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I like their wire management design on this battery. I’d say that one cell will right itself soon enough. If you charge the pack up to 57v or so and keep it there for a while, that will likely help.
Wow, Great job. I have a 230Ah server rack and could barely lift it from the ground to the back of my truck alone. It is a great video covering the communication with different inverters. Thanks
Hey Adam, hope all is well! Long time haha - glad to see you're still pushing the community further. I am still rocking the dual Victrons and DIY 48V/280AH battery pack as a standby basement power source...been killer but fortunately (or unfortunately cause I really wanna test it out lol) havent needed it often since installing this time last year.
Yeah it has been a while! Like yours, my Victron system has been running strong and steady! Some additional capacity might help adding some more loads...we'll see. Sounds like you need to just flip the switch and run off the Victron full-time. Just let the system decide if it needs to switch back to grid power.
@@AdamDeLay07 haha I would but the system is charged monthly via grid - it only cycles once a month and stays in float down to about 70%. Solar panels to keep it going 24/7 in MD are still nuts compared to other places. My goal is to transition this system to the future house as a detach garage or carport solar/battery charging for plug-in hybrid/EV and have a proper solar system professionally installed and ground mounted for the house.
@@JMS7410- Gotcha. Yeah, I understand all to well about how expensive solar panels are...plus you have to have the real-estate to put them up. At least you have something ready for those warm-weather storms!
We have one of those albeit a 100ah I replaced the bms to a JK-bms and a Peter board (info on Andy’s off grid) So much info from the battery and control of balancing also integrated into home assistant, reason was so I can remotely monitor in detail the battery working a treat, they are a great battery even with the pace bms.
I like big breaker, double terminals and overall build quality. The only thing I would replace is the PACE BMS with the new JK Inverter BMS - the communication boards are the same, probably the balance connectors are the same too, it would need to solve the BMS mounting with internal BMS wiring and who would want to solve the holes and mounting of a small or larger JK display.
Nice review as always! As somebody who uses Victron equipment and different battery manufactures for multiple battery banks on the same system. My question is, are you checking all your batteries using separate Victron shunts like I do? I’ve tried inputting my 300 amp hours, 200 from the Battle Born Batteries and 100 from the SOK batteries. Unfortunately they don’t seem to show up properly on my Victron Quattro 5000. It doesn’t seem much of a problem when it goes to zero on the amp hours reading on the inverter, because I guess it’s using the Victron shunts for that. Perhaps you don’t have multiple battery banks?
Thanks! No I only have the one shunt. I may use the battery communications just to "see" the other packs in the VRM but I'll use the shunt as the end-all SOC value. This is my first non-DIY battery pack that I've added to my system.
I like this battery build its very clean, and great value for money. I am howver, not a fan of the Pace BMS. I have two Rosen Solar Batteries here which also use Pace BMS' and thier cells get out of ballance constantly. I am in fact about to upgrade the BMS' to the JK Inverter BMS' which have 2amp active balancers built in to solve the issue I have had with my Rosen batteries. One note on the DIP switch settings of the PaceBMS, when you only have 1 battery installed, you can set the Dip switch to any value, it makes no difference. However if you have two or more PaceBMS' in parrarel, the master battery has to be set to zero (all DIp switches off) and each slave set to any other uneque value. Also the RS485 of the internal battery communications (the two most right ports) the Master to the first slave goes from port1 on the master to port0 on the slave (port0 on the master must be empty), then if you have a 2nd slave you go port1 on slave1 to port0 on slave2 etc (for a maximum of 16 batteries in parrell). if you get this setup wrong, nothing communicates properly. Also beaware in a parrareled situation the Cebro GX only communicates with the Master BMS, the settings in the slave BMS' have no impact on charging or discharging. I hope that helps take care Duncan
Another great video :) I had a 8 cell battery that one battery constantly reached an earlier discharge point compared to the others. I found out that that one cell was 10ah lower than the bank. I had to Charge each cell to 3.5 and then it was balanced. This could be what is causing the under capacity you are getting.
Yea, might be just one cell with less capacity...usually those cells should be capacity mached...but when they come back together on a full charge, there is now issue, using that battery for 10+ years
From your video, it sounds like it's user serviceable. I know it will be many years later but can we save money if just replace all the cells ourselves on this Orient battery once those cells are exhausted? The only other server rack battery that I understand is user serviceable is the SOK 48 Volt 100 Amp server rack battery or the Basen Green one.
I can't recall if it's specifically marketed as "user serviceable" or not but it wouldn't be bad to fix if you're outside the warranty period. Yeah you could definitely save money by sourcing your own cells after the ones that came in the battery are depleted/unusable. Should be a VERY long time before that happens though. The cycle life is down to 80% depth of discharge meaning once you reach the cycle life listed in the manual, you should still have 80% capacity remaining in your battery.
Great content. I might use this in a business where I have a chassis jack I can use. At home, I will stick to 100 pounds or less. I twitch when I see rings around active components. I've been bitten a few times with hot (both senses) surfaces.
I've actually seen a lot of these server rack style batteries "recommend" .2C as the standard charge rate. I'm assuming the thinking is that less charging stress will lengthen it's lifetime? Just a guess though. Ultimately if you have multiple batteries in parallel, the charge current is spread across all of them so it's less of an issue.
@@AdamDeLay07 That's it exactly - extending the life of the battery. It doesn't mean you can't charge with higher currents, just that you be pushing towards the nominal lifespan of the battery as you get to the recommended max which is usually 50% and eating into the nominal lifespan if you do higher than that. It's part of the reason we see the quite high cycle life on many cells these days, that and of course deception and outright lies in the cheapies.
The weight is the only downside I see; 100lbs is the about the max for me, anything more than that it gets challenging to move it around and even more dangerous if dropped.
Yeah, depending on where you have to put the battery, it can be difficult to move around. A dolly works great if you can keep it on the ground but if you have to lift it up, it gets troublesome.
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I like their wire management design on this battery. I’d say that one cell will right itself soon enough. If you charge the pack up to 57v or so and keep it there for a while, that will likely help.
That's kinda what I'm hoping.
You have a good understanding of batteries👍
Get one for testing?
Nice review, glad to see you adding some capacity, I have 2 of thier 100ah and they both show over 100ah full cap, have worked well for over a year.
Thanks Lee! Glad to hear their 100Ah batteries are working well for you!
Wow, Great job. I have a 230Ah server rack and could barely lift it from the ground to the back of my truck alone. It is a great video covering the communication with different inverters. Thanks
Thanks! Things a beast!
Thank you for the video, Adam. Alway’s enjoy how detailed you are.
I appreciate that! Thank you!
The video is very detailed. Worth like👍
Hey Adam, hope all is well! Long time haha - glad to see you're still pushing the community further. I am still rocking the dual Victrons and DIY 48V/280AH battery pack as a standby basement power source...been killer but fortunately (or unfortunately cause I really wanna test it out lol) havent needed it often since installing this time last year.
Yeah it has been a while!
Like yours, my Victron system has been running strong and steady! Some additional capacity might help adding some more loads...we'll see.
Sounds like you need to just flip the switch and run off the Victron full-time. Just let the system decide if it needs to switch back to grid power.
@@AdamDeLay07 haha I would but the system is charged monthly via grid - it only cycles once a month and stays in float down to about 70%. Solar panels to keep it going 24/7 in MD are still nuts compared to other places. My goal is to transition this system to the future house as a detach garage or carport solar/battery charging for plug-in hybrid/EV and have a proper solar system professionally installed and ground mounted for the house.
@@JMS7410- Gotcha. Yeah, I understand all to well about how expensive solar panels are...plus you have to have the real-estate to put them up. At least you have something ready for those warm-weather storms!
You can take 1 as a standard reference for DIY project.
We have one of those albeit a 100ah I replaced the bms to a JK-bms and a Peter board (info on Andy’s off grid)
So much info from the battery and control of balancing also integrated into home assistant, reason was so I can remotely monitor in detail the battery working a treat, they are a great battery even with the pace bms.
Damn! Batteries are getting huge these days!!
I like big breaker, double terminals and overall build quality.
The only thing I would replace is the PACE BMS with the new JK Inverter BMS - the communication boards are the same, probably the balance connectors are the same too, it would need to solve the BMS mounting with internal BMS wiring and who would want to solve the holes and mounting of a small or larger JK display.
Nice review as always!
As somebody who uses Victron equipment and different battery manufactures for multiple battery banks on the same system.
My question is, are you checking all your batteries using separate Victron shunts like I do? I’ve tried inputting my 300 amp hours, 200 from the Battle Born Batteries and 100 from the SOK batteries. Unfortunately they don’t seem to show up properly on my Victron Quattro 5000. It doesn’t seem much of a problem when it goes to zero on the amp hours reading on the inverter, because I guess it’s using the Victron shunts for that.
Perhaps you don’t have multiple battery banks?
Thanks!
No I only have the one shunt. I may use the battery communications just to "see" the other packs in the VRM but I'll use the shunt as the end-all SOC value.
This is my first non-DIY battery pack that I've added to my system.
I like this battery build its very clean, and great value for money. I am howver, not a fan of the Pace BMS. I have two Rosen Solar Batteries here which also use Pace BMS' and thier cells get out of ballance constantly. I am in fact about to upgrade the BMS' to the JK Inverter BMS' which have 2amp active balancers built in to solve the issue I have had with my Rosen batteries. One note on the DIP switch settings of the PaceBMS, when you only have 1 battery installed, you can set the Dip switch to any value, it makes no difference. However if you have two or more PaceBMS' in parrarel, the master battery has to be set to zero (all DIp switches off) and each slave set to any other uneque value. Also the RS485 of the internal battery communications (the two most right ports) the Master to the first slave goes from port1 on the master to port0 on the slave (port0 on the master must be empty), then if you have a 2nd slave you go port1 on slave1 to port0 on slave2 etc (for a maximum of 16 batteries in parrell). if you get this setup wrong, nothing communicates properly. Also beaware in a parrareled situation the Cebro GX only communicates with the Master BMS, the settings in the slave BMS' have no impact on charging or discharging. I hope that helps take care Duncan
Another great video :) I had a 8 cell battery that one battery constantly reached an earlier discharge point compared to the others. I found out that that one cell was 10ah lower than the bank. I had to Charge each cell to 3.5 and then it was balanced. This could be what is causing the under capacity you are getting.
Thanks! That's interesting. I'll have to take a look at that!
It comes from your experience. That's a good reminder.
EG4 wall mount indoor battery is about the same price but much better looking form factor.
Yea, might be just one cell with less capacity...usually those cells should be capacity mached...but when they come back together on a full charge, there is now issue, using that battery for 10+ years
From your video, it sounds like it's user serviceable.
I know it will be many years later but can we save money if just replace all the cells ourselves on this Orient battery once those cells are exhausted?
The only other server rack battery that I understand is user serviceable is the SOK 48 Volt 100 Amp server rack battery or the Basen Green one.
I can't recall if it's specifically marketed as "user serviceable" or not but it wouldn't be bad to fix if you're outside the warranty period.
Yeah you could definitely save money by sourcing your own cells after the ones that came in the battery are depleted/unusable. Should be a VERY long time before that happens though. The cycle life is down to 80% depth of discharge meaning once you reach the cycle life listed in the manual, you should still have 80% capacity remaining in your battery.
@@AdamDeLay07 Thank you greatly.
Great content. I might use this in a business where I have a chassis jack I can use. At home, I will stick to 100 pounds or less.
I twitch when I see rings around active components. I've been bitten a few times with hot (both senses) surfaces.
OMG！You should pay attention to safety when using it.
50A recommended charge current is too low why? That's like charging a lead acid battery usual 0.2C
I've actually seen a lot of these server rack style batteries "recommend" .2C as the standard charge rate. I'm assuming the thinking is that less charging stress will lengthen it's lifetime? Just a guess though.
Ultimately if you have multiple batteries in parallel, the charge current is spread across all of them so it's less of an issue.
@@AdamDeLay07 That's it exactly - extending the life of the battery. It doesn't mean you can't charge with higher currents, just that you be pushing towards the nominal lifespan of the battery as you get to the recommended max which is usually 50% and eating into the nominal lifespan if you do higher than that. It's part of the reason we see the quite high cycle life on many cells these days, that and of course deception and outright lies in the cheapies.
@@retrozmachine1189 Thanks for confirming!
@@retrozmachine1189 Great science of battery use tips!
0.2C-1C is all ok. But suggested 0.2C if it is not hurry
The weight is the only downside I see; 100lbs is the about the max for me, anything more than that it gets challenging to move it around and even more dangerous if dropped.
Yeah, depending on where you have to put the battery, it can be difficult to move around. A dolly works great if you can keep it on the ground but if you have to lift it up, it gets troublesome.
Ahh, taking the plastic off a screen/controls. Total ASMR moment.
Such a good feeling! 😄
Aha, you are very enjoy the process of video.
I have 4 of the 100ah batteries. I might sell them an switch to these
I have 4 12v 230ah bats wired 48v.There 45 lbs each
They weren’t $3k OUCH
Good review, sounds like you need to pump some iron 😂
Thanks!
I'll just start bench pressing batteries...🤣
LOL！
Being able to run my rack for 11 hours off grid would be amusing but probably not practical. 😅
Guess it depends on if it’s mission critical or not… 😁
Dude, bruh...you really need another person to handle this mf, you gonna hurt yourself