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I really enjoys the videos here, and they are so useful, and it is "funny" or "scary" to see how many golfers that are not aware of the rules on the course, so I guide them in your direction Jay, for them to learn and understand the rules :)
Thanks for the videos you make it very clear to understand. I thought I knew the rules but have learnt about different scenarios that I never thought of.
Jay, if the Direction of Play was back towards the Camera, would a RH Player be required to Drop in the General Area between the Path and the Penalty Area and then having his Stance inside the PA? Or would the NPCR be on the opposite side of the Path (left in Video view)?
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Well done, Jay! There will always be *Multiple* Points of Complete Relief. The Requirement is to determine which PCR is the *Nearest* to the Original Location of the Ball, so It's a Good Idea to Mark that Original Location in some way to assist in Measuring for *Nearest.* When a Second Drop is necessary, first focus on the point that the Ball Strikes the Ground and then look to see IF the Ball has stayed inside the Relief Area because that Point is Where the Ball is to be Placed IF It hasn't stayed in the Relief Area again.
Exact situation happened to me last week. Good thing I had seen your video earlier this year. But I still had to argue with my opponents (Match play situation) Showed them this video after the round
Can you play from the first relief that you showed, or does it have to be the the spot that is the shortest? The extra 3 yards IMO was better than the ball below the feet lie. Cheers
Unfortunately, there is only 1 nearest point of complete relief and us players don't get to choose where that is so I have to use the spot that's closest. Sometimes the nearest point isn't the nicest point. 😢 lol
Jay, I enjoy all your rules vids, even though the shorts don’t display your enjoyment the way the longer ones do. How about one where the ball is in an environmental penalty area (although not OB), and your backswing is hindered by a hefty knee high cable marking the area. Played with a guy who claimed free relief, and I disagreed, because the ball was within the penalty area. Keep ‘em coming!
Not entitled to free relief in the penalty area (rule 16.1(a)(2)). If he wants relief, he has to take penalty relief under rule 17. If, by environmental penalty area, you mean a designated no play zone, then he must take penalty relief under rule 17 and is not entitled to try and play it where it lies (rule 17.1(e)(1)).
I don't play golf and I don't watch golf content on youtube. I have no idea how I got here but this is an excellent explanation and demonstration of the rules So... Thanks... i guess?
If the player was a lefty, would the nearest point be to the right of the path?? Does it matter that he's standing in a penalty area? What if the penalty area was a lake where it's impossible to play a shot.
What if I am a lefty? Do I get to come back until that I have a full club length to drop the ball or go across the cart path (which ever is shortest?) I understand if it rolls out of bounds, I drop again but if I dont have a full club length of general area to drop in - do I get to come back/over (not even including stance). I dont think stance has to be in the general area after a drop but surely, I should get a full club length of "drop area" for my ball. Good video!
I cannot see an answer to your question from a year ago, but in this same situation, the relief for a lefty will be just off the path to the right as we look at it. Yes, you will be standing in the Penalty Area to play, but that's ok, so long as your ball is in the General area, your feet can be in another area or even OOB. Look at it this way, as a lefty, if you arrived to find your ball lying between the path and the PA, would there be relief? The answer is no, as standing in the PA does not mean you are in the PA.
@@jonc3295 Im pretty sure that you're wrong, unless the rules have been changed recently. When taking free relief like this you cant drop the ball in an area where you are then standing in a hazard (water, bunker, grass, whatever), you must find the nearest point of complete relief in the SAME general area on the course, meaning the rough or fwy, not the hazard. If that hazard was water and not grass, do you think that they would be forced to drop the ball where you said and stand in the water?
That's a great question that I think I'm going to make in a video. Unfortunately, no relief in that situation. When your ball lies in the Penalty Area, you don't get relief from Abnormal Course Conditions (cart path), whether or not that Abnormal Course Condition is in the Penalty Area or not.
Thank you for the clarification. We were going back and worth with this days after it even happened. Haha Thanks for having this channel. I did subscribe and look forward to your next video. Great content!!!
That's a Great Question because this isn't as Rare as might be thought. If you Don't want to Play the Ball as it lies from the Penalty Area, you have to take Penalty Relief. IF your Penalty Relief were to Finish On or Obstructed by the Path, you would then be entitled to Free Relief as Part Two. It's usually best to Imagine a "Dress Rehearsal" of this TWO Part Process to See if the One Stroke Penalty from the PA is really worth it or to just go ahead and Play from the PA for "free". Whatever you do *DON'T TOUCH the Ball* until you are Certain you want to take Relief, because That commits you to Taking Relief.
You would always be able to find a point of complete relief. That may be 100 metres back, but somewhere on the course, there will be a point of complete relief in the general area. At that point you may choose to play it as it lies though.
@@andrewstubbs9736 There is a rule to do with the point of maximum available relief, but that is to do with taking relief from ACCs in bunkers and putting greens where it is possible to not have a nearest point of complete relief, but is not relevant in the General Area, where there is always a nearest point of complete relief.
Hey Andrew, Bantoni answered this correctly. In the General Area, there will always be a nearest point of complete relief. It may not be "near" the ball but there will be one, even if it's on the opposite side of the hole. But you are right, there may not be a nearest point of complete relief in a bunker or on a putting green and in that case the Rules allow you to take maximum available relief.
If it isn't a penalty area, then that would end up being your nearest point of complete relief. You are only getting relief from the cart path, not from everything else. You would then need to make a decision as to whether you wanted to take relief or simply play the ball where it lies on the path. If you took relief into the bush (which wouldn't make any sense to me) you could then declare the ball unplayable and take relief from the bush at a one stroke penalty.
Isn't it true that when determining the nearest point of relief and simulating your stroke that you're supposed to use the club that you would use not the longest club but then when measuring the relief area you use the longest club 1:41
You didn't actually use a club to measure the area for the drop. 2 questions - Clearly you were within the 1 club, so it is NOT A MUST to actually place the 2 tees to create the area? Second, i've heard that you have to use the club you're going to hit next, and not the longest club, like driver. I can't find clarity on this. THANKS - You speaking pace is SO good! direct and to the point
That's correct. There is no requirement to physically measure or mark the relief area but it's a good idea to ensure accuracy. When you are finding the NPCR, you use the club that you intend to use on your next shot as that could influence where the NPCR is located. But the actual relief area is one club-length which is when you'd measure with your longest club (excluding putter) if you wanted to physically measure. Hope that helps.
@@JayRobertsGolf PEREFCT. You've even explained where the confusion of measuring with the club you'll use on next shot as the one club- length. Thanks for the reply!
Nah homie I see at least a foot of grass between the cart path and out of bounds on the right side, that’s where you drop. There’s no rule that says you need to have ample space to hit the ball. Use that tiny 1 foot space to your right or you’re cheating
The area on the right side is a Penalty Area, not Out of Bounds. Regardless, you are correct. There is no Rule that says you have to have ample space when you hit the ball. There is a Rule, however, that says that when you take relief, you must take complete relief. This means that the cart path must no longer interfere with your lie, stance, or swing (this is referenced in the screenshot of the Rules I posted). If I dropped the ball in that strip of grass, I would be taking relief incorrectly because the cart path would still interfere with my stance. 👌
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Nearest point of complete relief, not nicest point. Love it!
That shot was pin seeking. Great video as it really defines the “nearest” point of relief not the “best” point of relief.
I really enjoys the videos here, and they are so useful, and it is "funny" or "scary" to see how many golfers that are not aware of the rules on the course, so I guide them in your direction Jay, for them to learn and understand the rules :)
I couldn't agree more and I really appreciate it, Thomas!
Thanks for the videos you make it very clear to understand. I thought I knew the rules but have learnt about different scenarios that I never thought of.
Jay, if the Direction of Play was back towards the Camera, would a RH Player be required to Drop in the General Area between the Path and the Penalty Area and then having his Stance inside the PA?
Or would the NPCR be on the opposite side of the Path (left in Video view)?
You are a great instructor. Very easy to understand
Thank you for the comment! ⛳
Super helpful. Answered my question from a previous video
Really happy I was recommended your channel a month or so ago, I really like your style of videos and have been sharing them to my golf buddies. I hope you keep the videos coming and can blow up with subs and actually turn this into a money making gig :D
Hey Jamie, thank you very much. I really appreciate that!
Well done, Jay!
There will always be *Multiple* Points of Complete Relief.
The Requirement is to determine which PCR is the *Nearest* to the Original Location of the Ball, so It's a Good Idea to Mark that Original Location in some way to assist in Measuring for *Nearest.*
When a Second Drop is necessary, first focus on the point that the Ball Strikes the Ground and then look to see IF the Ball has stayed inside the Relief Area because that Point is Where the Ball is to be Placed IF It hasn't stayed in the Relief Area again.
Another great one Jay! 👍👍
Exact situation happened to me last week.
Good thing I had seen your video earlier this year.
But I still had to argue with my opponents (Match play situation)
Showed them this video after the round
Yes! I love it. Know the Rules, protect your card! Thanks for sharing man 👊⛳
Can you play from the first relief that you showed, or does it have to be the the spot that is the shortest? The extra 3 yards IMO was better than the ball below the feet lie. Cheers
Unfortunately, there is only 1 nearest point of complete relief and us players don't get to choose where that is so I have to use the spot that's closest. Sometimes the nearest point isn't the nicest point. 😢 lol
Unfortunately, It's "Nearest *Complete* Relief", NOT "Most *Convenient* Relief".
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The word "better" shall not be spoken when taking relief.
Jay, I enjoy all your rules vids, even though the shorts don’t display your enjoyment the way the longer ones do.
How about one where the ball is in an environmental penalty area (although not OB), and your backswing is hindered by a hefty knee high cable marking the area. Played with a guy who claimed free relief, and I disagreed, because the ball was within the penalty area.
Keep ‘em coming!
Not entitled to free relief in the penalty area (rule 16.1(a)(2)). If he wants relief, he has to take penalty relief under rule 17. If, by environmental penalty area, you mean a designated no play zone, then he must take penalty relief under rule 17 and is not entitled to try and play it where it lies (rule 17.1(e)(1)).
How would the procedure be if the boundary line of the penalty area was an out-of-bounds line?
It would play out the same exact way
@@JayRobertsGolf Thanks for the answer and great videos.
In under 2 minutes free relief explained with a hazard thrown in. Thanks!
I don't play golf and I don't watch golf content on youtube. I have no idea how I got here but this is an excellent explanation and demonstration of the rules
So... Thanks... i guess?
😂🤣 That is amazing. Thanks so much for the comment. It means more than you know!
If the player was a lefty, would the nearest point be to the right of the path?? Does it matter that he's standing in a penalty area? What if the penalty area was a lake where it's impossible to play a shot.
What if I am a lefty? Do I get to come back until that I have a full club length to drop the ball or go across the cart path (which ever is shortest?) I understand if it rolls out of bounds, I drop again but if I dont have a full club length of general area to drop in - do I get to come back/over (not even including stance). I dont think stance has to be in the general area after a drop but surely, I should get a full club length of "drop area" for my ball. Good video!
I cannot see an answer to your question from a year ago, but in this same situation, the relief for a lefty will be just off the path to the right as we look at it. Yes, you will be standing in the Penalty Area to play, but that's ok, so long as your ball is in the General area, your feet can be in another area or even OOB. Look at it this way, as a lefty, if you arrived to find your ball lying between the path and the PA, would there be relief? The answer is no, as standing in the PA does not mean you are in the PA.
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Im pretty sure that you're wrong, unless the rules have been changed recently.
When taking free relief like this you cant drop the ball in an area where you are then standing in a hazard (water, bunker, grass, whatever), you must find the nearest point of complete relief in the SAME general area on the course, meaning the rough or fwy, not the hazard. If that hazard was water and not grass, do you think that they would be forced to drop the ball where you said and stand in the water?
So what if you ended up in the penalty area but It was playable as it lies. But my stance was in the cart path. Would I get any kind of relief?
That's a great question that I think I'm going to make in a video. Unfortunately, no relief in that situation. When your ball lies in the Penalty Area, you don't get relief from Abnormal Course Conditions (cart path), whether or not that Abnormal Course Condition is in the Penalty Area or not.
Thank you for the clarification. We were going back and worth with this days after it even happened. Haha Thanks for having this channel. I did subscribe and look forward to your next video. Great content!!!
@@jacobaguilar5059 No problem. And I forgot to cite the Rule. 16.1a(2). Really appreciate the comment!
That's a Great Question because this isn't as Rare as might be thought.
If you Don't want to Play the Ball as it lies from the Penalty Area, you have to take Penalty Relief.
IF your Penalty Relief were to Finish On or Obstructed by the Path, you would then be entitled to Free Relief as Part Two.
It's usually best to Imagine a "Dress Rehearsal" of this TWO Part Process to See if the One Stroke Penalty from the PA is really worth it or to just go ahead and Play from the PA for "free".
Whatever you do *DON'T TOUCH the Ball* until you are Certain you want to take Relief, because That commits you to Taking Relief.
How come there’s times on tour when they hit off the cart path
I’m not sure if you have explained this before. What if there is no point of complete relief? What would you do in that case?
You would always be able to find a point of complete relief. That may be 100 metres back, but somewhere on the course, there will be a point of complete relief in the general area. At that point you may choose to play it as it lies though.
@@bantoniplakantry9138 Maybe. But I think there is a rule to do with the nearest point of maximum relief. I could be wrong though
@@andrewstubbs9736 There is a rule to do with the point of maximum available relief, but that is to do with taking relief from ACCs in bunkers and putting greens where it is possible to not have a nearest point of complete relief, but is not relevant in the General Area, where there is always a nearest point of complete relief.
Hey Andrew, Bantoni answered this correctly. In the General Area, there will always be a nearest point of complete relief. It may not be "near" the ball but there will be one, even if it's on the opposite side of the hole. But you are right, there may not be a nearest point of complete relief in a bunker or on a putting green and in that case the Rules allow you to take maximum available relief.
What if instead of a penalty area, you had bushes or a hedge right of the cart path?
If it isn't a penalty area, then that would end up being your nearest point of complete relief. You are only getting relief from the cart path, not from everything else. You would then need to make a decision as to whether you wanted to take relief or simply play the ball where it lies on the path. If you took relief into the bush (which wouldn't make any sense to me) you could then declare the ball unplayable and take relief from the bush at a one stroke penalty.
Isn't it true that when determining the nearest point of relief and simulating your stroke that you're supposed to use the club that you would use not the longest club but then when measuring the relief area you use the longest club 1:41
Much of the confusion could be eliminated by better course markings. Just bring the line right up to the cart path!
According to my own personal rules a ball on the cart path = a hole in one. Pick up the ball and proceed to the next Tee off box.
You didn't actually use a club to measure the area for the drop.
2 questions - Clearly you were within the 1 club, so it is NOT A MUST to actually place the 2 tees to create the area?
Second, i've heard that you have to use the club you're going to hit next, and not the longest club, like driver. I can't find clarity on this.
THANKS - You speaking pace is SO good! direct and to the point
That's correct. There is no requirement to physically measure or mark the relief area but it's a good idea to ensure accuracy.
When you are finding the NPCR, you use the club that you intend to use on your next shot as that could influence where the NPCR is located. But the actual relief area is one club-length which is when you'd measure with your longest club (excluding putter) if you wanted to physically measure. Hope that helps.
@@JayRobertsGolf PEREFCT. You've even explained where the confusion of measuring with the club you'll use on next shot as the one club- length.
Thanks for the reply!
Nah homie I see at least a foot of grass between the cart path and out of bounds on the right side, that’s where you drop. There’s no rule that says you need to have ample space to hit the ball. Use that tiny 1 foot space to your right or you’re cheating
The area on the right side is a Penalty Area, not Out of Bounds. Regardless, you are correct. There is no Rule that says you have to have ample space when you hit the ball. There is a Rule, however, that says that when you take relief, you must take complete relief. This means that the cart path must no longer interfere with your lie, stance, or swing (this is referenced in the screenshot of the Rules I posted). If I dropped the ball in that strip of grass, I would be taking relief incorrectly because the cart path would still interfere with my stance.
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@@JayRobertsGolf thanks for explaining that I try to play by the book