They need a set of rules for non competitive play. The reality is, if you drive a ball OB, and didn't hit a provisional, you're going to have a whole lot of people pissed off at you, if you head back to the tee box and hit another ball. And that's why there needs to be a set rule for this. I don't think you should be overly penalized. Nor should you be able to drop it in the fairway. But something in the middle. We need to help speed up the game, not slow it down.
There is Rule E-5 which will cover your points. It is an official rule of golf but it does need to be adopted as a local rule by the course being played.
Use common sense. If you're keeping a handicap, you should know to hit a provisional. If you're just having a game with your friends, and don't hit a provisional, just take a lateral drop since it doesn't matter.
@@MrImpossible86 I realize that. And that's what most people do. I forgot about the new local rule, which does help. But I disagree about it mattering. But once you go down the path of "it doesn't matter", what else doesn't matter?
@@tretre4435yes my thoughts if I’m looking at my handicap and playing OK I’ll drop a ball and say I’m playing 4, which replicates Stoke and distance hitting a second ball from the tee. Not I’ll drop another and I’m playing three
We play casual golf but competitive between the 4 of us in strokeplay. If we hit a ball out of bounds but don't know until we get to the area, then we drop a ball in the area it crossed and take a stroke and distance penalty so play 4 next. Keeps speed up.
Hope the other commenters are reading your comment...just like most of my Winter golf buddies that think that dropping a new ball and taking one penalty stroke will do but should be playing 4. I'v stopped scoring while playing with my friends because they're literally playing a different sport.Luckily they're mostly in their eighties and forget quickly and myself I never hold a grudge.The local rule helps to save time as long as every one takes two right after OB or water.
I'd wager most weekend golfers rule it like my foursome does. Look for your ball, if not found, drop in the area you're searching, then hit and proceed. No going back to the tee box which would burn too much time and delay many other groups. Count the drop as +1 and move on. We do this when you simply cannot find your ball because of long grass, millions of leaves, mud, whatever. This is not what we do on tee off if you hit ob, in a lake, etc, this is just how we proceed when after a brief search we simply don't find the ball. It's not like we're on tour where ball spotters watch the ball then come out and mark it with a little flag?!
Lose it "in play"? +1. +0 in the fall if it's lost in a leafy area (we call it the leaf rule). +0 if it's very wet out and you suspect it's plugged. +2 if it's OB. +1 if you think it went in a LH or WH.
@@booberry6715 yes, these are good common-sense rules for the amateur player on a crowded/packed course. I like that "leaf rule," might have to bring that up with my foursome.
NO, you would be playing your 4th Shot, just as if you had hit a decent Provisional Ball from the Tee in the first place. Hitting a Provisional only adds a minute, and then a few seconds to pick it up or have it picked up IF you actually find your First Ball is IN Play.
LOL no one plays golf like this video. In the woods, lost: drop play three. In the water, lost: drop play three. NO ONE goes back to the tee, and no one takes two pen strokes. It just doesn't happen in casual golf.
Actually everyone I play with plays legit for handicap reasons because most of us play competitively. But in a match we’re giving the “drop there’s fine”
Tournament golf vs casual golf is different. But if I'm playing on a Saturday afternoon and friend of a friend tells me to go back to the tee. He can do one. (Respectfully 😂) these guys need to understand the difference and HOPEFULLY viewers of this video do too
WHAT IS THE IMPACT FOR EACH OPTION ON YOUR SCORE? No good describing options without specifying what the penalty impact is on your score! COME ON GUYS!!!!
The lost ball in water is still one of the most confusing/vague rules. I think you ought to have pointed out that if there is any doubt about whether you are in the water you could play a provisional ball off the tee, but, if the only place it could be lost is in the water then you cannot play a provisional. I’ve seen the situation where the grass was short, we couldn’t find my partners ball and were ‘95%’ certain it was in the water then after we had holed out we found it - it was stuck between the grad and the wooden supports around the water like the hazard in the video. Fortunately it was a stableford and not a medal because we were not sure a if there was a penalty (playing from wrong place etc) or not!
Can you not declare your ball unplayable when it’s in the Gorsh Bush? According to the rules you can take back on the line relief or 2 club length lateral relief as well as stroke and distance.
You didnt clarify that in the case where you played a provisional but your partner found your ball in the hedge....you still have the option of declaring it unplayable and going back to the tee, playing 3. You are not compelled to play it from the hedge or take a drop.
OB I understand but IMHO the most unfair is the lost ball. The pros have 20 plus people plus spotters looking for their ball so rarely lose a ball. We have 4 people so totally unfair compared to Pros. So my group drops it where we agree it was and play it from there
Nothing more frustrating than losing a ball simply because you dont have spotters or tv cameras following you. Just because you hit it over the horizon
@@craigritchie1344 None the Pros don't get a penalty when it's found by spectators or spotters so why should we? We agree that's where the ball should be drop and hit it from there
Ball hawking is very common in Miami. Keep an eye on your golf ball when it goes onto another fairway. Had to whistle loudly and wave frantically at some fellows making a bee-line toward my ball just so that they know I was watching. Their golf balls weren't even near where mine had landed.
Having read many of these comments I am amazed at the amount of people who don't know the basic rules of golf. Learn Rule E.5 and play a provisional whenever there is a doubt your ball might be lost not in a Penalty Area.
1:14 That creates confusion. The ball touching ANY part of the property-which is the line or base, it'd be inbounds not matter if most of the ball is outside the line. The entire ball must be outside the boundary edge of the course for it to be considered out of bounds. If any part of the ball remains within the course boundaries, it is still considered in play. The line is the boundary edge, which is always inside the property Rule 18.2a.2 When Ball Is Out of Bounds. A ball at rest is out of bounds only when all of it is outside the boundary edge of the course. A ball is in bounds when any part of the ball: • Lies on or touches the ground or anything else (such as any natural or artificial object) inside the boundary edge, or • Is above the boundary edge or any other part of the course. A player may stand out of bounds to play a ball on the course.
So if some jerk finds my ball in the gorse and says I have to play it, can't I just declare it unplayable and take one of the relief options for that? Would my provisional not be useable anyways?
Time golf sorted out 'walking back to the tee'. Rubbish rule as pissing off everybody even in competitive play .... as others suggest, just play from near 'lost' area + 2 stroke penalty!
Question: drive down the middle of the fairway but lands in a mushy area and goes underground. All players saw it plug but aren't able to find it. Lost?
@@wadesworld6250Yep, it was in competition and that's how we played it. Two different times too. Once on my ball dead center drive, and once a few years later on a competitor's sky ball. Unfortunate but unless you can find the hole and dig out the ball it's gone.
I lost a distinctly identifiable ball once and a month later found it - albeit on a completely different part of the course! Clearly a cursed ball and I didn’t pick it up 😂
There is another rule that gives you the option of dropping a ball in bounds from the area the ball went out of bounds and play it with a two stroke penalty. This video missed that one.
In a situation where you have driven off and your playing partners claim that they have seen where it went but on looking you can't find it, you play your provisional and walk a little bit further and find your first ball on the fairway. If it is outside 3 minutes then is your original ball not in play anymore or is it still in play?
I love how the golf rule expert stands in the wrong place next to someone teeing off almost every time and also in previous videos. 😅 but besides that. Very helpful.
I enjoy your videos, but I think you missed an opportunity. The hedgerow as an OOB marker is a bit fuzzy. If a ball was landing at the base of the hedge, what is the call as to when it is fully OOB? The player and his partners would need to agree, but if they do not, then I assume the player could play 2 balls on that hole and appeal to the committee?
@guyr7351 Understood. I'd say it would have to be the leaves on the course side. Same principle as the painted line shown in the video. If any part of it is on the course (i.e. overhanging the turf on the course side), the ball is not OB. On the other hand, if it is the centre line of the hedge (i.e. where the roots/stems are) and you'trying to determine whether the ball is OB at that point, it becomes academic. In practical terms, the ball in the middle of the hedge will be unplayable, so it's a drop either way. Only question is if it's a lateral drop, or stroke and distance from the point of the last shot...
No you score and play with the local rule .Your second provisional is your 4th and it being OB ,in water or not found after 3 minutes you drop a ball no closer to hole and you're playing 6.But if you find your first provisional ball within 3 minutes at the presumed location you must play that ball or the the first ball if found within 3 minutes .The first and the second provisional ball cease to be in play because you found the first one and no one can declare a ball lost before the end of the 3 minute search.
I'm surprised that these channels never mention Model Local Rule E-5. You can use it even if the course doesn't have it in effect for non-competitive rounds and still report the round - it says this in the rule.
In the second example (ball in middle of large shrub) there was no mention of the 3 minute rule which probably leaves very little time for your match player opponent to find your ball and thus cause punch-up in the clubhouse!
Stroke and distance and hitting and collecting provisionals, are devastating to the pace of play. And while we are at it, let’s finally get the manufacturers to make quality balls with radio chips or GPS. It’s past time for this.
How it should be is how me and my friends play, perfect example i played today one of my tee shots went in the light right rough (we all saw a bounce) but then couldnt find it so i took a drop in the rough guessing where abouts it went and added 1 stroke annoying for me but the simple way of doing it
Where I play I’ve been told, if you lose your ball you take a 2 stroke penalty and drop next to the fairway where you thought it went lost. Is that an actual official golf rule? If it is, it’s stupid. It’s bad enough you lost your ball and golf is hard enough. There should never be more than a 1 stroke penalty for anything. Plus you just lost a ball you paid good money for! Thoughts and official ruling please?
That's a local rule that some courses adopt. Aim is to speed up play so that you don't have to walk back to the tee and hit another. It's a 2 shot penalty since you are essentially keeping the distance of your original shot ( not being penalised stroke AND distance).
So you're playing on a busy Saturday or Sunday and you decide to go back and tee off again? There are at least 10 to 20 players on a given weekend that can drive the ball 250 yards and more .Not safe to walk back in my opinion .What you described is a local rule used right across the globe to save time and lives.I doubt any of your playing partners are going to force you to take 2 stroke as long as you don't brag about your score at the restaurant.
There is no way you're going back to the tee box with another group standing there watching your march 200 odd yards back up to the tee, to only then bang another ball into the long grass.
I watched my ball land on another hole, and immediately made a bee line to it, seeing people coming off that hole’s tee. As I watch a guy look at my ball (in seeming confusion), I hollered over to him. He put the ball into his pocket. When I asked if he picked up said ball, he denied it. I begrudgingly dropped a new ball there-luckily this would not be a violation on my part.
I play with casual players who take some Unreal liberties when in the sand, in the dirt etc and don't take penalty shots.🙄 I play in a league and We have to play by tournament rules because it counts. Anytime I think a tee shot in ob or possibly lost I always hit a provisional ball, announce the number on the ball so there's no confusion. I've seen guys rake a sand trap and place their ball in the fluffed up sand😳, or take relief to the middle of the fairway
@@wadesworld6250 Do you mean they couldn't care less? I don't think they care at all. As I said do what you like when you play with your mates, mulligans giimmes free drops, but don't call it golf. and don't think about putting a card in
@@kevins2961 It's still golf. Not all golf is played as a tournament. In all reality, posting a score that's 2, 3 or 4 strokes lower because of "liberal" rules is going to make very little difference in someone's index. What tiny difference it does make is only going to hurt the golfer when it's time for a competition. In short, it's casual golf and not worth getting wrapped up about. The ruling bodies don't make us have markers with us and only turn in signed scorecards, so although the rules say you shouldn't turn the card in, they're apparently not that worried about it either.
@@wadesworld6250 Over 70% of the golf I play is in club comps. (Weekends ) I want to play against people who play by the rules and know the rules. People who don't play by the rules generally don't know them and get upset when told they are cheating, and that is what it is, Not just cheating against their opponent but against the entire field. This video is about the rules of golf, weird that most people posting don't think they apply to them If you want to make your own rules up why bother watching?
If you are hacking round a course on your own you can ignore any rule, give yourself mulligans, free putts do what you like but it isn't golf. If you are playing golf, all rules apply
A ball cannot be declared lost. It can be deemed lost by the 3-minute time limit expiring, or it becomes deemed lost if you put another ball in play before the original is found within that 3 minutes. In casual play, drop one, charge yourself 2 strokes and move on.
@@GentlemanJamesWin That is true I have looked for and found a ball in matchplay that my opponent 'declared lost' and he had to play it because you can't declare it lost
The rule, when a ball is lost, should be changed. If you can’t find your ball, and you have not shot a provisional, you should receive two penalties strokes and proceed from the area where you thought your ball landed. This will entice players to shoot provisionals instead of relying on hope to find their initial ball.
The rules guy is literally why golf clubs don’t have juniors…. “The committee may DQ if you do this or that”. Golf is a sport and needs rules but you don’t need to be such an elitest about everything.
In casual golf things are more flexible. Playing with learners don’t make them play from rough game is hard enough so drop into semi rough or fairway. Ignore bunkers etc. playing a comp it’s play by the rules hence these explanations.
The person/persons who made up the rules of golf were clearly mentally ill. It’s supposed to be FUN if you’re not earning a living from it. I’ve been playing (from single figures) for x50yrs in weekly Comps and I still don’t know a lot of the rules……….
That's why people playing for fun don't follow the rules (yet incessantly complain about the rules they don't follow). If you're playing for fun, do what you want. There are no rules police who will come out on the course and arrest you. The rules are necessary for competitions, which is the only place they are generally followed to the letter (likely not true of your weekly comp).
2.10 You cannot declare a golf ball to be lost I wish I had a £1 for every time I have said this to a playing partner or opponent. A nonsense believed by so many.
Be reasonable, take a drop in the nearest playable position to where the ball was lost and take a penalty. Unless you’re in a tournament?l, it doesn’t matter
So you can’t just drop a ball down and call it a one shot penalty if I loose a ball? Let me tell all my mates this shocking revelation who I am sure are very much unaware of these rules.
I wish people would realize that on TV or a pro tournament. You have over 200 people watching your ball. When it your buddy and you. You will lose balls the pros would not. Also play with GOLF BALLS and not GOLD NUGGETS!!!! Sick of people taking 10 minutes looking for some old SHAG ball!!!!
Hey I resemble...I mean resent that comment!!! I encountered every single one of those situations today on the golf course...and only played 9 holes!!!
They need a set of rules for non competitive play. The reality is, if you drive a ball OB, and didn't hit a provisional, you're going to have a whole lot of people pissed off at you, if you head back to the tee box and hit another ball. And that's why there needs to be a set rule for this. I don't think you should be overly penalized. Nor should you be able to drop it in the fairway. But something in the middle. We need to help speed up the game, not slow it down.
There is Rule E-5 which will cover your points. It is an official rule of golf but it does need to be adopted as a local rule by the course being played.
Use common sense. If you're keeping a handicap, you should know to hit a provisional. If you're just having a game with your friends, and don't hit a provisional, just take a lateral drop since it doesn't matter.
@@MrImpossible86 I realize that. And that's what most people do. I forgot about the new local rule, which does help. But I disagree about it mattering. But once you go down the path of "it doesn't matter", what else doesn't matter?
I take a 2 stroke penalty in such cases. It hurts but I don't need to re‐tee
@@tretre4435yes my thoughts if I’m looking at my handicap and playing OK I’ll drop a ball and say I’m playing 4, which replicates Stoke and distance hitting a second ball from the tee. Not I’ll drop another and I’m playing three
Thanks for highlighting the need for new rules!
I lose golf balls in the middle of a fairway.
Me too
@@briansweeney7166 me fore
We play casual golf but competitive between the 4 of us in strokeplay. If we hit a ball out of bounds but don't know until we get to the area, then we drop a ball in the area it crossed and take a stroke and distance penalty so play 4 next. Keeps speed up.
My group also.
We do the same
Hope the other commenters are reading your comment...just like most of my Winter golf buddies that think that dropping a new ball and taking one penalty stroke will do but should be playing 4. I'v stopped scoring while playing with my friends because they're literally playing a different sport.Luckily they're mostly in their eighties and forget quickly and myself I never hold a grudge.The local rule helps to save time as long as every one takes two right after OB or water.
I'd wager most weekend golfers rule it like my foursome does. Look for your ball, if not found, drop in the area you're searching, then hit and proceed. No going back to the tee box which would burn too much time and delay many other groups. Count the drop as +1 and move on. We do this when you simply cannot find your ball because of long grass, millions of leaves, mud, whatever. This is not what we do on tee off if you hit ob, in a lake, etc, this is just how we proceed when after a brief search we simply don't find the ball. It's not like we're on tour where ball spotters watch the ball then come out and mark it with a little flag?!
Lose it "in play"? +1. +0 in the fall if it's lost in a leafy area (we call it the leaf rule). +0 if it's very wet out and you suspect it's plugged. +2 if it's OB. +1 if you think it went in a LH or WH.
@@booberry6715 yes, these are good common-sense rules for the amateur player on a crowded/packed course. I like that "leaf rule," might have to bring that up with my foursome.
@@booberry6715 We use the leaf rule in the fall here in Pennsylvania
@@erniesteele3164 I'm in Ohio, and it's been a thing for at least 40 years that I can remember.
Why not use Rule E5 instead of cheating?
I would suggest that down your local muni , you don’t start walking back to the tee !!!!
Just play stroke and distance from where it went OB ..
Agree with this, instead of 2 point penalize by walking back to tee box. Just continue from the rough at OB area and get 1 point penalty.
NO, you would be playing your 4th Shot, just as if you had hit a decent Provisional Ball from the Tee in the first place.
Hitting a Provisional only adds a minute, and then a few seconds to pick it up or have it picked up IF you actually find your First Ball is IN Play.
@Guni8112 this Drop costs you TWO Strokes, because the Provisional Ball - you didn't bother to Play - would be laying 3.
I'll play it as I paid for. Not cutting my game short for some butthole behind me.
@@apaulmcdonough2170I have even played a provisional mulligan.
LOL no one plays golf like this video. In the woods, lost: drop play three. In the water, lost: drop play three. NO ONE goes back to the tee, and no one takes two pen strokes. It just doesn't happen in casual golf.
Casual golf, not the official rules. if your in a comp need to play the official way not just “drop one there mate”
@@guyr7351 Agreed, 100%!
Actually everyone I play with plays legit for handicap reasons because most of us play competitively. But in a match we’re giving the “drop there’s fine”
In the woods you should drop and play 4. Water you’re correct is drop and play 3.
Tournament golf vs casual golf is different. But if I'm playing on a Saturday afternoon and friend of a friend tells me to go back to the tee. He can do one. (Respectfully 😂) these guys need to understand the difference and HOPEFULLY viewers of this video do too
WHAT IS THE IMPACT FOR EACH OPTION ON YOUR SCORE? No good describing options without specifying what the penalty impact is on your score! COME ON GUYS!!!!
1 penalty stroke. Always.
So you play your second shot from tee ?
@@wills2339No, you are playing your 3rd Stroke FROM the Tee.
First was Lost, 2nd is the Penalty Stroke, and then playing the 3rd.
The lost ball in water is still one of the most confusing/vague rules. I think you ought to have pointed out that if there is any doubt about whether you are in the water you could play a provisional ball off the tee, but, if the only place it could be lost is in the water then you cannot play a provisional. I’ve seen the situation where the grass was short, we couldn’t find my partners ball and were ‘95%’ certain it was in the water then after we had holed out we found it - it was stuck between the grad and the wooden supports around the water like the hazard in the video. Fortunately it was a stableford and not a medal because we were not sure a if there was a penalty (playing from wrong place etc) or not!
@John-pn4rt As soon as your Search Time ended the Original Ball was "Lost".
Can you not declare your ball unplayable when it’s in the Gorsh Bush? According to the rules you can take back on the line relief or 2 club length lateral relief as well as stroke and distance.
Only if you can find the ball and identify it as yours within the 3 minute time limit
I thought it had to be the original ball.
@@dionpilkington6111that was the whole point of their scenario. Your competitor came and found it for you.
Neil, sorry you've had such an unfortunate time off the tees this round, and hope your next round is better...
You know what I'll start fisticuffs in the clubhouse? Losing your ball and going back to the tee to take another shot
You didnt clarify that in the case where you played a provisional but your partner found your ball in the hedge....you still have the option of declaring it unplayable and going back to the tee, playing 3. You are not compelled to play it from the hedge or take a drop.
And can’t you also take lateral relief if you find it and declare it unplayable? I think you actually want to find it in this scenario.
Read the OB rule
OB I understand but IMHO the most unfair is the lost ball. The pros have 20 plus people plus spotters looking for their ball so rarely lose a ball. We have 4 people so totally unfair compared to Pros. So my group drops it where we agree it was and play it from there
Especially if it’s just in the rough where you know you’re standing on it and can’t see it
Nothing more frustrating than losing a ball simply because you dont have spotters or tv cameras following you. Just because you hit it over the horizon
and cameras
And how many penalty strokes would you take for that?
Not always a guarantee you smoke your provisional
@@craigritchie1344 None the Pros don't get a penalty when it's found by spectators or spotters so why should we? We agree that's where the ball should be drop and hit it from there
Ball hawking is very common in Miami. Keep an eye on your golf ball when it goes onto another fairway. Had to whistle loudly and wave frantically at some fellows making a bee-line toward my ball just so that they know I was watching. Their golf balls weren't even near where mine had landed.
Having read many of these comments I am amazed at the amount of people who don't know the basic rules of golf. Learn Rule E.5 and play a provisional whenever there is a doubt your ball might be lost not in a Penalty Area.
Of course the problem here for us hackers is that the provisional ball will likely be lost as well!
1:14 That creates confusion. The ball touching ANY part of the property-which is the line or base, it'd be inbounds not matter if most of the ball is outside the line.
The entire ball must be outside the boundary edge of the course for it to be considered out of bounds.
If any part of the ball remains within the course boundaries, it is still considered in play.
The line is the boundary edge, which is always inside the property
Rule 18.2a.2
When Ball Is Out of Bounds. A ball at rest is out of bounds only when all of it is
outside the boundary edge of the course.
A ball is in bounds when any part of the ball:
• Lies on or touches the ground or anything else (such as any natural or artificial object) inside the boundary edge, or
• Is above the boundary edge or any other part of the course. A player may stand out of bounds to play a ball on the course.
It's pretty irresponsible not to even bring up Local Rule E-5 in this video when pace of play is already a huge problem at many courses.
The reason is because it is, as you say, a “local rule”. Meaning, not all courses adopt it. But do as you will and take that two stroke penalty.
So always hit a provisional.
Odd they didn't explain the difference in the different options between red or yellow markers when the ball went into the water.
Skip to 7.07 on this video: ruclips.net/video/iAwxJD90Ico/видео.html
3:41 Needs to be personally given to everyone like a Business Card in Golf. Lost Ball in a Non Penalty Area is not a Stroke & Distance Lateral Relief.
So if some jerk finds my ball in the gorse and says I have to play it, can't I just declare it unplayable and take one of the relief options for that? Would my provisional not be useable anyways?
Time golf sorted out 'walking back to the tee'. Rubbish rule as pissing off everybody even in competitive play .... as others suggest, just play from near 'lost' area + 2 stroke penalty!
Exactly!
Usually just NR
Get your club to introduce it as a "local rule" for friendly games, but not in competition. Why not just hit a provisional?
Question: drive down the middle of the fairway but lands in a mushy area and goes underground. All players saw it plug but aren't able to find it. Lost?
If you're playing in a competition and following strict rules, yes, it's a lost ball.
@@wadesworld6250Yep, it was in competition and that's how we played it. Two different times too. Once on my ball dead center drive, and once a few years later on a competitor's sky ball. Unfortunate but unless you can find the hole and dig out the ball it's gone.
I lost a distinctly identifiable ball once and a month later found it - albeit on a completely different part of the course! Clearly a cursed ball and I didn’t pick it up 😂
No lateral hazards? I thought they were a common red marking along the sides. Penalty was stroke but not distance. Do you still have to find it?
There is another rule that gives you the option of dropping a ball in bounds from the area the ball went out of bounds and play it with a two stroke penalty. This video missed that one.
In a situation where you have driven off and your playing partners claim that they have seen where it went but on looking you can't find it, you play your provisional and walk a little bit further and find your first ball on the fairway. If it is outside 3 minutes then is your original ball not in play anymore or is it still in play?
I love how the golf rule expert stands in the wrong place next to someone teeing off almost every time and also in previous videos. 😅 but besides that. Very helpful.
I enjoy your videos, but I think you missed an opportunity. The hedgerow as an OOB marker is a bit fuzzy. If a ball was landing at the base of the hedge, what is the call as to when it is fully OOB? The player and his partners would need to agree, but if they do not, then I assume the player could play 2 balls on that hole and appeal to the committee?
Didn’t they explain that. A part of the ball has to be on the course for it to be in bounds (ie a part of the ball sticking out the edge course side)
Is it the leaves of the hedge or the roots of the bush?
@@guyr7351 If it was the roots, the ball would be unplayable. Same difference.
@@interestedbystander196 my comment is more which is the out of bounds line, the edge of the bushes or the roots?
@guyr7351 Understood. I'd say it would have to be the leaves on the course side. Same principle as the painted line shown in the video. If any part of it is on the course (i.e. overhanging the turf on the course side), the ball is not OB.
On the other hand, if it is the centre line of the hedge (i.e. where the roots/stems are) and you'trying to determine whether the ball is OB at that point, it becomes academic. In practical terms, the ball in the middle of the hedge will be unplayable, so it's a drop either way. Only question is if it's a lateral drop, or stroke and distance from the point of the last shot...
The rules are as complicated as ever😮is it still a 2shot penalty for a lost ball plus another shot for a provisional ball🤔thanks.
Picking up a ball from the middle fairway is crazy
I have had a person accidentally play my ball. if they are the same make and number, it's down to personal marking to tell which is which.
@@kenbrown2808 I draw on all my balls
What if the provisional also is lost?
Shall we then walk back to the tee?
Yes, if in doubt drop a 2nd provisional
Take two weeks off...then quit and sell your clubs!!!
No you score and play with the local rule .Your second provisional is your 4th and it being OB ,in water or not found after 3 minutes you drop a ball no closer to hole and you're playing 6.But if you find your first provisional ball within 3 minutes at the presumed location you must play that ball or the the first ball if found within 3 minutes .The first and the second provisional ball cease to be in play because you found the first one and no one can declare a ball lost before the end of the 3 minute search.
I'm surprised that these channels never mention Model Local Rule E-5. You can use it even if the course doesn't have it in effect for non-competitive rounds and still report the round - it says this in the rule.
Do you have an update for 2024?
I thought a rule was brought in to drop it in line with where it went out, to speed up play?
But you didn’t explain what to do if playing partner finds ball in gorse bush.
I thought OB was ALWAYS stroke + distance (repeat from original spot plus 1 penatly) regardless of whether the ball is lost or not? Not so?
Stroke and distance relief is repeatedly said, but not defined
In the second example (ball in middle of large shrub) there was no mention of the 3 minute rule which probably leaves very little time for your match player opponent to find your ball and thus cause punch-up in the clubhouse!
Joel... it figures.
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How dare you! 🤣
Stroke and distance and hitting and collecting provisionals, are devastating to the pace of play. And while we are at it, let’s finally get the manufacturers to make quality balls with radio chips or GPS. It’s past time for this.
How it should be is how me and my friends play, perfect example i played today one of my tee shots went in the light right rough (we all saw a bounce) but then couldnt find it so i took a drop in the rough guessing where abouts it went and added 1 stroke annoying for me but the simple way of doing it
What is the penalty situation if you lose your second ball.
If an animal, for example a bird, moves the ball, is that an outside agency? I have seen this by the way.
Should’ve mentioned the penalties for each scenario as well
Where I play I’ve been told, if you lose your ball you take a 2 stroke penalty and drop next to the fairway where you thought it went lost. Is that an actual official golf rule? If it is, it’s stupid. It’s bad enough you lost your ball and golf is hard enough. There should never be more than a 1 stroke penalty for anything. Plus you just lost a ball you paid good money for! Thoughts and official ruling please?
Hi - check rule E-5. This covers what your club is suggesting. It is a local rule that has to be adopted by your club (sounds like if has been)
That's a local rule that some courses adopt. Aim is to speed up play so that you don't have to walk back to the tee and hit another. It's a 2 shot penalty since you are essentially keeping the distance of your original shot ( not being penalised stroke AND distance).
So you're playing on a busy Saturday or Sunday and you decide to go back and tee off again? There are at least 10 to 20 players on a given weekend that can drive the ball 250 yards and more .Not safe to walk back in my opinion .What you described is a local rule used right across the globe to save time and lives.I doubt any of your playing partners are going to force you to take 2 stroke as long as you don't brag about your score at the restaurant.
There is no way you're going back to the tee box with another group standing there watching your march 200 odd yards back up to the tee, to only then bang another ball into the long grass.
If you know you don’t want to play it, play a second ball without announcing it’s a provisional. That ball would then be in play?
Correct!
I watched my ball land on another hole, and immediately made a bee line to it, seeing people coming off that hole’s tee. As I watch a guy look at my ball (in seeming confusion), I hollered over to him. He put the ball into his pocket. When I asked if he picked up said ball, he denied it. I begrudgingly dropped a new ball there-luckily this would not be a violation on my part.
If you saw him put the ball in his pocket I’d have flat out accused him of lying and asked for my ball back? Why didn’t you ?
Unless you’re playing in a tournament, drop a ball where you think you lost the ball, add a stroke and keep moving.
Even better, use Rule E.5 which is better than cheating.
I play with casual players who take some Unreal liberties when in the sand, in the dirt etc and don't take penalty shots.🙄 I play in a league and We have to play by tournament rules because it counts. Anytime I think a tee shot in ob or possibly lost I always hit a provisional ball, announce the number on the ball so there's no confusion. I've seen guys rake a sand trap and place their ball in the fluffed up sand😳, or take relief to the middle of the fairway
Play your game ...they are playing a different sport.
I just need to learn how to not lose it in the first place haha
Golf rule minusha!
I absolutely despise the Out of Bounds rule. Stroke and Distance is too punishing in most cases.
new local rule allows drop in fairway and two strokes when no provisional.
Not adopted on any of the courses round me. Always check the back of the card.
@@kevins2961 The courses around you could care less what rules you follow during casual play.
@@wadesworld6250 Do you mean they couldn't care less? I don't think they care at all. As I said do what you like when you play with your mates, mulligans giimmes free drops, but don't call it golf. and don't think about putting a card in
@@kevins2961 It's still golf. Not all golf is played as a tournament. In all reality, posting a score that's 2, 3 or 4 strokes lower because of "liberal" rules is going to make very little difference in someone's index. What tiny difference it does make is only going to hurt the golfer when it's time for a competition. In short, it's casual golf and not worth getting wrapped up about. The ruling bodies don't make us have markers with us and only turn in signed scorecards, so although the rules say you shouldn't turn the card in, they're apparently not that worried about it either.
@@wadesworld6250 Over 70% of the golf I play is in club comps. (Weekends ) I want to play against people who play by the rules and know the rules.
People who don't play by the rules generally don't know them and get upset when told they are cheating, and that is what it is, Not just cheating against their opponent but against the entire field.
This video is about the rules of golf, weird that most people posting don't think they apply to them
If you want to make your own rules up why bother watching?
Please continue these videos … especially focusing on the latest updated rules
They need to change the rules for OB, it needs to mirror the rules for a water hazard.
The third question about lost balls: I guess you can declare it lost if you are playing by yourself.
If you are hacking round a course on your own you can ignore any rule, give yourself mulligans, free putts do what you like but it isn't golf.
If you are playing golf, all rules apply
@@kevins2961 But in the vid he suggests you don't have to look for your ball, but you cant stop your playing partners from looking for it.
A ball cannot be declared lost. It can be deemed lost by the 3-minute time limit expiring, or it becomes deemed lost if you put another ball in play before the original is found within that 3 minutes. In casual play, drop one, charge yourself 2 strokes and move on.
@@GentlemanJamesWin That is true
I have looked for and found a ball in matchplay that my opponent 'declared lost' and he had to play it because you can't declare it lost
so much missing information... they talk as though I am a scratch golfer who plays tournaments. This was of no value to me.
The rule, when a ball is lost, should be changed. If you can’t find your ball, and you have not shot a provisional, you should receive two penalties strokes and proceed from the area where you thought your ball landed. This will entice players to shoot provisionals instead of relying on hope to find their initial ball.
List ball in play should be treated exactly like hitting it the hazard. 2 strokes us ridiculous.
I think this video just says if looks iffy just play a provisional and crack on
And let’s not forget, it counts as an extra stroke or two.
I am sure when the game of golf was invented these rules would not be as severe.
The rules guy is literally why golf clubs don’t have juniors…. “The committee may DQ if you do this or that”. Golf is a sport and needs rules but you don’t need to be such an elitest about everything.
In casual golf things are more flexible. Playing with learners don’t make them play from rough game is hard enough so drop into semi rough or fairway. Ignore bunkers etc.
playing a comp it’s play by the rules hence these explanations.
The person/persons who made up the rules of golf were clearly mentally ill. It’s supposed to be FUN if you’re not earning a living from it. I’ve been playing (from single figures) for x50yrs in weekly Comps and I still don’t know a lot of the rules……….
That's why people playing for fun don't follow the rules (yet incessantly complain about the rules they don't follow). If you're playing for fun, do what you want. There are no rules police who will come out on the course and arrest you. The rules are necessary for competitions, which is the only place they are generally followed to the letter (likely not true of your weekly comp).
I just drop another ball down, I don’t even look for it.
It's me I am the friend that loses all my golf balls
So why do the professionals have different rules.
I let the group behind me play through and I duck in the woods for a toke and find a few balls. The guys with me can groan, but no shit given.
2.10 You cannot declare a golf ball to be lost
I wish I had a £1 for every time I have said this to a playing partner or opponent. A nonsense believed by so many.
Good on you Kev, being "that guy" and insisting on spending time in the thorns and nettles to find someone elses ball.
@@morten3465 I am not interested in finding my opponents ball in the thorns and nettles but that isn't 90% of the rough
Be reasonable, take a drop in the nearest playable position to where the ball was lost and take a penalty.
Unless you’re in a tournament?l, it doesn’t matter
And these are why weekend golfers have no idea and why golf is just not getting enough new players. Stupid rules
Its a ball not a child. Can we pleeeeze just drop a ball and move on.
So you can’t just drop a ball down and call it a one shot penalty if I loose a ball? Let me tell all my mates this shocking revelation who I am sure are very much unaware of these rules.
I don't think there should be a penalty for losing a ball. You've already lost a ball. Isn't that enough!
I wish people would realize that on TV or a pro tournament. You have over 200 people watching your ball. When it your buddy and you. You will lose balls the pros would not. Also play with GOLF BALLS and not GOLD NUGGETS!!!! Sick of people taking 10 minutes looking for some old SHAG ball!!!!
Basically in answer to any question. Go back to the tee box and hit another ball.
Walking back to tee to play another shot ….. such a stupid rule
Can you please delete all your old rules videos which are now giving obsolete or incorrect advice.
Why is that every video harping on Golf rules features a British guy talking? I think they’re still bitter over American independence! LOL
This bloke is a terrible player 😂😂😂
Hey I resemble...I mean resent that comment!!! I encountered every single one of those situations today on the golf course...and only played 9 holes!!!