I love how real life and honest this is. Usually when RUclipsrs compare phones with cameras they have done a lot of prep work, figuring everything out and then come with a hyper technical detailed review. But that’s not real life. You test them as an actual real user, like we all are, and the frustrations are from the real world.
Yes, please continue with this line of experimentation and comparison …I’ve been watching David Addison’s videos, as he reviews different camera apps, snap on camera grips for smart phones…filters and add on lenses. Although he’s more concentrated on video shooting, he is producing valuable content in his reviews. To me, your observation that 10 years ago, this was almost unimaginable….is the most productive starting point to frame the discussion of the pros and cons of phone photography … thanks Gavin
The sensor inside your phone is Samsung Isocell GN3 in 4:3 aspect ratio and 8,16x6,14 mm size. Dividing 35 with 8,16 gives us crop factor of 4,29. So, we multiply this with 1,8 and the FF equivalent aperture of your phone is f/7,7 (just to put you in perspective what you get out of it). The reason why those jpgs are 12.5 MP is pixel binning to increase low light sensitivity, so Google it if you're interested.
Given the uniqueness of your videos/content I'm sure many of your subscribers like myself would be more than happy to see similar videos of this nature. Great stuff.
Not read all the comments so maybe someone has already suggested this. I use my iPhone 14 pro max quite a lot now but I use 3rd party apps especially for longer exposures. Main apps are ReeXpose and Even Longer. These are far easier to use and both offer raw. You can bracket your shots so you can do a stack but mainly you can shoot manually to bulb which negates the need of nd filter.I’d love to see more of this also more of your editing to show images from taken to finish. Love the videos btw 👍
I originally got into photography with just my phone. Through many RUclips videos and a few camera apps, I learned composition and manual control. My plan was to eventually invest into a decent camera and lenses, but after upgrading to my iPhone 13 Pro with its three different lenses, I've decided to just stick with using my phone. After buying a few filters, external lenses from Sandmarc, and a tripod, I've been able to get shots that are comparable to a high end camera, of course with reduced resolution and dynamic range, but it's really not that bad. I totally understand the argument of having an expensive camera with expensive gear, but not everyone can really afford that (like me), and just thinking back to a few years ago, I would've never believed that a phone can take some of the shots I’ve taken with my phone. A phone camera will never be as good as something like a Sony A1, but as a hobbyist, I'm satisfied with the pictures I get from my phone camera.
The thing about all of these types of videos is they always shoot landscapes or mostly static subjects. Just wide scenes that any camera can shoot if you know how to use it. Do shooting at a distance or on fast moving objects, or even just normal moving objects, but in low light. And the difference becomes ridiculously clear. If you just want to shoot landscape, a 400 dollar D800 and a cheap 20mm prime lens will do 95% as well as a 7k+ system
Your aperture or depth of field in this case is not f1.8. Because the sensor is so tiny, it falls into an equivalence calculation and it’s actually more like f6 (I don’t know the s23’s specific sensor size). Which is why quite a bit of your images were in focus.
Remember the f stops are not 35mm equivalent. I don’t know the sensor size on your phone, but f/1.8 is probably nearer f/11 for a full frame sensor. Smart phone manufacturers always mix up the lens data which is confusing, they all do it. They state the focal length in full frame equivalent (e.g. 24mm), but aperture at the actual f stop for the tiny sensor!
@@mikepenney5726 I didn't bother to look up the exact specs of whichever of the lens options on the S23 was being used, but the point is the crop factor of these tiny sensors means you can not compare f/1.8 of the Samsung with f/1.8 of a FF camera. Nothing like the same. Maybe not/f11 then, but probably close to f/7. The point is they are NOT directly comparable. It is a slight of hand by smartphone makers, they state the focal length in FF equivalent mm, but NOT the aperture.
@@fototripper Seriously? I never thought I'd hear that on a photography channel that's pretty wholesome and genuinely entertaining. Courtesy offered goes a long way and costs nothing but a bit of self control. I can't see an essay explaining why audio is not always of the highest quality in every situation will go very far with these people.. especially when the moment is quite key to your productions and time management.
I am always amazed by my Google Pixel 7 Pro camera. It can't compete with my Sony a7 Mark IV but the few times I do use my phone, especially when I need very quick sharing, I am not disappointed. I would like more control and less embellishment in the images from the phone like sharpening, smoothing skin, oversaturation, but on a sub 7 inch screen rendition is pretty fine. Also only any phone the Ultra Wide angle camera is the weakest one of the entire camera setup, they put the best glasses and most optimisation on the "normal" camera (the one it defaults to at 1x). Try Astrophotography with a Night Sight capable phone (Google Pixel 6 or 7, Apple iPhone 13 or 14, Samsung Galaxy S22 or S23) and compare that, you might be more impressed then you realised because of computational capabilities.
I like this content a lot. I'm not a photographer and all I have is my Pixel phone (try it!!). Your videos help me to be more observant. Sony makes the Xperia phones that cost as much as a small car but pride themselves in using their pro camera-like software.
My year old 12 megapixel phone snapshots surprise me from time to time. I've even printed the odd photo at 13x19 and was pleasantly surprised by the results. It took a couple year jump in phones before I started being fairly happy with widerish angle phone photos. Still not impressed with telephoto shots. Now I'm not a pro photographer by any stretch but I do know casual observers simply enjoy a photo for the whole image. A very odd composition tends to be noticed before minor issues with sharpness, contrast, blown out areas.... If you fancy keeping the phone experiments going, try 3rd party camera apps for your current phone too. Nightcap camera app will let you do long exposures day or night. Not sure if it's iOS only but I'm sure there's an android equivalent. Just don't ask me how to use it, I button mash until I see something interesting😂😂 Enjoyed the self torture, I hope Amada isn't too hard on you for the pungent ride home.
My wife (she who must be obeyed) is always going on about ‘why do you need an expensive camera system -I can get just as good shots with my mobile’. So, this comparison doesn’t really help Gavin 🙄. Having said that, her mobile doesn’t do birds in flight 🫣🤣. So, I’ll stick to the camera and she can stick to social media 🙄. What’s that - “love you too darling” 🤗
In my opinion, it all depends what you use the images for…hobby, amateur or the average snapper. Again, in my opinion, the iphone is the best so far. I use my photos for social media and photo books just for my family. And i am quite pleased with the results. There are apps for RAW photography and long exposure. I have a 13 mini and happy with it. Also I have a Dslr…. I shoot both. But sometimes i just have my phone on me because i don’t want to carry an extra bag. All depends what you want to do….
Although of course a professional camera will take better pictures, what I like about today's phone technology is if you don't have your camera gear with you, and you see a picture worth taking, the phone is getting good enough that it can suffice and you won't walk about without the shot. I have found on multiple occasions, especially on vacation where I don't want to lug around my camera gear everywhere I go I can still scope out photo opportunities and grab them. The iPhone 14 pro RAW camera system is very solid and I've taken some great keepers using it over the last 6 months.
Definitely interested to see what you can do mate. I just got the 14ProMax and doing my own tests right now. Pretty impressed with the Milky Way shots so far.
When i first started hiking, all my learning about photography was from the use of my Samsung Note 5 (Now using a Note 20 Ultra before upgrading to an Galaxy s23 Ultra). I then bought a dslr and my landscape photography went up from there. I'd like to see more videos like just to see a more seasoned photographer's perspective into using a smartphone for photography.
Interesting video & nice to see your comparison. I will not use my phone for landscape photography as the shots are terrible. I will only use it for family snaps, & finding a composition. I like my fuji xt3.
This was interesting, the frustrations you had with the phone due to it being unfamiliar to you are just the same as I have as a complete beginner with a DSLR that's a whole new world to me. I guess it's all about learning and understanding the equipment that you’re using.
I could see that the aspect ratio in your phone settings was on 'Full' - probably explains why you felt some images were pano-like. If you tap that setting button you can choose from a variety of usual aspect ratios. I've tried Samsung's pro camera mode and it is a PITA to be honest. I can't understand why smartphone manufacturers keep upping the mega pixels when the sensors are too small anyway.
Well, I'm all for some more phone experiments. I frequently find the phone is all I have because it's too risky or cumbersome to have a full sized camera with me. Saddly, I don't think they will ever have 'real' aperatures. The tiny sensor makes it physically impossible. I remember my excitement when I bought a Mavic 2 pro with a real aperature on board! The lens is so wide that depth of field was secondary to just slowing down the shutter speed. A big problem is that diffraction takes over with any setting over f4. Phones are 'fixing' all these issues with software and not optics. More likely it will be in the camera's firmware than any app. Soon enough you will just ask your phone for a picture of a waterfall.
It will be interesting to see how the next generation of phones perform. I never took phone photography seriously until a recent trip to Italy where I left my camera kit in my hotel room to go out to dinner. There were some good night shot compositions on the way back to the hotel and my Pixel 5a just killed it in low light and no tripod. So my kit spent the last 3 days in my hotel room. But for landscape outings I can't live without the apurture adjustment and focal length range.
Thanks again for the Video Gavin. Interesting comparison. I remember watching a comparison with a 50MP Huawei phone. Very similar results on screen to yours. Impressive on screen. However, the You Tuber did discover a large difference in image quality/detail when he printed the shots out at full size. He determined that the 50MP phone printed at the equivalent quality and detail of a 12MP image taken by a DSLR or Mirrorless camera. Many reasons to stick to using a camera. But the phone is a great tool if you happen to be out with no gear.
I agree we all need to continue learning how to use our cameras better whether they cost $100, $600 or $6,000. And if theyre the Mirror or not types. But there are many Moble Phone Professional Photographers out there. You can find them in the the different Photography Magazines. Im using them in conjunction with many comments from knowledgeable people on this channel how to use picture formats, etc Ive been struggling with, thanks. I am a Landscape Photographer. I'm using 2 moble phones mostly the Note 10. I have Dyslexia and severe Inattentive ADHD. I just point and shoot. Having a background in Art. It helps with my perception, composition of my pictures. I take multiple pictures at different angles as well different times a day to understand how the light effects the area. Its alot of studying as well observation and Im excited when everything comes together. My lenses are cracked from me dropping the phone yes with a case. Several yrs ago I learned about Light /Night Photographers. Thats alot of money buying necessaryequipment. But, I can get similar pictures without. The shattered lenses are my opportunity to create starburts and other cool effects.. I also have a Galaxy A13 5G, it doesn't compare with the Note 10, but Im still learning from both cameras in the Pro Mode, playing with the ISO, EV, WB etc. I have also created Photobooks. And this yr, Im going to send pictures from both cameras to the International Moble Phone Competion. Ive not yet done any app editing though Ive watched variety of RUclips Photographer utlize,( the layering effect has my attention), but so far past 5yrs I do my editing on both phones. I know we all have our favorites we're loyal to. And I like control of my own creativity without using the AI. I dont do social media. Too much bullying or drama. Im not interested in being a blogger or having a channel.I find RUclips the best & has many creative education channels, of artists, professional Photographers etc Im also an Mixed Media Artist. My cousin is a retired Portrait Photographer. I send/share with my ongoing experiments. I grew up with point and shoot Kodaks. Ive had a professional used Nikkon with a superb telephoto lensed that I used experiment in Micro in 09' and a DSR Nikon Digital that I didnt like. I found it to complicated with so many gadgets on it. It overwhelmed my poor brain. I haven't tried a Mirror-less 1 yet. But the Moble Phone Camera has reopened my opportunity, to do more than dream to start my own business. As for us old timers, AI, is being threaded in everything the internet is so much a part of our lives now. Im in my 50s. So where you stand, what equipment you utilize.. its ok. I gave that Digital Nikon to a friend. He recently found a complete Canon AE-1 Camera with everything for $25.00. My cousin said her Dad had 1 and she started her Photography using it. And now, the interest of Black & White Photography has returned as well. Im already been experiment with this too. So I believe my moble Phones are teaching me, Im learning how to better use this other camera once I remember to buy some batteries.
There will always be a difference when the sensor of a smartphone is 1/6th the size of a full frame sensor. Smartphones work decently in good light but the dynamic range will suffer in low light conditions.
I manage a lot of projects at work that involve print production and one of the things we've noticed about phone photos (besides general quality issues) is that only some phones permit downloading of their images in a large file size. So, we may be provided a decent-enough phone camera image, but the file is so small that it'll only print about the size of a large postage stamp.
I was reading that the mid range on an iPhone 14Pro is 48MP, but on the ultra wide end or the zoom range, it's 12MP. So that's something to keep in mind. Plus the F stop is deceiving because on that small of a phone sensor, an f1.8 isn't going to be anywhere near an f1.8 on a full frame sensor. Plus, the dynamic range and focus points are important to me. I have the iPhone 14pro, and it does OK for what it is, but I would never want to shoot an indoor event with it, or an outdoor sporting event.
Great video as usual. That was a stunning shot from your phone. I have found, as you noted that phones are a real pain to use for photography - too many unclear settings and very fiddly to use. I think you are right that a tripod is needed to use any of the manual settings so doesnt make the phone a particularly portable option for landscape photography. I usually give up or 'snapshot' landscapes so have learnt Im better off with a small compact camera rather than the phone camera. However, Ive got lots of pretty good flower/mushroom photos and 'intimate' landscape photos with my S22 ultra due to the massive depth of field from the tiny sensor. It cant compete with my EOS R or even my Sony RX100V though in anything other than almost always being with me.
One valid point is camera phones have gone a long way in even 5 years. ‘proper’ cameras haven’t really changed in 10 years. One example is overheating on videos which phones don’t seem to do. A 15 year old Nikon d300 will be comparable to a new slr for same price.
Very interesting, having just invested in a Samsung.....but I won't be tempted to ditch the dslr in favour of it. I mainly use the phone when scouting-out shots ....being rather rotund, I prefer to carry a minimal amount of additional weight when out walking/waddling....If something catches my eye, I'll return with the pro-gear (once I've recovered from the physical exertion 🤣). I've not personally used the Samsung camera (yet)....but found in the past that the Huawei P30 Pro smartphone really packed a punch with the camera.....but still not near the quality of the dslr.
I've been using my phone to take those photos you would have missed otherwise, usually while out walking the dog, or on an errand somewhere. I use the ProCam X app which does give me a fair bit of control (without the aperture). It does not replace my regular camera however, especially while travelling in risky areas. I would still use a small older camera/lens combo that I wouldn't cry if stolen, holding up a cell phone for a photo in that situation invites unwanted attention. Other locals where you have time and purpose, would still use the standard camera stuff.
I'm no pro by any means, but before I received the gift of a T6i I'd like to think I put some effort into my iPhone photos. That's what gets me the most -- Instagram turning from a photo app to a garbage snapshot app, and people not putting much thought into the photos they're taking. The best-result S23 photos you have looked really great to me, because effort was put into making them look the best they could look.
Gavin, I really like this topic and what you've done here. BUT, you should've done a little bit of research about the camera app and the best settings for it. It's the same as any other tool really, you need to know it a fair bit to get the best out of it. There were plenty of settings that were not ideal. The video setting was at "Full", which actually just deceases the resolution to crop into the sensor and fill the display.. It should be set to 16:9 for full res video. 4K preferably.
I find this interesting for sure. I've done the same with waterfalls with my phone. It is actually very capable and, with enough effort, I think I could get very close to my full frame. However, it takes longer to capture, because you do have to bracket more (due to poor dynamic range - and I've even focus bracketed with it). You do have to struggle more with filters. And then you have to spend more time post-processing all the extra files. But, to me, the worst is this: once it's on the tripod I can't just flip up the screen to SEE what's happening.
You picked an interesting time to try this "experiment". I'm currently traveling in Italy and just had my full frame camera and lenses stolen in Rome. So I've been forced to use my Samsung S21 for all those shots I'd planned for months.
Glad you did this comparison so I didn't have to. Phones still have a ways to go to be competitive with digital cameras. But, it is impressive, what they can do. I'll settle for mirrorless camera systems becoming smaller and lighter while keeping full frame sensors..
Interesting to see how a pro photog interacts with a phone system for the first time. I've never really taken my phone to that level but am interested to try out some more of its capabilities after seeing you poke around on yours. I liked all the phfaffing about! Fwiw I have a relatively new iPhone 14 Pro (finally retired my 7 plus!) and one thing is for certain: it can zoom in quite a bit more on the raw images. (To enable raw, 48mp capability in the new iPhones, go into the Settings and in the camera section, select Apple ProRAW on and set the resolution from 12 -> 48mp. Then in the app you'll have the option to shoot in raw by clicking the "RAW" which is, by default, crossed out.
The cameras in most smartphones are genuinely amazing, now. I have the iPhone 14 Pro, and the 48MP RAW files out of that - particularly on the standard wide lens (vs the ultra-wide or tele) - are sometimes better than from my R5. And the 4K video files, even with the selfie camera, are extraordinary. I shoot all my in-car footage with it, now. They're still crap in low light, but in good light, the phone cameras are seriously good. I can't wait to see what they'll be able to do in another 2-3 years. But all that said, the photos themselves still run a distant second to the process of getting outside and faffing about with a full-frame camera. As a practice - as a form of artistic meditation - the 'old' way is still the best (for me, anyway).
My old Samsung (4 I think) went from jpg to raw/pro setting with a quick swipe to the right. How to get there now is one of the greater mysteries of life 🤷♀️. I have a cheap Google Pixel phone that takes pretty good photos, and an iPhone 12 that suffers in comparison. Go figure. Phone is good for snapshots and my silly videos and so far that’s all they’ll ever be good for. Oh, and for watching cat videos 😹. I’ll stick with my Nikon. Thanks for the video Gavin!
Absolutely loved this comparison. Yes, please do another attempt with the IPhone if possible. I currently have the IPhone 14 Pro Max. Would be curious to see how a different system compares whatever IPhone it may be.
In my experience, my S22 Ultra isnt as good as my Canon 77D with my L lenses. I really only use the phone camera to get photos of my cats or goofy photos of myself. The best example that I've got for comparing my phone's camera and my actual camera was from last month's Northern Lights show. The phone photos were all right, but the photos from my camera were magnifi-qua.
Great video Gavin, keep up the good. I mount my smartphone in the hotshot in bracket to video what I am taking photos of. This can be wildlife, aishoes, motor sport and even portraits. As the model sometimes wants video content for their IG feed.
Yes yes, i am definitely interested in this type of content, so continue in ti please (i know that it will be hard because of all of the specialists in comments, but i would like to see this type of videos). 👍
It's definitely a 'good' picture that is being achieved by the phone, but it's still not on the level of a modern mirrorless at all. I find phones do well until you start to zoom in. Cool comparison...great waterfall.
For what it's worth, 7 months later... I like these comparisons. They show what can be done within the limitations of an all round device and probably highlight appeal to a less mobile audience who can't lug around bags of equipment but, would like to take better images. These people do exist and live among us... Believe it or not. Reading the comments, you'd think photogs were the only people left wandering the bad bush and that the tech world should cater to them or, they're just so self absorbed, they just don't consider other people's physical needs. Anyway, well done pal. I'm sure my fibro friends will appreciate something like this and finally accept that all hope is not lost and they aren't relegated to the instabin of cat photos only
Good job. If you like to get a phone to replace a camera, the S23 Ultra would have been a better choice for a side to side comparison between thoose two systems.
Smartphones are definitely coming on. Their convenience is something not to be denied especially if you like sharing directly to other apps. But I often use mine to preview a scene too. To check out a composition for example. It's certainly more convenient than the Polaroid backs we used to have 😂. Camera phones also appeal to those who need instant gratification and immediate results. I'll sometimes be setting up a shot. Tripod, lenses, filters etc and a family member will fire off a few frames on their phone with a certain smugness. It's true that getting a decent photo requires a "proper" camera and a lot more effort, but the results will always be worth it to those who appreciate what a really good image looks like 👍
Very funny and had me laughing😂 They are surprisingly good pics. Only trouble is, most people dont bother wanting to know about shutter speeds, apertures or iso. Thing is, if they could get to grips with these basics then it would really encourage manufacturers to up their game especially as most pictures are taken using a mobile. Imagine that, a phone as good as a pro camera. I'd ditch my Z7! Great vid and laugh out loud factor was 4 today and thats very good😂😂😂
Lightroom Mobile has a built-in camera app that processes the RAW DNG much better than the stock camera app. I was very surprised when I tested it on my S22 Ultra. Only drawback is Lightroom Mobile only uses the main camera, so you're not getting access to the other focal lengths.
Since your phone is a crop sensor, you should be able to add a correction of something like 7x to the aperture. The full-frame equivalent is likely f13-ish. I think that makes sense seeing the resulting images. What do you think Gavin? A RX100 or G7 is probably a good compromise between portability and function.
Great video. I like the freshening of the content. One suggestion that I would appreciate seeing would be a summary of your recommendations to optimize phone settings for photography with your model. It was a little tough to follow the outcome of your experience towards the end. I'm in a similar boat to you, although not a professional. I love using my Z7 ii and a 24-70/f2.8 or 14-24mm for landscapes, but sometimes with a family, it's not practical to carry my gear everywhere. If I see a shot, I'd like to use the tools on my phone to take a decent photo and have it not be garbage quality.
Absolutely, maybe use an I phone 14 Pro Max to see what it can do but I'm very interested in the results. I have the 14 Pro Max and my son-in-law has the new S23 Samsung and I feel the Iphone does a better job but do not know if you have as much pro features as I see you have with your Samsung. Love, love you videos but do miss your wife being in your video. After all she is easy on the eyesand very funny when you guys are together. Thanks again for all your videos. Yes, I am subscribed.
I have the iPhone 14 Pro and upgraded primarily for the new camera. I still find that I use it mostly for quick snapshots, mostly of my cat. I've used both the Apple photo app as well as Halide and it's just not particularly fun to shoot with in the way that an actual camera is. I prefer physical controls instead of tapping on the screen to change my settings, and I've found that working with Apple's raw files in Lightroom isn't fun at all either.
I was looking forward to this one Gavin, ta! In my own experience, it doesn’t even take an expensive camera like your A1 to outperform a phone - I can get significantly better shots with my little Fuji X-E3 and 15-45mm kit lens, combined cost (to me) of around £350, compared to my iPhone 13 Pro Max.
A $9000 difference? No, but that image could also be captured on a pro camera for less than an A1 setup and still have the desired dynamic range. Like you, I'm optimistic for the future of phones, but still not quite there to replace it.
Really interesting video. I have no thought or plan of replacing my cameras and lenses with a phone camera anytime soon, but regardless, I still found this an interesting watch, thank you.
Some might say that you have opened up a can of worms with this one Gavin, but I for one think it's a ruddy interesting topic. At the mo I think the phone cameras have a long way to go to make them a "pro" option. But for those quick snaps etc... enough said. Then again, is the quality diference worth the 9k... Another ruddy good video, thanks.
Phone cameras have their weaknesses but like anything you need to perfect your skills to get the best results. Usually the main camera rather than the ultra wide on a phone will give better images as generally manufacturers prioritize the main sensor. Clip on filters and using 3rd party apps while including bracketing will help but of course, the sensor is tiny so will never compete with a real camera. I actually prefer a real camera for photography purely because aperture but for most social media where nobody will notice you took it with a phone, it'll do.
I did an article on the Samsung Members Forum between my S22 Ultra and LUMIX S1 with both in auto To be honest I was quite surprised by how good the phone was. But really a small phone sensor can’t compete with a full frame sensor But with phone sensor improvements as they go on, will obviously get better The one thing that will stop me just using a phone. It’s just more long winded to fiddle around with camera settings on a phone. As you found out
pro mode on samsung phones does shoot raw files and they're decent. Gavin you should check the save options features in your camera settings when you open pro mode. you probably had the jpeg/raw copies switched off.
agreed... in the Pro mode you can get some decent raw files with control of aperture, shutter speed and ISO. Given its relatively small sensor, it is not as good as my R5.
@@josecavazos1194 Apple ProRAW is just something else !! occasionally I still use an old Samsung s10+ and the raw files are acceptable but the raw files that come out of the IPhone 14 pro are just amazing. the IPhone has literally killed the point and shoot camera market. that being said, I agree no smartphone will ever replace my cameras.
Hi Gavin, it will be interesting to see more tests with phone camera. I enjoy your shows and give me good laugh before a long week ahead. Regards Stuart Potgieter South Africa.
I was talking to someone recently about phone camera and pro mirror less cameras Why hasn't apple made a pro mirror less camera with interchangeable lenses The programing in the iPhones can give better looking photos instantly Detail in the sky etc Sometimes you have to bracket on a more pro camera to achieve the same effect Surely it won't be long for something like this is put in to production after all, sony make both
Gavin, I just purchased the Google Pixel 7 Pro. I haven't done a deep dive into the camera app, but the night mode (NightSight in Google speak) kinda blew me away- stars were in focus and almost as sharp as my A7III. There's a lot of multi-image AI in the capture, but really impressive for a phone. Things fall apart in the deep shadow foreground when you zoom in of course, but still.
I have Samsung Galaxy S21, some of my best sunrise pics are from that phone during my morning runs. But I don't think I could blow any of them up for a wall hanger, looks good on Instagram though 🙂
Fun content- I’ve been wanting to do this same experiment with my low light photography. I primarily use my phone with the Viewfinder II app for scouting comps- it displays frame lines in the image with a variety of focal length choices, giving you somewhat of a preview.
FYI Gav, there is a RAW option you have to set to get RAW files from samsung's pro camera (at least on my Note 10). You can also change the aspect ratio to the native 4:3 on the camera (Pro or otherwise) hope this helps!
Smart phones are not going away anytime soon and their cameras are getting better and better. Looking forward to your next video on this topic as there is a lot more we can all do to get more from our smart phones. Thanks for sharing 🎉
You have JPG resolution set to "Full", which does not mean full sensor resolution, but full screen resolution. If you tap on where it says Full you can change that to 50MP or standard 12MP
On the last comparison, in ACR you had the highlight slider down on the A1 shot, but “not moved” on the phone shot. I think there may have been at least a little recoverable detail in the “apparently” blown highlights if you’d pulled the slider down some. ??
JoshuaPeg also put a video out on this earlier this week. If you look at it as a good place for beginners to start from, it really does make sense. Most of us have a smartphone on us.
I shoot with the iPhone 14 Pro and have pretty good results obviously it’s not as good as my Canon R5 but for hiking and mountaineering it’s bloody good.
I also have the 14 Pro Max and the R5…of course the iPhone doesn’t have the same dynamic range as the R5…but for a multipurpose device like a phone it’s not half bad…plus he didn’t shoot in RAW which would have made a bit of a difference
Best book ever written? www.fototripper.com/chasing-awe-landscape-photography-book-gavin-hardcastle/
What he says 😁👍
I love how real life and honest this is. Usually when RUclipsrs compare phones with cameras they have done a lot of prep work, figuring everything out and then come with a hyper technical detailed review. But that’s not real life. You test them as an actual real user, like we all are, and the frustrations are from the real world.
Thanks David, it's a shame the haters don't appreciate this perspective.
Yes, please continue with this line of experimentation and comparison …I’ve been watching David Addison’s videos, as he reviews different camera apps, snap on camera grips for smart phones…filters and add on lenses. Although he’s more concentrated on video shooting, he is producing valuable content in his reviews. To me, your observation that 10 years ago, this was almost unimaginable….is the most productive starting point to frame the discussion of the pros and cons of phone photography … thanks Gavin
The sensor inside your phone is Samsung Isocell GN3 in 4:3 aspect ratio and 8,16x6,14 mm size. Dividing 35 with 8,16 gives us crop factor of 4,29. So, we multiply this with 1,8 and the FF equivalent aperture of your phone is f/7,7 (just to put you in perspective what you get out of it). The reason why those jpgs are 12.5 MP is pixel binning to increase low light sensitivity, so Google it if you're interested.
Given the uniqueness of your videos/content I'm sure many of your subscribers like myself would be more than happy to see similar videos of this nature. Great stuff.
Not read all the comments so maybe someone has already suggested this.
I use my iPhone 14 pro max quite a lot now but I use 3rd party apps especially for longer exposures. Main apps are ReeXpose and Even Longer. These are far easier to use and both offer raw. You can bracket your shots so you can do a stack but mainly you can shoot manually to bulb which negates the need of nd filter.I’d love to see more of this also more of your editing to show images from taken to finish. Love the videos btw 👍
I originally got into photography with just my phone. Through many RUclips videos and a few camera apps, I learned composition and manual control. My plan was to eventually invest into a decent camera and lenses, but after upgrading to my iPhone 13 Pro with its three different lenses, I've decided to just stick with using my phone. After buying a few filters, external lenses from Sandmarc, and a tripod, I've been able to get shots that are comparable to a high end camera, of course with reduced resolution and dynamic range, but it's really not that bad. I totally understand the argument of having an expensive camera with expensive gear, but not everyone can really afford that (like me), and just thinking back to a few years ago, I would've never believed that a phone can take some of the shots I’ve taken with my phone. A phone camera will never be as good as something like a Sony A1, but as a hobbyist, I'm satisfied with the pictures I get from my phone camera.
The thing about all of these types of videos is they always shoot landscapes or mostly static subjects. Just wide scenes that any camera can shoot if you know how to use it.
Do shooting at a distance or on fast moving objects, or even just normal moving objects, but in low light. And the difference becomes ridiculously clear.
If you just want to shoot landscape, a 400 dollar D800 and a cheap 20mm prime lens will do 95% as well as a 7k+ system
Being able to properly adjust the settings and creatively influence the picture you are making... priceless.
Your aperture or depth of field in this case is not f1.8. Because the sensor is so tiny, it falls into an equivalence calculation and it’s actually more like f6 (I don’t know the s23’s specific sensor size). Which is why quite a bit of your images were in focus.
For the first shot, You chose full in the camera viewfinder, that's the lowest resolution mode. An you can select raw in the settings.
Remember the f stops are not 35mm equivalent. I don’t know the sensor size on your phone, but f/1.8 is probably nearer f/11 for a full frame sensor. Smart phone manufacturers always mix up the lens data which is confusing, they all do it. They state the focal length in full frame equivalent (e.g. 24mm), but aperture at the actual f stop for the tiny sensor!
If you look at his image there is no depth of focus. So no it's not like f11. Regardless it's crap.
@@mikepenney5726 I didn't bother to look up the exact specs of whichever of the lens options on the S23 was being used, but the point is the crop factor of these tiny sensors means you can not compare f/1.8 of the Samsung with f/1.8 of a FF camera. Nothing like the same. Maybe not/f11 then, but probably close to f/7. The point is they are NOT directly comparable. It is a slight of hand by smartphone makers, they state the focal length in FF equivalent mm, but NOT the aperture.
Honestly, you have some impeccable sound quality. Loud, clear and crisp without clipping or distortion.
I hope people appreciate this!
Nah, I regularly get complaints from haters.
I have to assume this is typical British Hardcastle sarcasm as a fellow Brit.
If it's not, I have an essay to write for those haters.
@@likelime. Sadly no, people even take time out of their day to angrily email me and complain about the free content I've been providing for years.
@@fototripper Seriously? I never thought I'd hear that on a photography channel that's pretty wholesome and genuinely entertaining.
Courtesy offered goes a long way and costs nothing but a bit of self control.
I can't see an essay explaining why audio is not always of the highest quality in every situation will go very far with these people.. especially when the moment is quite key to your productions and time management.
thank u, just canceled my Z8 preorder and now will get a S23 instead
I am always amazed by my Google Pixel 7 Pro camera. It can't compete with my Sony a7 Mark IV but the few times I do use my phone, especially when I need very quick sharing, I am not disappointed. I would like more control and less embellishment in the images from the phone like sharpening, smoothing skin, oversaturation, but on a sub 7 inch screen rendition is pretty fine. Also only any phone the Ultra Wide angle camera is the weakest one of the entire camera setup, they put the best glasses and most optimisation on the "normal" camera (the one it defaults to at 1x). Try Astrophotography with a Night Sight capable phone (Google Pixel 6 or 7, Apple iPhone 13 or 14, Samsung Galaxy S22 or S23) and compare that, you might be more impressed then you realised because of computational capabilities.
I like this content a lot. I'm not a photographer and all I have is my Pixel phone (try it!!). Your videos help me to be more observant. Sony makes the Xperia phones that cost as much as a small car but pride themselves in using their pro camera-like software.
My year old 12 megapixel phone snapshots surprise me from time to time. I've even printed the odd photo at 13x19 and was pleasantly surprised by the results. It took a couple year jump in phones before I started being fairly happy with widerish angle phone photos. Still not impressed with telephoto shots.
Now I'm not a pro photographer by any stretch but I do know casual observers simply enjoy a photo for the whole image. A very odd composition tends to be noticed before minor issues with sharpness, contrast, blown out areas....
If you fancy keeping the phone experiments going, try 3rd party camera apps for your current phone too. Nightcap camera app will let you do long exposures day or night. Not sure if it's iOS only but I'm sure there's an android equivalent. Just don't ask me how to use it, I button mash until I see something interesting😂😂 Enjoyed the self torture, I hope Amada isn't too hard on you for the pungent ride home.
You come for the photography lesson but you stay for the effort and comedy banter. Love it.
My wife (she who must be obeyed) is always going on about ‘why do you need an expensive camera system -I can get just as good shots with my mobile’. So, this comparison doesn’t really help Gavin 🙄. Having said that, her mobile doesn’t do birds in flight 🫣🤣. So, I’ll stick to the camera and she can stick to social media 🙄. What’s that - “love you too darling” 🤗
In my opinion, it all depends what you use the images for…hobby, amateur or the average snapper. Again, in my opinion, the iphone is the best so far. I use my photos for social media and photo books just for my family. And i am quite pleased with the results. There are apps for RAW photography and long exposure. I have a 13 mini and happy with it. Also I have a Dslr…. I shoot both. But sometimes i just have my phone on me because i don’t want to carry an extra bag. All depends what you want to do….
Although of course a professional camera will take better pictures, what I like about today's phone technology is if you don't have your camera gear with you, and you see a picture worth taking, the phone is getting good enough that it can suffice and you won't walk about without the shot. I have found on multiple occasions, especially on vacation where I don't want to lug around my camera gear everywhere I go I can still scope out photo opportunities and grab them. The iPhone 14 pro RAW camera system is very solid and I've taken some great keepers using it over the last 6 months.
It's all in the setting Gav. Aspect ratio and recording raw is in the settings
Although the native aspect ratio varies between the sensors which may lead to a bigger crop than expected.
(on my phone at least)
Definitely interested to see what you can do mate.
I just got the 14ProMax and doing my own tests right now. Pretty impressed with the Milky Way shots so far.
When i first started hiking, all my learning about photography was from the use of my Samsung Note 5 (Now using a Note 20 Ultra before upgrading to an Galaxy s23 Ultra). I then bought a dslr and my landscape photography went up from there. I'd like to see more videos like just to see a more seasoned photographer's perspective into using a smartphone for photography.
On an IPhone, for shots like this, shoot a “live” photo, select image in photo library then swipe up and select “long exposure”. Job jobbed.
Interesting video & nice to see your comparison. I will not use my phone for landscape photography as the shots are terrible. I will only use it for family snaps, & finding a composition. I like my fuji xt3.
This was interesting, the frustrations you had with the phone due to it being unfamiliar to you are just the same as I have as a complete beginner with a DSLR that's a whole new world to me. I guess it's all about learning and understanding the equipment that you’re using.
I could see that the aspect ratio in your phone settings was on 'Full' - probably explains why you felt some images were pano-like. If you tap that setting button you can choose from a variety of usual aspect ratios. I've tried Samsung's pro camera mode and it is a PITA to be honest. I can't understand why smartphone manufacturers keep upping the mega pixels when the sensors are too small anyway.
I still have 7 mins to watch! 😀
Well, I'm all for some more phone experiments. I frequently find the phone is all I have because it's too risky or cumbersome to have a full sized camera with me.
Saddly, I don't think they will ever have 'real' aperatures. The tiny sensor makes it physically impossible. I remember my excitement when I bought a Mavic 2 pro with a real aperature on board! The lens is so wide that depth of field was secondary to just slowing down the shutter speed. A big problem is that diffraction takes over with any setting over f4.
Phones are 'fixing' all these issues with software and not optics. More likely it will be in the camera's firmware than any app.
Soon enough you will just ask your phone for a picture of a waterfall.
looking forward to seeing what you will be able to get the phone to do Gavin
It will be interesting to see how the next generation of phones perform. I never took phone photography seriously until a recent trip to Italy where I left my camera kit in my hotel room to go out to dinner. There were some good night shot compositions on the way back to the hotel and my Pixel 5a just killed it in low light and no tripod. So my kit spent the last 3 days in my hotel room. But for landscape outings I can't live without the apurture adjustment and focal length range.
Thanks again for the Video Gavin. Interesting comparison. I remember watching a comparison with a 50MP Huawei phone. Very similar results on screen to yours. Impressive on screen. However, the You Tuber did discover a large difference in image quality/detail when he printed the shots out at full size. He determined that the 50MP phone printed at the equivalent quality and detail of a 12MP image taken by a DSLR or Mirrorless camera. Many reasons to stick to using a camera. But the phone is a great tool if you happen to be out with no gear.
Old cameras find new life with the newest software! Thrift store specials that save the RAW files rock!
I agree we all need to continue learning how to use our cameras better whether they cost $100, $600 or $6,000. And if theyre the Mirror or not types. But there are many Moble Phone Professional Photographers out there. You can find them in the the different Photography Magazines. Im using them in conjunction with many comments from knowledgeable people on this channel how to use picture formats, etc Ive been struggling with, thanks. I am a Landscape Photographer. I'm using 2 moble phones mostly the Note 10. I have Dyslexia and severe Inattentive ADHD. I just point and shoot. Having a background in Art. It helps with my perception, composition of my pictures. I take multiple pictures at different angles as well different times a day to understand how the light effects the area. Its alot of studying as well observation and Im excited when everything comes together. My lenses are cracked from me dropping the phone yes with a case. Several yrs ago I learned about Light /Night Photographers. Thats alot of money buying necessaryequipment. But, I can get similar pictures without. The shattered lenses are my opportunity to create starburts and other cool effects.. I also have a Galaxy A13 5G, it doesn't compare with the Note 10, but Im still learning from both cameras in the Pro Mode, playing with the ISO, EV, WB etc. I have also created Photobooks. And this yr, Im going to send pictures from both cameras to the International Moble Phone Competion. Ive not yet done any app editing though Ive watched variety of RUclips Photographer utlize,( the layering effect has my attention), but so far past 5yrs I do my editing on both phones. I know we all have our favorites we're loyal to. And I like control of my own creativity without using the AI. I dont do social media. Too much bullying or drama. Im not interested in being a blogger or having a channel.I find RUclips the best & has many creative education channels, of artists, professional Photographers etc Im also an Mixed Media Artist. My cousin is a retired Portrait Photographer. I send/share with my ongoing experiments. I grew up with point and shoot Kodaks. Ive had a professional used Nikkon with a superb telephoto lensed that I used experiment in Micro in 09' and a DSR Nikon Digital that I didnt like. I found it to complicated with so many gadgets on it. It overwhelmed my poor brain. I haven't tried a Mirror-less 1 yet. But the Moble Phone Camera has reopened my opportunity, to do more than dream to start my own business. As for us old timers, AI, is being threaded in everything the internet is so much a part of our lives now. Im in my 50s. So where you stand, what equipment you utilize.. its ok. I gave that Digital Nikon to a friend. He recently found a complete Canon AE-1 Camera with everything for $25.00. My cousin said her Dad had 1 and she started her Photography using it. And now, the interest of Black & White Photography has returned as well. Im already been experiment with this too. So I believe my moble Phones are teaching me, Im learning how to better use this other camera once I remember to buy some batteries.
There will always be a difference when the sensor of a smartphone is 1/6th the size of a full frame sensor. Smartphones work decently in good light but the dynamic range will suffer in low light conditions.
I manage a lot of projects at work that involve print production and one of the things we've noticed about phone photos (besides general quality issues) is that only some phones permit downloading of their images in a large file size. So, we may be provided a decent-enough phone camera image, but the file is so small that it'll only print about the size of a large postage stamp.
Geez, you’d think somebody would make an app for that 😃
I was reading that the mid range on an iPhone 14Pro is 48MP, but on the ultra wide end or the zoom range, it's 12MP. So that's something to keep in mind. Plus the F stop is deceiving because on that small of a phone sensor, an f1.8 isn't going to be anywhere near an f1.8 on a full frame sensor. Plus, the dynamic range and focus points are important to me. I have the iPhone 14pro, and it does OK for what it is, but I would never want to shoot an indoor event with it, or an outdoor sporting event.
Great video as usual. That was a stunning shot from your phone. I have found, as you noted that phones are a real pain to use for photography - too many unclear settings and very fiddly to use. I think you are right that a tripod is needed to use any of the manual settings so doesnt make the phone a particularly portable option for landscape photography. I usually give up or 'snapshot' landscapes so have learnt Im better off with a small compact camera rather than the phone camera. However, Ive got lots of pretty good flower/mushroom photos and 'intimate' landscape photos with my S22 ultra due to the massive depth of field from the tiny sensor. It cant compete with my EOS R or even my Sony RX100V though in anything other than almost always being with me.
One valid point is camera phones have gone a long way in even 5 years. ‘proper’ cameras haven’t really changed in 10 years. One example is overheating on videos which phones don’t seem to do. A 15 year old Nikon d300 will be comparable to a new slr for same price.
Very interesting, having just invested in a Samsung.....but I won't be tempted to ditch the dslr in favour of it. I mainly use the phone when scouting-out shots ....being rather rotund, I prefer to carry a minimal amount of additional weight when out walking/waddling....If something catches my eye, I'll return with the pro-gear (once I've recovered from the physical exertion 🤣). I've not personally used the Samsung camera (yet)....but found in the past that the Huawei P30 Pro smartphone really packed a punch with the camera.....but still not near the quality of the dslr.
I've been using my phone to take those photos you would have missed otherwise, usually while out walking the dog, or on an errand somewhere. I use the ProCam X app which does give me a fair bit of control (without the aperture). It does not replace my regular camera however, especially while travelling in risky areas. I would still use a small older camera/lens combo that I wouldn't cry if stolen, holding up a cell phone for a photo in that situation invites unwanted attention. Other locals where you have time and purpose, would still use the standard camera stuff.
I'm no pro by any means, but before I received the gift of a T6i I'd like to think I put some effort into my iPhone photos. That's what gets me the most -- Instagram turning from a photo app to a garbage snapshot app, and people not putting much thought into the photos they're taking.
The best-result S23 photos you have looked really great to me, because effort was put into making them look the best they could look.
Gavin, I really like this topic and what you've done here.
BUT, you should've done a little bit of research about the camera app and the best settings for it. It's the same as any other tool really, you need to know it a fair bit to get the best out of it.
There were plenty of settings that were not ideal. The video setting was at "Full", which actually just deceases the resolution to crop into the sensor and fill the display.. It should be set to 16:9 for full res video. 4K preferably.
I find this interesting for sure. I've done the same with waterfalls with my phone. It is actually very capable and, with enough effort, I think I could get very close to my full frame. However, it takes longer to capture, because you do have to bracket more (due to poor dynamic range - and I've even focus bracketed with it). You do have to struggle more with filters. And then you have to spend more time post-processing all the extra files. But, to me, the worst is this: once it's on the tripod I can't just flip up the screen to SEE what's happening.
Great video, I could feel the frustration when you were setting up the camera on the phone! 😅
You picked an interesting time to try this "experiment". I'm currently traveling in Italy and just had my full frame camera and lenses stolen in Rome. So I've been forced to use my Samsung S21 for all those shots I'd planned for months.
Oh no! I'll strike Rome off my list.
Glad you did this comparison so I didn't have to. Phones still have a ways to go to be competitive with digital cameras. But, it is impressive, what they can do. I'll settle for mirrorless camera systems becoming smaller and lighter while keeping full frame sensors..
Interesting to see how a pro photog interacts with a phone system for the first time. I've never really taken my phone to that level but am interested to try out some more of its capabilities after seeing you poke around on yours. I liked all the phfaffing about! Fwiw I have a relatively new iPhone 14 Pro (finally retired my 7 plus!) and one thing is for certain: it can zoom in quite a bit more on the raw images. (To enable raw, 48mp capability in the new iPhones, go into the Settings and in the camera section, select Apple ProRAW on and set the resolution from 12 -> 48mp. Then in the app you'll have the option to shoot in raw by clicking the "RAW" which is, by default, crossed out.
The cameras in most smartphones are genuinely amazing, now. I have the iPhone 14 Pro, and the 48MP RAW files out of that - particularly on the standard wide lens (vs the ultra-wide or tele) - are sometimes better than from my R5. And the 4K video files, even with the selfie camera, are extraordinary. I shoot all my in-car footage with it, now. They're still crap in low light, but in good light, the phone cameras are seriously good. I can't wait to see what they'll be able to do in another 2-3 years. But all that said, the photos themselves still run a distant second to the process of getting outside and faffing about with a full-frame camera. As a practice - as a form of artistic meditation - the 'old' way is still the best (for me, anyway).
My old Samsung (4 I think) went from jpg to raw/pro setting with a quick swipe to the right. How to get there now is one of the greater mysteries of life 🤷♀️. I have a cheap Google Pixel phone that takes pretty good photos, and an iPhone 12 that suffers in comparison. Go figure. Phone is good for snapshots and my silly videos and so far that’s all they’ll ever be good for. Oh, and for watching cat videos 😹. I’ll stick with my Nikon.
Thanks for the video Gavin!
Absolutely loved this comparison. Yes, please do another attempt with the IPhone if possible. I currently have the IPhone 14 Pro Max. Would be curious to see how a different system compares whatever IPhone it may be.
In my experience, my S22 Ultra isnt as good as my Canon 77D with my L lenses. I really only use the phone camera to get photos of my cats or goofy photos of myself.
The best example that I've got for comparing my phone's camera and my actual camera was from last month's Northern Lights show. The phone photos were all right, but the photos from my camera were magnifi-qua.
Great video Gavin, keep up the good. I mount my smartphone in the hotshot in bracket to video what I am taking photos of. This can be wildlife, aishoes, motor sport and even portraits. As the model sometimes wants video content for their IG feed.
Yes yes, i am definitely interested in this type of content, so continue in ti please (i know that it will be hard because of all of the specialists in comments, but i would like to see this type of videos). 👍
“I’m going to do one of those stupid and pointless comparison videos”. You had me at stupid. 😂 Great vid, humorous and fun to watch. Well done 👍🏼👍🏼
It's definitely a 'good' picture that is being achieved by the phone, but it's still not on the level of a modern mirrorless at all. I find phones do well until you start to zoom in. Cool comparison...great waterfall.
For what it's worth, 7 months later... I like these comparisons. They show what can be done within the limitations of an all round device and probably highlight appeal to a less mobile audience who can't lug around bags of equipment but, would like to take better images. These people do exist and live among us... Believe it or not.
Reading the comments, you'd think photogs were the only people left wandering the bad bush and that the tech world should cater to them or, they're just so self absorbed, they just don't consider other people's physical needs.
Anyway, well done pal. I'm sure my fibro friends will appreciate something like this and finally accept that all hope is not lost and they aren't relegated to the instabin of cat photos only
Good job. If you like to get a phone to replace a camera, the S23 Ultra would have been a better choice for a side to side comparison between thoose two systems.
Smartphones are definitely coming on. Their convenience is something not to be denied especially if you like sharing directly to other apps. But I often use mine to preview a scene too. To check out a composition for example. It's certainly more convenient than the Polaroid backs we used to have 😂. Camera phones also appeal to those who need instant gratification and immediate results. I'll sometimes be setting up a shot. Tripod, lenses, filters etc and a family member will fire off a few frames on their phone with a certain smugness. It's true that getting a decent photo requires a "proper" camera and a lot more effort, but the results will always be worth it to those who appreciate what a really good image looks like 👍
Very funny and had me laughing😂
They are surprisingly good pics. Only trouble is, most people dont bother wanting to know about shutter speeds, apertures or iso. Thing is, if they could get to grips with these basics then it would really encourage manufacturers to up their game especially as most pictures are taken using a mobile. Imagine that, a phone as good as a pro camera. I'd ditch my Z7!
Great vid and laugh out loud factor was 4 today and thats very good😂😂😂
Lightroom Mobile has a built-in camera app that processes the RAW DNG much better than the stock camera app. I was very surprised when I tested it on my S22 Ultra. Only drawback is Lightroom Mobile only uses the main camera, so you're not getting access to the other focal lengths.
Was there ever going to be a doubt ? Mind you that last image. Quite surprising. I enjoyed your frustration all the same
Since your phone is a crop sensor, you should be able to add a correction of something like 7x to the aperture. The full-frame equivalent is likely f13-ish. I think that makes sense seeing the resulting images. What do you think Gavin?
A RX100 or G7 is probably a good compromise between portability and function.
Great video. I like the freshening of the content.
One suggestion that I would appreciate seeing would be a summary of your recommendations to optimize phone settings for photography with your model. It was a little tough to follow the outcome of your experience towards the end.
I'm in a similar boat to you, although not a professional. I love using my Z7 ii and a 24-70/f2.8 or 14-24mm for landscapes, but sometimes with a family, it's not practical to carry my gear everywhere.
If I see a shot, I'd like to use the tools on my phone to take a decent photo and have it not be garbage quality.
Very interesting; thanks Gavin; I’ll not be ditching my proper camera system anytime soon!
This was interesting! I enjoy evrything you do!
Great video. The Tomas Heaton metaphor was brilliant. :P
Absolutely, maybe use an I phone 14 Pro Max to see what it can do but I'm very interested in the results. I have the 14 Pro Max and my son-in-law has the new S23 Samsung and I feel the Iphone does a better job but do not know if you have as much pro features as I see you have with your Samsung. Love, love you videos but do miss your wife being in your video. After all she is easy on the eyesand very funny when you guys are together. Thanks again for all your videos. Yes, I am subscribed.
I have the iPhone 14 Pro and upgraded primarily for the new camera. I still find that I use it mostly for quick snapshots, mostly of my cat. I've used both the Apple photo app as well as Halide and it's just not particularly fun to shoot with in the way that an actual camera is. I prefer physical controls instead of tapping on the screen to change my settings, and I've found that working with Apple's raw files in Lightroom isn't fun at all either.
I was looking forward to this one Gavin, ta!
In my own experience, it doesn’t even take an expensive camera like your A1 to outperform a phone - I can get significantly better shots with my little Fuji X-E3 and 15-45mm kit lens, combined cost (to me) of around £350, compared to my iPhone 13 Pro Max.
A $9000 difference? No, but that image could also be captured on a pro camera for less than an A1 setup and still have the desired dynamic range. Like you, I'm optimistic for the future of phones, but still not quite there to replace it.
Really interesting video.
I have no thought or plan of replacing my cameras and lenses with a phone camera anytime soon, but regardless, I still found this an interesting watch, thank you.
hi gavin, i think you should change the aspect ratio to 3:4, because other aspect ratio are just cropped from 3:4
My thoughts exactly
Some might say that you have opened up a can of worms with this one Gavin, but I for one think it's a ruddy interesting topic. At the mo I think the phone cameras have a long way to go to make them a "pro" option. But for those quick snaps etc... enough said. Then again, is the quality diference worth the 9k... Another ruddy good video, thanks.
Phone cameras have their weaknesses but like anything you need to perfect your skills to get the best results. Usually the main camera rather than the ultra wide on a phone will give better images as generally manufacturers prioritize the main sensor. Clip on filters and using 3rd party apps while including bracketing will help but of course, the sensor is tiny so will never compete with a real camera. I actually prefer a real camera for photography purely because aperture but for most social media where nobody will notice you took it with a phone, it'll do.
I did an article on the Samsung Members Forum between my S22 Ultra and LUMIX S1 with both in auto
To be honest I was quite surprised by how good the phone was. But really a small phone sensor can’t compete with a full frame sensor
But with phone sensor improvements as they go on, will obviously get better
The one thing that will stop me just using a phone. It’s just more long winded to fiddle around with camera settings on a phone. As you found out
Yes interested in more content but printing will really show the difference I suspect
pro mode on samsung phones does shoot raw files and they're decent. Gavin you should check the save options features in your camera settings when you open pro mode. you probably had the jpeg/raw copies switched off.
agreed... in the Pro mode you can get some decent raw files with control of aperture, shutter speed and ISO. Given its relatively small sensor, it is not as good as my R5.
@@josecavazos1194 Apple ProRAW is just something else !! occasionally I still use an old Samsung s10+ and the raw files are acceptable but the raw files that come out of the IPhone 14 pro are just amazing. the IPhone has literally killed the point and shoot camera market. that being said, I agree no smartphone will ever replace my cameras.
I thought that was quite interesting Gavin. I hope you continue to experiment.
Hi Gavin, it will be interesting to see more tests with phone camera. I enjoy your shows and give me good laugh before a long week ahead. Regards Stuart Potgieter South Africa.
I was talking to someone recently about phone camera and pro mirror less cameras
Why hasn't apple made a pro mirror less camera with interchangeable lenses
The programing in the iPhones can give better looking photos instantly
Detail in the sky etc
Sometimes you have to bracket on a more pro camera to achieve the same effect
Surely it won't be long for something like this is put in to production after all, sony make both
Gavin, I just purchased the Google Pixel 7 Pro. I haven't done a deep dive into the camera app, but the night mode (NightSight in Google speak) kinda blew me away- stars were in focus and almost as sharp as my A7III. There's a lot of multi-image AI in the capture, but really impressive for a phone. Things fall apart in the deep shadow foreground when you zoom in of course, but still.
Would love to see you test more phones Its not about the gear its about images and memories A7R4 user
It's not about the gear?.... from someone who straight up admitted they own what was Sony's flagship camera just two years ago 😂
I have Samsung Galaxy S21, some of my best sunrise pics are from that phone during my morning runs. But I don't think I could blow any of them up for a wall hanger, looks good on Instagram though 🙂
Fun content- I’ve been wanting to do this same experiment with my low light photography. I primarily use my phone with the Viewfinder II app for scouting comps- it displays frame lines in the image with a variety of focal length choices, giving you somewhat of a preview.
FYI Gav, there is a RAW option you have to set to get RAW files from samsung's pro camera (at least on my Note 10). You can also change the aspect ratio to the native 4:3 on the camera (Pro or otherwise) hope this helps!
Great zinger about Tom Heaton. Coffee came out my nose!!! 😂
Would be nice to see a video showing large prints comparison.
Great video Gavin!!! Try expert raw mode, I even do astro with my s22 , and it's not a full frame camera but you can do great images.
Smart phones are not going away anytime soon and their cameras are getting better and better. Looking forward to your next video on this topic as there is a lot more we can all do to get more from our smart phones. Thanks for sharing 🎉
Good video. I am sure phone cameras will continue to improve but for now, I will continue to say "My cameras don't make phone calls.
If you just want to take photos, use a phone, if you want to learn how to take photos, use a camera
You have JPG resolution set to "Full", which does not mean full sensor resolution, but full screen resolution. If you tap on where it says Full you can change that to 50MP or standard 12MP
Sad when $10,000 cameras (Nikon Z8 included) have to rely on a phone for GPS co-ordinates. At least you can still change the battery.
Enjoyed your video and I would like to see more comparisons.
Is it just me or Does Heaton look like he should be travelling with a great dane and be eating scooby snacks?
On the last comparison, in ACR you had the highlight slider down on the A1 shot, but “not moved” on the phone shot. I think there may have been at least a little recoverable detail in the “apparently” blown highlights if you’d pulled the slider down some. ??
Sunset for me, but like them all. Lovely location. 😮
JoshuaPeg also put a video out on this earlier this week.
If you look at it as a good place for beginners to start from, it really does make sense. Most of us have a smartphone on us.
I shoot with the iPhone 14 Pro and have pretty good results obviously it’s not as good as my Canon R5 but for hiking and mountaineering it’s bloody good.
I also have the 14 Pro Max and the R5…of course the iPhone doesn’t have the same dynamic range as the R5…but for a multipurpose device like a phone it’s not half bad…plus he didn’t shoot in RAW which would have made a bit of a difference