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Engineering Explained what if we connect the shaft of the turbo to the engine (like a supercharger) and use the exhaust to drive it further? Sort of an amalgamation of a turbo charger and a super charger.. do you think the vacuum created in the exhaust port will be to large for the fins of the turbo to handle or will it help scavenge the exhaust more?
Caner That's in my opinion the biggest downside of turbocharged engines. They simple can't keep up with the sound to supercharged an NA engines. Best example: BMW straight 6 in the M3. How lovely do they sound in the NA configuration (e36/46) and how inferior and without any character in the nowadays turbocharged versions. They sound so bad that BMW actually tunes in fake engine sound through the speaker system :-(
Muhammad Isa Ansyari I swear I was just asking my self what's the difference between a turbocharger and supercharger last night before I went to bed last night
Just try driving silent electric car, with much more power than every gasoline car. Full power instant right now from the first millisecond. Without trying, you just don't know how beautiful it is... Much mire fun, than every noisy gasoline car.
@@gastongregory1167 just like it's really common for people who speak the same language to get to know each other, it's actually common for two deaf people to date... The cultural differences with any language barrier becomes easier
I dont understand how can u dislike a video with someone discussing their knowledge on something they have knowledge on. The brain is a terrible thing to waste.
Why do you think is it that both ways see implementation in modern cars? You may think it is because both have pros and cons depending on the situation and you couldn't be more correct.
@@MiraSubieGirl It's not about capacity it's whether your priority is NA-like fast throttle response and drivability or efficiency and outright performance. Turbos will always give you more power and efficiency but will also always give you lag.
@@BigUriel Turbos tend to give more efficiency, but power is really arbitrary. Typically the reason superchargers aren't as powerful is because they designed it to form a balance of efficiency. Essentially, you're trading snappiness for efficiency with a turbo.
@@BigUriel Oh sure! I generally mean though 4 bangers respond to Turbos much better than V8s. You can safely double 4 cylinder horsepower, but its not like turboing a 500hp V8 is going to get you close to 1000hp without major major work.
I really like how Mercedes has started this genius idea. It revs the turbo with an electric motor so that it gets that power. Once the exhaust really kicks in, it powers the turbos. It’s genius b/c u get that instant power and also get a lot of it
Yeah honestly hybrids are the future of sports/hyper cars having a second electric engine to power the gaps between gears or power turbos, etc has helped so much and the increase of HP they bring to the table alone.
@@jeremy144713 I had in mind something like a gas engine with a manual or automatic and an electric motor with a CVT with a transfer case to link the two trannies' outputs together to drive the wheels. You could run your car on all-electric mode in slow traffic (like a drive-thru or in a city), then turn the engine back on once you're on the road again. And the electric motor's instant torque means almost zero turbo lag.
I'm putting a 4.6 supercharged stroker in my 97 jeep wrangler. The reason I think it's best is exactly what you mentioned in that you know what you're getting from the throttle. Hard wheeling then all the sudden getting a huge boost of power with a turbo could get you into trouble. Great video 👍👍👍
Superb video. I just recently purchased a turbocharged engine vehicle and ALWAYS wondered of the difference. You explain things concisely and your visuals are on point. Thanks for your channel.
I have had turbocharged and supercharged cars and I personally would still pick the Turbo mainly because of the noise and the rush as it comes on at higher rpm.
That's what I like about DIRT BIKES!!! It's the throttle response and engine control. There is no greater "feeling" than the throttle control on a powerful engine!!! Especially when you're sitting on it!!!
Nicks 92 videos wow his opinion is wrong? Yours is arrogant and that's way worse Granted i loved the supercharger whine on (what used to be the) V8 supercars, esp. the Holdens (GMs for u in the states, they ran chevy motors anyway) and waste gate shutterring on a turbo annoys me (not as much as a wrx that sounds like a lawnmower), but opinions aren't "wrong" or "right" because you agree or disagree theyre expressed personal feelings on a matter Just say you disagree and say what you like about superchargers, like the dude making jet noises. Simple
That was probably one of the best and most cohesive explanations of the differences between the two I have ever heard. Thank you. And I wish I had your job
Jason, great video man. Been a loyal subscriber for years because of your delivery and research which seems to bring credibility to the information you provide on your channel. Thank you for sharing your awesomeness.
That final point about throttle communication is a very important one. I recently went for a lengthy night drive in my car - a Volvo S40 - which is a turbocharged, automatic-transmission vehicle. It has some serious power for a compact daily, but between its still-pretty-slushy and aged torque converter (which would at times allow the engine to wander in the 1300-1800 RPM range without changing gear *or* actually affecting the road speed) and the turbo (which starts spooling around 2000 rpm, but will lose the boost very quickly once I stop flooring it and therefore basically has 2 different torque curves depending on now depressed the throttle is) a lot of my fun or my feeling of control was sapped. I am pretty much certain that at least one of those aspects, most likely the automatic, will not be present in the next car I purchase. What I'm about to say is not directly related to the video, but I urge anybody here who can't operate a manual to learn to do so. It's much less arduous than some people make it out to be, and provides fun, control and - on older models at least - a vastly superior fuel economy potential.
As a soon to be engineer i really appreciate your videos i have spent so many hours on this channel over the last couple of years to learn. Thank you for the good content!
Never drove a super charged car before but this makes me really want to try. My car is turbo and pro tuned and the response seems pretty damn spot on. I have a lot of torque which is what I want for the rodes I drive but if a super charger is even more responsive I would love to see what that feels like.
Supercharged cars are so much nicer IMO because they just feel like a naturally aspirated car. So you have more control over the throttle and also you don’t get that nasty uncomfortable jolt like in some turbo cars when the turbo kicks in.
Supercharged/ naturally aspirated cars are much better for off-roading, which is something you didn’t cover. It relates to the throttle response/ rpm vs power. When you’re crawling along, or ripping through some mud, it’s helpful to get that power instantly. Also, if you’re in a tight situation, the sudden powerban from a turbo could put an unwanted amount of power to the wheels. Great video though, very informative
I've owned turbocharged engines and hated them because even the best design still has some turbo lag. The supercharged engines that I've owned were always a joy to drive with, because of the instant thrust and continued wider instant power band to performance ratio. I have to agree with your points on both engine variations, however and I enjoyed the video and honest evaluations.
Centrifugal superchargers are great for large engine cars where you already have decent low end grunt and getting a ton of top end power is very useful.
I am lucky enough to work on freight train engines, 3100hp. On test these units take 2 mins to make peak power. After 10 seconds or so the turbo starts to wind up to 32 psi like a jet engine taking off. As you say, the sound is something that runs though you and makes you smile. The turbo itself weighs just under a tonne, the engine weighs 32 tonnes, and the locomotive weighs 130 tonnes. ( I love these on test)
I had a 2014 Audi A7 and that super charger was actually very responsive. I now have a 2017 G90 and the twin turbo on the V6 are pretty good also there is a bit of turbo lag but it’s not noticeable to the untrained or informed person. I do miss that throw you back in the seat feeling with the A7.
Interested to see what the turbo vs super debate becomes with AMG's new e-Turbo. Basically they use an electric motor to lower the boost threshold to _almost_ eliminate turbo lag entirely. Still a teeny bit there since it takes time to get the crank shaft moving.
Turbo doesn't make free energy The exhaust gases have to escape as easy as possible, that's why bigger exhaust pipe=more efficient. The turbo is creating a resistance and thus using fuel energy in an indirect manner. Please correct this...
@@karlreisa3872 ofcource it does, supercharger too, what I mean it is a resistance if it is on the exhaust (turbo) or by a belt (supercharger). however, you need to remember that turbo works in high temperature and has a high rpm plus it needs an intercooler = additional weight. More over if the turbo go bad it is very likely that it will inject oil (turbo is oil cooled) into the engine instead of air which will destroy it in a matter of second...
Long story short. it is a resistance if it is on the exhaust (turbo) or by a belt (supercharger). however, you need to remember that turbo works in high temperature and has a high rpm = easy to break, plus it needs an intercooler = additional weight. More over if the turbo go bad it is very likely that it will inject oil (turbo is oil cooled) into the engine instead of air which will destroy it in a matter of second... Supper charger is better in every way, and more expensive, also harder to install. but some times you cannot have it duo to the lack of space...
@@SerajEmad You here whinning on the internet saying super charger is better while people out there who play with cars and engines everyday likes and use turbo charger because it handles better and is more cooler
Superchargers are for those of us that like instant gratification. 😅 Serious note: this video has been very informative. I respect and enjoy listening to both devices. Thank you! 👏🤘
great video, I like the idea of a very long stroke with a turbo charger. The biggest down side of the turbo is the intercooler.. I have 3 radiators on the front of myvehicle, one for the turbo, one for the engine coolant and one for the AC.
Yep. Turbos are very precision devices whose rotors can spin at up to 5000 revolutions _per second._ The internals have very tight tolerances and only work properly if they are fully warmed up and are getting clean oil delivered to them at all times. And yet my parents keep telling me that I don't need to warm my car up.
@@electric7487 shouldn't that technical sensitivity be compensated by higher oil quality? No modern engines are officially recommended an explicit warm up period, rather the contrary.
@@OmmerSyssel I have a rather modern turbocharged engine in my Volvo S40. It doesn't need a true, hard warmup, but it A) has a cold-start feature which helps with the initial stages of a warmup with a quicker idle and B) the manual states that you should refrain from revving the engine (and thus running the turbo hard) for the first several minutes of operation. All this points to the fact that even modern engines - especially turbocharged ones - are meant to only operate at peak power one they reach operational temperature, even if they're technically capable of doing so from startup.
Always better for longevity to let ANY engine warm up…also highly recommended to let them run at idle for a cool down period before shutting off, especially turbo(s)👌🏼
@@harryking4007 not when each of them run best at different ends of the rpm range, supercharger runs best at lower end while turbocharger runs best at upper end
I wish you would've gone over ease of installation, ease of tuning, compatibility, reliability, and durability, including how each type of compressor affects durability and reliability of the rest of the vehicle.
babybirdhome eh it depends. I prefer supercharging generally speaking, but the fab work if there are no kits for your vehicle is usually simpler for turbos imo. Tunability I think is simpler with sc's though, there's a more definitive relationship between rpm and airflow
Thank you. I didn't know how a turbocharger works until you explained it quite well. You seem to anticipate my questions without having stated them. Say for example you explained how the PCV valve works. My dealership called me in to replace the PCV valve which wasn't malfunctioning. After the replacement. I experienced a significant performance improvement. Also, you talked about lag with turbochargers as opposed to no lag with superchargers. Occasionally, I experience delay or lag when I put my foot down. I'm wondering if that has to do with it being an automatic transmission. As soon as the engine spools up in the right gear, then it tears out. It shifts fast and smooth but the delay occurs after deceleration on a turn. No more automatic transmissions for me!
I personally love the way the turbo boost winds up. It's exhilarating. Put your foot down. Wait for it. Wait for it.. Wait for it... Here it comes! Wooooo!!! I also enjoy the intricacy of throttle, gear, RPM, and timing control. It's not hard to stay in the powerband if you know your car.
You don't really have to choose between the two. Feed the supercharger output into the turbo intakes. It will help overcome turbo lag, get them spooling early and supplement them in times of need to achieve their full potential.
I think the better solution is to feed the turbos into the supercharger and then bypass the SC once the turbos' boost outflows it. To save fuel you could even de-clutch the SC at idle. The turbo versions of Detroit Diesel's 2-stroke Diesel engines did the exact same thing except the blower is always engaged and is required for scavenging. The turbos boost and scavenge once they've spooled up.
This is my solution. My Grandpa wanted me to find the difference between a Turbocharger and a Supercharger: so I decided to check out some videos on RUclips. This 1 is PERFECT 👌
Modern turbocharged cars have minimal turbo lag. My 2004 Audi hits peak boost at less than 2000rpms. Not to meantion theres newer cars out there that will hit peak boost before even 1600rpms.
honestly, the problem he mentioned about turbochargers having lag and superchargers having better pedal communication only applies if you are relatively new to the car. after spending some time with a turbocharged car, the driver should be able to fully understand its characteristics and thus will be able to get what exactly he wants from the car. most boosted racecars with experienced drivers who won't face the miscommunication issue use turbochargers and not superchargers for a reason. turbochargers and simply better if the driver is good.
Na dont agree at all. You need to spend alot of money on a turbo charged car to getnitntonthe same response as a supercharged factory standard car. Then you soend the same money on a already amaizng response supercharged car and you have annihilation of any turbocharged car.
Wow this dude is really smart he makes everything seem so simple and it makes total sense of everything, tons of knowledge, I think he said he was an automotive journalist should have been an engineer
He went to school to be an engineer from what I'm aware. Most of what I understand about cars comes from this channel. He puts complicated concepts into layman's terms and understandings which makes it very easy to learn.
Would be interesting to cover electric boosters too. Also, what about using an exhaust turbine to generate electricity and store in say a super capacitor and use that power for super charging?
Here's the problem with electric supercharging:. Where does the power come from? Ultimately the alternator. So instead of a belt driving the supercharger you're just using a belt to drive a larger alternator, creating your electricity, and then feeding that energy into an electric motor which is driving your supercharger. So more weight and complexity AND less efficiency.
Engine bay geometry can limit the application of superchargers. Turbos have a greater range of installation (location) options, plus you need to consider center of gravity when choosing location of the equipment
I've had both but I'll keep my twin turbo PLR 481x setup that I'm running now over everything that I've ever owned. Proline is the best company out there. They have helped me more than any other company I've dealt with in the past.
Is the energy lost from the engine powering the supercharger reclaimed by it's use? What I mean is, does a supercharger give back more power than a turbo after taking into account losses?
Excellent answer I would say the supercharger is more reliable and easier to build and make work properly. Turbos have that heating issue so if the car doesn’t come stock with turbo and you’re trying to make a no turbo car turbo. You’re going to have a hard time that thing is going to be heating everywhere specially if you’re a noob.
I prefer supercharger!! Nothing like having the power right there unlike having a boost a few moments later and that can be crucial in split second situations!!
You just need to.learn how to launch your car or do a better job of matching the right turbo to the right engine. I have NEVER had to wait for my turbo to spool. If you want moderate point and click power, go with a big ass blower. If you want to get the most out of your engine, choose the appropriate turbo for the car and learn how to f'ing drive.
No, they don't spoil fuel efficiency. A lot of manufacturers use chargers (usually turbochargers) to meet fuel efficiency requirements, since they can use a smaller engine.
I change the oil to my NA engine (5.0 Coyote) every 8000 KM (5000 mi) and looking to Twin turbocharge it (daily driver), what am I looking at in terms of oil changes after that? side note: I do not track it or race it; just the occasional pull every now and again. Will I have to change it ever 4000 KM (2500 mi) and cut the service in half? or what is the rule here. Appreciate your videos as they are very eye-opening. Regards,
Why twins if your not gonna put it on a track or strip?? Are you wanting your car in the look out crowed section?? An it all depends on set up but I'm pretty sure your internals won't hold twins that are set to make power .. go for a nice single turbo an a good tune . You'll have all the power you want to look cool an you'll still be able to control it
(A bit late...) FWIW I have had a supercharger and a turbocharger on an LS motor. Absolutely prefer the turbo, however it's a much bigger PITA to get up and running. The supercharger (procharger/centrifugal) didn't make much boost until upper rev range. More control with turbo, more fun, and sounds better.
Nitpick. A turbocharger is a supercharger, just a shortened description for convenience, i.e., the full technical name of a turbo is "turbo-supercharger. Superchargers are mechanically driven compressors. Turbos are exhaust turbine driven compressors. Soon we will have "electro-superchargers" (please don't say "electric turbos", which would be nonsensical) as manufacturers are introducing compressors driven by electric motors. These will have tremendous advantages over current mechanical technology, e.g., instant response and the ability to vary the compressor speed completely independently from the engine RPM's.
renault demonstrates an "electric turbo" on their RUclips (search "Renault Energy F1") , it's a turbocharger, with an EV system to pre spool the turbo, and capture waste energy while slowing, it's a standard turbo operating like a normal turbo most of the time.
Thanks for showing me your engine driven centifugal compressor supercharger. I had not seen one before. Presumably it has a boost curve somewhere between a linear twin screw machine and a square law exhaust driven turbo charger.
In terms of having "boost" pressure applied to the internal components, no. Boost is boost. Doesn't matter if it's a turbo- or super-charger. The only thing that would be a factor that I can readily think of, is the higher heat load a turbo-charger places on the oil. But, having said that, it's an issue that isn't too hard to deal with through the use of a "turbo timer", or a specialty oil and/or perhaps more frequent oil changes. In an extreme case some external auxiliary oil cooling may be warranted. But, both devices can cause accelerated wear of internal engine components vs. a "naturally aspirated" engine.
For me, it depends on application. My Cruze's turbocharger makes sense. I wanted a car that got a very high mpg, and found 42 to 50 highway, and the 1.4T certainly provides. As for Superchargers? Well, the Hellcat wouldn't be such a ballbuster with twin turbos. Also, fun fact, many modern turbochargers are coolant cooled, so the con of the oil suffering can be (mostly) disregarded.
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Engineering Explained make a video on double drs used in formula 1
Nooooooooooooo! What have you done! Not the turbo v supercharger argument! 😮😮
Very good as usual.
Engineering Explained what if we connect the shaft of the turbo to the engine (like a supercharger) and use the exhaust to drive it further? Sort of an amalgamation of a turbo charger and a super charger.. do you think the vacuum created in the exhaust port will be to large for the fins of the turbo to handle or will it help scavenge the exhaust more?
Jason please make video on power steering
@Engineering Explained can you make a video on the Achates Opposed Piston Engine,
Basically,
Bwaaaah Stututututu vs Weeeeeeeeee
I read this in Marty's voice.
Couldn't have said it my self
Imagine if supercharger would make noise like REEEEEEEEEE ou yeahhh
Koen Foo yes but turbos mute the sound thats coming from the exhaust. Superchargers not
Caner
That's in my opinion the biggest downside of turbocharged engines. They simple can't keep up with the sound to supercharged an NA engines. Best example: BMW straight 6 in the M3. How lovely do they sound in the NA configuration (e36/46) and how inferior and without any character in the nowadays turbocharged versions. They sound so bad that BMW actually tunes in fake engine sound through the speaker system :-(
I think this channel can read my mind. He knows everything what i want to know about cars.
Muhammad Isa Ansyari I swear I was just asking my self what's the difference between a turbocharger and supercharger last night before I went to bed last night
lmao
He's one of us
Muhammad Isa Ansyari same
Just try driving silent electric car, with much more power than every gasoline car.
Full power instant right now from the first millisecond.
Without trying, you just don't know how beautiful it is... Much mire fun, than every noisy gasoline car.
My wife and I both really love your videos but I don't hear very well and she is deaf. THANK YOU FOR CAPTIONING YOUR VIDEOS
Same
Sounds like a match made in heaven! Does she have a deaf sister?!
@@gastongregory1167 No lol her family refuses to learn to sign.
@@pilotavery That's selfish of them 😐
@@gastongregory1167 just like it's really common for people who speak the same language to get to know each other, it's actually common for two deaf people to date... The cultural differences with any language barrier becomes easier
I dont understand how can u dislike a video with someone discussing their knowledge on something they have knowledge on. The brain is a terrible thing to waste.
Good point...maybe those people don't like "-charging" at all..*lol*
Cant waste what you dont have...
Please forgive me for rephrasing your last sentence:
The brain is a good thing to have, which unfortunately someone doesn't.
Trolls be hating.
He gestures to the Turbo and calls it a Super and vise versa, confusing, probably just reading a script.
I swear, if this ends with “it depends “
Why do you think is it that both ways see implementation in modern cars? You may think it is because both have pros and cons depending on the situation and you couldn't be more correct.
Generally speaking "Big Capacity engine use a Supercharger, Small Capacity engine use Turbo".
@@MiraSubieGirl It's not about capacity it's whether your priority is NA-like fast throttle response and drivability or efficiency and outright performance. Turbos will always give you more power and efficiency but will also always give you lag.
@@BigUriel Turbos tend to give more efficiency, but power is really arbitrary. Typically the reason superchargers aren't as powerful is because they designed it to form a balance of efficiency. Essentially, you're trading snappiness for efficiency with a turbo.
@@BigUriel Oh sure! I generally mean though 4 bangers respond to Turbos much better than V8s.
You can safely double 4 cylinder horsepower, but its not like turboing a 500hp V8 is going to get you close to 1000hp without major major work.
I really like how Mercedes has started this genius idea. It revs the turbo with an electric motor so that it gets that power. Once the exhaust really kicks in, it powers the turbos. It’s genius b/c u get that instant power and also get a lot of it
Yeah honestly hybrids are the future of sports/hyper cars having a second electric engine to power the gaps between gears or power turbos, etc has helped so much and the increase of HP they bring to the table alone.
@@jeremy144713 I had in mind something like a gas engine with a manual or automatic and an electric motor with a CVT with a transfer case to link the two trannies' outputs together to drive the wheels. You could run your car on all-electric mode in slow traffic (like a drive-thru or in a city), then turn the engine back on once you're on the road again. And the electric motor's instant torque means almost zero turbo lag.
Sequencial turbo do the same thing.
@@electric7487 I get you point, so you need to switch manual or it has to be autonomous (self deciding) system ?
@@victorsimukoko9304 You manually switch the engine on or off.
He looks 20 and 40 at the same time
So 30.
I see 27
That's what engineer school will do to you
And he's actually nearly 60
Tom Scott energy
Supercharger.... Nah
Turbocharger....nah
Superturbocharger... yee-haw
Twincharger
It's called twincharging, and in my eyes, you get the best of both worlds.
@@datgamerboy123 Wasn't it used in the Lancia Delta S4?
@@Rob-326 yes. But only in a certain year. They ran a KKK K27 turbo and an Abarth Volumex supercharger. They had 32 lbs of boost.
that's called a twin charger
Never knew Beto O'Rourke was so informative about engines
But sounds like Napoleon Dynamite.
Lol 😂
Hell yes, we’re gonna take your naturally aspirated engines
Hell yes he's going to take away your Turbo and Superchargers
😂
This Channel is a tribute to physics and science application!
Long Live EE
Maximiliano Girardi he's sold his soul.....
TheUnbeen ....how do you figure?
Tribute to physics and science application? You could just say engineering
Not really, he is not using scientific units!
Being a tuner 101
I'm putting a 4.6 supercharged stroker in my 97 jeep wrangler. The reason I think it's best is exactly what you mentioned in that you know what you're getting from the throttle. Hard wheeling then all the sudden getting a huge boost of power with a turbo could get you into trouble. Great video 👍👍👍
Superb video. I just recently purchased a turbocharged engine vehicle and ALWAYS wondered of the difference. You explain things concisely and your visuals are on point. Thanks for your channel.
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it!
I did too except I didn’t know it at first
George Rivera ii
Do you know if you can turbocharge an automatic?
@@Swervy You absolutely can. The transmission has no effect on if you can Turbo your engine.
I have had turbocharged and supercharged cars and I personally would still pick the Turbo mainly because of the noise and the rush as it comes on at higher rpm.
That's what I like about DIRT BIKES!!! It's the throttle response and engine control. There is no greater "feeling" than the throttle control on a powerful engine!!! Especially when you're sitting on it!!!
Your opinion is wrong Superchargers make that nice whine sound like a jet.
Blower whine > turbo whistle.
I'm sorry, these are just facts.
"Facts" It's purely preference.
Nicks 92 videos wow his opinion is wrong? Yours is arrogant and that's way worse
Granted i loved the supercharger whine on (what used to be the) V8 supercars, esp. the Holdens (GMs for u in the states, they ran chevy motors anyway) and waste gate shutterring on a turbo annoys me (not as much as a wrx that sounds like a lawnmower), but opinions aren't "wrong" or "right" because you agree or disagree theyre expressed personal feelings on a matter
Just say you disagree and say what you like about superchargers, like the dude making jet noises. Simple
Biggest advantage a Turbocharger: "Ssssswududududududu"
Psssssss
The sound of fluttering is a problem
Jet noise / plane noise
sound of turbo spooling >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wastegate/bov
I think the major problem with turbos is the heating. They cause a lot of reliability issues if they’re not factory or a noob build.
That was probably one of the best and most cohesive explanations of the differences between the two I have ever heard. Thank you. And I wish I had your job
Jason, great video man. Been a loyal subscriber for years because of your delivery and research which seems to bring credibility to the information you provide on your channel. Thank you for sharing your awesomeness.
Very kind, thanks for watching and sticking around for so long!! Happy to hear it. :)
That final point about throttle communication is a very important one. I recently went for a lengthy night drive in my car - a Volvo S40 - which is a turbocharged, automatic-transmission vehicle. It has some serious power for a compact daily, but between its still-pretty-slushy and aged torque converter (which would at times allow the engine to wander in the 1300-1800 RPM range without changing gear *or* actually affecting the road speed) and the turbo (which starts spooling around 2000 rpm, but will lose the boost very quickly once I stop flooring it and therefore basically has 2 different torque curves depending on now depressed the throttle is) a lot of my fun or my feeling of control was sapped.
I am pretty much certain that at least one of those aspects, most likely the automatic, will not be present in the next car I purchase. What I'm about to say is not directly related to the video, but I urge anybody here who can't operate a manual to learn to do so. It's much less arduous than some people make it out to be, and provides fun, control and - on older models at least - a vastly superior fuel economy potential.
As a soon to be engineer i really appreciate your videos i have spent so many hours on this channel over the last couple of years to learn. Thank you for the good content!
great stuff jason... always watch your videos when the come out and havent seen a bad one
Really appreciate it, thanks for watching!
Don't understand how anybody could thumbs-down you.
You're articulate and knowledgeable. Thank you for the education.
Another well thought out video mate.
Much love from Australia.
Never drove a super charged car before but this makes me really want to try. My car is turbo and pro tuned and the response seems pretty damn spot on. I have a lot of torque which is what I want for the rodes I drive but if a super charger is even more responsive I would love to see what that feels like.
Supercharged cars are so much nicer IMO because they just feel like a naturally aspirated car. So you have more control over the throttle and also you don’t get that nasty uncomfortable jolt like in some turbo cars when the turbo kicks in.
@johncarry5989 The lag on a bigger turbo car can be very fun, makes the car feel faster when all the power comes in one kick.
Supercharged/ naturally aspirated cars are much better for off-roading, which is something you didn’t cover. It relates to the throttle response/ rpm vs power. When you’re crawling along, or ripping through some mud, it’s helpful to get that power instantly. Also, if you’re in a tight situation, the sudden powerban from a turbo could put an unwanted amount of power to the wheels.
Great video though, very informative
Im trying to figure out whether I want to put a super VS turbo in my 07 accord v6. This is very informative 🙏
Jason nailed it! Its the quality of inputs that makes a car great.
I've owned turbocharged engines and hated them because even the best design still has some turbo lag. The supercharged engines that I've owned were always a joy to drive with, because of the instant thrust and continued wider instant power band to performance ratio. I have to agree with your points on both engine variations, however and I enjoyed the video and honest evaluations.
For such a complicated subject, you actually made that pretty simple and easy to understand. Thanks dude, great video!
Centrifugal superchargers are great for large engine cars where you already have decent low end grunt and getting a ton of top end power is very useful.
There’s no sound more satisfying than hearing a turbo spool
I am lucky enough to work on freight train engines, 3100hp. On test these units take 2 mins to make peak power. After 10 seconds or so the turbo starts to wind up to 32 psi like a jet engine taking off. As you say, the sound is something that runs though you and makes you smile. The turbo itself weighs just under a tonne, the engine weighs 32 tonnes, and the locomotive weighs 130 tonnes. ( I love these on test)
@@robpotter1355 Jesus. A 2000 lb turbo. I've had entire cars that weigh that. That's awesome. What's the displacement on one of those engines?
@@rhull3939 not sure about displacement but it’s a Mirrlees MB275t if you want to google it yourself? Fitted to a British Rail class 60 locomotive.
@@robpotter1355 145 liter engine with 3100 horsepower and 106,500 foot pounds of torque. Crazy.
@@rhull3939 ya but what's the 0-60 lol , damm tho
I liked how you put this in layman's term so that anyone can understand the pros/cons of super charger vs turbo chargers, excellent presentation.
Love your ch. Bro you're very knowledgeable and can explain things in layman's term.
I love the feel of the turbo kicking in. You feel like the car is decently fast and then the turbo works it's magic and you take off like a rocket.
I've driven a setup with a twin turbo and a supercharger. Probably the best being put into my seat felling I've ever had.
I had a 2014 Audi A7 and that super charger was actually very responsive. I now have a 2017 G90 and the twin turbo on the V6 are pretty good also there is a bit of turbo lag but it’s not noticeable to the untrained or informed person. I do miss that throw you back in the seat feeling with the A7.
Interested to see what the turbo vs super debate becomes with AMG's new e-Turbo. Basically they use an electric motor to lower the boost threshold to _almost_ eliminate turbo lag entirely. Still a teeny bit there since it takes time to get the crank shaft moving.
i appreciate the drama of the turbo, so much fun and worth the split second wait
First car was a supercharged Grand Prix. Loved that 3800 engine so much.
Just bought an 05 GTP. Deceptively fast. And the response is excellent.
Those cars are amazing
I was on a computer and I couldn't like since I wasn't logged in. So I logged in just too like. This is how I feel too!
I appreciate the like, thanks for watching!
Totally agree, the heat from the exhaust causes many problems , something it damaged the cylinder head completely
Turbo doesn't make free energy
The exhaust gases have to escape as easy as possible, that's why bigger exhaust pipe=more efficient.
The turbo is creating a resistance and thus using fuel energy in an indirect manner.
Please correct this...
SERAJ EMAD yes but turbos aid in compression
@@karlreisa3872 ofcource it does, supercharger too, what I mean it is a resistance if it is on the exhaust (turbo) or by a belt (supercharger). however, you need to remember that turbo works in high temperature and has a high rpm plus it needs an intercooler = additional weight. More over if the turbo go bad it is very likely that it will inject oil (turbo is oil cooled) into the engine instead of air which will destroy it in a matter of second...
@@ThatWasPrettyFunny through the video he said: turbo make use of exhaust gases instead of being wasted...
Long story short. it is a resistance if it is on the exhaust (turbo) or by a belt (supercharger). however, you need to remember that turbo works in high temperature and has a high rpm = easy to break, plus it needs an intercooler = additional weight. More over if the turbo go bad it is very likely that it will inject oil (turbo is oil cooled) into the engine instead of air which will destroy it in a matter of second...
Supper charger is better in every way, and more expensive, also harder to install. but some times you cannot have it duo to the lack of space...
@@SerajEmad You here whinning on the internet saying super charger is better while people out there who play with cars and engines everyday likes and use turbo charger because it handles better and is more cooler
Haha I noticed to put a mirror on your shelves to avoid crashing your honda again! Good idea.
Nathan Cruz I did, too! 😂
lol 😂 who crashes they car in they own garage
use a balloon or tennis ball
Pool noodle epoxied to any surface it can touch.
Superchargers are for those of us that like instant gratification. 😅
Serious note: this video has been very informative. I respect and enjoy listening to both devices. Thank you! 👏🤘
How is nobody talking about the fact that he's got an animation of a 26b TURBO
That friggin thing would make a million horsepower. Yes please!
great video, I like the idea of a very long stroke with a turbo charger. The biggest down side of the turbo is the intercooler.. I have 3 radiators on the front of myvehicle, one for the turbo, one for the engine coolant and one for the AC.
always great explanation from Jason😊
I wish all my teachers were like him.
Nicely done. I've owned both turbocharged and supercharged and totally agree that supercharged is better.
Really good video, especially about how turbos are harder on oil. I've never heard that before -- makes sense, though.
Yep. Turbos are very precision devices whose rotors can spin at up to 5000 revolutions _per second._ The internals have very tight tolerances and only work properly if they are fully warmed up and are getting clean oil delivered to them at all times.
And yet my parents keep telling me that I don't need to warm my car up.
@@electric7487 shouldn't that technical sensitivity be compensated by higher oil quality?
No modern engines are officially recommended an explicit warm up period, rather the contrary.
@@OmmerSyssel Not warming up your engine doesn't mean everything is just gonna blow up, it just shortens its lifetime.
@@OmmerSyssel I have a rather modern turbocharged engine in my Volvo S40. It doesn't need a true, hard warmup, but it A) has a cold-start feature which helps with the initial stages of a warmup with a quicker idle and B) the manual states that you should refrain from revving the engine (and thus running the turbo hard) for the first several minutes of operation.
All this points to the fact that even modern engines - especially turbocharged ones - are meant to only operate at peak power one they reach operational temperature, even if they're technically capable of doing so from startup.
Always better for longevity to let ANY engine warm up…also highly recommended to let them run at idle for a cool down period before shutting off, especially turbo(s)👌🏼
I really like your throttle pedal analogy and how they differ for supercharger and turbos makes a lot of sense
Why not both?
Nissan Super Turbo.
Search MCM super turbos and temples 2
Volvo has employed both in it's suv
Some Detroit diesel engines use both.
Devin Christy both? at the same time will get into each others way. Very difficult to run both at the same time and be efficient.
@@harryking4007 not when each of them run best at different ends of the rpm range, supercharger runs best at lower end while turbocharger runs best at upper end
I prefer turbo but purely for the sound and having a snail in your engine bay 😂😂😂
Exhaust-ed Supercharged V8 sound much better than turbo V8s
Exhaust-ed But the centrifugal supercharger is also a snail.
Bob all depends on your taste I guess mate👌🏻
Lunoir NSX Very true, just my personal preferable but I can see how a supercharger could also be prefered👍🏻
Muhluri Nkuna I sure have, it’s just a preference 😂
I super appreciate your professional expertise and how you deliver it, thank you for the wisdom that I can understand.
Thank you. You’ve helped with my decision. Supercharger for my mustang!
Heck yes!
Andy Torres do it for Dale
youll be able to smash so many more crowds!
i dont like mustangs because theyre bad at cornering
Benjamin Buljevic thank you for providing your ignorance
I wish you would've gone over ease of installation, ease of tuning, compatibility, reliability, and durability, including how each type of compressor affects durability and reliability of the rest of the vehicle.
saving it for another video im sure
...Do you want a 9 minute video, or a 4 hour long video?
Superchargers win those hands down too. At least the types that don't pretend to be a turbo.
Goldmarble He's a lefty so he doesn't know what he wants.
babybirdhome eh it depends. I prefer supercharging generally speaking, but the fab work if there are no kits for your vehicle is usually simpler for turbos imo. Tunability I think is simpler with sc's though, there's a more definitive relationship between rpm and airflow
Best technical comparison I’ve ever seen in my life! Thanks bro
My favorite car parts thank you for explaining 😁
I love your videos, you explain the content so clearly and concisely. Keep it coming!
Man You explained complicated charged so simply,,, you are a good teacher ,, Thank you
This guy is really dedicated. I love it .God bless you dude
Rob where is the 4 ro...
Oh shoot, wrong channel.
Haha, though it is his turbo!
The 4 rotor's been hiding over here. We have to tell EVERYONE
Thank you. I didn't know how a turbocharger works until you explained it quite well. You seem to anticipate my questions without having stated them. Say for example you explained how the PCV valve works. My dealership called me in to replace the PCV valve which wasn't malfunctioning. After the replacement. I experienced a significant performance improvement.
Also, you talked about lag with turbochargers as opposed to no lag with superchargers. Occasionally, I experience delay or lag when I put my foot down. I'm wondering if that has to do with it being an automatic transmission. As soon as the engine spools up in the right gear, then it tears out. It shifts fast and smooth but the delay occurs after deceleration on a turn. No more automatic transmissions for me!
Superchargers FTW! Just listen to the sound of a hellcat supercharger. It's just orgasmic!!
The hellcat supercharger whine at mid-throttle is 👌👌
Engineering Explained I got a reply from the man himself!! 😲😲 And hell yeah!!
Best sound is electric car. Very silent and something like the supercharger sound, without that enormous combustion engine sound.
I love that sound, sounds like a jet engine.
The '03 and '04 Cobra's had that beautiful whine as well
I personally love the way the turbo boost winds up. It's exhilarating. Put your foot down. Wait for it. Wait for it.. Wait for it... Here it comes! Wooooo!!!
I also enjoy the intricacy of throttle, gear, RPM, and timing control. It's not hard to stay in the powerband if you know your car.
Exactly!!!
Supercharger put your foot down wooooooo!!!
That is the clearest explanation I've ever heard between the two. Kudos!
I couldn’t choose, so I just put both in my mom’s minivan
Such a thoughtful gift!
Oh ma gawd hahaha I’d love you if u were my kid
You should get that minivan to 600hp +, then the mom mobile is perfect
I'm currently building a super minivan myself and I've given it some thought so I'm supercharging it
You don't really have to choose between the two. Feed the supercharger output into the turbo intakes. It will help overcome turbo lag, get them spooling early and supplement them in times of need to achieve their full potential.
I think the better solution is to feed the turbos into the supercharger and then bypass the SC once the turbos' boost outflows it. To save fuel you could even de-clutch the SC at idle.
The turbo versions of Detroit Diesel's 2-stroke Diesel engines did the exact same thing except the blower is always engaged and is required for scavenging. The turbos boost and scavenge once they've spooled up.
So you want to use engine power to make more power? Did you think this through at all?
@@BeepxBewp Yes and not just me but MULTIPLE TUNERS AND ENGINEERS have, and guess what else? It works! You literally described a supercharger lol.
@@BeepxBewp Did you even watch the video? That is what a supercharger does.
I believe Volvo did do that with their T6 engine.
This is my solution. My Grandpa wanted me to find the difference between a Turbocharger and a Supercharger: so I decided to check out some videos on RUclips. This 1 is PERFECT 👌
I love my supercharger
That whine😍
I learned something. Thank you.
This is the best explanation video I've seen on RUclips. Thank you so much!
I still like supercharges because of the whine and no lag
Ok i dont know alot about cars. I have a TDI engine and my friend says i could use a supercharger, is that possible? 😂
Turbos are better tdis have no lag
Rather lag and more power
Modern turbocharged cars have minimal turbo lag. My 2004 Audi hits peak boost at less than 2000rpms. Not to meantion theres newer cars out there that will hit peak boost before even 1600rpms.
Antilag........
Turbo boost without lag
(I think that is Howe it Workshop)
for me NA and mechanical throttlebody is still the best throttle response.. :)
I prefer cubes of NA as well.
To cut a long story short: turbocharger vs supercharger = quantity vs quality
I personally love *BOTH* of ‘em.
honestly, the problem he mentioned about turbochargers having lag and superchargers having better pedal communication only applies if you are relatively new to the car. after spending some time with a turbocharged car, the driver should be able to fully understand its characteristics and thus will be able to get what exactly he wants from the car. most boosted racecars with experienced drivers who won't face the miscommunication issue use turbochargers and not superchargers for a reason. turbochargers and simply better if the driver is good.
I wonder why the 10,000 horsepower + drag cars I've seen do a quarter mile in 3 seconds use superchargers then?
Na dont agree at all. You need to spend alot of money on a turbo charged car to getnitntonthe same response as a supercharged factory standard car. Then you soend the same money on a already amaizng response supercharged car and you have annihilation of any turbocharged car.
nah you cant get the same response as you do from a supercharger, its well known.
Wow this dude is really smart he makes everything seem so simple and it makes total sense of everything, tons of knowledge, I think he said he was an automotive journalist should have been an engineer
He went to school to be an engineer from what I'm aware. Most of what I understand about cars comes from this channel. He puts complicated concepts into layman's terms and understandings which makes it very easy to learn.
Superchargers all the way! Thank you sir.
Would be interesting to cover electric boosters too. Also, what about using an exhaust turbine to generate electricity and store in say a super capacitor and use that power for super charging?
Seems like it would be a very complex and expensive system.
Y'all just be patient and wait for an electrical engineer to say something about it all at least this topic right up
Here's the problem with electric supercharging:. Where does the power come from? Ultimately the alternator. So instead of a belt driving the supercharger you're just using a belt to drive a larger alternator, creating your electricity, and then feeding that energy into an electric motor which is driving your supercharger. So more weight and complexity AND less efficiency.
Very valid points on both alike. And turbo lag is real but overcoming turbo lag is achievable
Engine bay geometry can limit the application of superchargers. Turbos have a greater range of installation (location) options, plus you need to consider center of gravity when choosing location of the equipment
Good Explain about Con and Pro
Perfect explanation. What are your thoughts on electric superchargers?
I've had both but I'll keep my twin turbo PLR 481x setup that I'm running now over everything that I've ever owned. Proline is the best company out there. They have helped me more than any other company I've dealt with in the past.
Supercharger is more reliable robust system . turbo is more complex and more moving parts and more expensive to fix
True said
Is the energy lost from the engine powering the supercharger reclaimed by it's use? What I mean is, does a supercharger give back more power than a turbo after taking into account losses?
Excellent answer I would say the supercharger is more reliable and easier to build and make work properly. Turbos have that heating issue so if the car doesn’t come stock with turbo and you’re trying to make a no turbo car turbo. You’re going to have a hard time that thing is going to be heating everywhere specially if you’re a noob.
@@bitTorrenter yeah
@@briancastro8004 plus trubo lag and superchargers dont
Great video! What is the life span and does installation harm the engine at all? Over a period of time?
I’ve watched this video 3 times now and never realized that was a rotary 1:42
I prefer supercharger!!
Nothing like having the power right there unlike having a boost a few moments later and that can be crucial in split second situations!!
You just need to.learn how to launch your car or do a better job of matching the right turbo to the right engine. I have NEVER had to wait for my turbo to spool. If you want moderate point and click power, go with a big ass blower. If you want to get the most out of your engine, choose the appropriate turbo for the car and learn how to f'ing drive.
Jason Nichols I’m still waiting for my turbo to spool up.
Is the energy from the exhaust really "free"? Does the backpressure not take engine power?
It does so yes it is not 'free' however, the extra backpressure it creates only takes a small amount of power
agree - in a sports car, I like that instant throttle response, but I think today in July 2021 - turbo lag is getting close to zero.
do those things spoil fuel efficiency?
No, they don't spoil fuel efficiency. A lot of manufacturers use chargers (usually turbochargers) to meet fuel efficiency requirements, since they can use a smaller engine.
I change the oil to my NA engine (5.0 Coyote) every 8000 KM (5000 mi) and looking to Twin turbocharge it (daily driver), what am I looking at in terms of oil changes after that?
side note: I do not track it or race it; just the occasional pull every now and again.
Will I have to change it ever 4000 KM (2500 mi) and cut the service in half? or what is the rule here.
Appreciate your videos as they are very eye-opening.
Regards,
Why twins if your not gonna put it on a track or strip?? Are you wanting your car in the look out crowed section?? An it all depends on set up but I'm pretty sure your internals won't hold twins that are set to make power .. go for a nice single turbo an a good tune . You'll have all the power you want to look cool an you'll still be able to control it
(A bit late...)
FWIW I have had a supercharger and a turbocharger on an LS motor. Absolutely prefer the turbo, however it's a much bigger PITA to get up and running. The supercharger (procharger/centrifugal) didn't make much boost until upper rev range. More control with turbo, more fun, and sounds better.
Thanks. Exactly what I needed to know.
Do superchargers tend to wear out the front main bearing due to belt tension?
No,only the engine belt
Roots style sc is my favorite boost maker . I love that whine and instant boost
I agree 100 percent. nothing beats the whine sound
I really, really enjoy your videos!!!!!!
Thank you!!
Nitpick. A turbocharger is a supercharger, just a shortened description for convenience, i.e., the full technical name of a turbo is "turbo-supercharger. Superchargers are mechanically driven compressors. Turbos are exhaust turbine driven compressors. Soon we will have "electro-superchargers" (please don't say "electric turbos", which would be nonsensical) as manufacturers are introducing compressors driven by electric motors. These will have tremendous advantages over current mechanical technology, e.g., instant response and the ability to vary the compressor speed completely independently from the engine RPM's.
renault demonstrates an "electric turbo" on their RUclips (search "Renault Energy F1") , it's a turbocharger, with an EV system to pre spool the turbo, and capture waste energy while slowing, it's a standard turbo operating like a normal turbo most of the time.
Isnt f1 engine electric-turbo? Why you said dont call it electric turbo?
Dav Mar Thank you for pointing out whether belt driven or exhaust driven,compressing the air is Super Charging.
Thanks for showing me your engine driven centifugal compressor supercharger. I had not seen one before. Presumably it has a boost curve somewhere between a linear twin screw machine and a square law exhaust driven turbo charger.
Have the beat of both worlds- compound boosting!
Is there any difference in terms of the wear and tear on the engine?
In terms of having "boost" pressure applied to the internal components, no. Boost is boost. Doesn't matter if it's a turbo- or super-charger. The only thing that would be a factor that I can readily think of, is the higher heat load a turbo-charger places on the oil. But, having said that, it's an issue that isn't too hard to deal with through the use of a "turbo timer", or a specialty oil and/or perhaps more frequent oil changes. In an extreme case some external auxiliary oil cooling may be warranted. But, both devices can cause accelerated wear of internal engine components vs. a "naturally aspirated" engine.
finally, this video answers all my big questions on turbo and super chargers. thank you very much for the education. super charger it is for me then.
For me, it depends on application. My Cruze's turbocharger makes sense. I wanted a car that got a very high mpg, and found 42 to 50 highway, and the 1.4T certainly provides. As for Superchargers? Well, the Hellcat wouldn't be such a ballbuster with twin turbos.
Also, fun fact, many modern turbochargers are coolant cooled, so the con of the oil suffering can be (mostly) disregarded.