action. I think that it will light the fire under a lot of people again. Just please do it right.
The way Marvel Studios and Disny is handling Deadpool3 actually just shows how bad it is imo. Lgan was the PERFECT ending to Hugh Jackman's Wolverine. I don't care if it is an alternative version from a different timeline. It shows that the only trick they have up theur sleeve is reliance on popular characters. No Way Home hyped up the 3 spidermen but honestly beyond that... the movie wasn't well made. It just showed blind reliance on nostalgia and character they know have succeeded. Same goes for Dr. Strange 2. They just hyped up Prof X and the Fantastic 4 joining but what did they do to tie in the universes besides simply showing their faces? It's just lazy writing. It has to go well just because they're bringing in popular teams? Well look what Disney did to Star Wars. You honestly think they won't do the same when it's already happening? Iron Heart being the official heir to Tony Stark, Shuri succeeding T'Challa, pure female "Young Avengers" and all that BS. Don't be surprised when they have a transexual black Kitty physically overpowering Juggernaut.
I liked deadpool and wolverine but not even for a second did i think that the mcu is back or its gonne get better , im hoping that either disney undergoes new management or that someone else buys marvel from disney.
I agree. I hope Deadpool 3 is good and those reshoots for Brave New World are worth it. Otherwise… it’s gonna be another problem. Either way, I’d keep my expectations low. Anyways… this video is quite well-detailed! Great video
Reality is, a lot could've been saved by slowing down just a bit and developing more of a plan. I'd have some of it entirely, like the Loki Series- The whole TVA/Variants thing wasn't really... anything, much as there are cool moments, I mean, it had Tom Hiddleston in it. Problem there is, it undercut's Loki's death in Endgame pretty much immediately after Endgame. And I love Oscar Isaacs too, but Moon Knight was a HARD sell for a series, so I'd likely be cutting that as well. Start with the "epilogue" movies. such as No Way Home, Falcon and Winter Soldier, Wakanda Forever (DON'T just undo the stuff done in the first movie), Thor L&T (Take Movie Seriously), WandaVision finale goes straight to Multiverse of Madness, finish up with Incredible Hulk movie with Genius Hulk realizing how badly the world needs the Avengers reformed, romance with Betsy Ross, conflict with Thunderbolt Ross (foreshadow Thunderbolts here, too), and introduce Jenn (y'know, this time like they want audiences to be excited about her getting her own series). Essentially from here, you start splitting the MCU into "regions" from Street to Cosmic level with little overlap. Run concurrent series on Disney Plus. For Ms. Marvel and the next gen, you move over to Young Avengers and set them to band up, maybe even making it the West Coast Avengers.
A few things caused the marvel downfall. 1. Endgame felt like the end 2. The buffet strategy: as fiege said -phase 4 would be like a buffet where you can pick and choose what you want to follow. This made phase 4 aimless. After phase 4 no one knew what marvel was leading up to. There just was no direction. 3. Hubris - with all the success they had a “we can do no wrong” and just kept green lighting more and more (more than doubling their release) without thinking of how to connect it all. 4. Then a big one is bad luck. The death of Chadwick Boseman, Jonathan majors being found guilty. As well as what ever other things came up. 5. Even up to endgame marvel movies felt like an event. Now it’s just another thing. They would blame it on superhero fatigue, but it’s mainly because nothing seems connected and none of it feels like it’s leading up to something big. Which is the biggest problem, none of it felt like it was leading anywhere Kind of like they saw how they over looked the shows (the Netflix shows, agents of shield, etc) and went “it worked last time, let’s have the movies and shows overlook themselves” I wish they stuck with the original ending for quantum mania - the one where scott is trapped in the quantum realm and the signal in Shang chi is him
the fact is, in between 2008 to 2019(10 years), the amount of watch hours was "X" let's say.. then, in between 2019 to 2024,(5yrars )this watchtime became "2X"
Hiring writers with a few tv episodes to their credits to write 300 million dollar movies, and hiring directors with a handful of 500 thousand dollar documentaries to their credits to direct 300 million dollar movies was also part of the problem.
Here's what happened......Disney went WOKE, Marvel went BROKE. I'm grateful I was able to share the MCU universe with my daughters from Ironman to Endgame. Now, when my older daughters see a Marvel movie, they can't stand them.
XMen 97 succedd cuz they based it on old show, (Succedd for some people who blindly love anything connected to old series and cant see downgrades in new ones, not for me because it was full of social messages and personality changes, censorship to females, frozen movie face animations, and bad shading of characters that cannot intereact with environment and lighting) Disney only get love when they revive old characters etc or when they base a story on old characters like ironman, or old shows like 1992 xmen tas, so disney is right to be blamed still. We saw if disney could do anything good without bringing wolverine back or tobey back or putting captain or ironman or thor that were before Disney bought marvel. All those ethernals etc were nothing.
they seem to forget spiderman no way home made up the spiderverse and deleted it within 3 hours they seem to forget that brilliant origin stories like Shang chi exist, and Loki(one of the best web series). it all existed in the same time frame.
@@Ericaandmaci agree with your point here. i feel if Disney makes a woke spiderman animated show like this xmen thing, we may even start to hate spiderman. imagine a multiversal story of spiderman under Disney where gwen gets to be the lead character and the girl boss who teaches miles and Peter what to do. and, to add to the wound, Peter B Parker is gay in this universe and that's why MJ left him. and Harry is gay for Peter, eddie brock wears lipstick, doctor octopus is a female lesbian
@@godson200 I didnt like nowayhome too, it was full of illogicality, how can dr. octopus exist if greengoblin doesnt die, or how can peter say MJ he is spiderman if dr octopus didnt kidnap mj. So it ruined all raimi story timeline. They take different characters of same universe from different sub-universes and if they heal all of them then those events will never happen and spiderman will have no villian or personal development, it has so many illogicalities. Its story was almost like done by a kid without thinking these contradictions.
Marvel is on their comeback now with Deadpool and Wolverine, Venom 3 coming out this October, Avengers: Doomsday coming out on 2026, and Avengers: Secret Wars coming out on 2027
Jonathan Majors as Kang was so good and S1 of Loki too, but sadly, that S2 was a trash especially the final. Marvel kill Loki again by stuck him in a tree, because of another strong woman to show SJW propaganda
@@lilokiola9525 ???? I'm Republican but the whole point was that the show was about Loki. He is the strongest character for making that sacrifice. I can't imagine choosing to be stuck somewhere to save everyone else. That was one of the strongest things he could have possibly done.
5:50 Excuse me. The Ten Rings is the name of the organization that kidnapped Tony in the first Iron man. Like it said in Shung Chi. They were working in the background.
@Juicekid99999 I watch a lot of videos about the Easter eggs. That's why I know. I need to do a LOT mire research but what I learn... I tend to remember well.
Why not X-Force; X-Factor; Silver Surfer; World Breaker Hulk; 8th Day Juggernaut; Sinister....and countless other one off series that lead into sequels.😎
So many fans are there like myself were just excited to see new stories and heroes after endgame. If they had provided the same powerful backstory and strength to the characters(and not destroy already loved characters like thor, dr strange, fury etc) people would've still enjoyed it. Even if they somehow bring back tony I'm afraid they will make him do stupid stuff. That's what they did to so many characters.
Nah the MCU is so screwed particularly next year. It’s fallen so hard, it’s not even funny. In another 2 years time, the world will not care about the MCU whatsoever 😂
i just came back from deadpool & wolverine. i think what's missing is actual fans who grew up with the comics, who wore the costumes to school, who remember watching captain america 1990 aren't the ones writing and producing. and even if i'm wrong, they aren't very rebellious or conscientious writers. the actors they have hired for these roles are all well cast, but the new mcu relies too heavily on big names to make up for passionless stories. there's no more passion in the main mcu and we can all tell.
What would you like to see us talk about next?
How to resurrect the Friday The 13th franchise
(BTW earned a new sub from me‼️)
Talk about the real reason it is failing
THE UNWANTED MSHEU FEMINAZI FORCED ADDTITIVES IN EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR SPIDER MAN
peak was caption america CIVIL WAR after then it all went south
@@tricybriky3881you mean went down unda to
The fall of Disney. Or maybe Star Wars, Legend vs Canon.
That's just it. "Endgame" felt like the end. What comes next when you're ending your biggest heroes? Now it feels like... Finishing up the side quests and collecting tokens to get 100% completion.
There was also a reason why it was called Endgame
Ironman and capt America were b list marvel heroes 20 years ago.
They have no excuse for fumbling everything after they bought the rights from the fox movjes
Well said
@@teejayman215 Regardless, when the MCU started they made Iron Man, Captain America and Thor their big names (not being able to use Spider-man, X-Men and F4), retire them and you leave us with...
Thor... Kinda? A "new" CA in Falcon? We have a Spider-man but most ot his story/arc has been scribbled into the margins so... Who do we latch onto? They bungled the transition by not giving us anyone to be behind.
Now they need to basically start over and build to a new climax. That's why I never understood why people expected Avengers type numbers. Nope we are back to 400M-800M box office while they build to a new climax.
It flopped because they abandoned their core fans for a fan base that has zero interest in going to the movies .
straight to the point!
Yes, and the second group have way more people. You can see quantity over quality in this area as well
This
Yep. Started calling us “toxic “
Was Kang a Caucasian?
Now you realize Thanos actually tried to save MCU.
Lol
I was laughing until I realize, that is true...
hahaha that's actually true
😂
From the start I had a feeling thanos was right
Also, they didn't handle Thor correctly. He should have been on the same level of Iron Man and Capt. America. The 3 characters had their own series of films.
So did Thor...?
yes i know. thor was one of the 3. :)
I honestly prefer a more serious thor compared to the parody of himself they made out of him.
The dark world failed because it had a weak villain, but i liked it better than ragnarok or love and thunder.
I mean if you made love and thunder into a serious film that didn’t crap out mindless jokes every 5mins it would have been epic.
1000% in agreement!
@@patrickprucha5522 you guys forget about the Hulk. Hulk is one of the originals, in the comics he comes first then captain America he deserved better
Disney is worse than Thanos. Thanos at least left half of the universe but disney is actually destroying the whole MCU.
Well played!
yes disney only succeed thanks to movies that were made before marvel is bought by disney in 2012, and thats why it go on until endgame thanks to old characters , but after old pre-disney characters r gone, disneymarvel become nothing .
ya Disney kept for 4% and 96% viewers skip
Tbf, Thanos' plan actually had benefits as the world would've been a better place for a few centuries since there would've been ample resources for everyone.
The only problem with it was that many innocents and loved ones were lost.
Coming to disney, nah, no benefits.
@@himeshsinghshishodiya not true though because gamora's planet actually suffered even after thanos killed half of its inhabitants
I got a feeling Kevin Feige saw your video missed the point and thought to himself “ahh, so I just gotta bring Tony Stark back “
Reallll
Sure buddy
Eyy, chill!
Quantity over quality. That is the best synthesis. Well said.
Well let's hope Deadpool & Wolverine fixes that 😀😁🤞🏻
@@inderpalnagi2429yes I was looking for this comment 😅
@@aeymed have you watched it yet?
so true, disney+ has ruined the structure of the next/current phases because of all the series imo. Now you have to watch several series that are each over 4 hours in length, compared to single films that were 2hrs at most.
All that coupled with the fact the series are now so integral to the plot compared to how Agents of Shield was for example, yet the films have little real crossover like this video explained, it showing that they are really struggling to put the next phases together.
Acting like everything in saga 1 was full of quality 🤦♂
They messed up when they decided we needed to watch a tv show to understand the story of a movie.
I don't wanna do homework before watching a movie. I just skip the movie
The tv shows are amazing, Loki is absolutely brilliant, season 2 didn't hit but season 1 was a master piece. Wanda vision was equally as brilliant and well made..
To be honest season 1 was good, but did lack action, but the build up to the end was really well done and set up the second season
season 2 was good, but it was a bit too much at times, but gave us a decisive ending for Loki's story...
Avengers would have been fine if they had worked on other movies like
1 - not making a proper plan Black Panther 2
2 - why was Thor seeming more like a secondary character in his movie, why is Jane a better Thor than Thor for certain parts of that movie
3 - the Marvels, why was the villain so silly
4 - etc... etc...
No true evil villains
Heroes are made goofy or stupid at random so others can stand out
Some heroes are made too perfect so there is no way to write an actual threat
Avengers 1 - Save the world - from Loki and Alien Invasion
Avengers 2 - Save the world - from Ultron and Machines
Avengers 3 Infinity War - Save the Universe - from Thanos and his children
Avengers 4 End Game - Time Travel - save the universe - from Thanos and his children
Avengers Infinity War and Endgame are basically just one large movie with two parts...
but where do you go from there...
1 - Save the world ---> Save the universe ---> Save the multiverse??
2 - Thor is looking more senile than Odin, Hulk is just chilling, Captain America retired, Iron Man retired, Black Widow and Hawk Eye are regular people, they are not built for universal saving, Guardians is more or less at their end game...
3 - Why did they not start prepping other movies or investing in another hit like Iron Man was... companies take risks, hit big... and forget that over time risks must always be taken, or eventually you get left with nothing as most progress will get caught up to or surpassed if you do not keep pushing...
@@PokiDonnieno
Some of the shows are decent, Loki is honestly really good and I liked WandaVision. But I agree, they just kept making more and more shows and not all of them were great. I didn’t watch the marvels because I never had an interest in ms marvel. Maybe if it was a movie under two hours but not a whole season
After thanos, they should have established the next big threat well enough so that all the other movies could point towards one looming all out fight again. One of the many issues is that kang wasn’t well known, so people like myself lost interest. After endgame, I expected the next villain to step in would be galactus or dormmamu. I didn’t even know who kang was.
I agree. Thats exactly what the comic books would do, sometimes. It worked.
They did, his name is Kang, don't know how they're introducing doom/f4 and knull but it'll be worth it.
They shoud have introduced these villains in the movies time to time, not major characters but just glimpses of them, that would have been better
After endgame , i did not know what movie came out in marvel
Dr Strange Movies and Multi-verse of Madness was Amazing
Spider-Man: No Way Home was amazing actually
@@rihabshaikh9666Yeah basically the movie that killed Spiderman too😂
@@DexlabHurtsMaybe they started a new era for spider man who will now be a spider man without any high tech
Me too, ive been a big fan of ironman since the first time i saw it on cinemas in 2008, but when they killed ironman, fock that sheet, i aint give a fock about other mcu characters
Only one word to describe the downfall of Marvel... "Greed". Greedy shareholders wanting more profit, a greedy streaming platform pushing for more content and greedy viewers wanting the next big thing. Sadly, it seems Kevin Feige is either compliant in the poor output or too weak to stop it.
I don't think greed is a proper word, it's them trying to push more and more leftist propaganda that lead them to this downward spiral
this
Also I think after Endgame, think Marvel just expected fans to be as devoted as before just by the brand name
There is no downfall of marvel
@@Spaghetti42ono fr. People are saying marvel is dying but watch Deadpool 3 make a billion dollars. Watch Spider-Man 4 make a billion dollars. Watch the next two avengers movies make a billion dollars😭😭
0:34 Why does Captain America look like Biden?
Literally why the f
😂😂😂
Cause he’s old and white?
@@noahmorales1114💀
I was just going to comment that.
Lets admit it, it was the shows, the people who watched only the movies felt left behind, when Quantumania released a lot of people in theater were like "Wait, Loki is alive?" after the post credit scene
stopped watching marvel after endgame because that was the best ending we could have asked for. Everything after endgame was trash, and even things before endgame were trash (captain marvel in particular). And looking at disney's internal politics, it's no surprise why. "Actively shun white people from being chosen for roles just because they're white" yeah no. That's just the tip of the iceberg. Marvel is dead because disney killed it.
Even if there were no shows, the movies have lots of issues too.
people who didn;t watch wandavision also confused when they're watching doctor strange 2 for the whole movie.
Haha still can't believe they put a TV CLIP as an end credit. Like WTF. Alienated their fan base by saying, oh yeah go buy disney plus so you can see what happens next..
It's not just the shows. The quality of the movies themselves went downhill. Quantumania you mentioned was an absolute mess.
Good video! Finally some truth
No character development. No connections between characters. No central villain. No coherent direction or story
Marvel in trouble
This is a new saga, you have to wait for it. It was in Infinity war were they brought the heroer together. So that means that we will see it in Avengers 5. And there is a central villain, Kang. And in Avengers 5 we will know about him more.
The Infinity saga took years to end, so it will also take years for the new saga
@@ihavenoname-qm8nr Couple differences. One, The Avengers came out in 2012, just four years after Ironman. They spent the next 7 years building all the relationships to culminate in Endgame in 2019.
If we are lucky, Avengers 5 will come out in 2026, a full 7 years after the Multiverse Saga began in 2019!!! Secret Wars is projected to release the following year in 2027. Are expected to believe the MCU can build enough wonderful relationships and story lines in ONE YEAR to make Secret Wars worth watching? No chance. Or do they want us to wait another 7 years til 2033? That’s not happening either
Which bring us to point number two. The Infinity Saga was very simple and focused in beginning. Three main heroes - Ironman, Captain America, Thor. Three side heroes - Hulk, Black Widow, Hawkeye. That’s it. And we cared about them!! They mattered to us.
The Avengers then brought them together, and we followed them with CARING through Endgame
Quite frankly, the Multiverse Saga has god knows how many characters, and we don’t care about hardly any of them. The same emotional connections have NOT been built
Do we care about She-Hulk, Echo, Gaia, America Chavez, etc like any of the Eternals like we did about Ironman, Cap, etc? No
No one like Captain Marvel. Falcon does not remotely fill Caps boots. Dr Strange is cold and unrelatable. Etc
The only solid characters we care about are Spiderman and Shang Chi. But that’s just not enough
MCU has failed since Endgame. Big time. And I don’t think they know how to fix it.
There is character development
@@ihavenoname-qm8nr Avengers happened 4 years into Infinity Saga, and we really cared about central characters already. Then they took 7 years to develop relationships and build to Endgame. It was epic cause we cared about characters and relationships
If Avengers 5 comes out in 2026 as projected, it will already be 7 years into Multiverse Saga and we barely care about any of these characters. Spidey? Not much more. And how are we supposed to build connection across 60 characters?
And then Secret Wars is scheduled to come out just one year later in 2027. There’s no time to build relationships amongst characters, not for us to develop much caring for them
This is all a failed strategy
@@AndrewDukes with who? Where? What universe? (Haha see what I did there?)
1. They lost consistency of the abilities of superheroes. The first Avengers movie set everyone up against each other and we saw how strong they are in comparison. Then they stomped all over that by making everyone as powerful as the plot requires them to be.
2. Thanos was a very interesting villain. He was educated, wise, reasonable, and true to his word. After Thanos, there are no more intriguing villains.
3. Everything went so cosmic and hilariously out of proportion. Powers and fights don't even make sense anymore. We used to be excited seeing Iron Man lift off the ground and barely fly. Now these guys throw planets at each other and we are not fazed at all.
4. So many objects/people/beings of power. How many deities can you shove into one universe? Oh this guy eats spacetime, oh that stone destroys multiverse, oh the staff of coherence is stolen by the evil witch doctor maravelle who will use it to destroy causality - I mean, come on already, not every villain has to be a threat to the fabric of reality.
And I disagree, we already had too much Kang. There's Kang in everything for the last few years. I'm so sick of Kang and I hope they drop him altogether. I don't want to see anything else with Kang or even hear the name Kang again. Kang.
I guess you could say you kang stand kang
@@tomasbeltran04050 brilliant hahaha
Great comment!
is Kang your opposition
Basically, the same problems as Naruto final war arc.
I'm still wondering why they turned captain America to Joe Biden
Lol just what I thought...
Bad bad decision. He should have come back young and said "I've found my ending, I hope you find yours" gave the shield and left for good. Leaving it open for him to come back.
😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂
My thoughts exactly 😂 I'm surprised he didn't forget his lines@@LeslieChen83
Bro blame it on Disney…they rushed marvel
If it wasn't disney none of the good movies would even exist either. Yeah they messed it up now but back then they made it better
@@RyzenX12 yeah marvel is still great so idk what all the fuss is about
They rushed? Rushed! They made 10 damn movies a year when most stories can be told in a single film or longer one's in a trilogy.
@@Ethanj-qo2hgAre you speaking of Thor 5? Ant-man 3? Or Marvels? Maybe Invasion series?
@@LegsON I liked secret invasion and enjoyed the marvels…I also enjoyed Thor love and thunder but it just felt like the opposite of serious
The MCU should’ve just ended with Endgame. It’s honestly the perfect ending to the infinity saga. Sure, not every story was concluded, and I’m happy we got the last guardians movie. But Endgame just had a certain finality to it. I immediately felt a sense of closure, or satisfaction. Unlike Star Wars, I’m somewhat numb or unbothered with the MCU’s downward spiral. It was a good run, but there’s just no way it could ever bounce back to what it used to be. And that’s ok.
Man that last scene tony sacrificing himself with "I am ironman" still gives me goosebumps. I don't think it will ever happen again with our 30 sec attention span.
End Game was truly the End Game
End game was a terrible movie!!!
still this video pissed me off , she just kept on going on and on and on about cap and tony . yeah i know they were a big big part of the success of marvel , but they were'nt the only reason that mcu peaked before endgame
@@luddman77that’s a terrible opinion 💀
@@hazman5528 no it was trash!!!!
@@luddman77 that is objectively wrong kiddo. Quit being a contrarian with awful film takes. Endgame is a phenomenal movie and conclusion to the infinity saga.
When iron man had snapped his finger that scene was peak marvel like I was getting goosebumps in the theatre and then the scene after everyone in the theatre started crying
Correction. How Disney killed Marvel.
No ts not like Disney got marvel 3 years ago...
now they killing the star wars
@@SamuelIrias marvel only survived thanks to characters marvel made before disney buy it, but after pre-disney characters gone, disney fall, so disney didnt got marvel 3 year ago but they lost the pre-disney characters and just got ruined since 2019, so its disneys fault obviously, thats why only way they succedd is by bringing old spidermans or old wolverine. Or it can never do anything good without using old characters that are developed before PRE-DISNEY acqusition.
So thats the point
Exactly, Disney ruined pixar too even though pixar is more resistant to not obey disney but it still have some little influences. But marvel full sold its soul to disney and become massproduction of moviemaking. Monopolies never care about quality, marvel was once smaller alone studio so it cared about quality to be popular, now it doesnt need popularity or anything because disney is already a big name, and competition is gone now disney ruined fox too and got marvel, so its fully DC-WarnerBros or MARVEL-Disney, nothing in between to make competiton among marvel. It was great when there was competition between SONY, UNIVERSALY, MARVEL, FOX which had their own marvel characters. DISNEY bought all or get them in MCU to prevent them to make their own versions. I would prefer universal to make its own HULK Trilogy etc.
Correction : how people turned into whiny twats.
I can’t wait for dead pool to clean up the timeline again
Needs to erase half of phase 4-5. Secret Invasion could have been a 2-3 movie arc. Should have been named Fury. Wasting a chance at a real story
At least we get Secret Wars. Way to end the Multiverse Saga.
Trust me bro it’s going to destroy the other half too & it’s the sad truth…just mark my words🙂😔
Haha haha good luck
"Marvel Jesus" as he called himself 😅
The MCU is like a video game. Endgame was the final boss, and everything after was a bunch bonus side quests.
Think Chadwick Boseman would have been great as the leader for the current and upcoming phases. Black panther would have been a solid leader. Sadly he passed away. Maybe he and dr strange both being the leaders and having conflicting ideas like Ironman and captain America.
Are you for real? Guy literally died after the movie…
@@LautaroTessi yeah I know he passed away. that's why I was saying he would of been a good lead for the new phases.
@@LautaroTessiare you illiterate?
And it's not Dr. Stranger it's Dr. Strange. You are obviously clueless because you don't even know that Chadwick Boseman died. That's why you don't see the Black Panther character in Marvel movies anymore. What a Marvel fan you are.
@@Charles-um5hd Dude, he knows the guy died. He said his character WOULD HAVE been great as the leader. Meaning if the actor hadn't died. This is not tough stuff to parse.
Thank you for giving Shang Chi credit for being a solid movie. I’ve been waiting for something to be connected to him. Moon Knight also was a great character with a cool backstory. They still haven’t shown us any connection to the bigger MCU smh
I thought it was pretty good myself. It’s one of the better mcu films
true. Also the loki series was good too, but maybe they need to introduce these characters in movies rather than shitty episodes
True ❤
Only 2 first episodes. After it all goes strong.y woke and Disney riuns rthe character
I remember all the hype for endgame and infinity war. It's crazy to think that there probably will never be that kind of hype for a movie again
It's like they put all of their energy into the Infinity saga and ended up fatiguing since.
It doesn't help that their best guys, Stan and Chadwick, have all lost their lives.
Now they just want a quick and easy buck and couldn't be bothered to put in any work.
Seems like it from the outside, and they weren't sure what to do after defeating Thanos.
@@cinelumi Its a new saga, so it will take time. You said in the video that they assembled in the avengers movie. Right now we only have movies/shows about 1 character, sometimes more. And in Avengers 5 they will assemble again and we will know more about Kang. You cant just expect to have everyone introduced in the very first movie of the new saga.
@@ihavenoname-qm8nrThis “New Saga” has been going on for 6 years now, since Endgame came out.
@@DougieYT Oh my god, I keep forgetting that Avengers Endgame is old. But still, they are introducing new characters, there were/ are many projects and like I said, they will assemble in they will definetely assemble in Avengers 5 just like in the first movie. And now there will be "Deadpool and Wolverine" next and if you saw the trailer then you should know that it starts to connect something.
@@ihavenoname-qm8nr I have hopes for Deadpool and Wolverine since they both have been established prior in their own franchises, so we’ll see.
Either the MCU should’ve ended with Endgame or the only good movies that came after it (example no way home and guardians 3)
So all the movies and shows? Because there’s only a few bad ones
No, most of them are bad@@deadpooldan9862
ya
Guardians 3 was trash
@@truelight2097 WHAT
0:32 Joe Biden was Captain America?
😂😂
It looks exactly like him
4:16 “made the choice off screen and then told us about it” 😂😂
that thumbnail is awesome!
Further proof that fans understand how how representation works better than Disney/Marvel Studios.
Yo Myles!
Great depiction of Infinity War foreshadowing the downfall of MCU
deadpool casually making a comeback with dancing intro 😂
"The strongest steel is forged by the fires of hell. It is pounded and struck repeatedly before it's plunged back into the molten fire."
Steve Rogers and Tony Stark were forged, as were many other MCU characters, that's what made us invest in their stories. We need to see the other characters evolve, not just come already developed and formed. We want to see their hearts.
Many of the characters are Mary Sues. They have their powers and are perfect from the start. For example, She-Hulk being stronger, tougher, and better than Hulk in her first day, without any training. In the comic books, she retained her intelligence (great advantage), but she wasn't as strong, fast, or tough as Hulk.
@@MakeYouFeelBetterNow I served in the military for 39+ years. And my career was a journey, all the way until the end.
Coming up upon my retirement, I was told to reflect on my career for my retirement ceremony presentation. It was a long road filled with my share of trials and tribulations....and many victories and triumphs.
To not see the hardships of our heroes takes away from their triumphs. We start to see them as coming too easy and not earned.
A hill isn't hard to climb...if you begin at the top.
@@EvilTheOne Completely agree with you.
It's not surprising. They spent years and multiple movies to build everything up to a finale. The finale happened.
That wasn’t the finale of the avengers.
Avengers Secret Wars is supposed to be better than endgame. 5 hour film across 2 movies. Maybe off earth every possibility. And also the finale of the Avengers and the Multiverse Saga.
@@hemigoleosure buddy
@@hemigoleo i cannot wait to see that but im gonna be a ancient man when that happens
@@Cdxu22121 yeah Buddy remember Disney made endgame?
While people think the MCU has gone to the gutter, all the problems we see now were seeded in the beginning, from three things:
1- Lack of respect for corners of the source material, and unwillingness to adapt it properly.
2- Sheer terror of writing anyone and anything with seriousness, so instead we have to rely on bathos instead of pathos.
3- A rabid, dogmatic cult of a fanbase, at the ready to defend any decision that Kevin Feige, who's basically God to these folks, does.
The worst part, is that the comics have suffered as a consequence of this. Anime and manga have been kicking the western comics industry for over a decade now, but Marvel could of combatted this. Instead, because of their slavishness to brand syngery, they have screwed over the continuity of Earth-616 time and time again, just to turn into an advertisement for the movies, instead of the other way around.
All this has achieved is turning away longtime fans, and just angering the ones who stick around. As a result, sales are at their lowest, awful decisions just keep being made, and so many talented people are left without a job, all because Marvel is trying advertisement for the movies, instead of the other way around. All this has achieved is turning away longtime fans, and just angering the ones who stick around. As a result, sales are at their lowest, awful decisions just keep being made, and so many talented people are left without a job, all because Marvel is trying to make their comics appealing to a younger audience that isn't there. Most kids and teens today don't read comics, and that's just reality.
TLDR; Marvel Studios have changed and vandalized so many characters, and the problems began in 2012. And Marvel Comics have suffered for this.
You are missing a major point in all of this, there was nothing there to act like the glue between the heroes, more importantly, there is no Strategic Homeland, Intervention, Enforcement and Logistics Division (S.H.I.E.L.D.), the original heroes directly derived from the organization: Tony's father was a co-founder, Steve's love interest was also a co-founder, both Clint and Natasha were Agents, Thor was an ally/friend of Coulson, Bruce was the only one without a link. But it was Fury and Coulson that brought the team together, and then with Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., saw the stories become more connected. What far from home should have done was re-establish S.H.I.E.L.D. with Fury taking to task alongside Coulson to assemble a new team.
Aw man! Bringing SHIELD back to the movies would’ve been awesome. Could’ve brought Daisy and the others too. Man! If only.
The problem with Hawkeye is that nobody believes he can pull of the feats he's pulling off. He's just human. Tony Stark should've upgraded his suit so he becomes a bit more interesting
That's the problem tho, if Tony stepped in upgrading everybody's gimmick then there wouldn't be a point for them to develop on their own, that's why Peter had to lose the suit in NWH, he needed to earn his own suit, his own worth, narratively and as a character
Are you saying he's not realistic really dude
It should be revealed that Hawkeye is a mutant.
@@maelguiraud3568 no, he's not realistic in the context universe he exists in.
@@TekkLuthor That's like a whole ass dialogue in Age of Ultron.
Well now we have Robert Downey Jr. as dr. Doom
Proving her point. They're out of ideas. Good for rdj though, he's getting mad rich.
Its not the same thing, i didnt perosnally like iron man standalone movie, but i miss him as an avenger
IMO it boils down to 3 things:
1. Superhero fatigue. It's real. You can only watch so many of these movies without needing to see something different (aka Logan, Deadpool). Remember it's not just Marvel but DC that contributes to that fatigue.
2. Greed. Disney just pumped out too much, too fast with lower quality. Very few of their narratives are compelling. Very few of the newer characters are compelling. I've really only enjoyed No Way Home and Guardians 3 post-Endgame. And I'm not a Disney+ subscriber and find too many references in the movies that tie back to the miniseries that I didn't see, so there are challenges in understanding what's actually going on. This is all due to Disney's greed in trying to pump out content without taking the time to make sure it's good content.
3. The death of Chadwick really hurt. He was in a prime position to be The Man going forward with Thor (greater universe) and Spider Man (smaller, Earth-bound tales) filling in gaps. Wakanda could have been established as a constant base of operations and allowed various characters to interact. I don't know if that would have been the plan or not but there's definitely a power vacuum in the Marvel universe right now and NONE of the existing characters seem to have the personality to do it. Who is going to step up? Ant Man? Thor, who already turned down leadership? Captain Marvel, who few like? Spider Man, who still acts like a kid? Chadwick would have been the natural, logical choice and the MCU has yet to work around his absence.
Black panther and his majestic army was really exciting to watch.
Yeah there was no need for Disney to drop so many series like idk half the shit that goes on in movies these days bcos of those series, can’t sit watching 10 series before a movie, they’re punishing us
Not really superhero fatigue just bad content
Marvel will never reach the highs of Endgame, but with good management Marvel could still have produced great stories for years to come. Unfortunately, it seems that ever since Endgame, Marvel's been determined to tear down the great universe they once created.
Not marvel disney
I don’t see how this is true when they’re introducing new characters that are gonna be in future movies and shows
@@CamPlays355 Well, Disney has owned Marvel since 2009 when they bought it.
@@deadpooldan9862 Yeah, they indeed are introducing new characters, but there's only one problem. Do you want to know what's the problem? Well, the new characters are bland as fuck. I mean I'm not sure if I can name even one interesting post-endgame character.
@@UnknownUser22553 ummmmm that’s what I said man your comment made it sound like marvel has unlimited freedom to make decisions but because of Disney they weren’t able to make the right calls I don’t blame marvel for all this I blame the previous Disney CEO who practically forced Kevin feigue to make tv shows
@0:32 WoW, I didn't realize Captain America turns into JOE BIDEN !!!
Every story has to end and this one ended with Endgame.
As a great man once said, "Part of the journey is the end."
exactly 😢
@@jethrojacinto2798 Hence the new Saga. The problem is the new Saga is shit.
i usually hate these videos cause most of them are just using the opportunity to gain views/likes from haters or people who are saturated of the MCU, but damn this one gained my heart, since the clips quality, text and editing till the content explain everything that happened to the dawn of Marvel Studios as a franchise itself… CONGRATS!
MCU Infinity Saga was a HUGE and VERY special part of me and so many others, the happier moments of my life were pre-opening of event films like Infinity War, Endgame and No Way Home, and it's so sad for a fan like me seeing people blaming MCU for other movies in cinema being bad these days, i hope they rise again, and create so many other special moments like we had in 2018, 19 and 21. ❤️🙏🏻
This channel is very underrated
This channel should atleast have 500k subs.
I didn’t see x men and the fantastic 4 0:10
MCU characters bola hai usne saaf saaf, X-Men and fantastic four abhi MCU mai nhi aaye hai
They were still apart of 20th century fox at the time
Beside anti heros
Tbh it just feels like we’re in a Filler Saga we had some GREAT stuff these last few years but The Avengers Era of Marvel is definitely over most ppl are just waiting for The X-men & Fantastic Four to get introduced and take charge once again of The Marvel Universe just like in the comics
Their recent show X-men 97 was incredible, Deadpool & Wolverine looks like a big hit, and the upcoming Fantastic Four & Daredevil & Xmen Projects are gaining a lot of attention
It’s clear The MCU needs to stray away from The Avengers and focus more on the good characters they got back
The MCU is definitely on a decline with some hits but it’s def far from dead especially when they didn’t even introduced their best characters yet aside from Spider-Man
This.
im right with you buddy im planing to watch deadpool and wolverine with my mom soon
Deadpool looks like it’s going to be trash
Marvel doesn’t have a problem still has more fans than ever
I saw this thing coming when I left the theaters after watching Endgame
Sure you did
@@JemineOkoturohit’s not that impossible to believe lol
The quality of the films has also been very poor too!
No they haven’t
@@JemineOkoturoh uh yes they have
It is obvious. Marvel is rushing because directors and actors are dying of old age. Marvel cast asks: Do you think we're eternal beings or something?
I don't think something like the Infinity Saga will ever happen again. There was so much that had to go right beyond just the writing. With the conclusion in Endgame people felt that as the end. Everything after has been chasing a dream that has already been fulfilled. And the thing about chasing dreams is, if you are chasing then the magic is lost.
No nothing like the infinity saga will ever happen again now it’s the multiverse saga get your head out of the past!!!!
We all miss captain America and Iron man ,we really want them back.and no-one can replace those two 😢😭
They could introduce good characters, but good writing is absolutely required, which eventually grew short.
@@chaplain900 people have gotten tired of the superhero movie thing. hollywood needs some fresh ideads
@@eliottgonzalez8844deadpool and wolverine says otherwise.. people aren’t tired of superhero movies, they’re tired of BAD superhero movies.
@@EjayT06 Those are mainstream superhero movies.
Ironman, Cap america, batman, spiderman, Xmen & deadpool.
The big mainstream superheros movies will always be popular when they try to branch out into movies like The eternals who are not soo mainstream that the avg person does not recognize they will fail.
@@eliottgonzalez8844 yeah sure. Because those ones that fail are written terribly. They could still introduce new characters and had they written them well, the films would be much more successful. Sure, maybe not as much as deadpool and wolverine as like you said they are fan favourites, but they for sure would be raking in lots more money than they currently are.
We think this is just the beginning 👌 Cinelumi, we just subscribed-you’re an incredible inspiration. Your storytelling and editing are absolutely top-notch. Keep up the amazing work!
I love how you guys didn't just make fun of and insult Marvel like other RUclipsrs. You were logical and critical, which made it finally make sense. Thank you.
Nicely made video. Loved the music mixing you did during the whole presentation.
It was called "END Game" for a reason. They've had a few good movies since, but the epic run of movies for a storyline came to an end, and even the actors were getting too old. That's life.
every naruto needs a sasuke, as a goku needs a vegeta, and a batman needs a superman.
The greatest thing with steve and tony is that as their story progressed they both took on characteristic traits of each other through either, consistent trauma and a tremendous amount of weight on his conscious (tony stark) or by slowly learning about the new world, and learning through history that no matter how much order and patriotism and just for doing whats right and by the book, the evil kept spreading, slithering its way into every crack and corner of what he thought was right and committing atrocities behind closed doors, no one can be trusted anymore (Steve).
And it all came to a big climax when tony, the selfish lone wolf who says fuck authority became a government lap dog and bowed down to authority, while steve rogers, the soldier who is all about following orders, became the rogue.
It all finally comes full circle when tony does what steve always wanted to do since movie 1, sacrifice himself for the greater good and kills thanos. And steve does what tony always wants to do, whatever the fuck he wants, and steve does the selfish move of being with peggy, knowing damn well he shouldve went back to his timeline and lead the avengers and kept the order.
Moonknight, wandavision, hawkeye, deadpool, black widow, shang chi, loki, etc. MCU has many many promising characters on their hands.
Enter Wolverine as well.
They’ll mess it up. They get worse each year. 2024 is just an outlier here 🤣
Every single MCU thing since Endgame have felt like spinoffs
We have "Deadpool & Wolverine" coming out in less than 2 months now being a sequel to the 20th Century Fox Deadpool movies
I’m nervous of that being a disappointment
@@YooperHatesOhioState You checked out the reception of the previous Deadpool movies let alone watched them?
@@austinmichael3086 I’ve seen both movies
@@YooperHatesOhioState what did you think of them?
@@austinmichael3086 love both and have em on dvd. My favorite non Spider-Man marvel movies other than infinity war and endgame
I think Deadpool & Wolverine has bought back the Marvel factor and it feels like the film will catapult the MCU in the right direction.
I think that people are forgetting that Marvel is about to launch its most popular team in live action. I think that it will light the fire under a lot of people again. Just please do it right.
The way Marvel Studios and Disny is handling Deadpool3 actually just shows how bad it is imo.
Lgan was the PERFECT ending to Hugh Jackman's Wolverine. I don't care if it is an alternative version from a different timeline. It shows that the only trick they have up theur sleeve is reliance on popular characters. No Way Home hyped up the 3 spidermen but honestly beyond that... the movie wasn't well made. It just showed blind reliance on nostalgia and character they know have succeeded.
Same goes for Dr. Strange 2. They just hyped up Prof X and the Fantastic 4 joining but what did they do to tie in the universes besides simply showing their faces? It's just lazy writing.
It has to go well just because they're bringing in popular teams?
Well look what Disney did to Star Wars.
You honestly think they won't do the same when it's already happening?
Iron Heart being the official heir to Tony Stark,
Shuri succeeding T'Challa,
pure female "Young Avengers" and all that BS.
Don't be surprised when they have a transexual black Kitty physically overpowering Juggernaut.
I liked deadpool and wolverine but not even for a second did i think that the mcu is back or its gonne get better , im hoping that either disney undergoes new management or that someone else buys marvel from disney.
the quest for spectacularism was backed with the most short-sighted writing possible, something the comics didn't suffer from
I agree. I hope Deadpool 3 is good and those reshoots for Brave New World are worth it. Otherwise… it’s gonna be another problem. Either way, I’d keep my expectations low.
Anyways… this video is quite well-detailed! Great video
Fingers crossed!
@@cinelumiCap 4 test screenings were so bad though
@@sladewilson377 Well, yeah. Even after reshoots
Thank you algorithm for showing me this video 👏🏻👏🏻 great content and I 100% agree
Disney princesses ruined MCU
Disney princess is great like all the beautiful fairytale that they've made in the past. But because of woke, it ruin the beautiful things.
Reality is, a lot could've been saved by slowing down just a bit and developing more of a plan. I'd have some of it entirely, like the Loki Series- The whole TVA/Variants thing wasn't really... anything, much as there are cool moments, I mean, it had Tom Hiddleston in it. Problem there is, it undercut's Loki's death in Endgame pretty much immediately after Endgame. And I love Oscar Isaacs too, but Moon Knight was a HARD sell for a series, so I'd likely be cutting that as well.
Start with the "epilogue" movies. such as No Way Home, Falcon and Winter Soldier, Wakanda Forever (DON'T just undo the stuff done in the first movie), Thor L&T (Take Movie Seriously), WandaVision finale goes straight to Multiverse of Madness, finish up with Incredible Hulk movie with Genius Hulk realizing how badly the world needs the Avengers reformed, romance with Betsy Ross, conflict with Thunderbolt Ross (foreshadow Thunderbolts here, too), and introduce Jenn (y'know, this time like they want audiences to be excited about her getting her own series).
Essentially from here, you start splitting the MCU into "regions" from Street to Cosmic level with little overlap. Run concurrent series on Disney Plus. For Ms. Marvel and the next gen, you move over to Young Avengers and set them to band up, maybe even making it the West Coast Avengers.
You're brilliant
A few things caused the marvel downfall.
1. Endgame felt like the end
2. The buffet strategy: as fiege said -phase 4 would be like a buffet where you can pick and choose what you want to follow. This made phase 4 aimless. After phase 4 no one knew what marvel was leading up to. There just was no direction.
3. Hubris - with all the success they had a “we can do no wrong” and just kept green lighting more and more (more than doubling their release) without thinking of how to connect it all.
4. Then a big one is bad luck. The death of Chadwick Boseman, Jonathan majors being found guilty. As well as what ever other things came up.
5. Even up to endgame marvel movies felt like an event. Now it’s just another thing. They would blame it on superhero fatigue, but it’s mainly because nothing seems connected and none of it feels like it’s leading up to something big.
Which is the biggest problem, none of it felt like it was leading anywhere
Kind of like they saw how they over looked the shows (the Netflix shows, agents of shield, etc) and went “it worked last time, let’s have the movies and shows overlook themselves”
I wish they stuck with the original ending for quantum mania - the one where scott is trapped in the quantum realm and the signal in Shang chi is him
the fact is, in between 2008 to 2019(10 years), the amount of watch hours was "X" let's say..
then, in between 2019 to 2024,(5yrars )this watchtime became "2X"
Hiring writers with a few tv episodes to their credits to write 300 million dollar movies, and hiring directors with a handful of 500 thousand dollar documentaries to their credits to direct 300 million dollar movies was also part of the problem.
I applaud this video. Extremely well done.
Brilliant Documentary on this, Captain America civil war is what caused the infighting that ruins a lot of relationships.
this video is so well done!!! i loved it :)
Thanks for the support!
Here's what happened......Disney went WOKE, Marvel went BROKE. I'm grateful I was able to share the MCU universe with my daughters from Ironman to Endgame. Now, when my older daughters see a Marvel movie, they can't stand them.
Do you know what's annoying? When critics see Marvel projects fail, they blame Disney. When X-Men '97 succeed, they don't believe it's Disney's doing.
The Marvel Fandom > MCU when it comes to being in shambles😂
XMen 97 succedd cuz they based it on old show, (Succedd for some people who blindly love anything connected to old series and cant see downgrades in new ones, not for me because it was full of social messages and personality changes, censorship to females, frozen movie face animations, and bad shading of characters that cannot intereact with environment and lighting) Disney only get love when they revive old characters etc or when they base a story on old characters like ironman, or old shows like 1992 xmen tas, so disney is right to be blamed still. We saw if disney could do anything good without bringing wolverine back or tobey back or putting captain or ironman or thor that were before Disney bought marvel. All those ethernals etc were nothing.
they seem to forget spiderman no way home made up the spiderverse and deleted it within 3 hours
they seem to forget that brilliant origin stories like Shang chi exist, and Loki(one of the best web series). it all existed in the same time frame.
@@Ericaandmaci agree with your point here. i feel if Disney makes a woke spiderman animated show like this xmen thing, we may even start to hate spiderman.
imagine a multiversal story of spiderman under Disney where gwen gets to be the lead character and the girl boss who teaches miles and Peter what to do. and, to add to the wound, Peter B Parker is gay in this universe and that's why MJ left him.
and Harry is gay for Peter, eddie brock wears lipstick, doctor octopus is a female lesbian
@@godson200 I didnt like nowayhome too, it was full of illogicality, how can dr. octopus exist if greengoblin doesnt die, or how can peter say MJ he is spiderman if dr octopus didnt kidnap mj. So it ruined all raimi story timeline. They take different characters of same universe from different sub-universes and if they heal all of them then those events will never happen and spiderman will have no villian or personal development, it has so many illogicalities. Its story was almost like done by a kid without thinking these contradictions.
the irony of getting a marvel snap ad when starting to watch this video, after watching a video about personalised ads is actually crazy
Marvel is on their comeback now with Deadpool and Wolverine, Venom 3 coming out this October, Avengers: Doomsday coming out on 2026, and Avengers: Secret Wars coming out on 2027
8:25 that snap is just for the end Marvel
😂😂
And then.....DEADPOOL AND WOLVERINE!! 😅
Which changed NOTHING
Who came after Deadpool&Wolverine and Rdj comeback
8:33 There is a point. Money.
Let me put it this way
MCU before and until Endgame: Naruto and Naruto Shippuden
MCU after Endgame: Boruto
Endgame was the best avengers movie imo really miss it but ur right after endgame everything is likke boruto
MCU before Endgame: brilliant at worst
MCU during Endgame: Marvel at its best
MCU after Endgame: wasted
Just my personal thoughts
@@noobmaster69426 True
It is hilarious how the new Falcon movie with Red Hulk still can't get over Steve
Finally they made a good movie with deadpool
IKR 😃🔥💯
not that good tho. it's still deadpool with the stupid stupid jokes
@@tomasbeltran04050 thats what deadpool character design is
@@kanamarlapudivishal-iiitk2748 a bad design indeed. can't make sweet out of salt
@@tomasbeltran04050 if you know the comics, he's like that never really serious, because he knows that he's a fictional character in a comic book
Have you seen Loki? Best version of Kang. Follows a lot of your points including the last one.
Jonathan Majors as Kang was so good and S1 of Loki too, but sadly, that S2 was a trash especially the final. Marvel kill Loki again by stuck him in a tree, because of another strong woman to show SJW propaganda
@@lilokiola9525 ???? I'm Republican but the whole point was that the show was about Loki.
He is the strongest character for making that sacrifice. I can't imagine choosing to be stuck somewhere to save everyone else. That was one of the strongest things he could have possibly done.
@@theAstarrrIm so confused on what he meant lol
5:50 Excuse me. The Ten Rings is the name of the organization that kidnapped Tony in the first Iron man. Like it said in Shung Chi. They were working in the background.
I’m glad you see that bro. Clearly the other people in these comments and not Marvel fans like you and I.
@Juicekid99999 I watch a lot of videos about the Easter eggs. That's why I know. I need to do a LOT mire research but what I learn... I tend to remember well.
Why not X-Force; X-Factor; Silver Surfer; World Breaker Hulk; 8th Day Juggernaut; Sinister....and countless other one off series that lead into sequels.😎
Robert Downey Jr. is the reason for the MCU's rise and fall.
So many fans are there like myself were just excited to see new stories and heroes after endgame. If they had provided the same powerful backstory and strength to the characters(and not destroy already loved characters like thor, dr strange, fury etc) people would've still enjoyed it. Even if they somehow bring back tony I'm afraid they will make him do stupid stuff. That's what they did to so many characters.
When I think about Marvel’s fall, I remember this quote from a job I had a long time ago;
“Never compromise quality for speed”
Wokeness and greed are the only 2 things that killed the MCU
😂
greed, yes. not "wokeness" or whatever though
Captain America turned into Joe Biden.
😂😂
💀💀💀
Damn u got the point
Great video cinelumi :]
The point of this video feels like a Rant on the current situation due to nostalgia
My exact thoughts!!!! I also believe that the big down fall is related to the death of Stan Lee
Started when Kirby died
Your video story telling is amazing ❤
RDJ as Tony Stark/Victor Von Doom enters the chat:
I
Am
Doom!!!
Next Video::: How Marvel Saved Itself
I don't think RDJ means instant save for Marvel. I love the actor but I wish he wasn't in this.
lol I don’t think this decision is going to save marvel.. I think it’s a stupid decision tbh, as much as I want marvel to return to its former glory
buddy thinks movies gets only good by good cast lol
MARVEL is far from over. In 2 years you’ll be talking about how MARVEL re-invented itself. 😂😂😂😂
Nah the MCU is so screwed particularly next year. It’s fallen so hard, it’s not even funny. In another 2 years time, the world will not care about the MCU
whatsoever 😂
i just came back from deadpool & wolverine. i think what's missing is actual fans who grew up with the comics, who wore the costumes to school, who remember watching captain america 1990 aren't the ones writing and producing. and even if i'm wrong, they aren't very rebellious or conscientious writers. the actors they have hired for these roles are all well cast, but the new mcu relies too heavily on big names to make up for passionless stories. there's no more passion in the main mcu and we can all tell.
Another issue is convenience in storytelling and the same formula. People eventually got tired
Like how a little kid building forts in their house starts building quantum tunnels in her spare time in the basement, a few years later?
After Stan Lee died, there was no more oversight
How’s this video so well produced? Keep up the good work! I was shocked to know that this channel is still new and the video quality so high!