Did Noone see the kid buu/ majin buu saga or read the Moro Ark in dbz? Goku basically already defeated luffy. Kid buu is a gumball that can regenerate, stretch his body like luffy and can even throw his body parts to absorb anyone instantly, use magic to turn them into candy and he can destroy multiple planets with ease. he also stole gokus instant transmission wich is even more terrifying. Moro is crazy too, he uses Magic at a high level, can eat planets for power and even steal Fighters abilities and power and use them against them and both of them still lost against goku how is this even a debate?🙅🧢🐐🐐🐐💯😎
Don’t mind me, i’m just lost Zoro… who broke the 4th wall… making youtube videos. Don’t forget to spam/ share this to anyone in the comment sections saying logia’s can’t be harmed.
It took master Roshi 50 years to make Kamehameha, and goku copied it as a kid easily, so if it took LUFFY only 2 years to get haki can goku copy it? Idk it’s just a question
@@Randomejdndudn8k292Goku wouldn’t even need Haki to beat Luffy. The only time Luffy would be able to beat Goku is if they met as they both were in chapter 1 of their respective stories. (Talking about end of chapter 1 for Luffy)
Luffy has more than just the ability to turn things into rubber as it was stated that the gum gum fruit wasn't actually the gum gum fruit but the zoan fruit model god Nika which is the sun god. We see luffy do far more than just turn things into rubber as he created goggles out of nothing. Now I'm not defending people who say he solos goku and the dbz verse I'm just saying that he's a lot stronger and has a lot more abilities than you're implying
yo mad respect for dropping this video one piece fans will do anything to make there fav character win there also one guy who says buggy vs bm naruto is debatable but yeah i’m glad you cleared that up because every debate i ever had the just say some bullshit like gear 5 solos fiction and that is mad frustrating especially when they say he has toon force without knowing the truth about what reality warping is
Op fan here and I’d agree with a lot of this. My one point of contention is pre time skip we as readers never saw haki depicted cause we were unaware it existed. Akinu a admiral should have haki which let him hit WB same as squard he was a commander. But I agree the scale is much lower overall in one piece than other verses.
No, whitebeard was a Haki user but in the war he mostly relied upon the Devil fruit, because in his old age with multiple organ failures and heart attacks his Haki is weakened so much that it's only going to tire him up faster hence he relied upon devil fruit in that war. A prime whitebeard easily solos the Marineford war with his haki alone
In a way goku's power can be considered imagination aswell, being able to completely destroy multiple universe's at once, speed insanity couldnt even comprehend, and techniques basically from the imagination(insta transmission, ultra instinct, and the spirit bomb). Fair to say goku is a little goofy himself.
Yes, he can’t reality warp, he matter warps, he can use his creation and wipe people out of existence, if he could do that he’d have found the one piece already, his freedom is him making everything else like him, rubber.
@@Randomejdndudn8k292 that isn’t a thing 💀💀 and it was said he reality warps in road to laugh tale, if he can only control matter than why are the gorosei trying to kill him and get the fruit
Let me rephrase this, his version of reality warping is more of matter warping, we haven’t seen him rip dimension or anything but we will just have to wait.@@Sponge_bob139
some having the ability to do damage doesn't mean they can also withstand said damage. Think of a gun, when yo shot someone with a powerful gun it blows giant holes in them but yet it doesn't do the same thing to your hand.
AS A REAL ANIME FAN I RESPECT LUFFY MORE THEN ANYONE AND HE ALSO SLAMES +SOLO GOKU VERSE DUE TO HIS GREAT POWERS AND REAILTY MANIPULATION BECAUSE THIS REAILTY WARPING DOESN'T HAVE ANY LIMITS MANGA AUR ANIME CLEARLY MENTIONED IT LUFFY IS COMPLETELY INDESTRUCTIBLE IN GEAR 5 THAT ALSO PROVEN AND REAL LOGICAL FACTS BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY PEOPLE DEFENDS GOKU AND DISRESPECT THE TRUE REALITY.
if it exists in any form even from the afterlife or whatever realm... Goku can erase it. done. but not even Goku what is Luffy using to turn things into rubber and then use his imagination to mold it into whatever he wants? is it just the devil fruit? is it energy of any kind? because I'm almost certain Vegeta's spirit fission can negate any fighter in One piece and render them useless.
Well One Piece fans are known for being the most annoying and delusional fandom in anime🤷♂That's why👀I am glad I dropped that shit years ago and got into batter anime✨
it all comes down to Energy. even Reality benders have to get their energy source from somewhere some use the universe as energy source some utilize their own energy source. Hax is just a term use for abilities that people have yet to come up with limits but they do exist just the creator never really tells us.
This is going to be controversial but if speed was equalized some Avatar/TLOK characters could harm or counter a logia user. Bending vs Logias 1) Gas fruit and Smoke fruit A skilled airbender should be able to control their bodies when they are in their elemental forms. 2) Flame Fruit A skilled firebender should be able to control the body of this fruit user while in elemental form. 3) Sand Fruit ,Stone Fruit ( Pica's fruit ), and Magma Fruit A skilled Earthbender should be able to control their bodies when they are in their elemental forms. In addition, the benders should be to soldify magma into obsidian, sand into stone, and do the opposite to the stone fruit. Logias vs The Avatar As you all know the Avatar can bend all four elements so all the things I said before applies. In the avatar state all these logias are getting wrecked, all except the light fruit. Logia vs The Spirits This is were the light logia will start facing problem. As you there are spirits in Avatar which vary in strength. By using Hapi's logic any spirit should be able to touch or harm a logia user. PLEASE DONT CRUCIFY ME ONE PIECE FANS I'M JUST COME WITH THE FACTS
Claiming a character who is planetary can block or can only be harmed by planetary attacks is bullshit as we see goku nearly be killed by a tiny ring Lazer which is now way planetary otherwise great video and I 100% agree with everything else stated
Some issues with the video... -Luffy is already a rubberman, Gear 5 is partly about rubberizing other people and objects. -Whitebeard was literally not using Haki when he got hit by regular attacks. -Goku has KI, NOT Haki. -Naruto has chakra, NOT Haki -Ichigo has spiritual pressure, NOT Haki -Just because they have strong wills, doesn't mean they have Haki, Haki is a very specific phenomenon that are not demonstrated by the other three. - Spiritual energy is NOT the same thing as Haki, you cannot manifest it the same way you can Haki meaning they are distinctively different, similar maybe but not the same. -
though there was two thing's that Luffy did which maybe Toon Force but it's SUCH A LOW LEVEL I'm not claiming luffy bugs bunny because let's be real here he ain't one piece is not a Cartoon or gag Manga anyways these two feats is one in the kaido fight luffy without even trying to his crew and momo where effected by his Toon force and has the you know goofy three eyes thing happen to them and lastly Luffy created Goggle from his afro those are two thing which may imply it but like I said he can''t do anything on some Bugs bunny Shit people claiming that are being outlandish also a Certain one piece theory does say that long ring long land was caused by joyboy take that as you will luffy maybe have the potential with that theory to alter a Landscape to where animal and being stretch due to there freedom and that small gag with the crew just going paper but none the less take that as you will
He can, gear 5 neg diffed kaido, kaido did not land a single hit on gear 5, luffy threw kaido around like a tennis ball, yet people still say luffy loses to someone like kaido, baryon mode, Naruto’s strongest form, does not have any shadow clones, and it only lasts for 1-10 min, luffy is star level or solar system level Naruto is planetary or multi planetary, people are saying luffy cannot turn imagination into reality, he did against rob lucci when they fought for the 2nd time on chapter 1069, we haven’t seen gear 5 go all out, we have seen baryon mode and sage of six paths mode go all out, even if luffy does not go all out he still wins, oda confirmed that luffy beats Naruto, I proved he could turn imagination into reality so he can beat naruto, both characters are MFTL without a doubt, but luffyy overall I would say is a little faster than Naruto
@@Sponge_bob139 if you even think luffy is planetary you have not watched one piece i don't know where do you get this idea and Naruto didn't even need to bation mode to defeat luffy he can defeat luffy in base form
@@Sponge_bob139 oda never said that and you think those pirates are even comparable to otsutsuki the person that thinks luffy is star level doesn't know a thing about power scaling
Saying that “goku dosnt have haki” is like saying that “luffy dosnt have ki” which would mean that luffy would be dead since ki is life force. No life force, no life, so goku wins instantly
in no way I am saying that Logias are invincible or that there aren't hax out there that could kill them and I do agree Goku can solo OP. but saying that Naruto or Ichigo haki because dumb verse equalisation is stupid. remember when Jugo with sage chakra could not touch or hurt Suigetsu ( a guy who can turn his body into water *at will*) or remember in the can't fear your own world novels where. Aura Michibane a woman who can turn her body into mist *at will* fought Shuhei where shuhei used Bakudo spells and even his zanpaktou was ineffective when Aura was in her mist form. logias are always there element
Is not just spiritual energy and physical energy are only type of chakrs, you have also sage energy which is type of chakra abobe the normal chakra and evek beijus chakra which also different, and you six path chakra and six path sage chakra which are wayyy above any type of chakra. And i want to mention juubidara or even obito or any six path sage user can not affect him with spiritual energy
@Hapi 117 tecnhically you can argue one piece (physically) stronger than dbz base goku and faster than dragonball goku if you believe goku just reached faster than lightning speeds after the king piccolo arc and use dbz base goku struggling with forty tons and dbs ssj vegeta can't lift magneto who is only 1000 tons. but in terms of ap/dc is luffy attacks even moon lvl bro?
Luffy still is limited by the belief that he ate Gum Gum fruit, so he himself is limiting his abilities Second, Oda develops story relatively slowly, for example KCM mode, Sage model, Baryon mode, MUI they all came and went by, there is really nothing left to further explain them, but Gear 5 is just starting Shouldn't these things also be considered?
comparing one of the most powerful fictional characters to somebody who is just made of rubber and has toon force for his final form basically means you’re a loser that’s if you say Luffy wins
Goku can literally defy nomologics just from being more powerful than an opponent for example vegito being turned into a candy ball BUT STILL beating buuhan 😂
I have a few things to write about some claims and statements in this video but I'd have to go through the video to do so which would take a while, so I'll shorten it and have you ask me things in order to understand my reasoning. They would not need Haki, but if they ever wanted to use it, they could do it far faster than Luffy as they are greater prodigious geniuses than him (Especially Goku [Referring to the Big 3]). Ki = Haki more than any other of the power sources in the Big 3 besides Haki itself. I believe Akainu was using Haki against WB while WB had no ability to use Haki due to his sickness, feel free to correct me if I am mistaken. Goku's dimensionality >> Luffy's hacks. DB characters, when being physically, mentally and spiritually stronger transcend their opponent to the point of invincibility, meaning Goku wouldn't be affected. Dura Neg, Existence Erasure on the Conceptual Level, Energy Projection, Massive Speed Blitzing, Physically Stronger, Stronger Will, Stronger Spirit, Adaptive Learning/Visual Learning (Near Instantaneously), Transforming, etc. You can't possibly get any more of a stomp.
Hey hold up. I really like One Piece but there's no way in hell that they are defeating even saiyan saga vegeta. Luffy's semi Toon Force is not the same as an actual GAG character (He lacks the feats) That's why he was having some problems fighting Kaido and currently it's happening the same vs Kizaru. Namek saga SSJ Goku is a multi star level being. DBS Base Goku would probably solo the entire canon DBZ.
If Naruto and Ichigo have Haki since it's Spiritual Energy, that means Royal Haki is equal to the Spiritual Pressure released by characters in Bleach This means that Luffy can defeat any character in Naruto with royal haki that destroys the soul and sometimes the body, as it appeared in the manga when Aizen erased a person only with his spiritual pressure, and Luffy can release spiritual pressure since it is a spiritual force, and Luffy can release it as in Bleach characters.
Equalization doesn't work like that. It has to be similar on fundamental levels instead of 'this freezes you', 'this also freezes you', 'i can erase you from existence because one has the other'. They are still different in the end, there is simply specific aspects to be and to not be shared using COMMON SENSE.
After a day of being a nerd and arguing with op fans (I’m a op fan too) this video actually made me so happy lmao I was getting that argument so much lmao
ive got one thing to say about his haki statements its not a passive, you actually have to keep it on for the duration, which could explain why the old whitebeard faltered in his haki. secondly, akainu can use haki with his magma attacks thanks to imbuement which allows you to add your haki to literally anything including magma. it can also be implied if you think that aokiji and akainu fought for days with both harming the other, but aokiji has no logical way to harm akainu if he cant imbue his ice with haki. Third off you forgot about the advanced tiers of armourment haki that actually dont let you get touched by any attacks.
@@zedvlad7305 learn to scale. Naruto is at least planetary to star level. Nobody in one piece is even planetary.... Naruto is fodder too anyways. Ichigo is the daddy of the big 3 and folds one piece and narutos verses at the same time.
@@simonthedigger3490 Bruh OP is easy Planetary and Naruto is nowhere near star lvl we can Debate on dis, sungodsolo and not every thing is about AP Luffy is also way faster
@@PrimeEdits179 haki is just as basic as any spiritual essence requires training but if there is a specific way than a character can just use it if there is something that has those same properties that is the thing about verse equalization.
the concept of no limits falacy is in itself a falacy since anything is possible in fiction. It in itself is inconvient when you want to use for pitting two characters who likely will never meet against each other in a hypothetical matchup. If two supposedly infinitely powerful characters are pitted you should concede its a draw or at the very least come up with better reason reason one will win other than power or strength. If it only comes down power its unimaginitive and boring. For instance, if the rules of the opm universe basic imply saitama is invincible, he should be unbeatable, and goku's universe implies he can eventually overcome any opponent, then its most likely is that. In my mind,these two characters are incompatible with each other an can't exist in the same place at the same time. Because both aspects of saitama's invincibility contradicts goku's ability to eventually overcome him. You remove those concepts from these characters from them, but by doing so they stop being what makes them their respective characters, especially saitama since his character is defined as such from the beginning. Also, them defining luffy's powers as limited by imagination can mean anything. It just means potential which may never be realized and thus power can be all over the place and you can not pin down power in any way.
Lol luffy is weak because DC characters in Dragon ball characters are just to strong I mean marvel is strong to but DC is just on another level the people that read comics knows😂😂😂😂😂💯 oh in nice video bro keep it up.
Luffy does have toon force even tho people say he doesn’t he does bc we know how toon force works it’s character who can manipulate things in reality and bypassing the physics of law and not that if you read the manga luffy turn his hair into glasses while fighting rob lucci in his awakened form and not that but it’s also said that luffy is limited to his imagination well that’s a person who doesn’t have that much of imagination but that’s bc luffy hasn’t mastered his true power yet bc luffy gear five we haven’t seen what he can really do yet with this new power luffy but if you read the manga the fruit it self talks control over the users mind and luffy hasn’t took control of gear five that’s why we see him alway laughing and bouncing around and not just that but it’s people who can manipulate things into reality like how luffy turn the ground into rubber and how luffy can turn any object into rubber that’s the same as toon force and also we haven’t seen luffy at his full potential with this new power of his and we know if joy boy was the strongest back in his times while having this fruit we halft to know the true power with gear five and it’s said that whatever luffy thinks of like you said luffy is limited to his imagination but that limit is freedom to do whatever he wants and not that but it’s said that whatever luffy thinks of he can turn that into reality how bc his new power at his peak let’s his imagination turn imagination into reality so being that luffy can turn anything into reality and not just that but if he’s able to turn anything into reality by his imagination then we know what he could do and the anime never said and or in the manga it says he does have a limit to his imagination it never said that so that easily proven and even Vega punk speaks about luffy power and how devil fruits work so that’s why we know luffy has room force and also luffy went through kidos eye and you might say well how does that have to do anything with luffy having toon force well then only way you can grab through someone’s eye is by having toon force bc toon force allow character to bypass the physics of laws by being able for example like the road runner how the the dude painted a fake road to a rock but the road runner being able to go through it anyway bc of toon force well that impossible for naruto to do naruto can’t do that and kido can’t and no one can just grab through kidos eyes and freely grab on to his nose and launch him self out of his eyes and that reason is bc that caused by toon force which luffy has toon force
Ooh my god thank you I wish I would of read this before I commented I bet you all these other people in the comments didn’t even read what you wrote most things he said was from he’s ass
Wow I lost braincells while reading that But anyway, first of all, you didn't make sense when you said luffy's power limited by his imagination and fruit controls luffy's mind lol Second of all, we only saw him turning whatever he touches into rubber. So unless he shows any other/better feats with gear 5, we can only assume he only can do that with gear 5(he thinking Goku as his friend and all other things are just bullshit). And about luffy beating other anime characters,. First, Bleach. Since basic attack from shinigami damages soul, any soul reaper who is faster than luffy easily beats(since no one in the OP tanked spiritual attack). Second, Naruto. With enough speed and rasenshuriken, he easily beats, since rasenshuriken dura negs so armament haki doesn't help. A lot of characters from other verses have similar/stronger attacks Don't have to talk about DB, since dimensionality > hax, even low/mid tier DB characters solos OP verse
💀 bro did you watch the video, Hapi whole argument is that he doesn't have toon force RATHER he can turn everything into rubber which is sorta like toon force but no where near as powerful as toon force plus always reread your essays because i really couldn't understand you
@@erenjeager2269 he dummy this is why I tell people read the manga first before commenting yes he did matter of fact display something other than rubber he created goggles out of thin air oooo but this guy happi didn’t mention that right last time I checked those 2 little things on the goggles are glass not rubber the only reason he still using rubber based attacks is because luffy is so dumb he still thinks he has the gum gum fruit once he fully understands he’s power you’ll see more obvious non rubber based attacks
The only thing I disagree with is comparing Chakra and Haki. Chakra has an origin in the Naruto universe. Making it completely different. Like the great Mr.Miyagi and would said “Different but same.”
@@MsBlacknight21 the application of both abilities are different because they dont opertate in the same way. Do you think a haki user can use fire style or Lightning release? The answer is no because Haki doesn't have the same applications as chakra and they do not operate the same because they are different power systems but have similar origins or mindsets. If twp arthors create a power system based on spiritual power, they may sound the same but work differently dependong on the author, so just because they both called spiritual power doesnt mean they have the same application, even if they have similarities. Alot of people think Having chakra will allow you to make contact with a logia but the application of haki that allows you to interact with logias is Armament haki in particular. Until we have a reason why you cant just jump to the assumption that chakra will work simply because you think it operates the same way as armament haki, which is an assumption not facts and this makes things trickyer to scale. Even if we have the argument that you can manipulate the soul, if you need to physically interact with the body of a devil fruit user, your ability wouldnt work brcause you cannot tpuch a logia because they are literally the element they turn into. We could go on for days. Ive heared so many arguments and debates, there so much more We can talk about. But Goku does beat Luffy
No, he has a Mythical Zoan of which converts what he wants to be converted into rubber. Simple Transmutation into a rubbery property. If you mention how his power is only limited by his imagination as stated, using common sense, that'd be applicable to what rubber could do due to Luffy believing his fruit is the Gum Gum No Mi.
Luffy doesn’t have toon force also not to mention there is people with toon force who are like wall level. So toon force is just haks which doesn’t always help. So yea your about right it’s prob just a way to cheat things into rubber or similar to that.
In principle this is nothing special, special for a Zoan, but nothing more. Any Logia user and some Paramecia users can create matter from nothing. Ultimately it is still unknown, it could have been Toon-force, but it is far from being as certain as many make it out to be.
@@AdamsChizzy Luffy doesn't make the glasses out of thin air, he makes them out of his hair. Charlotte Cracker makes entire soldiers, which he can then control all together. Charlotte Perospero also makes all of his candy tools himself. Glasses can also be made out of rubber, especially since Luffy has never needed glasses due to his sea skills, so he wouldn't need lenses. Normal sunglasses don't need a lens, they're just tinted or coated glass, and that works with rubber too.Luffy doesn't make the glasses out of thin air, he makes them out of his hair. Charlotte Cracker makes entire soldiers, which he can then control all together. Charlotte Perospero also makes all of his candy tools herself. Glasses can also be made out of rubber, especially since Luffy has never needed glasses due to his sea skills, so he wouldn't need lenses. Normal sunglasses don't need a lens, they're just tinted or coated glass, and that works with rubber too.
Can you argue something for one piece fans. Id love to hear your opinion on where you think luffy is using a verse you can scale him to. I understand you dont hate one piece but I dont see a video where you scale luffy or try and tell us where he is in terms of power comapred to someone like Naruto and that ends up making me feel like theres a bit of bais. Im a calm and realistic one piece fan so I dont really dick ride so please educate me on where you think he is in terms of power instead of just debunking one puece fans statements.
Luffy can bypass durability with ryuo or gear 5 like he did with kaido by putting a punch shape on kaido like kaido body is made of rubber or luffy bypassing his arms in kaido eyes imagine what he would do to a heart if it was funny
Yeah ryuo was able to bypass durability but it was an outlier when he used it on kaido in gear 4 and it didnt affect him and luffy actually died by kaido because kaido was probably stronger or something(my bad I paid attention to the show and know that's not how haki works🙁)
@@mormalnam5384 I don’t remember the point of me making my comment but you said what I said, ryou was useless because kaido was stronger, what was the point of your comment
This is why anime debaters tho can get unbearable there not biased they use facts, if luffy has toon force (which he does) he has toon force, but if his type of toon force isn’t to be the strongest in fiction then he’s not just goku lv
It’s almost like swimming goggles or aviation goggles aren’t made of rubber and he didn’t “pull rubber from the cloud on his head” and shape them into goggles. Imagine thinking rubber = toon force 🗿
@@Hapi117wouldn’t it just stretch instead? The only proof is his hand being close to his hair which doesn’t actually mean he pulled it out, if he is able to do that then he can pull out every part of his body which should have happened already. In his vivre card it said that he can stretch infinitely therefore you’re completely false and you don’t read the manga
I think it's crazy that people actually think that Goku wouldn't absolutely starch a rubber pirate that's crazy LOL especially since he defeated a gumball already lol. That gumball known as Kid Buu was a menace too. Kid Buu versus Luffy wouldn't even be a fight. they have similar abilities except Kid Buu could turn him into candy and blow up the planet then meet him in the afterlife and eat him again🤣🤣🤣🤣
And how tf are you gonna ignore that luffy didn’t even touch the tree and the tree blew up from the inside out… and the statement for ryou is it by passes defense and destroys you from the inside out… literally says from the inside out
Then why didn’t it blow Kaido’s back out? 🗿Debunked. Didn’t kid naruto blow out a water tank 15 times the size of that tree as a kid? It’s almost asif Naruto has Dura neg like luffy as a kid using braindead logic like that. 🗿🗿
@@Hapi117Simple, Kaido's inner durability was stronger. Let's not forget how Big Mom had taken multiple shocks of high intensity voltages which would've killed anyone other than people stronger. Kaido is obviously stronger than Big Mom in many aspects, so its safe to assume his inner body is (relative/just as strong as/STRONGER than) Linlin's.
also, this statement is pretty pointless against anyone in the Big Three. Dura-neg is a simple factor in the Big Three and can easily be outhealed by the others BESIDES Luffy. Goku's body is enhanced by Ki and his body is also stronger as he gets more serious. His endurance and tenacity will outlast most, if not any internal damage, and that's to say that Luffy's haki COULD bypass Goku's Ki Reinforcement.
God you kept saying it and you're so wrong... White Beard let Squardos stab him, it's LITTERALLY implied seconds after it happened (so funny that you're talking about people not actually reading stuff then making arguments the same way) and the admirals ALL have haki... Like obviously... Akainu murdered ace... Are u dense? "Oh he burns his fire with his lava" yea that makes way more sense than akainu having haki... When ur main argument is "lol white Beard weak" despite it being over half the story ago and you still have to misrepresent him to make your point... Give me the time I spent watching this garbage back...
1. Nothing you said here disproved what I said. The burden of proof is on YOU to prove Whitebeard was capable of destroying a planet. He wasn’t. Show me a manga page where he literally blew up a planet in onepiece? You’re braindead if you believe anyone has and never read the fucking show. Give me back the time I spent reading this dumb as fuck comment Jesus. 2. Akainu wasn’t using Haki. Where was the black hardening? Read the fucking manga for the second fucking time you illiterate Goon. 3. Yeah that makes fucking sense he used magma NOT haki???! Are you that FUCKING DENSE? moron. 4. If he was as strong as people claim him to be, DESPITE being sick… anyone who was using REGULAR attacks should not have pierced his defence. So people harming Whitebeard at marineford wouldn’t scale to whitebeard since he was 1. Sick, and two incapable of defending against attacks despite having the best haki so just because you HAVE haki doesn’t mean you’re beating Goku. Even Whitebeard was harmed. Meaning ANY haki user can be harmed with pure physical or even viral, bacterial sickness could harm a haki user.
WB being able to destroy the work was a Hyperbole on his title as the world's strongest, and even if he did, Old Man WB could not do so without Haki obv nor WOULD he, nor HAS it been shown he could do so.
Ki = Metaphysical Life Energy trained through mental prowess and will. Haki = Metaphysical Life Energy trained through Physical Prowess and Will. Ki and Haki equals out, Goku has near bottomless Ki reserves due to Ki living in all things, of which he subconsciously uses for his attacks and uses it to empower his whole body, basically being coated in Haki. Ki = Stamina through mental prowess which is how they run out, by being mentally and physically fatigued so any rebuttal about that is now debunked retrocausally.
Me: Can Luffy beat Goku?
OP fans: _Yeah, he has the power of imagination_
Me: So can he beat Roger?
OP fans: _Hell no!!_
LMAOO
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To be fair, those are 2 different OP fans, both are different types and levels of STUPID
I don't understand how Goku's gear 5 equivalent is just base observation haki and yet dbz fans still ride him like he's the second coming...
@@Avitarzims are you delusional?
Op fans can use their observation haki to dodge facts and logic
🤣 funniest shxt today
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😂😂😂😂😂 best comment
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This got me 💀
Hapi still a nightmare to the op community 😭😭
Yeah by speaking out he’s ass
@@BashyAnime untrue
@@BashyAnime By speaking the truth! Begone one piece stan! go back
to the shadows from whence you came! maybe luffy can beat goku there.
@@mr.hazamayukiterumi definitely all of the above
Fax☠️ op fans dont wonna hear the truth. They just want bias opinions
Yea Goku is still busting the whole verse in base
Bro he could that in z 😭
Bruh thats overkill make em fight yamcha instead
Og dragon ball is enough
@@koolstool na 23rd goku need to rely of spaming super kamehameha which ain't one shoting the verse.
@@Coldskin1 bro spamming is I correct. One blast and the verse is gone. Even DKP was planetary, and 23 WT Goku scales way higher
When vegito beat super buu as a chocolate ball bruh what is rubber gonna do
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Definition of hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby
15:15 i would like to point out that wonder women is at least planetary but is affected by piercing weapons like bullets.
Did Noone see the kid buu/ majin buu saga or read the Moro Ark in dbz? Goku basically already defeated luffy. Kid buu is a gumball that can regenerate, stretch his body like luffy and can even throw his body parts to absorb anyone instantly, use magic to turn them into candy and he can destroy multiple planets with ease. he also stole gokus instant transmission wich is even more terrifying. Moro is crazy too, he uses Magic at a high level, can eat planets for power and even steal Fighters abilities and power and use them against them and both of them still lost against goku how is this even a debate?🙅🧢🐐🐐🐐💯😎
Don’t mind me, i’m just lost Zoro… who broke the 4th wall… making youtube videos. Don’t forget to spam/ share this to anyone in the comment sections saying logia’s can’t be harmed.
It took master Roshi 50 years to make Kamehameha, and goku copied it as a kid easily, so if it took LUFFY only 2 years to get haki can goku copy it? Idk it’s just a question
kid goku was literally trained simular to haki by mister popo
Yeah I was just going by op fans idea of goku doesn’t have haki@@Coldskin1
@@Randomejdndudn8k292Goku wouldn’t even need Haki to beat Luffy. The only time Luffy would be able to beat Goku is if they met as they both were in chapter 1 of their respective stories. (Talking about end of chapter 1 for Luffy)
Ah shit . . . Here we go again
the op fanbase , is currently the worst fan base , the amount of one piece fans i have argued over simple and obvious facts is too many to count
Not the worst fanbase but has the worst toxic people in the fanbase except the people who say goku solos.
@@juhabach7922 nah those are usually just trolling one piece fans are being serious
@@jeffjeff9484 not all of them are trolling most that I encountered are serious even tried to argue that goku is boundless
Naruto fans are almost as bad as one piece fans
@@Sponge_bob139 maybe in the past but not now
Luffy has more than just the ability to turn things into rubber as it was stated that the gum gum fruit wasn't actually the gum gum fruit but the zoan fruit model god Nika which is the sun god. We see luffy do far more than just turn things into rubber as he created goggles out of nothing. Now I'm not defending people who say he solos goku and the dbz verse I'm just saying that he's a lot stronger and has a lot more abilities than you're implying
7:00 also its been shown that you can imbue your abilities with haki so this attack could've just been haki fused with magma to make it more hard(😏)
No luffy créat the glasses out of hes hair
Hax ,not power
@@amineouachao4625 ?
He never created goggles out of nothing. Look at the panel again
yo mad respect for dropping this video one piece fans will do anything to make there fav character win there also one guy who says buggy vs bm naruto is debatable but yeah i’m glad you cleared that up because every debate i ever had the just say some bullshit like gear 5 solos fiction and that is mad frustrating especially when they say he has toon force without knowing the truth about what reality warping is
Your talking about midnightdre right?
@@Dagoat_113 Damn right
OP fans are just excited there anime finally got good to watch after 1000 episodes of fluff
Op fan here and I’d agree with a lot of this. My one point of contention is pre time skip we as readers never saw haki depicted cause we were unaware it existed. Akinu a admiral should have haki which let him hit WB same as squard he was a commander. But I agree the scale is much lower overall in one piece than other verses.
Luffy when him along with his verse gets vaporized by Broly as a sperm cell 😢
No, whitebeard was a Haki user but in the war he mostly relied upon the Devil fruit, because in his old age with multiple organ failures and heart attacks his Haki is weakened so much that it's only going to tire him up faster hence he relied upon devil fruit in that war. A prime whitebeard easily solos the Marineford war with his haki alone
A prime WB lose to admirals not holding back
Prove me @@Bruh-wtf-did-i-just-watch
@@Bruh-wtf-did-i-just-watch Do the admirals beat prime roger or prime garp?
@@Iengem dépend on narative
Akainu can
If you mean all both agnaist the 3 admirals the admirals win
@@Bruh-wtf-did-i-just-watch Nah thats actuallly crazy. none of em are touching any of those characters in their prime.
In a way goku's power can be considered imagination aswell, being able to completely destroy multiple universe's at once, speed insanity couldnt even comprehend, and techniques basically from the imagination(insta transmission, ultra instinct, and the spirit bomb). Fair to say goku is a little goofy himself.
He also was able to go gear 5 again at his own will
Yes, he can’t reality warp, he matter warps, he can use his creation and wipe people out of existence, if he could do that he’d have found the one piece already, his freedom is him making everything else like him, rubber.
@@Randomejdndudn8k292 that isn’t a thing 💀💀 and it was said he reality warps in road to laugh tale, if he can only control matter than why are the gorosei trying to kill him and get the fruit
Let me rephrase this, his version of reality warping is more of matter warping, we haven’t seen him rip dimension or anything but we will just have to wait.@@Sponge_bob139
@@Randomejdndudn8k292 oh alr
Ppl were saying to me online that LUFFY was able to destroy dimensions with breaths, I was try8ng ti clarify lol. @@Sponge_bob139
These one piece fans 😂
Hair looking sick man
where we saw luffy battle lucci on egghead we saw him make sunglasses from out of nowhere
He make it from hes hair
Naruto making eyes for Kakashi is better feat
@@Bruh-wtf-did-i-just-watchit would have just stretched instead,if that was the case then all of his body parts would have ripped off
16:50 He would melt Luffy's rubber ass into a Goodyear tire. 🤣
W video
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some having the ability to do damage doesn't mean they can also withstand said damage.
Think of a gun, when yo shot someone with a powerful gun it blows giant holes in them but yet it doesn't do the same thing to your hand.
OP fans start to lose my respect when they come up with the crazy theories. Like DB characters haven’t been casually destroying planets for YEARS
AS A REAL ANIME FAN I RESPECT LUFFY MORE THEN ANYONE AND HE ALSO SLAMES +SOLO GOKU VERSE DUE TO HIS GREAT POWERS AND REAILTY MANIPULATION BECAUSE THIS REAILTY WARPING DOESN'T HAVE ANY LIMITS MANGA AUR ANIME CLEARLY MENTIONED IT LUFFY IS COMPLETELY INDESTRUCTIBLE IN GEAR 5 THAT ALSO PROVEN AND REAL LOGICAL FACTS BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY PEOPLE DEFENDS GOKU AND DISRESPECT THE TRUE REALITY.
Luffy fans do not know goku fight a joke character in dragon ball super fans over hype luffy new form but nice video man
if it exists in any form even from the afterlife or whatever realm... Goku can erase it. done.
but not even Goku what is Luffy using to turn things into rubber and then use his imagination to mold it into whatever he wants? is it just the devil fruit? is it energy of any kind? because I'm almost certain Vegeta's spirit fission can negate any fighter in One piece and render them useless.
Well One Piece fans are known for being the most annoying and delusional fandom in anime🤷♂That's why👀I am glad I dropped that shit years ago and got into batter anime✨
Opm fans dbz naruto demon slayer are all verse and don’t on show because of its fandom 😂 seems pretty unfair to writer don’t u think
@@isaacmybro9570 Ahh I can't understand what your trying to say🤷♂️
@@dragonforce2582double standers
Ok op fans are crazy for sure but you are missing out on peak Shonen rn
One piece>>>>Naruto Bleach and DB in writing imo
@@Sak23017 tru
it all comes down to Energy.
even Reality benders have to get their energy source from somewhere some use the universe as energy source some utilize their own energy source.
Hax is just a term use for abilities that people have yet to come up with limits but they do exist just the creator never really tells us.
These people mostly come from kruos server, very hypocritical
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Boyyyyy the logia warriors arent gonna like that u aaid other energies can be equalized to haki 😭😭
bro really wants that armament chakra
thats two animes💀
This is going to be controversial but if speed was equalized some Avatar/TLOK characters could harm or counter a logia user.
Bending vs Logias
1) Gas fruit and Smoke fruit
A skilled airbender should be able to control their bodies when they are in their elemental forms.
2) Flame Fruit
A skilled firebender should be able to control the body of this fruit user while in elemental form.
3) Sand Fruit ,Stone Fruit ( Pica's fruit ), and Magma Fruit
A skilled Earthbender should be able to control their bodies when they are in their elemental forms. In addition, the benders should be to soldify magma into obsidian, sand into stone, and do the opposite to the stone fruit.
Logias vs The Avatar
As you all know the Avatar can bend all four elements so all the things I said before applies. In the avatar state all these logias are getting wrecked, all except the light fruit.
Logia vs The Spirits
This is were the light logia will start facing problem. As you there are spirits in Avatar which vary in strength. By using Hapi's logic any spirit should be able to touch or harm a logia user.
PLEASE DONT CRUCIFY ME ONE PIECE FANS
I'M JUST COME WITH THE FACTS
Pica is light fruit
@@Bruh-wtf-did-i-just-watchPica the character not the pica pica no mi
@@tscole12 ohhhh
Except kizaru can defeat the element users
Op fans:what if luffy imagine to be super Saiyan?
Claiming a character who is planetary can block or can only be harmed by planetary attacks is bullshit as we see goku nearly be killed by a tiny ring Lazer which is now way planetary otherwise great video and I 100% agree with everything else stated
Then does buu also not have the power of toon force? He was wildin back then.
He screamed and broke through the infinite dimension. And then kid buu?
Some issues with the video...
-Luffy is already a rubberman, Gear 5 is partly about rubberizing other people and objects.
-Whitebeard was literally not using Haki when he got hit by regular attacks.
-Goku has KI, NOT Haki.
-Naruto has chakra, NOT Haki
-Ichigo has spiritual pressure, NOT Haki
-Just because they have strong wills, doesn't mean they have Haki, Haki is a very specific phenomenon that are not demonstrated by the other three.
- Spiritual energy is NOT the same thing as Haki, you cannot manifest it the same way you can Haki meaning they are distinctively different, similar maybe but not the same.
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though there was two thing's that Luffy did which maybe Toon Force but it's SUCH A LOW LEVEL I'm not claiming luffy bugs bunny because let's be real here he ain't one piece is not a Cartoon or gag Manga anyways these two feats is one in the kaido fight luffy without even trying to his crew and momo where effected by his Toon force and has the you know goofy three eyes thing happen to them and lastly Luffy created Goggle from his afro those are two thing which may imply it but like I said he can''t do anything on some Bugs bunny Shit people claiming that are being outlandish also a Certain one piece theory does say that long ring long land was caused by joyboy take that as you will luffy maybe have the potential with that theory to alter a Landscape to where animal and being stretch due to there freedom and that small gag with the crew just going paper but none the less take that as you will
I will send this video to everyone who says luffy can solo Naruto 😂
He can, gear 5 neg diffed kaido, kaido did not land a single hit on gear 5, luffy threw kaido around like a tennis ball, yet people still say luffy loses to someone like kaido, baryon mode, Naruto’s strongest form, does not have any shadow clones, and it only lasts for 1-10 min, luffy is star level or solar system level Naruto is planetary or multi planetary, people are saying luffy cannot turn imagination into reality, he did against rob lucci when they fought for the 2nd time on chapter 1069, we haven’t seen gear 5 go all out, we have seen baryon mode and sage of six paths mode go all out, even if luffy does not go all out he still wins, oda confirmed that luffy beats Naruto, I proved he could turn imagination into reality so he can beat naruto, both characters are MFTL without a doubt, but luffyy overall I would say is a little faster than Naruto
By the way this is all stuff he did not mention, except for when he said luffy cannot turn imagination into reality which I proved he could
@@Sponge_bob139 if you even think luffy is planetary you have not watched one piece i don't know where do you get this idea and Naruto didn't even need to bation mode to defeat luffy he can defeat luffy in base form
@@noobgamerclan3023 your reply is not proving any of my points wrong
@@Sponge_bob139 oda never said that and you think those pirates are even comparable to otsutsuki the person that thinks luffy is star level doesn't know a thing about power scaling
Saying that “goku dosnt have haki” is like saying that “luffy dosnt have ki” which would mean that luffy would be dead since ki is life force. No life force, no life, so goku wins instantly
in no way I am saying that Logias are invincible or that there aren't hax out there that could kill them and I do agree Goku can solo OP. but saying that Naruto or Ichigo haki because dumb verse equalisation is stupid.
remember when Jugo with sage chakra could not touch or hurt Suigetsu ( a guy who can turn his body into water *at will*)
or remember in the can't fear your own world novels where. Aura Michibane a woman who can turn her body into mist *at will* fought Shuhei where shuhei used Bakudo spells and even his zanpaktou was ineffective when Aura was in her mist form.
logias are always there element
Is not just spiritual energy and physical energy are only type of chakrs, you have also sage energy which is type of chakra abobe the normal chakra and evek beijus chakra which also different, and you six path chakra and six path sage chakra which are wayyy above any type of chakra. And i want to mention juubidara or even obito or any six path sage user can not affect him with spiritual energy
Luffy would give goku a hard time but in the end goku comes out on top
No, luffy easily loses
you're right..... if you're referring to kid goku
@@amongtheman6340fr
He’ll give kid goku a hard time
@Hapi 117 tecnhically you can argue one piece (physically) stronger than dbz base goku and faster than dragonball goku if you believe goku just reached faster than lightning speeds after the king piccolo arc and use dbz base goku struggling with forty tons and dbs ssj vegeta can't lift magneto who is only 1000 tons. but in terms of ap/dc is luffy attacks even moon lvl bro?
@@fight1316bed strength goes to luffy by an immeasurable amount
@@fight1316 I said “bed strength” you clearly don’t get the joke
@@fight1316 he was until he ate that poisonous fish
In verses battles we automatically assume that Chakra ,ki, haki ,nen or any other system is the same .so idk what these people are talking about
not completely equalised but just to the point where they can each touch ,see and not get crushed by the persons spirit or knocked out
No we don't since in many cases they aren't.
@@jirenthegray5776 most real power scaler do unlike some brainless.
Luffy still is limited by the belief that he ate Gum Gum fruit, so he himself is limiting his abilities
Second, Oda develops story relatively slowly, for example KCM mode, Sage model, Baryon mode, MUI they all came and went by, there is really nothing left to further explain them, but Gear 5 is just starting
Shouldn't these things also be considered?
level mui is the boddem level whis todl you this mui can go higher
allat toon force just to stil struggle against kaido
Bro Gear 5 is powerful but still can't handle touching FUCKING MAGMA, GOKU IN DBS BROLY WAS SWIMMING IN THAT SHIT, AND IT DID NOTHING 💀
Doesn't naruto have magma release
comparing one of the most powerful fictional characters to somebody who is just made of rubber and has toon force for his final form
basically means you’re a loser
that’s if you say Luffy wins
Goku can literally defy nomologics just from being more powerful than an opponent for example vegito being turned into a candy ball BUT STILL beating buuhan 😂
Commen W
I have a few things to write about some claims and statements in this video but I'd have to go through the video to do so which would take a while, so I'll shorten it and have you ask me things in order to understand my reasoning.
They would not need Haki, but if they ever wanted to use it, they could do it far faster than Luffy as they are greater prodigious geniuses than him (Especially Goku [Referring to the Big 3]).
Ki = Haki
more than any other of the power sources in the Big 3 besides Haki itself.
I believe Akainu was using Haki against WB while WB had no ability to use Haki due to his sickness, feel free to correct me if I am mistaken.
Goku's dimensionality >> Luffy's hacks.
DB characters, when being physically, mentally and spiritually stronger transcend their opponent to the point of invincibility, meaning Goku wouldn't be affected.
Dura Neg, Existence Erasure on the Conceptual Level, Energy Projection, Massive Speed Blitzing, Physically Stronger, Stronger Will, Stronger Spirit, Adaptive Learning/Visual Learning (Near Instantaneously), Transforming, etc.
You can't possibly get any more of a stomp.
Hey hold up. I really like One Piece but there's no way in hell that they are defeating even saiyan saga vegeta.
Luffy's semi Toon Force is not the same as an actual GAG character (He lacks the feats) That's why he was having some problems fighting Kaido and currently it's happening the same vs Kizaru.
Namek saga SSJ Goku is a multi star level being.
DBS Base Goku would probably solo the entire canon DBZ.
Man this is a good video I appreciate it
If Naruto and Ichigo have Haki since it's Spiritual Energy, that means Royal Haki is equal to the Spiritual Pressure released by characters in Bleach This means that Luffy can defeat any character in Naruto with royal haki that destroys the soul and sometimes the body, as it appeared in the manga when Aizen erased a person only with his spiritual pressure, and Luffy can release spiritual pressure since it is a spiritual force, and Luffy can release it as in Bleach characters.
Naruto got six paths chakra, which is able to defend the soul, from complete eraser
Royal haki dont destroy soul .....
Spiritual pressure use to attacks the soul
Chakra attack the soul dépend on how you used it
Haki never did it
Naruto characters playing with souls since pain arc, lol.
Equalization doesn't work like that. It has to be similar on fundamental levels instead of 'this freezes you', 'this also freezes you', 'i can erase you from existence because one has the other'. They are still different in the end, there is simply specific aspects to be and to not be shared using COMMON SENSE.
Ki has Spiritual energy
After a day of being a nerd and arguing with op fans (I’m a op fan too) this video actually made me so happy lmao I was getting that argument so much lmao
ive got one thing to say about his haki statements
its not a passive, you actually have to keep it on for the duration, which could explain why the old whitebeard faltered in his haki. secondly, akainu can use haki with his magma attacks thanks to imbuement which allows you to add your haki to literally anything including magma. it can also be implied if you think that aokiji and akainu fought for days with both harming the other, but aokiji has no logical way to harm akainu if he cant imbue his ice with haki. Third off you forgot about the advanced tiers of armourment haki that actually dont let you get touched by any attacks.
12:00 FACTS ppl beyond bias & assume sh1t without research LMFAOOOOOOO
over 1000 eps and still fodder 🤣🤣🤣🤣
And still beat Naruto
@@zedvlad7305 learn to scale. Naruto is at least planetary to star level. Nobody in one piece is even planetary.... Naruto is fodder too anyways. Ichigo is the daddy of the big 3 and folds one piece and narutos verses at the same time.
@@simonthedigger3490 Bruh OP is easy Planetary and Naruto is nowhere near star lvl we can Debate on dis, sungodsolo and not every thing is about AP Luffy is also way faster
@@simonthedigger3490 and dura neg
@@zedvlad7305 drop your DC bud
Chakra is different from haki. And dbz characters uses ki and ki is different from haki since its energy.
Haki is also energy and their explanation of haki is as spiritual energy so through verse equalization anyone who has spiritual attacks has haki
@@juhabach7922 haki is only able to be used in the one piece verse and you need to actually understand how to use haki even through intense training.
@@PrimeEdits179 haki is just as basic as any spiritual essence requires training but if there is a specific way than a character can just use it if there is something that has those same properties that is the thing about verse equalization.
Do people actually think that goku hits luffy with a hyperversal kamehameha and luffy just stands there having taken 0 damage
you can have toon bs and be wall lvl
Oda > your favorite mangaka
So oda > oda? Seems about right
the concept of no limits falacy is in itself a falacy since anything is possible in fiction. It in itself is inconvient when you want to use for pitting two characters who likely will never meet against each other in a hypothetical matchup. If two supposedly infinitely powerful characters are pitted you should concede its a draw or at the very least come up with better reason reason one will win other than power or strength. If it only comes down power its unimaginitive and boring. For instance, if the rules of the opm universe basic imply saitama is invincible, he should be unbeatable, and goku's universe implies he can eventually overcome any opponent, then its most likely is that. In my mind,these two characters are incompatible with each other an can't exist in the same place at the same time. Because both aspects of saitama's invincibility contradicts goku's ability to eventually overcome him. You remove those concepts from these characters from them, but by doing so they stop being what makes them their respective characters, especially saitama since his character is defined as such from the beginning.
Also, them defining luffy's powers as limited by imagination can mean anything. It just means potential which may never be realized and thus power can be all over the place and you can not pin down power in any way.
Logia are overrated you cant just speed Blitz them dont need haki
Lol luffy is weak because DC characters in Dragon ball characters are just to strong I mean marvel is strong to but DC is just on another level the people that read comics knows😂😂😂😂😂💯 oh in nice video bro keep it up.
Luffy does have toon force even tho people say he doesn’t he does bc we know how toon force works it’s character who can manipulate things in reality and bypassing the physics of law and not that if you read the manga luffy turn his hair into glasses while fighting rob lucci in his awakened form and not that but it’s also said that luffy is limited to his imagination well that’s a person who doesn’t have that much of imagination but that’s bc luffy hasn’t mastered his true power yet bc luffy gear five we haven’t seen what he can really do yet with this new power luffy but if you read the manga the fruit it self talks control over the users mind and luffy hasn’t took control of gear five that’s why we see him alway laughing and bouncing around and not just that but it’s people who can manipulate things into reality like how luffy turn the ground into rubber and how luffy can turn any object into rubber that’s the same as toon force and also we haven’t seen luffy at his full potential with this new power of his and we know if joy boy was the strongest back in his times while having this fruit we halft to know the true power with gear five and it’s said that whatever luffy thinks of like you said luffy is limited to his imagination but that limit is freedom to do whatever he wants and not that but it’s said that whatever luffy thinks of he can turn that into reality how bc his new power at his peak let’s his imagination turn imagination into reality so being that luffy can turn anything into reality and not just that but if he’s able to turn anything into reality by his imagination then we know what he could do and the anime never said and or in the manga it says he does have a limit to his imagination it never said that so that easily proven and even Vega punk speaks about luffy power and how devil fruits work so that’s why we know luffy has room force and also luffy went through kidos eye and you might say well how does that have to do anything with luffy having toon force well then only way you can grab through someone’s eye is by having toon force bc toon force allow character to bypass the physics of laws by being able for example like the road runner how the the dude painted a fake road to a rock but the road runner being able to go through it anyway bc of toon force well that impossible for naruto to do naruto can’t do that and kido can’t and no one can just grab through kidos eyes and freely grab on to his nose and launch him self out of his eyes and that reason is bc that caused by toon force which luffy has toon force
Ooh my god thank you I wish I would of read this before I commented I bet you all these other people in the comments didn’t even read what you wrote most things he said was from he’s ass
@@BashyAnime ty people really sont understand luffy power at all and ngl the drums of liberation has my heart dancing if you seen
Wow I lost braincells while reading that
But anyway, first of all, you didn't make sense when you said luffy's power limited by his imagination and fruit controls luffy's mind lol
Second of all, we only saw him turning whatever he touches into rubber. So unless he shows any other/better feats with gear 5, we can only assume he only can do that with gear 5(he thinking Goku as his friend and all other things are just bullshit).
And about luffy beating other anime characters,. First, Bleach. Since basic attack from shinigami damages soul, any soul reaper who is faster than luffy easily beats(since no one in the OP tanked spiritual attack). Second, Naruto. With enough speed and rasenshuriken, he easily beats, since rasenshuriken dura negs so armament haki doesn't help. A lot of characters from other verses have similar/stronger attacks
Don't have to talk about DB, since dimensionality > hax, even low/mid tier DB characters solos OP verse
💀 bro did you watch the video, Hapi whole argument is that he doesn't have toon force RATHER he can turn everything into rubber which is sorta like toon force but no where near as powerful as toon force plus always reread your essays because i really couldn't understand you
@@erenjeager2269 he dummy this is why I tell people read the manga first before commenting yes he did matter of fact display something other than rubber he created goggles out of thin air oooo but this guy happi didn’t mention that right last time I checked those 2 little things on the goggles are glass not rubber the only reason he still using rubber based attacks is because luffy is so dumb he still thinks he has the gum gum fruit once he fully understands he’s power you’ll see more obvious non rubber based attacks
Luffy dies to Saiyan saga elites 😊
The only thing I disagree with is comparing Chakra and Haki. Chakra has an origin in the Naruto universe. Making it completely different. Like the great Mr.Miyagi and would said “Different but same.”
Doesn't that imply that there are different but still the same?
@@MsBlacknight21 they are different. Very different, in origin and what they do. But they work similarly. It doesn’t mean they are the same.
@@DarthBigMan, they both sound pretty much the same they might be different but there pretty much the samething.
@@MsBlacknight21 the application of both abilities are different because they dont opertate in the same way. Do you think a haki user can use fire style or Lightning release? The answer is no because Haki doesn't have the same applications as chakra and they do not operate the same because they are different power systems but have similar origins or mindsets. If twp arthors create a power system based on spiritual power, they may sound the same but work differently dependong on the author, so just because they both called spiritual power doesnt mean they have the same application, even if they have similarities. Alot of people think Having chakra will allow you to make contact with a logia but the application of haki that allows you to interact with logias is Armament haki in particular. Until we have a reason why you cant just jump to the assumption that chakra will work simply because you think it operates the same way as armament haki, which is an assumption not facts and this makes things trickyer to scale. Even if we have the argument that you can manipulate the soul, if you need to physically interact with the body of a devil fruit user, your ability wouldnt work brcause you cannot tpuch a logia because they are literally the element they turn into. We could go on for days. Ive heared so many arguments and debates, there so much more We can talk about. But Goku does beat Luffy
Luffy cant swim but can beat goku ? 😂😂😂😂 can someone make it make sense
luffy gear 5 can turn anything into rubber he would turn goku into a ball and bounds him arround loke crazy.
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He does he toon force just low levels
Toon force is not a power
No, he has a Mythical Zoan of which converts what he wants to be converted into rubber. Simple Transmutation into a rubbery property. If you mention how his power is only limited by his imagination as stated, using common sense, that'd be applicable to what rubber could do due to Luffy believing his fruit is the Gum Gum No Mi.
Luffy doesn’t have toon force also not to mention there is people with toon force who are like wall level. So toon force is just haks which doesn’t always help. So yea your about right it’s prob just a way to cheat things into rubber or similar to that.
He does have toon force even if he just has matter manipulation, it is just breaking the 4th wall in a comedic fashion
He has toon force but either it is not as strong or it is limited by his imagination
If not how did he make glasses that sparkles
In principle this is nothing special, special for a Zoan, but nothing more. Any Logia user and some Paramecia users can create matter from nothing. Ultimately it is still unknown, it could have been Toon-force, but it is far from being as certain as many make it out to be.
Mention a paramecia that can make glasses with lens out of thin air
@@AdamsChizzy Luffy doesn't make the glasses out of thin air, he makes them out of his hair. Charlotte Cracker makes entire soldiers, which he can then control all together. Charlotte Perospero also makes all of his candy tools himself. Glasses can also be made out of rubber, especially since Luffy has never needed glasses due to his sea skills, so he wouldn't need lenses. Normal sunglasses don't need a lens, they're just tinted or coated glass, and that works with rubber too.Luffy doesn't make the glasses out of thin air, he makes them out of his hair. Charlotte Cracker makes entire soldiers, which he can then control all together. Charlotte Perospero also makes all of his candy tools herself. Glasses can also be made out of rubber, especially since Luffy has never needed glasses due to his sea skills, so he wouldn't need lenses. Normal sunglasses don't need a lens, they're just tinted or coated glass, and that works with rubber too.
@@Fatalis_Legend so your trying to say rubber can sparkle 💀
@@AdamsChizzy Of course it can
Goku qualifies for 5d in the battle of gods feats so I think a fifth dimensional being could beat one rubbery boi
Bleach people are spirits 😂
Can you argue something for one piece fans. Id love to hear your opinion on where you think luffy is using a verse you can scale him to. I understand you dont hate one piece but I dont see a video where you scale luffy or try and tell us where he is in terms of power comapred to someone like Naruto and that ends up making me feel like theres a bit of bais. Im a calm and realistic one piece fan so I dont really dick ride so please educate me on where you think he is in terms of power instead of just debunking one puece fans statements.
Actually that’s not a bad idea. Might try find more decent matchups that are close to Luffy’s current level
@@Hapi117 I'd love to see it, I'll be waiting for that video. Thanks for naking content 🔥
Luffy can bypass durability with ryuo or gear 5 like he did with kaido by putting a punch shape on kaido like kaido body is made of rubber or luffy bypassing his arms in kaido eyes imagine what he would do to a heart if it was funny
he's not bypassing an infinitely stronger Ki aura bro
@@8theminecraftgamer right ki aura
Yeah ryuo was able to bypass durability but it was an outlier when he used it on kaido in gear 4 and it didnt affect him and luffy actually died by kaido because kaido was probably stronger or something(my bad I paid attention to the show and know that's not how haki works🙁)
@@mormalnam5384 I don’t remember the point of me making my comment but you said what I said, ryou was useless because kaido was stronger, what was the point of your comment
@@anime_world6684 how can you say it can negate durability when kaido wasn't affected by luffys attacks even after using gear 4 with ryuo
Power scaling is so cringe
This is why anime debaters tho can get unbearable there not biased they use facts, if luffy has toon force (which he does) he has toon force, but if his type of toon force isn’t to be the strongest in fiction then he’s not just goku lv
Toon force is not an ability
@@Bruh-wtf-did-i-just-watch I know
Toon force huh by all of you one piece fans logic Zoan has toon force
@@Jackie___- you don’t pay attention huh
@@anime_world6684 luffys doing the same shit zoans been doing
Luffy pulled goggles out of nothing hpw os that not toon force🙃
It’s almost like swimming goggles or aviation goggles aren’t made of rubber and he didn’t “pull rubber from the cloud on his head” and shape them into goggles. Imagine thinking rubber = toon force 🗿
@@Hapi117wouldn’t it just stretch instead? The only proof is his hand being close to his hair which doesn’t actually mean he pulled it out, if he is able to do that then he can pull out every part of his body which should have happened already. In his vivre card it said that he can stretch infinitely therefore you’re completely false and you don’t read the manga
Waiting for the day they say luffy can beat gogeta or vegito ill laugh so hard
What are you on base goku solo😂
Op fans are like sh*t he knows to much 😂
Mui Goku destroy all gear form luffy
Lol debunking everything here is ez
sun wukong can destroy all of them
I feel like goku wouldnt beat luffy since hes made of rubber and take punches but lazers and sharp objects screw him
Hakai and destructo disk
@@romallohenry5700 yeah,as soon as i hear "kaaaa meeee... hes dead"
Ay there is this one dude who said goku beats dc
Really? Might have to give that vid a peep got a link?
@@Hapi117 I don't but the name of the RUclipsr is drip_sauce
@@juhabach7922drip sauce got debunked by hes comments lol😊
@@Bruh-wtf-did-i-just-watch ikr
@@juhabach7922In his new video he said that goku black>cosmic armor Superman
Luffy cant even past og dragon ball! 😂 what are one piece fans smoking?!
I think it's crazy that people actually think that Goku wouldn't absolutely starch a rubber pirate that's crazy LOL especially since he defeated a gumball already lol. That gumball known as Kid Buu was a menace too. Kid Buu versus Luffy wouldn't even be a fight. they have similar abilities except Kid Buu could turn him into candy and blow up the planet then meet him in the afterlife and eat him again🤣🤣🤣🤣
he does have toon force but goku still beats him
he doesnt
@@heftymagic4814he does
@@Sponge_bob139no he does not stop talking
@@Jackie___- he does he was literally confirmed to have it by oda and crunchy roll
@@Sponge_bob139he doesn't
Luffy getting 1 tapped goku can destroy universes
And how tf are you gonna ignore that luffy didn’t even touch the tree and the tree blew up from the inside out… and the statement for ryou is it by passes defense and destroys you from the inside out… literally says from the inside out
Then why didn’t it blow Kaido’s back out? 🗿Debunked. Didn’t kid naruto blow out a water tank 15 times the size of that tree as a kid? It’s almost asif Naruto has Dura neg like luffy as a kid using braindead logic like that. 🗿🗿
@@Hapi117Simple, Kaido's inner durability was stronger. Let's not forget how Big Mom had taken multiple shocks of high intensity voltages which would've killed anyone other than people stronger. Kaido is obviously stronger than Big Mom in many aspects, so its safe to assume his inner body is (relative/just as strong as/STRONGER than) Linlin's.
also, this statement is pretty pointless against anyone in the Big Three. Dura-neg is a simple factor in the Big Three and can easily be outhealed by the others BESIDES Luffy. Goku's body is enhanced by Ki and his body is also stronger as he gets more serious. His endurance and tenacity will outlast most, if not any internal damage, and that's to say that Luffy's haki COULD bypass Goku's Ki Reinforcement.
@@fight1316proof ?
@@fight1316 Why are you saying that, exactly? What I said is blatantly obvious truth. What are some of you on about?
Naruto destroy all one piece and dragon Ball destroy all one piece
God you kept saying it and you're so wrong... White Beard let Squardos stab him, it's LITTERALLY implied seconds after it happened (so funny that you're talking about people not actually reading stuff then making arguments the same way) and the admirals ALL have haki... Like obviously... Akainu murdered ace... Are u dense? "Oh he burns his fire with his lava" yea that makes way more sense than akainu having haki... When ur main argument is "lol white Beard weak" despite it being over half the story ago and you still have to misrepresent him to make your point... Give me the time I spent watching this garbage back...
1. Nothing you said here disproved what I said. The burden of proof is on YOU to prove Whitebeard was capable of destroying a planet. He wasn’t. Show me a manga page where he literally blew up a planet in onepiece? You’re braindead if you believe anyone has and never read the fucking show. Give me back the time I spent reading this dumb as fuck comment Jesus.
2. Akainu wasn’t using Haki. Where was the black hardening? Read the fucking manga for the second fucking time you illiterate Goon.
3. Yeah that makes fucking sense he used magma NOT haki???! Are you that FUCKING DENSE? moron.
4. If he was as strong as people claim him to be, DESPITE being sick… anyone who was using REGULAR attacks should not have pierced his defence. So people harming Whitebeard at marineford wouldn’t scale to whitebeard since he was 1. Sick, and two incapable of defending against attacks despite having the best haki so just because you HAVE haki doesn’t mean you’re beating Goku. Even Whitebeard was harmed. Meaning ANY haki user can be harmed with pure physical or even viral, bacterial sickness could harm a haki user.
Elemental Affinities exist in the OP verse so Ak could very much burn Ace's fire through higher potent heat.
I agree that all admirals have Haki, and I believe that Ak was using it against WB, but that matters not.
WB being able to destroy the work was a Hyperbole on his title as the world's strongest, and even if he did, Old Man WB could not do so without Haki obv nor WOULD he, nor HAS it been shown he could do so.
@@Hapi117WB could not use his Haki due to his sickness as it was weakening if I am not mistaken.
For logia’s, it would just be a draw. Goku can’t touch them, and any logia user don’t even stand 0.00001% of harming goku.
goku would just erase them through ki as we can see it destroy elements hell goku could even just seal them or just toss them into a river
Goku has hakai which can erase the bodies and souls of the opponent so doing that would kill a logia type
Ki = Metaphysical Life Energy trained through mental prowess and will.
Haki = Metaphysical Life Energy trained through Physical Prowess and Will.
Ki and Haki equals out, Goku has near bottomless Ki reserves due to Ki living in all things, of which he subconsciously uses for his attacks and uses it to empower his whole body, basically being coated in Haki. Ki = Stamina through mental prowess which is how they run out, by being mentally and physically fatigued so any rebuttal about that is now debunked retrocausally.
@@zillasaiyan1m274he doesn’t have hakai tho
@@Sponge_bob139he does
The cope from dbz fans i s astronomical.
tf you mean goku solos luffy every way possible....he finna make bro look like a bitch
Lmao, Seethe.
Your acting like luffy was above goku