Still a great pump gun even though it is mostly plastic, ruclips.net/user/postUgkxh4su9YgU1tWmjikirWcKJbjsFLEU62Bc but with care it will last a long time. It would be neat if Crosman would make a commemorative version of this with real wood stock, but of course it would weigh more and cost more, but hey, it would be cool. The included scope is more of a toy, but it does work for backyard plinking. I prefer to use pellets for greater accuracy, but BBs are just as good for plinking. This is not a Red Ryder folks; fully pumped it is 3 times the power of a Red Ryder and can be dangerous if not handled properly. Be safe out there.
For what it's worth, I got a Winchester XPR chambered in .308 back in 2017 ($380) and it's been nothing but great. Amazing trigger, very accurate and never a misfire or ejection problem. Its weight is balanced, and wow the trigger is one of the best I've ever used regardless of rifle price.
The XPR is shockingly similar to the Browning A bolt. The only difference I saw was the bases for ring due to a slight difference in receiver cuts. They XPR rifles are amazingly high quality for the price.
On your mossberg, pull the action out of the stock. Take a 5/8 spark plug socket, wrap some sand paper around it and gently sand the inside of the stock to knock down any high spots on in the stock. I saw this on Tommy Rivers channel. The barrel is heating up and no longer free floating. I did this and it works.
@@nokachi3339nah fam thats the point. Yall got too comfortable on paying more for less and lax on politicians and what they are doing when you arent paying attention. Now heres what were left with. People believing that they have a rifle for 4 500 dollars but what they have is a 250 dollar rifle for 4 or 500. In reality.... > they have a 100 dollar gun for 4 or 500. Guns we pay 1500 2500 dollars . Case by case basis of course and inflation. We get fed dog shit, and we willfully eat it. Its all we have. Yfm ?
I bought a brand new 308 700. It wasn't in my possession for not even 24 hours and started rusting worse than the savage you had. I got it traded for a model 70. I grew up on remington, I hope that they can be saved
The 700 I bought seven years ago was the same deal, hadn't even gotten it out if the box after taking it home and evywhere I had touched it in the store was a rusty little fingerprint. Between that and its tendency to tumble bullets, I didn't keep it very long: replaced it with a Tikka T3 Lite.
Yeah Remingtons finish is crap in many cases now. I have an 870 that I bought around 2007 and even though it's been reliable it will rust like crazy in no time. The old Wingmasters were great but like most other Remington firearms they've fallen behind in quality. It's a shame because they used to produce great guns at good prices but they've just given up and been left in the dust by so many other companies. I grew up around Remington and Marlin firearms and Remington even managed to ruin Marlin after they bought them. I have high hopes that Ruger will save the Marlin name now that they're making them
@@SM-zz4gx I have a tikka t3 and it works wonders. Very accurate and light for hiking while on the hunt. Although it deals a swift and vicious kick when shooting it
As far as I know as a filthy casual, I can agree with everything you said about the guns. However, I could happily shoot Core-Lokt ammo the rest of my life and not feel handicapped. When I was little you could buy it at any store that had so much as a little fishing tackle in a corner, even gas stations. Always had 30-30, .308. 30-06, .270, and .243, at least, and some .22 Thunderbolt.
I’ve had the same Remington 700 SPS for about 10 years. In the last five years I’ve gotten much more into firearms and specifically shooting longer ranges. Due to a recall several years ago I sent the rifle back for a trigger issue that was a result of too much material. I did not have any issues personally but I was definitely not going to chance it. As I delved further into the long range shooting, I got more into the ammo aspect and have also begun doing a little bit of reloading. As soon as I began shooting hand loads through the Remington I began having extraction issues. After consulting with several friends that are much further down the reloading road than I am, we discovered the culprit to be that of primary extraction, problems that Remington has suffered since Remington hasn’t really been Remington. The hand loads that were being put through the rifle were WELL below published max. I have also reached out to Remington about a warranty repair and received no response. It is sad to see the reputation falling away after so many years of being the industry standard. Great video!
A few years back my brother saved his pennies and bought himself a brand new BAR in .308. He didnt buy it at a big box store. Tim had constant feed/extraction issues regardless of the ammo he used., whether round nose or Spitzer. Not all the time, but just often enough to piss a guy off. Took it to an old retired gunsmith now passed away, After some inspection they realized that the axis of the bore was just slightly out center with the barrel itself by a couple of thousands of an inch or so. Called Browning,and got no response...... Finally the woman informs him that "they only warranty their guns to work, not work well. Not a defect in materials or workmanship! How much do you think it would have cost browning to send him another barrel? They dont care because they dont have to. I think CZ makes a very good gun for the money, Otherwise I would continue to scour the pawn shops and find the fine old guns traded in by all the grandsons that dont know or appreciate what a "really good gun" looks like. Earnest Hemingway wrote about that very topic. Look it up sometime. Might change your perspective. Gun collecting is a lifetime endeavor. Happy hunting Justin!
Absolutely love my TC compass, have it in .223. It's an absolute tack driver. Bought a Boyd's At One and it's the budget king after a mandatory trigger job that includes replacing the spring. A little work, and you're putting a lot of money (comparatively) into upgrades, but after mods it would whoop ass in the best under $500. It wouldn't even be close.
I was legit about to get a Remington 700 until I saw this. I’ve heard the stories about their quality and I’d shot a buddy of mines 700 which was chambered in .300 win mag and it was solid but I realized he got his 10-15+ years ago. I’m trying to get into hunting, and want a good rifle for both practice and that I can carry on trips. Thanks for the honesty, you just saved me $700+.
The new Remingtons are straight dog shit. I had a 700 tactical 243 and you wouldn’t be able to hit a broadside barn with it. Probably worse than any mossberg I’d recommend a bergara or a browning X bolt
I have a 700 with a walnut stock I bought about two years ago. It was new in the box but I'm not sure when it was made. It is a very well made rifle and accuracy with off the shelf ammo is amazing. I can't believe that everything Remington made over the last twenty years is poor quality.
I picked up a 700 bdl not long ago and I'm repunching holes at 100 yards in the first 10 shots, bought this to replace an older 700 bdl that performed the same, love these guns
I picked up a Remington 870 and had it out for some skeet shooting. Took it home, cleaned it and put it in the safe. 3 weeks later the barrel was rusting up. Sold it and got a Mossberg 500.
This guy’s take is 100% correct about Remington. I had a rem 700 that was awesome though it didn’t stay awesome. Had another that won’t shoot for crap even with hand loads. My buddy has a 700 that’s older, and it’s one of the best shooting guns I’ve ever seen.
My savage did the same thing after hunting in the rain. My browning a-bolt has been in rain several times and looks perfect. It’s also way older and still looks better.
I got 2 so far and im looking for more savage model 110 rifles very great gun no issues in rain or nothing the savage axis is a walmart brand cheap materials are gonna rust 🤣
@Brandon Kirkman I don’t know this for a fact or from experience but in my woodshop I use paste wax on all my iron tool surfaces (table saw, jointer, planer). Works great in the shop and I would try it personally with my guns but I’ve never waxed them and never had a rust problem
This and that I grabbed my 30-30 before Remington got their hands on production. Now if Ruger would just re-release the no. 1B in stainless 30-06 with the grey laminate stock!!
I unfortunately got a remlin 45-70, with the rear sight height adjustment maxed out it shoots 2 feet low at 40yards. My buddy get an sbl with the front sight mounted on the side of the barrel. Guess they decided a quality control dept was a waste of money.
@@sbranham86 I was disappointed, 40 yards is as far as I can shoot accurately with it, I tried out my friends henry and that rifle shoots properly, little bit more money but until ruger starts making marlins and mfg their parts a Henry big boy in 45-70 is gonna be my next purchase
The Mossberg barrel requires a couple of minutes to cool. Otherwise, sight it with a hot barrel and then you'll get your grouping. That's been my experience. In consecutive shots, my first will bullseye at 100 yards, and then 4 inches above on second, third, fourth etc, until I let the barrel cool again. Not ideal, but I now know how to aim a second shot, if required.
Unfortunately I would have to agree with your statement on the rust on the Savage Axis. I have a Savage 110 Tactical in 6.5 Creedmoor that shoots lights out, but after 1 night of coyote hunting where a slight fog developed towards the end of the night, by the next morning my Barrel was rusted out. After researching how to get rust off a barrel I was able to take it off, but I would agree that the Blueing that Savage is doing on their rifles is very sub-par.
I wipe my Axis with a Hoppes silicone rag to prevent rust. It has worked so far. I've thought about getting it cerakoted to make it where I don't need to wipe it down every time I pull it from the safe.
I have 2 Savage Axis', one in .243 and one in .270. Never had a single problem with either. Both are pretty good, very accurate, likes the cheap ammo. Neither one is rusting.
Yeah I'm pretty suspicious of what happened to that rifle. Looks like it sat outside for a couple of weeks. I wouldn't do that to a knife, and I certainly wouldn't do it to a gun. I'm old school though and I like carbon steel knives, and I think the ritual of maintenance is a blessing not a curse.
@@jagamoasta2310 if i am not going to use a fire arm for a good while, i put a disgusting amount of oil on them. its better to just clean it off later than have any chance of rust. just my opinion though
@@kyle18934 The opinion of a smart man... Even my CZ's will rust like a motherfuck*r if i don't oil them.... It doesn't even have to rain, you can see where he put his greasy fingers... Skin also contains salts (sweat...) This really damages the steel!
@@jagamoasta2310 I have my great grandpa's shotguns, some of them are from the 1950s. When I oil them (I try to re oil every 3 months) I put as much as I can without them dripping. So far they have been mostly without rust. Thwy were treated horribly when I got them though. They were put in a shed in an area that is humid.
An early production Ruger tang safety is probably the best value for the money in a used hunting rifle. Nice bluing, simple but nice walnut stock, stout action, adjustable trigger, and the early tangs shoot well in my experience.
After working a hunting store in the Canadian north, I can attest that it's disproportionate how many Savage Axis rifles would come in rusted compared to everything else
I have a Thompson Center Compass 30-06 and it's extremely accurate, at least for the distances I'm shooting here in the Ozarks. I have no gripes about it at all.
I have a T/C Compass in 6.5 Creedmoor and it's extremely accurate also. Less the .25in groups at 100 yards and a smooth action, easybto shoot. I love it and so did my Uncle who had all kinds of guns and loved Bolt guns. I'm also shooting in the Ozarks and I can't talk up the Compass enough. The trigger is great, no complaints from me about it, except for that every time I shot it last year it rained and the only rust on it is the sling mounts
@@timmartin4658 That's great to hear! I also took my Compass out in the rain (most days I was able to hunt this past season were rainy) and I've got no rust on it at all. Not sure but maybe the guys who did the review got one with bad bluing? Who knows....
I rarely see anyone say a bad thing about a TC Compass. I question their "cheap" gripe. I honestly can't really tell a cheap synthetic stock vs an expensive one, that goes from shotguns to bolt guns.
I have a t/c in 6.5 creed and im at 300yrds with a less than 1"group I've used mine in snow rain and everything in between and no rust and no issues whatsoever .
Savage 110 Apex Hunter in a .350 Legend caliber. Nothing but feed problems from day 1. I've tried 6 different magazines, adjusting the "ears", just a big pile, and customer service is abhorrent. I'd take a Mossberg Patriot any day over anything Savage.
I bought two and you’re right I guess it’s hit or miss. Both of mine were definite hits! I love both of them I switched the stock on one to a Boyd and it’s my favorite rifle now! The other Im keeping lightweight for hunts that require miles of hiking. Threw a camo wrap on it and she’s a beauty as well!
@@johnnyalvarez7788 by putting a Boyd’s stock on one you’ve now spent just as much as buying a better rifle to start with. I put a Boyd’s stock on my Axis, and it shoots better but it’s still a POS that doesn’t shoot all that great. It’s one of two firearms I regret buying, and having spent the money on it now it doesn’t even make economic sense to get rid of it because nobody wants to pay what it’s worth because it’s still a low end rifle. That said I got a Bergara B14 ridge rifle and so much more happy with it, and haven’t had to do a single thing to it.
I bought my son a youth model patriot in .243 and it was a very frustrating ordeal. Started out with 100 grain bullets for deer hunting and it wouldn’t hold a trash can solid size group at 100 yds. Backed down to 90 grains figuring it was an issue with the twist rate on the barrel and it’s better but I still can’t get better than a 5-6 inches. I haven’t been pleased at all.
I also appreciate your honesty. I agree with almost everything you said on those rifles. I a lot of companies are taking shortcuts and using cheap metals and cheap parts, while slapping together a gun that looks nice but isn’t all that great and doesn’t perform all that well. My advice has been to many many people over the years, especially the last 15 years, save a little longer and a little harder and get something a level or two higher than what you had originally planned. It will last you a lot longer and you will have a lot less issues. In the long run you will enjoy it more as well. As far as the Kimber rifle goes, I agree with everything you said except the fluted barrel. I don’t know what kind of darrell material they use and I’ve never handled that Specific rifle, but there are many rifles that have fluted barrels that you can easily runoff 5 to 8 shots in a pretty decent time. To cite your gun in order practice and then let the barrel cool for 10 minutes. That should not be an issue with most guns
Its absolutely pathetic that anything under 1000 bucks is absolute garbage anymore...unless its a Tikka lol, those are amazing still thank God. Its sad to say but stay away from modern American made guns, theyre absolute pump and dump consoomer garbage much like most of our culture and society anymore
@@whiteyfisk9769 I couldn’t agree with you more. You’re spot on with your comment! Even just looking at some of the rifles in the stores under $1000, absolute garbage with very little workmanship. Yes there are people that are looking for this price point and don’t care about how the rifle is built or how it functions, so they don’t care. However, in my opinion if you’re going to spend seven or $800 on an average to low grade rifle that will have problems or probably fall apart at some point in time, you might as well spend another three to $700 and get something a hell of a lot better that will last a lot longer. Thanks for the reply :-) I agree with everything you said
I agree 100% about the Savage Axis. Mine has never been in the rain only out hunting a few times mostly to the range after every trip has been cleaned and oiled up and some how has rust spots on the barrel, bolt, and bolt face. That said it does hold a special place to me as that the first rifle I got and love shooting it in .243 Win and is the same rifle that got me into reloading. If it wasnt for some of those reasons I would sell it for something else probably. Great video really enjoyed the honest reviews.
I've had a Remington 700 for years, first hunting rifle, I've got a folding bipod mounted on it and its been a pretty good rifle... the bluing could be better, but compared to a 770, the action is SO MUCH smoother, I've never personally had a jam, or even had the bolt walk while loading a second shot. It makes for a good first rifle, on a budget, and right out of the box from Walmart it was shooting 1 MOA groups easy, which impressed me because I didn't think they sighted them in much at the factory. But I do agree, they need to up the quality on the stocks and bluing of the barrels, and could definitely make better actions for them as well.
1) As for the 6.5 gas gun...you guys need to give reloading a try! Even through the shortage, I've been able to find components to load 6.5 Creed for around $0.70/rnd. 2) It almost made me weep seeing you destroy that T/C Compass lol. I don't remember what caliber yours was chambered in, but its too bad it didn't group well for you. Yes it's cheap and doesn't have the fit and finish of a $1K rifle, but most of them shoot excellently, my particular example shooting sub-MOA all day long. I only wish that I'd bought more of them in different calibers when they were cheap. I did end up replacing the stock with a Boyd's, but it was to get a shorter length of pull for my diminutive wife. The factory stock was fairly well-built and had very little flex. Add a $35 trigger kit and you have what I think is the best rifle under $500. Looking forward to those upcoming reviews!
So that was interesting about the Thompson Center Compass. I have a lefty TC Dimension chambered in .308. It cost in the neighborhood of $650 and I had thought to buy a couple of additional barrels in different calibers for it but never did. TC didn't produce them for very long, I think people were mostly put off by their looks. Its very ergonomically designed, and as accurate as one could want. I did take it to a gunsmith to thread the barrel for a muzzle brake, which helped a lot with accuracy and follow up shots. Its my favorite bolt action, but now I'm very stingy with the ammo so I'm not shooting it much.
I bought a Remington 700 American hunter 2019 in 6.5 CM it's a great rifle. It has a Bellen Carlson stock & shoots very good. It shoots different Bullet weight to the same point of aim. It was more money than some of the more plan 700 Your making great videos keep it up. Thanks Sam
I have a Remington 700 I bought 3 years ago from 1981. Best rifle in my safe. It’s a great gun. The best thing you can do about the shit quality these companies are putting out nowadays, is buy old. Anything pre 2000 will almost always be good to go assuming it’s been taken care of. Just carefully inspect them before you buy them.
All my good Remington's are from back in the day. They're my nicest rifles. But I have a newer model 770 and it's an absolute pile. The mags fall apart randomly and you have to put them back together all the time. The stock feels and looks like a kids toy with a plastic trigger guard. The bolt doesn't slide smooth at all no matter what you do to it. It'll probably sit in my safe un touched for the next 20 years.
I miss when hardware stores, places like Kmart, and local or chain gas stations sold firearms. I was a kid at the time but I remember when we had more than 1 gun shop/retailer/dealer/gunsmith with selling too and there were more than 1 business per 500 people and I didn't even count the folks selling out of their homes or places I may be forgetting such as post it boards and newspapers.
..Well, back in the day, the old man's Remington Speedmaster tube-fed takedown .22 would not fire more than 2 rounds without jamming. Bro sold it, even tho' it was a family heirloom. The landlord bought a Nylon 66, when they first came out. Jammed continually. He actually smashed it and tossed it into a bonfire..
I had the exact same experience with the Mossberg patriot. They test them at 25 yards. I sent mine in at my cost. Got no information back when it got back. They pulled the same thing "we did, A, B, C, and D. And here's the target" That's when I asked "how far do you test shoot?" They said "25 yards" Why would any company make a centerfire rifle and test it at 25 yards and say it's good?
Me to, Got the tip from a gunblue490 video. Only problem is that I dont know if the factory blueing is weak. On any of the rifles, they just wont rust. 😉👍
@@MrKimberr Meh, not really necessary. I have terrible eyesight, so my long distance game is pretty pointless. For shorter ranges I have an Enfield no4 and an SVT 40 I have grown rather fond of. They just go into the back of the safe until I need them.
There is nothing wrong with some of those guns. If it functions reliably and shoots well, it's good to go in my book. My TC Compass in 6.5 Creedmoor(had for under 300$ at the time) with a Nikon Prostaff 4-12 power scope( for 200$ at the time, and I think has the quality of a scope costing much more) will hold 1" groups at 100 yds with my handloads. I adjusted the trigger down to 2-3 lbs and gave the stock a nice camo paint job(I hate plain black stocks), it's sweet rig. Many of us do not have piles of money to throw around. For about 550$ invested, I love it. Some may say it does not have the "feel" of a 2,000$ gun. Maybe not, but it fits the bill for me.
I've owned 2 T/C compass rifles, both in 6.5CM and found them to be very accurate (< 1MOA). I currently own a first run Ruger American in 270 and cannot chamber but the first 2 rounds from the mag. 3rd round hangs up on top of #4. Accuracy is MOA but of the two guns, I prefer the Compass.
@@israelnava6882 Despite the over-MOA groups, my Patriot would have been sufficient as a lightweight 200-yard hunting rifle. As a tool to improve my skill at the range, it was subpar.
I had the same experience with Mossberg that you had. As a kid I spent my first paychecks I got in the military on a 935. The firing pin struck the primers off center and with that I’d get pretty frequent malfunctions. I sent that stupid gun back 3 times before I said the hell with mossbergs. Each time they would say the gun worked fine. I ran lots of different brands of shells through it but had they all had the same result. Mossberg has some serious quality control issues.
Can’t argue much with your assessments. Will say I bought a Savage Axis two years ago for my honey, and hunting body. She’s deadly with it- it’s a tack driver. I wanted a 6.5 Creedmore, so I told her to pick one out- thinking “ oh yeah, she’ll hunt with it, but I’ll have a creedmore to use when I want it!”. So, she picks out the Axis in MuddyGirl Camo finish. Thanx Babe. Pink rifles ain’t my style. Anyhow, it’s an awesome shooting gun. Happy with it. But I guess we’ve been lucky!👍😁🇺🇸❤️
I live near St. George, Utah, and Dixie Gun Worx is a great place for gun-smithing needs. I've gone there several times. Let me know if you want their information, but you can easily google them and find their location. I am not affiliated with them, I just like their service.
Savage Axis solution tested - I picked up a few savage axis rifles for the family during Covid as backups to our wood stock high end rifles. This year we were forced to hunt in rain, and with my solution I found doing research for work, we had no problems. I could tell we would have had problems compared to our other rifles had I not used this solution. I used CorrosionX gun oil! I am switching to this gun oil for all our guns and fishing reels! You should do a review of this product which is used by the Navy, NASA, and countless waterfowl hunters! Many in the energy industry are also using Corrosion X. This is an honest review!
If you want a smaller, handier version of the same rifle check out the Howa ranchland compact. It's a camp fave due to being reliable, accurate and comfortable for a wide range of shooters. The detachable mag kit shaves some weight and makes loading/unloading much easier.
I'm jonesing for a Wby Accumark with the coyote tan cerakote. The model I'm interested in is in loads of places on the 'net. images.coreware.com/images/products/516613-1049919.jpg
Guys, the Howa 1500's can't be beat for the price. The trigger is amazing. The stock is very solid with a great pad, and Cerakote is standard on some models for around $600. I know I'll have some detractors, but I now own three different models and looking at a fourth. God bless, Stay safe, Shoot straight. - Hedge
I really appreciate your reviews. So many RUclips reviewers are nothing but adverts. Also, I don’t feel that you have a bone to pick with anyone. You seem genuinely honest and fair with your assessments. Even when you give a bad review I feel that you don’t really want to, but do it out of honesty.
My TC Compass II has done me good since I bought it last year. Took a dear the first time I took it to the deer stand. I take it to the range about once a month and the thing shoots spot on each time.
This channel, and Hickok45, are my two favorites for honest opinions. And although I like Hickok more, I think this channel is the best for useful information and honesty.
I’m just happy with my Browning A Bolt medallion in .308 even tho ammo is expensive right now it is my main hunting Rifle and it shoots tight groups and it does it’s job
I'm moving to Browning when it's time to shift around the usage philosophies of my current guns. Almost went to the T-bolt .17HMR to replace my .243. I already have a 270 and the wife actually wants a paper target gun and not a hunting gun. So the 17 would be my varmint gun (up to coyotes) and the 270 is everything else.
@@davidturcotte5677 I love the 30-06 round I just only own an M1 Garand for shooting the round tho but since you also have the ABolt I just need to ask you a question and that being is your bolt rougher than most even after cleaning mine seems to always be just a little rough
Expensive guns tend to come with parkerization in the past or nowadays nitride, cerakote, etc that preclude the need to oil external surfaces. This can lead noobs down the path of OP.
@@catlady8324 I said external oiling you inept reader... Guns have innards, you know like internal parts. Since you can't read I'll spell it out again "preclude the need to oil external surfaces." This implies you still need to oil the internal surfaces, especially where metal meets metal.
@@catlady8324 You lightly oil the action and inside the bore, a wee bit in some trigger groups. With a good action and barrel treatment you don't need to oil those on their outside surfaces, only inside. If you want to oil the nicely finished surfaces on the outside and huff oil all day you go right ahead.
This is great info! Thanks for all the hard work and honesty that you put into your videos! Do you think you could do a review on safes at some point? I know that you primarily review guns, but being able to store them is also important and I would love to hear your honest opinion on safe options!
As someone who has owned hundreds of guns I've tried just about every gun lube and anti-rust product available. The best product I've found to prevent rust on guns and other metallic items is actually Johnsons paste wax. Another benefit is that it's not greasy/oily feeling and doesn't Cook off nearly as much as most liquid products.
20 bucks says you don’t own hundreds (meaning more than 200) assuming each gun is 300 (that’s beyond generous as I own guns in the 1000+ range) you would have spent at least $60,000 on guns either you’re very rich or you’re lying
@@leagueoflegendsplays9420 I have OWNED OVER 200. Just because you have a hard time understanding that some people aren't poor like you doesn't change that. You probably can't even afford to pay your bet.
@@ice-xv1hi my Barrett M82A1 laughs with Swarovski optic. Or maybe we should laugh in auto trickler v3 for reloading. Maybe my Dillon 1050 with mark 7 auto drive for loading 9mm and 5.56 and the occasional 10mm will laugh too?
@@leagueoflegendsplays9420 sounds like you're trying to impress everyone to make up for your other "shortcomings". If you really have such expensive toys why question that others have them too? It just makes you look like a jealous wannabe and a hater. Take my advice or not I don't give a chit but don't come crying when you end up with a bunch of rusted crap.
I've always found that you have to be extra cautious when taking opinions on rifles from online sources. There's an aweful lot of people out there that think that a 1 MOA rifle is benchrest quality. There's also a good number of people that cherry pick their 2-3 MOA groups for that 1 in a 1000 .5MOA group. Magically, that's all their rifle ever shoots. I don't remember who said it first, but the greatest accuracy enhancement device in the last century is the keyboard.
You make good points, although it may be a stretch to say people are claiming 1 MOA is "benchrest", unless they just don't know the meaning of the word. I do see folks often saying "it's plenty accurate" about an MOA rifle out of the box. I'd agree with that because those people and myself will never need benchrest grade. We need to put a bullet in the boiler of a deer from max. 250yds. If the meat's in the freezer, it's PLENTY accurate.
@@robwoodring9437 You would be absolutely shocked at the sheer amount of bs flying around the internet when it comes to what is an accurate rifle. Thousands upon thousands of these genius' legitimately believe their bone stock savage 110 will go toe to toe with an "insert high end rifle here" because Joe blow on whatever website said it's the most accurate factory rifle. Good enough for deer out to 400, absolutely. Good enough to compete with rifles built for precision and still stand a chance....very unlikely. Same thing goes for remington, winchester....etc. You may get that one in a thousand .3 moa five shot group, but can it be done consistently from bags? That's what I'm reffering to. People have been hunting deer and boar with 3+ moa weapons for centuries, long before 1 moa became standard. I'm talking precision here.
I appreciate the brutal honesty. A couple rifles that could be on that table from my experience: The Remington 710 the bolt action was so bad to cycle it was basically a single shot rifle. The TC Venture won't fire in cold temperatures, found out the hard way when not 1, but 2 trophy bucks walked by without a shot.
Two things for the Savage Axis, Remoil and/or CLP. I own my 2nd one now. I keep it clean and oiled, no problems. Both in 6.5 CM and will shoot 1 hole groups @100 yds if I do my job.
The only gun I ever sold in my life was a Henry 17HMR. It was called the varmit express or something like that. For some reason I just couldn’t bond with it. As a result I didn’t shoot it very well either. Even had a new barrel put on it by Henry and I still couldn’t shoot well with it. Sold it to a friend and bought a Henry 22LR and shot perfectly. Still my favorite plinker.
Great video. I have always been a firm believer of the old axiom “You get what you pay for.” I am by no means a wealthy man, but I pinched my pennies and purchased a model 70 extreme weather, and an older used, but pristine Sako AV. I wanted guns that I know will last and can be passed down. I have also purchased a Bergara B14 Ridge Rifle and will say that that rifle is what Remington should be building. I wanted a Remington model 700 really bad, but after handling a couple, I just couldn’t do it and bought the Bergara.
I was given a 700 in '06 40+ years ago by a brother in law. It had less than 20 rounds put thru it. I paid to put a better barrel on it and a Timney trigger. I broke the stock falling on a steep scree sloop in the N.Cascade Mountains on a mule deer hunt so a Carlson stock was the replacement. I took a lot of game with it and my best shot was 740 yrds on a mule deer with a 3x9 Shepherd scope on it. No rest but timed fire from the shoulder. Training to shoot and burning powder with a spotter is what makes the difference. I won't use factory ammo as it's anemic and seriously under loaded. The ammo producers can't be faulted because they don't want to be sued by the ambulance chasers. Lets face it, lawyers have messed up everything because they want to milk the system for money. The trigger problem with the m700 was mainly a user problem. In the manual it tells the buyer to not adjust the trigger below 7#s as it will fire if the safety is taken off if the trigger is pulled while on safety.After 30 years of firing thousands of rounds and 2 barrel change out and detecting a slight creep in the release I replaced it with the Timney. That old gun is still putting rounds on the bullseye at 500 yards with no problem but its no beauty and won't make much money for my family when I go.lol They best guns are designed to fire multiple shots from the shoulder and that means levers,bolts and anything else. The m94 winchesters out of the box fails but the Savage m99 would and still is putting meat on America's dinner plate. I tried a Howa bolt action and it was horrible.Jamming and hanging up from the shoulder.With the Remington 700 I can put 6 rounds down range in less than 10 seconds . I killed 5 coyotes in a pack from 200 to 300 yrds once. No fur to sell as the 06 will blow them up. There are bad guns but if that is all you have then learn to use it til you can get something better. The 3030 is considered weak but I knew farmers up in Ontario,Canada who killed moose every year for 40 years with them.They took them apart and used honing compound to smooth the actions so they would reliably work from the shoulder. One old timer would buy a box of 20 every 20 years and only used 1 round to harvest his moose. He was Scottish. lol He had his fathers .44 1873 Winchester but didn't use it to hunt moose as the bullets weren't easy to buy. I'm sure he would have if the ammo was available.
Purchased Bergara B14 hmr. Loved all I researched about it and I was limited to being lefty. Cleaned, mounted, leveled and bore sighted viper PS2 . Haven’t shot but will begin breaking in this week. Only thing is weight 9.5 but lesser at 7.5?
A word on the Savage - I have tons. I'm a huge fan. When I was coming into the long range world, they were known as an easy to work on and cheap alternative to Rem 700. You could rebarrel, bed, and replace stock and have a tack driver. They were 1moa rifles that could be affordable when 1moa was still something to brag about. I still have plenty of them. I love the Savage actions. That said - there are so many offerings these days that compete with them that it is crazy. 10-15 years ago, a rifle you could take out to 1k was gonna run you 2k without glass. Now you can get to 1k cor $1500 glass included and practice. Hell, even Ruger is making some absolutely awesome and affordable bolt guns now.
Savage's button rifled barrels have been some of the most accurate out of the box rifles ever made. The 110 is way underappreciated. Its unfortunate that savage isn't more recognized, kind of like the CZ 527/550. I'm sure the finish on the axis series is sub par, but what can you expect for $350?
@LSDforEveryone They have a special place in my heart from when I first crossed the line from hunter to firearm enthusiast. I'll continue to buy them, too; they're awesome.
I have bought numerous Remingtons (rifles and shotguns) over the last 34 years. I can't say there is a single one I have purchased in the last 15 years that is a "keeper."
I have an Axis Hardwood in 243 and a standard Axis in 308. Neither has rust problems, a smile MCarbo spring change dropped the trigger pull down to between 2.5 and 3 lbs. Both deadly accurate. My Mossberg Trophy Hunter 270 Win is also pretty darn accurate, great trigger pull.
Jason I have a .308 Axis, 223 Axis, 223 Youth Axis ( for my grandson), three Stevens 200’s (the Axis replaced the Stevens 200 I was told) in 7mm08, a Stevens 200 .270. I replaced most of the stocks with Boyd stocks and added tactical bolt handles. They all are tack drivers like you said. And, NEVER had a rust problem. I HIGHLY recommend the Savage Axis. Also have a Thompson Compass in a 6.5 Creedmoor. Another tack driver. For the money a really good gun IMO.
I can’t agree with what he said about Remington. I had a 700 mountain SS. It was a piece of crap. Shot ok. Super light and great looking rifle. I could not, for the LIFE OF ME, keep rust off of the “lightweight mountain hunting rifle”. None of my other firearms are rusted at all. A buddy of mine has a 700 that has been passed down to him. 30-40 year old rifle and that thing is phenomenal.
Agree. I bought a Mountain SS in 2018 and it had the worst trigger I've ever used. I had a gunsmith install a Timney trigger and problem was solved. When you pay $1800 for a gun, you assume it has a decent trigger.
I have three Remington 700's and they are all excellent rifles. Accurate, reliable, rugged and dependable, I plan on keeping them until I cannot shoot at which time they will get passed down to grandkids. Oh, they are all over thirty-five years old.
Lol yeah that is the point. Prior to 20 years ago they made great weapons. So your rifles that are 35 years old would be when Remington made good weapons.
Not a bad video but I’ll share my thoughts and experiences. 1) Remington Core Lokt ammo is exceptional for any non-magnum caliber. When the 6.5 CM came out I bought one just like everyone else. And just like everyone else I also bought high dollar polymer tipped ammo. 3 deer later with multiple holes and little to no blood, I second guessed the caliber. Come to find out, all it need was a nice soft point lead bullet. Rem Core Lokt started showing up in that caliber, problem solved. 2) Remington 783- I have this rifle in a 7mm Rem Mag and it is an absolute tac driver. My longest whitetail kill to date was with this gun shooting Win Deer Season XP ammo, 426 yrds on bipod legs. It does feel like a cheap gun, but it is a cheap gun. But mine shoots great and the recoil is noticeable below what I’d come to associate with a 7mm Rem mag. 3) Mossberg Patriot- I have this gun in .308 and again, the rifle shoots very well. It’s a cheap gun and certainly doesn’t feel like my Hells Canyon, but it does shoot/group reasonably well for the cost.
Needs the action squared/trued and a good barrel and it’ll shoot like any SUB MOA guaranteed off the shelf rifle. Given at that point it’ll also cost as much as one.
The rear action screw on this gun is not your normal type of action screw so my guess is that it’s either that or it could be bases,rings or scope. Will be interesting to see what it is. Also all the mossbergs that I have seen and heard that don’t shoot have the wood stock
I just used TC Compass II in 6.5 creemoore to drop an Antelope at 400 yards. Not trying to be argumentative but in 6.5 I have been very happy. Thanks again.
He's right about the build gun. I put a floated barrel walnut stock, a timney trigger and a cerakote job on my 700 adl. It's now smooth with a great trigger and a tack driver because of the better stock. But tbh I felt a little robbed off the shelf
The dig on remington is warranted.....but the 783 and the 770 before that were CHEAP....and you knew going in it was cheap. I bought a 770 in 7mm08 and its a tack driver....but I put it in a boyds stock and upgraded the scope....although before that I took several whitetail with it. 100% correct on the savage bluing....I have several savage rimfires and Im meticulous with my guns....i take them out of the safe and oil and wipe them down monthly. And the savages have small rust spots....and were NEVER in the rain. The bluing even seems to want to come off with just a cotton cloth with rem oil on it.
1. Just get the barrel cerakoted. The action in the Axis is better than a 700. 2. The Patriot in 450 apparently shoots really well. But there are always the bad apples. 3. They could have done a lot better. 4. Your reasoning is pretty stupid. Semi is the way to go. 5. You can change the buttpad. For the money they could do a lot better on the stock. You are supposed to do cold bore 0 with a gun like that. 6. The 700 is not a good rifle. It was when it came out as it was cheap. But the bolts are always loose and other issues.
I find the "who wants a semi-auto in 6.5 creed" comment really ironic, as my thinking is the exact opposite. Why bother with anything in a bolt gun that I can get in a semi-auto?
Aero precision M5 6.5 creedmoor 24” ballistic advantage fluted barrel at 100 meters MOA or better most of the time 1/2 moa all depends on the person behind the rifle. The down side of it, it’s heavier than a bolt rifle.
@@tubeonline629 moa is moa at 100 yards or at 1000 meaning at 100 spread of 1 inch and at 1000 spread of 10 inches. Unfortunately my range only has 500 meters and my aero gets there boringly accurate with fix 10 power SFWA SS. And yes bolt action rifle are good too lol 😂
@@sealsrx7252 Yes moa is moa, but just because you have a rifle that shoots 100 yd moa doesn't mean it will do moa at 1000 yds. There are way to many variables such as bullet stability and wind. Unless of course your firing laser guided bullets lol.
0:50 Savage Axis rust on barrels 2:20 Mossberg Patriot does not group precisely 3:30 Thompson Center Compass cheesy stock, heavy trigger 4:20 TWS out of Boised...AR rifle in 6.5 Creedmore, expensive...>$35 per magazine shot 5:20 Kimber Mountain Subalpine in .280 Ackley Improved, poor recoil pad, trigger length, unstable round forend, poor trigger, barrel overheats 7:10 Remington poor quality past 20 years 10:00 Good quality rifles
For deer 30/30 and a 243 are the best in my opinion, we never even have to chase them, they usually always just drop in their tracks and they're great bush guns. You don't need no big caliber for deer. You'll just blow giant holes in them and lose meat.
I love my Kimbers but I’m with you on that rifle. I had an 84 Montana chambered in .300wsm and nothing was comfortable about that rifle. What’s the point in owning one if you don’t enjoy shooting it one bit? I sold mine real fast.
Love my T/C Compass (.243 win) & my T/C Venture (25-06). Affordable, accurate & comfortable to shoot. I did upgrade both triggers w/ Mcarbo’s. Very disappointed that the Mossberg was a flop. Thanks for all the work you do. Keep em coming.
Bro you have no idea how much I appreciate your channel and reviews! As someone who has ALWAYS defended the 2A, understanding that beyond anything else it's to act as a final check against tyranny, but who's never made it a priority to own firearms until now, your reviews are so helpful! I appreciate it man keep up the awesome work 😁
Thanks, this is great! I've been fortunate with my TC Compass- groups great, handles well, cycles reliably- but the with the low cost ($220) it was an acceptable gamble. Growing up with Remington, Winchester, and Browning, I had never given much thought to Tikka but I'm checking it out now. I will say that when I bought my Compass, I also handled multiple other rifles in the under $500 category, and completing a blind test for feel and function made all the difference. No matter what I'd read or heard, the handling of so many lauded rifles (like your issue with the kimber trigger) with my eyes closed immediately disqualified more than half of them. They just didn't feel right to me, and if a rifle can't first pass that test, nothing else is going to matter.
Can't agree entirely on the Kimber Mtn. Ascent faults. I have one in 308 and love it. Been to Africa with it twice, antelope in Wyoming, hogs in Texas, and have taken a fair amount of game with it. Stock design is just not a problem. Recoil pad could be better, agreed. But with the muzzle brake, it's just not an issue. I also have two model 700s - a 22-250 tack driver from the late 60s and a 308 in the 5R model from 10 years ago. Quality was still OK for the 5R, but the action was showing a decline in finish and smoothness. Great review - thank you!
Spot on! - I gave up on a 308 Patriot that grouped like a 12 gauge - & exchanged it for a Howa 1500 for the woods. Bergara & Tikka for off-the-shelf build - my T3x in 6.5cm shoots sub-moa with almost anything but a box of ELDx is NZ$84-94 & rising….
Remington CEO, in 1960's, 70's, 80's Remington made great rifles. I have owned them. By the year 2000 corporate greedy staff were idiots and it shows on the path they led you down. If you tried to give me a modern Remington, I would refuse it. Fire your executive corporate staff who have destroyed your Remington company and your reputation. They don't need golden parachutes for being idiots. Go back to the Remington 700 with a safe 3lb trigger. Go back to standards in stainless, BDL, CDL. If you don't do this, you will cease to exist in 10 years. Then advertise you made these changes. Until YOU do CEO, Remington is dead to me.
1. Savage Axis 00:51
2. Mossberg Patriot 2:20
3. TC Compass 3:35
4. PWS AR-10 6.5 Creedmore 4:19
5. Kimber Mountain Ascent SubAlpine 5:26
6. Remington 700 8:10
7. Remington 783 9:13
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You are good man.
Thanks
Thank you.
You are a king
Who wants a 783 anyway?
Still a great pump gun even though it is mostly plastic, ruclips.net/user/postUgkxh4su9YgU1tWmjikirWcKJbjsFLEU62Bc but with care it will last a long time. It would be neat if Crosman would make a commemorative version of this with real wood stock, but of course it would weigh more and cost more, but hey, it would be cool. The included scope is more of a toy, but it does work for backyard plinking. I prefer to use pellets for greater accuracy, but BBs are just as good for plinking. This is not a Red Ryder folks; fully pumped it is 3 times the power of a Red Ryder and can be dangerous if not handled properly. Be safe out there.
We appreciate the honesty. Too many reviews/videos are variations of sales commercials.
yes Guns and Ammo is really Guns and Advertisers
@@user-tw8ov Nope
Well said.
All RUclipsrs are shills.
Yup. There’s a reason why Gun Tests depends on subscriptions.
For what it's worth, I got a Winchester XPR chambered in .308 back in 2017 ($380) and it's been nothing but great. Amazing trigger, very accurate and never a misfire or ejection problem. Its weight is balanced, and wow the trigger is one of the best I've ever used regardless of rifle price.
Same here. I got the 350 legend in the walnut and like it a lot. Great trigger.
270. And I love it. Trigger is amazing!
The XPR is shockingly similar to the Browning A bolt. The only difference I saw was the bases for ring due to a slight difference in receiver cuts. They XPR rifles are amazingly high quality for the price.
Love my xpr hunter vias cerakote 300 wm. Never had 1 problem with it yet.
30-06 model here, excellent
On your mossberg, pull the action out of the stock. Take a 5/8 spark plug socket, wrap some sand paper around it and gently sand the inside of the stock to knock down any high spots on in the stock. I saw this on Tommy Rivers channel. The barrel is heating up and no longer free floating. I did this and it works.
Tell Mossberg. If I have to do anything it shouldn't be on the shelf.
@@nickf8028 Don't buy a rifle for under $400 then
@@nokachi3339nah fam thats the point. Yall got too comfortable on paying more for less and lax on politicians and what they are doing when you arent paying attention. Now heres what were left with. People believing that they have a rifle for 4 500 dollars but what they have is a 250 dollar rifle for 4 or 500. In reality.... > they have a 100 dollar gun for 4 or 500. Guns we pay 1500 2500 dollars . Case by case basis of course and inflation. We get fed dog shit, and we willfully eat it. Its all we have. Yfm ?
@@nokachi3339some people can’t afford a nice setup like sum gotta work with what you got
@@nokachi3339not an option for everyone
I like this video; informative, straight to the point, no meaningless blather or musical interludes. Well done.
I bought a brand new 308 700. It wasn't in my possession for not even 24 hours and started rusting worse than the savage you had. I got it traded for a model 70. I grew up on remington, I hope that they can be saved
Man I keep hearing these stories. I got an 870 last year and haven't really had any problems with it at all
The 700 I bought seven years ago was the same deal, hadn't even gotten it out if the box after taking it home and evywhere I had touched it in the store was a rusty little fingerprint. Between that and its tendency to tumble bullets, I didn't keep it very long: replaced it with a Tikka T3 Lite.
Yeah Remingtons finish is crap in many cases now. I have an 870 that I bought around 2007 and even though it's been reliable it will rust like crazy in no time. The old Wingmasters were great but like most other Remington firearms they've fallen behind in quality. It's a shame because they used to produce great guns at good prices but they've just given up and been left in the dust by so many other companies. I grew up around Remington and Marlin firearms and Remington even managed to ruin Marlin after they bought them. I have high hopes that Ruger will save the Marlin name now that they're making them
I can’t say anything on the 700 rem, but I own two model sevens and their both shooters. For what it’s worth, one is 308 , the other is 260 rem. RC
@@SM-zz4gx I have a tikka t3 and it works wonders. Very accurate and light for hiking while on the hunt. Although it deals a swift and vicious kick when shooting it
As far as I know as a filthy casual, I can agree with everything you said about the guns. However, I could happily shoot Core-Lokt ammo the rest of my life and not feel handicapped. When I was little you could buy it at any store that had so much as a little fishing tackle in a corner, even gas stations. Always had 30-30, .308. 30-06, .270, and .243, at least, and some .22 Thunderbolt.
It’s good in the deer woods. There’s better options for open country game.
I had great luck with the core lokt out of my weatherby 30/06. Hard to find them now. Shooting nosler which are excellent as well.
I’ve had the same Remington 700 SPS for about 10 years. In the last five years I’ve gotten much more into firearms and specifically shooting longer ranges. Due to a recall several years ago I sent the rifle back for a trigger issue that was a result of too much material. I did not have any issues personally but I was definitely not going to chance it. As I delved further into the long range shooting, I got more into the ammo aspect and have also begun doing a little bit of reloading. As soon as I began shooting hand loads through the Remington I began having extraction issues. After consulting with several friends that are much further down the reloading road than I am, we discovered the culprit to be that of primary extraction, problems that Remington has suffered since Remington hasn’t really been Remington. The hand loads that were being put through the rifle were WELL below published max. I have also reached out to Remington about a warranty repair and received no response. It is sad to see the reputation falling away after so many years of being the industry standard. Great video!
A few years back my brother saved his pennies and bought himself a brand new BAR in .308. He didnt buy it at a big box store.
Tim had constant feed/extraction issues regardless of the ammo he used., whether round nose or Spitzer. Not all the time, but just often enough to piss a guy off. Took it to an old retired gunsmith now passed away, After some inspection they realized that the axis of the bore was just slightly out center with the barrel itself by a couple of thousands of an inch or so.
Called Browning,and got no response...... Finally the woman informs him that "they only warranty their guns to work, not work well. Not a defect in materials or workmanship!
How much do you think it would have cost browning to send him another barrel? They dont care because they dont have to. I think CZ makes a very good gun for the money, Otherwise I would continue to scour the pawn shops and find the fine old guns traded in by all the grandsons that dont know or appreciate what a "really good gun" looks like. Earnest Hemingway wrote about that very topic. Look it up sometime. Might change your perspective. Gun collecting is a lifetime endeavor. Happy hunting Justin!
I just bought a timny trigger
Absolutely love my TC compass, have it in .223. It's an absolute tack driver. Bought a Boyd's At One and it's the budget king after a mandatory trigger job that includes replacing the spring. A little work, and you're putting a lot of money (comparatively) into upgrades, but after mods it would whoop ass in the best under $500. It wouldn't even be close.
I have a Savage 110 from 1982, it spent 20 years in a safe before I inherited it and has less rust.
I was legit about to get a Remington 700 until I saw this. I’ve heard the stories about their quality and I’d shot a buddy of mines 700 which was chambered in .300 win mag and it was solid but I realized he got his 10-15+ years ago. I’m trying to get into hunting, and want a good rifle for both practice and that I can carry on trips. Thanks for the honesty, you just saved me $700+.
Get a Weatherby Vanguard, Tikka, or Bergara
Remington is garbage post 2010. Save your money
The new Remingtons are straight dog shit. I had a 700 tactical 243 and you wouldn’t be able to hit a broadside barn with it. Probably worse than any mossberg I’d recommend a bergara or a browning X bolt
I have a 700 with a walnut stock I bought about two years ago. It was new in the box but I'm not sure when it was made. It is a very well made rifle and accuracy with off the shelf ammo is amazing. I can't believe that everything Remington made over the last twenty years is poor quality.
I picked up a 700 bdl not long ago and I'm repunching holes at 100 yards in the first 10 shots, bought this to replace an older 700 bdl that performed the same, love these guns
I picked up a Remington 870 and had it out for some skeet shooting. Took it home, cleaned it and put it in the safe. 3 weeks later the barrel was rusting up. Sold it and got a Mossberg 500.
Remington had periods where their rifles were excellent and others where they are trash. They really have to be approached on a case by case basis.
I have not to this day ever shot a bad Remington 700 and I have them from the 80s til now all tack drivers !
This guy’s take is 100% correct about Remington.
I had a rem 700 that was awesome though it didn’t stay awesome. Had another that won’t shoot for crap even with hand loads. My buddy has a 700 that’s older, and it’s one of the best shooting guns I’ve ever seen.
I bought a stainless Sako 75 in 30-06 years ago and never looked back!
I had a Mossberg ATR Night train, the predecessor to the MVP line. It’s the only gun I’ve ever sold. No regrets about getting rid of it.
Same, missed two deer on two consecutive days in pretty much the same spot.
My savage did the same thing after hunting in the rain. My browning a-bolt has been in rain several times and looks perfect. It’s also way older and still looks better.
Man I had a savage too and i kept it clean it never had rust but I had other issues with it now I got a browning xbolt and it’s a great gun
I got 2 so far and im looking for more savage model 110 rifles very great gun no issues in rain or nothing the savage axis is a walmart brand cheap materials are gonna rust 🤣
I won’t buy a savage ever again, mine did the same thing with maintenance and every bolt from the barrel to the stock was completely loose.
I’ve never had any problems with any of my savages and I’ve got .308 , (2) 22-250, (2).204
Great shooting rifles.
@@johnbrand8366Yes,you have reason!
I wax my barrels if I’m going out every time. Sounds weird but I’ve been doing it 30 years and no rust yet.
@Brandon Kirkman I don’t know this for a fact or from experience but in my woodshop I use paste wax on all my iron tool surfaces (table saw, jointer, planer). Works great in the shop and I would try it personally with my guns but I’ve never waxed them and never had a rust problem
Get ya some gun Rigg grease that's all I've ever used and I have no guns with rust on them
I have an axis sun 270 I had it in the rain and snow give it a wipe down after you get home and it’s fine you’ll never have to worry ab 110 tho
On Remington, I’m just glad marlin is in better hands now.
This and that I grabbed my 30-30 before Remington got their hands on production. Now if Ruger would just re-release the no. 1B in stainless 30-06 with the grey laminate stock!!
I unfortunately got a remlin 45-70, with the rear sight height adjustment maxed out it shoots 2 feet low at 40yards. My buddy get an sbl with the front sight mounted on the side of the barrel. Guess they decided a quality control dept was a waste of money.
@@joelmorgan1871 my 1895 remlin was the exact same at 50 yards though
@@sbranham86 I was disappointed, 40 yards is as far as I can shoot accurately with it, I tried out my friends henry and that rifle shoots properly, little bit more money but until ruger starts making marlins and mfg their parts a Henry big boy in 45-70 is gonna be my next purchase
@@joelmorgan1871, fine choice in the Henry. The after-market for Marlin's is insane now and that's coming from someone who enjoys old Fenders.
The Mossberg barrel requires a couple of minutes to cool. Otherwise, sight it with a hot barrel and then you'll get your grouping. That's been my experience. In consecutive shots, my first will bullseye at 100 yards, and then 4 inches above on second, third, fourth etc, until I let the barrel cool again. Not ideal, but I now know how to aim a second shot, if required.
Unfortunately I would have to agree with your statement on the rust on the Savage Axis. I have a Savage 110 Tactical in 6.5 Creedmoor that shoots lights out, but after 1 night of coyote hunting where a slight fog developed towards the end of the night, by the next morning my Barrel was rusted out. After researching how to get rust off a barrel I was able to take it off, but I would agree that the Blueing that Savage is doing on their rifles is very sub-par.
Thats why mine isn`t worthy of external cleaning. Just the barrel, and bolt.
Rattle can paint just should work👍
Wonder if it’s a recent issue? My axis has seen some crap and no rust anywhere.
@@crispusattucks6094 no rust on axis either but its only been with me in the woods a few times in the rain. Fingers crossed it stays rust free
I wipe my Axis with a Hoppes silicone rag to prevent rust. It has worked so far. I've thought about getting it cerakoted to make it where I don't need to wipe it down every time I pull it from the safe.
I have 2 Savage Axis', one in .243 and one in .270. Never had a single problem with either. Both are pretty good, very accurate, likes the cheap ammo. Neither one is rusting.
Yeah I'm pretty suspicious of what happened to that rifle. Looks like it sat outside for a couple of weeks. I wouldn't do that to a knife, and I certainly wouldn't do it to a gun. I'm old school though and I like carbon steel knives, and I think the ritual of maintenance is a blessing not a curse.
@@christopherrowley7506 oil goes a long way
My old marlin .30-.30 has almost no blueing left and it hasn’t rusted yet
Just better quality steel in the old "JM" marked Marlins
Because this dude doesn't oil... Steel won't rust if you oil it propperly...
@@jagamoasta2310 if i am not going to use a fire arm for a good while, i put a disgusting amount of oil on them. its better to just clean it off later than have any chance of rust. just my opinion though
@@kyle18934 The opinion of a smart man... Even my CZ's will rust like a motherfuck*r if i don't oil them.... It doesn't even have to rain, you can see where he put his greasy fingers... Skin also contains salts (sweat...) This really damages the steel!
@@jagamoasta2310 I have my great grandpa's shotguns, some of them are from the 1950s. When I oil them (I try to re oil every 3 months) I put as much as I can without them dripping. So far they have been mostly without rust.
Thwy were treated horribly when I got them though. They were put in a shed in an area that is humid.
Bought a Compass 3 yrs ago ,gave it a trigger job ,changed the stock to a Boyd,s thumbhole and it shoots just great.Enjoy your videos
An early production Ruger tang safety is probably the best value for the money in a used hunting rifle. Nice bluing, simple but nice walnut stock, stout action, adjustable trigger, and the early tangs shoot well in my experience.
I really like my MK2 as well. Bolt closed lock is comforting in dense brush.
After working a hunting store in the Canadian north, I can attest that it's disproportionate how many Savage Axis rifles would come in rusted compared to everything else
I just bought a Savage model 10 FCP LE. I hope it has a better rust protection. Can you confirm?
I have a Thompson Center Compass 30-06 and it's extremely accurate, at least for the distances I'm shooting here in the Ozarks. I have no gripes about it at all.
I have a T/C Compass in 6.5 Creedmoor and it's extremely accurate also. Less the .25in groups at 100 yards and a smooth action, easybto shoot. I love it and so did my Uncle who had all kinds of guns and loved Bolt guns. I'm also shooting in the Ozarks and I can't talk up the Compass enough. The trigger is great, no complaints from me about it, except for that every time I shot it last year it rained and the only rust on it is the sling mounts
@@timmartin4658 That's great to hear! I also took my Compass out in the rain (most days I was able to hunt this past season were rainy) and I've got no rust on it at all. Not sure but maybe the guys who did the review got one with bad bluing? Who knows....
I’m with you guys on theT/C Compass. Tim like you I have one in a 6.5 Creedmoor. Very accurate and never had a rust issue.
I rarely see anyone say a bad thing about a TC Compass.
I question their "cheap" gripe. I honestly can't really tell a cheap synthetic stock vs an expensive one, that goes from shotguns to bolt guns.
I have a t/c in 6.5 creed and im at 300yrds with a less than 1"group I've used mine in snow rain and everything in between and no rust and no issues whatsoever .
Savage 110 Apex Hunter in a .350 Legend caliber. Nothing but feed problems from day 1. I've tried 6 different magazines, adjusting the "ears", just a big pile, and customer service is abhorrent.
I'd take a Mossberg Patriot any day over anything Savage.
I wanted the Mossberg to do well, they seem to be very hit or miss.
I bought two and you’re right I guess it’s hit or miss. Both of mine were definite hits! I love both of them I switched the stock on one to a Boyd and it’s my favorite rifle now! The other Im keeping lightweight for hunts that require miles of hiking. Threw a camo wrap on it and she’s a beauty as well!
@@johnnyalvarez7788 my brother loves his shoots sub Moa
@@johnnyalvarez7788 by putting a Boyd’s stock on one you’ve now spent just as much as buying a better rifle to start with. I put a Boyd’s stock on my Axis, and it shoots better but it’s still a POS that doesn’t shoot all that great. It’s one of two firearms I regret buying, and having spent the money on it now it doesn’t even make economic sense to get rid of it because nobody wants to pay what it’s worth because it’s still a low end rifle. That said I got a Bergara B14 ridge rifle and so much more happy with it, and haven’t had to do a single thing to it.
I bought my son a youth model patriot in .243 and it was a very frustrating ordeal. Started out with 100 grain bullets for deer hunting and it wouldn’t hold a trash can solid size group at 100 yds. Backed down to 90 grains figuring it was an issue with the twist rate on the barrel and it’s better but I still can’t get better than a 5-6 inches. I haven’t been pleased at all.
Mine was a miss. It couldn't do better than 1.25 MOA.
I also appreciate your honesty. I agree with almost everything you said on those rifles. I a lot of companies are taking shortcuts and using cheap metals and cheap parts, while slapping together a gun that looks nice but isn’t all that great and doesn’t perform all that well. My advice has been to many many people over the years, especially the last 15 years, save a little longer and a little harder and get something a level or two higher than what you had originally planned. It will last you a lot longer and you will have a lot less issues. In the long run you will enjoy it more as well. As far as the Kimber rifle goes, I agree with everything you said except the fluted barrel. I don’t know what kind of darrell material they use and I’ve never handled that Specific rifle, but there are many rifles that have fluted barrels that you can easily runoff 5 to 8 shots in a pretty decent time. To cite your gun in order practice and then let the barrel cool for 10 minutes. That should not be an issue with most guns
Its absolutely pathetic that anything under 1000 bucks is absolute garbage anymore...unless its a Tikka lol, those are amazing still thank God. Its sad to say but stay away from modern American made guns, theyre absolute pump and dump consoomer garbage much like most of our culture and society anymore
@@whiteyfisk9769 I couldn’t agree with you more. You’re spot on with your comment! Even just looking at some of the rifles in the stores under $1000, absolute garbage with very little workmanship. Yes there are people that are looking for this price point and don’t care about how the rifle is built or how it functions, so they don’t care. However, in my opinion if you’re going to spend seven or $800 on an average to low grade rifle that will have problems or probably fall apart at some point in time, you might as well spend another three to $700 and get something a hell of a lot better that will last a lot longer. Thanks for the reply :-) I agree with everything you said
I agree 100% about the Savage Axis. Mine has never been in the rain only out hunting a few times mostly to the range after every trip has been cleaned and oiled up and some how has rust spots on the barrel, bolt, and bolt face. That said it does hold a special place to me as that the first rifle I got and love shooting it in .243 Win and is the same rifle that got me into reloading. If it wasnt for some of those reasons I would sell it for something else probably. Great video really enjoyed the honest reviews.
I've had a Remington 700 for years, first hunting rifle, I've got a folding bipod mounted on it and its been a pretty good rifle... the bluing could be better, but compared to a 770, the action is SO MUCH smoother, I've never personally had a jam, or even had the bolt walk while loading a second shot.
It makes for a good first rifle, on a budget, and right out of the box from Walmart it was shooting 1 MOA groups easy, which impressed me because I didn't think they sighted them in much at the factory.
But I do agree, they need to up the quality on the stocks and bluing of the barrels, and could definitely make better actions for them as well.
1) As for the 6.5 gas gun...you guys need to give reloading a try! Even through the shortage, I've been able to find components to load 6.5 Creed for around $0.70/rnd. 2) It almost made me weep seeing you destroy that T/C Compass lol. I don't remember what caliber yours was chambered in, but its too bad it didn't group well for you. Yes it's cheap and doesn't have the fit and finish of a $1K rifle, but most of them shoot excellently, my particular example shooting sub-MOA all day long. I only wish that I'd bought more of them in different calibers when they were cheap. I did end up replacing the stock with a Boyd's, but it was to get a shorter length of pull for my diminutive wife. The factory stock was fairly well-built and had very little flex. Add a $35 trigger kit and you have what I think is the best rifle under $500. Looking forward to those upcoming reviews!
As someone who recreationally shoots 338 lapua, 35 bucks a mag is rookie numbers
Where are you finding brass? I just picked up a 6.5 prc and already have buyers remorse because I can't find ammo or reloading supplies.
WingedNomad Starline mostly
So that was interesting about the Thompson Center Compass. I have a lefty TC Dimension chambered in .308. It cost in the neighborhood of $650 and I had thought to buy a couple of additional barrels in different calibers for it but never did. TC didn't produce them for very long, I think people were mostly put off by their looks. Its very ergonomically designed, and as accurate as one could want. I did take it to a gunsmith to thread the barrel for a muzzle brake, which helped a lot with accuracy and follow up shots. Its my favorite bolt action, but now I'm very stingy with the ammo so I'm not shooting it much.
I knew before I clicked the mossberg was on here 😂
I bought a Remington 700 American hunter 2019 in 6.5 CM it's a great rifle. It has a Bellen Carlson stock & shoots very good. It shoots different Bullet weight to the same point of aim. It was more money than some of the more plan 700 Your making great videos keep it up. Thanks Sam
I had a great 30-06 Remington 700 from the 80s....no one wanted it anyway. So I recently gave it to my nephew. It is an excellent rifle.
My mom has a nice old specimen of a R700. Wood stock, cut checkering, real bluing and not the powder coat, jeweled bolt. An absolute beauty.
I have a Remington 700 I bought 3 years ago from 1981. Best rifle in my safe. It’s a great gun. The best thing you can do about the shit quality these companies are putting out nowadays, is buy old. Anything pre 2000 will almost always be good to go assuming it’s been taken care of. Just carefully inspect them before you buy them.
You are absolutely right. I have four Remington rifles made in the 1990s and all are shooters.
Yep. I bought my 1975 ADL in 2019. It’s practically mint too.
Loved my 700s but after some serious issues I’ve had with recent SPS models, I went with Bergara and I’ve been very pleased.
Same here
love my Bergara. Its what Remington SOULD be.
Problem is you bought sps
I watched the first 24 seconds of your video and immediately hit the subscribe button. Don't ever sell out and don't ever stop being honest!!!
All my good Remington's are from back in the day. They're my nicest rifles. But I have a newer model 770 and it's an absolute pile. The mags fall apart randomly and you have to put them back together all the time. The stock feels and looks like a kids toy with a plastic trigger guard. The bolt doesn't slide smooth at all no matter what you do to it. It'll probably sit in my safe un touched for the next 20 years.
Seven deer in seven years, seven bullets used. 770 May feel like junk but it shoots. Oh yeah,add a coyote.
Makes you wonder how people even took them out of the gun store
I miss when hardware stores, places like Kmart, and local or chain gas stations sold firearms. I was a kid at the time but I remember when we had more than 1 gun shop/retailer/dealer/gunsmith with selling too and there were more than 1 business per 500 people and I didn't even count the folks selling out of their homes or places I may be forgetting such as post it boards and newspapers.
My(our) decent Remingtons are pretty old in comparison. I mean my 30-06 came from my one grandfather who died in 88 and the rifle wasn't new then.
..Well, back in the day, the old man's Remington Speedmaster tube-fed takedown .22 would not fire more than 2 rounds without jamming. Bro sold it, even tho' it was a family heirloom. The landlord bought a Nylon 66, when they first came out. Jammed continually. He actually smashed it and tossed it into a bonfire..
I had the exact same experience with the Mossberg patriot. They test them at 25 yards. I sent mine in at my cost. Got no information back when it got back. They pulled the same thing "we did, A, B, C, and D. And here's the target"
That's when I asked "how far do you test shoot?"
They said "25 yards"
Why would any company make a centerfire rifle and test it at 25 yards and say it's good?
I have the patriot in .308
I have never had an issue with keeping a tight group and I sight in at 100 yards.
I have a mineral oil rag in a zip lock baggie. Always wipe down before storage
Me to, Got the tip from a gunblue490 video.
Only problem is that I dont know if the factory blueing is weak. On any of the rifles, they just wont rust. 😉👍
@@Greyzonecompliant yep, same here, and yes saw it on Gunblue also!
Same! and I have some Silica sachets in a container in the bottom of my gun safe.
That feel when you own 3 of these.....
Sell them all and buy a good one.
@@MrKimberr Meh, not really necessary. I have terrible eyesight, so my long distance game is pretty pointless. For shorter ranges I have an Enfield no4 and an SVT 40 I have grown rather fond of. They just go into the back of the safe until I need them.
There is nothing wrong with some of those guns. If it functions reliably and shoots well, it's good to go in my book. My TC Compass in 6.5 Creedmoor(had for under 300$ at the time) with a Nikon Prostaff 4-12 power scope( for 200$ at the time, and I think has the quality of a scope costing much more) will hold 1" groups at 100 yds with my handloads. I adjusted the trigger down to 2-3 lbs and gave the stock a nice camo paint job(I hate plain black stocks), it's sweet rig. Many of us do not have piles of money to throw around. For about 550$ invested, I love it. Some may say it does not have the "feel" of a 2,000$ gun. Maybe not, but it fits the bill for me.
Yeah.. Cabelas sale last year, bought for the family Savage axis 6.5 creedmoor. Worried now too
I've owned 2 T/C compass rifles, both in 6.5CM and found them to be very accurate (< 1MOA). I currently own a first run Ruger American in 270 and cannot chamber but the first 2 rounds from the mag. 3rd round hangs up on top of #4. Accuracy is MOA but of the two guns, I prefer the Compass.
Tc compass was my first rifle and it's great besides the stock. I got mine in .308 and it's actually crazy good getting 1/2 moa for me at 150 yards
RIP Remington 700, you’ve had your time on the throne
We all want to see that mossberg after the trip to the gunsmith lol! I have one myself that also groups like crap but I have taken 2 deer with it lol!
I have a couple mossbergs and they both shot under Moa but I also have heard that they either shoot great or they dont
@@ethanabrams6250 you got lucky, I’m very tempted to buy another one and see if I get a better one
@@israelnava6882 Despite the over-MOA groups, my Patriot would have been sufficient as a lightweight 200-yard hunting rifle. As a tool to improve my skill at the range, it was subpar.
I had the same experience with Mossberg that you had. As a kid I spent my first paychecks I got in the military on a 935. The firing pin struck the primers off center and with that I’d get pretty frequent malfunctions. I sent that stupid gun back 3 times before I said the hell with mossbergs. Each time they would say the gun worked fine. I ran lots of different brands of shells through it but had they all had the same result. Mossberg has some serious quality control issues.
Mossberg shotguns are GTG, Mossberg rifles stay far away from
Which pawnshop will the 6.5 be at?
For real
Can’t argue much with your assessments. Will say I bought a Savage Axis two years ago for my honey, and hunting body. She’s deadly with it- it’s a tack driver. I wanted a 6.5 Creedmore, so I told her to pick one out- thinking “ oh yeah, she’ll hunt with it, but I’ll have a creedmore to use when I want it!”. So, she picks out the Axis in MuddyGirl Camo finish. Thanx Babe. Pink rifles ain’t my style. Anyhow, it’s an awesome shooting gun. Happy with it. But I guess we’ve been lucky!👍😁🇺🇸❤️
I live near St. George, Utah, and Dixie Gun Worx is a great place for gun-smithing needs. I've gone there several times. Let me know if you want their information, but you can easily google them and find their location. I am not affiliated with them, I just like their service.
Haven't had any service done but used them as my FFL for a few purchases and always had a good experience with them.
Really like this channel. Honest as the day is long.
Do a video of the best guns your glad you bought or will never sell.
Savage Axis solution tested - I picked up a few savage axis rifles for the family during Covid as backups to our wood stock high end rifles. This year we were forced to hunt in rain, and with my solution I found doing research for work, we had no problems. I could tell we would have had problems compared to our other rifles had I not used this solution. I used CorrosionX gun oil! I am switching to this gun oil for all our guns and fishing reels! You should do a review of this product which is used by the Navy, NASA, and countless waterfowl hunters! Many in the energy industry are also using Corrosion X. This is an honest review!
Oh yeah I see that mossberg 😂. I used to want one. Got a Weatherby Vanguard Meat Eater Edition (7mm RM) instead, I love it so much.
Good Call !
Great choice. 👍🏻
If you want a smaller, handier version of the same rifle check out the Howa ranchland compact. It's a camp fave due to being reliable, accurate and comfortable for a wide range of shooters. The detachable mag kit shaves some weight and makes loading/unloading much easier.
I'm jonesing for a Wby Accumark with the coyote tan cerakote. The model I'm interested in is in loads of places on the 'net. images.coreware.com/images/products/516613-1049919.jpg
Guys, the Howa 1500's can't be beat for the price. The trigger is amazing. The stock is very solid with a great pad, and Cerakote is standard on some models for around $600. I know I'll have some detractors, but I now own three different models and looking at a fourth. God bless, Stay safe, Shoot straight. - Hedge
I really appreciate your reviews. So many RUclips reviewers are nothing but adverts. Also, I don’t feel that you have a bone to pick with anyone. You seem genuinely honest and fair with your assessments. Even when you give a bad review I feel that you don’t really want to, but do it out of honesty.
My TC Compass II has done me good since I bought it last year. Took a dear the first time I took it to the deer stand. I take it to the range about once a month and the thing shoots spot on each time.
Mine in 243 with a Nikon 3by9 and wouldn't trade it for any other deer gun! Worth every dollar!
@@patrickkerner1471 I've got a vortex vanquish 3-9×40 in my setup and love it
This channel, and Hickok45, are my two favorites for honest opinions. And although I like Hickok more, I think this channel is the best for useful information and honesty.
I’m just happy with my Browning A Bolt medallion in .308 even tho ammo is expensive right now it is my main hunting Rifle and it shoots tight groups and it does it’s job
I have a 1996 A-bolt in 3006 that they call the Lazer Beam in hunting camp. Drops whatever you point it at!!
I'm moving to Browning when it's time to shift around the usage philosophies of my current guns.
Almost went to the T-bolt .17HMR to replace my .243. I already have a 270 and the wife actually wants a paper target gun and not a hunting gun. So the 17 would be my varmint gun (up to coyotes) and the 270 is everything else.
@@davidturcotte5677 I love the 30-06 round I just only own an M1 Garand for shooting the round tho but since you also have the ABolt I just need to ask you a question and that being is your bolt rougher than most even after cleaning mine seems to always be just a little rough
A bolts suck. Receivers are cast, no aftermarket support, almost no one will rebarrel them. Say this as someone who has several.
1:10 There’s no sign of oil wiped down on those guns. Office boy should pay somebody to clean his guns for him.
Expensive guns tend to come with parkerization in the past or nowadays nitride, cerakote, etc that preclude the need to oil external surfaces. This can lead noobs down the path of OP.
@@hithere7382 Awesome! Guns that never need oiling! Thx noob. 👍
@@catlady8324 I said external oiling you inept reader... Guns have innards, you know like internal parts.
Since you can't read I'll spell it out again "preclude the need to oil external surfaces." This implies you still need to oil the internal surfaces, especially where metal meets metal.
@@hithere7382 So oil? Or no oil? What are you trying to say?
@@catlady8324 You lightly oil the action and inside the bore, a wee bit in some trigger groups. With a good action and barrel treatment you don't need to oil those on their outside surfaces, only inside.
If you want to oil the nicely finished surfaces on the outside and huff oil all day you go right ahead.
This is great info! Thanks for all the hard work and honesty that you put into your videos! Do you think you could do a review on safes at some point? I know that you primarily review guns, but being able to store them is also important and I would love to hear your honest opinion on safe options!
As someone who has owned hundreds of guns I've tried just about every gun lube and anti-rust product available. The best product I've found to prevent rust on guns and other metallic items is actually Johnsons paste wax. Another benefit is that it's not greasy/oily feeling and doesn't Cook off nearly as much as most liquid products.
20 bucks says you don’t own hundreds (meaning more than 200) assuming each gun is 300 (that’s beyond generous as I own guns in the 1000+ range) you would have spent at least $60,000 on guns either you’re very rich or you’re lying
@@leagueoflegendsplays9420 I have OWNED OVER 200. Just because you have a hard time understanding that some people aren't poor like you doesn't change that. You probably can't even afford to pay your bet.
@@ice-xv1hi my Barrett M82A1 laughs with Swarovski optic.
Or maybe we should laugh in auto trickler v3 for reloading.
Maybe my Dillon 1050 with mark 7 auto drive for loading 9mm and 5.56 and the occasional 10mm will laugh too?
@@leagueoflegendsplays9420 sounds like you're trying to impress everyone to make up for your other "shortcomings". If you really have such expensive toys why question that others have them too? It just makes you look like a jealous wannabe and a hater. Take my advice or not I don't give a chit but don't come crying when you end up with a bunch of rusted crap.
Awesome video! Great points! Glad to see you guys back making videos!
I own 3 savages and have owned a total of 6 savages over all from .22 to .17 to .5.56/223 to .308 and never once had any rust on them.
I've always found that you have to be extra cautious when taking opinions on rifles from online sources. There's an aweful lot of people out there that think that a 1 MOA rifle is benchrest quality. There's also a good number of people that cherry pick their 2-3 MOA groups for that 1 in a 1000 .5MOA group. Magically, that's all their rifle ever shoots. I don't remember who said it first, but the greatest accuracy enhancement device in the last century is the keyboard.
You make good points, although it may be a stretch to say people are claiming 1 MOA is "benchrest", unless they just don't know the meaning of the word. I do see folks often saying "it's plenty accurate" about an MOA rifle out of the box. I'd agree with that because those people and myself will never need benchrest grade. We need to put a bullet in the boiler of a deer from max. 250yds. If the meat's in the freezer, it's PLENTY accurate.
@@robwoodring9437 You would be absolutely shocked at the sheer amount of bs flying around the internet when it comes to what is an accurate rifle. Thousands upon thousands of these genius' legitimately believe their bone stock savage 110 will go toe to toe with an "insert high end rifle here" because Joe blow on whatever website said it's the most accurate factory rifle. Good enough for deer out to 400, absolutely. Good enough to compete with rifles built for precision and still stand a chance....very unlikely. Same thing goes for remington, winchester....etc. You may get that one in a thousand .3 moa five shot group, but can it be done consistently from bags? That's what I'm reffering to. People have been hunting deer and boar with 3+ moa weapons for centuries, long before 1 moa became standard. I'm talking precision here.
I appreciate the brutal honesty. A couple rifles that could be on that table from my experience: The Remington 710 the bolt action was so bad to cycle it was basically a single shot rifle. The TC Venture won't fire in cold temperatures, found out the hard way when not 1, but 2 trophy bucks walked by without a shot.
Two things for the Savage Axis, Remoil and/or CLP. I own my 2nd one now. I keep it clean and oiled, no problems. Both in 6.5 CM and will shoot 1 hole groups @100 yds if I do my job.
The only gun I ever sold in my life was a Henry 17HMR. It was called the varmit express or something like that. For some reason I just couldn’t bond with it. As a result I didn’t shoot it very well either. Even had a new barrel put on it by Henry and I still couldn’t shoot well with it. Sold it to a friend and bought a Henry 22LR and shot perfectly. Still my favorite plinker.
God I love Henry
Great video. I have always been a firm believer of the old axiom “You get what you pay for.” I am by no means a wealthy man, but I pinched my pennies and purchased a model 70 extreme weather, and an older used, but pristine Sako AV. I wanted guns that I know will last and can be passed down. I have also purchased a Bergara B14 Ridge Rifle and will say that that rifle is what Remington should be building. I wanted a Remington model 700 really bad, but after handling a couple, I just couldn’t do it and bought the Bergara.
Bergara's are basically Rem 700's. Also, much of the USMC Rem 700 community now works for Bergara.
Old Remington is nice. New is crap
I was given a 700 in '06 40+ years ago by a brother in law. It had less than 20 rounds put thru it. I paid to put a better barrel on it and a Timney trigger. I broke the stock falling on a steep scree sloop in the N.Cascade Mountains on a mule deer hunt so a Carlson stock was the replacement. I took a lot of game with it and my best shot was 740 yrds on a mule deer with a 3x9 Shepherd scope on it. No rest but timed fire from the shoulder. Training to shoot and burning powder with a spotter is what makes the difference. I won't use factory ammo as it's anemic and seriously under loaded. The ammo producers can't be faulted because they don't want to be sued by the ambulance chasers. Lets face it, lawyers have messed up everything because they want to milk the system for money. The trigger problem with the m700 was mainly a user problem. In the manual it tells the buyer to not adjust the trigger below 7#s as it will fire if the safety is taken off if the trigger is pulled while on safety.After 30 years of firing thousands of rounds and 2 barrel change out and detecting a slight creep in the release I replaced it with the Timney. That old gun is still putting rounds on the bullseye at 500 yards with no problem but its no beauty and won't make much money for my family when I go.lol They best guns are designed to fire multiple shots from the shoulder and that means levers,bolts and anything else. The m94 winchesters out of the box fails but the Savage m99 would and still is putting meat on America's dinner plate. I tried a Howa bolt action and it was horrible.Jamming and hanging up from the shoulder.With the Remington 700 I can put 6 rounds down range in less than 10 seconds . I killed 5 coyotes in a pack from 200 to 300 yrds once. No fur to sell as the 06 will blow them up. There are bad guns but if that is all you have then learn to use it til you can get something better. The 3030 is considered weak but I knew farmers up in Ontario,Canada who killed moose every year for 40 years with them.They took them apart and used honing compound to smooth the actions so they would reliably work from the shoulder. One old timer would buy a box of 20 every 20 years and only used 1 round to harvest his moose. He was Scottish. lol He had his fathers .44 1873 Winchester but didn't use it to hunt moose as the bullets weren't easy to buy. I'm sure he would have if the ammo was available.
CZ makes also makes a really nice gun for the money, but you cant find any right now. Bergara is surprisingly good for the price point.too.
Purchased Bergara B14 hmr. Loved all I researched about it and I was limited to being lefty. Cleaned, mounted, leveled and bore sighted viper PS2 . Haven’t shot but will begin breaking in this week. Only thing is weight 9.5 but lesser at 7.5?
A word on the Savage - I have tons. I'm a huge fan. When I was coming into the long range world, they were known as an easy to work on and cheap alternative to Rem 700. You could rebarrel, bed, and replace stock and have a tack driver. They were 1moa rifles that could be affordable when 1moa was still something to brag about.
I still have plenty of them. I love the Savage actions. That said - there are so many offerings these days that compete with them that it is crazy. 10-15 years ago, a rifle you could take out to 1k was gonna run you 2k without glass. Now you can get to 1k cor $1500 glass included and practice.
Hell, even Ruger is making some absolutely awesome and affordable bolt guns now.
Savage's button rifled barrels have been some of the most accurate out of the box rifles ever made. The 110 is way underappreciated. Its unfortunate that savage isn't more recognized, kind of like the CZ 527/550. I'm sure the finish on the axis series is sub par, but what can you expect for $350?
@LSDforEveryone They have a special place in my heart from when I first crossed the line from hunter to firearm enthusiast. I'll continue to buy them, too; they're awesome.
I vote tikka for the next remmington 700. Alot of new stuff coming out for their actions.
I really like my tikka t3. It shoots great and has a really nice soft crisp trigger. I shot my second deer with it
@@kyle18934 I have shot 9 deer with my Tikka T3 tactical since 2015.
@@hithere7382 what caliber do you have yours in?
@@kyle18934 308
@@hithere7382 ah nice. I got mine in 30.06, since my family already had one. It's a very nice gun. Very light, nice for hiking with it
I have bought numerous Remingtons (rifles and shotguns) over the last 34 years. I can't say there is a single one I have purchased in the last 15 years that is a "keeper."
I would love to see yall review the mauser m18
It annoys me how I find random channels like this with out knowing it exist. Good stuff brother!
Hey guys love the channel, could you do a review on the Australian made Lithgow 102 in either 308 or 223?
Check out Ozzie Reviews he’s done great reviews on both plus the .243 win. Beautiful rifles. My .243 shoots 1/2” with hand loads no problem at all
I have an Axis Hardwood in 243 and a standard Axis in 308. Neither has rust problems, a smile MCarbo spring change dropped the trigger pull down to between 2.5 and 3 lbs. Both deadly accurate. My Mossberg Trophy Hunter 270 Win is also pretty darn accurate, great trigger pull.
I love my Axis. I have a stainless in .243. It is a tack-driver.
Barrel rust at all on your sample?
@@nicholasgonzales6878 not a bit. I am happy with my Axis.
@@nicholasgonzales6878 It shots Barnes 80 grain vortex as 1/2 inch at 100 yards.
Jason I have a .308 Axis, 223 Axis, 223 Youth Axis ( for my grandson), three Stevens 200’s (the Axis replaced the Stevens 200 I was told) in 7mm08, a Stevens 200 .270. I replaced most of the stocks with Boyd stocks and added tactical bolt handles. They all are tack drivers like you said. And, NEVER had a rust problem. I HIGHLY recommend the Savage Axis. Also have a Thompson Compass in a 6.5 Creedmoor. Another tack driver. For the money a really good gun IMO.
I have a 308 and 30-06 axis. Amazing rifles and no rust
I can’t agree with what he said about Remington. I had a 700 mountain SS. It was a piece of crap. Shot ok. Super light and great looking rifle. I could not, for the LIFE OF ME, keep rust off of the “lightweight mountain hunting rifle”. None of my other firearms are rusted at all. A buddy of mine has a 700 that has been passed down to him. 30-40 year old rifle and that thing is phenomenal.
Agree. I bought a Mountain SS in 2018 and it had the worst trigger I've ever used. I had a gunsmith install a Timney trigger and problem was solved. When you pay $1800 for a gun, you assume it has a decent trigger.
I have three Remington 700's and they are all excellent rifles. Accurate, reliable, rugged and dependable, I plan on keeping them until I cannot shoot at which time they will get passed down to grandkids.
Oh, they are all over thirty-five years old.
You must have missed the part where he said the last 20 years.
@@irdgas1 35>20
Lol yeah that is the point. Prior to 20 years ago they made great weapons. So your rifles that are 35 years old would be when Remington made good weapons.
He said within that last 20 years. 35 would be 15 years before that…
@@stephenland9361 high IQ comment right there😂
Not a bad video but I’ll share my thoughts and experiences.
1) Remington Core Lokt ammo is exceptional for any non-magnum caliber. When the 6.5 CM came out I bought one just like everyone else. And just like everyone else I also bought high dollar polymer tipped ammo. 3 deer later with multiple holes and little to no blood, I second guessed the caliber. Come to find out, all it need was a nice soft point lead bullet. Rem Core Lokt started showing up in that caliber, problem solved.
2) Remington 783- I have this rifle in a 7mm Rem Mag and it is an absolute tac driver. My longest whitetail kill to date was with this gun shooting Win Deer Season XP ammo, 426 yrds on bipod legs. It does feel like a cheap gun, but it is a cheap gun. But mine shoots great and the recoil is noticeable below what I’d come to associate with a 7mm Rem mag.
3) Mossberg Patriot- I have this gun in .308 and again, the rifle shoots very well. It’s a cheap gun and certainly doesn’t feel like my Hells Canyon, but it does shoot/group reasonably well for the cost.
Please follow up on the mossberg patriot. I am very interested in seeing what is wrong with it and see what it will take to make it right. Thanks
Needs the action squared/trued and a good barrel and it’ll shoot like any SUB MOA guaranteed off the shelf rifle. Given at that point it’ll also cost as much as one.
The rear action screw on this gun is not your normal type of action screw so my guess is that it’s either that or it could be bases,rings or scope. Will be interesting to see what it is. Also all the mossbergs that I have seen and heard that don’t shoot have the wood stock
I just used TC Compass II in 6.5 creemoore to drop an Antelope at 400 yards. Not trying to be argumentative but in 6.5 I have been very happy. Thanks again.
You are dead on w Remington there quality control, triggers, accuracy etc etc has been garbage for a long time
I bought a (Remington made) Marlin XT-22. Right out of the box it had a BENT BARREL.
He's right about the build gun. I put a floated barrel walnut stock, a timney trigger and a cerakote job on my 700 adl. It's now smooth with a great trigger and a tack driver because of the better stock. But tbh I felt a little robbed off the shelf
not like a 1970s or 80s model 700
I’ve had a Remington 700 for 14 years and it hasn’t had any problems
@@colbycotton23 cause its 14 years old, they new ones are bad news
The dig on remington is warranted.....but the 783 and the 770 before that were CHEAP....and you knew going in it was cheap. I bought a 770 in 7mm08 and its a tack driver....but I put it in a boyds stock and upgraded the scope....although before that I took several whitetail with it. 100% correct on the savage bluing....I have several savage rimfires and Im meticulous with my guns....i take them out of the safe and oil and wipe them down monthly. And the savages have small rust spots....and were NEVER in the rain. The bluing even seems to want to come off with just a cotton cloth with rem oil on it.
I have had great success with the Mossberg Patriot. I definitely recommend the Ruger American as well. Super tight and nice an short
Buddy of mine has a ruger American ranch in 7.62x39 and with corrosive communist surplus ammo we are consistently getting 1.5 moa at 100 yards
1. Just get the barrel cerakoted. The action in the Axis is better than a 700.
2. The Patriot in 450 apparently shoots really well. But there are always the bad apples.
3. They could have done a lot better.
4. Your reasoning is pretty stupid. Semi is the way to go.
5. You can change the buttpad. For the money they could do a lot better on the stock. You are supposed to do cold bore 0 with a gun like that.
6. The 700 is not a good rifle. It was when it came out as it was cheap. But the bolts are always loose and other issues.
I find the "who wants a semi-auto in 6.5 creed" comment really ironic, as my thinking is the exact opposite. Why bother with anything in a bolt gun that I can get in a semi-auto?
Aero precision M5 6.5 creedmoor 24” ballistic advantage fluted barrel at 100 meters MOA or better most of the time 1/2 moa all depends on the person behind the rifle. The down side of it, it’s heavier than a bolt rifle.
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Bolt guns are more accurate than semi-automatics. But if your just shooting 100 yrds why shoot a 6.5 Creedmoor?
@@tubeonline629tell that to the guys stacking dimes in service rifle matches. Lots of quality semi rifles out there that are well below moa
@@tubeonline629 moa is moa at 100 yards or at 1000 meaning at 100 spread of 1 inch and at 1000 spread of 10 inches. Unfortunately my range only has 500 meters and my aero gets there boringly accurate with fix 10 power SFWA SS. And yes bolt action rifle are good too lol 😂
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Yes moa is moa, but just because you have a rifle that shoots 100 yd moa doesn't mean it will do moa at 1000 yds. There are way to many variables such as bullet stability and wind. Unless of course your firing laser guided bullets lol.
0:50 Savage Axis rust on barrels
2:20 Mossberg Patriot does not group precisely
3:30 Thompson Center Compass cheesy stock, heavy trigger
4:20 TWS out of Boised...AR rifle in 6.5 Creedmore, expensive...>$35 per magazine shot
5:20 Kimber Mountain Subalpine in .280 Ackley Improved, poor recoil pad, trigger length, unstable round forend, poor trigger, barrel overheats
7:10 Remington poor quality past 20 years
10:00 Good quality rifles
For deer 30/30 and a 243 are the best in my opinion, we never even have to chase them, they usually always just drop in their tracks and they're great bush guns. You don't need no big caliber for deer. You'll just blow giant holes in them and lose meat.
how many people are using larger than a .30 for deer?
@@dirtlegchaser2424 Too many, making up for something they're lacking haha
@@LexyThomas134 there a lot of calibers between .243 and 30-30. why those 2?
@@dirtlegchaser2424 Because they're perfect for deer hunting. I read your first comment wrong
I love my Kimbers but I’m with you on that rifle. I had an 84 Montana chambered in .300wsm and nothing was comfortable about that rifle. What’s the point in owning one if you don’t enjoy shooting it one bit? I sold mine real fast.
Man, that Sootch never met a gun (or a mirror) that he didn't absolutely LOVE.
Love my T/C Compass (.243 win) & my T/C Venture (25-06). Affordable, accurate & comfortable to shoot. I did upgrade both triggers w/ Mcarbo’s. Very disappointed that the Mossberg was a flop. Thanks for all the work you do. Keep em coming.
I admire you for telling it like it is! Thanks - much appreciated…I have subscribed.
Day late and a dollar short! I just bought an access in 243. Glad to know I’m gonna have to keep the oil to it
Bro you have no idea how much I appreciate your channel and reviews! As someone who has ALWAYS defended the 2A, understanding that beyond anything else it's to act as a final check against tyranny, but who's never made it a priority to own firearms until now, your reviews are so helpful! I appreciate it man keep up the awesome work 😁
Thanks, this is great! I've been fortunate with my TC Compass- groups great, handles well, cycles reliably- but the with the low cost ($220) it was an acceptable gamble. Growing up with Remington, Winchester, and Browning, I had never given much thought to Tikka but I'm checking it out now. I will say that when I bought my Compass, I also handled multiple other rifles in the under $500 category, and completing a blind test for feel and function made all the difference. No matter what I'd read or heard, the handling of so many lauded rifles (like your issue with the kimber trigger) with my eyes closed immediately disqualified more than half of them. They just didn't feel right to me, and if a rifle can't first pass that test, nothing else is going to matter.
My TC Compass shoots great as well. Accurate. The trigger can be adjusted to a hair trigger by using a little imagination and a washer.
Seems like as I scroll through the comments, I really haven't seen a lot of bad experiences with the TC Compass so far.
@@andybassham2369 It's not fancy, but it is an accurate rifle. My coyote shooter is a TC with w suppressor and thermal scope. Fun as hell
ive got a tikka 22-250 , awesome coyote gun and a plus , the triggers adjustable
I totally understand the issue you have with that kimber. Still love my hunter though.
Can't agree entirely on the Kimber Mtn. Ascent faults. I have one in 308 and love it. Been to Africa with it twice, antelope in Wyoming, hogs in Texas, and have taken a fair amount of game with it. Stock design is just not a problem. Recoil pad could be better, agreed. But with the muzzle brake, it's just not an issue. I also have two model 700s - a 22-250 tack driver from the late 60s and a 308 in the 5R model from 10 years ago. Quality was still OK for the 5R, but the action was showing a decline in finish and smoothness. Great review - thank you!
Spot on! - I gave up on a 308 Patriot that grouped like a 12 gauge - & exchanged it for a Howa 1500 for the woods. Bergara & Tikka for off-the-shelf build - my T3x in 6.5cm shoots sub-moa with almost anything but a box of ELDx is NZ$84-94 & rising….
Remington CEO, in 1960's, 70's, 80's Remington made great rifles. I have owned them. By the year 2000 corporate greedy staff were idiots and it shows on the path they led you down. If you tried to give me a modern Remington, I would refuse it. Fire your executive corporate staff who have destroyed your Remington company and your reputation. They don't need golden parachutes for being idiots. Go back to the Remington 700 with a safe 3lb trigger. Go back to standards in stainless, BDL, CDL. If you don't do this, you will cease to exist in 10 years. Then advertise you made these changes. Until YOU do CEO, Remington is dead to me.
The T/C Compass II in 6.5CM can be a tack driver. It is the best value for a new hunter.
Agreed