Dude, You and your channel are a Godsend. I’ve played golf for a bit, But I’ve always just gone out for fun and never really kept score. mostly because there are many weird situational rules in golf that I didn’t fully understand. I’ve gotten more serious about golfing and wanted to get a really good understanding of the rules. Searching around RUclips I found so many low quality videos that in some cases just left me with more questions than answers. So stoked I found your channel. Your videos are super thorough... Just clear, concise, and straight to the point. Seriously, great job! Keep it up
Your struggles with finding quality videos with accurate Rules explanations is the exact reason I started this channel. It shouldn't be difficult for golfers to find answers to Rules questions online. Yet, so many sources either cause additional confusion or are just flat out wrong. I really appreciate the comment and love to hear that you're getting into the game. Best of luck on your golfing journey and if there's anything I can do to help just let me know! See you in the comments! 👊
Hi Jay, Love your work!! On your measuring topic when I officiate I so often see players limit their relief area by measuring with the club in their hand vs. the longest club in their bag. When they mark that area and the drop rolls outside they pick it up to redrop....
Hey Jay, whadda ya say we go down to the bay...and make something out of hay. On a serious note, this channel is the BEST at articulating the rules of golf. Thanks you for clearing up so many confusing rules and removing any doubt. Hope you're back here soon with more content! 18 clubs in the bag would be a good one to cover next!
Excellent video. Thanks. Maybe another mistake a player might make when establishing their nearest point of complete relief is taking their stance with a club other than the one they would be using to play the shot?
Can NEVER drop in a hazard. You must take complete relief. In this situation, the nearest point of complete relief would be on the other side of the path “if” that side would cause you to drop in a hazard.
@Cuttypie376 what if the relief area is outside the hazard but you would be standing in the hazard to play the shot? What about if I take relief but would be standing out of bounds? Had this come up recently and I don't see it specifically addressed in the rules
Hi Jay. Your videos are most helpful. I was wondering if perhaps u can also make some videos based on the evolution of golf rules that have changed over the years as some of these can be confusing and we sometimes wrongly apply an old rule.
My club has a red paint line hugging the cart path on the side opposite the fairway. But at some points the red line strays to about 2 feet from the cart path. If my nearest point of complete relief is in that 2 foot area, am I forced to drop there, even though my feet will be in the red area?
Yes, If there is a spot where the ball will lie that is in that 2 feet area that gives you complete relief from a cart path and is not in the penalty area, then you must drop there if that’s your NPCR. Standing in the PA doesn’t matter. I’m working on a video now regarding this situation. Great question
YES, because it is the Position of the Ball that has the Primary Concern, and the Position of the Ball determines "In or Out" of a PA. As long as Your Stance is Free of Interference of the Path, It's Okay for your Feet to be in the PA.
is it true that if instead of bushes to the right it was a sand penalty area, then the nearest relief would be to the left side the cart path since relief is determined by nearest relief in the general area, which excludes penalty areas?
TRUE! A Penalty Area (Red or Yellow Lines) is NOT the same *Area of the Course.* The same holds for Bunkers and also OB. However, if your Ball was in a PA or Bunker and your Stance was on a Path, You AREN'T allowed *Free Relief* because of the Path. Only the proper Penalty Relief.
@@apaulmcdonough2170 It's correct that there is no free relief from an ACC for a ball in a penalty area, but there is free relief for a ball in a bunker when there is interference from an ACC anywhere on the course - Rule 16.1c.
@@bantoniplakantry9138 poor writing on my part about Bunkers. FREE ACC Relief in Bunkers - or from a Stance outside the Bunker when the Ball is in the Bunker - doesn't allow for a Free Drop Outside the Bunker.
Hi Jay, Very random question but this came up in a match I was witness to. Can a player take relief from unplayable lie via a cart path if he can only reach the cart path in his stance using a driver? However the correct club for that shot is ideally an 8 or 7 iron?? Appreciate the help on this.
No, a player must not use an unreasonable stance, stroke, or club in order to get relief. 16.1a(3)/2. Using a driver when they intended to hit an 8/7 iron would be unreasonable and relief should be denied
My question is what after taking your stance you proceed to take your club length which is out of bounds, where do you drop? The other side of the path or play it as it lies on the path?
In your last example , would it be illegal to take "partial" relief such that your stance is still on the cart path, but the ball lies in the grass now instead of on the path? It looks to me like you could drop the ball in a spot like that within 1 club length of your identified point of nearest complete relief, no closer to the hole where that would still be an advantage over the current lie. Or are you obligated to take complete relief for your full stance whenever taking free relief? (love your channel!)
Your last Question answers this. The Keyword is *COMPLETE.* If you dropped in the properly selected and established Relief Area, and the Ball rolled back closer to the Cart Path, you have to verify you aren't interfered with again by the Path in any way. If this does happen take a Second Drop in your Relief Area. *ALWAYS Note WHERE a Second Drop Strikes the Ground.* This becomes Where you have to Place the Ball IF the Second Drop is not Successful.
Also, if you can drop within 1 club length of complete relief, could you drop at the spot of partial relief if it is within 1 club length of full relief?
@@cdemosshouston the wording, " *complete* relief" is used for this very reason. You can always play the ball as it lies if you don't mind the cartpath (or the relief area is worse - as explained in the video), but if you want relief, it must be complete, stance and all. You get 1 club length, but it still has to be completely free of interference from the path (or from whatever you're taking relief).
@@GP-qz6kk Thanks for the info. And based on Jay's response, interesting to note that "complete relief" is determined in relationship to the cart path itself and not to other PAs and that the 1 club length drop zone is modified to exclude points that do not provide complete relief.
There is a heavy rain fall and the bunker is completely covered with water. During my second shot, my ball ended up in the bunker. do i get any relief and what are my options?
What is the rule if your nearest point of relief AND one club length makes you drop the ball out of bounds? If the next nearest point of relief is across the path and in bounds? What if dropping the ball from the nearest point of relief has a barbed wire fence so close you cannot take a swing and is out of bounds?
Your nearest point of complete relief must be in the general area (not out of bounds). The relief area may be constrained by penalty areas or out of bounds. You aren't entitled to a relief area of maximum size. In this case, your relief area may be very small. The ball when dropped must still come to rest inside the relief area, so if it bounces or rolls out of bounds you would pick it up and try again. If it did it a second time you would place the ball where it first struck the ground inside the relief area. You are also not entitled to a playable ball, so if after relief you were impeded by a tree or a boundary fence, you're out of luck. You could declare the ball unplayable and then you would incur a one-stroke penalty and be entitled to relief from that situation. This is why it is important to figure out where your cart path relief might end up. It could be that your best option is to play it from the path.
Green side on a cart path, if the nearest point of complete relief is actually dropping closer to the green is this allowed? I always though “no nearer the hole” was the bigger factor?
So this requires an understanding of the difference between the reference point and the relief area. The reference point is the nearest point of complete relief (which by definition cannot be nearer to the hole than the original spot from which you are taking relief). The relief area is then one club length from the reference point, but it must be in the general area and no nearer to the hole than the reference point. So in this case, you would have to determine the point of complete relief on the side of the cart path further from the hole, and then a relief area one club laterally and behind that. The ball must then be dropped into the relief area and come to rest in that area. Once it has, it is now in play.
The thing with the middle of the cart path is confusing because I thought I'd seen pro's take relief by addressing the ball left handed to gain free relief and then play their shot right handed. Maybe I'm imagining it but I thought Ricky Fowler did this a few years ago when stuck in particularly thick greenside rough near a sprinkler head that only affected his stance left handed.
Jay, what if your ball comes to rest in the rough just off the left fairway and just behind but on the left side of a tree where if you swing (RH) you'll hit the tree? Since the ball is on left side of the tree do you have to take relief left of the tree only? I assumed I couldn't go the other way, to the right of the tree, which in my instance would've cleared me from tree branches further down the fairway toward the green also on the left side. I dropped left of the tree and luckily hooked it around the tree near the green and limited the damage to a bogey but I wondered could I have dropped to the right of the tree instead?
@@JayRobertsGolf Thanks! Relief from the tree that the ball is behind. I wondered if I had to (so I did) drop left of the tree since my ball was behind the left side of the tree (behind the tree, up against the tree). Going right would've been an easier shot in but I assumed I had to go left (and deeper in the rough). Cart path wasn't an issue. I guess another way to ask is if you are right behind a tree can you go to either side of the tree for relief? Is it the same as your ball in middle of the cart path explanation?
@@artmetcommerce4749 Well, there is no free relief just because a tree is in the way. A tree is simply part of the challenge of playing the course as you find it 🤷♂️
@@JayRobertsGolf Sorry, not easy to explain. My ball was up against the tree, behind the tree but on the left side of the back of the tree. I couldn't hit it to a good place so I decided to call it unplayable and take a stroke. I'm asking since the ball was more on the left side of the back of the tree (on the ground not in the tree) can I drop on either side of the tree or was I right to drop to the left side of the tree?
@@artmetcommerce4749 Ahh, taking an Unplayable changes everything. When you take an Unplayable you have three options: 1) Lateral Relief (two club-lengths from the spot of the ball), 2) Back on the line (draw a straight line from the hole and through the ball, drop anywhere within 1 club-length of that line), or 3) Stroke and Distance. You just need to use the option that's best for you. The most common is Lateral Relief, so there isn't really choosing which side of the tree to drop on, it's figuring out where in that relief area you can drop the ball that gives you the next best shot considering the tree. But just keep in mind that just because you're taking an unplayable doesn't mean you'll get complete relief from the tree
What about if your nearest point was up against the boundary of the course and you couldn't play the ball from there, as a right hander, without standing OOB?
When taking the one club length, it's the club that you are going to use hitting the shot, not a driver length, right? I think people confuse this with the two club length drop under penalty drops.
No. The nearest point of relief is determined by simulating the stance of your next expected shot, including using the expected club. Once, the nearest point of relief is found, the one club length dropping area is always measured using your longest club that is not a putter. (For most players, this will be the Driver).
What if your next shot is perpendicular to the cart path (as opposed to parallel like your example). If the ball is in the middle of the cart path, then it will be the same length to the front or the back.
Hoping Jay might confirm… If the rules allow relief, but we have incorrectly determined the nearest point of complete relief (i.e. the nearest point is actually on the other side of the cart path), and the ball is played from the incorrect spot, then I believe the player is assessed a one stroke penalty for playing from the wrong spot.
Came across a scenario with some buddies where his ball was about 8 inches from the cart path and wasn’t standing on the path either. Does he still get relief?
Saw this and hoping to help. Simple answer; no. If he has a playable lie and no interference from any “abnormal course conditions”, then he must play the ball as it lies.
For a Right Handed Player, the Vast Majority of times the *"Nearest Point of Complete Relief"* will be to the Left Side of the Cart Path (in Relation to the Direction of Play of the Hole) Left Side *PCR* is about 6 inches to the Left of the Path with Any Club chosen for the Next Shot, while to the Right Side of the Path the *PRC* with a Wedge is about 2.5 Feet to the Right of the Path and about 3.5 Feet with a Fairway Wood. So to be to take Relief on the Right of the Path, the Ball must be Sitting on the Path at least 3 Feet to the Right of the Centerline of the Path, OR with the Ball in the Grass, you find your Feet will be on the Right Side of the Path at Address.
As for your last point, what would happen if the nearest point of relief from the cart path results in an immovable object interfering with one of the 3 things (lie, stance, swing) ?
If you are referring to a separate immovable obstruction then you would continue taking relief from the first condition as normal and then take relief for the second condition. Relief relates solely to the particular condition you are taking relief from. Is that what you’re asking?
100% you can play left or right anytime you wish. You just cant use your ambidextrous playing ability to escape a bad lie and gain relief, EXCEPT in special circumstances that Jay has covered in another video
I have 2 questions. What if your nearest point of complete relief puts you ball closer to the green? What if you nearest point ends up inside red stakes.
Nearest point of complete relief...NOT closer to the hole. Therefore, there is no 'closer to the hole' scenario. You have to continue assessing immediate area until you find a suitable complete relief area, not closer to the hole, is available.
A golfer said to me, I MUST drop my ball, when it's on the cart path, on the side of the cart path it stops on? Is this true? I don't think so? It's my closest point of full relief, not which side of the cart path the ball comes to rest on
You got it. This golfer spreads a common myth... "drop on the side the ball is closest to". That's not always the case. It's the nearest point as you say!
For the 4th Rule could you drop just off the path where you were still impeded by the path based on your stance but had the ball on grass or do you have to have complete relief from the path when dropping?
Nearest point of complete relief (from the path) in the general area (so not in a penalty area or out of bounds but could be in a crappy spot like in the trees or long grass).
Do you have to take “complete relief” or is incomplete relief okay? Why take complete relief just to get your feet off the payoff that makes your ball unplayable? How about just enough relief that you still stand on the path but do the ball is on grass and playable?
In order to determine the relief area (where you must drop the ball) you must first find the reference point. The reference point in this case is the nearest point of complete relief. If, once you have determined the reference point, it is clear that your relief area is crap (or would most likely end up in an unplayable ball situation) you may be better off playing the ball as it lies (from the path).
Dude, You and your channel are a Godsend. I’ve played golf for a bit, But I’ve always just gone out for fun and never really kept score. mostly because there are many weird situational rules in golf that I didn’t fully understand. I’ve gotten more serious about golfing and wanted to get a really good understanding of the rules. Searching around RUclips I found so many low quality videos that in some cases just left me with more questions than answers. So stoked I found your channel. Your videos are super thorough... Just clear, concise, and straight to the point. Seriously, great job! Keep it up
Your struggles with finding quality videos with accurate Rules explanations is the exact reason I started this channel. It shouldn't be difficult for golfers to find answers to Rules questions online. Yet, so many sources either cause additional confusion or are just flat out wrong. I really appreciate the comment and love to hear that you're getting into the game. Best of luck on your golfing journey and if there's anything I can do to help just let me know! See you in the comments! 👊
To the point, no nonsense. Perfect!
Hi Jay, Love your work!! On your measuring topic when I officiate I so often see players limit their relief area by measuring with the club in their hand vs. the longest club in their bag. When they mark that area and the drop rolls outside they pick it up to redrop....
Hey Jay, whadda ya say we go down to the bay...and make something out of hay. On a serious note, this channel is the BEST at articulating the rules of golf. Thanks you for clearing up so many confusing rules and removing any doubt. Hope you're back here soon with more content! 18 clubs in the bag would be a good one to cover next!
Excellent video. Thanks. Maybe another mistake a player might make when establishing their nearest point of complete relief is taking their stance with a club other than the one they would be using to play the shot?
Great advice. Thanks.
Thanks for the education !
My pleasure, Butch. Thanks for the comment!
In your example at 2:05 what ic instead of bushes it was an immovable object like a fence or boundary wall?
Or a hazard area? Are you forced to drop in the hazard?
Can NEVER drop in a hazard. You must take complete relief. In this situation, the nearest point of complete relief would be on the other side of the path “if” that side would cause you to drop in a hazard.
@Cuttypie376 what if the relief area is outside the hazard but you would be standing in the hazard to play the shot?
What about if I take relief but would be standing out of bounds? Had this come up recently and I don't see it specifically addressed in the rules
Excellent!
There is one club which I found I never use (2 iron). So I substituted a left handed club (4 iron) for it and am rarely troubled by relief issues.
Hi Jay. Your videos are most helpful. I was wondering if perhaps u can also make some videos based on the evolution of golf rules that have changed over the years as some of these can be confusing and we sometimes wrongly apply an old rule.
Hey Winston, thanks for the comment. I think there could be value in this so I will play around with some ideas!
My club has a red paint line hugging the cart path on the side opposite the fairway. But at some points the red line strays to about 2 feet from the cart path. If my nearest point of complete relief is in that 2 foot area, am I forced to drop there, even though my feet will be in the red area?
Yes, If there is a spot where the ball will lie that is in that 2 feet area that gives you complete relief from a cart path and is not in the penalty area, then you must drop there if that’s your NPCR. Standing in the PA doesn’t matter. I’m working on a video now regarding this situation. Great question
YES, because it is the Position of the Ball that has the Primary Concern, and the Position of the Ball determines "In or Out" of a PA.
As long as Your Stance is Free of Interference of the Path, It's Okay for your Feet to be in the PA.
is it true that if instead of bushes to the right it was a sand penalty area, then the nearest relief would be to the left side the cart path since relief is determined by nearest relief in the general area, which excludes penalty areas?
TRUE!
A Penalty Area (Red or Yellow Lines) is NOT the same *Area of the Course.* The same holds for Bunkers and also OB.
However, if your Ball was in a PA or Bunker and your Stance was on a Path, You AREN'T allowed *Free Relief* because of the Path.
Only the proper Penalty Relief.
Exactly correct
@@apaulmcdonough2170 It's correct that there is no free relief from an ACC for a ball in a penalty area, but there is free relief for a ball in a bunker when there is interference from an ACC anywhere on the course - Rule 16.1c.
@@bantoniplakantry9138 poor writing on my part about Bunkers.
FREE ACC Relief in Bunkers - or from a Stance outside the Bunker when the Ball is in the Bunker - doesn't allow for a Free Drop Outside the Bunker.
Hi Jay,
Very random question but this came up in a match I was witness to. Can a player take relief from unplayable lie via a cart path if he can only reach the cart path in his stance using a driver? However the correct club for that shot is ideally an 8 or 7 iron?? Appreciate the help on this.
No, a player must not use an unreasonable stance, stroke, or club in order to get relief. 16.1a(3)/2. Using a driver when they intended to hit an 8/7 iron would be unreasonable and relief should be denied
@@JayRobertsGolf thanks a lot. Appreciate the quick reply.
My question is what after taking your stance you proceed to take your club length which is out of bounds, where do you drop? The other side of the path or play it as it lies on the path?
In your last example , would it be illegal to take "partial" relief such that your stance is still on the cart path, but the ball lies in the grass now instead of on the path? It looks to me like you could drop the ball in a spot like that within 1 club length of your identified point of nearest complete relief, no closer to the hole where that would still be an advantage over the current lie. Or are you obligated to take complete relief for your full stance whenever taking free relief? (love your channel!)
Good question - curious as to the answer
Your last Question answers this.
The Keyword is *COMPLETE.*
If you dropped in the properly selected and established Relief Area, and the Ball rolled back closer to the Cart Path, you have to verify you aren't interfered with again by the Path in any way.
If this does happen take a Second Drop in your Relief Area.
*ALWAYS Note WHERE a Second Drop Strikes the Ground.*
This becomes Where you have to Place the Ball IF the Second Drop is not Successful.
Also, if you can drop within 1 club length of complete relief, could you drop at the spot of partial relief if it is within 1 club length of full relief?
@@cdemosshouston the wording, " *complete* relief" is used for this very reason. You can always play the ball as it lies if you don't mind the cartpath (or the relief area is worse - as explained in the video), but if you want relief, it must be complete, stance and all. You get 1 club length, but it still has to be completely free of interference from the path (or from whatever you're taking relief).
@@GP-qz6kk Thanks for the info. And based on Jay's response, interesting to note that "complete relief" is determined in relationship to the cart path itself and not to other PAs and that the 1 club length drop zone is modified to exclude points that do not provide complete relief.
There is a heavy rain fall and the bunker is completely covered with water. During my second shot, my ball ended up in the bunker. do i get any relief and what are my options?
Please make a video on rule 11.1b(2)
If you are right handed, can you line up your next shot as a lefty then after taking relief play your normal right handed shot?
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Good point about “lefties/righties… I’ve given incorrect advice about the nearest point because I’m a lefty and the guy in trouble was right handed.
What is the rule if your nearest point of relief AND one club length makes you drop the ball out of bounds? If the next nearest point of relief is across the path and in bounds? What if dropping the ball from the nearest point of relief has a barbed wire fence so close you cannot take a swing and is out of bounds?
Your nearest point of complete relief must be in the general area (not out of bounds). The relief area may be constrained by penalty areas or out of bounds. You aren't entitled to a relief area of maximum size. In this case, your relief area may be very small. The ball when dropped must still come to rest inside the relief area, so if it bounces or rolls out of bounds you would pick it up and try again. If it did it a second time you would place the ball where it first struck the ground inside the relief area.
You are also not entitled to a playable ball, so if after relief you were impeded by a tree or a boundary fence, you're out of luck. You could declare the ball unplayable and then you would incur a one-stroke penalty and be entitled to relief from that situation. This is why it is important to figure out where your cart path relief might end up. It could be that your best option is to play it from the path.
what course is this?
How about new rules 2023 ..mr.Jay ..your video..please
Green side on a cart path, if the nearest point of complete relief is actually dropping closer to the green is this allowed? I always though “no nearer the hole” was the bigger factor?
So this requires an understanding of the difference between the reference point and the relief area. The reference point is the nearest point of complete relief (which by definition cannot be nearer to the hole than the original spot from which you are taking relief). The relief area is then one club length from the reference point, but it must be in the general area and no nearer to the hole than the reference point.
So in this case, you would have to determine the point of complete relief on the side of the cart path further from the hole, and then a relief area one club laterally and behind that. The ball must then be dropped into the relief area and come to rest in that area. Once it has, it is now in play.
The thing with the middle of the cart path is confusing because I thought I'd seen pro's take relief by addressing the ball left handed to gain free relief and then play their shot right handed. Maybe I'm imagining it but I thought Ricky Fowler did this a few years ago when stuck in particularly thick greenside rough near a sprinkler head that only affected his stance left handed.
Jay, what if your ball comes to rest in the rough just off the left fairway and just behind but on the left side of a tree where if you swing (RH) you'll hit the tree? Since the ball is on left side of the tree do you have to take relief left of the tree only? I assumed I couldn't go the other way, to the right of the tree, which in my instance would've cleared me from tree branches further down the fairway toward the green also on the left side. I dropped left of the tree and luckily hooked it around the tree near the green and limited the damage to a bogey but I wondered could I have dropped to the right of the tree instead?
Wait to salvage bogey! As for your question, are you asking how to take relief from a tree? Or is there a cart path in there somewhere?
@@JayRobertsGolf Thanks! Relief from the tree that the ball is behind. I wondered if I had to (so I did) drop left of the tree since my ball was behind the left side of the tree (behind the tree, up against the tree). Going right would've been an easier shot in but I assumed I had to go left (and deeper in the rough). Cart path wasn't an issue. I guess another way to ask is if you are right behind a tree can you go to either side of the tree for relief? Is it the same as your ball in middle of the cart path explanation?
@@artmetcommerce4749 Well, there is no free relief just because a tree is in the way. A tree is simply part of the challenge of playing the course as you find it 🤷♂️
@@JayRobertsGolf Sorry, not easy to explain. My ball was up against the tree, behind the tree but on the left side of the back of the tree. I couldn't hit it to a good place so I decided to call it unplayable and take a stroke. I'm asking since the ball was more on the left side of the back of the tree (on the ground not in the tree) can I drop on either side of the tree or was I right to drop to the left side of the tree?
@@artmetcommerce4749 Ahh, taking an Unplayable changes everything. When you take an Unplayable you have three options: 1) Lateral Relief (two club-lengths from the spot of the ball), 2) Back on the line (draw a straight line from the hole and through the ball, drop anywhere within 1 club-length of that line), or 3) Stroke and Distance. You just need to use the option that's best for you. The most common is Lateral Relief, so there isn't really choosing which side of the tree to drop on, it's figuring out where in that relief area you can drop the ball that gives you the next best shot considering the tree. But just keep in mind that just because you're taking an unplayable doesn't mean you'll get complete relief from the tree
What if one side of the cart path is OB and the ball rests on the bath but on the OB side?
What about if your nearest point was up against the boundary of the course and you couldn't play the ball from there, as a right hander, without standing OOB?
When taking the one club length, it's the club that you are going to use hitting the shot, not a driver length, right? I think people confuse this with the two club length drop under penalty drops.
No. The nearest point of relief is determined by simulating the stance of your next expected shot, including using the expected club.
Once, the nearest point of relief is found, the one club length dropping area is always measured using your longest club that is not a putter. (For most players, this will be the Driver).
What if your next shot is perpendicular to the cart path (as opposed to parallel like your example). If the ball is in the middle of the cart path, then it will be the same length to the front or the back.
The rule says complete relief, NO CLOSER TO THE HOLE. One edge of the cart path would be closer to the hole than the other.
Hoping Jay might confirm…
If the rules allow relief, but we have incorrectly determined the nearest point of complete relief (i.e. the nearest point is actually on the other side of the cart path), and the ball is played from the incorrect spot, then I believe the player is assessed a one stroke penalty for playing from the wrong spot.
Came across a scenario with some buddies where his ball was about 8 inches from the cart path and wasn’t standing on the path either.
Does he still get relief?
Saw this and hoping to help.
Simple answer; no.
If he has a playable lie and no interference from any “abnormal course conditions”, then he must play the ball as it lies.
For a Right Handed Player, the Vast Majority of times the *"Nearest Point of Complete Relief"* will be to the Left Side of the Cart Path (in Relation to the Direction of Play of the Hole)
Left Side *PCR* is about 6 inches to the Left of the Path with Any Club chosen for the Next Shot, while to the Right Side of the Path the *PRC* with a Wedge is about 2.5 Feet to the Right of the Path and about 3.5 Feet with a Fairway Wood.
So to be to take Relief on the Right of the Path, the Ball must be Sitting on the Path at least 3 Feet to the Right of the Centerline of the Path, OR with the Ball in the Grass, you find your Feet will be on the Right Side of the Path at Address.
wut?
@@MichealBacon "WUT?"
that most likely means you frequently drop on the *Wrong Side* of the Cart Path.
@@apaulmcdonough2170 I was born on the wrong side of town
As for your last point, what would happen if the nearest point of relief from the cart path results in an immovable object interfering with one of the 3 things (lie, stance, swing) ?
If you are referring to a separate immovable obstruction then you would continue taking relief from the first condition as normal and then take relief for the second condition. Relief relates solely to the particular condition you are taking relief from. Is that what you’re asking?
@@JayRobertsGolf Yes! That makes a lot of sense. Thank you.
I carry one left handed club and use it rarely. Is that legal to have and play right or left in a round? If it is legal how does rule apply?
100% you can play left or right anytime you wish. You just cant use your ambidextrous playing ability to escape a bad lie and gain relief, EXCEPT in special circumstances that Jay has covered in another video
Please list the new amended golf rules. Thanks
www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules-hub/2023-rules-of-golf/2023-rules-resources.html
Can you take relief if the ball is not on the car path but your feet are when you take up your stance ??
Yes. Interference means that the ball is touching, it or you touch it with your stance or swing
What happens when there is a very wide (4 ft) tree trunk where your nearest point of relief would be?
Jay bro you look just like a guy I went to highschool with?! He was a golfer tall and name was Jay Roberts.. and you look like him? North meck?...
That would be me! North Meck graduated in 2008!……
So complete relief is measured from where u drop the ball?
No your relief area is measured from the nearest point of complete relief
I have 2 questions. What if your nearest point of complete relief puts you ball closer to the green? What if you nearest point ends up inside red stakes.
I would also like to know the “no nearer to the hole” aspect
Nearest point of complete relief...NOT closer to the hole. Therefore, there is no 'closer to the hole' scenario. You have to continue assessing immediate area until you find a suitable complete relief area, not closer to the hole, is available.
A golfer said to me, I MUST drop my ball, when it's on the cart path, on the side of the cart path it stops on? Is this true? I don't think so? It's my closest point of full relief, not which side of the cart path the ball comes to rest on
You got it. This golfer spreads a common myth... "drop on the side the ball is closest to". That's not always the case. It's the nearest point as you say!
What if the nearest point of relief is into a penalty area
Rules of golf hit ball out of boundaries
I believe you can take relief with the “intention” of playing it left-handed, then drop your ball in play and now decide to play right-handed.
Only in rare cases. You wouldn’t be able to do that for the sole purpose of getting a better relief outcome
For the 4th Rule could you drop just off the path where you were still impeded by the path based on your stance but had the ball on grass or do you have to have complete relief from the path when dropping?
Nearest point of complete relief (from the path) in the general area (so not in a penalty area or out of bounds but could be in a crappy spot like in the trees or long grass).
So just to conrim, you're saying the answer in "no" because it needs to be full relief?@@dylankerr2411
The one thing nobody talks about, is that when you take relief, you must take full relief
So basically, relief is the shortest distance where your feet are free of the obstruction, providing the ball is not closer to the pin.
Do you have to take “complete relief” or is incomplete relief okay? Why take complete relief just to get your feet off the payoff that makes your ball unplayable? How about just enough relief that you still stand on the path but do the ball is on grass and playable?
In order to determine the relief area (where you must drop the ball) you must first find the reference point. The reference point in this case is the nearest point of complete relief. If, once you have determined the reference point, it is clear that your relief area is crap (or would most likely end up in an unplayable ball situation) you may be better off playing the ball as it lies (from the path).
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