Do you mean the surf range from Lift? I'd like to but next up will be the kujira 1440 and the Helium from Takuma. Hopefully I'll be testing the motor assist unit from Foil Drive soon, so I'll be using that for a while first
Hi Dominic, Thanks for this old Review. I'm thinking to buy the HPS 980 for my light wind wing.. I also have the 1150 but like it for dockstarts, for 75kg what do you think?
The 980 is a good size as a step down from the 1150. It's very versatile so can be used in a huge wind range, but I wouldn't class it as a super light wind wing. I would say it works best from 12 knots up
@@dominichoskyns9091 awesome stuff!! Thanks again! (regardless I'm sure the moment I'll buy it they will come with a new HPS series 🤣 but that's how it works isn't?! )
Hi Dominic, great review. I am keen on Takuma but have heard that the mast and assembly is not very robust, Wobbly masts and bent fuselages. When buying a foil I think you need to take into account the whole assembly and not just the front wing, how have you found the Takuma assembly after continued use? I am leaning more to the axis range based on the quality of the components, options and upgradability. Cheers
I've been riding Takuma and Axis for the last year and a half and I've never had a single problem with either. Takuma had a problem with a batch of fuselages a while ago but to my knowledge it's not a fault with any other than that batch. The Takuma mast does have some flex but it's really only noticeable with the 1440 as it's such a big wing, but this is only a problem if you hate flex. There's a lot of people who like the Takuma mast but they don't bang on about it like the people who don't. The Armstrong mast has flex and the Internet is full of likers and haters for that as well. It's true that some people have had issues with the connection between the Takuma foil and the fuse, but IMO these are very few when you consider the amount of foils Takuma have sold, trust me when I say the people who have had problems are in the minority and are usually people who push that equipment way more than the average user. Like I say, I've never had a single problem with my Takuma gear. Having said that the Axis system is a very robust, solid construction and their masts are super stiff, however the tradeoff is that it is heavier and thicker so there a bit more drag. Every brand has its pros and cons. I would say axis has the edge in terms of build quality and they have an awesome range of foils, but there's something about the kujira foils that is so damn good to ride that I wouldn't be without them. Personally I would decide based on the performance characteristics I want from a foil.
Great review! I use the takuma lol 1600 and realy love it, but its almost too much lift and I want more glide. I am probably godnatt buy the kujira 1210 pretty soon. One question do the kujira 1210 and 980 have the same tail/stab?
Yes unfortunately they both come with the 220. I like it for winging but I much prefer my 14.5" KDmaui tail. Apparently the SPG Mach 1 tail (also designed by Kane De Wilde) works really well with the 1210 and 980 as well and fits the Takuma fuselage.
Another great review, thank you for that. I am now considering the Kujira 1210 :-) instead of the Phantom 1280, but these winglets are kind of scary, how did you round them? Any special tool for carbon wings?
No special tool needed, just 2 grades of sand paper, a medium and the finest grit (preferably wet & dry) you can get, but it's not as critical as if you were sanding the leading edge or the top/bottom surface of the foil itself - the part of the tip you are sanding is so minimal it's not that big a deal. You're not looking to take off that much, literally just to take down the back corner of the wingtip so it is rounded. Just 2 or 3 mm on that back corner, nothing else is needed. Once you are able to feel with your fingertip that it's not a sharp corner anymore then that's all that's needed. 95% of my wingtips remain and I think they are as safe as they could be unless you took them down by half or more, but I think that would be taking away their performance. I no longer feel that they will gouge me, or do any more damage to me than any other foils wingtip
Thank you for this excellent review and analysis. My question is since I already own the Gofoil NL160 and love it. What would the best or most worthwhile compliment to the NL? I also have a Project Cedrus mast with Axis and Lift adapters and can also get an adapter for Kujira wings .
Hey, great question - If you have and love the NL160 then I wouldn't get the HPS980, Lift 170 or the kujira 1210 as they are all designed for the same conditions. The BSC 890 could be a good choice if you want a foil primarily for surfing, but not if you're wanting another foil for winging for the same reason as the others. If you want another foil for lighter wind/smaller conditions then the PNL185 would be great as it's so versatile - it can handle lighter conditions much better than the NL160 etc, but it doesn't top out when the conditions get stronger, BUT it's not the best foil if you want one purely for the lightest of winds. If you want a foil for stronger wind/bigger conditions then the kujira 980 would be amazing, but then the NL130 could be a good choice for you as it would have the same riding characteristics as the NL160 that you already have.
Great review and very pleasant, thanks a lot👍👍👍. Myself 72kg, only wingfoiling, what would be the range for the 1210? I got 6m ensis and 5slick and 47l board. From 12 knots wind on? So for light Wind winging. And the 980? Does it need much more wind? For pumping it up, is it front foot sensitive? Tried the other day the Armstrong ha 1125 and it worked but it was very tiring and very sensitive to front foot pressure. The moment you pushed a little too much my the foil would go down immediately
At 72kg and using the 6m Ensis i would have thought you'll get it on foil in 12 knots for sure with the 1210, maybe even less with good technique. I can get the 1210 on foil with a 7m Slick in 10 knots with a 43 ltr board and I'm 82kg. The 980 does need more wind, but only 2 or 3 knots more with the same size wing. It's foot pressure is exactly the same as the 1210 - they are both really well balanced and have super easy pitch control.
Thanks for the great reviews. I am learning to Prone foil. Have quite a bit of experience wing foiling and flat water pumping. I have Axis png 1150 and 910 wings. I usually only have small waves to ride and weigh 70kg. I thought the 1150 would be the better choice because of its lift but i'm finding it very hard to paddle and catch waves when using it. Seems the 910 allows me to paddle faster and catch more waves. So two questions. Is trhe 910 the better choice from what I have to start learing prone? What other front wings would you reccommend? I don't have a black fuse yet so would consider other brands like the takuma kujira. May just keep the axis 1150 set up for pump foiling. My freind uses kujira for wing and prone and loves them.
The 1150 is definitely not a good choice for prone foiling, especially at 70kg. If you like the 910 (it's one of my favourites) and you want a bigger foil then the 1010 sits directly between them in size. You'll catch waves that you can't with the 910, but it's slower because it's bigger. No where near as slow as the 1150 though. I think of the 1010 as being the big brother of the 910, (still a lot of fun on small waves) whereas the 1150 for me is only for dock starting and flat water pumping. It's got too much lift, is too slow and not maneuverable enough for use in waves
@@dominichoskyns9091 Thanks for the response. Got a good deal on a 1210 and 980 kujira. For now will likely sell the 910 and keep the 1150 for docks. do you think the 1210 would be good for me for prone or should I possilby be adding a helium wing? lastly any wings in the takuma line up that could replace my png1150 for dockstarts?
@@mikeb4414 the 1210 & 980 kujiras are awesome foils. Superb design and performance, but the build quality, especially of the mast and fuselage and connections let them down for me. The biggest in the kujira range is the 1440 but that's definitely not comparable to the 1150. The closest to the 1150 would be the Helum 1750. Very easy to dock start and pump
@@dominichoskyns9091 Thanks so much Dominic. Gonna just keep my 1150 for dock starts and super light wind winging. getting a custom takuma fuse made to go on my axis masts. Should be better quality/stiffness than the Takuma stuff. Also able to get it in the 60cm length instead of the stock 65cm offered by Takuma. May eventually buy a 1500 or 1700 Helium. Likely more fun than the 1150 for light wind. My buddy uses the helium 1500 for prone in small waves and loves it.
Nice Work, a lot of testing...probably fun to do but it certainly demand commitment and concentration...where most of us just want to have fun, so kudo to you!! I was wondering if you can measure from trailing edge of the mast to trailing edge of the stab for each brand? Wonder is some hypothesis could be raised from those measurement and maybe more test. ;-)
Yes it takes concentration and can get frustrating at times always having to take time to get used to new gear, but the flip side is that riding different gear really helps me to improve as I notice things when on new gear so it helps a lot. Defo fun as well 😄 Measuring the mast to the stab would depend on what length fuse you use. With GoFoil I use both long and short fuse depending on what I'm doing. With the Axis foils I mostly use the ultra short fuse but also use the short and standard occasionally. With Lift the smallest tail has a longer fuse so again its different. The only one that is always the same is Takuma who only have one size fuselage
Thanks for the review. I'm always using my Axis HPS880 when I'm winging but now I'm looking for something next level performance and harder to use (HPS is too stable haha). I was eying the Kujira 980, I don't think the Kujira will be faster but way more playful from what you say, what do you think ? I'm 78Kg. Cheers!
The kujira 980 is soooooo reactive therefore = heaps of fun. I have to admit I haven't used the HPS 880 but from using the HPS 980 I would say the kujiras are more responsive, and the kujira 980 is wayyyyy more so than even the 1210, which is comparable to the HPS 980/930. HOWEVER, if you want a slightly bigger leap away from the HPS880 and a MASSIVE jump in nuked out performance then you could go for the kujira 750🤙Or... from what I've heard about it the Lift HA120 is the bomb - super fast and reactive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@dominichoskyns9091 thanks, the kujira 750 is too small for wing. It's even smaller than axis HPS700 which I only use for kite foiling and over 25kn winging. Despite turning amazing It lacks glide compared to HPS880. Have you had a chance to try the kujira 178 tail?
@@tom-foil no i haven't tried the 178 tail. The only thing I've heard about it is from Piros who says he prefers if over the 13.5" KDmaui tail for tow foiling as it handles speed really well.
@@tom-foil How is your 880 for carving? I'm looking for a fun prone wing that can rip carves and still pump out the back on waist to stomach high days, 75kg advanced foiler
Apart from having someone manufacture a bespoke fuse, as far as I know Project Cedrus is the only company that makes a mast that allows different fuses to fit the same mast
Thanks for a great review! Due to quality issues with my Naish Jet HA1800 foil, I have the option to upgrade to Axis. Original plan was BSC 970, but after your review I’m considering the HPS 1050 for winging in choppy Baltic sea conditions, 110 l board 93 kg BW. I’ve only started foiling this summer and would be interested in your opinion regarding if this setup could be used by a beginner/intermediate wingfoiler? Also, would PNG1300 and HPS980 be a good 2 quiver setup(not considering personal bankruptcy)- Thanks!
The BSC is a good option if you are doing a lot of SUP foiling on small waves. Its great as a beginner foil for winging but if you are past the very early beginner stage I think it would limit your progression as its very slow. The HPS 1050 and 930 would be an amazing quiver - although too technical for complete beginners they are surprisingly easy to use as long as you have some experience and are reasonably skilled. The PNG 1300 is a light wind, small swell gliding machine. I look at it as the longboarding equivalent of foiling. It carves really nicely but don't expect to be able to whip it around quickly, its wingspan is huge and it will throw you off, but it does what its designed to do beautifully so if it suits your conditions, the 1300 and HPS 980 would also be an amazing quiver
Generally speaking, size for size, the bigger the aspect ratio the foil is, the higher take off speed it needs, so from these foils the HPS needs the most speed to get on foil, but there's not much difference between the BSC 890, kujira 1210 & NL160 because they are all fairly mid aspect ratio. The kujira 980 is also mid aspect but is much smaller than the others so will need more speed to get on foil than those foils on test. The PNL185 has a much bigger wingspan than the others so has more lift at slower speeds. The new ART frame from Axis are super high aspect and they need very high speed to get onto foil. In terms of pitch do you mean stability? The kujiras and Axis foils are all super stable in their pitch control. The NL160 has some pitch instability at times especially when carving which can make for some interesting 'oh s**t' moments 😂 The PNL185 is stable in its pitch but can have some wingtip wobble, although not as much as the P180. Hope this helps 🤙
@@dominichoskyns9091 Thanks for the quick response :-) what about the Lift 170 ? how would you discribe it regarding all these ? do you jump with the foil ? have any comments ?
@@tsurdarabi3289 the lift HA170 is slightly smaller than the others in the test, although not quite as small as the kujira 980, but it has a similar performance range (suitable for use in the same conditions) as the others. It's lift speed is between the HPS and the others. It pumps well and in terms of speed it's massive a bit faster than the kujira 1210 but slower than the HPS980. It's main is how easy it is to roll from rail to rail which makes for lightning fast, tight turns, although unless your skill level is up to it that can feel too loose for some. It rides with much more pressure from the back foot compared to the kujiras and Axis which are ride with a very even pressure between both feet, which makes sense as Nick Leason designs then and he's from a shortboard surf background. I don't jump at all so I can't comment on that I'm afraid
Nice review! I suspect part of your information about handling in turns was missing important information about the stabiliser and fuselage length you were running, i.e. the Takuma Kujira is reputed to ship with a rather long fuselage which explains the stability. I've 3D designed some tubercle foils myself, at the stage of preparing to mould off 3D printed models. They will fit Axis Black fuselage. i have a feeling that the soft initiation of getting on foil you are describing is due to the tubercles working individually to attach flow so that you can experience partial (stalled) flow detachment without it spreading over the whole wing. I have a wavy monofoil I designed which does a similar thing, it can have a really high angle of attack without stalling out, so long as I still have a bit of speed. I'm curious as to your feedback on weight, was it related to the foil's thicknesses perhaps? Hard to know whether they are solid carbon or foam core. I suspect most of the thicker wings are foam core and most of the stabilisers solid carbon.
The beauty of the kujiras is that despite the long fuse they turn like you're on a short fuse, especially the 980,it's got the best surf feel and it's soooooo maneuverable and well behaved. As for the turbicules and other design aspects, I'd rather stick to how the foil feels rather than what each design aspect brings as they all effect each other so it's impossible to say what is responsible for what. GoFoil have got their steps, Takuma their turbicules, and other brands have their own magic sauce. TBH that's what I think it is sometimes, magic 🤣
Out of these the HPS is the thinnest. I can't tell you how thick it is as I moved it on when axis sent me the ART foils, which are definitely the thinnest foils I have ever used
Love the duel video play off ... and great foil skills
As usual, a clear concise and informative review. I wish you could get on the lift v2. I'd like to hear your feedback on them. Keep up the great work.
Do you mean the surf range from Lift? I'd like to but next up will be the kujira 1440 and the Helium from Takuma. Hopefully I'll be testing the motor assist unit from Foil Drive soon, so I'll be using that for a while first
Thanx for making this review Dominic, very informative, liked it a lot.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Looking forward to the comparison of the Kujira 980, NL 130, Armstrong 1250, and for older reference GL140
Haha I wish - the 980 yes, maybe the 1440 and possibly the Helium, BUT coming next I'll hopefully be reviewing the FoilDrive (motor assist) unit.
Hi Dominic, Thanks for this old Review.
I'm thinking to buy the HPS 980 for my light wind wing.. I also have the 1150 but like it for dockstarts, for 75kg what do you think?
The 980 is a good size as a step down from the 1150. It's very versatile so can be used in a huge wind range, but I wouldn't class it as a super light wind wing. I would say it works best from 12 knots up
@@dominichoskyns9091Ok make sense actually I believe the 1150 and the 1050 are too close so wanted a bit quicker but yet with enough lift. Thanks!
@@Yanivkahana exactly! When it's super light before 12 knots) you'll be on the 1150 and from 12 knots you'll be on the 980. Perfect 🤙
@@dominichoskyns9091 awesome stuff!! Thanks again! (regardless I'm sure the moment I'll buy it they will come with a new HPS series 🤣 but that's how it works isn't?! )
Hi Dominic, great review. I am keen on Takuma but have heard that the mast and assembly is not very robust, Wobbly masts and bent fuselages. When buying a foil I think you need to take into account the whole assembly and not just the front wing, how have you found the Takuma assembly after continued use?
I am leaning more to the axis range based on the quality of the components, options and upgradability.
Cheers
I've been riding Takuma and Axis for the last year and a half and I've never had a single problem with either. Takuma had a problem with a batch of fuselages a while ago but to my knowledge it's not a fault with any other than that batch. The Takuma mast does have some flex but it's really only noticeable with the 1440 as it's such a big wing, but this is only a problem if you hate flex. There's a lot of people who like the Takuma mast but they don't bang on about it like the people who don't. The Armstrong mast has flex and the Internet is full of likers and haters for that as well. It's true that some people have had issues with the connection between the Takuma foil and the fuse, but IMO these are very few when you consider the amount of foils Takuma have sold, trust me when I say the people who have had problems are in the minority and are usually people who push that equipment way more than the average user. Like I say, I've never had a single problem with my Takuma gear. Having said that the Axis system is a very robust, solid construction and their masts are super stiff, however the tradeoff is that it is heavier and thicker so there a bit more drag. Every brand has its pros and cons. I would say axis has the edge in terms of build quality and they have an awesome range of foils, but there's something about the kujira foils that is so damn good to ride that I wouldn't be without them. Personally I would decide based on the performance characteristics I want from a foil.
Hi Dominic, thanks for taking the time to reply and for your honest experience with the kit.
Great review thank you
Great review! I use the takuma lol 1600 and realy love it, but its almost too much lift and I want more glide. I am probably godnatt buy the kujira 1210 pretty soon. One question do the kujira 1210 and 980 have the same tail/stab?
Yes unfortunately they both come with the 220. I like it for winging but I much prefer my 14.5" KDmaui tail. Apparently the SPG Mach 1 tail (also designed by Kane De Wilde) works really well with the 1210 and 980 as well and fits the Takuma fuselage.
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Ok thanks. Maybe you should do a kdmaui review! :)
Dominic, very thorough as always, have you tried the Go Foil GT and RS series as well as the FT stabs?
Unfortunately not, I don't use GoFoil anymore, only Axis and Takuma at the moment.
Another great review, thank you for that. I am now considering the Kujira 1210 :-) instead of the Phantom 1280, but these winglets are kind of scary, how did you round them? Any special tool for carbon wings?
No special tool needed, just 2 grades of sand paper, a medium and the finest grit (preferably wet & dry) you can get, but it's not as critical as if you were sanding the leading edge or the top/bottom surface of the foil itself - the part of the tip you are sanding is so minimal it's not that big a deal. You're not looking to take off that much, literally just to take down the back corner of the wingtip so it is rounded. Just 2 or 3 mm on that back corner, nothing else is needed. Once you are able to feel with your fingertip that it's not a sharp corner anymore then that's all that's needed. 95% of my wingtips remain and I think they are as safe as they could be unless you took them down by half or more, but I think that would be taking away their performance. I no longer feel that they will gouge me, or do any more damage to me than any other foils wingtip
@@dominichoskyns9091 thank you much for the explanation 👍 very clear!
Thank you for this excellent review and analysis. My question is since I already own the Gofoil NL160 and love it. What would the best or most worthwhile compliment to the NL? I also have a Project Cedrus mast with Axis and Lift adapters and can also get an adapter for Kujira wings .
Hey, great question - If you have and love the NL160 then I wouldn't get the HPS980, Lift 170 or the kujira 1210 as they are all designed for the same conditions. The BSC 890 could be a good choice if you want a foil primarily for surfing, but not if you're wanting another foil for winging for the same reason as the others. If you want another foil for lighter wind/smaller conditions then the PNL185 would be great as it's so versatile - it can handle lighter conditions much better than the NL160 etc, but it doesn't top out when the conditions get stronger, BUT it's not the best foil if you want one purely for the lightest of winds. If you want a foil for stronger wind/bigger conditions then the kujira 980 would be amazing, but then the NL130 could be a good choice for you as it would have the same riding characteristics as the NL160 that you already have.
Great review and very pleasant, thanks a lot👍👍👍. Myself 72kg, only wingfoiling, what would be the range for the 1210? I got 6m ensis and 5slick and 47l board. From 12 knots wind on? So for light Wind winging. And the 980? Does it need much more wind? For pumping it up, is it front foot sensitive? Tried the other day the Armstrong ha 1125 and it worked but it was very tiring and very sensitive to front foot pressure. The moment you pushed a little too much my the foil would go down immediately
At 72kg and using the 6m Ensis i would have thought you'll get it on foil in 12 knots for sure with the 1210, maybe even less with good technique. I can get the 1210 on foil with a 7m Slick in 10 knots with a 43 ltr board and I'm 82kg. The 980 does need more wind, but only 2 or 3 knots more with the same size wing. It's foot pressure is exactly the same as the 1210 - they are both really well balanced and have super easy pitch control.
Thanks for the great reviews. I am learning to Prone foil. Have quite a bit of experience wing foiling and flat water pumping. I have Axis png 1150 and 910 wings. I usually only have small waves to ride and weigh 70kg. I thought the 1150 would be the better choice because of its lift but i'm finding it very hard to paddle and catch waves when using it. Seems the 910 allows me to paddle faster and catch more waves. So two questions. Is trhe 910 the better choice from what I have to start learing prone? What other front wings would you reccommend? I don't have a black fuse yet so would consider other brands like the takuma kujira. May just keep the axis 1150 set up for pump foiling. My freind uses kujira for wing and prone and loves them.
The 1150 is definitely not a good choice for prone foiling, especially at 70kg. If you like the 910 (it's one of my favourites) and you want a bigger foil then the 1010 sits directly between them in size. You'll catch waves that you can't with the 910, but it's slower because it's bigger. No where near as slow as the 1150 though. I think of the 1010 as being the big brother of the 910, (still a lot of fun on small waves) whereas the 1150 for me is only for dock starting and flat water pumping. It's got too much lift, is too slow and not maneuverable enough for use in waves
@@dominichoskyns9091 Thanks for the response. Got a good deal on a 1210 and 980 kujira. For now will likely sell the 910 and keep the 1150 for docks. do you think the 1210 would be good for me for prone or should I possilby be adding a helium wing? lastly any wings in the takuma line up that could replace my png1150 for dockstarts?
@@mikeb4414 the 1210 & 980 kujiras are awesome foils. Superb design and performance, but the build quality, especially of the mast and fuselage and connections let them down for me. The biggest in the kujira range is the 1440 but that's definitely not comparable to the 1150. The closest to the 1150 would be the Helum 1750. Very easy to dock start and pump
@@dominichoskyns9091 Thanks so much Dominic. Gonna just keep my 1150 for dock starts and super light wind winging. getting a custom takuma fuse made to go on my axis masts. Should be better quality/stiffness than the Takuma stuff. Also able to get it in the 60cm length instead of the stock 65cm offered by Takuma. May eventually buy a 1500 or 1700 Helium. Likely more fun than the 1150 for light wind. My buddy uses the helium 1500 for prone in small waves and loves it.
Nice Work, a lot of testing...probably fun to do but it certainly demand commitment and concentration...where most of us just want to have fun, so kudo to you!! I was wondering if you can measure from trailing edge of the mast to trailing edge of the stab for each brand? Wonder is some hypothesis could be raised from those measurement and maybe more test. ;-)
Yes it takes concentration and can get frustrating at times always having to take time to get used to new gear, but the flip side is that riding different gear really helps me to improve as I notice things when on new gear so it helps a lot. Defo fun as well 😄 Measuring the mast to the stab would depend on what length fuse you use. With GoFoil I use both long and short fuse depending on what I'm doing. With the Axis foils I mostly use the ultra short fuse but also use the short and standard occasionally. With Lift the smallest tail has a longer fuse so again its different. The only one that is always the same is Takuma who only have one size fuselage
Thanks for the review. I'm always using my Axis HPS880 when I'm winging but now I'm looking for something next level performance and harder to use (HPS is too stable haha). I was eying the Kujira 980, I don't think the Kujira will be faster but way more playful from what you say, what do you think ? I'm 78Kg. Cheers!
The kujira 980 is soooooo reactive therefore = heaps of fun. I have to admit I haven't used the HPS 880 but from using the HPS 980 I would say the kujiras are more responsive, and the kujira 980 is wayyyyy more so than even the 1210, which is comparable to the HPS 980/930. HOWEVER, if you want a slightly bigger leap away from the HPS880 and a MASSIVE jump in nuked out performance then you could go for the kujira 750🤙Or... from what I've heard about it the Lift HA120 is the bomb - super fast and reactive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@dominichoskyns9091 thanks, the kujira 750 is too small for wing. It's even smaller than axis HPS700 which I only use for kite foiling and over 25kn winging. Despite turning amazing It lacks glide compared to HPS880.
Have you had a chance to try the kujira 178 tail?
@@tom-foil no i haven't tried the 178 tail. The only thing I've heard about it is from Piros who says he prefers if over the 13.5" KDmaui tail for tow foiling as it handles speed really well.
@@tom-foil How is your 880 for carving? I'm looking for a fun prone wing that can rip carves and still pump out the back on waist to stomach high days, 75kg advanced foiler
@@ctduncan1 HPS880 is popular for prone too. It turns nicely but the BSC890 will turn slightly better. Go BSC if you're doing just prone.
Good job, thanks
What about foil, fuse and mast compatibility? What mast/fuse allows for the most foil options, new and used.
Apart from having someone manufacture a bespoke fuse, as far as I know Project Cedrus is the only company that makes a mast that allows different fuses to fit the same mast
Thanks for a great review! Due to quality issues with my Naish Jet HA1800 foil, I have the option to upgrade to Axis. Original plan was BSC 970, but after your review I’m considering the HPS 1050 for winging in choppy Baltic sea conditions, 110 l board 93 kg BW. I’ve only started foiling this summer and would be interested in your opinion regarding if this setup could be used by a beginner/intermediate wingfoiler? Also, would PNG1300 and HPS980 be a good 2 quiver setup(not considering personal bankruptcy)- Thanks!
The BSC is a good option if you are doing a lot of SUP foiling on small waves. Its great as a beginner foil for winging but if you are past the very early beginner stage I think it would limit your progression as its very slow. The HPS 1050 and 930 would be an amazing quiver - although too technical for complete beginners they are surprisingly easy to use as long as you have some experience and are reasonably skilled. The PNG 1300 is a light wind, small swell gliding machine. I look at it as the longboarding equivalent of foiling. It carves really nicely but don't expect to be able to whip it around quickly, its wingspan is huge and it will throw you off, but it does what its designed to do beautifully so if it suits your conditions, the 1300 and HPS 980 would also be an amazing quiver
@@dominichoskyns9091 Thanks, really appreciate your fast reply and knowledge. Keep those videos coming please!
thanks for all the information, very detailed.
can you tell about the lift speed and pitch ?
Generally speaking, size for size, the bigger the aspect ratio the foil is, the higher take off speed it needs, so from these foils the HPS needs the most speed to get on foil, but there's not much difference between the BSC 890, kujira 1210 & NL160 because they are all fairly mid aspect ratio. The kujira 980 is also mid aspect but is much smaller than the others so will need more speed to get on foil than those foils on test. The PNL185 has a much bigger wingspan than the others so has more lift at slower speeds. The new ART frame from Axis are super high aspect and they need very high speed to get onto foil.
In terms of pitch do you mean stability? The kujiras and Axis foils are all super stable in their pitch control. The NL160 has some pitch instability at times especially when carving which can make for some interesting 'oh s**t' moments 😂 The PNL185 is stable in its pitch but can have some wingtip wobble, although not as much as the P180. Hope this helps 🤙
@@dominichoskyns9091 Thanks for the quick response :-)
what about the Lift 170 ? how would you discribe it regarding all these ?
do you jump with the foil ? have any comments ?
@@tsurdarabi3289 the lift HA170 is slightly smaller than the others in the test, although not quite as small as the kujira 980, but it has a similar performance range (suitable for use in the same conditions) as the others. It's lift speed is between the HPS and the others. It pumps well and in terms of speed it's massive a bit faster than the kujira 1210 but slower than the HPS980. It's main is how easy it is to roll from rail to rail which makes for lightning fast, tight turns, although unless your skill level is up to it that can feel too loose for some. It rides with much more pressure from the back foot compared to the kujiras and Axis which are ride with a very even pressure between both feet, which makes sense as Nick Leason designs then and he's from a shortboard surf background.
I don't jump at all so I can't comment on that I'm afraid
Nice review! I suspect part of your information about handling in turns was missing important information about the stabiliser and fuselage length you were running, i.e. the Takuma Kujira is reputed to ship with a rather long fuselage which explains the stability. I've 3D designed some tubercle foils myself, at the stage of preparing to mould off 3D printed models. They will fit Axis Black fuselage. i have a feeling that the soft initiation of getting on foil you are describing is due to the tubercles working individually to attach flow so that you can experience partial (stalled) flow detachment without it spreading over the whole wing. I have a wavy monofoil I designed which does a similar thing, it can have a really high angle of attack without stalling out, so long as I still have a bit of speed. I'm curious as to your feedback on weight, was it related to the foil's thicknesses perhaps? Hard to know whether they are solid carbon or foam core. I suspect most of the thicker wings are foam core and most of the stabilisers solid carbon.
The beauty of the kujiras is that despite the long fuse they turn like you're on a short fuse, especially the 980,it's got the best surf feel and it's soooooo maneuverable and well behaved. As for the turbicules and other design aspects, I'd rather stick to how the foil feels rather than what each design aspect brings as they all effect each other so it's impossible to say what is responsible for what. GoFoil have got their steps, Takuma their turbicules, and other brands have their own magic sauce. TBH that's what I think it is sometimes, magic 🤣
Which wing has the thinnest profile? What is the thickness of the thinnest wing?
Out of these the HPS is the thinnest. I can't tell you how thick it is as I moved it on when axis sent me the ART foils, which are definitely the thinnest foils I have ever used