Playing as a hero in Battlefront 2015 was never based on performance. It was whoever was lucky enough to stumble upon a hero pickup and that was the problem.
Omg the worst part was the pickups were like away from the battle so you don’t even rush the battle you spawn and then turn around if you want to be luke 😭
Actually, they did test it out along with a health system for heroes bases on kills like on the og battlefront 2, though they removed it after a week or two due to "poor feedback". They never once patched it or tried just skill based or just the health system either, so there was no opportunity for growth there. I'm still salty about that
In EAs Battlefront 2, i absolutely recommend doing co-op to level up units and heroes if you are a brand new player or if you just want to get those maxed out star cards. Wednesdays also have triple xp so you can level up real fast. Great vid btw!
@@bradleyjenkins2271 only when i play splitscreen coop. I can play some of the missions but any mission that is Starkiller base the game crashes. If you look it up its a known bug. Its stinks because me and my brother planned on 3 star every mission but sadly we cant. My assumption is console limitations.
@Niosai I had an Xbox while my friend had a PS and I hated playing on there because 4 player splitscreen wasn't an option. 4 player galactic conquest with 2 people on each team made for a lot of fun and we would discuss where to move our cruisers and what upgrades to buy
Indeed, 4 player Splitscreen is often overlooked, not too surprising though since the game was mostly played on PC (no Splitscreen not even in code as far as I’m aware) and PS2 (2 player only).
Very nice to see more appreciation for what Free Radical achieved back in 2008, hopefully one day we'll get a new Battlefront that finishes what they started
If BF2 from Dice had cross play for consoles it would have never died. I played that game religiously from launch till it’s end (quite some time after it was free on PS+)
Dice's BF 2 died because it was mostly COD corridor shooter and not Battlefield combined battles. It took years for them to even add Supremacy. And that was still half corridor shooter.
@@NiosaiThat requires an account system that can be linked between devices, it is a lot of infrastructure work on its own and also requires some backend changes. Gamespy also does not exist anymore and has been completely ripped out of the collection altogether there is not a system to build from. Crossplay will therefore most likely not be a thing in the Collection it is simply out of scope for a project of this kind. The collection is more or less about unifying all the versions of Pandemic battlefront (especially 2) as well as adding online for consoles and future proofing the games a little bit in terms of engine tech.
12:47 I'm so excited to get to try out the XL mode in the upcoming remasters. I've mostly played Battlefront 2 on console so it'll be awesome to experience it.
@@Niosai same. I know Aspyr has done it before with Jedi Outcast (or one of the other Jedi games, I get them mixed up) because I saw a lot of Switch players complaining about PC players beating them. As of right now I'm trying to talk my friends into getting the PlayStation versions because they have confirmed that multiplayer is at least cross gen.
I had the PC version, and ps2 version. You wait...March 14th, I'm getting in an AT-AT and going straight for the generator. Series X this time around...who would have thought?
@@cwooddirectorit was in Academy and it was not really cross play, PC players were just able to find the server consoles used and it created issues, which is why it was also removed. It was a bug and not proper cross play.
I love the old games but man 2015 holds the best place in my heart idc what anyone says, the absolute joy i felt seeing the reveal trailer, getting the darth vader ps4 and playing it like crazy. Some of the best gaming memories I've ever had.
For the PSP games (Renegade and Elite), your biggest problem for the controls, according to your gameplay, was your absolute neglect of the right shoulder button (the same button used to strafe) for the active lock-on which will also auto-lock on for headshots after a couple of seconds not firing at your target and keeping your aim locked. I.e. you don’t disengage active target-locking, or the enemy rolls; which is something you can do as well in a pinch to disengage enemy lock-on with the circle button. This same principle applies to space battles; use the triangle button to follow enemy ships automatically and the D-pad down button to switch between targets. Right shoulder button to speed up. (In Elite Squadron this is changed to Left shoulder to speed, and right to auto-follow a selected ship target; D-Pad down is still to cycle targets). It’s a great bit of gameplay system making up for the PSP only having a single analog stick.
Agreed it was quite an achievement; Rebellion did really well, a shame the PS2 version of their version of the title was never released. PSP is great for what it is however.
At 1:52 they are not called "Shock Troopers," they are called Dark Troopers, and they have lore on them that goes all the way back to Star Wars: Dark Forces, which is now getting a remaster.
Fun fact there was and likely still is a bug in Battlefront Renegade Squadron where that point system didnt matter. You could equip whatever you wanted in the menu, close the app and as loong as you didnt go back into the menu you had everything you wanted
@@Niosai there is a modded battlefront on ppsspp available on pc, mobile and tablet that offers pandemic battlefront 1 and 2 maps, renegade squadron maps, elite squadron maps, custom ( battlefront 3 inspired ) maps and pc mod maps as well as improved graphics, more skins, up to 32 players per match, custom pc mod controls, hero assault on every map and more vehicles that you could try out for a video mate
Yeah Dice is well known for making visually breathtaking games but they focus so much on that so most other parts of the games suffer. If Dice would have tried to copy the old school 2004/2005 formula with their engine, sound design, and graphics the game would have been perfect. Also Dice could have just made an actual Battlefield game but with Star Wars aesthetics and the game would have been much better than what actually came out. The OG games are timeless and I’ll be spending hundreds of hours on the new classic collection. Those games were my childhood.
I do sort of agree in a sense, and I kind of said something similar in the video. The DICE production values in a more Classic-style Battlefront game would be incredibly cool, but at the same time, I do think it's okay for a developy to try their own spin on an established franchise.
@@Niosai agreed. That’s how we get innovation in music and video games by artists or developers trying something different. That said, what fans wanted (a Battlefront 3) was well known and Dice just incorporated very little from that desired build into their games and just monetized the crap out of it. First game ultimate edition was going for over $100 US and didn’t launch with much and then drip fed content for a year and then the game just died so quick. Then the 2nd with the loot crates….
@@RetroGamerBB I don’t think they can; they can’t make new maps, bring back any vehicle features, make new vehicles, etc. Mod support for bf 2017 is pretty lackluster
a fun backstory-my dad found a copy of the ds version of elite squadron out in the woods when i was around 6 years old. i fell in love with the story and remember it being so much more mature than my pokémon and mario games.
When I was met by KOTOR music within seconds of clicking on this, I knew I was in the right place. Thanks for this great upload, watched it all in one go, enjoying both the nostalgic memories of the old titles and exploring the new stuff I never got to. "I'm hoping that the updated re-release has reworked netcode." Apparently from what I'm hearing, uh, it does, but... "I have a bad feeling about this..." Also, I never knew about any of the mobile versions between the new and old, some of that is really cool. 28:10 *Palpatine:* "We're all looking for the guy who did this..." Actually, that reminds me of the Rogue Squadron books from Legends, where Wedge and the gang infiltrate Coruscant after Endor and discover Imperial propaganda that portrays it like the Death Star was a sinister *rebel* battle platform that the Emperor *heroically* gave his life to stop. Amazing.
Star Wars battlefront (2004) main menu was my all time favorite . Clean simple , cool looking and a great sound track , and best loading screen of all time .
24:49 neat glitch you could do. Max out everything in an online lobby / game. Pick everything that had highest capture rate/ health/ speed/ weapons and side weapons. Turn off the wifi with the psps simple slide to turn off wifi button. Itd kick you from the lobby. And then youd turn it back on and go into any game. Local or online. And youd have every perk and like 240 points out of 100.
10:13 I’m 100% the guy who skipped the space battles. I was a PC player on KB/Mouse, and found it almost impossible to control the ships with that control scheme. I’m very glad that option was available.
Never forget that Pandemic names the shotgun trooper the SHOCK trooper then in the second game they changed the shotgun to a lightning casting SHOCK rifle and renamed the class to dark trooper KEK!
In battle front2 you can earn special weapons when doing certain things with special units. For instance with sniper, get enough headshots you get a stronger sniper rifle. Do this enough times, you can get it permanently.
The reason Elite Squadron exists is because it was gonna be the PSP/DS port of Battlefront 3. The PSP port’s devs were also making a PS2 version, and their work was going just fine. But when the PS3/XB360/PC versions were cancelled, the last gen devs decided to scrap the PS2 version, and rename the PSP version to sound like a successor to Renegade - that way all their work wouldn’t be for nothing. Then the DS devs just followed their lead with the name change.
Battlefront 2015 was probably the most disappointed I've ever been in a video game. I remember seeing the trailer and being so hyped. The game looked absolutely gorgeous, and the sound design was top notch. However all of my hype INSTANTLY left my body after coming home to play it on release. NO campaign mode, NO Galactic Conquest, No Clone Wars, No Class System, NO space battles with capitol ships, The customization was half baked, the Star Card system was grindy an led to one-sided matches, and the extra modes honestly sucked. You could only play spitscreen in the survival mode (the worst mode by a mile). After playing for 10 or so hours I saw writing on the wall. I had already experienced everything the game had to offer. It had a good outline for a game but the content just wasn't there. An outline isn't good enough for a return of one of the most BELOVED gaming series' in history. Then BFEA2 happened and my disappointment turned into sheer unfiltered RAGE. However, I was smart. I didn't pre-order the game. I wasn't gonna let EA do me like that again. I waited until reviews came out and they were abysmal. INSULTINGLY AGRESSIVE monetization tactics, DOGSHIT campaign, and once again lack of content. Luckily they were able so salvage it in the latter half of the games lifecycle, but they had to at that point cause they were being CLOWNED by the entire gaming industry. I GAURENTEE you the Jedi games are result of the absolute PR SHITSTORM that was BFEA2. I'm just glad that the gaming and Star Wars community banded together to combat EA's BS. I really want a dev to give the franchise another shot because the DICE games had potential, they just fell victim to EA's poor management. I want new entry that gives this franchise the love and respect it rightfully deserves.
I think we'll definitely see something at least in the VEIN of a continuation of the series, especially since EA no longer has exclusive rights to Star Wars games AND there's acknowledgement of the popularity of the series thanks to the Classic Collection!
@@NiosaiTRUE. Im excited whats next for the franchise. Tbh give Rebellion a shot at a big budget Battlefront game. They already have experience working with the IP. They made all of the AVP games and those are classics that stood the test of time. They also made the Delta Force franchise and Sniper Elite. A new Battlefront game by them would SLAP.
PSP Elite Squadron is still one of my favourite star wars games ever, it's a shame we never got it as a flushed-out console game would've been the perfect Battlefront 3
27:20 this is all like an ever so slightly more detailed version of Dawn of War - Dark Crusade, which came out one year prior. Highly recommend that for any Warhammer 40k and RTS fan. One of my favourite games of all time.
"It has some cheating going on" yeah we the 2017 BF2 has a huge hacker problem which is annoying because I don't mind that games MP but it's bad with all the hackers.
The number 1 thing that pissed me off for ea battlefront 2, is that the campaign was basically advertised at pure Empire story… BULL!!! 2 levels in, it’s a rebels story!!! IM SO SICK OF THE REBELLION STORY, GIVE ME THE EMPIRE!!!
I played these games before any of the battlefield games and i loved them so when i first stumbled upon battlefield 3 it gave me so much battlefront nostalgia
One thing you missed for BF 2015 (not surprising if you were playing solo), is that for Leia and Palpatine (and later Krennic), 2 players can spawn on you as a "bodyguard" unit. Leia gets the Honor Guard, Palpatine get the red Royal Guard, and Krennic gets Death Troopers. These two players get a few powerful abilities like a rocket launcher as a rechargeable ability and some extra health. It's a shame this wasn't carried over in BF2. One other thing people don't notice, in BF 2015, the sky box would change depending on who was winning the match. In Walker Assault as the Empire gets closer to their objective more Star Destroyers appear and rebel ships begin to get blasted out of the sky or take heavy damage. Or if they're running out of time, the Star Destroyers are on fire or are crashing onto the planet. It was a little detail I always enjoyed in that game. For the most part, I didn't like BF 2015 but those few things I thought were great. 48:25 getting to be a hero was never based on performance in BF 2015 it was always based on finding those random tokens on the map.
Hero Starfighters in Dice's Battlefront 2 is actually different to HvV. From what I remember everyone starts as a ship but when you die you can choose any basic ship from any era. It's round based similar to Hero Showdown and you win the round by defeating the enemy Hero ships. Similar to Battlefront 2015's HvV, actually; minus the fact that everyone starts as a hero rather then three people chosen at random.
4:15 something you didnt mention, maybe it was only on xbox but the story mode first battle is the only time you can play as a basic b1 droid, every other time and in custom games its always the b2 super which is a shame
Bro battlefront 1, need for speed underground 2,Lego Star Wars the Clone Wars,and the Revenge of the Sith my go to games when I was 15 turning 16 years old… Back in the day it was so fun to be a Star Wars fan I loved the first time I
For the original battlefront. people were still playing it, enough to fill 1 lobby, years before the collection was announced. I was playing it in 2022 and played games with 16+ players
Great Video. Only ever played the 4 mainstream battlefronts, but I have always been one of its biggest fans. I only wish the remakes had continued the vision of Star Wars Battlefront 3.
It’s so funny hearing you mention the meta in the early days of battlefront being dodge rolling and nading, that it doesn’t exactly scream spectacular space battle. In hindsight now, dodge rolls and cqc have become the bread and butter of all the best 3rd person shooters 😂
@@Niosaihones if they’d update the graphics a little or in the very least rework the controls to be dual analog sticks I’d still play this all day. It’s by far the best system in any battlefront lol
SW Battlefron Elite Squadron Will be the closest thing to Battlefront 3 featuring a ground Battle to space battle and space battle to ground battle in a single match
I'm still hoping that one day a team can create a Galactic Conquest Mode that is a hybrid of Battlefront 2 and Empire at War. For example, use EaW methodology for the Galactic Map so you can build forces and make armies/ fleets, and then BF2 style to conquer the space and land forces.
When I first started playing BF2, it was the star card upgrade system that left my team at a disadvantage that made me not want to continue playing. It was even worse on release on account of it being random drops - and even after they changed it so this wasn't the case, I continued to think of it as being such.
The only thing i really hate about starwars battlefront 2 in galactic conquest there is always 150 vs 150 reinforcement no matter what so when you take over a planet you dont have to worry about how many troops are there defending it. Some of the old PSP battlefront versions had this mechanic and it was allot of fun Edit: 28:48 Yep thats it. That galatic conquest was very fun
The first EA Star fighter gameplay was edged for the rebels. I can’t tell you how many times as a tie fighter I had perfect hits on non-shielded rebel ships and it had 0 damage. I know it’s perfect hits because the sparks from hits was raining off of the ships. And I do know what the blue shield looks like. It wasn’t the shield.
Hero showdown in bf2 is one of the hardest things ive played. I just bought this game like 2 weeks ago and ive gotten accustomed to most modes, but the skill gap in hero showdown is insane. That mode is where the masters sit for sure.
28:31 ..... he doesnt know........ he doesnt know the horrors of the hackers back then........ the most craziest and destructive weapons to ever hit a battlefront game with one literally being a death star lazer orbital bombardment. Filling the screen. The fly hackers moving around at lightspeed and one shotting you taking 0 dmg cuz they disabled their health mitigation.
I heard they had a build that was 95% done proven by the fact of the old battlefront 3 trailer and how much more polish that was that build is out there somewhere and supposedly EA had it archived….
Skirmish is basically instant action for 2015 and did not exist upon the initial release. It was so much more sparse on release. It also sucks to me that the game’s servers are dead, but I guess that’s what you get for making a modern game focused on/weighted heavily toward multiplayer.
one thing i've enjoyed doing and was sad i couldn't *really* do is being just me without teammates against the entire other AI team. for the OG battlefront 2 i'd kill off my team and it'd usually end up as something like 3 vs 60 which was tense and fun, or setting the AI to 1 and reinforcement count to 15 units and playing my own kind of hunt lol. But with EA battlefront 2, i *have* to have teammates and they keep spawning even when we have "1 unit left" which i really don't like. Actually being the very last guy is thrilling!
What I would want to see in a battlefront game are the following. 1: clone troopers that is your character. What I mean we make phase 1/2 armor with armor and padding, the more armor you have slower you are, but more health you can have. Allow us fully customize like. Let’s say someone wants to make a clone trooper that has Darth Maul marking, go ahead, or even clans could have a ‘clan skin’ thaf the clan leader can make, call it a number and maybe even write a little lore for those corp to add more roleplay to it. 2: Hero having cannon and Legend skins, for example think of Darth Vader with a broken mask showing the face under. Or a Lord Vader that is before he was burn. Or lastly his all white armor. This would have so many custom for hero to mix things up a bit. 3: Ground to Space battles. Using battlefront 2 (2019) supremacy mode, when you capture enough of the ground there a time limit where people can get to an area of ships. Think of people getting into single/double or a group of 6 with the biggest ship getting in and a player to fly out to the next part of a space battle to land in. If you died you get to watch if in time the ship your on coming out of light speed and some can stay on turret or get on the ships to get out and when you have to get back to ground everyone fly down. 4: larger map for more vehicles combat with ground and air battles. And I don’t want it to be something where you wait in a menu to get a chance to click a card no I want to walk up jump in and go. 5: more weapons OR each weapon clearly feels diffrent. 6: Some map having a 3rd party of neutral team. Where they attack both sides 7: if in space battles I would love if possible someone could control the big ships, like that be so cool of course they be slow as hell but that be cool.
I adore 04 my only issue with was unkillable heroes / Villains which at the same time made me love it because it made me feel like im just another soldier in this vast Army
Fun fact with Elite Squadron. if you destroy the Ion Cannon on the ground and have the max points to 5000 it can take anywhere from 20 minutes to 2 hours.
It’s really a shame that EA decided to discontinue support for battlefront two imagine the amount of content we would be getting today if they continued, the potential is wild
i think that dice’s battlefront 2’s presentation feels different from the first because of the overall ambiance. bf 2015 reminds me a lot of battlefield 1 with it’s atmosphere.
I hope we get the r9 build of Battlefront 3 some day 😭💔 This was a really nice and cozy video! ❤️ Your commentary is great and you present everything in a really enjoyable way ^^
lol I got into star wars the same exact way you did. Ps2 demo disc baby. I played the Endor battle non stop, then got into the movies after. When the full battlefront game came out after the demo disc I was the happiest kid ever lol.
You've got a bunch of stuff wrong about 2015, so let me correct you: Firstly, you do own the dlc, otherwise you would only have 3 heroes on each side. Only 2 of the game's multiplayer modes are playable offline, walker assault and fighter squadron. Walker assault being one of the 40 player modes. The other is supremacy, where you capture command posts. Also, heroes were never awarded for performance, the hero pickups were there since launch. Other than that, I really enjoyed this video
I cant believe i sat on the toilet for over an hour listening to a guy talk about star wars battlefront.....and i dont regret it one bit (But now my butt hurts like hell)
I've spent a lot of time thinking about why Battlefront (2015) is visually... sharper than Battlefront 2 (2017), and I'm glad you pointed this out. I think part of it is intentional design choice. Battlefront 2 introduced the Sequel and Prequel eras. While the Original Trilogy was initially shot to have a documentary style, according to Lucas, which based it in a 'realistic' sci-fi fantasy setting and aesthetic, the Prequel and Sequel trilogies exist to sell toys, primarily, and as such are cartoonish at their core. The game would have looked really weird if Clone Wars Anakin was in the hyper-realistic artstyle of Battlefront (2015). The gameplay is also more fluid and arcadey to a degree, so it fit the gameplay as well. I do agree with your take on the lighting as well, however. I'd love to see someone mod that lighting engine at some stage.
Bit of a correction I noticed you mentioned that you could only lock on in battlefront three but that was a feature in battlefront two and would lock your missiles or torpedoes
I genuinely believe that Dices "Battlefront" is both one of the best Star Wars games and worst Battlefront games ever made. It delivers an incredibly satisfying and immersive gameplay experience with rewarding, complex and fair progression systems, a diverse yet non-repetitive sandbox and perfect balance. It does this all while fundamentally failing to understand that Battlefront is just Battlefield in a galaxy far far away, instead opting for a more CoD or Halo type of approach. I honestly think all this game needed to succeed was a name other than "Battlefront". Call it "Galactic Warfare" and it would sell like hotcakes.
I think ea's bf2 in its final form should have been what it was released at plus i loved the fighter assult mode also a video reviewing the starwars rts games would be cool
What would you want to see out of a new Star Wars Battlefront game?
ground to space and galactic conquest returning
Literally ANYTHING😢
Hmmm .....🤔
Utapau the movie scene ep 3
Everything BF3 would’ve had, if it had’ve been released!
@@Wade_Tyler That would be incredible, specifically the seamless space transitions
Playing as a hero in Battlefront 2015 was never based on performance. It was whoever was lucky enough to stumble upon a hero pickup and that was the problem.
Or if you knew where the hero pickups spawned people just camped them the whole game just to get them every time
Omg the worst part was the pickups were like away from the battle so you don’t even rush the battle you spawn and then turn around if you want to be luke 😭
I played it and never figured out what they even look like
Actually, they did test it out along with a health system for heroes bases on kills like on the og battlefront 2, though they removed it after a week or two due to "poor feedback". They never once patched it or tried just skill based or just the health system either, so there was no opportunity for growth there. I'm still salty about that
The entire game was the problem. Those newer battlefronts suck in every way and are hollow shells of the 04 and 05 games
In EAs Battlefront 2, i absolutely recommend doing co-op to level up units and heroes if you are a brand new player or if you just want to get those maxed out star cards. Wednesdays also have triple xp so you can level up real fast. Great vid btw!
Thanks a lot! And tbh yeah I think co-op is the way to go for a beginner
Lol xbox series s doesnt even load starkiller base. Its a bad gamebreaking glitch because the game just crashes.
@@LuccianoNovawierd, I don’t have that issue..?
@@bradleyjenkins2271 only when i play splitscreen coop. I can play some of the missions but any mission that is Starkiller base the game crashes. If you look it up its a known bug. Its stinks because me and my brother planned on 3 star every mission but sadly we cant. My assumption is console limitations.
@@bradleyjenkins2271 splitscreen coop. Me and my brother cant 3 star everything together because starkiller crashes. Its a known bug.
The original Battlefront 2 had 4 player splitscreen on Xbox. I think that is something worth noting.
Whoa! I didn't even know that. My experience as a kid was just PS2 and PC, so that's really cool
@Niosai I had an Xbox while my friend had a PS and I hated playing on there because 4 player splitscreen wasn't an option.
4 player galactic conquest with 2 people on each team made for a lot of fun and we would discuss where to move our cruisers and what upgrades to buy
Indeed, 4 player Splitscreen is often overlooked, not too surprising though since the game was mostly played on PC (no Splitscreen not even in code as far as I’m aware) and PS2 (2 player only).
Oh man. This is a bummer. This new version only shows 2 players on my ps4. @slushg3326
Yeah I own the game on my og xbox, it still looks pretty good too 😊
Very nice to see more appreciation for what Free Radical achieved back in 2008, hopefully one day we'll get a new Battlefront that finishes what they started
That game had SO much potential, it's brutal they never got to show the world in an official capacity
I would recommend battlefront 3 legacy. It uses free radical assets from the battlefront 3 alpha so it's as close as you're gonna get
If BF2 from Dice had cross play for consoles it would have never died. I played that game religiously from launch till it’s end (quite some time after it was free on PS+)
I REALLY hope the new collection adds crossplay so it stays alive
Dice's BF 2 died because it was mostly COD corridor shooter and not Battlefield combined battles.
It took years for them to even add Supremacy. And that was still half corridor shooter.
@@NiosaiThat requires an account system that can be linked between devices, it is a lot of infrastructure work on its own and also requires some backend changes.
Gamespy also does not exist anymore and has been completely ripped out of the collection altogether there is not a system to build from.
Crossplay will therefore most likely not be a thing in the Collection it is simply out of scope for a project of this kind. The collection is more or less about unifying all the versions of Pandemic battlefront (especially 2) as well as adding online for consoles and future proofing the games a little bit in terms of engine tech.
Swbf2 2017 is still alive but your right it would be doing better if it had crossplay
@@Palora01honestly, imagine making a “battlefront” game without multi-passenger vehicles and vehicles explode when you exit them.
55:20 one of my favorite lvls from the campaign. it’s crazy how EA did Luke Skywalker so much more justice than Disney ever could
Props to you for finally being the person to acknowledge how good elite squadron on the DS was.
It was better on the psp
@@darthnox125 ok?
12:47 I'm so excited to get to try out the XL mode in the upcoming remasters. I've mostly played Battlefront 2 on console so it'll be awesome to experience it.
I REALLY hope they add multi-platforn crossplay, I want to see full XL lobbies for years
@@Niosai same. I know Aspyr has done it before with Jedi Outcast (or one of the other Jedi games, I get them mixed up) because I saw a lot of Switch players complaining about PC players beating them. As of right now I'm trying to talk my friends into getting the PlayStation versions because they have confirmed that multiplayer is at least cross gen.
@@cwooddirector I hope it's super successful and they introduce crossplay for that reason
I had the PC version, and ps2 version. You wait...March 14th, I'm getting in an AT-AT and going straight for the generator. Series X this time around...who would have thought?
@@cwooddirectorit was in Academy and it was not really cross play, PC players were just able to find the server consoles used and it created issues, which is why it was also removed.
It was a bug and not proper cross play.
Glad you added some stuff about battlefront 3
That stuff deserves a spotlight!
I love the old games but man 2015 holds the best place in my heart idc what anyone says, the absolute joy i felt seeing the reveal trailer, getting the darth vader ps4 and playing it like crazy. Some of the best gaming memories I've ever had.
The Darth Vader PS4 was BEAUTIFUL. Made so much sense with the color scheme too
@@Niosai my favorite console design and the best gift, plus the controller it was perfect
For the PSP games (Renegade and Elite), your biggest problem for the controls, according to your gameplay, was your absolute neglect of the right shoulder button (the same button used to strafe) for the active lock-on which will also auto-lock on for headshots after a couple of seconds not firing at your target and keeping your aim locked. I.e. you don’t disengage active target-locking, or the enemy rolls; which is something you can do as well in a pinch to disengage enemy lock-on with the circle button.
This same principle applies to space battles; use the triangle button to follow enemy ships automatically and the D-pad down button to switch between targets. Right shoulder button to speed up. (In Elite Squadron this is changed to Left shoulder to speed, and right to auto-follow a selected ship target; D-Pad down is still to cycle targets).
It’s a great bit of gameplay system making up for the PSP only having a single analog stick.
Agreed it was quite an achievement; Rebellion did really well, a shame the PS2 version of their version of the title was never released. PSP is great for what it is however.
At 1:52 they are not called "Shock Troopers," they are called Dark Troopers, and they have lore on them that goes all the way back to Star Wars: Dark Forces, which is now getting a remaster.
He noticed and edited it lol
Fun fact there was and likely still is a bug in Battlefront Renegade Squadron where that point system didnt matter. You could equip whatever you wanted in the menu, close the app and as loong as you didnt go back into the menu you had everything you wanted
I'm gonna have to try that lmao
@@Niosai there is a modded battlefront on ppsspp available on pc, mobile and tablet that offers pandemic battlefront 1 and 2 maps, renegade squadron maps, elite squadron maps, custom ( battlefront 3 inspired ) maps and pc mod maps as well as improved graphics, more skins, up to 32 players per match, custom pc mod controls, hero assault on every map and more vehicles that you could try out for a video mate
Yeah Dice is well known for making visually breathtaking games but they focus so much on that so most other parts of the games suffer. If Dice would have tried to copy the old school 2004/2005 formula with their engine, sound design, and graphics the game would have been perfect. Also Dice could have just made an actual Battlefield game but with Star Wars aesthetics and the game would have been much better than what actually came out. The OG games are timeless and I’ll be spending hundreds of hours on the new classic collection. Those games were my childhood.
I do sort of agree in a sense, and I kind of said something similar in the video. The DICE production values in a more Classic-style Battlefront game would be incredibly cool, but at the same time, I do think it's okay for a developy to try their own spin on an established franchise.
@@Niosai agreed. That’s how we get innovation in music and video games by artists or developers trying something different. That said, what fans wanted (a Battlefront 3) was well known and Dice just incorporated very little from that desired build into their games and just monetized the crap out of it. First game ultimate edition was going for over $100 US and didn’t launch with much and then drip fed content for a year and then the game just died so quick. Then the 2nd with the loot crates….
@@rogerurbanek1564they messed with the core foundation as well. Imagine making a battlefront game without multi-passenger vehicles.
I'd love to see new bf2 with old bf2's gameplay. Maybe the modders could do that for us
@@RetroGamerBB I don’t think they can; they can’t make new maps, bring back any vehicle features, make new vehicles, etc. Mod support for bf 2017 is pretty lackluster
The fact that battlefront 3 is more playable unreleased than a released "classic collection" is crazy to me
a fun backstory-my dad found a copy of the ds version of elite squadron out in the woods when i was around 6 years old.
i fell in love with the story and remember it being so much more mature than my pokémon and mario games.
When I was met by KOTOR music within seconds of clicking on this, I knew I was in the right place. Thanks for this great upload, watched it all in one go, enjoying both the nostalgic memories of the old titles and exploring the new stuff I never got to.
"I'm hoping that the updated re-release has reworked netcode." Apparently from what I'm hearing, uh, it does, but... "I have a bad feeling about this..."
Also, I never knew about any of the mobile versions between the new and old, some of that is really cool.
28:10 *Palpatine:* "We're all looking for the guy who did this..."
Actually, that reminds me of the Rogue Squadron books from Legends, where Wedge and the gang infiltrate Coruscant after Endor and discover Imperial propaganda that portrays it like the Death Star was a sinister *rebel* battle platform that the Emperor *heroically* gave his life to stop. Amazing.
I appreciate that a lot! :)
Also, yeah, I was hopelessly naive about the Classic Collection a couple of weeks ago 😅
Star Wars battlefront (2004) main menu was my all time favorite . Clean simple , cool looking and a great sound track , and best loading screen of all time .
24:49 neat glitch you could do. Max out everything in an online lobby / game. Pick everything that had highest capture rate/ health/ speed/ weapons and side weapons. Turn off the wifi with the psps simple slide to turn off wifi button. Itd kick you from the lobby. And then youd turn it back on and go into any game. Local or online. And youd have every perk and like 240 points out of 100.
Star wars battlefront 3 would have completed my childhood 😢
10:13 I’m 100% the guy who skipped the space battles. I was a PC player on KB/Mouse, and found it almost impossible to control the ships with that control scheme. I’m very glad that option was available.
46:48 you mean the Slave 1? It has a name also
Not anymore lol, the name was changed because disney
@@keitheilish7983 It's never been officially changed. The only people who changed it was Lego so it was more marketable to kids.
Never forget that Pandemic names the shotgun trooper the SHOCK trooper then in the second game they changed the shotgun to a lightning casting SHOCK rifle and renamed the class to dark trooper KEK!
In battle front2 you can earn special weapons when doing certain things with special units. For instance with sniper, get enough headshots you get a stronger sniper rifle. Do this enough times, you can get it permanently.
U talking the original right?
@@LookingTheBestyeah that's what he meant
The reason Elite Squadron exists is because it was gonna be the PSP/DS port of Battlefront 3. The PSP port’s devs were also making a PS2 version, and their work was going just fine. But when the PS3/XB360/PC versions were cancelled, the last gen devs decided to scrap the PS2 version, and rename the PSP version to sound like a successor to Renegade - that way all their work wouldn’t be for nothing. Then the DS devs just followed their lead with the name change.
Battlefront 2015 was probably the most disappointed I've ever been in a video game. I remember seeing the trailer and being so hyped. The game looked absolutely gorgeous, and the sound design was top notch. However all of my hype INSTANTLY left my body after coming home to play it on release. NO campaign mode, NO Galactic Conquest, No Clone Wars, No Class System, NO space battles with capitol ships, The customization was half baked, the Star Card system was grindy an led to one-sided matches, and the extra modes honestly sucked. You could only play spitscreen in the survival mode (the worst mode by a mile). After playing for 10 or so hours I saw writing on the wall. I had already experienced everything the game had to offer. It had a good outline for a game but the content just wasn't there. An outline isn't good enough for a return of one of the most BELOVED gaming series' in history.
Then BFEA2 happened and my disappointment turned into sheer unfiltered RAGE. However, I was smart. I didn't pre-order the game. I wasn't gonna let EA do me like that again. I waited until reviews came out and they were abysmal. INSULTINGLY AGRESSIVE monetization tactics, DOGSHIT campaign, and once again lack of content. Luckily they were able so salvage it in the latter half of the games lifecycle, but they had to at that point cause they were being CLOWNED by the entire gaming industry. I GAURENTEE you the Jedi games are result of the absolute PR SHITSTORM that was BFEA2. I'm just glad that the gaming and Star Wars community banded together to combat EA's BS.
I really want a dev to give the franchise another shot because the DICE games had potential, they just fell victim to EA's poor management. I want new entry that gives this franchise the love and respect it rightfully deserves.
I think we'll definitely see something at least in the VEIN of a continuation of the series, especially since EA no longer has exclusive rights to Star Wars games AND there's acknowledgement of the popularity of the series thanks to the Classic Collection!
@@NiosaiTRUE. Im excited whats next for the franchise. Tbh give Rebellion a shot at a big budget Battlefront game. They already have experience working with the IP. They made all of the AVP games and those are classics that stood the test of time. They also made the Delta Force franchise and Sniper Elite. A new Battlefront game by them would SLAP.
EA Battlefield 2 just feels a bit more acrady or techy. The first one felt so real and immersive but the second feels like a videogame
PSP Elite Squadron is still one of my favourite star wars games ever, it's a shame we never got it as a flushed-out console game would've been the perfect Battlefront 3
27:20 this is all like an ever so slightly more detailed version of Dawn of War - Dark Crusade, which came out one year prior. Highly recommend that for any Warhammer 40k and RTS fan. One of my favourite games of all time.
"It has some cheating going on" yeah we the 2017 BF2 has a huge hacker problem which is annoying because I don't mind that games MP but it's bad with all the hackers.
I weirdly didn't encounter much of that in BF2 but maybe I got lucky!
I also love in the first ea battlefront depending on which side is winning the capital ships blow up in the background
The number 1 thing that pissed me off for ea battlefront 2, is that the campaign was basically advertised at pure Empire story…
BULL!!! 2 levels in, it’s a rebels story!!!
IM SO SICK OF THE REBELLION STORY, GIVE ME THE EMPIRE!!!
I played these games before any of the battlefield games and i loved them so when i first stumbled upon battlefield 3 it gave me so much battlefront nostalgia
One thing you missed for BF 2015 (not surprising if you were playing solo), is that for Leia and Palpatine (and later Krennic), 2 players can spawn on you as a "bodyguard" unit. Leia gets the Honor Guard, Palpatine get the red Royal Guard, and Krennic gets Death Troopers. These two players get a few powerful abilities like a rocket launcher as a rechargeable ability and some extra health. It's a shame this wasn't carried over in BF2.
One other thing people don't notice, in BF 2015, the sky box would change depending on who was winning the match. In Walker Assault as the Empire gets closer to their objective more Star Destroyers appear and rebel ships begin to get blasted out of the sky or take heavy damage. Or if they're running out of time, the Star Destroyers are on fire or are crashing onto the planet. It was a little detail I always enjoyed in that game. For the most part, I didn't like BF 2015 but those few things I thought were great.
48:25 getting to be a hero was never based on performance in BF 2015 it was always based on finding those random tokens on the map.
Hero Starfighters in Dice's Battlefront 2 is actually different to HvV. From what I remember everyone starts as a ship but when you die you can choose any basic ship from any era. It's round based similar to Hero Showdown and you win the round by defeating the enemy Hero ships. Similar to Battlefront 2015's HvV, actually; minus the fact that everyone starts as a hero rather then three people chosen at random.
I love the 2 og Battlefront games, i remember playing them with my dad on his PS2, they are so much fun
4:15 something you didnt mention, maybe it was only on xbox but the story mode first battle is the only time you can play as a basic b1 droid, every other time and in custom games its always the b2 super which is a shame
renegade squadron was so good. i really want it to get added to the classic collection
Bro battlefront 1, need for speed underground 2,Lego Star Wars the Clone Wars,and the Revenge of the Sith my go to games when I was 15 turning 16 years old… Back in the day it was so fun to be a Star Wars fan I loved the first time I
It still can be fun to be a Star Wars fan!
@@Niosai ye it can b done,twilek girls are so cute,too cute as a matter of fact 🤓…
For the original battlefront. people were still playing it, enough to fill 1 lobby, years before the collection was announced. I was playing it in 2022 and played games with 16+ players
XL will be included in the rerelease for consoles
Edit: for all maps
Great Video. Only ever played the 4 mainstream battlefronts, but I have always been one of its biggest fans.
I only wish the remakes had continued the vision of Star Wars Battlefront 3.
It’s so funny hearing you mention the meta in the early days of battlefront being dodge rolling and nading, that it doesn’t exactly scream spectacular space battle. In hindsight now, dodge rolls and cqc have become the bread and butter of all the best 3rd person shooters 😂
Battlefront elite squadron was one of the greatest games I’ve ever played when I was younger. Man I miss it 😢
Elite Squadron is a diamond in the rough, I wish it was on more people's radars
@@Niosaihones if they’d update the graphics a little or in the very least rework the controls to be dual analog sticks I’d still play this all day. It’s by far the best system in any battlefront lol
SW Battlefron Elite Squadron Will be the closest thing to Battlefront 3 featuring a ground Battle to space battle and space battle to ground battle in a single match
This is a great video to tide us over until the Kingdom Hearts Retrospective.
renegade and elite squadron i played when i was growing up and kind of enjoyed it and i remember online was active back then too
Great Video Nio!
Thanks yo!!!
33:49 You actually mentioned it, I USED TO PLAY THAT! I remember it looking different
I'm still hoping that one day a team can create a Galactic Conquest Mode that is a hybrid of Battlefront 2 and Empire at War.
For example, use EaW methodology for the Galactic Map so you can build forces and make armies/ fleets, and then BF2 style to conquer the space and land forces.
You just made me realize I want a large-scale Star Wars hybrid strategy game lmao
I’ll always remember being 5 and playing Battlefront on PS2 for the first time in 2004, taking down my first AT-AT with a dish turret
When I first started playing BF2, it was the star card upgrade system that left my team at a disadvantage that made me not want to continue playing.
It was even worse on release on account of it being random drops - and even after they changed it so this wasn't the case, I continued to think of it as being such.
The only thing i really hate about starwars battlefront 2 in galactic conquest there is always 150 vs 150 reinforcement no matter what so when you take over a planet you dont have to worry about how many troops are there defending it. Some of the old PSP battlefront versions had this mechanic and it was allot of fun
Edit: 28:48 Yep thats it. That galatic conquest was very fun
man, i love these videos. i can’t really explain why, i don’t usually watch these kinds of videos, but i really enjoy these ones. hah
I appreciate that :)
The first EA Star fighter gameplay was edged for the rebels.
I can’t tell you how many times as a tie fighter I had perfect hits on non-shielded rebel ships and it had 0 damage.
I know it’s perfect hits because the sparks from hits was raining off of the ships.
And I do know what the blue shield looks like.
It wasn’t the shield.
5:57 it's not the new announcement, servers for both original battlefronts have quite a few loyal players
Yeah they were absolutely destroying me lmao that tracks
Hero showdown in bf2 is one of the hardest things ive played. I just bought this game like 2 weeks ago and ive gotten accustomed to most modes, but the skill gap in hero showdown is insane. That mode is where the masters sit for sure.
Yeah, it's definitely saturated with people who know what they're doing 😅
Bro didn’t even talk about Hero Assault in Battlefront II. That was beyond iconic for something that was only on one map.
28:31 ..... he doesnt know........ he doesnt know the horrors of the hackers back then........ the most craziest and destructive weapons to ever hit a battlefront game with one literally being a death star lazer orbital bombardment. Filling the screen. The fly hackers moving around at lightspeed and one shotting you taking 0 dmg cuz they disabled their health mitigation.
I heard they had a build that was 95% done proven by the fact of the old battlefront 3 trailer and how much more polish that was that build is out there somewhere and supposedly EA had it archived….
31:00 it‘s called rise of skywalker and force unleashed 2
Skirmish is basically instant action for 2015 and did not exist upon the initial release. It was so much more sparse on release.
It also sucks to me that the game’s servers are dead, but I guess that’s what you get for making a modern game focused on/weighted heavily toward multiplayer.
one thing i've enjoyed doing and was sad i couldn't *really* do is being just me without teammates against the entire other AI team. for the OG battlefront 2 i'd kill off my team and it'd usually end up as something like 3 vs 60 which was tense and fun, or setting the AI to 1 and reinforcement count to 15 units and playing my own kind of hunt lol. But with EA battlefront 2, i *have* to have teammates and they keep spawning even when we have "1 unit left" which i really don't like. Actually being the very last guy is thrilling!
Good time to cover that considering there’s a battlefront collection coming
That was definitely one of the biggest inspirations for sprucing this up! I'm super excited, gonna be there DAY ONE
What I would want to see in a battlefront game are the following.
1: clone troopers that is your character. What I mean we make phase 1/2 armor with armor and padding, the more armor you have slower you are, but more health you can have. Allow us fully customize like. Let’s say someone wants to make a clone trooper that has Darth Maul marking, go ahead, or even clans could have a ‘clan skin’ thaf the clan leader can make, call it a number and maybe even write a little lore for those corp to add more roleplay to it.
2: Hero having cannon and Legend skins, for example think of Darth Vader with a broken mask showing the face under. Or a Lord Vader that is before he was burn. Or lastly his all white armor. This would have so many custom for hero to mix things up a bit.
3: Ground to Space battles. Using battlefront 2 (2019) supremacy mode, when you capture enough of the ground there a time limit where people can get to an area of ships. Think of people getting into single/double or a group of 6 with the biggest ship getting in and a player to fly out to the next part of a space battle to land in. If you died you get to watch if in time the ship your on coming out of light speed and some can stay on turret or get on the ships to get out and when you have to get back to ground everyone fly down.
4: larger map for more vehicles combat with ground and air battles. And I don’t want it to be something where you wait in a menu to get a chance to click a card no I want to walk up jump in and go.
5: more weapons OR each weapon clearly feels diffrent.
6: Some map having a 3rd party of neutral team. Where they attack both sides
7: if in space battles I would love if possible someone could control the big ships, like that be so cool of course they be slow as hell but that be cool.
I adore 04 my only issue with was unkillable heroes / Villains which at the same time made me love it because it made me feel like im just another soldier in this vast Army
It was a lot of fun doing cross-play online for the 2004 Battlefront. I remember playing against Playstation 2 players while I was playing on my Xbox
ok, you convinced me to get the psp games on my vita!
Do it!
Battlefront 1 remake is coop splitscreen in the offline modes I remember just how fun playing survival with friends was
Fun fact with Elite Squadron. if you destroy the Ion Cannon on the ground and have the max points to 5000 it can take anywhere from 20 minutes to 2 hours.
That's actually insane lmao
Rolling and Explosives... Thats was the meta when I played PS2 split screen with my brothers too. XD
It’s really a shame that EA decided to discontinue support for battlefront two imagine the amount of content we would be getting today if they continued, the potential is wild
Battlefront 3 just straight anakin swinging the lightsaber 😂 just l die die die
Great vid mane. Though for some reason Republic Commando still resonates the most till today.
i think that dice’s battlefront 2’s presentation feels different from the first because of the overall ambiance. bf 2015 reminds me a lot of battlefield 1 with it’s atmosphere.
I hope we get the r9 build of Battlefront 3 some day 😭💔
This was a really nice and cozy video! ❤️ Your commentary is great and you present everything in a really enjoyable way ^^
I appreciate that a lot :)
lol I got into star wars the same exact way you did. Ps2 demo disc baby. I played the Endor battle non stop, then got into the movies after. When the full battlefront game came out after the demo disc I was the happiest kid ever lol.
You've got a bunch of stuff wrong about 2015, so let me correct you:
Firstly, you do own the dlc, otherwise you would only have 3 heroes on each side.
Only 2 of the game's multiplayer modes are playable offline, walker assault and fighter squadron. Walker assault being one of the 40 player modes. The other is supremacy, where you capture command posts.
Also, heroes were never awarded for performance, the hero pickups were there since launch.
Other than that, I really enjoyed this video
I cant believe i sat on the toilet for over an hour listening to a guy talk about star wars battlefront.....and i dont regret it one bit
(But now my butt hurts like hell)
We've all been there... I appreciate it, though!
@@Niosai 👍
20:00 the gunplay remind me very hard of Mass effect 3
I played both games a ton on XBOX and had no idea about the first person mode!
The first person modes in the originals weren't amazing, but shockingly functional for how old they are
1:10 "For lore accuracy" Nah fuck that, the spirit of video games is creativity, to not be bound by reality and its expectations
I think the DICE BF2 lets you play less accurate lore-wise?
Games can be anything. Including lore accurate.
Elite Squadron needs another stent in the sun. It was truly a great game sequestered away to handheld. I think modern players would really take to it
Dude, I told so many people that the DS poor is one of my favorite versions of battlefront
I think they added bunch of new stuff and arent saying anything
Hyped to replay the (renewed) classics later this month on console.
How did you get to play battlefront 3????I can't find a download link
I've spent a lot of time thinking about why Battlefront (2015) is visually... sharper than Battlefront 2 (2017), and I'm glad you pointed this out.
I think part of it is intentional design choice. Battlefront 2 introduced the Sequel and Prequel eras. While the Original Trilogy was initially shot to have a documentary style, according to Lucas, which based it in a 'realistic' sci-fi fantasy setting and aesthetic, the Prequel and Sequel trilogies exist to sell toys, primarily, and as such are cartoonish at their core. The game would have looked really weird if Clone Wars Anakin was in the hyper-realistic artstyle of Battlefront (2015). The gameplay is also more fluid and arcadey to a degree, so it fit the gameplay as well.
I do agree with your take on the lighting as well, however. I'd love to see someone mod that lighting engine at some stage.
Correction you played 2 battlefront games and then battlefield star wars
Bit of a correction I noticed you mentioned that you could only lock on in battlefront three but that was a feature in battlefront two and would lock your missiles or torpedoes
The PS servers for SW BF (2015) are still alive (although it is difficult to find lobbies for some modes)
In PSP Battlefront II you could load AT AT's canon and one-shot Echo Base. I really enjoyed it as a kid.
That's incredible, actually
Great Video
Thank you!
My buddies and I still hop on OG BF1 multiplayer every now and then. We're hyped for the re-release and hoping there's a big player boost.
Me too! I just really hope they eventually implement crossplay. Without it, we'll end up in the same dead server situation the games are in now
@@Niosai I really hope they do too.
I genuinely believe that Dices "Battlefront" is both one of the best Star Wars games and worst Battlefront games ever made. It delivers an incredibly satisfying and immersive gameplay experience with rewarding, complex and fair progression systems, a diverse yet non-repetitive sandbox and perfect balance. It does this all while fundamentally failing to understand that Battlefront is just Battlefield in a galaxy far far away, instead opting for a more CoD or Halo type of approach. I honestly think all this game needed to succeed was a name other than "Battlefront". Call it "Galactic Warfare" and it would sell like hotcakes.
I think ea's bf2 in its final form should have been what it was released at plus i loved the fighter assult mode also a video reviewing the starwars rts games would be cool
I loved the infantry gameplay in 2015, especially snow map and volcano
I think it'd be neat to have a smaller-scale game based on BF1
Battlefront 2004 menus inteface absolutely badass.
The one thing the DS version of Elite Squadron has that the PSP version doesn't is a cameo from Rahm Kota.