@@nmende00 The 30-06 came from the 8x57JS, the US took 8x57 JS case increased the neck, then neck it down from .323-.308. That is why the 30-06 & the 8x57 JS have the same case head size.
@@VitoBb1978 "The 30-06 came from the 8x57JS" Actually Vito, it's based on the 7x57. The military was so impressed with its performance during the Spanish-American war, that they started a program to develop a cartridge to replace the .30-40 then in service. Truth be told, the .30-40 is an amazing round and all they had to do was ditch the weak Krag rifles and standardize the '95 Winchester, which could handle the higher pressure version that the Army used for a short time.
Started more than 30 years ago with 30-06 and never looked back! The versatility in this calibre is just amazing. From small game to big antelope, including Eland!
You can easily take most everything across the globe with that round. Especially with the diversity of the bullets today that are sent downrange. The only thing that I would use bigger calibers for are the big and/or dangerous game. IE... Cape Buffalo, Elephant(the big five). And, if it was the very large aggressive bears. That's only because you don't want something running around angry after getting shot. That could be bad for your health...lol
I’ve had most of the magnums and all of these except 6.5. I just shoot 243 and 308 now as it really doesn’t matter, it’s more about shot placement. Great video 👍
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Shot placement so true, nowadays I use a 204 most would say way to small. Only if you can’t continuously hit a nickel at 100 yards, Then you better use something more like a 30-06, I don’t like wasting meat so only neck or head shots, with my 204 out to 150 yards
I live in Alaska and use nothing but a .308 for hunting I use it yearly for Moose and works great. Good bullet selection is key. I like the 168gr Trphy Grade and Balistic tip. I have even taken Grizzlies with 180gr. Best all around caliber easy and cheap to find good ammo for it. Great for beginners and experienced hunters. Don't forget accuracy in shot placement is also important 👌 😉
@@GeneralGiffel 308 is underpowered for grizzly it is not recommended but that is JUST short of hurting a grizzly effectively so a 30-06 could be closer but i'd suggest starting at 300 win mag or higher if you want something for all north american game including grizzly there are small enough bullets for deer and big enough bullets for grizzly and bison the only downside is barrel life really, though to be fair a 308 WILL kill a grizzly it's just shot placement and bullet type i would be highly concerned about a close range encounter with a brown or grizzly bear it will not go down in one shot if you can't hit the head or sever the spine.
Came across a 6.5 Swedish Rem 700 about 20 years ago. Already had a '96 Mauser in same chambering. Handloading anywhere between 100-160 grain loads it is very versatile. Accurate, flat shooting, low recoil. Pretty much retired the '06.
1. .260 especially if they want to continue using an AR platform 2. 7mm-08 again can be found in AR platforms if that is what you like 3. .308 again also can be found in AR platforms 4. 6.5 creedmoor 5. .280 more punch than the .270 and just as flat shooting with the same recoil based off the .30-06 basically a 7mm non magnum Honorable Mention - .30-06, .270 and .257 Roberts...magnums are good and can cover anything in Northern America but recoil come with them
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Very good unbiased explanation of every round. I like .308 win - 7.62 NATO. If a newcomer wants to research shooting rounds, your piece is a very good starting point.
Well this is just a fantastic video! I JUST ran these numbers TODAY with Hornady's ballistic charts from 2019 and came to nearly an identical conclusion. In terms of cartridges that scale from deer to moose I had found: Light - .308 (honorable mention to 6.5PRC which has GOOD potential) Medium - .270 or .30-06 (both perfect lower 48 cartridges) Short Mag - .300rcm or .300wsm with a good brake (doesn't scale down to deer well...ft-lbs too high on the smallest grain ammo) Std Mag - 7mm rem mag or .300 win mag with a good brake (enough for big bear but is still a nasty drop for white tail sized game) Amazing how relevant the .30-06 and .270 are today for hunting EVERYTHING and even reaching 1000m shooting with ease. Everything else is either too costly, too hard to find, kicks too much, too weak, or crap barrel life. Great video, subscribed!
Yes but not every shot will be perfect, you will mess up. Thats why people dont use 22s for deer. I do agree that shot placement is very important though but u will mess up at some point
Good clip! I'm not a new shooter or hunter. I grab my 30-06 and 308 all day every day for anything hog / white tail and up! Note, I have never been out for Elk or Moose. I would add 243, 22-250, (30-30 and 7.62x39 for sub 200 yards) and game up to white tail.
G'day, The 308, 30-06,and 300 Win Mag, Should be classed close to each other since they generally shoot the same projectile. Each step is just a bit more speed
I selected a .308 rifle for a few reasons. 1. readily available in factory loads of every type you can imagine including lead free for Ca. hunting to cheap milsurp (7.62x51). 2. short action means shorter gun, and shorter motion for bolt or lever (BLR). Dies, brass and bullets super easy to get for reloading. 4. Same bullets as another gun I have in 30 caliber. 5. Respectable for any North American game.
Oh nice, an other caliber discussion! 😁 So, here I am (sorted by size). 😎 1: .243 Win. 2: .25-06 Rem. 3: .6,5 × 55 SE // .260 Rem. // .6.5 Creedmore (use the same bullets) 4: .270 Win. 5: .7mm-08 // .7 × 57 mm // .7 × 64 mm (use the same bullets) 6: .308 Win. And if Bud Spencer is the new hunter, than 7: a .30-06 Sprg. in his left and 8: a .458 Win. Mag. in his right hand. 😁 My personal recommendation for new hunters would be hand loaded (to get the best out of it) cartridges in .7mm-08 with a shorter (22" or 24") and the .7 × 64 mm for a longer (26") barrel. But basically, the choice of the appropriate caliber depends on several factors: - where do I live and which calibres are prohibited or allowed there - which game do I want to hunt - where do I want to hunt (forest, open terrain, mountains...) - which ammunition is regionally available - what is my stature and physique and how do I cope with the weight and recoil of the rifle or its caliber and many other things - and therefore also could be recommended a .30-06 Sprg. or even bigger for a new hunter if it is personally suitable.
Thanks for being realistic about the game limits for 6.5CR, so many people exaggerate its effectiveness in large game, which means a lot of injured animals out there.
Of all those, my personal favorite is the .308 Winchester. It's good out to 300 yards, but the recoil is not as bad as the .300 Winchester Mag can be. Ammo cost/availability was another big factor in the .308 being one of my favorites. I've been able in the past (pre-shortage days) to find mil surplus 7.62x51 NATO stuff for really cheap, allowing for more range time just to keep the basic skills up.
I chose 308 for my first real hunting rifle. It can do everything I would ever want to do and cost a lot less to shoot than almost any centerfire rifle. I'm excited about getting into hand loading to have several rounds for different game and terrain. Cheers
@brian bowes You can take a single pellet of no. 0 buckshot sized to. 309 and seat it over 2.5 grains of bullseye with a kapock filler for squirrels and rabbits, and although not legal the 240 grain Woodleigh, driven at 2300 fps at the muzzle will cleanly take elephants with head shots.
@brian bowes It doesn't take much. Just enough to sort of make a wad to keep the powder close to the flash hole. You do have to be careful not to knock the ammo around and to keep it upright so you don't dislodge it.
@brian bowes Can't disagree with anything you're saying, but the only reason I'd buy a 30-06 is if I could only have one rifle. Otherwise, there is a better round for pretty much everything in North America.
7mm rem mag is easier on the shoulder and less expensive than the .300 win mag, which is in no way a cartridge for beginners. how about 7mm-08, 260 rem, 280 rem, and 25-06.
I totally agree. Not many people can handle a 300 win mag, the recoil is simply too much. The 7MM is way better than the 30-06 for distance shooting and just a little heavier.
30-30 is, and has always been, a great deer cartridge and a modest recoil makes it a great beginner cartridge too. I don’t understand how the 300mag made a beginner list, but the 30-30, 243, 25-06 , 7mm 08…so many were left out. If you’re introducing a kid or your wife to hunting, handing them a 06 or 300mag is not the way to do it, in my opinion. 270 and down I would say would be much better.
25-06 is almost forgotten today...prairie dogs to yes...elk! Not fur friendly. Will make a canoe out of a fur bearing predator. Recoil tolerable. Powder pig it's loud. Legal for elk. In most states. Mine has killed numerous elk. With an 87 gr. PSP. It's accurate. A 220 Swift humanely kills big game animals on account of it's accuracy. But not legal in some states. The Swift and the 25 as well as the 7 mm Rem. Mag have been my go to's...the 7 is tolerable with 145 gr. Speer PSP...and it too is...bad ass!
@@curlyyoder I had a teacher a lifetime ago who had a chance to hunt moose in Alaska. His choice of rifle? 25-06. One shot to the neck and he bagged his moose. Some would question or argue the choice and the shot placement, but the results speak for themselves. He knew his rifle and his capabilities, something that far outweighs caliber.
I think the 30.06, the .270 and the .308 are the cartridges that are most likely to be inherited since they have been around a long time. I could totally see the 30-30 on this list as well.
Good video. Honest, practical, offering options for most all levels of hunting. Your choices were very good but a few others could be included like the 243 and 7mm-08.
Realistically, ALL of those are capable of taking moose at 300 yds so long as you choose a projectile that's capable of doing the job. In the world of high power rifles, 300 yards is relatively close range. If the rifle is capable of doing the job at 100 yds, its also capable at 300 yds. Beyond 300 yds velocity is starting to drop quickly, and so does the trajectory. For 300 yds and under, the 300 win mag has no advantage over the 308 unless you consider more recoil to be an advantage. In fact, I would strongly recommend against the 300 win mag for someone who hasn't learned to deal with heavy recoil.
That's why he said "For beginner" hunters. If you pick up a 300 WIN MAG, pretty much any factory cartridge is ready to bag moose. Avid hunters can handload even 243 to take moose. Ethically
@@evanburdick8503 Actually, no. A beginner can't normally hit an animal at 300 yds period. Most beginners have a hard time making an acceptable shot on live game at 100 yds. Put a 300 win mag in their hands to start off with and they will quickly develop a flinch so bad that they'll never be able to make a shot past 75 yds or so. 308 isn't a pip squeak in the recoil department, so this is still an issue, but not nearly as bad as with the 300 win mag.
@@nospam3409 With a solid piece of glass (Anywhere between 12-20 power), you have to try to miss with a 300WM at 300yrds. The drop is only like 5". For hunting big game, 180gr is go to, so unless its super windy out in the fields, you dont usually have to worry about windage either. Mind you, I'm referring to big game hunting at longer range. So usually prone with a rifle rest. Shooting offhand is a talent I'd only let intermediate and advanced hunters try at 300yrds
@@evanburdick8503 That's not really my point. I've been rather successful at NRA Highpower, Collegiate small bore, 3D Archery, and some local bowling pin matches. I've taken plenty of prairie dog pups at 150 to 200 yds from a standing position, and 400 yds is a gimme shot from prone. I run a 6.5 Grendel upper for deer and it wears a 4.5-27x50 optic with a FFP Christmas tree reticle. My farthest kill so far with it is a prairiedog at 600 yds. I'm pretty confident that know what it takes to hit game animals at 300 yds. The issue isn't the rifle, cartridge, or the glass. The issue is the clown behind the trigger. Some people, like you and I, are born with an inherent level of focus, perception to detail, and high level of individual muscle control and we learn to shoot extremely well extremely quickly. That's not the case for the vast majority of people, hunters or not. For most people, if you start them off with anything that generates an appreciable amount of recoil (ie more than a 223 bolt gun), they will develop a flinch that takes a significant a.out of dedicated and structured training to overcome. A 300 win mag certainly falls in that category. Heck, so does the 308 for that matter. Unfortunately, regardless of caliber, cartridge, rifle, or glass, most beginners struggle to make good hits at 100 yds. Once someone has learned decent trigger control, how to manage a little recoil, and how to shoot from a few different field positions, then I'd say your assessment of the 300 is spot on. 👌
Ed Williams If one are shooting the tiny deer in Texas or New Mexico or Arizona and the deer weight in at 200 on the hoof. Yes the 243 is a good caliber BUT for an overall perfect deer gun far far far from it. When deer are weighting at 350-500 lbs. there are much more effective rounds. At those sizes they absorb the bullet when shot in the boiler room and walk/run away with no blood trail sometimes most times where I’m from they are not seen against. So saying that where I’m from the 243 is not a recommended deer caliber. I will never recommend the 243 as a deer caliber. There are so many more better rounds for youth ladies and first time hunters then the 243.
I bought a 270 over 20 years ago. It was recommended to me by three different gun shops in the western South Dakota/ eastern Wyoming area. It was the answer to the “I can only afford one gun for the lower 48 what caliber do I get question.” I still think it was the perfect buy.
Nice video. Something to add: some of those bigger calibers can kick like hell in some rifles. I definitely wouldn’t recommend a 300 win mag on most platforms. On a good heavy rifle absolutely. Again great video man. Smooth and easy on the ears. Enjoyed it a lot.
You present a good, logical point of view. Thank you. I've hunted on 3 continents over 40 years. I'm not a professional, don't work for any gun or ammunition manufacturer. As far as center fire rifles for North America, I have three, depending on where in North America. For the thick swamps of the southeast, where ranges are from 25 to 100 yards, the .35 Rem. For everywhere else except for elk, moose and the big bears west of the Rocky Mountains, a 25-06. For west of the Rocky Mountains and the elk, moose and big bears there, the .300 WinMag. Just my opinion.
I have 2 of the .300 Savages... inherited them both... and never shoot them..... only because I started with a .308 essentially the same cartridge.... I run my surplus .308 brass through my .300 Savage dies and trim to make .300 Savage ammo. I also use the surplus .308 and neck down for my .243 All in all I would agree with this video.... as with a number of the comments.... the .300 wing may be a bit much for new shooters.... however both my son and his friend (new hunters) have used it.... and liked it.
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I started moose hunting with a group a few years ago. We are always successful and usually harvest 2 a season - it is split between 4 families. I use my 308 win up to 300 yards and my 300 win mag up to 600 yards. I have never wounded and lost an animal. I reload 165/168gr in the 308 and 180gr in the magnum. Stay safe and happy shooting.
I inherited a 30-06 and a 12 ga. from my grandfather after he passed away. He was a veteran. I moved away from my family and left the firearms with them. One day my family informed me that they were stolen. It broke my heart because it had sentimental value. I know it’s just a material object but I wanted to pass it on to my kids. 😢
@@Gingerjoe27 unfortunately I did not. I never thought I needed to. I never thought they would have been stolen. My situation is a live and learn lesson I guess. 😞
Ty for the review. Canadian hunter here and I can assure you that within 250-300M (which is plenty for real life woodland hunting btw) the mosse will drop cleanly to a 308 shot. What I mean is wihtin this distance, the 308 as plenty power to drop the game and it's down to the shooter and conditions on the ground at the moment. (and yeah, shoot your rifle a couple time a year, a box or two at a time).
@@dakkadakka9189 Depends on what you're hunting. Hard to beat a 7mm-08 for deer, but I wouldn't hunt larger game with it. A 308 loaded hot with a large bonded or solid bullet can provide a little more use if you're hunting more than deer.
@@greymooose1000 with real hunting bullet like tsx or gmx id have no problem at any reasonable range using my dad's 7/08 on moose though if you want a real thumper.friend had an old remington in 35 whelen
@@dakkadakka9189 Never though of getting GMX's for it. I may have to try that for my wife, as she now hunts with my old 7mm-08. And yeah, I wish my 35 Whelen was a bolt action, rather than single shot, because then I'd use it for moose and bear over my 300wsm.
@@greymooose1000 ya I have heard really good reports on gmx from friends that hunt with em but I'm getting 3/4 inch groups or less out to 200 yards and are with in a half inch of my vmaxs with the same zero so I don't wanna try any thing else especially not after seeing what that little bullet does on impact , 35 whelen is a great caliber heavy bullet and great velocities, my friends is a remington 700 in 35 whelen with irons and a 2-7x33 luepold he's getting 2650 with 250 grainers and handloads
My favorite deer or elk , especially brush gun and at the ready is Winchester 30-30 model 1894 ..that lever action compact classic is such a great gun .
@@jumpy5064 I would say that it does ok when using the correct bullet weight and good shot placement. Its popularity is based on timing and marketing, rather than performance. Due to the twist rate of the 270, it cannot fire heavier bullets and maintain stability, giving it one of the worst sectional densities on the market (lowest penetration capability per bullet weight) It also has one of the worst ballistic coefficients among hunting rifle cartridges, meaning it is one of the worst in air/wind resistance, so it is inefficient at long range per its powder charge. Also, with any 30-06 parent casing, it's not particularly well suited for ladies and youth like a 308 parent casing OR long distance use as seen in magnum casings. It does ok, but anyone serious about performance wouldn't touch one.
@@greymooose1000 I have killed many white tail deer with my 270 from 25 to 250 yards, and it's always preformed very well. It has been around for a long time, and is very popular, that speaks volumes.
@@CARLPHILLY Look, it's not a ball and cap musket. It's a well made, high powered rifle that has a great selection of bullets for deer. But, when compared to others, it does not perform quite as well and it's limited in terms of flexibility in its casing class.
I learned to shoot with a 7mm rm...ruger m77 Mark 2 so never understood the recoil issue. Also have a 30-06 and 243.(disclaimer all my guns have suppressors) Ive also shot with 308, 223, 300wm, 25-06 and 375. Shot everything from impala, springbok to eland with the 7mm. My only complaint with the 7 is that I need to do neck or head shots for smaller game due to the relatively more extreme meat damage. For long walks where the game has large variety and the bush is thick I found my friends 308 is amazing. Its shorter and lighter. Meat damage is not bad. For long open plains the 7mms reach is an advantage. Also note the 7mm is more forgiving when shot placement is bad. I've put down wildebeest with poor shots. Last month I made a poor decision by taking a 350meter shot at an Oryx at sunset with my 30-06 (only wounding the animal). I then had to track the animal in patial darkness. My 7mm would have taken the Oryx easily at that distance. It was too dangerous to continue tracking when it got dark, so the next morning I tracked the animal and put it to rest with the 7mm.
I would add the .243 Win. It is low priced like the .308 and .30-06, may be more easy to find ammo, and is low recoil for new/younger shooters. My oldest son shot his first coyote a 9 years old and first deer the following year with a .243 Win.
Do you hand load ? If so try loading up Barnes tsx great bullet , I have a 24 inch barreled 243 with 85 grain tsx load worked up doing 3150 at the muzzle ( am over max charge but we worked it up slowly and no pressure signs plus still getting 6 loadings out of hornady brass) taken white tail and bigger mule deer, 115 yards on a 130 pound white tail bullet went clean through In between the ribs entrance and exit wound top qaurter inch of the heart and both lungs bullet turned lungs and heart to consistency of unset jello and just about seperated the lungs at impact, deer was dead befor it hit the ground
@@dakkadakka9189 Yes, we reload. We tend toward Nosler bullets and have good luck with them. We use the 95 gr Ballistic tip for deer and the 55 gr Ballistic tip for everything else. We shoot them out of a Rem 788 and a DPMS LR-243.
@@CPUDOCTHE1 nice I have my tsx for hunting and use 87 vmax for just shooting as the Barnes are twice the price , luckily for me velocity are really close and my tsx hits just a half inch higher then my vmax at 100 yards with it zeroed for the vmax so I don't have to change zero, how's the dpms treated ya ?
Don't forget the humble 6.5x55 Swede. It's an old cartridge but is still used today and is the father of the Creedmoor. It cost less than 308, shoots flat, and penetrates deep. Commonly used to take elk.
They are ALL great rounds. I DO believe the 25-06 is left out in the cold. It is a great round a pairs nicely with the 30-06. I do not own a 7mm-08 or a .243, but love the numbers and the stories. The 22-250 cannot be ignored for it's extreme velocity and penetration. I LOVE the 270 and 7mm Rem Mag. The .308 is the least expensive (For me) and all over the place. Can't swing a dead cat without hitting a box! The 6.5 is the new kid and has a great following. 300 Win Mag is VERY Nice! But to be honest, If I HAD to pick one,...It would be the most versatile,...The 30-06.
I have a 243 and it has never let me down, I'm hoping to try a 7mm-08 this coming season. I usually hunt where I won't be making more than a 150 yard shot so I expect the 7mm-08 to knock them out of their socks.
The same thing happens to me as I live in a shitty country... it's called Argentina... 308 brass is scarce, expensive, and even of poor quality. I have obtained from cheap and even free l brass of 270 and 06/30. I no longer have magnums because I can't afford them, but if today I would have to suggest 3 rifles, it would be 223 (to use it unnoticed with a 221 fireball, 243 and 270 load. However, I have a specialized 22/270 rifle that is taking away the use of my 270 which has been stored in my gun rack.
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@@kadenhoff6814 it’s fine for moose. I live in a high population moose area. People around here drop moose with 30-30’s. 7mm-08 I think is probably the best option for having one gun to shoot anything from rabbits to bears.
One of the most popular moose rounds in Finland is the .308. Definitely pulls its weight up in that class also. It's a fantastic allrounder for any hunter out there.
For a new guy who wants an all-rounder that will handle any big game without the flinch-inducing recoil; I'd suggest either the 7mm-08 (or 7x57 if you prefer to shoot a real classic) and the .308 Win.
People keep forgetting that in most cases .308 is within 100 FPS of .30-06. It has a little more oomph but not much. .308 will take a moose. I know ppl who use it to do that.
@@cbwelch4 Only in factory loads. If you hand load, the 30-06 starts to pull ahead. -06 can also handle the 200+ gr bullets. You can download a 30-06 to be a .308, but a .308 can’t do the few things 30-06 can.
The best hunting cartridge is one that you can shoot accurately, comfortably, that you have confidence in an that can cleanly an efficiently kill the game you are hunting
I shoot a 30-06 and a 6.5 creedmoor. Both of them are tack drivers and deer slayers. I only use the Hornanday Interlock bullet in them. The 30-06 is my favorite but I like the 6.5 creedmoor too especially for longer shots. It's a little bit like going fishing with a micro fishing rod, its fun to tag those deer who are a couple hundred yards away with it
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AGREED, plain & simple with ALL the cartridge choices. The ONLY aspect I might differ on is their use for “new” hunters. Seasoned hunters choose THESE rounds EVERY general rifle season when hunting medium/big game all across N. America. My favorite has been my Winchester Featherweight .270 Win. for a long time. This year actually I changed it up a bit and hunted with my M1A/.308 Win. A fantastic platform to be sure...
The Sideburn Hunter..again I’ll agree. I’ve never been one to follow “trends” or ‘new’ latest and greatest anything really. Hybrid or ‘wildcat’ bullets have NEVER been an interest whatsoever. Cartridges & loads tried & proven that have been around since WWI & II, with the exception of the ‘AR’ platform were and are my main interests. The ‘newer’ cartridges for the AR for me would be the .300 BLK & the 6.8 SPC (LWRCI- specific). Reloading for 9mm, 40 S&W, 38 SPL/357 and .223/5.56 to the 308 Win..if I ONLY concentrated on these specific loads, I’d be happy. That doesn’t mean there aren’t GREAT NEW ones out there either. The .224 Valkyrie and the here-to-stay 6.5 CM is a fantastic flat-shooting 1,000+ yard round
25-06 before 6.5 Creedmore. I bought my .270 in 1974, based on all the Outdoor Life articles I read by Jack O'Connor, and assuming that I might graduate from deer to elk some day. That never happened, alas. If I knew I wouldn't hunt anything larger than deer, I'd go with 25-06.
.300 Win Mag for a new hunter? Scope bite+3or4 stitches=former new hunter! [Laffin'😁] Any bolt action rifle chambered in 243 Win is an excellent round up to mule deer sized game. Beyond that, the .30 06 and the .308 are more than ample. I've been hunting deer and antelope for over fifty years. I still cringe a bit before touching off my .300 Win Mag, pushing 180 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips, when sighting it in. Funny thing though, when it's thrown down on a huge Wyoming 4x4 muley, I never even hear the gun go off! Guns N Basses Forever! 🔫🎸
@@jeffscuderi8662 Actually, the problem is that often times many shooters don't know that they don't have the requisite amount of eye relief, until they pull the trigger...especially newbs, but not exclusively. Seen a lot of old timers get kicked in the face with a scoped 30.06, 7Mag, you name it. Give 'em a 300 Win Mag and let 'em have at it. Then when he's bleeding like a stuck pig, explain eye relief to him...[laffin'😁]
@@jeffscuderi8662 👍...then you're good to go! Should never see you in the Redi-Care getting your nose stitched back together. Happened to my buddy, on a Wyoming hunting trip, and believe me, it's not a pretty sight.
I’m surprised the 30-30 wasn’t mentioned. Lever guns are great and that’s what I started on. Reliable, simple, easy guns. Accurate, effective for deer, moderate recoil, 30-30. -Grant
@s d you just described it as being good at woodland distances which is the only thing it is good at. That’s not versatile. They‘re also inaccurate compared to pretty much any new production bolt action. I‘m not trying to bash 30-30s but there definitely are factors that would be flawed for a new shooter.
All that you have chosen are wonderful calibers and there are many others to choose from also. At this stage of life I would suggest a caliber in which ammunition is available and probably will be in the future. .308 would probably be a good one and the .308 is one of the most accurate firearms out there.
the old 30-30 is still probably in the top 5 around here for deer.I have killed more deer with mine than anything I own,and I also have a 25-06 and 280.The light recoil of the 30-30 will keep more folks shooting.
@@pallmall5495 practice more then anything then bullet selection after that , 243 and 3030 are very enjoyable to shoot I have alot of trigger time behind my 243 and working on it with my new to me 30 30, hand load for both now my 87 grain vmaxs are fun and cheap for coyotes but would never think about using that for deer, my 85 grain Barnes are excellent for hunting very good performance best part is for me my handloads are pretty similar both just over max charge (no pressure signs) and my Barnes hit just a 1/2 inch high at 100 yards of my vmaxs so I don't have to re zero for hunting.
@@dakkadakka9189 I love a 243 myself.One gun I kick myself for selling was a Savage Model 99 in 243.Here, most shots on deer are less than 100 yards,considerably less I would say.My old 30-30 brought down many in that range.Then I had my uncle start handloading me some spitzer bullets for the 30-30.It turned it into a 2 shooter to be safe,but it brought the trajectory very close to a 243.That flatter shooting also brought about some misses as I was used to holding high.But those were my early,and much more fun days of hunting and shooting.Before you had to have a $2000 rifle just to even have a chance at killing a deer lol.Happy shooting my friend,and be safe out there.
@@pallmall5495 nice those 99s are beautiful rifles, certainly love the modern powders still run flat nose 150s in the 3030 but I push em with a fairly warm load of leverevelution powder (1 grain below max charge) getting 2600 fps at the muzzle out a 20 inch 1894
@brian bowes oh yeah any deer I've shot with those Barnes have dropped right where they were may be 1 step at most, tsx does some pretty nasty things to what it hits . Last deer I shot I got absolutely text book shot went in between the ribs both entrance and exit (pure luck for splitting the ribs ) hit top of the heart and both lungs bullet went straight through dressed em out and lungs and heart were like really runny hello almost a liquid also just about ripped the lungs in half where it hit , friend who's been hunting for years and my dad were both suprised at just how much that bullet did.
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As a few others have mentioned, I would steer clear of the 300wm and the 30-06 if you are a new shooter simply because of the recoil. I would add the 7mm-08 to this list as it is flatter shooting than the 308 and with proper shot placement, it is capable of taking elk sized game
Good post! The .270 will take any game in North America. The .308 will take on all comers too. My brother shoots exclusively with the .30'06 because he procured 2,500 round nose 200 grain Spitzer soft point bullets at an garage sale for a few bucks. He uses a Lee Loader and ordinary old school IMR. His loads kick like a battery mule but are good enough at 300 meters. I use a Lee Loader too, but for .270 and .308. Face it, you are only going to get one shot an with his '06 I shot an antelope at 200 meters and he fell over dead and never suffered. I am a simple person and really see no need for all these new rounds? In the case of rifles newest is not always best, for me anyway.
You didn't mention the .243 Winchester, a lot of Mule deer sucumb to it every year. Also, I feel the 7MM rem mag is a lot better for deer and antelope than the 300 winchester Mag. Its recoil is almost the same as the 30-06 and shoots much flatter. It also can be used for Elk and Moose. My personal favorite is the .270 Remington with 110 grain Barnes TSX bullets for antelope and Muleys and 130 grain TSX for Elk and Moose. My Moose was dead when the 130 gr. TSX hit his heart and then it continued through the off side shoulder and exited the hide on that side. He dropped where he stood on the bank of the pond he had just exited. I guess old Jack O'Conner knew what he was talking about. What ever you do, don't follow his advice as a 130 grain silvertip on top of 64 grains of 4831 (it would have been H4831 as IMR 4831 wasn't invented yet) powder will surely cause a problem.
I went hunting in the Czech Republic in the 90s with a Ruger No. 1 with Mannlicher stock and 20" barrel and caliber 7x57mm. I shot a roe buck there at 180 m. 7x57 is a good hunting cartridge. I also had a pre-war Mauser in 7x57 (1937) and an FN Mauser in 9.3x62 caliber. I am a German from Franconia and now live in Thailand.
Very nice video but if there was one round that could be swapped out for a different round i would probably suggest the 300 win mag. The 300 win mag is an excellent cartridge, but a new shooter my not like the heavier recoil that it has to offer. The round that should replace it in my opinion would be the 243 Winchester. The 243 has less recoil, but a very good round for hunting everything up to deer for a new hunter.
ryan rogers well sir if you are looking for a round that may fit those need look no further to a few round. Depending on if there is brush or it’s a clean shot a 7mm rem mag may do the job in open country. But maybe you want the 300 win mag for the 30 cal bullet for a little more for going through some brush. Depending on the round a 300 win mag 165 grain bull cost about 35 bucks a box and would do great for black or brown bear.
I used a .30.30 for Mule deer in Northern NV for years. But recently I decided I wanted a bolt action and I went with the .308. I like the low recoil and it's perfect for Southern White Tail deer.
.30-30 is nice for southern white tail for sure. Since getting into 6.5 grendel for areas in AL with the potential to go beyond 150, I dropped a red dot on a .30-30 and it’s light and fast targeting inside of 100.
In the state I hunt in, that wouldn’t be legal. I could go down to a .357 or .44 mag rifle and be just fine with every shot I’ve ever taken, but I’d have to get a new gun and a new caliber. With proper ammo selection, I could even run a .223 and be just fine, but even if I hunt with an AR, I run a different upper with a bigger caliber just as a bit more insurance.
@@MrRdvs87 The 30-30 with 170 grain soft point core-lokts, when sighted in 2 inches high at 100 yards (same as dead on at 150,) is point and shoot anywhere up to 180 yards or so. At 200, it's 4.6 inches low of POA, and it has just under a thousand ft lbs of energy. More modern loads (levkrultion etc) improve on that. The 30-30 is legit for whitetail out to 200.
Yep. You betcha. I'm going to get a .300 Win Mag for my wife who is 5'1" and weighs in at 105 lbs. Or maybe for my 12 yr. old son. I may step up at a later date, but for a small frame new hunter, .243, 7mm-08, or 7.62x39
7mm Rem Mag with 150 gr bullet (optimum weight for the caliber) will reach out and get the job done well. Load it with the Nosler Ballistic Tip and you won't be disappointed!
Good educational video. I'd add for the more experienced hunter that wants to take big game look at the 300 Weatherby Magnum. Shoots flat and has a muzzle velocity of over 3100 fps. Commercial loads can be found for about $40 and they usually are very reloadable for the future. They can later be necked down for the 6.5 300 if you want to go lighter for competition shooting. Enjoyed your video.
I’d like to know where you found 300 Wby for $40 . Last time I purchased them got anywhere near that was back in 1996. Now days you are looking at $60 plus’s depending on the bullet used. Even at $30/ box of 20 I started to reload them just as I did all my other calibers.
In my opinion (non-professional) the best all-around, if you are going to start with one gun, would be either the .270 or .30-06. For a small-statured individual (like my wife) I would recommend the .308 with a shorter barrel (my wife shoots the Ruger American Compact in .308). However, shooting a moose with the .308 would be pushing it (again, just my opinion). Nevertheless, a good, informative video, Sideburn Hunter!
I love all of those rounds, and own rifles in every caliber listed. I've always favored the 06, but I purchased a 7mm-08 for my son a few years ago. And, I must say, that joker is lethal. All of his kills have been one shot drop in their tracks kills. I highly recommend that round for deer hunting for new hunters.
The .270 is by far the best hunting cartridge for American game. I’ve hunted with my Remington 700 and killed many deer with it, just as my dad and grandpa did with the same gun. Great round, very flat shooting, and very powerful
Les Parkes i know. Everyones all a 6.5 creed is a joke, except with excellent ballistics, basiclly no recoil, and a 143gr hornady bullet i can take almost any animal with it cause youre gonna put that shot right on the money.
@@DryMan03 that's what it's all about, knowing your rifle, time at the range sure saves a lot of time tracking a gut shot animal. I have a hunting mate that uses a 243 on deer & pigs, always neck shots he is a crack shot, loves it
I have killed a lot of venison with 22 250 270 243 6mm 30 30!! It is important where you hit them maybe more then what you hit them with!!! And I forgot 6mm rem.
My list, for New Zealand would be .270, .308, 7mm08. For lighter framed or recoil sensitive people, .243. These calibers will take any large game in New Zealand. There are many more very good and reasonably common calibers- .303, 6.5x55, 7x57 etc. But if you were short on ammo and walk into virtually any Gunshop, the above calibers will be in stock and there will be enough of a variety of brands and loads at the bigger Gunshops that you're more likely to find something that shoots well in your rifle After all, we don't all reload (although I do.)
do not forget its for a new hunter . Most even older have no idea of the 2506 . If old jack had one along with the 280 rem. it would be a what 270 never heard of it . People want to be somewhat told what to buy . ha ha look at the 6.5 creed
Having lived a "reasonable" ammount of time, if i were to advise new comers to hunting,what i would suggest is the .308 ( my first rifle), in thompson center,then learn to reload, and buy barrels from .243 win through .338 hornady, coyotes to grizzleys out of the same brass.
Or just go with a regular .308 only. No newcomer should be hunting griz/browns. .308 will handle everything from yotes to elk (I consider moose a bit easier to kill than elk). Basically everything in North America other than brown bear. If you can afford a brown bear hunt, and have the abilities, you can afford a .338Win, .375 H&H, 416... or can probably find one to borrow if needed.
Can’t swamp the new people with too much. Remember they have to understand ballistics and wind and how to range. Small steps before reloading. I started with pistol and revolver ammo. Rifle is a new ball game.
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I agree with your selection, I’m 75 yrs. old and only hunt with a 59 yr. old Savage 110L rifle. I’ve only ever used 180 gr. Nosler partioned reloads for all my hunting since I purchased the rifle. I’ve killed a moose at 400 yds.(3 shots, 3 hits), caribou at 300 yds.(1 shot) and an elk at 568 yds. (2 shots 6” apart my best kill).
And if I had to narrow down from that selection, it'd be the 30-06. There are plenty of factory loads for everything from 125g up to 200g thumpers. And as stated, every standard bolt action rifle is chambered for the 30-06. The '06, a proven, versatile round!
I have hunted with the 30-06 for many years. I hand load and have had fun each time I load 110 grain plinksters to a high velocity and they will just turn to a little grey puff about 25 or 30 yards from the muzzle.
I am really glad you included in the line-up 300 WSM, it is a superior round to the 30-06 when both are shooting the same bullet weight, but the 30-06 has a deep place in my heart [7 rifles chambered].
Honestly, the .270 is THE CALIBER all the others are measured against. Some calibers shoot s bit faster while others a bit flatter but when it comes to hunting distances and putting meat on the table, the .270 is right in the middle of them all...
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Yes I realize that .270 is actually a .277 bullet diameter. That's what I had in my notes, but I didn't catch my error. Thanks
The .270 is derived from necked down .30-03 and the .30-06 is derived from a shortened .30-03.
@@nmende00 The 30-06 came from the 8x57JS, the US took 8x57 JS case increased the neck, then neck it down from .323-.308. That is why the 30-06 & the 8x57 JS have the same case head size.
@@VitoBb1978 There was an interim design called the .03-03 which had a 65mm long case and evolved to become the 30-06 and 270 win.
I like all of them but one the 6.5. I would replace with the faster and flatter shooting 25.06.
@@VitoBb1978 "The 30-06 came from the 8x57JS"
Actually Vito, it's based on the 7x57.
The military was so impressed with its performance during the Spanish-American war, that they started a program to develop a cartridge to replace the .30-40 then in service. Truth be told, the .30-40 is an amazing round and all they had to do was ditch the weak Krag rifles and standardize the '95 Winchester, which could handle the higher pressure version that the Army used for a short time.
Started more than 30 years ago with 30-06 and never looked back! The versatility in this calibre is just amazing. From small game to big antelope, including Eland!
Exactly
I agree. There are so many pros and very few cons. Especially if you reload.
I wouldn't say small game, I shot a squirrel with a 180 grain ballistic tip and it kind of exploded 😂😂
@@BadAssBassFishermen LOL did you expected otherwise ?
You can easily take most everything across the globe with that round. Especially with the diversity of the bullets today that are sent downrange. The only thing that I would use bigger calibers for are the big and/or dangerous game. IE...
Cape Buffalo, Elephant(the big five). And, if it was the very large aggressive bears. That's only because you don't want something running around angry after getting shot. That could be bad for your health...lol
I’ve had most of the magnums and all of these except 6.5. I just shoot 243 and 308 now as it really doesn’t matter, it’s more about shot placement. Great video 👍
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Shot placement so true, nowadays I use a 204 most would say way to small. Only if you can’t continuously hit a nickel at 100 yards, Then you better use something more like a 30-06, I don’t like wasting meat so only neck or head shots, with my 204 out to 150 yards
It’s all about shot placement
I live in Alaska and use nothing but a .308 for hunting I use it yearly for Moose and works great. Good bullet selection is key. I like the 168gr Trphy Grade and Balistic tip. I have even taken Grizzlies with 180gr. Best all around caliber easy and cheap to find good ammo for it. Great for beginners and experienced hunters. Don't forget accuracy in shot placement is also important 👌 😉
I just ordered my first real hunting rifle in 308 cause it can do everything in north America, cost less to shoot, and has so many options.
How does the .308 go against Grizzly bears or kodiak bears. Can you use the .308 for deer to the biggest bear?
@@GeneralGiffel 308 is underpowered for grizzly it is not recommended but that is JUST short of hurting a grizzly effectively so a 30-06 could be closer but i'd suggest starting at 300 win mag or higher if you want something for all north american game including grizzly there are small enough bullets for deer and big enough bullets for grizzly and bison the only downside is barrel life really, though to be fair a 308 WILL kill a grizzly it's just shot placement and bullet type i would be highly concerned about a close range encounter with a brown or grizzly bear it will not go down in one shot if you can't hit the head or sever the spine.
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Came across a 6.5 Swedish Rem 700 about 20 years ago. Already had a '96 Mauser in same chambering. Handloading anywhere between 100-160 grain loads it is very versatile. Accurate, flat shooting, low recoil. Pretty much retired the '06.
It’s .308 for me, but you can never go wrong with the 30-06.
Thank you master kenobi
Well you can but would haveto really work at it ! ;)
Yup, and it is quite common. Availability of ammo is a huge factor.
The .30-'06 is never a mistake.
Is 308 FMJ better or hollow
1. .260 especially if they want to continue using an AR platform
2. 7mm-08 again can be found in AR platforms if that is what you like
3. .308 again also can be found in AR platforms
4. 6.5 creedmoor
5. .280 more punch than the .270 and just as flat shooting with the same recoil based off the .30-06 basically a 7mm non magnum
Honorable Mention - .30-06, .270 and .257 Roberts...magnums are good and can cover anything in Northern America but recoil come with them
Dear God thank you for being there a 30-06 Springfield
AreaShooter, AMEN!!!!!
I'd want something less heavy. I don't like bullet drop, 270
You can say that again
7mm-08 is my choice for the new or experienced hunter. Actually it's one of the better deer cartridges.
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For a new hunter, take off the winmag, add in the .243 or 25-06
I agree man, just got to play with a friends 25-06 awhile back and it's an awesome round. To bad I dont reload because that round has potential
Take of the 243 for a new hunter as well for big game.
Indeed. I’d even say 30-06 at full strength is overkill for most lower 48 hunting and certainly not “beginner” caliber.
I've had experienced shooters complain about my .300 Win Mags hurting. Who in da fuq would give it to a beginner?
To light bro. 100 grn.
As a kid growing up
In Texas my uncle taught me to hunt deer...He used a 300 Savage...it was 👍 great and a Lot of Fun...
Very good unbiased explanation of every round. I like .308 win - 7.62 NATO. If a newcomer wants to research shooting rounds, your piece is a very good starting point.
I have a 30-06 Savage Model 111 I bought in 1975. It has never let me down.
Well this is just a fantastic video!
I JUST ran these numbers TODAY with Hornady's ballistic charts from 2019 and came to nearly an identical conclusion. In terms of cartridges that scale from deer to moose
I had found:
Light - .308 (honorable mention to 6.5PRC which has GOOD potential)
Medium - .270 or .30-06 (both perfect lower 48 cartridges)
Short Mag - .300rcm or .300wsm with a good brake (doesn't scale down to deer well...ft-lbs too high on the smallest grain ammo)
Std Mag - 7mm rem mag or .300 win mag with a good brake (enough for big bear but is still a nasty drop for white tail sized game)
Amazing how relevant the .30-06 and .270 are today for hunting EVERYTHING and even reaching 1000m shooting with ease.
Everything else is either too costly, too hard to find, kicks too much, too weak, or crap barrel life.
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Other hunters have said, "There is no replacement for shot placement."
Yes, I was taught to never take a shot unless I could tell someone just where I would hit the animal before I shot.
Yes but not every shot will be perfect, you will mess up. Thats why people dont use 22s for deer. I do agree that shot placement is very important though but u will mess up at some point
Accuracy is everything. Hit the nail right on the head.
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I use 22 for whitetail. Well, 5.56 in my AR.
Many I know do. But we are all very proficient in accuracy.
@@ageckomiller yes but, you cant tell me that after more than 10 years of hunting that you have never made a bad shot.
Good clip! I'm not a new shooter or hunter. I grab my 30-06 and 308 all day every day for anything hog / white tail and up! Note, I have never been out for Elk or Moose. I would add 243, 22-250, (30-30 and 7.62x39 for sub 200 yards) and game up to white tail.
G'day, The 308, 30-06,and 300 Win Mag, Should be classed close to each other since they generally shoot the same projectile. Each step is just a bit more speed
I selected a .308 rifle for a few reasons. 1. readily available in factory loads of every type you can imagine including lead free for Ca. hunting to cheap milsurp (7.62x51). 2. short action means shorter gun, and shorter motion for bolt or lever (BLR). Dies, brass and bullets super easy to get for reloading. 4. Same bullets as another gun I have in 30 caliber. 5. Respectable for any North American game.
Oh nice, an other caliber discussion! 😁
So, here I am (sorted by size). 😎
1: .243 Win.
2: .25-06 Rem.
3: .6,5 × 55 SE // .260 Rem. // .6.5 Creedmore (use the same bullets)
4: .270 Win.
5: .7mm-08 // .7 × 57 mm // .7 × 64 mm (use the same bullets)
6: .308 Win.
And if Bud Spencer is the new hunter, than
7: a .30-06 Sprg. in his left and
8: a .458 Win. Mag. in his right hand. 😁
My personal recommendation for new hunters would be hand loaded (to get the best out of it) cartridges in .7mm-08
with a shorter (22" or 24") and the .7 × 64 mm for a longer (26") barrel.
But basically, the choice of the appropriate caliber depends on several factors:
- where do I live and which calibres are prohibited or allowed there
- which game do I want to hunt
- where do I want to hunt (forest, open terrain, mountains...)
- which ammunition is regionally available
- what is my stature and physique and how do I cope with the weight and recoil of the rifle or its caliber
and many other things - and therefore also could be recommended a .30-06 Sprg. or even bigger for a new hunter if it is personally suitable.
Several factors indeed. Stature does matter.
Love my browning bar 25/06 now,and have killed 7 nice elk with it to now.using 100 grain soft point ammo!!!!!
243 is all thats needed for dear.
Great video, all good caliber choices for anyone really. Your voice is very relaxing to listen to
Thanks for being realistic about the game limits for 6.5CR, so many people exaggerate its effectiveness in large game, which means a lot of injured animals out there.
Of all those, my personal favorite is the .308 Winchester. It's good out to 300 yards, but the recoil is not as bad as the .300 Winchester Mag can be. Ammo cost/availability was another big factor in the .308 being one of my favorites. I've been able in the past (pre-shortage days) to find mil surplus 7.62x51 NATO stuff for really cheap, allowing for more range time just to keep the basic skills up.
I chose 308 for my first real hunting rifle. It can do everything I would ever want to do and cost a lot less to shoot than almost any centerfire rifle. I'm excited about getting into hand loading to have several rounds for different game and terrain. Cheers
All in all I will take the
30 06
A very good selection.
.30-'06 is unmatched for versatility as a rifle cartridge, especially to the handloader.
@brian bowes You can take a single pellet of no. 0 buckshot sized to. 309 and seat it over 2.5 grains of bullseye with a kapock filler for squirrels and rabbits, and although not legal the 240 grain Woodleigh, driven at 2300 fps at the muzzle will cleanly take elephants with head shots.
@brian bowes It doesn't take much. Just enough to sort of make a wad to keep the powder close to the flash hole. You do have to be careful not to knock the ammo around and to keep it upright so you don't dislodge it.
@brian bowes Can't disagree with anything you're saying, but the only reason I'd buy a 30-06 is if I could only have one rifle. Otherwise, there is a better round for pretty much everything in North America.
7mm rem mag is easier on the shoulder and less expensive than the .300 win mag, which is in no way a cartridge for beginners. how about 7mm-08, 260 rem, 280 rem, and 25-06.
.340 Weatherby.... in a lightweight rifle ....with no muzzle brake! :)
I totally agree. Not many people can handle a 300 win mag, the recoil is simply too much. The 7MM is way better than the 30-06 for distance shooting and just a little heavier.
Good luck finding most of those.
I have shot the same 7mm mag for over 30 years. Still my go to gun.
@@stevendonnalammar4422 reloading has never been an issue for me.
30-30 is, and has always been, a great deer cartridge and a modest recoil makes it a great beginner cartridge too.
I don’t understand how the 300mag made a beginner list, but the 30-30, 243, 25-06 , 7mm 08…so many were left out.
If you’re introducing a kid or your wife to hunting, handing them a 06 or 300mag is not the way to do it, in my opinion.
270 and down I would say would be much better.
Agreed. Some hunters just want to hunt in the backyard and not collect every gun on earth.
25-06 is almost forgotten today...prairie dogs to yes...elk! Not fur friendly. Will make a canoe out of a fur bearing predator. Recoil tolerable. Powder pig it's loud. Legal for elk. In most states. Mine has killed numerous elk. With an 87 gr. PSP. It's accurate. A 220 Swift humanely kills big game animals on account of it's accuracy. But not legal in some states. The Swift and the 25 as well as the 7 mm Rem. Mag have been my go to's...the 7 is tolerable with 145 gr. Speer PSP...and it too is...bad ass!
@@curlyyoder I had a teacher a lifetime ago who had a chance to hunt moose in Alaska. His choice of rifle? 25-06. One shot to the neck and he bagged his moose. Some would question or argue the choice and the shot placement, but the results speak for themselves.
He knew his rifle and his capabilities, something that far outweighs caliber.
I think the 30.06, the .270 and the .308 are the cartridges that are most likely to be inherited since they have been around a long time. I could totally see the 30-30 on this list as well.
@@JamesgnuoY1 and 243…
Good video. Honest, practical, offering options for most all levels of hunting. Your choices were very good but a few others could be included like the 243 and 7mm-08.
I’m surprised the .243 wasn’t in this.
Realistically, ALL of those are capable of taking moose at 300 yds so long as you choose a projectile that's capable of doing the job. In the world of high power rifles, 300 yards is relatively close range. If the rifle is capable of doing the job at 100 yds, its also capable at 300 yds. Beyond 300 yds velocity is starting to drop quickly, and so does the trajectory. For 300 yds and under, the 300 win mag has no advantage over the 308 unless you consider more recoil to be an advantage. In fact, I would strongly recommend against the 300 win mag for someone who hasn't learned to deal with heavy recoil.
That's why he said "For beginner" hunters. If you pick up a 300 WIN MAG, pretty much any factory cartridge is ready to bag moose. Avid hunters can handload even 243 to take moose. Ethically
Your write very important point about bullet choice….
@@evanburdick8503 Actually, no. A beginner can't normally hit an animal at 300 yds period. Most beginners have a hard time making an acceptable shot on live game at 100 yds. Put a 300 win mag in their hands to start off with and they will quickly develop a flinch so bad that they'll never be able to make a shot past 75 yds or so. 308 isn't a pip squeak in the recoil department, so this is still an issue, but not nearly as bad as with the 300 win mag.
@@nospam3409 With a solid piece of glass (Anywhere between 12-20 power), you have to try to miss with a 300WM at 300yrds. The drop is only like 5". For hunting big game, 180gr is go to, so unless its super windy out in the fields, you dont usually have to worry about windage either. Mind you, I'm referring to big game hunting at longer range. So usually prone with a rifle rest. Shooting offhand is a talent I'd only let intermediate and advanced hunters try at 300yrds
@@evanburdick8503 That's not really my point. I've been rather successful at NRA Highpower, Collegiate small bore, 3D Archery, and some local bowling pin matches. I've taken plenty of prairie dog pups at 150 to 200 yds from a standing position, and 400 yds is a gimme shot from prone. I run a 6.5 Grendel upper for deer and it wears a 4.5-27x50 optic with a FFP Christmas tree reticle. My farthest kill so far with it is a prairiedog at 600 yds. I'm pretty confident that know what it takes to hit game animals at 300 yds. The issue isn't the rifle, cartridge, or the glass. The issue is the clown behind the trigger. Some people, like you and I, are born with an inherent level of focus, perception to detail, and high level of individual muscle control and we learn to shoot extremely well extremely quickly. That's not the case for the vast majority of people, hunters or not. For most people, if you start them off with anything that generates an appreciable amount of recoil (ie more than a 223 bolt gun), they will develop a flinch that takes a significant a.out of dedicated and structured training to overcome. A 300 win mag certainly falls in that category. Heck, so does the 308 for that matter. Unfortunately, regardless of caliber, cartridge, rifle, or glass, most beginners struggle to make good hits at 100 yds. Once someone has learned decent trigger control, how to manage a little recoil, and how to shoot from a few different field positions, then I'd say your assessment of the 300 is spot on. 👌
For a "new" hunter you cannot beat a 243 or 7-08
243 only good for Antelope and smaller game. 7mm 08 great round.
@@blaynemacpherson8519 243 will take down anything up to mule deer with no problem
Denny Davis Maybe in the lower 48. Nothing but known as a coyote killer up here.
243 is the perfect deer rifle out to 200 yards. If you can't kill with a 243 you shouldn't be deer hunting.
Ed Williams If one are shooting the tiny deer in Texas or New Mexico or Arizona and the deer weight in at 200 on the hoof. Yes the 243 is a good caliber BUT for an overall perfect deer gun far far far from it. When deer are weighting at 350-500 lbs. there are much more effective rounds. At those sizes they absorb the bullet when shot in the boiler room and walk/run away with no blood trail sometimes most times where I’m from they are not seen against. So saying that where I’m from the 243 is not a recommended deer caliber. I will never recommend the 243 as a deer caliber. There are so many more better rounds for youth ladies and first time hunters then the 243.
I bought a 270 over 20 years ago. It was recommended to me by three different gun shops in the western South Dakota/ eastern Wyoming area. It was the answer to the “I can only afford one gun for the lower 48 what caliber do I get question.” I still think it was the perfect buy.
Absolutamente, para mí es el mejor cartucho que puedo permitirme, esperé 12 años por un 25/06, sin embargo, nada que envidiar a mi 270
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Nice video. Something to add: some of those bigger calibers can kick like hell in some rifles. I definitely wouldn’t recommend a 300 win mag on most platforms. On a good heavy rifle absolutely. Again great video man. Smooth and easy on the ears. Enjoyed it a lot.
.308 #1 based on variety and cost of cartridges. Everything from milspec to match.
I would add 25-06 because it’s light kicking but powerful and comparable to the 6.5 and 270
I’m really happy to see that Mario retired to the country side and spends his time doing some shooting and hunting.
You present a good, logical point of view. Thank you. I've hunted on 3 continents over 40 years. I'm not a professional, don't work for any gun or ammunition manufacturer. As far as center fire rifles for North America, I have three, depending on where in North America. For the thick swamps of the southeast, where ranges are from 25 to 100 yards, the .35 Rem. For everywhere else except for elk, moose and the big bears west of the Rocky Mountains, a 25-06. For west of the Rocky Mountains and the elk, moose and big bears there, the .300 WinMag. Just my opinion.
Although a dead caliber, all in this family have first deer hunt with 300savage. Little recoil for young hunters gives great confidence!
I have 2 of the .300 Savages... inherited them both... and never shoot them..... only because I started with a .308 essentially the same cartridge.... I run my surplus .308 brass through my .300 Savage dies and trim to make .300 Savage ammo. I also use the surplus .308 and neck down for my .243
All in all I would agree with this video.... as with a number of the comments.... the .300 wing may be a bit much for new shooters.... however both my son and his friend (new hunters) have used it.... and liked it.
I agree with your recommendations. Appreciate you including the 300 WSM. Should have included the 270 WSM.
my go to deer gun is the 7mm-08, second is the 243, and both are great for coyotes too.
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I started moose hunting with a group a few years ago. We are always successful and usually harvest 2 a season - it is split between 4 families. I use my 308 win up to 300 yards and my 300 win mag up to 600 yards. I have never wounded and lost an animal. I reload 165/168gr in the 308 and 180gr in the magnum. Stay safe and happy shooting.
I inherited a 30-06 and a 12 ga. from my grandfather after he passed away. He was a veteran. I moved away from my family and left the firearms with them. One day my family informed me that they were stolen. It broke my heart because it had sentimental value. I know it’s just a material object but I wanted to pass it on to my kids. 😢
Did you write down serial numbers?
@@Gingerjoe27 unfortunately I did not. I never thought I needed to. I never thought they would have been stolen. My situation is a live and learn lesson I guess. 😞
not sure how I ended up here tbh but god damn this is relaxing
All time fav is the 7mm mag best round in my books tons of power and least amount of drop at long distances
Not to mention far more "shootable" than the .300
@@mikeford963 7mm mag can get pretty stout especially if your shooting prone with a practical weight hunting rifle but definitely easier then 300
@@dakkadakka9189 I have an older Ruger M77. With hand loads, it's about the same as a 30-06
@@mikeford963 in 7 mag? Nice what are you running for bullets ?
@@dakkadakka9189 175grn ELD-x. With 58.5/58.6grns of IMR Enduron 4955.
Started with my pops sporterized mauser 98 in 30-06 and an old Leopold scope. Still my favorite gun.
Ty for the review. Canadian hunter here and I can assure you that within 250-300M (which is plenty for real life woodland hunting btw) the mosse will drop cleanly to a 308 shot. What I mean is wihtin this distance, the 308 as plenty power to drop the game and it's down to the shooter and conditions on the ground at the moment. (and yeah, shoot your rifle a couple time a year, a box or two at a time).
300 win Mag a bit much for new hunter unless experienced shooter.
@Dude Lebowski you don't need a 300 win mag get a 7/08 and hand load less recoil and better performing then 308
@@dakkadakka9189 Depends on what you're hunting. Hard to beat a 7mm-08 for deer, but I wouldn't hunt larger game with it. A 308 loaded hot with a large bonded or solid bullet can provide a little more use if you're hunting more than deer.
@@greymooose1000 with real hunting bullet like tsx or gmx id have no problem at any reasonable range using my dad's 7/08 on moose though if you want a real thumper.friend had an old remington in 35 whelen
@@dakkadakka9189 Never though of getting GMX's for it. I may have to try that for my wife, as she now hunts with my old 7mm-08. And yeah, I wish my 35 Whelen was a bolt action, rather than single shot, because then I'd use it for moose and bear over my 300wsm.
@@greymooose1000 ya I have heard really good reports on gmx from friends that hunt with em but I'm getting 3/4 inch groups or less out to 200 yards and are with in a half inch of my vmaxs with the same zero so I don't wanna try any thing else especially not after seeing what that little bullet does on impact , 35 whelen is a great caliber heavy bullet and great velocities, my friends is a remington 700 in 35 whelen with irons and a 2-7x33 luepold he's getting 2650 with 250 grainers and handloads
My favorite deer or elk , especially brush gun and at the ready is Winchester 30-30 model 1894 ..that lever action compact classic is such a great gun .
I like the good old 270 it’s reliable flat shooting not to much recoil accurate and great knock down power
It's one of the worst rounds available, but put it in the right place, and it does fantastic!
Jeaux Burreaux what do you mean “worst round available “ it’s a great round
@@jumpy5064 I would say that it does ok when using the correct bullet weight and good shot placement. Its popularity is based on timing and marketing, rather than performance.
Due to the twist rate of the 270, it cannot fire heavier bullets and maintain stability, giving it one of the worst sectional densities on the market (lowest penetration capability per bullet weight)
It also has one of the worst ballistic coefficients among hunting rifle cartridges, meaning it is one of the worst in air/wind resistance, so it is inefficient at long range per its powder charge.
Also, with any 30-06 parent casing, it's not particularly well suited for ladies and youth like a 308 parent casing OR long distance use as seen in magnum casings.
It does ok, but anyone serious about performance wouldn't touch one.
@@greymooose1000 I have killed many white tail deer with my 270 from 25 to 250 yards, and it's always preformed very well. It has been around for a long time, and is very popular, that speaks volumes.
@@CARLPHILLY Look, it's not a ball and cap musket. It's a well made, high powered rifle that has a great selection of bullets for deer. But, when compared to others, it does not perform quite as well and it's limited in terms of flexibility in its casing class.
I learned to shoot with a 7mm rm...ruger m77 Mark 2 so never understood the recoil issue. Also have a 30-06 and 243.(disclaimer all my guns have suppressors) Ive also shot with 308, 223, 300wm, 25-06 and 375. Shot everything from impala, springbok to eland with the 7mm. My only complaint with the 7 is that I need to do neck or head shots for smaller game due to the relatively more extreme meat damage. For long walks where the game has large variety and the bush is thick I found my friends 308 is amazing. Its shorter and lighter. Meat damage is not bad. For long open plains the 7mms reach is an advantage. Also note the 7mm is more forgiving when shot placement is bad. I've put down wildebeest with poor shots. Last month I made a poor decision by taking a 350meter shot at an Oryx at sunset with my 30-06 (only wounding the animal). I then had to track the animal in patial darkness. My 7mm would have taken the Oryx easily at that distance. It was too dangerous to continue tracking when it got dark, so the next morning I tracked the animal and put it to rest with the 7mm.
I’m a new hunter. But hanging around experienced hunters I’m a fan of 30 caliber bullets so I’m all in for a 308.
30 cal is .308
I would add the .243 Win. It is low priced like the .308 and .30-06, may be more easy to find ammo, and is low recoil for new/younger shooters. My oldest son shot his first coyote a 9 years old and first deer the following year with a .243 Win.
Do you hand load ? If so try loading up Barnes tsx great bullet , I have a 24 inch barreled 243 with 85 grain tsx load worked up doing 3150 at the muzzle ( am over max charge but we worked it up slowly and no pressure signs plus still getting 6 loadings out of hornady brass) taken white tail and bigger mule deer, 115 yards on a 130 pound white tail bullet went clean through In between the ribs entrance and exit wound top qaurter inch of the heart and both lungs bullet turned lungs and heart to consistency of unset jello and just about seperated the lungs at impact, deer was dead befor it hit the ground
@@dakkadakka9189 Yes, we reload. We tend toward Nosler bullets and have good luck with them. We use the 95 gr Ballistic tip for deer and the 55 gr Ballistic tip for everything else. We shoot them out of a Rem 788 and a DPMS LR-243.
@@CPUDOCTHE1 nice I have my tsx for hunting and use 87 vmax for just shooting as the Barnes are twice the price , luckily for me velocity are really close and my tsx hits just a half inch higher then my vmax at 100 yards with it zeroed for the vmax so I don't have to change zero, how's the dpms treated ya ?
Don't forget the humble 6.5x55 Swede. It's an old cartridge but is still used today and is the father of the Creedmoor. It cost less than 308, shoots flat, and penetrates deep. Commonly used to take elk.
They are ALL great rounds.
I DO believe the 25-06 is left out in the cold. It is a great round a pairs nicely with the 30-06.
I do not own a 7mm-08 or a .243, but love the numbers and the stories.
The 22-250 cannot be ignored for it's extreme velocity and penetration.
I LOVE the 270 and 7mm Rem Mag.
The .308 is the least expensive (For me) and all over the place. Can't swing a dead cat without hitting a box!
The 6.5 is the new kid and has a great following.
300 Win Mag is VERY Nice!
But to be honest, If I HAD to pick one,...It would be the most versatile,...The 30-06.
30-06
I have a 243 and it has never let me down, I'm hoping to try a 7mm-08 this coming season. I usually hunt where I won't be making more than a 150 yard shot so I expect the 7mm-08 to knock them out of their socks.
The same thing happens to me as I live in a shitty country... it's called Argentina... 308 brass is scarce, expensive, and even of poor quality. I have obtained from cheap and even free l brass of 270 and 06/30. I no longer have magnums because I can't afford them, but if today I would have to suggest 3 rifles, it would be 223 (to use it unnoticed with a 221 fireball, 243 and 270 load.
However, I have a specialized 22/270 rifle that is taking away the use of my 270 which has been stored in my gun rack.
I like the 30-06 Springfield and the 300 Win mag
Although a bit shy on the details, this was a good presentation for new hunters. Well done.
30 06 is all you need been knocking em dead for over 100 yrs most proven round and huge bullet weight selection
Big-7 is awesome, especially if you load your own ammo.
160-grain for mule deer, elk, moose and bear.
Should have put the 7mm-08 on that list.
Especially great for young hunters.
No it is good for mooae
@@kadenhoff6814 neither is 6.5 creed
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@@kadenhoff6814 it’s fine for moose. I live in a high population moose area. People around here drop moose with 30-30’s. 7mm-08 I think is probably the best option for having one gun to shoot anything from rabbits to bears.
Nice explanation! Thank you!
One of the most popular moose rounds in Finland is the .308. Definitely pulls its weight up in that class also. It's a fantastic allrounder for any hunter out there.
For a new guy who wants an all-rounder that will handle any big game without the flinch-inducing recoil; I'd suggest either the 7mm-08 (or 7x57 if you prefer to shoot a real classic) and the .308 Win.
People keep forgetting that in most cases .308 is within 100 FPS of .30-06. It has a little more oomph but not much. .308 will take a moose. I know ppl who use it to do that.
Is that a .308?
I used to shoot 30-06 for hunting until I shot a friends 308 . That was about 30 years ago and still stuck with the 308 .
@@cbwelch4 Only in factory loads. If you hand load, the 30-06 starts to pull ahead. -06 can also handle the 200+ gr bullets. You can download a 30-06 to be a .308, but a .308 can’t do the few things 30-06 can.
@@cbwelch4 Actually it is about 200 feet per second, but you are close enough.
Up to a certain point it doesn't matter what cartridge you use. Bullet placement is the key to everything.
The best hunting cartridge is one that you can shoot accurately, comfortably, that you have confidence in an that can cleanly an efficiently kill the game you are hunting
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I shoot a 30-06 and a 6.5 creedmoor. Both of them are tack drivers and deer slayers. I only use the Hornanday Interlock bullet in them. The 30-06 is my favorite but I like the 6.5 creedmoor too especially for longer shots. It's a little bit like going fishing with a micro fishing rod, its fun to tag those deer who are a couple hundred yards away with it
A lot of people in my area use a 308, 30-06 and 270 wsm are my hunting rifles
brian bowes yea if you shoot alot, i may fire 5 shots a year or less
308, 7mm08, 7x57 thats the sweet spot, easy to shoot, low recoil and enough power to shot most of the game from fox to moose.
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AGREED, plain & simple with ALL the cartridge choices. The ONLY aspect I might differ on is their use for “new” hunters. Seasoned hunters choose THESE rounds EVERY general rifle season when hunting medium/big game all across N. America. My favorite has been my Winchester Featherweight .270 Win. for a long time. This year actually I changed it up a bit and hunted with my M1A/.308 Win. A fantastic platform to be sure...
Thank you. Keep it simple folks. What ammo can you buy at the local hardware store...
The Sideburn Hunter..again I’ll agree. I’ve never been one to follow “trends” or ‘new’ latest and greatest anything really. Hybrid or ‘wildcat’ bullets have NEVER been an interest whatsoever. Cartridges & loads tried & proven that have been around since WWI & II, with the exception of the ‘AR’ platform were and are my main interests. The ‘newer’ cartridges for the AR for me would be the .300 BLK & the 6.8 SPC (LWRCI- specific). Reloading for 9mm, 40 S&W, 38 SPL/357 and .223/5.56 to the 308 Win..if I ONLY concentrated on these specific loads, I’d be happy. That doesn’t mean there aren’t GREAT NEW ones out there either. The .224 Valkyrie and the here-to-stay 6.5 CM is a fantastic flat-shooting 1,000+ yard round
25-06 before 6.5 Creedmore.
I bought my .270 in 1974, based on all the Outdoor Life articles I read by Jack O'Connor, and assuming that I might graduate from deer to elk some day. That never happened, alas. If I knew I wouldn't hunt anything larger than deer, I'd go with 25-06.
If you were ever able to hunt your elk you would be very happy with your .270.
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You know this is a really good video. Just enough of the right information. Great job
.300 Win Mag for a new hunter? Scope bite+3or4 stitches=former new hunter! [Laffin'😁]
Any bolt action rifle chambered in 243 Win is an excellent round up to mule deer sized game. Beyond that, the .30 06 and the .308 are more than ample. I've been hunting deer and antelope for over fifty years. I still cringe a bit before touching off my .300 Win Mag, pushing 180 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips, when sighting it in. Funny thing though, when it's thrown down on a huge Wyoming 4x4 muley, I never even hear the gun go off! Guns N Basses Forever! 🔫🎸
Proper eye relief no problem
@@jeffscuderi8662
Actually, the problem is that often times many shooters don't know that they don't have the requisite amount of eye relief, until they pull the trigger...especially newbs, but not exclusively. Seen a lot of old timers get kicked in the face with a scoped 30.06, 7Mag, you name it. Give 'em a 300 Win Mag and let 'em have at it. Then when he's bleeding like a stuck pig, explain eye relief to him...[laffin'😁]
@@bustabass9025 mine has a 6x42 Leupold and it has about 4.5in eye relief so it's perfect
@@jeffscuderi8662
👍...then you're good to go!
Should never see you in the
Redi-Care getting your nose stitched back together. Happened to my buddy, on a Wyoming hunting trip, and believe me, it's not a pretty sight.
I’m surprised the 30-30 wasn’t mentioned. Lever guns are great and that’s what I started on. Reliable, simple, easy guns. Accurate, effective for deer, moderate recoil, 30-30.
-Grant
Also no 7mm
yes i have one
love them awesome guns
Doesn have the distant
Pretty inaccurate for today‘s standards and not very versatile
@s d you just described it as being good at woodland distances which is the only thing it is good at. That’s not versatile. They‘re also inaccurate compared to pretty much any new production bolt action. I‘m not trying to bash 30-30s but there definitely are factors that would be flawed for a new shooter.
All that you have chosen are wonderful calibers and there are many others to choose from also. At this stage of life I would suggest a caliber in which ammunition is available and probably will be in the future. .308 would probably be a good one and the .308 is one of the most accurate firearms out there.
I would advise a beginning hunter to limit yourself to deer, 100 yards and use a .243 or a 30/30. Make the first harvest a pleasant experience.
the old 30-30 is still probably in the top 5 around here for deer.I have killed more deer with mine than anything I own,and I also have a 25-06 and 280.The light recoil of the 30-30 will keep more folks shooting.
@@pallmall5495 practice more then anything then bullet selection after that , 243 and 3030 are very enjoyable to shoot I have alot of trigger time behind my 243 and working on it with my new to me 30 30, hand load for both now my 87 grain vmaxs are fun and cheap for coyotes but would never think about using that for deer, my 85 grain Barnes are excellent for hunting very good performance best part is for me my handloads are pretty similar both just over max charge (no pressure signs) and my Barnes hit just a 1/2 inch high at 100 yards of my vmaxs so I don't have to re zero for hunting.
@@dakkadakka9189 I love a 243 myself.One gun I kick myself for selling was a Savage Model 99 in 243.Here, most shots on deer are less than 100 yards,considerably less I would say.My old 30-30 brought down many in that range.Then I had my uncle start handloading me some spitzer bullets for the 30-30.It turned it into a 2 shooter to be safe,but it brought the trajectory very close to a 243.That flatter shooting also brought about some misses as I was used to holding high.But those were my early,and much more fun days of hunting and shooting.Before you had to have a $2000 rifle just to even have a chance at killing a deer lol.Happy shooting my friend,and be safe out there.
@@pallmall5495 nice those 99s are beautiful rifles, certainly love the modern powders still run flat nose 150s in the 3030 but I push em with a fairly warm load of leverevelution powder (1 grain below max charge) getting 2600 fps at the muzzle out a 20 inch 1894
@brian bowes oh yeah any deer I've shot with those Barnes have dropped right where they were may be 1 step at most, tsx does some pretty nasty things to what it hits . Last deer I shot I got absolutely text book shot went in between the ribs both entrance and exit (pure luck for splitting the ribs ) hit top of the heart and both lungs bullet went straight through dressed em out and lungs and heart were like really runny hello almost a liquid also just about ripped the lungs in half where it hit , friend who's been hunting for years and my dad were both suprised at just how much that bullet did.
The 30-06 reigns supreme.
300 yds I’m taking .308. Over 300 I’m taking my Remington 700 chambered in .270. If I can only pick one all around probably take the 30-06
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As a few others have mentioned, I would steer clear of the 300wm and the 30-06 if you are a new shooter simply because of the recoil. I would add the 7mm-08 to this list as it is flatter shooting than the 308 and with proper shot placement, it is capable of taking elk sized game
Good post! The .270 will take any game in North America. The .308 will take on all comers too. My brother shoots exclusively with the .30'06 because he procured 2,500 round nose 200 grain Spitzer soft point bullets at an garage sale for a few bucks. He uses a Lee Loader and ordinary old school IMR. His loads kick like a battery mule but are good enough at 300 meters. I use a Lee Loader too, but for .270 and .308. Face it, you are only going to get one shot an with his '06 I shot an antelope at 200 meters and he fell over dead and never suffered. I am a simple person and really see no need for all these new rounds? In the case of rifles newest is not always best, for me anyway.
I love the .308 and the 7mm-08 as well.
I especially like the 7mm-08
You didn't mention the .243 Winchester, a lot of Mule deer sucumb to it every year. Also, I feel the 7MM rem mag is a lot better for deer and antelope than the 300 winchester Mag. Its recoil is almost the same as the 30-06 and shoots much flatter. It also can be used for Elk and Moose. My personal favorite is the .270 Remington with 110 grain Barnes TSX bullets for antelope and Muleys and 130 grain TSX for Elk and Moose. My Moose was dead when the 130 gr. TSX hit his heart and then it continued through the off side shoulder and exited the hide on that side. He dropped where he stood on the bank of the pond he had just exited. I guess old Jack O'Conner knew what he was talking about. What ever you do, don't follow his advice as a 130 grain silvertip on top of 64 grains of 4831 (it would have been H4831 as IMR 4831 wasn't invented yet) powder will surely cause a problem.
I went hunting in the Czech Republic in the 90s with a Ruger No. 1 with Mannlicher stock and 20" barrel and caliber 7x57mm. I shot a roe buck there at 180 m. 7x57 is a good hunting cartridge. I also had a pre-war Mauser in 7x57 (1937) and an FN Mauser in 9.3x62 caliber. I am a German from Franconia and now live in Thailand.
Very nice video but if there was one round that could be swapped out for a different round i would probably suggest the 300 win mag. The 300 win mag is an excellent cartridge, but a new shooter my not like the heavier recoil that it has to offer. The round that should replace it in my opinion would be the 243 Winchester. The 243 has less recoil, but a very good round for hunting everything up to deer for a new hunter.
ryan rogers well sir if you are looking for a round that may fit those need look no further to a few round. Depending on if there is brush or it’s a clean shot a 7mm rem mag may do the job in open country. But maybe you want the 300 win mag for the 30 cal bullet for a little more for going through some brush. Depending on the round a 300 win mag 165 grain bull cost about 35 bucks a box and would do great for black or brown bear.
ryan rogers Yes no problem happy I was able to help! Good luck on your hunt!
I used a .30.30 for Mule deer in Northern NV for years. But recently I decided I wanted a bolt action and I went with the .308. I like the low recoil and it's perfect for Southern White Tail deer.
.30-30 is nice for southern white tail for sure. Since getting into 6.5 grendel for areas in AL with the potential to go beyond 150, I dropped a red dot on a .30-30 and it’s light and fast targeting inside of 100.
A pellet gun is enough for southern deer lol I'm not poking fun, it's just a fact. But, they are cagy as hell!!
In the state I hunt in, that wouldn’t be legal. I could go down to a .357 or .44 mag rifle and be just fine with every shot I’ve ever taken, but I’d have to get a new gun and a new caliber. With proper ammo selection, I could even run a .223 and be just fine, but even if I hunt with an AR, I run a different upper with a bigger caliber just as a bit more insurance.
@@MrRdvs87 The 30-30 with 170 grain soft point core-lokts, when sighted in 2 inches high at 100 yards (same as dead on at 150,) is point and shoot anywhere up to 180 yards or so. At 200, it's 4.6 inches low of POA, and it has just under a thousand ft lbs of energy. More modern loads (levkrultion etc) improve on that. The 30-30 is legit for whitetail out to 200.
I seldom have any shots much more than 70 yards, but am aware that if I had to, I could stretch a .30-30 out to 150-200.
Yep. You betcha. I'm going to get a .300 Win Mag for my wife who is 5'1" and weighs in at 105 lbs. Or maybe for my 12 yr. old son. I may step up at a later date, but for a small frame new hunter, .243, 7mm-08, or 7.62x39
The 7mm Rem Mag is a good all around round. It give a good kinectic energy and good range. The advantage over the 300 win mag would be "less recoil".
Less recoil and slightly flatter trajectory.
Which should be a huge consideration on a list like this. 7 Mag is still too much IMO, good for someone's 2nd or 3rd centerfire.
7mm Rem Mag with 150 gr bullet (optimum weight for the caliber) will reach out and get the job done well. Load it with the Nosler Ballistic Tip and you won't be disappointed!
Good educational video. I'd add for the more experienced hunter that wants to take big game look at the 300 Weatherby Magnum. Shoots flat and has a muzzle velocity of over 3100 fps. Commercial loads can be found for about $40 and they usually are very reloadable for the future. They can later be necked down for the 6.5 300 if you want to go lighter for competition shooting. Enjoyed your video.
I’d like to know where you found 300 Wby for $40 . Last time I purchased them got anywhere near that was back in 1996. Now days you are looking at $60 plus’s depending on the bullet used. Even at $30/ box of 20 I started to reload them just as I did all my other calibers.
In my opinion (non-professional) the best all-around, if you are going to start with one gun, would be either the .270 or .30-06. For a small-statured individual (like my wife) I would recommend the .308 with a shorter barrel (my wife shoots the Ruger American Compact in .308). However, shooting a moose with the .308 would be pushing it (again, just my opinion). Nevertheless, a good, informative video, Sideburn Hunter!
I love all of those rounds, and own rifles in every caliber listed. I've always favored the 06, but I purchased a 7mm-08 for my son a few years ago. And, I must say, that joker is lethal. All of his kills have been one shot drop in their tracks kills. I highly recommend that round for deer hunting for new hunters.
I 100% agree with you I love my 7mm-08 Tikka.
I would say for all hunters.
The .270 is by far the best hunting cartridge for American game. I’ve hunted with my Remington 700 and killed many deer with it, just as my dad and grandpa did with the same gun. Great round, very flat shooting, and very powerful
Colby774 Wrong . 7mm Rem Mag and 7mm Wby Mag are the best.
Jim Truscott screw you and the metric system
I to carry rem .270 hard to do anything better
I live in NZ & use 130gr in my Tika 270 Win. Have taken big red stags, never needed follow up shot. It's where you hit the animal, not the calibre.
Les Parkes i know. Everyones all a 6.5 creed is a joke, except with excellent ballistics, basiclly no recoil, and a 143gr hornady bullet i can take almost any animal with it cause youre gonna put that shot right on the money.
@@DryMan03 that's what it's all about, knowing your rifle, time at the range sure saves a lot of time tracking a gut shot animal. I have a hunting mate that uses a 243 on deer & pigs, always neck shots he is a crack shot, loves it
I have killed a lot of venison with 22 250 270 243 6mm 30 30!! It is important where you hit them maybe more then what you hit them with!!! And I forgot 6mm rem.
Log Splitta true. I always laugh of penetration test videos comparing different calibers, when bullet design/composition is the biggest factor
Awesome video boss.
I agree with you 100%.
But I also like to throw in the 7.5×55 Swiss & the 7mm-08 & 7mm rem mag
My list, for New Zealand would be .270, .308, 7mm08.
For lighter framed or recoil sensitive people, .243.
These calibers will take any large game in New Zealand.
There are many more very good and reasonably common calibers- .303, 6.5x55, 7x57 etc. But if you were short on ammo and walk into virtually any Gunshop, the above calibers will be in stock and there will be enough of a variety of brands and loads at the bigger Gunshops that you're more likely to find something that shoots well in your rifle
After all, we don't all reload (although I do.)
👍🏽 I’d go with a 25-06 for a first time shooter/hunter... the round kicks like .243 buts hits like a .270
do not forget its for a new hunter . Most even older have no idea of the 2506 . If old jack had one along with the 280 rem. it would be a what 270 never heard of it . People want to be somewhat told what to buy . ha ha look at the 6.5 creed
Exactly!👍
Hardware store? Okay yeah I'd expect to find plumbing and 3006 and such there but probably not a real rifle!😂
If you like me I have a browning bar safari grade,25/06 now and I'm still going to stick with it until I die!!!!!
The perfect round in my opinion.
Having lived a "reasonable" ammount of time, if i were to advise new comers to hunting,what i would suggest is the .308 ( my first rifle), in thompson center,then learn to reload, and buy barrels from .243 win through .338 hornady, coyotes to grizzleys out of the same brass.
@@graynotescartridgebox he's thinking 338 Federal.
Or just go with a regular .308 only. No newcomer should be hunting griz/browns. .308 will handle everything from yotes to elk (I consider moose a bit easier to kill than elk). Basically everything in North America other than brown bear. If you can afford a brown bear hunt, and have the abilities, you can afford a .338Win, .375 H&H, 416... or can probably find one to borrow if needed.
A standard .308 Win rifle for an all-around general purpose rifle is PERFECTLY fine. NO reloading, etc is really needed...MUCH LESS barrel swapping...
Can’t swamp the new people with too much. Remember they have to understand ballistics and wind and how to range.
Small steps before reloading.
I started with pistol and revolver ammo. Rifle is a new ball game.
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Jumping the 7mm Mag for the .300 Win Mag is not what I would have done for a New Hunter.
I agree with your selection, I’m 75 yrs. old and only hunt with a 59 yr. old Savage 110L rifle. I’ve only ever used 180 gr. Nosler partioned reloads for all my hunting since I purchased the rifle. I’ve killed a moose at 400 yds.(3 shots, 3 hits), caribou at 300 yds.(1 shot) and an elk at 568 yds. (2 shots 6” apart my best kill).
And if I had to narrow down from that selection, it'd be the 30-06. There are plenty of factory loads for everything from 125g up to 200g thumpers. And as stated, every standard bolt action rifle is chambered for the 30-06. The '06, a proven, versatile round!
I have hunted with the 30-06 for many years. I hand load and have had fun each time I load 110 grain plinksters to a high velocity and they will just turn to a little grey puff about 25 or 30 yards from the muzzle.
You lost me when you exclude the 270 and 308 as a moose calibure. Both are excellent calibers in the hands of a good shooter!
This video was put together based on calibers for "new hunters", less likely to be a confident clean shot in a hunting situation.
Keywords, "new hunters"
He said in the hands of a beginner
My brother uses a 270 for moose and does just fine
I am really glad you included in the line-up 300 WSM, it is a superior round to the 30-06 when both are shooting the same bullet weight, but the 30-06 has a deep place in my heart [7 rifles chambered].
Honestly, the .270 is THE CALIBER all the others are measured against. Some calibers shoot s bit faster while others a bit flatter but when it comes to hunting distances and putting meat on the table, the .270 is right in the middle of them all...
I would also include the 7mm-08 which while similar in size to the creedmoor can be purchased with heavier bullet loads for elk
The 6.5 is perfect for your average whitetail hunter. It’s super accurate and doesn’t have a lot of recoil so you can be very precise