Pre-Production vs. Retail Motherboard, Exploring The MSI X570 Godlike Drama
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Pre-production vs. Retail Motherboard, Exploring The MSI X570 Godlike Drama
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Just to be clear, you won't run into the post code issue using a retail board like what Jay showed. I mean it's possible to still get boot issues with incompatible memory for example, but for a correctly configured system you won't run into the issue Jay had, with a retail board.
My brother in law still get CPU error led on a x570 gaming edge (with a 3700x) when booting. Most times a restart will fix it.
don't even watch Jay who cents any more
There are many reports across the web of people running across similar issues with retail boards.
@@Paperstations Jay more cents likes Intel more, nothing wrong with that.
@@marmar7089 I use an Intel rig myself, but I just didn't like how he responds to the community and viewers
As with most 'situations' These days the Real problem is lack of communication.
Brands want their products reviewed as they know that is where the bulk of their sales likely comes from but they Need to be sending out either production models or say so when they are not. There is a tendency these days to 'dis' something without enough information but without correct information you can only work with what you have.
Sure Jay could have asked MSI if the board was a pre production model but he also had no reason to. The onus here is on MSI and the other manufacturers to correctly state what they are sending out for review, or bad situations like this will continue to occur.
MSI seems to mess up a lot with the latest AMD releases. Poor VRM quality on $200 boards, poor customer support/communication, BIOS issues, underwhelming custom Navi cards, "cost saving" on $0.02 thermal pads, ....
MSI was in the news these past weeks for being openly pro-Intel/Nvidia.. They are kinda neglecting AMD products, even though they cater to them.
On the spot
yeah they kinda appear to be Intel shell
MSI are releasing a new board: The X570 UNIFY, coming soon, no date for when. And on twitter when I mentioned that they needed to fix the BIOS and improve VRMs on the UNIFY, they liked my comment. It seems they have learnt their lesson, so look out for the UNIFY when it comes, it's a full black board.
You've hit the bullseye with this one.
I don’t think manufacturers should send out pre-production stuff... as production models could differ.
Like in games today, reviewing a game before mtx gets added.
If this doesn’t stop with hardware now, it could evolve to the point that pre-production products show a unrealistic picture of a product, if pre-release changes downgrade the quality... not saying it will, but it could happen, depending on the greed levels... money is a great motivator for shady practices...looking at game publishers
This happens so much with race quadcopters that it’s ridiculous... You’re about 95% likely to get a completely different product in the end: including different brands of components, different cameras or video transmitters, sometimes different RPM of motors, almost always different propeller types, and sometimes less than favorable power boards, sometimes even the carbon fiber is in the wrong direction in the frames so it’s incredibly weak and flimsy on the production quads. And then if they do review the new model about one month later it changes again! And these are from massive companies that sell millions of them and they don’t change their specifications or even say revision 2-3-4 etc. it’s almost always guaranteed to be a cost cutting process, very rarely does it increase the performance or capabilities.
I hope we don’t end up with that in hardware: golden samples, k1ngp1n edition instead of regular EVGA shown, extreme factory clocks, unlimited power BIOS when the consumer ruins will be gimped... it will probably happen though.
Who else couldn't help from playing spot the difference every time the two boards was in in frame at the same time?
Everybody: MSI Godlike Ryzen Build!!
Hardware Unboxed: Godlike Mess
To be fair I think the board is very good.
@@Hardwareunboxed just a joke guys, always love that you guys pointing out the problem first hand and not jumping on the bandwagon👍
I would prefer a X570 AORUS Extreme all day long. If I could afford one together with a 3950X, that's where my money would go.
Anyways I'm very happy with my 3600 and the X570 AORUS Elite.
Look god created human and human is a mess itself, I say its pretty accurate.
@@rushdrift fuck god
That's a weak god if it's god like
MSI Demi Godlike 😂
Puny god.
a god can't go to his creation. how sad and finite he is.
@@KrakenJack7 MSI's alter EGO I supposed? :D(wink2) someone's watching Bob :D
Hermes would be proud.
Now they only need to fix the SLEEP issue with their B450 boards. (sleep hasn't worked since v31 bios)
@@DJAlone yes... v34 fixed it.. So all good now
This is why I always watch HardwareUnboxed and GamerNexus, because both are Steve and Steve's are geniuses in PC.
If Steve GN is Adam
Steve HU should be Eve
LoL
and jay is an idiots with videos full of adds...
Steve I have been watching and following for a long time. As normal your content is great. I trust your reviews more then most other reviewers. I do trust yours because you have never shown bias towards either company. You tell it how it is, you take into account what other reviewers have experienced and give your opinion on the matter. You also state that it is just your opinion not fact. Even though it usually is fact. :) Keep up the great work.
Thanks mate, I appreciate that.
My issue with Jay is that he literally ran to blame AMD right away stating why "he cannot stand AMD based systems" in general. If he had done a bit of research, he should've blamed MSI for this.
AMD is shit Jay was in the right. Msi is just scummy, but amd software capability is shite too.. stick with intel and never run into issues
@@MustardGamings *cough* X99.
@@riven4121 AND outrageous heat spikes on my water-cooled 7700k. Switched to a 2700x and am extremely happy with it.
Would be interesting if you can identify where that 10K Resistor is and try to solder one onto the Pre-Production model and see if it really is the cause
Just For Verification (assuming the damage isn't permanent)
or if you haven't power cycled your board couple hundred times yet maybe solder the resistor first then power cycle it the 200 times and check if it survives
Well no since Jay admitted it was his mistake thanks to your comment btw.
Honestly I don't think he would have otherwise. He was very sure of himself before, even his exertions on AMDs recent release. Let's be honest, he was ranting and did say several untruths in his rant.
I will admit the issues with the Ryzen 1000 launch, not his 3000 rant. There have been a couple issue with 3000 but nothing like with firet gen Ryzen. It was very unprofessional IMO.
two resistors in parallel reduce resistance, so if they removed a set of resistors which could have been in parallel then it essentially means the resistance has increased on that circuit path in the retail board.
I knew you have secret twin that only wears shirts and does all the benchmarks on this channel.
Msi still doesnt give a f still on amd side, like someone from msi said some monthd ago..
source: you?
Yeah, I remember that tweet. That was very poorly received.
@@Herbert2892 Google around. They even had anti-AMD marketing campaigns in some south east asian countries.
So glad I didn't buy MSI board. They are very sloppy.
@@rulik006 It was a while ago. This happened during NVIDIA's hole exclusive partnership thing where they told ASUS, Gigabyte and MSI they couldn't sell AMD GPU's with the "gaming brand." This is why AMD cards like the ASUS Arez exist. ASUS quickly rebranded their RX580 ROG Strix into Arez Strix to not violate NVIDIA's partnership.
Twitter link here: /witeken/status/977514555126550533
I was mistaken, it was a facebook post, not a tweet.
I think one of the lessons here is that n=1 should never lead people to draw large conclusions, and even though consumers can be forgiven for being upset when their hard earned new hardware doesn't work, youtube reviewers should know better than to draw conclusions so quickly. I hope lessons were learned
Quite right: People should "Judge Slowly"
All this drama over a bios and “he’s a shill” , “they’re shills”. 🙄
I like to think I’m adult enough to watch all the videos be it Jay , GN , Hardware Unboxed , Linus etc etc etc and make up my own mind based on all those opinions of what hardware I’d like.
The biggest mistake made here in my opinion is by MSI , reviewers should have been told they were pre-production boards end of , Kudos for HU for noticing it might not be and contacting them to verify but Jay being beaten up for it is wrong.
Personally I don’t give a crap whether hardware in my PC is AMD Nvidia or Intel as long as it works as it should , AMD has had a long history of being a bit sketchy on new hardware releases and driver issues for early adopters , that’s fine they’re a smaller company with lesser resources but if they pull some market share back it’s the first part of the company that needs improvement , everytime I’ve bought AMD stuff it’s always been a few months after release.
Impressed with AMD’s new Ryzen and 5700 series , glad they’re finally challenging Intel/Nvidia again.
MSI on the other hand , I’ve not been impressed by many of their products for quite some time and their latest motherboards and graphics cards have been shown wanting by ALOT of youtube reviewers.
Yeah, agree about the "Jay being beaten up for it"-part especially.
@@AndrewTSq Given that he first doubled down on it and deleted HUB's comment pointing it out, then continued with his false claims blaming AMD for MSI's mess, I don't feel too sympathetic to him.
@@johnwolf2349 he already showed it was youtubes own algorithm that triggered hubs comment as spam.
@@johnwolf2349 Agreed. I like Jay (his material is usually entertaining) but he compounded some big mistakes here. He shouldn't have vlogged while angry (I would think that would be Content Creation 101) and then he shouldn't have engaged in the silliness in the comments (deleting comments, calling people fanboys who pointed out that he was hammering AMD instead of MSI). Hopefully he learned an important lesson here and next time will take a pause while annoyed/agitated and then use his voice and reach in a more constructive way.
I agree, also these couple replys saying jay deleted comments obviously don't know how RUclips works and haven't watched jays video lmao
Literally just finished watching JayZ video when yours popped up :D
Same here.
Same
jay is an idiot..
Also jay is a douche
Great video Steve. Thx for making it.
I've recently reviewed the Razer Huntsman Tournament Edition, the preproduction unit they sent had a horrible pinging sound when typing and irregularities in the keycaps, the final production model they later sent did not and was miles better overall. Preproduction would have gotten a 6.5/10 but the actual production model received an 8.8/10. preproduction to actual production can change things drastically.
My only problem is that in your comment on JayZ video you stated that msi was very transparent about the fact that it is a pre production board. Yet you are telling that you had to ask them in order to know? Sounds a bit sketchy.
Yer, you weren't the only one to notice this. It is slightly off putting and I kinda want an answer for it?
Steve, I don't think anyone is blaming Jay and his findings, but it is just the way he acts and reacts in these situations. It is almost like a teenage girl rants with him.
Like most things in life, problems and issues are as big as we make them. He made his as big as he wished to, and now he reaps what he sow.
I think both of you were professional about it. Jay was understandably frustrated in the heat of the moment and, as he said, was speaking from an emotional standpoint.
I do think the bigger problem here is that manufacturers haven't informed reviewers properly about the pre-production boards, and Jay's frustration with that is completely understandable.
MSI has had a lot of screw-ups lately (including with their BIOS), which isn't good.
Something similar that might be worth mentioning which I noticed is that (most of?) the Gigabyte X570 boards have a Thunderbolt header that was not used. However, at least with the Master and Xtreme, some early retail models and most (all?) of the review samples had the header in place... but as far as I'm aware, it isn't enabled in the BIOS, so it can't be used one way or the other.
You don't think if you get one of the first boards for free... that there "may" be some subtle differences before full production? That is kindof a pipe dream isn't it?
@@WXSTANG eh. I would of thought it was a retail component myself. It was in retail packaging with warranty cards and everything. I don't blame him for the confusion. MSI should of told him he was getting a pre production board in retail packaging at minimum. At least they're aware that things might not be the same later on.
@@WXSTANG Not if it looks to be in a retail box. The entire point of a review sample is that a reviewer is getting essentially the same experience that a consumer would get buying at retail. Yes, out-of-the-box there wasn't an obvious issue, but apparently BIOS and driver updates are very common in the reviewer world. If MSI told reviewers explicitly that they were getting a pre-production item, this whole mess could have been avoided. I just bought an MSI B450 Gaming Plus board from NewEgg, with the new Ryzen 3000 BIOS already installed. Not a real issue for me because I bought a 2700x, but there was no mention on NewEgg's site and it has the same barcode as the older version. If I had for some reason purchased an Athlon (of course I wouldn't on that board), I'd be SOL. They soon after offered a Max version that has this BIOS compatibility as standard, but no where on their site was it listed that they had an intermediate product upgraded between the original and new Max launch.
Its even worse that reviews are done on pre production boards. So you cant be sure that your retail is the same then.
Jay, you guys, the rest of the tech youtubers, you're all fucking awesome. I love the attention to detail combined with a supportive community mindset.
MSI is in the fault...just go see there forums!!!They dont care.
To be fair, most manufacturer's forums are full of complaints.
You've either got complaints or overclockers and MSI isn't known for it's overclocking prowess.
@@glenwaldrop8166 like boards dont boot...faulty boards...drivers suport (sound) is a nightmare..etc etc
Like I said, you get complaints or enthusiasts and MSI sucks for enthusiasts, which means it is full of complaints.
I've had and sold tons of MSI boards. They're excellent value workstation boards.
Running everything stock, I've seriously only had one MSI board issue over the years; sound quit working after a thunderstorm. May or may not be related to MSI.
They don't overclock worth a damn though because of VRM issues, which I didn't realize went much farther than the specific board I was using.
Seriously, just check the other manufacturer forums. They're all that way, either "how can I get an extra xMHz out of x" or "this thing is a POS and it never works right", rarely anything in between.
@@glenwaldrop8166 but my board is msi what i need to go to others forums?..so now the buyers are the problem...people stop be funboys for the brand and star be watch hour wallet
Are you intentionally missing the point?
People like me that have had nearly *zero* problems out of MSI boards *don't browse the forums.*
My problem with Jayz video was that he jumped the gun too quickly. He could have reached out to msi first and did a whole lot more research before pointing fingers.
It seems the more MSi increase their prices the worse their products get...
They used to release resonably priced but high quality products up until the Maxwell era of GPU's (960/970&980) but then they seem to have taken a decision to move into Asus level pricing and its been downhill all the way since.
Oddly, I think I would have noticed that big blue header under the board when installing it and thinking, "This is something I never seen before...let me google that!" LOL
Google probably wouldn't help, but yeah I noticed and asked MSI, which is why I was already aware of this issue. But I had to ask them.
I'm running the 3900X and X570 Godlike, and mine runs perfectly fine, if not better than expected.
Production boards (X470/X370 from both Asus and MSI) are fine over here and there is no stability issues.
They should put a note in the review kit if the hardware isn't final and a warning to upgrade to a production board as soon as possible.
The manufacturer can't provide updates to both the pre production and the production lineup. Just tell people about it.
Please go to Msi forum before make this comment.
Hardware Unboxed rocks. Jayztwocents rocks. You all have so much goddamned class I’m not even going to bother to “check in.” ;-)
Very informative as always. You and jay present differently abd i watch both of your vids. Keep em coming!
Did I just hear you say you will be publishing tests using 300 and 400 series boards? Yay!!! Would love to see tests of the X370 Taichi, and how different processors run with different BIOSes. Since my Ryzen 1600 runs quite well, I'm being careful about an upgrade, as 5 people are using this workhorse...
My first and really only MSI board was a mATX AM2+ version. Good board and worked for me from Christmas of 05 or 06 up to summer of 2016 when I finally upgraded to an AM3+ setup that used an ASUS ATX board. Since then I've only used ASUS products.
You guys got my respect with this one. Well done.
MSI is really screwing up hardcore for AMD products it kinda makes you wonder
How do you figure? End users are reporting more stable results from the Meg Ace than any other board.
Mine 3700x works stable 4.4GHz / 1.375v on MSI Gaming M7 AC. But also think that MSI is not on top with their bios.
That voltage is a bit much if its fixed under high current loads.
@@GoldenJaguar3D People have killed Zen 2 CPUs at an all core voltage of 1.33 on high current loads. Under stock settings 1.375 would be nothing as the CPU can ramp up and down up to 1.5v just fine. But for a static vcore 1.375 is too high.
Hats off to you for making this video Steve. Few folks at Jay's video seem to be spilling hot water left and right about the matter, and badmouthing everyone involved for whatever reason they can come up with..
Now that's class. Great coverage on the issues and explanation as well.
What worries me is ppl are reporting the same issues on retail board from MSI and Gygabyte. My b450 tomahawk would not post at all after flashing a new bios (cpu light on means it does not pass the 1st test, not necessarily that the cpu is bad), until I flashed it again for every version that I flashed. Some board don't have bios flashback and it just leaves them bricked. I think it should be investigated a lot further... maybe the flashing software fails? or the bios gets partially corrupted?
Agreed. Loads of motherboards where made Pre x570 will all of them die after 200 boots? so many reports of no posts on reddit has me worried my X470 GPC will brick soon.
Just through in my experience: tested the Aorus X570i + 3900X with lots of PCIe errors , boot issues or even BOD (with each released new bios) . It was running pretty hot as well . So I ditched it and now using the Aorus B450M. Frequencies are the same , its somewhat cooler on the Chipset and the 4x8GB Trident Z working in 3600MHz no problem. I noticed in the B450 Bios the option for 4 Gen PCIe is still enabled, so when you switch to 3rd Gen instead of AUTO or 4th Gen it also improves stability. At least for me "downgrading" to B450 was a win, board is quite cheap here and except Gen 4 PCIe no any difference to X570 regarding performance.
Thanks for the video, glad you did post it.
Were is the msi b450 tomahawk abba upgrade.
1967 kID a couple of months away... They make 570 bios first... when They Are ready They go for 470... and after that 450... every board needs its own bios so it takes time...
@@haukikannel there is actually an official beta BIOS on their FTP right now so I don't think it'll take months.
Oh! That is good news if They can push it retail a Little bit faster. Beta to release needs some testing though, but yeah it can definitely take less than two months to do it. Thanks for info! I wa sure that msi would push those new motherboards first and that it will take some time to test those too.
@@haukikannel I think it'll take a couple of weeks for it to appear on the website and then it'll still be a beta BIOS then a week or so after that it might transition into being a stable version so you weren't that far off.
Looking forward to your testing results with the ABBA bios updates on the X470 mobos before I "update" my Gigabyte Aorus Gaming 7 WiFi. keep up the good word you 2 down there, in Oz
There are still issues with the AMD chips. I#m on my second 3700x as the previous one stopped working reporting a 07/D7 Post code on the Gigabyte Aorus Master. I have seen lots of other issues online with different BIOS version. Absolute mess of a release.
I bought the MSI Godlike and have been underwhelmed so far. I built it during the cold months and it wouldn't start until I put a space heater next to it to heat the capacitors. Additionally, it's been very buggy when running, throwing WHEA logger errors which, I believe, is pointing to the system not processing drivers properly--as the system isn't overclocked. And if you have this board, I'd de-install most if not all Realtek drivers from the MSI vendor download. It even installs hidden services you can only see using the NET START command. I'd also de-install most if not all Dragon Center components.
I'm STILL waiting on a more stable BIOS release from MSI (for AMD processor stability/compatibility) in March 2021 and this board has been out for a while.
Since this debacle I've built another smaller gaming rig using the Auros 550 ITX and it runs flawlessly. I popped the 3600 testing processor into it that I also used to build the X570 Godlike. So, all issues point to MSI. I bought it because it had the best integrated RGB solution while Gigabyte seemed to have the worst.
Got no time for MSI boards,bad experiences with them in past,like my Gigabyte, using X570 AORUS MASTER & X570 I AORUS PRO WIF, both been superb
i like it when the people i watch just plain get along. If anything, your video proves that there's no bad blood at all and actually supports his video.
You taking him up on the ask for a pre-prod BIOS copy?
I wonder if the trade war is causing production/financial issues at MSI, as many of their recent releases have been of questionable quality and design. Only their Nvidia products seem unaffected and even then the RTX Gaming X cards had a questionable VRM setup.
Nvidia is still affected. They recycle the cooler designs across product lines. They even have the same real cheap thermal pads as the AMD GPUs do.
It seems strange to me that MSI would not to show where that 10k resistor is for competitive reasons, it is incredibly easy for a competitor to analyse the motherboard, laborious but easy. Just a lot of measurements, entering it in a simulator (like Multisim) and then let the software plot graphs at relevant points in the circuit and you can see exactly what happens with a minimum of effort.
Great job Steve, much respect.
All in all I’m pretty glad I ended up picking the ASUS Crosshair over the MSI Godlike. I was initially very close to getting the MSI.
Great Video mate. Thorough, helpful and unbiased. Cheers!
Thanks for providing what you found. I didn't know there was heated arguments on this subject. Jay made an honest mistake, and it's good that both of you looked into this issue. Keep up the good work. Thanks!
I mean... yeah no reviwers were told the boards were pre production, but not a single reveiwer npticed the probe point and thought to look deeper?
That’s actually not that uncommon for high-end boards. It’s the high-end ones that are made for liquid nitrogen overclocking, and you sure as hell don’t trust the voltage ID! You always use a multi meter when checking (unless you believe the 1,000,000 V on my graphics card… But I also don’t believe the 35 GHz that I have on another GPU-z validation.... just don’t trust software!), so they often have probe points.
It sucks that they didn't send Jay a retail. What I request is that with a MSI b450 Tomahawk you try updating the bios and following the progress or lack there of of b450s and other boards inability to have bios compatible with the 3000 series Ryzen CPU. You're one of the guys that informed my choices doing my first build. I'd like to see how you and Jay and Paul and Tech Deals and others get through this 2nd gen fiasco. Someone needs to do a step by step ABBA BIOS upgrade and show a)how it's done. And b) does it ever work?
At this point when I upgrade I'm not going with MSI based on the the confusion being demonstrated in their live stream. It should just be said that 300 and 400 mobos can not be compatible with the 3000 series. Just say it, MSI. I'd have greater respect if they did.
200 cycles? does this means the pre production boards are designed or expected to degrade? or the bios to get corrupted?
well i did the abba update on the b450 tomahawk max. Complete disaster. Black screens, laggy desktop, gpu driver crashes, weird multicoloured screens etc.. I went back to v30 and everything seems to work fine
That's me too except I have an X570. I updated to the abba BIOS and my computer became a soup sandwich.I went back to the older BIOS and now somewhat normal.
@@jameysummers1577 i feel you mate..
IMHO this shows that MSI has been acting cheap and sketchy with their X570 boards and the reviewer community. It's even worse because we're talking about a top of the line product!
Steve, I totally agree with your assessment of errors 1 and 2. Why didn't they tell you that the boards were pre-production units? And why didn't they replace them ASAP?
Come on! This is an 800 Euro motherboard!
On a side note: I'm so glad that I've chosen a Gigabyte X570 board for my system...
Great video as usual. Thanks for your hard work. Cheers.
Thanks for the video Steve! I saw both of the videos from Jay and I trust him to not have purposefully put out bad information. In fact I do not think that any of the reviewers that I follow put out bad information willingly (You, Jayz2Cents, LinusTechTips, Science Studio, TechYESCity, Paul's Hardware, BitwitKyle, Barnacles, Buildzoid, Gamers Nexus, and a few others). Personally, I agree that if a company sends a pre-production sample they NEED to tell the reviewer that it is such. Not every reviewer is Buildzoid and can tell right off the bat that something is amiss, like a testing header. I also agree to Jays honesty in releasing a video without consulting the companies first, they might give him a solution that an ordinary person would not get. But also, in this case, if he HAD contacted MSi, this whole thing would have been a non-issue. I guess it is just a complication to being a reviewer.
I do have to say that I have had a bad experience with a Gigabyte AB350M-Gaming 3 where it was putting way too much voltage into my processor. AMD says that spec for Vcore is 1.5V and under, well that is fine, auto was giving 1.47 to my processor. However, this board was also putting 1.25V-1.3V into my SOC (if I recall they say that 1.1V is the max for SOC) on auto settings and ended up killing the memory controller. I only noticed because I got some instability and checked it just before it died (Owned the mobo/processor for 14 months).
Being a poor college student, this is something that is unacceptable as I cannot afford to replace my processor and am now stuck using just my laptop. This makes the VM work I have to do for my IST and IPSec classes take much longer than they should. This is the reason that manufacturers need to make sure their stuff is right. Again, in this case, not MSi/AMDs fault, but these issues can really hurt individuals and companies.
Thanks for the great content guys. Keep it up! Eventually I will have a decent job and be able to support you on Patreon.
The performance of this CPU is insane. My 1920X, also a 12 core, 24 threads, gets just over 5000 points in Cinebench, 5500 if I overclock to 3900MHz.
Not sure if this is the best place to mention it, but will you guys look into bios times on b450/x470 boards? I am running an r5 3600, 16gb ddr4-3600CL16, and b450i Gaming Plus AC but I've heard the issue covers a lot more am4 systems. The system generally takes 20-30 seconds just to post on a cold boot.
I find it pretty pathetic, on the part of the viewers, that Steve has to include his past history of disproving problems from being widespread because of people accusing him of disproportionately defending a particular brand. Those who say such things, shame on you. Cut it out.
So do you now have to retest ALL the MSI boards for thermals and gaming performance Steve? 🤔
No
@@Hardwareunboxed Thank God for that. I was about to feel sorry for your "twin" again. 😉
Currently on Ryzen 7 1800x X370 gaming titanium and some older bios were able to hit 3200mhz g.skill cl14 B die on 32 gigs of ram!! Now only able to hit 3200mhz on 16gb/2 sticks..... Can over clock to 3400 stable tho. So 3rd gen I'm going with Gigabyte X570 xtreme
Hardware Unboxed shows their good standard of reporting excellence in this video.
I remember when the Pentium was released I'm sure that it too had a few issues due being a new architecture. In fact it's not unusual for new products to have teething problems. In the end it all gets fixed, Remember Windows XP when that was released what a mess that was tons of software and hardware issue but it turned out to be 1 of the best OS's ever.
but Windows is only good because there's no other choice 😂
@@Dr01nE you can always go Linux or Unix based. Windows isn't the only choice. Far from it, it's just simpler for most people to use.
@@bepbep7418 for gaming you can't. Not much is supported on linux. i do daily drive linux for work but it can never compete with gaming.
This Motherboard is no longer produced. I got this officially from msi after I asked why its so hard to get this motherboard over the past 6 months (always sold out after a couple of minutes/hours). I don't understand why they don't sell their top of the line flagship motherboard for the current AMD CPU-Generation anymore and they didn't gave a reason. I bought PC-Parts for 2k bucks and was only missing the motherboard - and now I can't finish my PC build. Is there any motherboard that is better or as good as the x570 Godlike? I want the best of the best and will work up whatever it costs.
Isn't the VcoreVID what voltage the CPU asks for and not what the CPU Vcore is running at.
MSI seems extremly incopetent when it's about motherboards in last few years, this, multiple boards with poor VRM thermal designs, M.2 heat traps etc.
@Daily Overclocker I have x370 from MSI with crappy VRM cooling, as those are solid blocks of aluminium without any fins.
I can see this kind of thing happening with a $150 X570 motherboard, but not their $700 flagship. I usually like MSI motherboards. The B450 Gaming Pro Carbon, and B450 Tomahawk systems I built for my daughters are still working perfectly. But MSI seems to have fumbled the ball with the X570's in my opinion with bad thermals, and bios problems like this. As a result I went with an ASUS X570 Tuf Gaming Plus this time for my own personal build. I'm glad I did, as this motherboard is performing quit well. As for Jay, I believe him to be as honest and upstanding as a human can be, as are Steve and Tim on this channel. You all do great work and no doubt have saved me a good deal of money pointing me towords the better products to buy. Thanks.
No 4.1ghz stock Cooler 60-70 degrees at 1.225v
Considering the recent fuckups, i propose a nice good fix. Just DON'T buy MSI stuff.
You know what's even more disappointing? I checked on their website that their non-MAX B450 motherboards is still on a beta BIOS and has no ABBA BIOS.
Well just get buildzoid to expose the location of the resistor
I asked him, he doesn't know.
I was thinking the same thing while watching the video. Glad HU tried though.
Even retail MSI not ready now, i have X570 Meg Ace, no way that i will go for MSI anymore. So many issues...:(
Can we please see a comparison of the 5700 XT Red Devil and Nitro+? Those are clearly the two best 5700XT cards so we need to see a comparison.
Well reasoned and explained.
Thank You
As much as I got down on Steve during the past TYC debacle, I have to admit that HwUb videos are ALWAYS on point when it comes to reviews and some of the most honest in the industry.
ps. I still got love for Bryan though, in terms of keeping things out of the landfills, even IF a brand new replacement can be had for not much more cash (ie. old ass Xeon vs. Ryzen3 1st gen).
I also had some bios issues with my MSI b450 board & r5 3600, I returned both and build a I7-9700k system with a gigabyte z390 aorus pro instead. Best decision ever.
I probably won't be buying any MSI products anymore. Tired of buggy hardware.
Looking sharp in that hoodie!
but what does Buildzoid thinks? i wish he'd do pcb break down of both mobos and why/how these changes help.
|oh yea, whats the name of the song for your end theme?
Thx friend nice video as always. is 270$ a good price for a Threadripper 1920X that the price in denmark atm. i got a i7 5820k will it be a good upg
How many power cycle????WTF???MSI We need to talk!!!!
It's just preproduction, the production boards will work just fine. Would be nice if they could've mentioned this to all the reviewers though, possibly including explanation of why this is the case and why this won't affect performance
Will all MSI Mother boards have this issue? did they use the good 10k resistor on X470 or is my mother board going to die after 200 boots also?
No MSI retail boards have this issue.
I liked your comment on his vid you nailed it :D after he got filtered as spam as he said xD
These honest reviews are so important today more than ever. Went to Newegg, looking at x570 boards. Wow all of the MSI boards are 4 and 5 stars and there are way more reviews than any other boards. These boards must be awesome. But wait a minute, it seems that there is some rebate being offered to those who leave feedback on Newegg. And some of that feedback is for boards that are not even x570. Yikes how disappointing is that. Reading a little deeper it seems that MSI are not the first vendor to pull a stunt like this, as it seems Asrock did it a few years ago. I am not that familiar with these board vendors today as it has been a few years since I purchased any board and am usually an Asus buyer. Anyway, if I went by reviews on the store, I would be crazy not to buy MSI. Yet, in watching videos on HUB and others, I see that in fact MSI have some of the class leading WORST boards for x570. Not much I can do about corporate practices, and shame on Newegg for letting this crap happen, but the one thing that I can do is get some honest feedback from a few sources who I trust to give me their best advice, and secondly to not buy from those vendors who try to pull the wool over my eyes. Yes I know that most vendors probably do that at one time or another, but I can only make decisions based on my experiences, as we all should.
That's a lot of dust on the diagnostic headers.
MSI Godlike: Pray that it works! (TM)
No ram works in the godlike I ordered what a shame. When corsair vengeance which I consider to be the most versatile doesnt work there's an issue. Back to the x570 crosshair 8 hero wifi zzz so disappointing.
Did you use the pre-production board in all your previous testing? I wonder if your previous testing would be any different with a retail version. You showed some variation but I wonder if there other performance differences. Damn you MSI! :)
As I said in the video, I didn't use the Godlike board at all for my testing. I used the Aorus Xtreme.
Hardware Unboxed I was referring to vrm testing, clock speed test from each mfr, anything previous to this testing when you used the godlike in a test.
Agree that it's MSI's fault. But, as Gavin said, professional would at least liaise with the vendor on the issue first.
It's hypocrisy really, we all don't like all the hate mob/ fanboy who jump into conclusion without clear facts, yet "some" would do the same, just because they can't be mature enough to realize their position in the community and instead fall into the same "fanboy" mentality, even if that means being a fanboy to their own ego.
Jay did justify why he didn't liaise, because he wanted to show the experience that we the consumers can face, not clear it up in the background and make the product look all fancy. If MSI didn't want the bad press then they should have made it clear that what they had sent was a pre-production board and then he would have known. As it was they didn't, he received a motherboard with full retail packaging and warranty card so I understand that he wouldn't have even thought it was pre-production just a retail sample.
Even after MSI contacted them, they don't seem to be able to find the right BIOS for the board he has anyway. Some great organisation on their part...
I do think Jay could have contacted MSI and had that as part of the original video though or said he will contact MSI to find out what the issue was. In his second video he did say it was born out of frustration which I think we all would have in a similar circumstance. Was he wrong to release the video, I don't know but MSI need to take their fair share of the blame because they sent out a product that was not what you and I would be buying.
@@smartroadbiker So, basically we have the same thought then. It's MSI's fault, but as a professional in this community there's some responsibility there.
Also, even after knowing all the fact He could still bash MSI for this fault, but unlike what he had done his rant would have more weight to it.
@David Whitfield Excuse me?.
"instead fall into the same "fanboy" mentality, even if that means being a fanboy to their own ego.".
I'm not calling him a fanboy, it's just his act that need some criticism. Just like when I criticize someone of a racist act, especially from lack of knowledge, doesn't mean I would call them a racist.
All those beautiful X16 slots and virtually no multi gpu gaming support =(
MSI MEG X570 Godlike vs Gigabyte X570 Aorus Master which one will be better for 3950x,5950x
Where is the unboxes boxes episode 😞😞😞😞
Gigabyte is the real MVP this gen without a doubt as far as motherboards go
Now I'm scared to buy MSI B450 Tomahawk for my Ryzen 5 3600... Should I go with another board like Gigabyte B450 Elite or Asrock B450 Steel Legend?
Sadly I have had a x570 Creation and now I have no idea if I will have this BS, but because AMD made 2 3900x CPUs for the world...one passed around to youtubers, I cant get a CPU to see if it works.