Why I Chose the Sony A7CR Over the A7CII
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It'll be what I upgrade to years from now. I crop so much due to primarily using primes, I'll definitely benefit quite a bit from the larger MP count. For the mean time I'm really happy with the A7C.
Yes! The Form Factor is where it's at and the IBIS. Used Black A7C was about $1,000 on adorama...now the price went up instead of down .
Even 33mp is a big upgrade. Also the file sizes of a7cr is huge
The staging in this video! Definitely your best yet. That scene where you walked into the tunnel and came out the other side without missing a beat. Also kudos on climbing back up that hill after setting up the camera 😂
Regarding the camera, it's a no-brainer if your primary focus is on stills and you have the budget. Glad you're enjoying it.
Very helpful! The R5 image stabilization and auto focus in a Leica size body is everything about this camera to me.
I'm right on the verge of placing an order. For me it's just a very pragmatic decision. I currently shoot an A7RV and an A6700, depending on what I'm doing. A6700 for travel and casual, and A7RV for more serious. I can sell both those cameras and just stick with A7CR for either case. So many file sizes to choose from. BTW, I rented the camera, and I love that grip. I normally have a SmallRig grip on all my cameras, (big hands), but this one just feels so much better to me.
Great video work! Beautiful pictures!
great content! Keep it up!
Another great review, thank you. Can you do a vid on your desk set up (What tech do you use) and what happens after you take your photo? :)
Thank you for the video. I bought the A7CR even though I own an A7RV but used to also own the A7IV and A7C and I’m wondering if the lower resolution sensor on the CII has better performance in low light and indoors. I know you can do noise processing and it’s gotten really good and you can also down sample to reduce noise but did you do any testing on this?
One thing to note (that I regretfully just figured out) is that you cannot use the ne Denoise feature in LR when shooting FF but storing them as 26MP M RAW. I tend to shoot higher ISO with fast shutter speeds and everything I shot in that format is unable to use that Denoise feature. 😔
Great point about APSc mode. For street photography, having 2 focal ranges available at all times with a prime is a perfect expansion while not being a full zoom lens/range
Street photography doesn't need to be tack sharp, 33mp are more then enough for cropping
I agree with you, I want this camera just for it's main purpose, taking photographs. If I wanted a camera for videography, I'd purchase the FX3.
Coming at this from the opposite field. Own FX3 for videography (and endorse it heavily). If I want a purely stills camera something like the CR would be on my short list. The GMii trio outperform the megapixels on the FX by a lot. Would love to see them resolve 61.
Going over to Japan soon to hopefully pick up the A7CII, thank you for the great video!! Actually very tempted for the A7CR as well now, as I was not so keen initially due to the file sizes.
Regardless of which camera you pick, there’s no wrong choices! Thanks for watching!
Many cameras sold for local market in Japan don't have English language menus. Make sure to check before you buy. Enjoy Japan! Beautiful country
@@paullafleur6112 yep, I'm aware of that, from my research they only sell international models at Ginza, which I will be visiting. Just hoping there's stock available for a silver one when I'm there.
Thanks for the heads up though!! Will definitely enjoy Japan haha, 3rd time visiting :D
@@Auranapse Awesome. Sounds like you are well prepared. You will have a great time for sure!
Are the cameras cheaper in Japan?
Another great episode. However I am a little confused. If you want to use your full frame prime in crop mode then probably 1,4 or 1,8 would make more sense than 2,8. This would justify spending so much more on A7R. If you keep using 2,8 then you might as well save on A7C II with 33 MP and use your sigma 28-70 2,8 all the way. Perhaps this 24 2,8 or any other 2,8 prime is something special, is it ?
Great video !!
Thanks honey!
I've been shooting the A7RV for over 6 months. I actually went through the same thought process choosing between the A7IV. In the end, I'm happy I went with the A7RV though I don't need the extra MP (TBH, I think 45-50 is the sweet spot) it's nice to have (I used to use a A7RIII). BTW, I feel the 26MP files (I shoot most of the time - medium compressed) maybe a bit sharper due to pixel binning.
That’s interesting to hear about medium compressed. Haven’t actually shot with that yet but I may have to test this out for myself
I think the question is how are you delivering your images? The crop mode from 33mp I'd still plenty of resolution for social media or prints. Most billboards were shot with less than 24mp not that long ago. The larger your prints, the larger the viewing distance. So I don't see the added resolution as a benefit, but the added dynamic range definitely is a benefit for anyone.
just bought mine today. not many actual owners on youtube so i will be following you to see your experiences with the camera. my reasons for buying are the same as yours. i hope you change your mind and show video also
What would be your ISO tolerance for the A7CR vs A7IV? I’m torn between Cii & R as I am mainly a prime shooter. I’m nervous about images with R in the 3200 to 10,000 ISO range.
Hi, thanks for the video! I'm also an A7cR user, I trade my a7c and order a7cr on the first day it release! I like the chop ability but hate the dynamic range so nallow. I'm not sure how you know the M size compressed raw hive higher dynamic range (source? thou I wish it's true). I think this camera is what I want, but the problem is the price not worth it. (no CFA, no light sensor from a7RV, etc, I wish they have at this price range). One another question I'm not sure about it is the apsc mode, I don't know the difference compare if I chop by myself. (I never use it on previous one since it's resolution)
I have the Sony a6700 and am thinking of upgrading to the A7CR mainly because I can still use my APSC lenses in the crop mode if I understand this correctly. It seems like I would be able to have a full frame and effectively a crop sensor camera in one. I am also interested in the A7R, but the cost is so high and since I am a student I can purchase the A7CR at a discounted rate, which really helps. What is your advice for me about this possibility?
Hi! Would you say the viewfinder is good enough for back button focusing with manual focus zeiss 25 or voigtlander 15 ? That’s my only worry
I'm thinking about switching to the ac7 system from my a7IV. I'm a viewfinder shooter. How does the viewfinder on your a7cr feel? Obviously it's smaller, but still enjoyable to use?
Great points and great photos! I appreciate the flow you have in your edits/transitions between shots for the video. I ended up with the A7CII and grabbing the SmallRig Bottom Mount Plate for so much less money.
i love this video love the nature photos
Great video buddy like you I currently own the A7IV and leaning toward purchasing the A7CR buy still debating if I should get the A7RV which is currently on sale for $3500 of course it’s not as compact. I’ll probably go with A7CR since I love compact cameras for travel and street photography plus 90% of the time I shoot photos and rarely videos. Just curious if you have any regrets on purchasing A7CR and not A7R5. You got a new sub keep up the great work 👊
This was a brilliant video. I would love for you to be able to make a video comparing the Sony A7C R to the Sony A7R V. As I’m considering either one of these two cameras to have along side my Sony A7iv. Cheers.
My exact dilemma especially with the A7RV currently priced at $3500
I looked at the sample raw images on DPReview and the 61 megapixel images get really crunchy at ISO 6400. I think the 33 megapixel sensor has, at least, a full stop advantage ISO-wise.
Great video! I haven't bought a good camera in years. Considered the Leica, but instead I followed your lead and got the A7CR and the 24mm G 2.8...I know I'm kind of emulating a Q3 but I think in addition to a great travel camera, I'll also be able to add other lenses for versatile uses down the line. Can you add a vid or info on how best to use the 24mm set up you have? i.e. How did you use the programmable button etc., and what other lenses you think match best to really take advantage of the CR's strengths
I did the same as you. On the waiting list for the Q3 but when this dropped, I couldn’t justify the Q3 due to price and versatility of the A7CR. Very happy with my decision. Also bought the 24mm and the 50mm.
hey, do make photos always with raw? or also heif? and what picuture profile are you using? :)
Great video! Very relevant for me right now as I try to decide...
Can the crop mode and mRAW settings be applied to the custom profiles on the PASM dial?
Can you tell us about that lens hood? It not the stock hood for the 24mm f2.8 G, is it?
My a7CR is coming this week Great video
Enjoy it! Thanks for watching
Went from a7iii to a7cii
Really enjoy the creative profile customization… want to say it is ALMOST on par with fujifilm simulation.. the color arent ‘t the same but i much prefer creative profile over picture profile!!!
I had to come back to this video to say, that you helped me realize that the CR is a better match for me than the CII. With my OG α7C, I shot about 60/40 pics/vids in the beginning, which led me to upgrade to the CII last year. Now I do about 80/20 p/v, and after reevaluating my shooting style, I'll be buying the α7CR. I've always been a "resolution snob" and just should've gotten it in the first place, but hey, we all make mistakes. Lol
Once again, great video man! So glad to have found your channel back in the α7C days! 📸
People can argue that 61 megapixels is overkill.. but if you’re gonna primarily be taking photos you might as well want the best photos possible! I believe it also helps “future proof” the camera and its images.
Thanks for all of your support man! Thanks for being the first channel member as well!
Great overview. I’m looking forward to a video of the A7CR video performance. Are you able to get similar quality to the FX3 you shot this video on?
Very similar quality when shooting at base ISO 800! The FX3 will shine most when shooting in lowlight. Otherwise you probably won’t be able to tell a difference between both cameras with RUclips compression after uploading. The A7CR footage make look slightly softer, but I believe that’s a good thing. I use a mist filter most of the time when filming on my FX3 to help remove some of the “digital sharpness”
How are you getting on with the 35 1.8 with this higher resolution? are you tempted to go back to the 35 1.4? or are you finding yourself sticking now with the 24? I have the Rv and 24 1.4 and find it a wonderful pairing to utilize crop mode. If you didn't have the A7iv as well and could only have 1 body which way would you go?
Definitely prefer the size of the 35mm 1.8 so it would be hard to go back to the GM. The 35mm 1.8 actually holds up very well with the higher resolution. If I could only have one, I would stick with the A7CR. I haven’t picked up the A7IV in a long time
Great video Dylan, short and to the point. Great help indeed.
Just one question if I may. Does this camera has a silent mode? As in, electronic shutter only.
Thanks
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Thanks for watching! Yes indeed it does have a silent mode!
With 33 mp cropped to APS-C you get 14 mp. Less than 26, sure, but it ain’t nothin’. For many uses, like social media posts, 14 mp shots from the a7C2 will be fine, especially if lossless RAW is used. I’m also downsizing from 42 mp a7r3 to A7c2 but experimenting with my APS-C lenses, I think I’ll be fine. (Just looking back at camera reviews from 2010 when 14 mp was regarded as unnecessarily large!)
I really liked this short simple shoot along with the topic commentary. Some of your other shoots are almost too good in a way. This toned down version feels less intimidating and more approachable/digestible for a noob shooter like myself. Love from New Zealand.
Glad you enjoyed it! My goal was to combine the two different kind of videos into one and I’m pretty happy with how it turned out!
@@DylanBlackburn Definitely doable yes 👍
Hey Dylan, thank you for inspiring me. I just got the A7C2 and need help with my first prime lens. In terms of sharpness and AF, how’s does the 24mm f2.8 g fare with the 35mm f1.8?
Sigma I-series series is the perfect match to your a7c2. Made in Japan. My all metal.
I was wondering, when you shoot a cropped image on the A7CR, do you apply the crop in-camera before the shot? That is, do you set the camera to APSC crop-mode and then take the shot? Will the crop then be applied to the RAW file without an option to return to the FF image? I ask because I believe that the Leica Q cameras retain the FF RAW files without crop even when you took the image as a crop - so that in case you change you mind later, you can return to the FF image in post-processing. Is the A7CR crop reversible too?
The image will be stored as a cropped image. I program a button on the camera to allow me to switch between APSC/Full frame mode. That allows me to check the image in crop mode and switch back for the image if I still want the full frame aspect.
@@Martin-nu6ym Cool. Thanks for the clarification. Your workaround sounds like a smart approach
Great Vid
Thanks for watching!
I've had one for just a couple of weeks. Good to hear a bit about how the Lossless Compression works, I need to experiment with that. Does it also help with noise? I was pretty surprised at how much noise I was getting even outdoors on an overcast day. Going from a much smaller MP video centric camera, that's something I need to improve.
I went with the CR because in certain street shooting situations I tend to do some heavy cropping.
No I shouldn't be an issue once the larger files are downsample to jpeg
Thanks @@Nickporter17
I went to Nikon Zf from A7C after being frustrated by the lack of a proper viewfinder in A7C2 and A7CR. However, I still come to watch your meticulously crafted lovely videos
I appreciate you :) enjoy that Zf! It’s a lovely looking camera that I hope to try one day.
You picked well. And that strap is sharp.
Really love the concept of this camera and even sold my x100v to pursue the A7cr. As a canon shooter heavily invested in canon glass I keep asking myself if this is now the right choice, as running 2 systems is not ideal. Even contemplating changing to Sony. Shame t-hey didn’t put the a7r5 screen on and just beef up the resolution of the evf/lcd. As a portable interchangeable FF travel/street setup it’s hard to beat. Taking into account the flexibility of the crop, having a 24 and 40 gives great scope in a small package. Just wish canon did something similar, but can’t see that happening any time soon. Been using EOs r5 with the pancake 28mm and although great it’s still to bulking and not very incognito. A great video and nice to see your thoughts on this setup. Will I wont I that is the question now 🫣🙂🤔
You can use the Metabones Smart adapter to use your Canon glass with your Sony body cameras.
@@sjsphotogthanks, only have RF glass. I don’t think they do an adapter for these.
I too wish Canon did a small full frame camera like the A7CR. I also use the Canon R5 and have RF glass but am very tempted to pick up a A7CR as a small travel camera.
I have the A7iv and really debating between ACii and the CR, I agree with what you said in the beginning if you have the A7iv why buy relatively the same thing
Is the increased dynamic range with compressed raw medium for instance a documented phenomenon somewhere or did you experimentally figure that out?
I’ve seen it tested and mentioned in other videos
I like the micro G prime lenses... but having a hard time deciding between the 24, 40 and 50... should I just get one or two? Don't need all three. Any suggestions?
Get the 24 and 50, that’ll cover a lot of different scenarios. Wide for contextual shots and 50 for portraits
Great video
Thank you!
The idea with the Sony A7RC is great, but I will not get it, because the EVF is too small and with too low resolution, it lacks a joystick and the flip-out screens makes the camera too thick. But I do like the design with the viewfinder in the corner !
Great video and channel. Why type and hood is that? Where can I get one. I too chose the A7CR for the same reasons you mentioned. Blessings, Javier
Thanks for watching! Links to those lens hoods are in the description!
I really don’t like straight jpegs coming from a Sony A7CR camera. Do you have in-camera settings that can emulate better colors? I don’t have time to do post-post-processing through Raw. Your viewers will be very happy if you share in-camera settings so that straight jpegs coming from A7CR can be useful. Right now AC7CR produces awful jpegs with horrible skin tone (the camera is not defective) . Please guide us. I dont have time editing pictures in lightroom. Thanks.
Honestly I’m probably not the right guy to give you the answer in this regard. Until Sony allows you to import LUT’s for photos (like LUMIX does) I don’t see jpegs being a viable option. Personally I enjoy the Lightroom editing process almost as much as I enjoy the photo taking process but understand your perspective as a lot of people who shoot Fuji feel the same way. Sorry I don’t have a better answer :(
Tbh the Sony a7iv uncompressed Raw files are outstanding, Very blue skies and a ton of details in photo. Overall if you want to get the best always shoot uncompressed raw. I’d choose the a7cii for this reason.
I enjoy you sensibility Dylan. Although I still feel Sony cameras have a designed in East Germany feel still compared to Nikon/Canon/Fuji. The real letdown on the latest C models is the dinky viewfinder. A high res tilting one would be the shizzle.
Great video very informative! What your opinion be if your cameras were switched? I know you have a7iv now paired with the a7cr. What if it was a7r v and a7c ii? What would you say are the pros and cons of that combination?
Technically my two cameras that I have paired are my A7CR and FX3. I rarely use the A7IV for anything besides being a B cam for video production jobs when doing interviews. Pretty much just my wife’s camera at this point haha. But if I had the A7RV and A7CII I would probably find myself never using the A7RV but when the 61 megapixels is absolutely necessary. Just not a fan of the normal A7 body. Not really any cons to that combo!
@@DylanBlackburn Thanks! This is very helpful now I know which one to purchase!
I have the A7R V so this is why i got the C II over the CR. So far no regrets! Now i have a EDC camera that wont blow up my hard drives!
That’s a pretty perfect combo of cameras to have 🤙🏻
Hi. Is there a big difference in files, quality, dynamic range, low light and colors? Need only 1 camera and can’t decide between A7Cii and A7CR
wheres is this park Winston ?Do you remember the name ?
About an hour from Winston. Bunker Hill Bridge near Hickory
Hi, really enjoyed this! Sorry, is the video at the start shot on A7CR? Looks amazing! Thanks.
All of the video is shot on the FX3 but you could get those shots just as easily with the A7CR!
@@DylanBlackburn ah! I appreciate it, thanks!
I'm thinking about selling my Fuji GFX 50s II for a Sony a7CR. I already have a a7IV and lenses i could use and I really like the idea of great image quality in a small package
Just wondering if it’s really worth paying $3k for a camera with a substandard evf and lcd, when for $500 more you can get the full tilt screen, dual card slots, and amazing evf and lcd in the RV. All you’re you’re getting in the CR is a slightly smaller body so is it really worth the $500 savings? (RV on-sale now for $3499)
Because I don’t want an A7RV? I quite frankly don’t care about having the “latest and greatest”. A higher resolution EVF and LCD doesn’t magically make the photos better. I want a camera that will inspire me. I would rather have a camera that I’m excited to go shoot with. Maybe I prefer rangefinder style viewfinders? The perceived value of this camera is worth much more than an A7RV to me.
For me, it's the other way around, I would not pay 500$ extra for the a7rv. Currently I own both the a7RV and the a7CR. I purchased the a7C for its portability during certain occasions. Surprisingly, I find myself gravitating more towards using the a7CR over the a7RV now. I don't particularly mind the differences in the EVF or the joystick between the two. Moreover, the added grip on the a7CR makes it convenient to handle larger lenses as well. Consequently, I've decided to sell my a7RV
@@DylanBlackburn Fair comments. Thanks!
I decided to PO the A7CR too instead of A7CII. I hope it's the right choice. Willnonly know when I get the camera.
Hi. Why?
@magnusasmussen9452 I dont do videos, so the step up on resolution is probably going to be more beneficial to me.
can you do a video with your setting in camera ;)
02:53 ~ 03:19 Exactly my situation. Back in the day I was able to afford the RX1R Mark ll and was hooked on the 42MP sensor and all it offered. I had to sell it a year or so later and when I could I bought a second hand A7R2. Its user interface has certainly dated though and I only wish I could afford the one in this video. Ho hum …
What about increased noise at high ISO vs. the A7C or A7C II?
I rarely go above 1600 ISO so it’s not really a concern. Plus I still have my original A7C that I can break out!
So you're saying cancel my A7cii order and get the A7CR V? I have time because my shop is waiting on the a7cii shipments... hmmmmmm
Is it possible to shoot 4K 60 fps with the APSC crop mode in the SONY A7CR ??
Yes, very possible!
@@DylanBlackburn Thanks for reply... .Have u tried this urself ? Many youtubers are saying its not possible
The logic that A7R’s increased mp means I can use a 35mm and basically skip needing to buy a 50mm prime as well as long as I’m happy with final image quality being comparative to the A7Cii is some pretty incredible logic. Seriously pretty sold after that, as someone who is getting back into photography after 5 years away, wants a beast of a camera, and has no lenses yet!
Exactly! It’s funny how spending more on the camera up front saves you so much money in the long run!
Nice Video does the camera when shot in raw crop mode save a 26mp image to the card?
Yes it does!
@@DylanBlackburn cool gonna go for the c2 because 60 mp is just to much for my needs
if you show your vertical shots with a white frame then the eyes adjust to the brightness and don't leave much of your photo behind. maybe a black frame and an orange border would help...
nah I'm good
I just got my A7C Mark II and am I busted? Should have been better to choose A7CR? :( Will I regret? :O
The A7CII is more than enough for 95% of people. The extra megapixels hardly make a difference for most use cases. You made a good decision!
@@DylanBlackburn Thanks, Dylan. I'm gonna start to use it and summarize my experiences with it.
What style and length is that strap? Thanks
Minimal Anchor Strap, English Tan, 36 inch!
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The shot at 5:19 is gorgeous- this is the FX3, yeah?
Yessir!
Hey Dylan, in my case, I have the A7RV and added the A7CII... is it ok? 😁😁😉😉
High five for the Sony A7C II love! 🙌 I've had a blast creating videos about its features on my channel. Take a peek and tell me what you think - always open to chatting with fellow camera enthusiasts!
Curious the difference in megapixels make when making photo prints? That’s been my deciding factor going to pull the trigger with Black Friday! Been shooting on my iPhone for years
It depends on how large you want to print.
Small rig grip is great. 30 bucks for the a7cii.
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If I could afford one I'd get it too, however for now my old A7C is still going strong and is still good enough for what I do. I never liked cropping too much anyway.
The original A7C is still more than good enough for photography! Don’t ever feel pressured to upgrade if the camera you already have is more than capable of doing what you want it to do!
@@DylanBlackburn Prints on that high MP count though look crisp as hell. How is the low light performance though? I heard it's worse due to the smaller pixel size.
Why do you hold your camera like that when you shoot vertical, you do it every video
I actually explain why in a video… so you haven’t seen every video 😜
Which one? I have to know !@@DylanBlackburn
@@rusty936 ruclips.net/video/hi-sKoZcCks/видео.htmlsi=bUYoIQZrB6Xh4UNK at 4:18!
Just joined the sub-10k-squad 😅
Sadly in Germany the difference between the C ii and the C R are 1400 bucks. So the decision overseas is more likely made by the price tag 😢
Should use a GM lens mate
Not necessary. They’re all way too big anyways
Used $3k a7rv vs new $3k a7cr?
I’m a bit biased toward the A7CR because so preferable the smaller body but factor in the A7RV having 2 SD card slots and the improved screen
@@DylanBlackburn yeah it’s really the slots and the HDMI for me. The evf is a bonus but that screen- while definitely critical for those who wanted it- is just a gimmick (at least to me anyway)
I do crops in my 16Mp MFT camera 💀
Hey @DylanBlackburn
Love the channel, been following for a long time.
There is one "hidden" feature on the a7Rv that is quite useful and I went an tested on the a7CR in the camera store and confirmed it works.
If you shoot in Lossless Raw Medium (26mP oversampled from the full image frame, full angle of view) and then go into super-35 crop mode, it does not still use this medium oversampling mode. The camera automatically, without needing to go into the menus and select image quality, goes back to full resolution and then crops, giving you 26MP as well, but with the narrower angle of view. This is really handy as you can keep your file sizes smaller but work between super 35 and full frame with just one button and minimal image degradation.
See this video (where I first learned about this on the a7Rv) for a better explanation: ruclips.net/video/elocWbGJ6mI/видео.htmlsi=oh6NFmI705ckpRay
Why people care too much about Megapixels and they are always chasing or want to get a new camera? Fall to that camera Syndrome is dumb. Get New Camera doesn't mean you're a Better photographer. A Standard 24megs is more that enough and You Don't need more than that. Stop spending money...
It's always interesting to watch random weirdos on the internet virtue signal about how other people should spend (or not spend) their money and what they should not want or need.
Literally nobody asked for your hot take. Go lay down.
So the A7CR is basically a more versatile Leica Q
Pretty much!
Just get a Leica m11 or something
Buy me one and I’ll make videos about it instead
@@DylanBlackburnright. It’s like 10k no lens
What lens are you using?
24mm 2.8 G!