Hi Dominic, thanks for your authentic and really sympathetic descriptions of your foil experiences. Very inspiring! Although only very few people do it in my area, it shows, that we all feel the same excitement and it’s worth it to spend plenty of time exercising the pump & glide. Thumbs up from Berlin, Sven
Great review and comparison, Dominic! I wholeheartedly agree with what you shared ... and I breath a huge sigh of relief that you experienced the same things I did!
Every single one of your reviews have been bang on the money IMO - I really enjoy watching them, you give great insight, and soooo much more professionally edited than my videos🤣
You have done an excellent job of answering the questions I had about these wings. My wife and I each have an 1150 and both love this foil. I prefer the 1010 but not by much and if it is light then I swap back to the 1150. Have not seen anyone using the 1300 so your comparison is very very usefull, thanks so much! Happy foiling and stay healthy (easy for us, we live in New Zealand).
Dominic, I've got a 6-845 l board with a foil drive assist plus. I've been riding an axis S-series 1000 front foil, 1388cmsq, 7.2 aspect ratio with a standard fuselage 75 cm mast and 400 cm tail. I want to continue to use the red fuse. I'm looking at two possible front wings. One is the PNG 1150 which I know you're very familiar with. The other possible front foil is the BSC 1060, 1803 cmsq 6.51 aspect ratio. I'm here on Maui and just getting into the downwinding end of things. The board weighs 18 lb (8.165kg). I'll be done wind paddles sup foiling. I'll try when the wind and swell is building. THE FDA PLUS should get me up easily on either foil. I'm wondering which one would be best for me to start out with? Any inputs would be well appreciated. Aloha and blessings, Don
Yes, they are worlds apart. The 1150 is very slow compared to the 1201, but it has amazing lift at really low speeds. It excels at pumping and it’s really forgiving due to such a low stall speed. The 1201 is a much faster foil. It has a very high aspect ratio which means it needs speed to generate lift. However it is VERY efficient and has AMAZING glide. The 1201 has a slightly higher stall speed than the 1150. It again pumps really well but needs a slightly different technique to get the best out of it.
Thanks for a great review. Can you say what profile thickness these foils are - they look very thin from the front views. My Neil Pryde XL is around 1 3/8" thick!
G’day, I’m wondering if these foils would work in decent head high waves? I have a HPS 880, but sometimes we’ve got the swell and only 10 knots. Cheers, great channel.
I'm afraid not. No way. That's a definite no. Please don't even try. Seriously, in waves of that size they have wayyyyy goo much lift - they will instantly overfoil and propel you off the back in a split second and then the wave will repeatedly dump the foil on top of you. Even in head high swell the 1150 will have too much lift and will overfoil at the speed the swell travels. The 1300 can handle fairly big swell as its lift is more progressive, but IMO is that even the 1300 is too big for head high swell. When the swell is that big I'll be on the ART 899 or the 999 at the most. In the type of swell we get in 10 knots yes, I'll be using the 1300, but in 10 knots the swell we get is very small, therefore 100% suitable for a foil that size. If you feel you need a bigger foil even if the swell is very big I would say the HPS 980 would be good or maybe the 1050 would be the biggest that would be suitable. This is all based on the conditions I'm used to, so without seeing the conditions you have it's hard to compare so I might be wrong, but usually head high is head high😂
Thanks for the info. I’m on the Gold Coast, Australia, I usually use the HPS 880, but I can’t get that going in under 12knts. Might need to pick up the 8m CWC. Cool channel mate🤙🤙🤙
I have an 1150 on a fanatic 5'10 105l downwind board using foil drive and catch head high swells at granite on the Sunshine Coast. Pretty much point and shoot with very slow turns. I love the setup but will looking to get a smaller foil to try soon. Ps I'm not riding white water. Just swells out wide of the break where there are no crowds.
For flat water pumping the bigger foil the longer you can pump for, so the 1150 will be best. At your weight you'll probably be able to dock start the 1010 but it'll be harder, take more effort and you'll not last as long, but if you're just looking to catch and ride small waves, and pump between them then the 1010 will be your best bet. Having said that it also depends if your'e prone foiling or SUP foiling ;-)
@@dominichoskyns9091 Hi, i bit of all. Mostly for flatwaterpumping, stealing some small wakes, also wakesurf in the 4th wake, light wind winging. i don‘t know if i can turn the 1150 well enough in some small waves, also if it‘s fast enough to stay in the wave. Or if the 1010 would be the better choice for me. Thanks a million
@@drlv3250 yeah I feel you, this is the question that is most difficult for so many people - we all want a foil that is easy to pump and can ride small very small waves, AND we want it to turn easily as well. Unfortunately foils that are easy to pump and can ride small waves have to be big and therefore do not turn very well. Your choice is either to use the 1150 which will be easier to pump but doesn't turn very well, or to use the 1010 which turns much better but it's harder to pump. One thing that will help is to get the advance crazyshort fuselage and the p350 rear stabiiser. The advance fuse will help the 1150 to turn MUCH better, and at 70kg you'll be able to get good pump performance from the p350 which will help its maneuverability as well. The p400 would be a good compromise in helping you to pump but again you'll sacrifice a bit of maneuverability, but that might be a good thing while you're learning. Hope this helps
I recently (2 days ago) got PNG 1150 and I am happy with it overall as a low intermediate level wing foiler (I can jibe, but cannot tack yet). So far, I have tried RRD 2000 cm2 (AR=6? ), Starboard S type 2000 cm2, Gaastra 2000 cm2. I had a difficult time jibing initially when I changed to PNG 1150 because it just did not turn right enough, but now I think am getting used to it. I recently progressed pretty fast and that is probably why, but I do not see the big difference between other 2000 cm2 foils and the PNG 1150 (1778 cm2) which is 10% smaller. I think it glides better and surely pumps better. Maybe I will feel the difference when I get better wing foiler...
I haven't used the other foils that you have mentioned so I can't comment on them, but the 1150 is designed to have a lot of lift at low speed. For a relatively high aspect foil is quite slow, but because of that it's a very easy foil to use in a huge range of conditions. Due to its large wingspan its not the quickest to turn or to change direction, but it is very predictable and easy to control. Most people find it's a really good foil to learn new tricks and to progress with.
@@dominichoskyns9091 Yeah, PNG1150 is thinner (?) and smaller than other 2000 cm2 foils I have used, but it does not seem to be faster. Currently, my tail foil is 500 cm and I am going to get a smaller one (440 cm?) to see if it would work better. Overall, I am happy with PNG 1150. I am torn between PNG 1010 and HPS 1050 for my next smaller foil though... 🙄🤔
@@Tobeon2 Although the 1010 is a great SUP or prone foil I wouldn't get it for winging, it's too slow. I would go for the HPS 1050 or the HPS 980 would be a great option depending on the wind levels where you ride
@@dominichoskyns9091 Oh... Thank you for your advise. I guess I am getting a new wing & fusalage... Well.. rear wing too.... Come to think of it, I should get a whole new set of HPS series including a carbon mast and rear wing (I am using 500 cm2 rear wing now... 😁😜)
@@trevorjamesmatthews you can use the 460 but I prefer the progressive stabs as they give more control. For downwinding with the 1300 I use the p350, but the p375 or the p400 are great as well of you don't want to go that small. The p350 is fast and turns much better but you do lose a bit of pump performance. The p400 pumps amazingly well and is super stable. That's the good thing about the progressive stabs, you can choose the exact size to match your requirements
@@dominichoskyns9091 thanks for this, looks like the last part of your comment got cut off as you were describing the p400. very curious to hear what you had to say. and thank you for this help!
Hi Dominic, about to pull the trigger on the 1300 (90% sure over the 1150) to partner my 6m unit (might get bigger slick) @ 90kg. what smaller wing would you then jump to, to partner with the big one (currently with a 4m unit) for winds 17-24kt...HPS 980? or PNG910 (remain on same fus)?
I know it means getting 2 fuses but the HPS 980 is the bomb in that range. The 910 will be a bit slow. The 910 is all about pumping between waves. If its winging then the HPS for smaller foils every time
Definitely the 1150. Its the best foil available for flat water pumping by a million miles. The 1300 is easy to pump when it has a bit of a push, either from a wind wing or from some swell (downwinding) but its not great for flat water pumping as it's stall speed is too high which means you have to put in sooo much more effort to keep it going and it's less forgiving of mistakes.
The ultrashort. I know the longer fuses give a bit more efficiency for pure flat water pumping but the ultrashort is much more maneuverable and you can push much match the efficiency by using a slightly faster pump cadence
Great review Dominic, thanks ! How would you rate these to foils in terms of getting up on foil ? I really struggle to get on foil in light winds and is nowhere near your lower end windspeeds(110 l board @ 90 kg, Slick 7m and HPS 1050, flat water). Of course this comes down to my technique- but I'm wondering if you think any of these two foils would make it significantly easier for the average Joe to get up on foil with my set up ?
There's no doubt you can get on foil in lighter winds with the 1150 or 1300, and out of those 2 the 1150 is slightly easier. The HPS 1050 is superior when up and gliding, but it needs more power or speed to get it up on foil. The 1150 is much slower than the 1050 but at least you're up and foiling ;-)
Thank you both. The question I had was asked and answered! 😋😍 I just started Wing Foiling and used only 2400 cm & 2000 cm2 front foil (Ocean Surf). In fact, I was (still am) so beginner that I set up my tail wing upside down for while, yet I had no issue foiling.. 😂🤣.. In fact, it was more stable that way with respect to yaw control... 😜😁 I weight 75 kg and think I am going to try AXIS Png 1150 based on your review and maybe 1300 in the near future..
Hi. I am wandering about with which equipment learn. If can , maybe have a call/chat, I will pay to compensate for your time. The situation here In Israel, the whole summer we have light winds in the sea 9-11knots, having experience with sup, a little windsurf and kitesurf, weight 97.
No compensation needed, I'm happy to help. At 97kg you'll need a board with at least 130 or 140 ltrs, the Axis PNG 1150 or BSC 1120, progressive 450 or 475 rear stab and the standard or short fuselage. For that wind range you'll need a7m or 8m wind wing, I would recommend the F-one CWC 8m. Any of those combination would be the ultimate beginner setup for light wind for you, and it can easily be upgraded as you get better
Great Video Dominic! I watched it twice. 🙂 I have fun Windsurf Foiling with my Starboard teamset. "Maybe one of my combos would work for Wing foiling with steady wind and practice?" It looks like fun to also Wingfoil. I would like to grow with any new gear I get and keep it for awile. Would be cool if the new foil would also work well for flat water foot pump foiling and get me flying in even less wind for Windsurf foiling. Do you feel the Axis 1150 is easyer to learn Wing foiling on? "with not much chop at a lake 8+ knots of wind" Do you think I need more wind or a larger hand Wing to get the 1300 to flight vs the 1150? Or is the big difference between the two with a Hand Wing the 1300 has better glide and the 1150 is more maneuverable? I probably missed some rave reviews but I wonder if Axis "1150/1300" is a bit better for foot foiling and Moses "W950/W1150" is a bit better for Windsurf foiling? Do you know if anyone has compaired the two? I weigh 77KG, any recommendation on my first foil front wing for Wing foiling? Thanks for any advice! 🙂
I'm afraid I know nothing about windfoiling and the suitability of those foils for other uses, nor do I know anything about moses foils. Out of the 1150 and 1300, I would say the 1300 is the best choice if there's any swell to ride as it just keeps gliding with a higher speed with even the smallest swell compared to the 1150, but if you're messing around on flat water, which I can imaging is the conditions you'll have on a lake, the 1150 is much easier to do any transitions and fast maneuvers.
Hi Dominic, great review, thanks for sharing! Just wondering what is your fuselage of choice for the 1150 for flat water pumping and the 1300 for downwinding respectively?
Tbe standard fuse for flat water pumping if I'm going for endurance/long distance. Everything else I use the ultra short as it still pumps well but turns much better/is much more responsive
Hi Dominic,
thanks for your authentic and really sympathetic descriptions of your foil experiences. Very inspiring! Although only very few people do it in my area, it shows, that we all feel the same excitement and it’s worth it to spend plenty of time exercising the pump & glide. Thumbs up from Berlin, Sven
My pleasure, thanks for the great feedback!!!!!!
Great review and comparison, Dominic! I wholeheartedly agree with what you shared ... and I breath a huge sigh of relief that you experienced the same things I did!
Every single one of your reviews have been bang on the money IMO - I really enjoy watching them, you give great insight, and soooo much more professionally edited than my videos🤣
@@dominichoskyns9091 editing doesn’t matter as long as content is good. Keep it going, D! I really enjoy watching your vids.
Thanks Dom , great review - we currently have stock of 1150 & 1300 wings and completes in the UK
You have done an excellent job of answering the questions I had about these wings. My wife and I each have an 1150 and both love this foil. I prefer the 1010 but not by much and if it is light then I swap back to the 1150. Have not seen anyone using the 1300 so your comparison is very very usefull, thanks so much! Happy foiling and stay healthy (easy for us, we live in New Zealand).
Really glad it was helpful - thanks for the feedback!!!!
This is superb, thanks so much
Dominic, I've got a 6-845 l board with a foil drive assist plus. I've been riding an axis S-series 1000 front foil, 1388cmsq, 7.2 aspect ratio with a standard fuselage 75 cm mast and 400 cm tail. I want to continue to use the red fuse. I'm looking at two possible front wings. One is the PNG 1150 which I know you're very familiar with. The other possible front foil is the BSC 1060, 1803 cmsq 6.51 aspect ratio. I'm here on Maui and just getting into the downwinding end of things. The board weighs 18 lb (8.165kg).
I'll be done wind paddles sup foiling. I'll try when the wind and swell is building. THE FDA PLUS should get me up easily on either foil. I'm wondering which one would be best for me to start out with? Any inputs would be well appreciated. Aloha and blessings, Don
Have you tried the new axis 1201 art pro and compare it to the 1150 png ?
Yes, they are worlds apart. The 1150 is very slow compared to the 1201, but it has amazing lift at really low speeds. It excels at pumping and it’s really forgiving due to such a low stall speed. The 1201 is a much faster foil. It has a very high aspect ratio which means it needs speed to generate lift. However it is VERY efficient and has AMAZING glide. The 1201 has a slightly higher stall speed than the 1150. It again pumps really well but needs a slightly different technique to get the best out of it.
Thanks for a great review. Can you say what profile thickness these foils are - they look very thin from the front views. My Neil Pryde XL is around 1 3/8" thick!
G’day, I’m wondering if these foils would work in decent head high waves? I have a HPS 880, but sometimes we’ve got the swell and only 10 knots. Cheers, great channel.
I'm afraid not. No way. That's a definite no. Please don't even try. Seriously, in waves of that size they have wayyyyy goo much lift - they will instantly overfoil and propel you off the back in a split second and then the wave will repeatedly dump the foil on top of you. Even in head high swell the 1150 will have too much lift and will overfoil at the speed the swell travels. The 1300 can handle fairly big swell as its lift is more progressive, but IMO is that even the 1300 is too big for head high swell. When the swell is that big I'll be on the ART 899 or the 999 at the most. In the type of swell we get in 10 knots yes, I'll be using the 1300, but in 10 knots the swell we get is very small, therefore 100% suitable for a foil that size. If you feel you need a bigger foil even if the swell is very big I would say the HPS 980 would be good or maybe the 1050 would be the biggest that would be suitable. This is all based on the conditions I'm used to, so without seeing the conditions you have it's hard to compare so I might be wrong, but usually head high is head high😂
Thanks for the info. I’m on the Gold Coast, Australia, I usually use the HPS 880, but I can’t get that going in under 12knts. Might need to pick up the 8m CWC. Cool channel mate🤙🤙🤙
I have an 1150 on a fanatic 5'10 105l downwind board using foil drive and catch head high swells at granite on the Sunshine Coast. Pretty much point and shoot with very slow turns. I love the setup but will looking to get a smaller foil to try soon. Ps I'm not riding white water. Just swells out wide of the break where there are no crowds.
I have 70kg, should i go for the 1150 or the 1010. looking for the best pumping foil.
For flat water pumping the bigger foil the longer you can pump for, so the 1150 will be best. At your weight you'll probably be able to dock start the 1010 but it'll be harder, take more effort and you'll not last as long, but if you're just looking to catch and ride small waves, and pump between them then the 1010 will be your best bet. Having said that it also depends if your'e prone foiling or SUP foiling ;-)
@@dominichoskyns9091 Hi, i bit of all. Mostly for flatwaterpumping, stealing some small wakes, also wakesurf in the 4th wake, light wind winging. i don‘t know if i can turn the 1150 well enough in some small waves, also if it‘s fast enough to stay in the wave. Or if the 1010 would be the better choice for me.
Thanks a million
@@drlv3250 yeah I feel you, this is the question that is most difficult for so many people - we all want a foil that is easy to pump and can ride small very small waves, AND we want it to turn easily as well. Unfortunately foils that are easy to pump and can ride small waves have to be big and therefore do not turn very well. Your choice is either to use the 1150 which will be easier to pump but doesn't turn very well, or to use the 1010 which turns much better but it's harder to pump.
One thing that will help is to get the advance crazyshort fuselage and the p350 rear stabiiser. The advance fuse will help the 1150 to turn MUCH better, and at 70kg you'll be able to get good pump performance from the p350 which will help its maneuverability as well. The p400 would be a good compromise in helping you to pump but again you'll sacrifice a bit of maneuverability, but that might be a good thing while you're learning. Hope this helps
I recently (2 days ago) got PNG 1150 and I am happy with it overall as a low intermediate level wing foiler (I can jibe, but cannot tack yet).
So far, I have tried RRD 2000 cm2 (AR=6? ), Starboard S type 2000 cm2, Gaastra 2000 cm2.
I had a difficult time jibing initially when I changed to PNG 1150 because it just did not turn right enough, but now I think am getting used to it.
I recently progressed pretty fast and that is probably why, but I do not see the big difference between other 2000 cm2 foils and the PNG 1150 (1778 cm2) which is 10% smaller. I think it glides better and surely pumps better. Maybe I will feel the difference when I get better wing foiler...
I haven't used the other foils that you have mentioned so I can't comment on them, but the 1150 is designed to have a lot of lift at low speed. For a relatively high aspect foil is quite slow, but because of that it's a very easy foil to use in a huge range of conditions. Due to its large wingspan its not the quickest to turn or to change direction, but it is very predictable and easy to control. Most people find it's a really good foil to learn new tricks and to progress with.
@@dominichoskyns9091 Yeah, PNG1150 is thinner (?) and smaller than other 2000 cm2 foils I have used, but it does not seem to be faster. Currently, my tail foil is 500 cm and I am going to get a smaller one (440 cm?) to see if it would work better.
Overall, I am happy with PNG 1150. I am torn between PNG 1010 and HPS 1050 for my next smaller foil though... 🙄🤔
@@Tobeon2 Although the 1010 is a great SUP or prone foil I wouldn't get it for winging, it's too slow. I would go for the HPS 1050 or the HPS 980 would be a great option depending on the wind levels where you ride
@@dominichoskyns9091 Oh... Thank you for your advise. I guess I am getting a new wing & fusalage... Well.. rear wing too.... Come to think of it, I should get a whole new set of HPS series including a carbon mast and rear wing (I am using 500 cm2 rear wing now... 😁😜)
Great review Dominic, which would you say is better between these two foils for SUP foiling downwind in windswell for someone who is 80kg?
Definitely the 1300
Thanks @@dominichoskyns9091, and would you pair that with the 460 high aspect tail?
@@trevorjamesmatthews you can use the 460 but I prefer the progressive stabs as they give more control. For downwinding with the 1300 I use the p350, but the p375 or the p400 are great as well of you don't want to go that small. The p350 is fast and turns much better but you do lose a bit of pump performance. The p400 pumps amazingly well and is super stable. That's the good thing about the progressive stabs, you can choose the exact size to match your requirements
@@dominichoskyns9091 thanks for this, looks like the last part of your comment got cut off as you were describing the p400. very curious to hear what you had to say. and thank you for this help!
@@trevorjamesmatthews it looks like it's all there. Did you click on 'read more' to view the whole message?
Hi Dominic, about to pull the trigger on the 1300 (90% sure over the 1150) to partner my 6m unit (might get bigger slick) @ 90kg. what smaller wing would you then jump to, to partner with the big one (currently with a 4m unit) for winds 17-24kt...HPS 980? or PNG910 (remain on same fus)?
I know it means getting 2 fuses but the HPS 980 is the bomb in that range. The 910 will be a bit slow. The 910 is all about pumping between waves. If its winging then the HPS for smaller foils every time
@@dominichoskyns9091 thanks...just gotta commit to 1150/980 or 1300/980!
So based on your experiences what setup would you recommend for an experienced foiler 83kg getting into flat water pumping ?
Definitely the 1150. Its the best foil available for flat water pumping by a million miles. The 1300 is easy to pump when it has a bit of a push, either from a wind wing or from some swell (downwinding) but its not great for flat water pumping as it's stall speed is too high which means you have to put in sooo much more effort to keep it going and it's less forgiving of mistakes.
Nice review -- what length fuselage do you like to use with the 1150?
The ultrashort. I know the longer fuses give a bit more efficiency for pure flat water pumping but the ultrashort is much more maneuverable and you can push much match the efficiency by using a slightly faster pump cadence
Great review Dominic, thanks ! How would you rate these to foils in terms of getting up on foil ? I really struggle to get on foil in light winds and is nowhere near your lower end windspeeds(110 l board @ 90 kg, Slick 7m and HPS 1050, flat water). Of course this comes down to my technique- but I'm wondering if you think any of these two foils would make it significantly easier for the average Joe to get up on foil with my set up ?
There's no doubt you can get on foil in lighter winds with the 1150 or 1300, and out of those 2 the 1150 is slightly easier. The HPS 1050 is superior when up and gliding, but it needs more power or speed to get it up on foil. The 1150 is much slower than the 1050 but at least you're up and foiling ;-)
@@dominichoskyns9091 great news-Thanks!
Thank you both. The question I had was asked and answered! 😋😍
I just started Wing Foiling and used only 2400 cm & 2000 cm2 front foil (Ocean Surf). In fact, I was (still am) so beginner that I set up my tail wing upside down for while, yet I had no issue foiling.. 😂🤣.. In fact, it was more stable that way with respect to yaw control... 😜😁
I weight 75 kg and think I am going to try AXIS Png 1150 based on your review and maybe 1300 in the near future..
Hi. I am wandering about with which equipment learn. If can , maybe have a call/chat, I will pay to compensate for your time. The situation here In Israel, the whole summer we have light winds in the sea 9-11knots, having experience with sup, a little windsurf and kitesurf, weight 97.
No compensation needed, I'm happy to help.
At 97kg you'll need a board with at least 130 or 140 ltrs, the Axis PNG 1150 or BSC 1120, progressive 450 or 475 rear stab and the standard or short fuselage. For that wind range you'll need a7m or 8m wind wing, I would recommend the F-one CWC 8m. Any of those combination would be the ultimate beginner setup for light wind for you, and it can easily be upgraded as you get better
Great Video Dominic! I watched it twice. 🙂
I have fun Windsurf Foiling with my Starboard teamset. "Maybe one of my combos would work for Wing foiling with steady wind and practice?" It looks like fun to also Wingfoil. I would like to grow with any new gear I get and keep it for awile. Would be cool if the new foil would also work well for flat water foot pump foiling and get me flying in even less wind for Windsurf foiling.
Do you feel the Axis 1150 is easyer to learn Wing foiling on? "with not much chop at a lake 8+ knots of wind"
Do you think I need more wind or a larger hand Wing to get the 1300 to flight vs the 1150? Or is the big difference between the two with a Hand Wing the 1300 has better glide and the 1150 is more maneuverable?
I probably missed some rave reviews but I wonder if Axis "1150/1300" is a bit better for foot foiling and Moses "W950/W1150" is a bit better for Windsurf foiling? Do you know if anyone has compaired the two?
I weigh 77KG, any recommendation on my first foil front wing for Wing foiling?
Thanks for any advice! 🙂
I'm afraid I know nothing about windfoiling and the suitability of those foils for other uses, nor do I know anything about moses foils. Out of the 1150 and 1300, I would say the 1300 is the best choice if there's any swell to ride as it just keeps gliding with a higher speed with even the smallest swell compared to the 1150, but if you're messing around on flat water, which I can imaging is the conditions you'll have on a lake, the 1150 is much easier to do any transitions and fast maneuvers.
Thanks Dominic!
Hi Dominic, great review, thanks for sharing!
Just wondering what is your fuselage of choice for the 1150 for flat water pumping and the 1300 for downwinding respectively?
Tbe standard fuse for flat water pumping if I'm going for endurance/long distance. Everything else I use the ultra short as it still pumps well but turns much better/is much more responsive
Typo, the board is 6 ft 8 in, 145 liters. I'll need to make my decision within the next two days if you can get back to me that would be great. Don
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