I truly love your videos. You explain everything so clearly, provide so much context and connect a lot of single dots I've been left with after obtaining my diploma, that after watching your lectures I'm finally starting to feel I 'understand' psychoanalysis. Thank you so much!
Thank you so much for your work. And especially thank you for explaining such complex topics in plain language, making them accessible to non-native speakers. I am an atheist too, but still I want to say: God bless you!
I agree with your interpretation of capitalism and its effect on society at large which also bleeds into economics and creates a sick society. Bravo for your openness. @@doncarveth
Conceptions of the Cure. 0:00 Freud. Focuses on the strengthening the Rational Ego. Enhanced reality testing. Ego dominance. Enhancing Ego strength. Overcoming Id and Superego. Sadder but wiser. 19:09 Klein. TBC. January 2, 2024. It's been a year. I am listening again to this intense lecture from the beginning to that ok! I haven't been able to update my notes here (for my own review). But I will listen and try to update again. Thank you Dr Carveth for such an extensive review of the theory of cure in Psychoanalytic Psychodynamic Psychotherapy.
Dr. Carveth, I just want to thank you for not only this video, but all your contributions on RUclips. Your straightforward, concise, yet highly insightful commentary has helped me immensely as doctoral psychology student with an emerging interest in psychoanalysis. Just bought your book, can’t wait to read! Thanks again
Dear Mr. Carveth, I find your lectures to be among the most interesting and useful ressources to further psychoanalytic understanding and I am very grateful that you provide this information online for free. I've been wondering how different schools of psychoanalysis look upon sexual and intimate relationships. What causes attraction and how is it maintained? Maybe you would care to shed some light on this topic.
Spurred oh, thank you for suggesting Alex you’re on this topic which I agree is important. I will add this to the list of subjects I wish to address. Thanks for this helpful suggestion.
I really like the lecture. Insightful and complete. Thank you for taking the suggestion. I appreciate the last comment. Made me remember Baudrillard's ideas on the effects of late capitalism in the image we have of ourselves. Also how the social and political narrative can shape our reality, shaping us as individuals too, and like you said, making us sick.
Thank you again very much, I've read a lot here and there about psychoanalysis but this is a valuable framework. Thank you. Yes Baudrillard also on how our Society is in a way, anti-psychoanalysis, We are less and less conscious of ourselves and our actions and more and more automated(unconscious) by the culture.
Thank you, Professeur. It was helpful to understand the genesis of an addiction/addictive behavior. Using Kohut's theory of a fragmentation prone self and turning to the disintegration products as a way of dealing with the fragmentation state. The "bad habit " term that you used in a different video didn't make sense to me.r4
The Neuropsychoanalyst, Dr. Mark Solms, is proving in his latest research that the "Talking Cure" is not in the words, but in the Feelings. Continuing on with 100 year old Freudian theory feels to me that it's akin to beating an old, worn out, horse to death. Please join the new thinkers who embrace Solms' research. Solms is bringing new life into psychoanalytic methodology, still based on Freud's works UPDATED for the 21st Century - long overdue.
Nice talk but the "analytic cure," can sound permanent, because we think of a cure as permanent. This is not always so. I like to think of the definition of a poem given by Robert Frost, as "a temporary stay against confusion."
Yes, but then we must continue forward. There is much mourning to wade through (process) before courage is discovered, once again. More and more confusion dissipates as the process continues to the underlying cure. This allows the long sought freedom. Yet, living is never perfect since societal pressures will always exist.
22:00 why do people say only millennials hold these kind of opinions, when here they seem to be taken as given fact? Really pleased to hear these opinions from your channel
I don't think that reality testing can become practical until enough of the id becomes conscious. As the unconscious id is unraveled, one's consciousness expands. Empirical knowledge is far superior to theoretical knowledge. These awarenesses, hopefully, become obvious through the personal analysis undergone during the training to become a psychoanalyst. An personal (1st analysis) probably takes a minimum of 5 years. I understand Winnicott's perspective of being all inclusive, changing over time. I hold Winnicott's ideas of aloneness.
I believe that the contradiction Freud seems to be clinging to is just a matter of semantics. To be clear, determinism holds the position that every Y has had a preceding X; that every effect has had a cause. In this sense, we do not have freewill. This is not the same distinction being made when Freud suggests we “free or liberate” ourselves from harm. If we are to push against determinism logically we understand that “free” in this sense is not the idea of freewill we have set out to obtain; simply suggest that not every Y has a preceding X, that there are indeed truly “free” actions in this sense. Notice that this is not the “freewill” you are looking for. Taking a page from Sam Harris, this is just randomness; this is completely different than “freeing” yourself from persecution inside an assumed deterministic reality. We are free to make choices within the contexts of whatever box is holding or limiting our choices.
@Don Carveth Thanks indeed for a great scholarly overview and contribution! Concerning the solution, the cure I suppose. We cannot understand the cure if we don't understand suffering. So what is suffering? Let us take a closer look. Who is suffering? It is the I who is suffering. What is the I, where is it, when does this I appear? The closer we look the more obvious it will be that we don't, will not and cannot find the suffering I. Its a mirage. Let us proceed in the opposite direction. What is the suffering that I feel, what is the object of my suffering? It is always resistance, always some rejection of what is already the case. Again, the closer we look at the resistance the more it dissolves. We realize that there is ultimately no true object there. When we illuminate the ghost in the dark wardrobe we just see light. Thus suffering is an optical illusion. The more remotely we observe it, the more real it appears. Suffering evaporates like a soap bubble upon true intimate contact. That is to say: We suffer because we unconsciously identify as subjects divided from experiential objects. If we look close enough, neither the subject nor the object can be found. Eventually this false divide, this false identity, is uprooted as our suffering is increasingly seen through. Then suffering dissolves into our primordial wholeness. It is precisely at this perfectly intimate recognition that deep true healing and liberation happens. What is there beyond the subject and object divide, which is essentially a mind fathom - however useful it is for practical purposes? Our fundamental, primordial wholeness. Without this innate wholeness healing can never happen. This primordial wholeness is so whole and indestructible that it has the capacity to dissolve any and all conflicts/divisions. What then is the solution, the cure? The Dao that can be spoken of is not the eternal Dao. We can call the primordial wholeness consciousness. But analyzing, theorizing about consciousness will never bring about wholeness. The theoretical quest for the cure will distort and neglect true wholeness by turning it into an intellectual fragment, out there in the distance as it were. True wholeness is present beyond thinking. It is always infinitely closer than we can ever imagine. Thus the cure is the final, heartful realization that our true nature is already whole and complete. If it is not broken, don't fix it. See the wholeness. Abide in it. Eventually You will dissolve into the wholeness that you already are. That's all.
Jonas Hjerpe, thank you. I have always maintained an interest in and appreciation of Buddhism, Taoism, Zen and related traditions. So what you say makes sense to me. I think it also connects to winnicott’s idea of a “true self”. I think analysis at its best involves a continuous deconstruction of all self images, the specular ego of Lacan is increasingly ndermined, leading to a shift in the personality away from what George Herbert Mead saw as the”me” poleof the self toward the “I”-subject who, like the photographer, never gets into the picture.
@@jonashjerpe7421 Lovely insightful post. Thank you. I have been following a similar path of contemplation, with a slightly different detour. In a Non-dual understanding, 'primordial wholeness' may be articulated as Consciousness with the understanding that Consciousness is no-thing, or as is sometimes alluded to as emptiness (as a 'space' where only that which surrounds the 'space' or creates the 'space' can be described). One can also usefully employ Kleinian theory/language to understand our "Self-conscious" identities/ego's as 'split off' from the whole object Consciousness. Within this is also the anxiety of 'annihilation' of the Self-conscious when contemplating Consciousness . Not surprising that we are so defended against this understanding. Freud demonstrates this in the beginning of 'Civilisation and its Discontents' when writing to his friend about religion and the feeling of 'Oceanic' . Cheers Carl
@@doncarveth Thank you for your wisdom in your reply and your lectures. May I draw your attention to my reply to Jonas Hjerpe's insightful post above. Cheers Carl
He didn't say that about Nazis marching. He made that comment in relation to the debate at that time - people that wanted to remove statues, and those that wanted to keep statues (their history) both sides of the debate are good people, that were caught up in the hysteria of that time Nazis vs antifa.
Thanks Don Carveth I find your lectures incredibly helpful and a model of clarity, I hope you continue your broadcasts on RUclips for a long time. I put them on while I’m doing the housework and they become my own transitional object ensuring I am not feeling alone!
Good to see someone in the psychoanalytic sphere who isn't caught up in the anti-Trump and "Nazi" hysteria. There are so few. Incredibly confusing to see intelligent and thoughtful men like the lecturer who is simultaneously so myopic, lost in the narrative of the anti-West agenda, and unable to think for himself.
I believe a cure is possible, yet we always analyze each perplexity that confronts us. Analysis never ceases because we are always self observing, regardless of feeling unencumbered emotionally.
I think he could have started by contrasting individual or group pathologies with a social and historical, a contextual, perspective. As humans have become more instrumental over the physical environment especially via technologies, and not usually the most efficient technologies, and as the human social environment has become more capitalist - service oriented and consumerist - human populations have become tactical consumers, shoppers which impacts identity in terms of branding and status. Individuals are today citizen-customers to the corporate government(s). All thought and behavior is role related and deviations become stigmatized; consciousness is governed by power assertions, the effect of signifier, while the other and lower classes, the lower half of the population in terms of income, are burdened and encumbered with the unconscious via subconscious manipulation and perlocutionary interactions!
Search socio-cultural factors build upon the psychological process called splitting where one thing is all good and another thing all bad. You can see how this gets extended to such things as weight good and black bad, Or the reverse, or men superior and women inferior, etc. The tendency to dominance/submission has roots in the psyche.
@@doncarveth Sorry, I didn't express myself properly. At some point, you indicated that it is from a society that we get our racism, heterosexism etc...Perhaps I misunderstood you. I argue that, for example, racism is ultimately based on basic instinctual factors and the tendency to evaluate an object (attitude formation). Prejudice did have an adaptive value from the evolutionary perspective. In current times, racism is associated with dogmatism and indeed it is perpetuated by socio-cultural factors but it is still rooted in basic biology. A key point to understand here is that for people evolutionary adaptions take over hundreds of thousands of years, whereas human culture changes at a dramatically faster pace. This also means that people's brains and nervous systems will not have had time to adapt to any great extent. I don't think we will ever solve the puzzle of biopsychosocial. These clearly can not be untangled.
I truly love your videos. You explain everything so clearly, provide so much context and connect a lot of single dots I've been left with after obtaining my diploma, that after watching your lectures I'm finally starting to feel I 'understand' psychoanalysis. Thank you so much!
Thank you very much for telling me, you are most welcome
Thank you so much for your work. And especially thank you for explaining such complex topics in plain language, making them accessible to non-native speakers. I am an atheist too, but still I want to say: God bless you!
Thank you!
Thank you very much professor Carveth, for your generousity at sharing your knowledge with us.
Most welcome
I agree with your interpretation of capitalism and its effect on society at large which also bleeds into economics and creates a sick society. Bravo for your openness.
@@doncarveth
Conceptions of the Cure.
0:00 Freud. Focuses on the strengthening the Rational Ego. Enhanced reality testing. Ego dominance. Enhancing Ego strength. Overcoming Id and Superego. Sadder but wiser.
19:09 Klein. TBC.
January 2, 2024.
It's been a year. I am listening again to this intense lecture from the beginning to that ok!
I haven't been able to update my notes here (for my own review). But I will listen and try to update again.
Thank you Dr Carveth for such an extensive review of the theory of cure in Psychoanalytic Psychodynamic Psychotherapy.
This is fascinating. I can listen all day. Thank you!
Thank you
Great lecture! Thank you very much.
Dr. Carveth, I just want to thank you for not only this video, but all your contributions on RUclips. Your straightforward, concise, yet highly insightful commentary has helped me immensely as doctoral psychology student with an emerging interest in psychoanalysis. Just bought your book, can’t wait to read! Thanks again
Thank you, I appreciate your letting me know this.
Dear Mr. Carveth, I find your lectures to be among the most interesting and useful ressources to further psychoanalytic understanding and I am very grateful that you provide this information online for free.
I've been wondering how different schools of psychoanalysis look upon sexual and intimate relationships. What causes attraction and how is it maintained? Maybe you would care to shed some light on this topic.
Spurred oh, thank you for suggesting Alex you’re on this topic which I agree is important. I will add this to the list of subjects I wish to address. Thanks for this helpful suggestion.
I really like the lecture. Insightful and complete. Thank you for taking the suggestion.
I appreciate the last comment. Made me remember Baudrillard's ideas on the effects of late capitalism in the image we have of ourselves. Also how the social and political narrative can shape our reality, shaping us as individuals too, and like you said, making us sick.
Miguel Santana, so glad you like it.
Thank you again very much, I've read a lot here and there about psychoanalysis but this is a valuable framework. Thank you. Yes Baudrillard also on how our Society is in a way, anti-psychoanalysis, We are less and less conscious of ourselves and our actions and more and more automated(unconscious) by the culture.
Maybe it is just you becoming more and more conscious of the present collective?
Thank you, Professeur. It was helpful to understand the genesis of an addiction/addictive behavior. Using Kohut's theory of a fragmentation prone self and turning to the disintegration products as a way of dealing with the fragmentation state.
The "bad habit " term that you used in a different video didn't make sense to me.r4
Hi Don, I am in training to become a Jungian analyst and I just wanted you to know that I am really enjoying your videos. Thank you, Tony
Tony, thank you, and best of luck with your training.
Thank You!
The Neuropsychoanalyst, Dr. Mark Solms, is proving in his latest research that the "Talking Cure" is not in the words, but in the Feelings. Continuing on with 100 year old Freudian theory feels to me that it's akin to beating an old, worn out, horse to death.
Please join the new thinkers who embrace Solms' research.
Solms is bringing new life into psychoanalytic methodology, still based on Freud's works UPDATED for the 21st Century - long overdue.
Thanks,sir
Fantastic
Thank you
Crucifixion in my mind is what each analysand must experience so that transformation of the self into the healing mode can take hold.
Crucifixion as in living through emotional hell that only allows the death of depression and letting go of one's past.
Is psychoanalysis a cure or a treatment? Thank you for all of your lectures Don! Me and my colleagues training in London greatly appreciate them
As an outsider, it's both, if done well by patient and doctor.
Can the food/disordered eating be also considered as an disintegrating product one can turn with a fragmenation prone self?
I think so
Cari, I cannot find your comment in order to respond.
Nice talk but the "analytic cure," can sound permanent, because we think of a cure as permanent. This is not always so. I like to think of the definition of a poem given by Robert Frost, as "a temporary stay against confusion."
Quite right, I like that.
Yes, but then we must continue forward. There is much mourning to wade through (process) before courage is discovered, once again. More and more confusion dissipates as the process continues to the underlying cure. This allows the long sought freedom. Yet, living is never perfect since societal pressures will always exist.
22:00 why do people say only millennials hold these kind of opinions, when here they seem to be taken as given fact? Really pleased to hear these opinions from your channel
I’m glad you found me! Thanks.
I don't think that reality testing can become practical until enough of the id becomes conscious. As the unconscious id is unraveled, one's consciousness expands. Empirical knowledge is far superior to theoretical knowledge. These awarenesses, hopefully, become obvious through the personal analysis undergone during the training to become a psychoanalyst. An personal (1st analysis) probably takes a minimum of 5 years. I understand Winnicott's perspective of being all inclusive, changing over time. I hold Winnicott's ideas of aloneness.
I believe that the contradiction Freud seems to be clinging to is just a matter of semantics. To be clear, determinism holds the position that every Y has had a preceding X; that every effect has had a cause. In this sense, we do not have freewill. This is not the same distinction being made when Freud suggests we “free or liberate” ourselves from harm. If we are to push against determinism logically we understand that “free” in this sense is not the idea of freewill we have set out to obtain; simply suggest that not every Y has a preceding X, that there are indeed truly “free” actions in this sense. Notice that this is not the “freewill” you are looking for. Taking a page from Sam Harris, this is just randomness; this is completely different than “freeing” yourself from persecution inside an assumed deterministic reality. We are free to make choices within the contexts of whatever box is holding or limiting our choices.
@@mancubthescrub I love it when philosophers show us how to have our cake and eat it too!
And the solution is?
@Don Carveth Thanks indeed for a great scholarly overview and contribution!
Concerning the solution, the cure I suppose.
We cannot understand the cure if we don't understand suffering. So what is suffering?
Let us take a closer look. Who is suffering?
It is the I who is suffering.
What is the I, where is it, when does this I appear?
The closer we look the more obvious it will be that we don't, will not and cannot find the suffering I. Its a mirage.
Let us proceed in the opposite direction. What is the suffering that I feel, what is the object of my suffering?
It is always resistance, always some rejection of what is already the case.
Again, the closer we look at the resistance the more it dissolves. We realize that there is ultimately no true object there.
When we illuminate the ghost in the dark wardrobe we just see light.
Thus suffering is an optical illusion. The more remotely we observe it, the more real it appears.
Suffering evaporates like a soap bubble upon true intimate contact.
That is to say: We suffer because we unconsciously identify as subjects divided from experiential objects. If we look close enough, neither the subject nor the object can be found.
Eventually this false divide, this false identity, is uprooted as our suffering is increasingly seen through.
Then suffering dissolves into our primordial wholeness.
It is precisely at this perfectly intimate recognition that deep true healing and liberation happens.
What is there beyond the subject and object divide, which is essentially a mind fathom - however useful it is for practical purposes?
Our fundamental, primordial wholeness. Without this innate wholeness healing can never happen.
This primordial wholeness is so whole and indestructible that it has the capacity to dissolve any and all conflicts/divisions.
What then is the solution, the cure?
The Dao that can be spoken of is not the eternal Dao.
We can call the primordial wholeness consciousness. But analyzing, theorizing about consciousness will never bring about wholeness.
The theoretical quest for the cure will distort and neglect true wholeness by turning it into an intellectual fragment, out there in the distance as it were.
True wholeness is present beyond thinking.
It is always infinitely closer than we can ever imagine.
Thus the cure is the final, heartful realization that our true nature is already whole and complete.
If it is not broken, don't fix it.
See the wholeness. Abide in it.
Eventually You will dissolve into the wholeness that you already are.
That's all.
Jonas Hjerpe, thank you. I have always maintained an interest in and appreciation of Buddhism, Taoism, Zen and related traditions. So what you say makes sense to me. I think it also connects to winnicott’s idea of a “true self”. I think analysis at its best involves a continuous deconstruction of all self images, the specular ego of Lacan is increasingly ndermined, leading to a shift in the personality away from what George Herbert Mead saw as the”me” poleof the self toward the “I”-subject who, like the photographer, never gets into the picture.
@@doncarveth Don, your reply is much appreciated. Thanks!
@@jonashjerpe7421 Lovely insightful post. Thank you. I have been following a similar path of contemplation, with a slightly different detour. In a Non-dual understanding, 'primordial wholeness' may be articulated as Consciousness with the understanding that Consciousness is no-thing, or as is sometimes alluded to as emptiness (as a 'space' where only that which surrounds the 'space' or creates the 'space' can be described). One can also usefully employ Kleinian theory/language to understand our "Self-conscious" identities/ego's as 'split off' from the whole object Consciousness. Within this is also the anxiety of 'annihilation' of the Self-conscious when contemplating Consciousness . Not surprising that we are so defended against this understanding. Freud demonstrates this in the beginning of 'Civilisation and its Discontents' when writing to his friend about religion and the feeling of 'Oceanic' . Cheers Carl
@@doncarveth Thank you for your wisdom in your reply and your lectures. May I draw your attention to my reply to Jonas Hjerpe's insightful post above. Cheers Carl
Thank you. Although as Marcuse said we are pressured to be one dimensional, I believe the true self continues to exist, however repressed.
He didn't say that about Nazis marching. He made that comment in relation to the debate at that time - people that wanted to remove statues, and those that wanted to keep statues (their history) both sides of the debate are good people, that were caught up in the hysteria of that time Nazis vs antifa.
Thanks Don Carveth I find your lectures incredibly helpful and a model of clarity, I hope you continue your broadcasts on RUclips for a long time. I put them on while I’m doing the housework and they become my own transitional object ensuring I am not feeling alone!
Good to see someone in the psychoanalytic sphere who isn't caught up in the anti-Trump and "Nazi" hysteria. There are so few. Incredibly confusing to see intelligent and thoughtful men like the lecturer who is simultaneously so myopic, lost in the narrative of the anti-West agenda, and unable to think for himself.
My expectations are down to "what helps". Cure seems out of reach.
Right, there is no cure for the human condition.
I believe a cure is possible, yet we always analyze each perplexity that confronts us. Analysis never ceases because we are always self observing, regardless of feeling unencumbered emotionally.
I really enjoy you videos and I appreciate sharing them with us .. but the political view that you inserted at the end was not necessary!
I think he could have started by contrasting individual or group pathologies with a social and historical, a contextual, perspective. As humans have become more instrumental over the physical environment especially via technologies, and not usually the most efficient technologies, and as the human social environment has become more capitalist - service oriented and consumerist - human populations have become tactical consumers, shoppers which impacts identity in terms of branding and status. Individuals are today citizen-customers to the corporate government(s). All thought and behavior is role related and deviations become stigmatized; consciousness is governed by power assertions, the effect of signifier, while the other and lower classes, the lower half of the population in terms of income, are burdened and encumbered with the unconscious via subconscious manipulation and perlocutionary interactions!
I definitely think trump would show up. Thick skinned narcissists are long standing clients.
I'd argue that racism is purly a result of socio-cultural factors.
Search socio-cultural factors build upon the psychological process called splitting where one thing is all good and another thing all bad. You can see how this gets extended to such things as weight good and black bad, Or the reverse, or men superior and women inferior, etc. The tendency to dominance/submission has roots in the psyche.
@@doncarveth Sorry, I didn't express myself properly. At some point, you indicated that it is from a society that we get our racism, heterosexism etc...Perhaps I misunderstood you. I argue that, for example, racism is ultimately based on basic instinctual factors and the tendency to evaluate an object (attitude formation). Prejudice did have an adaptive value from the evolutionary perspective. In current times, racism is associated with dogmatism and indeed it is perpetuated by socio-cultural factors but it is still rooted in basic biology. A key point to understand here is that for people evolutionary adaptions take over hundreds of thousands of years, whereas human culture changes at a dramatically faster pace. This also means that people's brains and nervous systems will not have had time to adapt to any great extent. I don't think we will ever solve the puzzle of biopsychosocial. These clearly can not be untangled.