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Such important information. I’m the 64 yo beneficiary of Naiman’s nutritional knowledge along with Dr’s Berry, Saladino, Cywes, Ekberg, and others. Animal based for last 4+ years and have never been stronger or healthier!! This is bio-chemistry nutrition at long last. SAD is responsible for so much illness, disease and yes, deaths. 😓
Minute 5:47. Thanks excellent question. As an older small, somewhat muscular active female, if I try to get up to the 120 grams of protein, my stomach feels like a lead ball after a few days. So I take a break and eat lots of veg, some non fat yogurt, raspberries, some whey protein; a somewhat higher carb and bit lower protein until I feel normal again. I’m tracking my food so I can figure out what my upper limit of protein is. I can do advanced line dance, a fair amount of resistance training, I stay active also walking dog and housework. My gene report says I’m in the upper 13% of people capable of building muscle. I just don’t understand why I cannot get my protein up to 120. Oh well. I’m just tracking, paying attention to how I feel, and adjusting day by day. Overall, though I am biased to Dr. Niamans approach, I like it. I’ll get there but not at 120 grams of protein (yet) no matter how lean or how much fat I titrate. I’ve often wondered if it’s because I’m female. Maybe my illeal brake hits hard. It feels like it. Maybe I have my own personal “J” curve on all the variables/ macros.
Wow, this is different than the conventional wisdom. It makes me feel better about my OMAD routine, which I have been questioning. I really need to do a deeper dive on this. Many thanks for another interesting, entertaining, and thought-provoking series, Richard.
Interesting interview. A balance has to be found between protein intake to keep our muscles and stimulation of mtor. Sport is always a good way but not everyone succeeds in making lots of sports.
If all protein is the same as it is essentially broken down into the amino acids, then why does the research on collagen show specific benefits on skin, bones etc vs other protein sources? I appreciate the amino acid ratio theory presented regarding animal and plants etc. But there seems to be some other complexities here. Also some proteins stimulate more blood sugar for example whey isolate which is less favoruable in one looking to keep blood sugar levels within optimal ranges. What do you think?
I've started using Optimal Amino protein - made from bio-fermentation - which is supposedly the perfect mix of essential amino acids targeted at muscle intake. It was developed by measuring protein breakdown byproducts in different amino acid balances and the fewer byproducts found, the more the amino acids were absorbed directly by muscles. There are studies on this that several companies tout in their protein supplement product descriptions - Optimal Amino is just the cheapest. All that to say - would be great if you could do a segment on the pros and cons of protein products like this and the science behind them. Thanks!
Hi Ken, Thanks for the sharing, I had not heard of Optimal Amino or the idea of building the optimal mix. Interesting, and it makes sense in that protein is broken down into the aminos in the gut so it should just be the mix that matters. Let me look into it. Would be best if I could find an expert to discuss.
Populations with the highest protein intakes tend to have the shortest lifespans, the merchants of protein really need to explain that. Not causation....but it's happening....how are they related?
Hi Lucky, thanks for you comments. If we look at this from the country level this is not what I see. You can find tables for expected life span and protein consumed per person on the internet. I should do a proper analysis, but a quick check. Number 1 longevity is Hong Kong. They do not appear on the protein chart but China is there at 89 g/day. Japan is next for longevity, 92 g/day. India, a low protein country, is a position 136 in the life expectancy ranking and eats 56 g/day.
@@ModernHealthspan Dr. Greger had a video that explained that the China data is based on old results and now that they have been eating more animal proteins their life spans are declining. Death by diet takes some time to begin showing up in population studies. Cutting out dairy and animal protein reversed my stage III kidney failure. I'm always a little nervous when someone says to eat lots of protein or lots of saturated fat, both seem to increase all cause mortality.
There are so many Old Wives Tales about food. Kitchen Wisdom is subject to the Chinese Whispers Effect. Through constant repetition, it is mistaken for fact.
When Dr. Naiman says that more lysine or a greater concentration of protein containing more lysine is "better," he means better for building muscle and putting the body in an anabolic state. But this doesn't mean that it will increase longevity- in fact, quite the opposite occurs. People with more muscular development and a greater state o anabolism actually live a shorter lifespan. Anabolism actually encourages cancer growth among other chronic diseases. Dr. Rhonda Patrick discusses this in one of her videos as does Dr. Greger in his discussion of MTOR.
Sounds all very logical and convincing. However, from PMID 26713355: Some humans have low proteolytic capacity, which also increases the survival of intact or partially intact proteins to the colon. Proteins that reach the colon no longer serve as a direct amino acid supply to the host: the colon does not secrete digestive proteases to break them down and contributes little to net amino acid absorption. Some of the protein arriving in the colon serves as an amino acid source for colonic microbes. Incomplete digestion increases colonic microbial protein fermentation (putrefaction), which produces toxic metabolites that can induce inflammation in vitro and have been associated with inflammation in vivo. Prospective human and animal studies demonstrate that excess protein in the diet can lead to damage in the colon (increased relapse risk in ulcerative colitis in humans, increased colonic DNA damage and thinned colonic mucus barrier in rats, depending on protein type, reduced brush border membrane height in rats, decreased telomere length and increased DNA breaks in colonic cells of rats fed red meat.
If you do a search (and I did), in observational studies, even after adjusting for cofounders, plant protein beat animal in protein in mortality and disease risk in almost all studies, at least that's the case with the first 20 results from a google search. In the first 20 results, I did, however, find one study where animal protein did seemingly beat plant protein (The Inchinati Study).
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Such important information. I’m the 64 yo beneficiary of Naiman’s nutritional knowledge along with Dr’s Berry, Saladino, Cywes, Ekberg, and others. Animal based for last 4+ years and have never been stronger or healthier!! This is bio-chemistry nutrition at long last. SAD is responsible for so much illness, disease and yes, deaths. 😓
But cancer.
Hi Ann, thanks for sharing. Dr. Naiman's explanation does make sense and great to hear that it is working for you.
How have I not heard of the ileal brake? Fascinating! And so helpful. No wonder I never experience any real satiety with smaller, more frequent meals.
Dr Naiman is impressive. Would enjoy getting an update from him each year. ;-)
Hi Roger, thanks. We will see what we can do!
this series is very interesting and practical, thank you you both!
Minute 5:47. Thanks excellent question. As an older small, somewhat muscular active female, if I try to get up to the 120 grams of protein, my stomach feels like a lead ball after a few days. So I take a break and eat lots of veg, some non fat yogurt, raspberries, some whey protein; a somewhat higher carb and bit lower protein until I feel normal again. I’m tracking my food so I can figure out what my upper limit of protein is. I can do advanced line dance, a fair amount of resistance training, I stay active also walking dog and housework. My gene report says I’m in the upper 13% of people capable of building muscle. I just don’t understand why I cannot get my protein up to 120. Oh well. I’m just tracking, paying attention to how I feel, and adjusting day by day. Overall, though I am biased to Dr. Niamans approach, I like it. I’ll get there but not at 120 grams of protein (yet) no matter how lean or how much fat I titrate. I’ve often wondered if it’s because I’m female. Maybe my illeal brake hits hard. It feels like it. Maybe I have my own personal “J” curve on all the variables/ macros.
Great conversation about protein
Hi J S , thanks!
Wow, this is different than the conventional wisdom. It makes me feel better about my OMAD routine, which I have been questioning. I really need to do a deeper dive on this.
Many thanks for another interesting, entertaining, and thought-provoking series, Richard.
Hi Abraham, thanks for your comment, and glad you are enjoying Dr Naiman. I do find his straight forward approach to nutrition refreshing.
I would look up Dr. Lyons
Interesting interview. A balance has to be found between protein intake to keep our muscles and stimulation of mtor. Sport is always a good way but not everyone succeeds in making lots of sports.
Thank you Richard.
If all protein is the same as it is essentially broken down into the amino acids, then why does the research on collagen show specific benefits on skin, bones etc vs other protein sources?
I appreciate the amino acid ratio theory presented regarding animal and plants etc. But there seems to be some other complexities here.
Also some proteins stimulate more blood sugar for example whey isolate which is less favoruable in one looking to keep blood sugar levels within optimal ranges. What do you think?
I've started using Optimal Amino protein - made from bio-fermentation - which is supposedly the perfect mix of essential amino acids targeted at muscle intake. It was developed by measuring protein breakdown byproducts in different amino acid balances and the fewer byproducts found, the more the amino acids were absorbed directly by muscles. There are studies on this that several companies tout in their protein supplement product descriptions - Optimal Amino is just the cheapest. All that to say - would be great if you could do a segment on the pros and cons of protein products like this and the science behind them. Thanks!
Hi Ken, Thanks for the sharing, I had not heard of Optimal Amino or the idea of building the optimal mix. Interesting, and it makes sense in that protein is broken down into the aminos in the gut so it should just be the mix that matters. Let me look into it. Would be best if I could find an expert to discuss.
Populations with the highest protein intakes tend to have the shortest lifespans, the merchants of protein really need to explain that. Not causation....but it's happening....how are they related?
I agree with you. Most research indicates longevity comes with lower protein intake!! Protein is hard on the kidneys and the liver!!
Hi Lucky, thanks for you comments. If we look at this from the country level this is not what I see. You can find tables for expected life span and protein consumed per person on the internet. I should do a proper analysis, but a quick check. Number 1 longevity is Hong Kong. They do not appear on the protein chart but China is there at 89 g/day. Japan is next for longevity, 92 g/day. India, a low protein country, is a position 136 in the life expectancy ranking and eats 56 g/day.
@@ModernHealthspan Dr. Greger had a video that explained that the China data is based on old results and now that they have been eating more animal proteins their life spans are declining. Death by diet takes some time to begin showing up in population studies. Cutting out dairy and animal protein reversed my stage III kidney failure. I'm always a little nervous when someone says to eat lots of protein or lots of saturated fat, both seem to increase all cause mortality.
best put it to the test w clocks
Great. I'm thinking of adding a lot more seafood to my diet so I can get a better protein to fat ratio.
There are so many Old Wives Tales about food. Kitchen Wisdom is subject to the Chinese Whispers Effect. Through constant repetition, it is mistaken for fact.
Hi Christopher, thanks for your comment. It is true, it is always worth checking where these stories came from.
Great questions 👏 thanks
When Dr. Naiman says that more lysine or a greater concentration of protein containing more lysine is "better," he means better for building muscle and putting the body in an anabolic state. But this doesn't mean that it will increase longevity- in fact, quite the opposite occurs. People with more muscular development and a greater state o anabolism actually live a shorter lifespan. Anabolism actually encourages cancer growth among other chronic diseases. Dr. Rhonda Patrick discusses this in one of her videos as does Dr. Greger in his discussion of MTOR.
That's leucine, not lysine.
So cool u got him😎💪🏼❤️
Sounds all very logical and convincing. However, from PMID 26713355:
Some humans have low proteolytic capacity, which also increases the survival of intact or partially intact proteins to the colon. Proteins that reach the colon no longer serve as a direct amino acid supply to the host: the colon does not secrete digestive proteases to break them down and contributes little to net amino acid absorption. Some of the protein arriving in the colon serves as an amino acid source for colonic microbes. Incomplete digestion increases colonic microbial protein fermentation (putrefaction), which produces toxic metabolites that can induce inflammation in vitro and have been associated with inflammation in vivo. Prospective human and animal studies demonstrate that excess protein in the diet can lead to damage in the colon (increased relapse risk in ulcerative colitis in humans, increased colonic DNA damage and thinned colonic mucus barrier in rats, depending on protein type, reduced brush border membrane height in rats, decreased telomere length and increased DNA breaks in colonic cells of rats fed red meat.
Can i take a 20+ amino acid supplement daily -rather than 80+gram protein (from whatever source)?
Look up Dr. layman
If you do a search (and I did), in observational studies, even after adjusting for cofounders, plant protein beat animal in protein in mortality and disease risk in almost all studies, at least that's the case with the first 20 results from a google search. In the first 20 results, I did, however, find one study where animal protein did seemingly beat plant protein (The Inchinati Study).
Hi Jack, that is interesting, thanks for sharing.
Go vegan and see how your body will disintegrate. You're free to do so
😏
Why am I gaining weight just eating protein?
Hi now that was interesting! Ps yes still here after a few years
Hi Merlin, thanks for your comment.
Stop worrying.
Let your body do the chemistry.
Appears that eating more protein is good for weight loss but bad for longevity.