I would too the last thing he seen before dying was Sam in front of him and megatrons foot steps behind him for all he new the decepticons won I wouldn’t hold back after something like that either if he still held back after that it would be stupid and arrogant
Tbh, prime had it hard when it came there, worried for sam and what the decepticons could do if they get their hands on him, when he was dying he didnt know if they would get sam, and then he comes back only for the fallen to take his matrix and stomp on him, i’d be angry like that too And then later in the movies, ratchet is killed and melted for parts, his mentor betrays him and more stuff happens
I have a feeling it was a very painful moment both physically and mentally. He got stabbed in the spark then exploded, and he looked real bad when he was resurrected 😬
No it isn’t, there is no moment for Prime in the movies where all other options for him has exhausted and has to resort to violence. He doesn’t come to that conclusion, the films only had him go on rampages the entire time, he doesn’t even come to the conclusion
@@HenryLouis21 I was talking about this video at least, and here, only the second scene, killing megaton, and killing sentinel, were moments where there were other options, the rest of the scenes, he had to use violence
@@JP-kp6xv True, Optimus could've used other options on those moments like sparing Sentinel and accepting Megatron's truce. In the other scenes, I think it's most justifiable because Optimus is just fighting the cons which is a different scenario because he is fighting.
Funny because Bayverse is the one who said the freedom quote, and ironically is saying to Sentinel prime in a way to get Sentinel to reflect on his hypocrisy. Which he then goes on to liberate Sentinel of the burden of living Irony
Bayverse prime during the forest battle was more pissed and realising its "do or die" over being ruthless but after the harvester comes online he realises "enough is enough the gloves need to come off"
TFP Optimus: Has morals Bayverse Optimus: Has had it with everyone's shit. (like seriously! He got 3-man ganged on and killed, he got betrayed by his mentor, he got betrayed by the Humans he fought to protect with everything he had and many of his friends died, either in battle or backstabbed. I'd excuse him for being a little... Unhinged after all that."
@@HenryLouis21 just because the movies never outright say it doesn't mean the evidence of him having PTSD isn't there. To you for some reason you just find bayverse optimus a psychopath even though bayverse optimus doesn't smile or laugh about killing others in battle. A true lunatic/psychopath would take their time and take joy out of killing and purposely make it slow. Bayverse optimus doesn't take his time and mostly kills fast even if he's brutal on it he still does it fast he doesn't torture his opponents or purposely is slow on it. He shows BOTH no remorse or joy that isn't a lunatic that's more of a sociopath that cares very little for his opponents. Try to learn the difference between someone who's crazy/mentally insane and someone who just doesn't care. Someone who lacks emotion isn't crazy they just don't care and someone who is crazy has emotion but their emotions are extremely troubled. Edit: Also ever wonder why both your videos have mostly dislikes? this is why. If you spent less time going around commenting on EVERY bayverse related video possible especially ones that involve bayverse optimus and start hating on the bayverse and basically anyone who likes it you wouldn't get as much hate as you do. This is why I don't partake in the fandom all that much anymore too much toxicity you can't even love anything about the bayverse without someone judging you in some way or form. Hell you get literally no hate for liking anything in this fandom even RID 2015 fans don't get that much hate anymore while bayverse fans can get hate for stating a small harmless opinion.
@@Kaiju-bm4ts I'm sorry but there is no evidence of Optimus having PTSD in the Bay films because the films never explore this in the slightest. Also, Optimus showing no remorse for executing Sentinel just plays into him being a goddamn lunatic. Also, Optimus literally screams "I'll kill you," and "give me your face," he doesn't have to take joy in killing the Decepticons, him saying all that shit just shows how much of a lunatic he is. Not to mention that the guy rips someone's face off as well as executing a defenseless combatant of war. Also, don't say that Optimus has PTSD when the movies never show this, I always see this with people who defend these movies coming up with defences and motivations for the robot characters that never happened in the movie or was outright stated.
@@HenryLouis21 Once again optimus killing sentinel while showing zero signs of BOTH joy or remorse doesn't make him a lunatic. You seriously need to look up what a sociopath is. Yes he screams I'll kill you but he says in pure rage not in a state of joy there's a difference when someone kills in rage and when someone kills in joy. A lunatic kills with joy and takes pleasure out of it a sociopath would kill with no remorse or feeling to it most lunatics wouldn't kill with anger in their mind only joy and that's basically it. Optimus kills while showing no joy when he does it or no remorse REGARDLESS if he is saying I'll kill you or not. That makes him a sociopath not a lunatic. Like I said a true crazy person would take joy in killing someone and WOULDN'T show any signs of being angry. Optimus shows signs of being angry when he kills which debunks your assumption on him being crazy especially when he doesn't show joy or remorse in the end. You just seem to focus solely on what he says and deem it as automatically crazy and completely ignore the fact he shows no remorse or joy as a result of killing but he mostly kills out of anger. It just seems like you deem literally any character who kills automatically crazy. If your idea of a lunatic is someone screaming I'll kill you while showing no joy in doing so then you obviously don't know what a crazy person is. Once again the films do show evidence of PTSD in optimus it's painfully obvious to see it's not hard to put 2 and 2 together. You are basically proving my point here you wouldn't get hated as much as if you didn't go around being a dick to everyone who like these movies and try to act like their opinions don't matter. People have their own interpretations of certain things in these movies hell trans theories literally makes theories based off the movies and this theories may or may not even be true but yet they are his own interpretations that people like to hear. He If people want to have their own interpretation of this optimus let them have it.
Keep in mind that the other Autobots in TFP have brutalized Decepticons themselves. Usually when Optimus wasn't looking or wasn't there. Optimus is the only one following his own rules.
Except for megatron he thought prime was gonna let him go but he was about to shot him in the head before dreadwing and some vehicons showed up and he was going to slice megatrons head in two before he had that dark energon awakening so this bs and hypocritical
@@gioclayton6634incorrect megatron didn't even believe he would and Optimus wouldn't and aiming for the head isn't brutal if he did the war would be close to over Optimus doesn't break his rules unless its absolutely necessary unlike Bayverse prime that kills for the shake of killing
@Darth-vade123 Optimus explicitly dropped his own previously held beliefs when he was going to kill Megatron. The same episode he says he was willfully ignorant that time and time again none of them are going to get along, so he declares that "Megatron must be destroyed." in order to end things once and for all. Bayverse Prime doesn’t kill for the sake of killing. Megatron, The Fallen, Demolisher, Bonecrusher and Sentinel would have all gotten the death penalty one way or the other even if they were taken prisoner. They're all irredeemable monsters for the things they've done. Bay Optimus has pleaded with both Megatron and Sentinel to change their ways and they both rejected him.
optimus in tfp does not hold back tho he be murkin mfs there was a scene in season 1 where it was an army of vehicons and he started cutting them in half n shit
@@gioclayton6634 after megatron almost killed ralph, optimus realized that megatron would never change ( unless you exclude the movie) so he knew that if he was gonna stop the war, he would have to kill him.
In defence of Bayverse Prime, he literally died and was the last line of defence for Sam, and for all he knew, the decepticons had pretty much won and we’re going to blow up Earth via the harvester in RoTF till he came back. In DotM, sentinel had Betrayed the Autobots and was about to inslave all of humanity till the Autobots showed up and Optimus just kept losing more and more of his friends to not just Decepticons but also humans. His “dissent into madness” makes plenty of sense and he still didn’t give up on humanity so props to him for still have faith in earth till he found out it was Unicorn lol
To be fair Primeverse have vehicon miner that actually a Decepticon that deserve a second chance While Bayverse, All Decepticon Are Combatant And Soldier That Justify To Be killed
TFA characters too. Although Animated Megatron would rather facepalm at Bayverse Megatron for being so damn in the open and charge recklessly into battle against a frickin natural disaster. Also, he'd facepalm and say "did this idiot REALLY send a fragile little mad scientist (Shockwave) on an open field?!" (He may be a sociopath, but he values Shockwave more on the sidelines than the front)
I feel like Arcee would kinda be into it. Finally a version of Optimus that doesn't get on her case about Arachnid, hell he'll probably help her pluck off her legs. Wheeljack would also like Bayverse Optimus but he might be a bit too much of a berserker for Wheeljack's taste since at his core Wheeljack is special forces, not a frontline butcher.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788Maybe though I kind of feel that Arcee in particular would think that Bayverse Optimus' brutality was going too far. Maybe not when it comes to Airachnid but in general. Arcee has every reason to want to kill Airachnid but she's not out for bloodlust otherwise. Torture just isn't Team Prime's thing.
Bulkhead literally ripped out the internal organs of a Vehicon with his bare hands, and his only gripe about it was Miko watching. They're not strangers to violence.
Optimus from Bayverse has a reason to be brutal, he suffered like hell,He saw friends and family die, he was betrayed, 2 TIMES, he died and came back to life, and there is much more, he is just taking out his anger with reason
Also the autobots didn’t have sanctuary to stay on earth the only reason why the government let prime and his bots stay was to protect earth from the possibility of future con threats they only gained sanctuary between the events of TF 3-4
Bayverse Optimus is believeable as having been a soldier and commander for 100,000 years. But hes also just not a good person like other optimus. Even the next angriest, most battle hardened optimus is Armada, and Armada optimus hasnt seen a thousandth the warfare that Bay Optimus had. Below that its War for Cybertron Optimus who has clearly has significantly less experience then Armada but has been in shit as deep and black as Bay. Basically all other incarnations had short wars and long eras of peace before the story start
Facts movie prime alone from his actions shows he was a character who didn’t overestimate his abilities and was put in situations were he didn’t have a choice or couldn’t take the chance
I think it's because the Bayverse Decepticons are very aggressive and psychopaths there are times when all options are exhausted you can't let them live you have to kill them anyway
I think the issue here is that they never show us this, we never see Optimus progress to the point that he just gives up on his moral code and decides to just kill everybody.
@@_lucas_lacerda_513 What? First of all, learn grammar and some sentence structuring because I have a hard time reading that. Second of all, we don't know why Optimus is like this in the movies, it's easy to say that the war broke him but that's just a lackluster excuse because Optimus is one who remains strong no matter what happens to him.
@@HenryLouis21 it's because I'm from another country and I use Google translator to speak English, and in my defense I say that it's not opitimus but the decepticons that no matter how strong he is, there's no way, the decepticons They are very manic And sometimes optimus has no choice but to kill them all
@@_lucas_lacerda_513 to be fair in primeverse Optimus didn’t killed them in most brutal way even though prime shared the same tragedy as bayverse prime I just hate how they made him a generic Hollywood hero
I think two lines from them being compared sums it up "Autobots do not inflict harm unless all other options are exhausted." And " *G I V E M E Y O U R F A C E* "
You do remember when optimus was about to kill megatron even tho he was defenseless in tfp right and was about to slice his face in half something people love to criticize bayverse prime for
Being ganged up on by five decepticons counts as exhausting all options. Even more, considering he was beaten to a pulp right before, and failure meant Sam being captured and an integral objective falling into Con hands.
@@gioclayton6634he did but megatron crossed the line and don't call him defenseless Optimus was only doing what needed to be done but he wasn't going to brutalize the body like Bayverse prime does
They have been fighting for millions of years, I think that is all the resources they should have to expend in order to call "game over" for the decepticons. Note: read my comment below
@@Darth-vade123 I've changed my opinion on this subject, and I agree. In a more realistic, or at least nihilistic approach bayverse Prime makes sense. But that even then Prime giving in is a stretch, a believable one, but a stretch never the less. I'm not going to go into the fact that despite it's mature nature (the action/ actions of characters), the bayverse is so full of juvenile and sometimes infantile jokes. This is dynamic template of a movie for something, but not transformers. Especially if we intend to follow the source material, while trying to satisfy the sex comedy followed up by one giant robot man ripping apart the face of another (Sam cheating on Mikaela then having Optimus pull apart the helicopter decepticon face) I would have liked Prime being more Opti-mus-tic, this might or might not be punny, but it's true for other people to. People want this out of Prime, because that is who he is. And this could be background for a mature, but still juvenile in some sense story. I could see Optimus being the stoic, yet compassionate leader, and conversely Bumblebee being the trigger happy, childlike, comic relief, while still being a intelligent person. But Bay and whoever was deciding the direction of these movies aren't talented, interested, and intelligent enough to deliver on this.
Bayverse Prime always had to go for the kill because a human was almost always in danger. When TFP Prime saw what Megatron did to Rafael he literally solo stormed the decepticon warship and let Megatron catch those hands with no mercy about to kill him.
I'm glad I'm not the only person who sympathizes with the Bayverse Optimus Prime. He's been through some shit. Some heinous shit. Sometimes the best option really is to eliminate the enemy. Especially one who you know for a fact is gonna betray you and you can't trust them
Seriously, Optimus can't count that he won't have to be a bit more violent all the time. I mean, Decepticons are merciless and they surely wouldn't spare him, his Autobots or mankind from any harm. I totally understand Bayverse Prime. He's still my favorite version from the character.
Although I agree with the first part,I do believe that the TFP Prime or even the original 84 Prime was truly the best. He was strong enough to be kind,and never wanted to hurt anyone unless it was his last and/or only choice. I understand that maybe Bayverse Prime haves bad PTSD and that they’ve been fighting for millions of years but if Optimus himself drops his code,then he truly is no much different from the Decepticons,just in their objective.
@@literally_fran Good answer. I do not totally disagree, but I believe Bayverse Prime's case is even beyond bad PTSD. I do see him like the gentle and wise leader he is supposed to be in all TF medias, but since he is a war veteran, I think he's gotta do the right choices, even though they're the hardest ones. Just like when Megatron asked for a truce. Who knows Megatron's intentions and wicked plans better than Prime? I think he took his decision thinking something like: "We'll end this here once and for all." And I totally agree with him. But I do respect your answer and understand your point of view.
@@axelsouza4011 Brutually murdering people =/= making the right and the hardest choice. Just because he is a 'war veteran' doesn't justify Optimus going around murdering people like a goddamn maniac. Also, being a veteran means that you used to fight in a war, so if Bayverse Prime is somehow a veteran, that means he must've fought in many other wars before the one against the Decepticon. But the comics has stated that this war against the Decepticons is his first war. I always see bayverse fans like you justify Prime's murderous actions as a result of PTSD, but that's not how PTSD works. I don't think you know what PTSD is or how it effects people and veterans. Second of all, there was no reason to assume that Megatron had any more wicket intentions. I get Optimus killing Megatron right there and then but never did they show us Optimus being pushed to making the conclusion that Megatron is beyond redemption and reasoning and needs to get killed when he kept escalating.
Yeah, but Optimus is supposed to be better than them. Someone that inspires others, not just brutally murders someone and then says how much that person has the right to live.
And I feel that that's part of the problem. We have an attempt at a more realistic Optimus Prime (a concept that I think is flawed from the getgo, but whatevs) and we pair him against cartoonishly evil Decepticons. There is a bit of a thematic discinnect in here, is what I'm saying.
In Bayverse Prime defence - when even if you decapitate someone, there's a chance that he will return in another movie (at worst, as character with different name but the same body) taking life kinda takes all the impact.
okay there's a reason why optimus killed all of those guys bonecrusher: he destroyed an entire bus full of people (pretend like there's people inside and not just the stunt driver) he flipped many cars before which could injure humans, he caused a ton of collateral damage and was a threat that optimus couldn't spare... demolisher: same with bonecrusher, many collateral damage and even more casualties... grindor: he dared challenge optimum pride... okay but seriously going by the logic grindor is blackout resurrected, he destroyed an entire military base. with hundreds of thousands of people in it, plus what he did in mission city, if he did anything on that matter... the fallen: he almost destroyed the entire earth, plus the solar system because he was about to harvest the sun, and this guy was the entire reason the deception cause was a thing... shockwave: you already know if you read the rising storm... megatron: he killed optimus before in rotf. plus counting all the deaths he caused in mission city, egypt and chicago. the many human deaths definitely didn't let optimus spare him, he did many bad things. plus keep in mind the original dotm ending. sentinel: he betrayed his own cause and was another reason for the deaths in chicago, also Ironhide :( lockdown: the entire movie was spent building audience's hate on him. until his death was so nice, he killed many innocent autobots and deceptions, so this is why his death was one of the best bayverse villain deaths... infernicous (idek if i spelled it right): idk man...
TFP Optimus: Autobots do not inflict harm unless all other options have been exhausted Ratchet: But what about the movies the humans make about us? That time you stabbed Bonecrusher in the neck? Or that time you shot Demolisher in the face? Or that time when you ripped out The Fallen’s spark and crushed it? Grindor’s head ripped apart? Megatron’s head ripped off? Shockwave’s head ripped apart? Shot Sentinel in the face? Or Lockdown’s head sliced in half?! THAT TIME YOU COMMITTED FRENCH REVOLUTION ON THE INFERNOCONS?! Bulkhead: That’s a lot of kills involving heads. Arcee: Who the hell is Grindor?
TFP Optimus: *Gives Ratchet the greatest death stare of all time* YOU WILL NEVER SPEAK ABOUT THAT ALTERNATE VERSION OF ME EVER AGAIN. *UNDERSTOOD?* Ratchet: Y-yes, sir. Understood... Bumblebee: What in the name of Solus Prime was that?! Arcee: Wait, Bumblebee can speak now?! Bulkhead: And who knew Optimus could get angry like that? Smokescreen: I seriously don't why Bayverse Optimus has a BIG addiction with tearing off people's faces. Bumblebee: Well, as the phrase goes, you sometimes have to just aim for the head.
People are expecting a character who’s supposed to be a hero not to shout “GIVE ME YOUR FACE!” and execute people who had surrendered. That kind of bloodthirsty war criminal is the sort of character any other Optimus Prime would’ve locked up.
Bayverse Prime: suffered one millenia war, lost most his friends, literally died for nothing, afraid of losing a war on Earth like in Cybetron. People: pSYchO!!! Remember what Transformers is about the war? Ah?
Also Bayverse Prime: literally shouted “GIVE ME YOUR FACE!” to another person and killed a surrendering enemy by ripping his head off. It doesn’t matter how much he suffered, because you know what? So did every other Optimus! The difference is that they don’t revel in violence and brutality and will seek peaceful solutions. Bayverse Prime does not.
@@magnusprime962 Need I to remind what Fallen wanted to destroy Sun? What the hell Optimus was supposed to do? Come at him and say: "Hey, let's talk". Or spare him in the end of fight? Well... Fallen CAN come back and bring even more deaths and destruction. It's simply JUST RIGHT to kill Fallen once and for all, so he would not take anymore lives. With Megatron... I agree what it's some strange bullshit, but I can understand why Optimus did this. And honestly he has pretty good reason to kill him. Megatron could just lie. He possibly can assemble decepticons again and never leave autobots, or anyone in peace. The fanbase call him psycho and villain just for killing warcrimers? For killing the right persons and saving entire Eath like... three times? (4, 5 films doesn't count, because they are sh@@@) In the REAL war, this would happened, or even worse.
The more I think about the Bayverse, the more I appreciate Prime's character arc. He started heroic and hopeful man who wanted peace and salvation. But as the movies progressed he was betrayed by a man he looked up to and the humans he swore to protect from his enemies. Now he's tired and jaded from all this conflict and to an extent, it's all he knows now. Sure he's still a hero and cares about the Autobots and the few humans he enjoys being around. But the hope is gone
Something I’d personally love to see a bit more of is giving Optimus a bit of a character flaw where he really doesn’t want to fight until absolutely necessary. And even then, he’s still holding back a good bit, which could lead to some discord about whether the Autobots as a whole should ever go lightly on the Decepticons. Like Optimus is a really gentle character who really doesn’t want a war or to have to hurt anyone, but he’s also the best Autobot to lead them due to his morals (wanting peace above all else being one of those morals). And being leader requires those tough choices that might lead to violence. Giving him a character flaw of almost being too apprehensive to kill would be awesome because it would really convey his morals and character while also giving an interesting dynamic to his leadership style. Almost a kind of naïveté, but not really. And it can springboard some level of debate among his team as well, which could lead to some interesting stories. Plus,in those rare instances where he’s really angry after possibly losing an ally or when he has one of those realizations that he may have to kill Megatron to end the war (someone he doesn’t necessarily want to kill in hope that there’s still some good in his old friend), it can lead to some awesome/badass moments with a lot of emotional impact for his character. I feel like his Transformers Prime characterization played with this idea a bit and seeing that by the end of the series, he actually never killed Megatron and Megatron basically reformed after the Unicron enslavement, it was almost a little rewarding to see Prime’s hope/push for peace over violence to sort of come to fruition. Also to anyone who read this whole thing, sorry for it being so long 😅
I wonder why the robot soldier who tries to protect humans from ruthless decepticons who try to conquer humans and don't value their lives would fight the decepticons
I think people forgetting how many times even top straight up massacred vehicles or the multiple times in season 2 in onward where he was directly going to exterminate megatron but was stopped or forced a retreat
I mean who could blame him. He literally got jumped by 3 big ass dudes, died, came back, meets his old friend who ends up betraying him, he kills that friend, got disrespected the crap out of by the people he and his friends SAVED MULTIPLE TIMES, most of his friends DIE from the people they SAVED!!! So, yeah he has every right to be pissed. He’s getting too old and tired for earth’s crap
In defence of bayverse hes been fighting for millions of years was betrayed by the one he calls brother, was facing even more brutal and psychotic decepticons, literally died with the last things he heard being "youre so weak" and seeing a scared sam with megatrons footsteps behind him, had his mentor and the one he looked up to betray and kill one of his best friends, and the ones hes been protecting for years turn on him and kill his greatest friends realistically hed be a bit angry and more brutal
@user-od9vi4fw1e he is a prime, and part of that his having strong morales. Which is what Bay Optimus lacked and just went for the kill. Megatron even had more morales, so it's obviously not unrealistic
@@Darth-vade123 not true gang tfp prime optimus is also very ruthless when need be but the difference is that bayverse decepticons are more dangerous they dont shoot and miss they actually kill his friends in every movie plus he dies so thats a plus and sentinel killed skids mudflap and ironhide and megatron killed jazz and is also the reason wheeljack is dead did i forget to mention optimus died
@@Kingofmenaces he has strong morals which is why he kills gang if he didnt kill his friends would die and there would be no more autobots leaving decepticons alive makes zero sense if they just kill humans kill autobots and try to enslave and blow up earth everytime we see them
Lets not forget how tfp optimus was actually considering to end a defenseless megatron's life. We'll never know what he would've done, because the decepticons came to megatron's rescue
In every instance shown, all other options are exhausted before the fight even begins. Bonecrusher: Killed at least 10 people. Demolisher: Killed at least 50 people. Grindor: It was a 3v1 where the goals were kill Sam and kill Optimus. He was doing what he had to sp Sam and him wouldnt die. The Fallen: The very reason the war started. The reason Megatron and Optimus are currently enemies. Attwmpted TWICE to blow up the sun and end all life on Earth. Shockwave: A formidable warrior, likely racked hundreds of kills on Cybertron, collasped slyscrappers with people still inside, and refused to die while on the brink of death. Megatron: It's Megatron. Sentinal Prime: Betrayed the Autobots, killed Optimus Prime's best friend using a slow killing outlawed bio-weapon, forced the Autobots to leave Earth, attemtped to kill them all in one fell swoop even after the Autobots did as they were told, ordered the Decepticons to kill thousands of people, attemtped to enslave humanity, ripped off Optimus's arm, and was about to chop off Optimus's head (and thats just what we see in the film. If I do research, I could probably keep going, like how Sentinal is blatantly racist in the comic/novel.) Lockdown: A bounty hunter that Optimus originally planned to just escape from and leave alone. Lockdown came back for blood, and Optimus only took the killing blow when Lockdown was about to kill Cade. Infernicus: It was a 1v7, and you know they would've slowly ripped Optimus piece by piece.
Atleast Bayverse Prime doesn't hesitate to kill Megatron instead of leaving him unharmed so that they can fight again and again which is far more stupid.
Okay then, well shall just go with "all other options were exhausted in the bayverse franchise". Perfectly logical explanation for bayverse Prime. HAHA!
A lot of people forget TFP Optimus became as unforgiving and ruthless as Bayverse Optimus after the events of One Shall Fall. He truly saw Megatron’s true sadistic and depravity after nearly killing Raf and taking pleasure in doing so. That moment when he realized there will never be peace between Autobots and Decepticons and the only way to truly end the war is if Megatron dies. He enters the ship telling the other Decepticons if they don’t step aside, he’ll kill them too before going on a rampage aboard the Nemesis. Then in a later episode when he has Megatron cornered, who taunts him about his moral code asking if he’ll capture him or end it now. Optimus then aims his gun ready to execute him at point blank range. Megatron even notes Optimus wasn’t himself since their last encounter. Optimus Prime is dead, and the decepticons are dealing with somebody else now.
At least TFP's version doesn't seem like a maniac who kills for the pleasure of killing and in the most brutal way possible. He goes decisive against Megatron because in almost all cases it is a lost cause.
@@dropkick2224 That "pitiful boy scout" is what defined Optimus as a character and what makes him an iconic hero. He had a lot of depth in the same way Superman and Captain America have. Also, Optimus being war dilapidated is something explored way more in other incarnations of the character, and even in those universes, they treated Optimus as a character who was still like his G1 incarnation but gave him a lot more growth and depth than the movies could offer.
Bayverse Optimus is the goat he lost almost everything and the decepticons take worlds and destroy innocent life for Megatron beliefs, bayverse prime is still a wise father figure who cares about everything he just wants to protect the earth and make sure the decepticon threat is gone.
I think ther interaction would be interesting because there so similar but because of the cards that was dealt to them lead them down different but similar paths
The movies Optimus is a different character. In the Bayverse instead of being an amnesiac archivist he is essencially a prince to the Cybertronian monarchy of Primes and in a power struggle with Megatron who was called his born (build?) brother in some extended material. So a lot of his murder sprees were because he wants to be in control or doesnt trust the solutions of other characters. Also - no Unicron, just wants a solid alliance with humans so he can kill more decepticons and at some point hire humans for rebuilding Cybertron.
I pointed this out to my family years ago. I'm glad someone people noticed this. But mostly the sentinel and megatron death is what twists TFP Optimus's words. He also said that they shouldn't kill injured and weakened and no longer in condition to fight ir defenseless decepticons or something. Total opposite of what he did to sentinel.
Tfp Optimus: has morals and is practically a dad to all the Autobots and human Allie’s Bayverse Optimus: took lessons from Thanos "……. Thanos: “you should have aimed for the head.” Bayverse Prime: “keeping that in mind for next time I see LITERALLY ANYONE”
Tfp prime: peace comes before death(later in the series after Rachet gets synthetic energon and absolutely goes savage then more episodes later prime nearly kills megatron without too much hesitation/1 - 5% of bayverse prime) Meanwhile bayverse prime had just killed megatron, got jumped then realizes he needs faces even more than the 2 he just got then proceeds to have a head collection
Bayverse Optimus didn't go aggro,he learned from his mistakes. He tried to go with a more peaceful approach in the first movie. (grab the allspark and destroy it, not arousing any conflict) But after realizing this approach caused his friends and himself to die, he can't afford to reason and has to throw hands
To be fair, Bonecrusher initiated the fight on the highway after killing a bus load of people, and Optimus put him down quickly. In the forest fight, Optimus’ main priority was protecting Sam and he only had to lock in and go apeshit when Megatron and his goons made it abundantly clear they weren’t gonna leave without Sam, so his aggression there is clearly justified as well. His fight in Egypt with the Fallen is also justified considering the bastard was about to kill all of life on the planet to harvest the sun, though I do kind of think the “give me your face” line is a bit much. The extra steps in that kill was also a mental deterrent to Megatron from even trying to fight Optimus again. Bayverse Prime’s aggression makes sense, but the movies don’t really focus on that aspect of him. The writing isn’t directed much towards the mentality of Bayverse Prime which is the main issue I have. It makes sense when you read between the lines, but the writing doesn’t make it make sense at face value which really hurts the Bayverse’ already shaky and inconsistent narrative.
TFP Optimus : "Even the most unlikely are able to change" (Probably in the end where him and megatron part ways) Bayverse optimus : "We will kill them all" (DoTM)
I feel as though far too many people judge bayverse prime far too harshly, simply being willing to kill doesn't make someone a maniac, while yes bayverse prime may be brutal at points, all his kills were also quick and decisive, he is called a psychopath for killing genocidal monsters, when in truth he has all the aspect optimus prime should have, he's the the one who is always judged even there are other beloved optimus primes who have done things that are just as bad
TFP optimus literally walks all over bayverse prime. solely cause TFP prime is the definitive prime - violent when he needs to be, but gentle as a feather in the breeze.
In defense of Bayverse Optimus, in all but one of these situations, all other options had been exhausted - time, and time, and time again. That one other situation was Sentinel Prime, and he had just betrayed the Autobots, enslaved humanity, and torn off Optimus' arm. Pretty sure that's justifiable despite Big Blue not having exhausted _all_ other options.
the problem is not that he kills, he is in war, the problem is that he brutalizes his enemies and he enjoys it. I mean between "he is forced to kill because he is at war and they are monsters" and "tearing off the face of his enemies" there is an immense difference and also remember he is the same guy who forced the dinobots to fight a battle against their will in the name of freedom
@@plantainsame2049 it wasn't necessary, it was only being brutal for the sake of being brutal, it is the proof that the bayverse optimus enjoys kills his opponents and wants to do it in the most violent and painfull way possible
@@ironpredator6662 the Fallen was the king of unnecessary violence do you know how many planets would be out there with no lives on them the universe is infinite he could have took it any son but for some reason he wanted the sun in our sky
@@plantainsame2049 aaand... so? the fact that the villain is a piece of shit do not mean that the hero must be a bastard too, eliminate him because is to evil? sure, making a move out of a fridey the 13th movie for the sake of making your opponent suffer? that's just flat out being brutal because you like the idea of being brutal
@@ironpredator6662 I like Bay versus primes brutality it's fun to watch not good for the character though I think it would have been better if he was still brutal but it was actually called out and as soon as a symptom of the war slowly driving him as insane as Megatron yeah but this is Michael Bay so let's not put any thought of it and enjoy the violence and explosion
Alright let's get my defense case started: 1: Bonecrusher initiated the conflict, and let's not act like TFP Optimus hasn't decapitated Decepticons as well. Also what else are you supposed to do with lava energon swords??? Hit them like a bat??? 2: I consider this one a mercy kill considering the wounded state the decepticon was left in, but even if we are going with that it was a execution the decepticon had killed multiple humans during the battle at Shanghai. 3: Yes the kill is brutal but Optimus was getting jumped and rather than backing away from the fight Grindor was slowly approaching Optimus with the intent to still engage him. So Optimus gave Grindor a quick death to neutralize the threat. 4: The Fallen is literally the first decepticon and was planning the extinction of the human race. 5-7: Caused the deaths of multiple innocent humans and planned to have them enslaved for who knows how long it would've taken to repair Cybertron. Even then if it did get finished humanity would be left in an extremely Vunerable position 8: Hunted down his allies, engaged him numerous times in combat, stabbed his own sword through Optimus's chest. 9: The guys were trying to jump Optimus and he gave them all a quick death to handle the situation.
Ever since he got jumped and in the forest in Revenge of the Fallen, Bayverse Prime had been a straight Savage. 😂😂
I would too the last thing he seen before dying was Sam in front of him and megatrons foot steps behind him for all he new the decepticons won I wouldn’t hold back after something like that either if he still held back after that it would be stupid and arrogant
He literally died and has been betrayed so many times in the movies
Tbh, prime had it hard when it came there, worried for sam and what the decepticons could do if they get their hands on him, when he was dying he didnt know if they would get sam, and then he comes back only for the fallen to take his matrix and stomp on him, i’d be angry like that too
And then later in the movies, ratchet is killed and melted for parts, his mentor betrays him and more stuff happens
I have a feeling it was a very painful moment both physically and mentally. He got stabbed in the spark then exploded, and he looked real bad when he was resurrected 😬
Don't forgot his first fight in the first movie
In defense of Bayverse prime, in a lot of these scenarios, all the other options were already exhausted
No it isn’t, there is no moment for Prime in the movies where all other options for him has exhausted and has to resort to violence. He doesn’t come to that conclusion, the films only had him go on rampages the entire time, he doesn’t even come to the conclusion
@@HenryLouis21 I was talking about this video at least, and here, only the second scene, killing megaton, and killing sentinel, were moments where there were other options, the rest of the scenes, he had to use violence
@@HenryLouis21 shut up you bayverse hater
@@JP-kp6xv True, Optimus could've used other options on those moments like sparing Sentinel and accepting Megatron's truce. In the other scenes, I think it's most justifiable because Optimus is just fighting the cons which is a different scenario because he is fighting.
@@ophidesanti What, are you gonna cry?
*TFP Optimus Prime:* "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings."
*Bayverse Optimus Prime:* "RIP AND TEAR UNTIL IT IS DONE!"
a doom fan I see
They weren't
Funny because Bayverse is the one who said the freedom quote, and ironically is saying to Sentinel prime in a way to get Sentinel to reflect on his hypocrisy.
Which he then goes on to liberate Sentinel of the burden of living
Irony
Doom Fan indeed.
Certified doom fan
Bayverse prime during the forest battle was more pissed and realising its "do or die" over being ruthless but after the harvester comes online he realises "enough is enough the gloves need to come off"
TFP Optimus: Has morals
Bayverse Optimus: Has had it with everyone's shit. (like seriously! He got 3-man ganged on and killed, he got betrayed by his mentor, he got betrayed by the Humans he fought to protect with everything he had and many of his friends died, either in battle or backstabbed. I'd excuse him for being a little... Unhinged after all that."
"a little"?
Considerably unhinged by the time of AOE.
Bayverse optimus is just bad.
@cringekiller348 you mean bad guy?
@@cringekiller348 you mean a baddie?
Bay Prime is too much of a grizzled old veteran to care about his original moral code. He’s got really bad PTSD.
Dying will do that to someone.
If he’s got PTSD then the movies never conveyed this in any way, he’s just a lunatic with no morals.
@@HenryLouis21 just because the movies never outright say it doesn't mean the evidence of him having PTSD isn't there. To you for some reason you just find bayverse optimus a psychopath even though bayverse optimus doesn't smile or laugh about killing others in battle. A true lunatic/psychopath would take their time and take joy out of killing and purposely make it slow. Bayverse optimus doesn't take his time and mostly kills fast even if he's brutal on it he still does it fast he doesn't torture his opponents or purposely is slow on it. He shows BOTH no remorse or joy that isn't a lunatic that's more of a sociopath that cares very little for his opponents. Try to learn the difference between someone who's crazy/mentally insane and someone who just doesn't care. Someone who lacks emotion isn't crazy they just don't care and someone who is crazy has emotion but their emotions are extremely troubled.
Edit: Also ever wonder why both your videos have mostly dislikes? this is why. If you spent less time going around commenting on EVERY bayverse related video possible especially ones that involve bayverse optimus and start hating on the bayverse and basically anyone who likes it you wouldn't get as much hate as you do. This is why I don't partake in the fandom all that much anymore too much toxicity you can't even love anything about the bayverse without someone judging you in some way or form. Hell you get literally no hate for liking anything in this fandom even RID 2015 fans don't get that much hate anymore while bayverse fans can get hate for stating a small harmless opinion.
@@Kaiju-bm4ts I'm sorry but there is no evidence of Optimus having PTSD in the Bay films because the films never explore this in the slightest. Also, Optimus showing no remorse for executing Sentinel just plays into him being a goddamn lunatic. Also, Optimus literally screams "I'll kill you," and "give me your face," he doesn't have to take joy in killing the Decepticons, him saying all that shit just shows how much of a lunatic he is. Not to mention that the guy rips someone's face off as well as executing a defenseless combatant of war. Also, don't say that Optimus has PTSD when the movies never show this, I always see this with people who defend these movies coming up with defences and motivations for the robot characters that never happened in the movie or was outright stated.
@@HenryLouis21 Once again optimus killing sentinel while showing zero signs of BOTH joy or remorse doesn't make him a lunatic. You seriously need to look up what a sociopath is. Yes he screams I'll kill you but he says in pure rage not in a state of joy there's a difference when someone kills in rage and when someone kills in joy. A lunatic kills with joy and takes pleasure out of it a sociopath would kill with no remorse or feeling to it most lunatics wouldn't kill with anger in their mind only joy and that's basically it. Optimus kills while showing no joy when he does it or no remorse REGARDLESS if he is saying I'll kill you or not. That makes him a sociopath not a lunatic. Like I said a true crazy person would take joy in killing someone and WOULDN'T show any signs of being angry. Optimus shows signs of being angry when he kills which debunks your assumption on him being crazy especially when he doesn't show joy or remorse in the end. You just seem to focus solely on what he says and deem it as automatically crazy and completely ignore the fact he shows no remorse or joy as a result of killing but he mostly kills out of anger. It just seems like you deem literally any character who kills automatically crazy. If your idea of a lunatic is someone screaming I'll kill you while showing no joy in doing so then you obviously don't know what a crazy person is.
Once again the films do show evidence of PTSD in optimus it's painfully obvious to see it's not hard to put 2 and 2 together. You are basically proving my point here you wouldn't get hated as much as if you didn't go around being a dick to everyone who like these movies and try to act like their opinions don't matter. People have their own interpretations of certain things in these movies hell trans theories literally makes theories based off the movies and this theories may or may not even be true but yet they are his own interpretations that people like to hear. He If people want to have their own interpretation of this optimus let them have it.
Tfp optimus: autobot do not inflict harm
Bayverse optimus prime: GIVE ME YOUR FACE
Well demolisher , The Fallen , Sentinel Prime , Megatron , And that Human deserved to die as well Lockdown.
Driller:ofc im dead too
Meanwhile TFP Optimus wiped out thousands of vehicons who stood no chance against him to begin with
@@thomasturtle7207 & Then Enslaved them to work on rebuilding Cybertron
@@thomasturtle7207incorrect he doesn't fire back unless fired on
Keep in mind that the other Autobots in TFP have brutalized Decepticons themselves. Usually when Optimus wasn't looking or wasn't there. Optimus is the only one following his own rules.
Except for megatron he thought prime was gonna let him go but he was about to shot him in the head before dreadwing and some vehicons showed up and he was going to slice megatrons head in two before he had that dark energon awakening so this bs and hypocritical
@@gioclayton6634incorrect megatron didn't even believe he would and Optimus wouldn't and aiming for the head isn't brutal if he did the war would be close to over Optimus doesn't break his rules unless its absolutely necessary unlike Bayverse prime that kills for the shake of killing
@Darth-vade123 Optimus explicitly dropped his own previously held beliefs when he was going to kill Megatron. The same episode he says he was willfully ignorant that time and time again none of them are going to get along, so he declares that "Megatron must be destroyed." in order to end things once and for all.
Bayverse Prime doesn’t kill for the sake of killing. Megatron, The Fallen, Demolisher, Bonecrusher and Sentinel would have all gotten the death penalty one way or the other even if they were taken prisoner. They're all irredeemable monsters for the things they've done.
Bay Optimus has pleaded with both Megatron and Sentinel to change their ways and they both rejected him.
optimus in tfp does not hold back tho he be murkin mfs there was a scene in season 1 where it was an army of vehicons and he started cutting them in half n shit
@@gioclayton6634 after megatron almost killed ralph, optimus realized that megatron would never change ( unless you exclude the movie) so he knew that if he was gonna stop the war, he would have to kill him.
TFP Prime: *Peaceful speech*
Bayverse Prime: GIVE ME YOUR FACE
Bayverse Prime: GIVE ME YOU FACE!
Also Bayverse Prime: peaceful speech with Linkin Park soundtrack
@@acceso_directo but stil tho
"GIVE ME YOUR FACE"
You are not a true fan of optimus ! ashole
In defence of Bayverse Prime, he literally died and was the last line of defence for Sam, and for all he knew, the decepticons had pretty much won and we’re going to blow up Earth via the harvester in RoTF till he came back. In DotM, sentinel had Betrayed the Autobots and was about to inslave all of humanity till the Autobots showed up and Optimus just kept losing more and more of his friends to not just Decepticons but also humans. His “dissent into madness” makes plenty of sense and he still didn’t give up on humanity so props to him for still have faith in earth till he found out it was Unicorn lol
"Unicorn." 😭
Optimus: Wait, it's all Unicorn?
Quintessa: Always has been.
“That’s Uni*cron*! As in the ultimate evil? Ugh, permission to have that stricken from the record.”
@@Remyzxn lmfao I just realized the typo 💀💀💀
@@42Kurama lol it's ight
Tfp prime: Some decepticons have chance to change
Bayverse prime: *Rips off Megatron's head*
"I can change him" vs "Does he really deserve an umpteenth chance?"
I mean even Megatron never change after ressurected or become Galvatron. He still pretty much always the same XD
@@jontuxen2724 well wouldn't you be still mad, after the guy you just saved rips off your head with an axe even after suggesting a truce
@@thomasstocksmayer4338 Nah. It just what Bayverse Optimus supposed to do. Aim for the head
To be fair
Primeverse have vehicon miner that actually a Decepticon that deserve a second chance
While Bayverse, All Decepticon Are Combatant And Soldier That Justify To Be killed
TFP characters would be flabbergasted at watching Bayformers.
TFA characters too.
Although Animated Megatron would rather facepalm at Bayverse Megatron for being so damn in the open and charge recklessly into battle against a frickin natural disaster.
Also, he'd facepalm and say "did this idiot REALLY send a fragile little mad scientist (Shockwave) on an open field?!" (He may be a sociopath, but he values Shockwave more on the sidelines than the front)
I feel like Arcee would kinda be into it.
Finally a version of Optimus that doesn't get on her case about Arachnid, hell he'll probably help her pluck off her legs.
Wheeljack would also like Bayverse Optimus but he might be a bit too much of a berserker for Wheeljack's taste since at his core Wheeljack is special forces, not a frontline butcher.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788Maybe though I kind of feel that Arcee in particular would think that Bayverse Optimus' brutality was going too far. Maybe not when it comes to Airachnid but in general. Arcee has every reason to want to kill Airachnid but she's not out for bloodlust otherwise. Torture just isn't Team Prime's thing.
Bulkhead literally ripped out the internal organs of a Vehicon with his bare hands, and his only gripe about it was Miko watching. They're not strangers to violence.
@@anthonyt5 yeah but there is a huge difference between killing someone in a fight and executing an incapacitated soldier.
Optimus from Bayverse has a reason to be brutal, he suffered like hell,He saw friends and family die, he was betrayed, 2 TIMES, he died and came back to life, and there is much more, he is just taking out his anger with reason
Also the autobots didn’t have sanctuary to stay on earth the only reason why the government let prime and his bots stay was to protect earth from the possibility of future con threats they only gained sanctuary between the events of TF 3-4
Bayverse Optimus is believeable as having been a soldier and commander for 100,000 years. But hes also just not a good person like other optimus. Even the next angriest, most battle hardened optimus is Armada, and Armada optimus hasnt seen a thousandth the warfare that Bay Optimus had. Below that its War for Cybertron Optimus who has clearly has significantly less experience then Armada but has been in shit as deep and black as Bay. Basically all other incarnations had short wars and long eras of peace before the story start
@@F14thunderhawk hes been fighting for way longer than 100000 years gang optimus is 8 million years old
"Give Me Your Face"
- Probably a Decepticon
Nah, Optimus said that in transformers revenge of the fallen
Bonecrusher was legit commiting mass murder and Prime had to kill him so he would stop him and get to the city to help secure the All Spark safely.
Facts movie prime alone from his actions shows he was a character who didn’t overestimate his abilities and was put in situations were he didn’t have a choice or couldn’t take the chance
Not mad about that it's what came in the sequel to TF1 that is the problem
@Darth-vade123 I agree. Tf1 Prime was fine but sequel Prime was unhinged.
@@thelvadam90 indeed hope new Optimus stays sane
Damn...Optimus always aim for the head 💀
Unlike Thor,he learns.
@@Vilgax00and now hemsworth is playing Optimus Prime
@@Z41D823 we are doomed.
He's REALLY rubbing it in thor's face
unlike the deceptions who aim for the spark
I think it's because the Bayverse Decepticons are very aggressive and psychopaths there are times when all options are exhausted you can't let them live you have to kill them anyway
I think the issue here is that they never show us this, we never see Optimus progress to the point that he just gives up on his moral code and decides to just kill everybody.
@@HenryLouis21 yeah, is the only continuity when we see Opitimus kill ever decepticon, but i think that have one reason to he do that
@@_lucas_lacerda_513 What? First of all, learn grammar and some sentence structuring because I have a hard time reading that. Second of all, we don't know why Optimus is like this in the movies, it's easy to say that the war broke him but that's just a lackluster excuse because Optimus is one who remains strong no matter what happens to him.
@@HenryLouis21 it's because I'm from another country and I use Google translator to speak English, and in my defense I say that it's not opitimus but the decepticons that no matter how strong he is, there's no way, the decepticons They are very manic And sometimes optimus has no choice but to kill them all
@@_lucas_lacerda_513 to be fair in primeverse Optimus didn’t killed them in most brutal way even though prime shared the same tragedy as bayverse prime I just hate how they made him a generic Hollywood hero
I think two lines from them being compared sums it up
"Autobots do not inflict harm unless all other options are exhausted."
And
" *G I V E M E Y O U R F A C E* "
You do remember when optimus was about to kill megatron even tho he was defenseless in tfp right and was about to slice his face in half something people love to criticize bayverse prime for
Being ganged up on by five decepticons counts as exhausting all options.
Even more, considering he was beaten to a pulp right before, and failure meant Sam being captured and an integral objective falling into Con hands.
@@anxiousearth680 He said give me your face when he was ripping off the Fallen's face. He was easily overpowering them.
@@gioclayton6634 he didn't though that's the point he had an option but chose to honorable
@@gioclayton6634he did but megatron crossed the line and don't call him defenseless Optimus was only doing what needed to be done but he wasn't going to brutalize the body like Bayverse prime does
They have been fighting for millions of years, I think that is all the resources they should have to expend in order to call "game over" for the decepticons.
Note: read my comment below
TFP prime also did the same But you don't see him being a war monger
@@Darth-vade123 I've changed my opinion on this subject, and I agree.
In a more realistic, or at least nihilistic approach bayverse Prime makes sense.
But that even then Prime giving in is a stretch, a believable one, but a stretch never the less.
I'm not going to go into the fact that despite it's mature nature (the action/ actions of characters), the bayverse is so full of juvenile and sometimes infantile jokes. This is dynamic template of a movie for something, but not transformers. Especially if we intend to follow the source material, while trying to satisfy the sex comedy followed up by one giant robot man ripping apart the face of another
(Sam cheating on Mikaela then having Optimus pull apart the helicopter decepticon face)
I would have liked Prime being more Opti-mus-tic, this might or might not be punny, but it's true for other people to.
People want this out of Prime, because that is who he is. And this could be background for a mature, but still juvenile in some sense story. I could see Optimus being the stoic, yet compassionate leader, and conversely Bumblebee being the trigger happy, childlike, comic relief, while still being a intelligent person.
But Bay and whoever was deciding the direction of these movies aren't talented, interested, and intelligent enough to deliver on this.
@@carmelorosario155 I get your point Bayverse prime is just so far off from every other version of him that's my problem he's to much of a war monger
@@carmelorosario155in terms of Sam "cheating" it looked more like assault by robot lady to me 😓
Can agree with everything else though
Bayverse Prime always had to go for the kill because a human was almost always in danger. When TFP Prime saw what Megatron did to Rafael he literally solo stormed the decepticon warship and let Megatron catch those hands with no mercy about to kill him.
He had to megatron was to dangerous after all but that's the point when the chips are down TFP Optimus does what must be done
TFP Optimus: Everyone deserves freedom
Bayverse prime: *WAR CRIMES FOREVER*
Bayverse prime is tired of everyones shit
Yes. He driven to the edge.
I love how brutal the deaths are in the Bayverse 😂
I'm glad I'm not the only person who sympathizes with the Bayverse Optimus Prime. He's been through some shit. Some heinous shit. Sometimes the best option really is to eliminate the enemy. Especially one who you know for a fact is gonna betray you and you can't trust them
TFP Optimus: a caring leader
Bayverse Optimus: *GIVE ME YOUR FACE*
Seriously, Optimus can't count that he won't have to be a bit more violent all the time. I mean, Decepticons are merciless and they surely wouldn't spare him, his Autobots or mankind from any harm. I totally understand Bayverse Prime. He's still my favorite version from the character.
Although I agree with the first part,I do believe that the TFP Prime or even the original 84 Prime was truly the best. He was strong enough to be kind,and never wanted to hurt anyone unless it was his last and/or only choice. I understand that maybe Bayverse Prime haves bad PTSD and that they’ve been fighting for millions of years but if Optimus himself drops his code,then he truly is no much different from the Decepticons,just in their objective.
@@literally_fran Good answer. I do not totally disagree, but I believe Bayverse Prime's case is even beyond bad PTSD. I do see him like the gentle and wise leader he is supposed to be in all TF medias, but since he is a war veteran, I think he's gotta do the right choices, even though they're the hardest ones. Just like when Megatron asked for a truce. Who knows Megatron's intentions and wicked plans better than Prime? I think he took his decision thinking something like: "We'll end this here once and for all." And I totally agree with him. But I do respect your answer and understand your point of view.
@@axelsouza4011 Brutually murdering people =/= making the right and the hardest choice.
Just because he is a 'war veteran' doesn't justify Optimus going around murdering people like a goddamn maniac. Also, being a veteran means that you used to fight in a war, so if Bayverse Prime is somehow a veteran, that means he must've fought in many other wars before the one against the Decepticon. But the comics has stated that this war against the Decepticons is his first war.
I always see bayverse fans like you justify Prime's murderous actions as a result of PTSD, but that's not how PTSD works. I don't think you know what PTSD is or how it effects people and veterans. Second of all, there was no reason to assume that Megatron had any more wicket intentions. I get Optimus killing Megatron right there and then but never did they show us Optimus being pushed to making the conclusion that Megatron is beyond redemption and reasoning and needs to get killed when he kept escalating.
Yes
Yeah, but Optimus is supposed to be better than them. Someone that inspires others, not just brutally murders someone and then says how much that person has the right to live.
To be fair, bayverse decepticons are bloodthirsty killing machines with no remorse.
And I feel that that's part of the problem.
We have an attempt at a more realistic Optimus Prime (a concept that I think is flawed from the getgo, but whatevs) and we pair him against cartoonishly evil Decepticons.
There is a bit of a thematic discinnect in here, is what I'm saying.
In Bayverse Prime defence - when even if you decapitate someone, there's a chance that he will return in another movie (at worst, as character with different name but the same body) taking life kinda takes all the impact.
okay there's a reason why optimus killed all of those guys
bonecrusher: he destroyed an entire bus full of people (pretend like there's people inside and not just the stunt driver) he flipped many cars before which could injure humans, he caused a ton of collateral damage and was a threat that optimus couldn't spare...
demolisher: same with bonecrusher, many collateral damage and even more casualties...
grindor: he dared challenge optimum pride...
okay but seriously going by the logic grindor is blackout resurrected, he destroyed an entire military base. with hundreds of thousands of people in it, plus what he did in mission city, if he did anything on that matter...
the fallen: he almost destroyed the entire earth, plus the solar system because he was about to harvest the sun, and this guy was the entire reason the deception cause was a thing...
shockwave: you already know if you read the rising storm...
megatron: he killed optimus before in rotf. plus counting all the deaths he caused in mission city, egypt and chicago. the many human deaths definitely didn't let optimus spare him, he did many bad things. plus keep in mind the original dotm ending.
sentinel: he betrayed his own cause and was another reason for the deaths in chicago, also Ironhide :(
lockdown: the entire movie was spent building audience's hate on him. until his death was so nice, he killed many innocent autobots and deceptions, so this is why his death was one of the best bayverse villain deaths...
infernicous (idek if i spelled it right): idk man...
Understandable
@@Dinobot444 have a great day
@@some_body_else3636 you too
@@Dinobot444 👍🏻
he has reason, yes i agree but,,,
"GIVE ME YOUR FACE"
Bayverse prime is the definition of a hero. If the enemy wanted to live they should not have gone to war. Evil must simply be gotten rid off.
War crimes make you beholden to the Geneva convention.
@@COrraThereal0ne Killing a combatant isn't a war crime. While decepticons casually steps on any civilians they come across.
A hero doesn’t enjoy killing.
GIVE ME YOUR FACE!!!
@@thenerdlord8894
Optimus doesn't enjoy killing
*For better understanding*
Tfp Prime: Talk Now, Fight Later
Bayverse Prime: Fight Now, Talk Never
TFP Optimus: Autobots do not inflict harm unless all other options have been exhausted
Ratchet: But what about the movies the humans make about us? That time you stabbed Bonecrusher in the neck? Or that time you shot Demolisher in the face? Or that time when you ripped out The Fallen’s spark and crushed it? Grindor’s head ripped apart? Megatron’s head ripped off? Shockwave’s head ripped apart? Shot Sentinel in the face? Or Lockdown’s head sliced in half?! THAT TIME YOU COMMITTED FRENCH REVOLUTION ON THE INFERNOCONS?!
Bulkhead: That’s a lot of kills involving heads.
Arcee: Who the hell is Grindor?
TFP Optimus: *Gives Ratchet the greatest death stare of all time* YOU WILL NEVER SPEAK ABOUT THAT ALTERNATE VERSION OF ME EVER AGAIN. *UNDERSTOOD?*
Ratchet: Y-yes, sir. Understood...
Bumblebee: What in the name of Solus Prime was that?!
Arcee: Wait, Bumblebee can speak now?!
Bulkhead: And who knew Optimus could get angry like that?
Smokescreen: I seriously don't why Bayverse Optimus has a BIG addiction with tearing off people's faces.
Bumblebee: Well, as the phrase goes, you sometimes have to just aim for the head.
I always loved bayverse prime. Yk why? Because he built like that, what a damn menace 💪🏾
Crazy how prime and g1 Optimus is way better
Bayverse optimus prime: "Gladiator"movie 2000💀
Bro 2 optimus are from built different and universe
People really expected him being like g1 😭, imagine villains try to kill you and you say morals to them 😀
People are expecting a character who’s supposed to be a hero not to shout “GIVE ME YOUR FACE!” and execute people who had surrendered. That kind of bloodthirsty war criminal is the sort of character any other Optimus Prime would’ve locked up.
Bayverse Prime: suffered one millenia war, lost most his friends, literally died for nothing, afraid of losing a war on Earth like in Cybetron.
People: pSYchO!!!
Remember what Transformers is about the war? Ah?
Psychos are created by certain events. War is a heavy contender. Calling him a broken war veteran is just a nicer name
Also Bayverse Prime: literally shouted “GIVE ME YOUR FACE!” to another person and killed a surrendering enemy by ripping his head off.
It doesn’t matter how much he suffered, because you know what? So did every other Optimus! The difference is that they don’t revel in violence and brutality and will seek peaceful solutions. Bayverse Prime does not.
@@magnusprime962 Need I to remind what Fallen wanted to destroy Sun? What the hell Optimus was supposed to do? Come at him and say: "Hey, let's talk". Or spare him in the end of fight?
Well... Fallen CAN come back and bring even more deaths and destruction. It's simply JUST RIGHT to kill Fallen once and for all, so he would not take anymore lives.
With Megatron... I agree what it's some strange bullshit, but I can understand why Optimus did this. And honestly he has pretty good reason to kill him.
Megatron could just lie. He possibly can assemble decepticons again and never leave autobots, or anyone in peace.
The fanbase call him psycho and villain just for killing warcrimers? For killing the right persons and saving entire Eath like... three times? (4, 5 films doesn't count, because they are sh@@@)
In the REAL war, this would happened, or even worse.
Nice Strawman. Next time make an more creative example.
@@magnusprime962 you are also probably a kid
The more I think about the Bayverse, the more I appreciate Prime's character arc. He started heroic and hopeful man who wanted peace and salvation. But as the movies progressed he was betrayed by a man he looked up to and the humans he swore to protect from his enemies. Now he's tired and jaded from all this conflict and to an extent, it's all he knows now. Sure he's still a hero and cares about the Autobots and the few humans he enjoys being around. But the hope is gone
he regained his hope in the third act of TF4
I saw bayverse optimus as the optimus that is doomed to rise up because of the war.
Something I’d personally love to see a bit more of is giving Optimus a bit of a character flaw where he really doesn’t want to fight until absolutely necessary. And even then, he’s still holding back a good bit, which could lead to some discord about whether the Autobots as a whole should ever go lightly on the Decepticons. Like Optimus is a really gentle character who really doesn’t want a war or to have to hurt anyone, but he’s also the best Autobot to lead them due to his morals (wanting peace above all else being one of those morals). And being leader requires those tough choices that might lead to violence.
Giving him a character flaw of almost being too apprehensive to kill would be awesome because it would really convey his morals and character while also giving an interesting dynamic to his leadership style. Almost a kind of naïveté, but not really. And it can springboard some level of debate among his team as well, which could lead to some interesting stories. Plus,in those rare instances where he’s really angry after possibly losing an ally or when he has one of those realizations that he may have to kill Megatron to end the war (someone he doesn’t necessarily want to kill in hope that there’s still some good in his old friend), it can lead to some awesome/badass moments with a lot of emotional impact for his character.
I feel like his Transformers Prime characterization played with this idea a bit and seeing that by the end of the series, he actually never killed Megatron and Megatron basically reformed after the Unicron enslavement, it was almost a little rewarding to see Prime’s hope/push for peace over violence to sort of come to fruition.
Also to anyone who read this whole thing, sorry for it being so long 😅
I mean, in TFP he did resolve to kill Megatron at some point. He just never could. They were too evenly matched.
I wonder why the robot soldier who tries to protect humans from ruthless decepticons who try to conquer humans and don't value their lives would fight the decepticons
There’s a difference between fighting and reveling in brutality. Bayverse Optimus does the latter, the others do the former.
@@magnusprime962 decepticons killed his friends thats how he vents
@@toniotrussardi8126 That is not a healthy nor heroic method of ‘venting’.
Bayverse Optimus: «Freedom is the right of all sentient beings»
TFP Optimus: **captures Starscream TWICE for personal gain**
to be fair, starscream was boutta die if they didnt do anything
I think people forgetting how many times even top straight up massacred vehicles or the multiple times in season 2 in onward where he was directly going to exterminate megatron but was stopped or forced a retreat
In bayverse, when it comes to villains Optimus is just plain ruthless
This is the definition of out of context arguments
I mean who could blame him. He literally got jumped by 3 big ass dudes, died, came back, meets his old friend who ends up betraying him, he kills that friend, got disrespected the crap out of by the people he and his friends SAVED MULTIPLE TIMES, most of his friends DIE from the people they SAVED!!! So, yeah he has every right to be pissed. He’s getting too old and tired for earth’s crap
In defence of bayverse hes been fighting for millions of years was betrayed by the one he calls brother, was facing even more brutal and psychotic decepticons, literally died with the last things he heard being "youre so weak" and seeing a scared sam with megatrons footsteps behind him, had his mentor and the one he looked up to betray and kill one of his best friends, and the ones hes been protecting for years turn on him and kill his greatest friends realistically hed be a bit angry and more brutal
So was TFP Optimus but he still keeps his morals
@@Darth-vade123 that's unrealistic
@user-od9vi4fw1e he is a prime, and part of that his having strong morales. Which is what Bay Optimus lacked and just went for the kill. Megatron even had more morales, so it's obviously not unrealistic
@@Darth-vade123 not true gang tfp prime optimus is also very ruthless when need be but the difference is that bayverse decepticons are more dangerous they dont shoot and miss they actually kill his friends in every movie plus he dies so thats a plus and sentinel killed skids mudflap and ironhide and megatron killed jazz and is also the reason wheeljack is dead did i forget to mention optimus died
@@Kingofmenaces he has strong morals which is why he kills gang if he didnt kill his friends would die and there would be no more autobots leaving decepticons alive makes zero sense if they just kill humans kill autobots and try to enslave and blow up earth everytime we see them
Optimus killed more than Megatron on the screen
Oh, come on! TFP Optimus has also killed many Decepticons (and even nearly killed Silas)
Honestly Bayverse Prime is just effective at his job lol
TFP Optimus is what Optimus Prime stands for.
Tfp prime:favorite person martin luther king gandhi
Bayverse prime:favorite person the fucking doom slayer
Lets not forget how tfp optimus was actually considering to end a defenseless megatron's life. We'll never know what he would've done, because the decepticons came to megatron's rescue
Bayverse Prime is just me wearing him
I love Optimus prime!
Same
Which one
Both
At least it's not the nerfed version from RID 2015.
All
In every instance shown, all other options are exhausted before the fight even begins.
Bonecrusher: Killed at least 10 people.
Demolisher: Killed at least 50 people.
Grindor: It was a 3v1 where the goals were kill Sam and kill Optimus. He was doing what he had to sp Sam and him wouldnt die.
The Fallen: The very reason the war started. The reason Megatron and Optimus are currently enemies. Attwmpted TWICE to blow up the sun and end all life on Earth.
Shockwave: A formidable warrior, likely racked hundreds of kills on Cybertron, collasped slyscrappers with people still inside, and refused to die while on the brink of death.
Megatron: It's Megatron.
Sentinal Prime: Betrayed the Autobots, killed Optimus Prime's best friend using a slow killing outlawed bio-weapon, forced the Autobots to leave Earth, attemtped to kill them all in one fell swoop even after the Autobots did as they were told, ordered the Decepticons to kill thousands of people, attemtped to enslave humanity, ripped off Optimus's arm, and was about to chop off Optimus's head (and thats just what we see in the film. If I do research, I could probably keep going, like how Sentinal is blatantly racist in the comic/novel.)
Lockdown: A bounty hunter that Optimus originally planned to just escape from and leave alone. Lockdown came back for blood, and Optimus only took the killing blow when Lockdown was about to kill Cade.
Infernicus: It was a 1v7, and you know they would've slowly ripped Optimus piece by piece.
Atleast Bayverse Prime doesn't hesitate to kill Megatron instead of leaving him unharmed so that they can fight again and again which is far more stupid.
Okay then, well shall just go with "all other options were exhausted in the bayverse franchise". Perfectly logical explanation for bayverse Prime. HAHA!
Every single action by Bayverse Prime was justified
My favorite quote is from Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen when Optimus says, “Give me your face!”
Peaceful music while Prime rips and shoots of the Decepticons heads.
tfp optimus prime:violence isnt an option.
bayverse optimus prime:violence is the only option.
Oh man... hes no bean in the bayverse movie..but HE THICC
I think what made Bayverse Optimus brutal is not just his brutal killing, but also the line he utter when he beat and killed them.
"GIVE ME YOUR FACE"
"A good decepticon is a dead decepticon"
- Optimus Prime (bayverse)
Bayverse transformers was a real war, and look how psycho Optimus was in bayverse to his enemy, he temporary say "I kill you" with rage voice.
A lot of people forget TFP Optimus became as unforgiving and ruthless as Bayverse Optimus after the events of One Shall Fall. He truly saw Megatron’s true sadistic and depravity after nearly killing Raf and taking pleasure in doing so. That moment when he realized there will never be peace between Autobots and Decepticons and the only way to truly end the war is if Megatron dies. He enters the ship telling the other Decepticons if they don’t step aside, he’ll kill them too before going on a rampage aboard the Nemesis. Then in a later episode when he has Megatron cornered, who taunts him about his moral code asking if he’ll capture him or end it now. Optimus then aims his gun ready to execute him at point blank range. Megatron even notes Optimus wasn’t himself since their last encounter.
Optimus Prime is dead, and the decepticons are dealing with somebody else now.
NEMESIS PRIME
At least TFP's version doesn't seem like a maniac who kills for the pleasure of killing and in the most brutal way possible. He goes decisive against Megatron because in almost all cases it is a lost cause.
In defense, Bayverse deserticons are more violent and insane than Prime deserticons.
Optimus in Bayverse are more blood thirsty
Makes him less of a pitiful boy scout like geewun prime. Bayverse prime is more war dilapidated and I think the blood is warranted.
@@dropkick2224 and....l can already see haters disrespecting your opinion coming soon
@@dropkick2224 That "pitiful boy scout" is what defined Optimus as a character and what makes him an iconic hero. He had a lot of depth in the same way Superman and Captain America have. Also, Optimus being war dilapidated is something explored way more in other incarnations of the character, and even in those universes, they treated Optimus as a character who was still like his G1 incarnation but gave him a lot more growth and depth than the movies could offer.
10/10 English.
@@Kaiju-bm4ts Ironic.
Optimus Prime couldn’t handle the pain he was in so he went all in and kill every decepticons in his path.
Bayverse Optimus is the goat he lost almost everything and the decepticons take worlds and destroy innocent life for Megatron beliefs, bayverse prime is still a wise father figure who cares about everything he just wants to protect the earth and make sure the decepticon threat is gone.
And destroys his home himself, lolol he is human's dog
Imagine Tfp Optimus prime meets Bayverse Optimus Prime
Tfp optimus: hey other me could you stop violence for crying out loud
Bayverse optimus: no
@@godzillagurus576 LOL XD
I think ther interaction would be interesting because there so similar but because of the cards that was dealt to them lead them down different but similar paths
I do you one better: make a Transformers Multiverse, because we got many versions of Transformers just like we got many versions of Marvel heroes...
I remember I have heard rumors before I was born that people cheered in the cinemas when he killed bonecrusher.
The movies Optimus is a different character. In the Bayverse instead of being an amnesiac archivist he is essencially a prince to the Cybertronian monarchy of Primes and in a power struggle with Megatron who was called his born (build?) brother in some extended material. So a lot of his murder sprees were because he wants to be in control or doesnt trust the solutions of other characters. Also - no Unicron, just wants a solid alliance with humans so he can kill more decepticons and at some point hire humans for rebuilding Cybertron.
Imagine if yandere chan learned his moves
remember kids
if optimus is pissed you pray
Man, I love bayverse prime
Isn't it funny that Bayverse prime always went for the head 😂
I think of bayverse optimus (probably my favourite optimus besides prime and cybertron games) as a war weary veteran who has had ENOUGH.
Hey, Sentinel had it coming for what he did to Ironhide.
People love to forget how bad bayverse optimus had it compared to his cartoon incarnations
bay! prime needs some good ass therapy sessions
I pointed this out to my family years ago. I'm glad someone people noticed this. But mostly the sentinel and megatron death is what twists TFP Optimus's words. He also said that they shouldn't kill injured and weakened and no longer in condition to fight ir defenseless decepticons or something. Total opposite of what he did to sentinel.
To be fair, only the cases with Megatron and Sentinel were times where he could have avoided ripping their head off and spewing their brains out.
TFP Prime: every being has the right to lead a life, whether it be good or bad
Bayverse Prime: ILL RIP OF YOUR HEAD!!!
🤦♂️
Kid: mommy i want optimus prime
Mom: we have optimus at home
BV optimus
Even Bayverse Optimus is too violent for the kid, unless he likes that sought of stuff.
Don't Diss Bay verse Prime
Who are you talking to? I love Bayverse Prime myself, so I'm confused on who you refer to.
@@Kyle_Hanson bayverse prime is a bad ass
Tfp Optimus: has morals and is practically a dad to all the Autobots and human Allie’s
Bayverse Optimus: took lessons from Thanos
"…….
Thanos: “you should have aimed for the head.”
Bayverse Prime: “keeping that in mind for next time I see LITERALLY ANYONE”
Tfp prime: peace comes before death(later in the series after Rachet gets synthetic energon and absolutely goes savage then more episodes later prime nearly kills megatron without too much hesitation/1 - 5% of bayverse prime)
Meanwhile bayverse prime had just killed megatron, got jumped then realizes he needs faces even more than the 2 he just got then proceeds to have a head collection
Both are good.
Bayverse Optimus didn't go aggro,he learned from his mistakes. He tried to go with a more peaceful approach in the first movie. (grab the allspark and destroy it, not arousing any conflict) But after realizing this approach caused his friends and himself to die, he can't afford to reason and has to throw hands
To be fair, Bonecrusher initiated the fight on the highway after killing a bus load of people, and Optimus put him down quickly. In the forest fight, Optimus’ main priority was protecting Sam and he only had to lock in and go apeshit when Megatron and his goons made it abundantly clear they weren’t gonna leave without Sam, so his aggression there is clearly justified as well. His fight in Egypt with the Fallen is also justified considering the bastard was about to kill all of life on the planet to harvest the sun, though I do kind of think the “give me your face” line is a bit much. The extra steps in that kill was also a mental deterrent to Megatron from even trying to fight Optimus again. Bayverse Prime’s aggression makes sense, but the movies don’t really focus on that aspect of him. The writing isn’t directed much towards the mentality of Bayverse Prime which is the main issue I have. It makes sense when you read between the lines, but the writing doesn’t make it make sense at face value which really hurts the Bayverse’ already shaky and inconsistent narrative.
TFP Optimus : "Even the most unlikely are able to change" (Probably in the end where him and megatron part ways)
Bayverse optimus : "We will kill them all" (DoTM)
in defense, he's lowkey justified after the second movie given all the shit he's been through
bayformers was just so much more brutal
I feel as though far too many people judge bayverse prime far too harshly, simply being willing to kill doesn't make someone a maniac, while yes bayverse prime may be brutal at points, all his kills were also quick and decisive, he is called a psychopath for killing genocidal monsters, when in truth he has all the aspect optimus prime should have, he's the the one who is always judged even there are other beloved optimus primes who have done things that are just as bad
Optimus committing genocide to the Mii theme is way funnier than it has any right to be, lmao
TFP optimus literally walks all over bayverse prime. solely cause TFP prime is the definitive prime - violent when he needs to be, but gentle as a feather in the breeze.
"GIVE ME YOUR FACE"
TFP Optimus Prime predicted his insanity in the Bayverse with that line.
In defense of Bayverse Optimus, in all but one of these situations, all other options had been exhausted - time, and time, and time again. That one other situation was Sentinel Prime, and he had just betrayed the Autobots, enslaved humanity, and torn off Optimus' arm. Pretty sure that's justifiable despite Big Blue not having exhausted _all_ other options.
Most of the scenes were all the antagonists in the movies
the problem is not that he kills, he is in war, the problem is that he brutalizes his enemies and he enjoys it. I mean between "he is forced to kill because he is at war and they are monsters" and "tearing off the face of his enemies" there is an immense difference
and also remember he is the same guy who forced the dinobots to fight a battle against their will in the name of freedom
why is that tearing off the face of like not Satan cuz that's Unicron whatever the Fallen would be such a bad crime
@@plantainsame2049 it wasn't necessary, it was only being brutal for the sake of being brutal, it is the proof that the bayverse optimus enjoys kills his opponents and wants to do it in the most violent and painfull way possible
@@ironpredator6662 the Fallen was the king of unnecessary violence do you know how many planets would be out there with no lives on them the universe is infinite he could have took it any son but for some reason he wanted the sun in our sky
@@plantainsame2049 aaand... so?
the fact that the villain is a piece of shit do not mean that the hero must be a bastard too, eliminate him because is to evil? sure, making a move out of a fridey the 13th movie for the sake of making your opponent suffer? that's just flat out being brutal because you like the idea of being brutal
@@ironpredator6662 I like Bay versus primes brutality it's fun to watch not good for the character though I think it would have been better if he was still brutal but it was actually called out and as soon as a symptom of the war slowly driving him as insane as Megatron yeah but this is Michael Bay so let's not put any thought of it and enjoy the violence and explosion
Bayverse prime: "Peace was never an option, so anyways I started blastin,"
É o goat. Não se ganha uma guerra com flores
Alright let's get my defense case started:
1: Bonecrusher initiated the conflict, and let's not act like TFP Optimus hasn't decapitated Decepticons as well. Also what else are you supposed to do with lava energon swords??? Hit them like a bat???
2: I consider this one a mercy kill considering the wounded state the decepticon was left in, but even if we are going with that it was a execution the decepticon had killed multiple humans during the battle at Shanghai.
3: Yes the kill is brutal but Optimus was getting jumped and rather than backing away from the fight Grindor was slowly approaching Optimus with the intent to still engage him. So Optimus gave Grindor a quick death to neutralize the threat.
4: The Fallen is literally the first decepticon and was planning the extinction of the human race.
5-7: Caused the deaths of multiple innocent humans and planned to have them enslaved for who knows how long it would've taken to repair Cybertron. Even then if it did get finished humanity would be left in an extremely Vunerable position
8: Hunted down his allies, engaged him numerous times in combat, stabbed his own sword through Optimus's chest.
9: The guys were trying to jump Optimus and he gave them all a quick death to handle the situation.