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I bought this thinking I could run a Ryzen 3950x. Was I wrong? I don't plan to do any overclocking... not really. But I'll be using the PC exclusively to render Blender scenes.
They should make him not ramble so much. He spends like 4mins explaining the same thing over and over again. Have him write up a script or something for each video that he has to follow.
Probably because he fears that boards without the second terminal could unfairly be looked down upon when in fact it is better design to put the money that WOULD go towards that plug and traces into say better Vregs or heatsinks. That is the way I interpret it anyway
Asrock has really earned my trust.with the Taichi range of boards. Realistic features for realistic overclockers, at a realistic price. I don't consider my self a fanboy.... But I'm a fanboy for my Taichi....
Would that board with the AMD 3900X CPU have enough PCI-e lanes to be able to support 3 Samsung 970 Evo Nvme.M2 x4 storage devices along with an Nvidia 2080TI video card in 16x mode at full speed please? Would I experience performance loss due to an insufficient number of PCI lanes? I think the 3900X have 24 lanes but 4 lanes of that is dedicated to the chipset so 20 spare lanes in total? I am not too sure how is that calculated. Could someone with the necessary knowledge give me a definitive answer please?
@@darkokutlesa2386 My wife is a taichi fangirl, third in a row now for her (current is X299 Taichi CLX). She also wants the X570 Taichi so she won't break the habit.
I have an X399 Taichi. The first one had a fatal failure after a few days. One other person reported the same. Asrock had no support to offer to figure out whether it's the mainboard or the CPU. They told me to RMA it to the vendor. So I had to send board and CPU back and get a replacement of both. Also, and I don't know whether that killed the board's VRM or such, I ran relatively timid XMP DDR4-3200 on it. I didn't dare to do that with the replacement in case that was a contributing factor, even though it shouldn't be. I hate those situations where every available (brand) option is basically shit in one way or another or all in the same way(s). I want to put great focus on proper support quality, but again, what if none have that?
@22:35 -- *The BuildZoid Speaks!! He says how to recognize your optimal memory circuits layout just before this, if you plan on Lots of RAM like 4x16 vs 2x8gb @**22:35*
I really, really would love that this time we get from you and or Gamers Nexus some reviews were you test how Ryzen 2000 behave in these new boards and how Ryzen 3000 perform when used in x470 ones, both compatibility, memory speeds & overclocking, the whole thing!
Look like a well-designed board with carefully considered cost-cuts in the right places, hope the vrm stays slightly cooler than the z390 version. Thanks Buildzoid and Steve. Just saw the T-top, looks like the go-to board for 4x8.
That is the marketing claim for Dr.MOS on the Asrock website :-) "Dr. MOS design features the latest SPS (Smart Power Stage) technology. It’s optimized for monitoring current and temperature of each phase, thus delivering smoother and neater power to the CPU with enhanced performance and OC capability." :-)
Dr. MOS, also known as you will need a doctor for your SOC when the firmware messes up. Possibly a drink too. RIP my X399 Fatal1ty due to unexpected overvolt. The thing says E6 also known as dead chipset. Hurray. :( So what happened to overvolt protections on SOC hmm? The Nuvoton monitor does not support this and the phase controllers are not self-monitoring units either, so you rely on built-in OVP in the chip. Which has serious limitations.
@joan smith would a 7 core work? lol. Granted, it's kind of silly complaining about a mobo preferring not higher than beefy 8c/16t cpus, which were $1000 2 yrs ago.
Great boards spec wise and I like my Taichi x470, BUT the RGB software support was ass. Few patterns and the settings hardlock for me and trying to change them crashes the poly sync program. I have to flash the on board memory each time.
ASRock mobos, Noctua fans, ASUS GPUs, and Lian Li cases are my go tos. Building with this board as I type this. It’s gorgeous and the specs are fantastic. The best board for the price when it comes to overclockers and Linux users.
If the price reflects the savings they've made, then this board looks like a really good middle of the road option. I like the VRM, it has all the buttons i'd need, if the bios isn't a complete train wreck again i could see myself getting this board of my x370-f strix doesn't cut it. Btw also interesting that this is a T-topology. Mine is too, so i'll be watching this boards career with great interest
Here the big question. How many reuploads were required for Buildzoid to get it under 30 minutes? :p Seriously though, I like Buildzoid his contributions.
Thanks for the breakdown GN and Buildzoid. I am eagerly awaiting the analysis of the boards that should be more budget friendly, like the X570 Steel Legend.
Thanks for this review, without your understanding of these components and how they work I would have no way to get the best motherboard for my money. This ASROCK looks to be ideal with its well thought out and more than adequate power stage and T-TOP memory. Creator boards are looking very expensive for the x570 series, so this so far, looks the best alternative other than I really would prefer a dual bios due to past experience of update it.
Not BZ's focus, but I'm very interested in Thunderbolt 3 support on x570/Ryzen 3000. They're listing this as "ready" for their add-in card, so I'm looking forward to actual testing of how well TB3 is supported here.
Yes, glad someone pointed it out as it seems like the only ones that get the Thunderbolt3 attention are the 2/3 that have it on the I/O. I do wish these addon cards didn’t need the extra proprietary port in order to support it or it was a bit more widespread to include the port it but can’t have everything. Just hope more manufacturers start including TB3 support as well as these addon cards having two full 40Gb Thunderbolt3 ports rather than just the one or two at 20Gb.
Hi Steve and Buildzoid! Had a question on T-Topology Gaming performance! Could we please see a comparison in a few games between a NON T-Topology (Daisy chain) board consisting 4*8GB - 3200Mhz RAM (with R7 3800X) VS a T-Topology board consisting 4*8GB (with R7 3800X)?? Wanted to know the difference in performance! Thanks!
No 4x8gb layout!! *RAM = Cheep!! == 4x16gb* Peasants run DDR3 on 4x8gb!! Ryzen 3k runners use DDR4 for *4x16gb [That is DDR4-CUBED!!]* which is configeration known to appease the Ryzen3 Gods
Rocking the X370 now. My last mobo was ASRock too. If they keep it up my next one will be too. No plans to upgrate to X570, but I'll see y'all on Zen 3, maybe Zen4.
Buildzoid might miss an important point: for Ryzen higher clocked DDR4 than 3733 MT/s is not useful because the Infinity Fabric clocks lower. So 3733 MT/s is a hard limit for Zen2, with faster RAM you will actually get higher latencies. That could explain ASRock its choice for the T-topology for this motherboard. I think it actually makes a lot of sense, as long ast the timings don't suffer.
I was on the fence with the Taichi until you said this is a good 4 dimm board. The ASRock is a plush motherboard and luxury rigs like to populate all the dimm sockets
Very nice videos but I would also like some comments on other components of the board like audio, ethernet etc. Maybe even a simple list of backside ports.
GIMP lags out because the other layer having not been used for a while has been moved to the page file. It has to be moved back to RAM before it can be used. Download more RAM. (Or failing that, close other applications that are active in the background - and therefore generating memory pressure - while using GIMP.) About the RAM topology: I'm sure there is room in the market for more than one motherboard that optimizes for memory capacity. If you don't need the creator features such as 10Gb NIC, having a more budget-oriented offering is nice. Taichi has mostly been about offering the features you need, but not adding unnecessary fluff, so having it forego super high memory speeds in order to improve high capacity compatibility fits nicely with that philosophy.
it would be nice to see a review of these boards in operation with the different chips we get reviews of CPU's/GPU's would be nice to have a Buildzoid operational review of motherboards.issues quality performance.
Yeah, I usually put my raid card down at the bottom of the board. It helps with the heat it generates. Between that, a 10gb sfp+ card, a gpu, a sound card, and dual m.2 I'm full up. I'd like to have the post code reader up top.
Regarding the SOC-VRMs we should consider also support for future 7 nm APUs, there could be some coming with a decent GPU and considerable power consumption
Even though x570 motherboards are going to cost more, the sheer number of manufactures (& models) should lead to some decent competition. Since memory prices are at an all-time low, I can see a number of people loading all four slots with 16GB dimms (with 16 cores, it's rude not to). Do you think Zen 2 and x470 will be able to handle high memory clocks? From previous experience, trying to run higher speed memory with two dimms per channel doesn't fare well. I think memory speed is going to be more important than ever with some many cores per channel (equivalent to two i7 7700K's sharing a single memory channel), and that's before taking things like extra cpu cache and PCIe 4.0 moving data around much faster. 3200mhz memory seems to be the sweet spot right now, and I doubt 3600mhz+ will have sane pricing anytime soon (this year, I hope I'm wrong), so it isn't that extreme...🤔 Would have been nice to have DDR5 thrown in, but I guess you can't have everything. I don't think I've been this excited over a cpu since the Q6600 came out.
If AsRock expects me to consider one of there boards they better send Buildzoid a sample to try out the BIOS, my current AsRock board makes overclocking a PITA as it reset some setting every time there is a crash in windows
After my last one, i wouldn't use an Asrock Taichi motherboard again, even if you paid me. On my Taichi X399 the audio would snap crackle and pop constantly and games would stutter like mad and i was running a RTX 2080Ti with a Ryzen Threadripper 2920X and 64GB RAM + Samsung M.2 SSD with a EVGA 1200w PSU. The build was suffering from a LOT of DPC latency apparently. In the end i had to return the Taichi Mobo and Threadripper 2920X and go with a EVGA X299 Dark mobo and an Intel i7 9800X CPU. Guess what, no more stuttering and no more audio snapping. And FYI i'm using all the other same components i used with the first build so i know for a fact none of those parts were malfunctioning.
There is. It was in a previous Gamers Nexus video from Computex. From what I can see the only difference between Taichi and Taichi ultimate is the LAN controllers.
The chipset fan on my Taichi is freaking out, and ive never been able to get the memory to run at 3600. Just turning on XMP causes the system to boot cycle until the bios resets... :-(
please do the X570M Pro4 next! As it's the only m-ATX board so far I'm really curious if it's any good. More specific, I personally want to know if it's suited for overclocking a watercooled 3900X/3950X.
I can't help but notice a particular lack of Beefy VRMs for the chipset chip that 'supposedly' needs a fan to keep it's cool. I Can't wait to see further testing when embargo lifts, zen2 looks fantastic otherwise. P.S. Always nice to have Buildzoid drop by to examine the widgets that make boards tick. B)
There is no need for additional Chipset VRM because it overheats of high load, not a lack of power. It requires a fan only when fully loaded with 4.0 NVME raids.
conservation of energy aside, I really doubt the PCIe signal traces will be supplying 15 wats of heat into that chip. That chip will be consuming power to produce 15 watts of heat, thus it will need a beefy VRM. And worst of all, 15watts is nothing compared to higher watt chips that get by with just a heatsink and no fan (like the 23 watt 32MB ATI7000AGP) www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-7000.c648 there just being lazy with the chipset cooler design on x570.
@@Zarcondeegrissom Of course it consumes the power if it produces heat. Now the question is how much power it needs. I remember reading something about the 15W figure only being an issue if multiple NVMe SSD's are used in RAID, and that otherwise the chip wasn't going to run particularly hot. But that is only hearsay, so don't put to much trust into that. As for needing a fan for the heatsink or not it all depends on the die size, what the upper safe temperature is and how efficiently the heatsink is at dissipating the heat. While it's no big deal to create a heatsink capable of dissipating 15W in free air, doing it in a form that fit on a motherboard is trickier. One limit is that the chipset heatsink can't interfere with any expansion cards. It also has to be able to do it's work with several hot running expansion cards sitting tight over them. And finally they have the self inflicted limit in that they do not design them for optimal efficiency. Instead they are designed to look "cool" and have a surface that is suitable for marketing wank. They often make the fan grill look fancy even though they might block more than half the airflow. Fortunately you do not need to move much air through a heatsink to dissipate 15W. One manufacturer apparently chose to connect the chipset heatsink and the VRM heatsink using a heatpipe and avoid installing a fan, but it seems they are the exception.
one other thing, just because thermal dynamics works one way over at the CPU VRM, does not imply that thermal dynamics will work a completely different way a few centimeters over a tad from there. It's still hot metal dissipating heat into warm air. And the air coming off the Graphics card heatsink will never be hotter than the GPU die, just like the air coming off the stock AMD or Intel CPU cooler will never be hotter than the CPU die. A heatsink is not a heat-pump, a heatsink is just a thermal dissipator. And in both cases, the net benefit of more airflow outweighs the slightly warmer air temperature flowing across the adjacent coolers. Otherwise, downdraft stock CPU coolers would be majorly detrimental to VRMs and them finless blocks would never work on the CPU VRMs.
I hope Buildzoid is able to test this motherboard for memory speeds vs other motherboards that have daisy chain RAM. Considering a 16 core with 4x16GB RAM for maximum overkill.
talking about high current versions of the 8 pin connector, i have this weird LGA1366 dual socket motherboard, that is powered entirely off of a single 8pin. And i've tested it, this ITX tall(single PCIE) by eATX (2 sockets with 6 dimms each)(supermicro X8dtt and x8dtt-IBQF) is powered by just the 8 pin off of the PSU, with this weird 24 pin connector that has literally 2 cables running to it Thats 260w on just the CPUs alone, the x5690s and GTX 1050 seem absolutely happy with their arrangement and i figured the PSU would blow or cables would melt, but no. i have plans to make a dual system case once i get my x470 taichi+3950 up and running, though, i've never been able to get the 40Gb/s networking to work on the IBQF board, it should be able to break out into 4x10Gb/s SFP+ DACs, i dont have anything with 40gb/s or QSFP+ ports
Can you guys imagine spending some time with buildzoid taking about motherboards and asking questions about things you dont know about? And my family is telling me to go on dates.... try asking a girl what does she thinks about a 12+2 phase VRM on the X570 taichi on your first date.... EDIT: No seriously, try it... priceless facial expression. 23:38 I can literally hear the pain in Buildzoid voice when he has to stay on topic and cant go on a tangent to start just randomly checking motherboards to see if they are Daisy chain or T topology.
You gotta love the misogyny, otherwise this 'girl' might think you a total moron, and ignorant pig! Do you racist as well as misogynist, or can't you manage two things at once?
Buildzoid needs to plan his scripts if he is doing a video for GN under 30 minutes length. Unless GN gives him unlimited length. Steve, since there are timestamps, why not give Buildzoid unlimited length? He is smoother that way.
Very probably a dumb question here... The spec sheet lists compatibility with XMP memory up to DDR4 4666+ speeds, but the list of compatible XMP speeds omits DDR4 3600, 3733, 3866, and 4000. Could there be a reason these speeds actually aren't supported? Or is this an oversight on the part of the spec writers? EDIT: I contacted ASRock via one of their web forms. Let's see what they say. RESPONSE FROM ASROCK: Basically, they say the board will be released soon and that the QVL will be on the web site.
I'd prefer to have two eight pins, if not solely for the fact that with a four pin you'll have the other four pins just dangling there with most power supply cables
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Will GN cover the Biostar motherboard?
an analysis of the x570 aorus elite would be very interesting seeing that it sports similiar vrm to the x570 taichi
Can't wait for the Asus motherboards. Bz rock's.
Hi this asrock x570 or the asus tuf gaming plus?
I bought this thinking I could run a Ryzen 3950x. Was I wrong? I don't plan to do any overclocking... not really. But I'll be using the PC exclusively to render Blender scenes.
dont stop giving buildzoid air time....yes his videos are long but hes great at what he does...its his style...
_overclocked Hair :^)_
They should make him not ramble so much. He spends like 4mins explaining the same thing over and over again. Have him write up a script or something for each video that he has to follow.
@@summoner1451 that's his style in AHOC, GN usually did the editing.
@@summoner1451 nah i like it...otherwise itd be like any other youtuber there...
Plus He Is SCOTTISH!!! Ma Boy!!!
I really like the timestamps in the video. (Again)
I like this response (Again)
Love it when BZ is surprised by something! :)
I would totally buy a Buildzoid model line motherboard with his drawings silkscreened on PCB.
yeah, show off your amazing vrm by not using a heatsink and print the calculations why it doesnt need one onto the PCB :D
I feel like the unnecessary extra CPU plugs is Buildzoid's favourite topic.
*edit* I can't spell.
@@TADP0LE9806 There's the door.
@@TADP0LE9806 What if I call it an orifice? The CPU power orifice? XD
Probably because he fears that boards without the second terminal could unfairly be looked down upon when in fact it is better design to put the money that WOULD go towards that plug and traces into say better Vregs or heatsinks. That is the way I interpret it anyway
Asrock has really earned my trust.with the Taichi range of boards. Realistic features for realistic overclockers, at a realistic price. I don't consider my self a fanboy.... But I'm a fanboy for my Taichi....
Can you please tell me which ram kits do you use and which ram kits you recommend to buy
@@darkokutlesa2386 G skill 3200-3600Mhz RGB for more pleasure (?
Would that board with the AMD 3900X CPU have enough PCI-e lanes to be able to support 3 Samsung 970 Evo Nvme.M2 x4 storage devices along with an Nvidia 2080TI video card in 16x mode at full speed please? Would I experience performance loss due to an insufficient number of PCI lanes? I think the 3900X have 24 lanes but 4 lanes of that is dedicated to the chipset so 20 spare lanes in total? I am not too sure how is that calculated. Could someone with the necessary knowledge give me a definitive answer please?
@@darkokutlesa2386 My wife is a taichi fangirl, third in a row now for her (current is X299 Taichi CLX). She also wants the X570 Taichi so she won't break the habit.
I have an X399 Taichi. The first one had a fatal failure after a few days. One other person reported the same. Asrock had no support to offer to figure out whether it's the mainboard or the CPU. They told me to RMA it to the vendor. So I had to send board and CPU back and get a replacement of both.
Also, and I don't know whether that killed the board's VRM or such, I ran relatively timid XMP DDR4-3200 on it. I didn't dare to do that with the replacement in case that was a contributing factor, even though it shouldn't be.
I hate those situations where every available (brand) option is basically shit in one way or another or all in the same way(s).
I want to put great focus on proper support quality, but again, what if none have that?
@22:35 -- *The BuildZoid Speaks!! He says how to recognize your optimal memory circuits layout just before this, if you plan on Lots of RAM like 4x16 vs 2x8gb @**22:35*
Anyone else a filthy casual like me watching buildzoid out of pure interest and fascination. Love the ramblings and the overboard of information :)
I'm a dirty casual!
another filthy casual right here! lol
I'm slowly starting to understand after watching many of the videos on his channel
@@justahologram2230 I don't understand the nitty gritty but after watching his videos I know which board to buy for the least heat produced.
Another dirty casual here, only mild overclocks!
I really, really would love that this time we get from you and or Gamers Nexus some reviews were you test how Ryzen 2000 behave in these new boards and how Ryzen 3000 perform when used in x470 ones, both compatibility, memory speeds & overclocking, the whole thing!
Look like a well-designed board with carefully considered cost-cuts in the right places, hope the vrm stays slightly cooler than the z390 version. Thanks Buildzoid and Steve.
Just saw the T-top, looks like the go-to board for 4x8.
I'm actually planning to get this board but wanted to hear what Buildzoid had to say about the VRMs. Good to hear that he had no issues with it.
That is the marketing claim for Dr.MOS on the Asrock website :-) "Dr. MOS design features the latest SPS (Smart Power Stage) technology. It’s optimized for monitoring current and temperature of each phase, thus delivering smoother and neater power to the CPU with enhanced performance and OC capability." :-)
According to BZ that would be a Doctor who uses a hammer for everything =D
@@Wahinies so you basically say Jeremy Clarkson power stages
edit: can't english
Dr. MOS, also known as you will need a doctor for your SOC when the firmware messes up. Possibly a drink too. RIP my X399 Fatal1ty due to unexpected overvolt. The thing says E6 also known as dead chipset. Hurray. :(
So what happened to overvolt protections on SOC hmm? The Nuvoton monitor does not support this and the phase controllers are not self-monitoring units either, so you rely on built-in OVP in the chip. Which has serious limitations.
My absolut favourite motherboard brand since the Z77. Love the taichi!
I bought a X370 Taichi the other day.
I dig the black and white on top of the VRM.
Edit: On top of meaning in addition to. Not literally on top of.
Jealous! I purchased a fake 8 phase X470. there'fore, I'm stuck at 8 core cpus.
@joan smith would a 7 core work? lol. Granted, it's kind of silly complaining about a mobo preferring not higher than beefy 8c/16t cpus, which were $1000 2 yrs ago.
This is probably my next. Got all the AM4 Taichi's thus far. All are solid.
Great boards spec wise and I like my Taichi x470, BUT the RGB software support was ass. Few patterns and the settings hardlock for me and trying to change them crashes the poly sync program. I have to flash the on board memory each time.
Great work as usual but can you talk a bit about the Sound Chips in your videos thanks
Super stoked about X570 t-topology boards being a thing. Gives me a lot more hope for memory OC'ing on my CH6 x)
ASRock mobos, Noctua fans, ASUS GPUs, and Lian Li cases are my go tos. Building with this board as I type this. It’s gorgeous and the specs are fantastic. The best board for the price when it comes to overclockers and Linux users.
Woot, support for my 4x8 setup with t-topology.
If the price reflects the savings they've made, then this board looks like a really good middle of the road option. I like the VRM, it has all the buttons i'd need, if the bios isn't a complete train wreck again i could see myself getting this board of my x370-f strix doesn't cut it. Btw also interesting that this is a T-topology. Mine is too, so i'll be watching this boards career with great interest
Stop threatening poor BZ at gunpoint to make the videos shorter. You can hear how stressed out he is :(
I swear he is speeding the audio up in rendering, lol.
Thank you GN and Buildzoid! Reaffirms that this is the board for me (OC on air/high density RAM). Excited for Ryzen 3k :)
I currently have an asrock z170 extreme 6 . Almost 3 years old . This taichi will be the next for me too
is this good with 4 sticks of ram? iirc the retail boards are daisy changed
I never understand anything this man says but i feel smarter 😂😂😂
Lol
You really think we understand?
I was waiting for this overview. Sounds like a decent option (if not top end). I just hope real world testing pans out for this one.
I assume the RGB increases overall performance by 23%?
no, it's just around 13.37%
And you can always download more RGB if you need more performance
@@Felix-ve9hs oh i though it was 69%
nah, just go fast stripes on Biostar
Lol more like >23% markup in retail cost!
Love these board analysis... Keep on.
I watch as much buildzoid as I can just to learn new stuff Cheers GN
fox 6 same lol
Looks like a great X570 that is not overkill and easily handles everything! Those crazy pimped models costing 400$ are a nonsense.
Thanks, the T-topology discussion was actually interesting, as I am looking for a 4x16GB board.
I am plugging in both 8 pins just to spite him
Flipping the timestamps through me for a loop.....wasn’t expecting that. NICE👍🏻
Amazing and very informative video ! I ordered the x470 so i would love to see a similar video for that !
Here the big question. How many reuploads were required for Buildzoid to get it under 30 minutes? :p
Seriously though, I like Buildzoid his contributions.
One of the best motherboard reviews I've ever seen on RUclips. Thanks.
Thanks for the breakdown GN and Buildzoid. I am eagerly awaiting the analysis of the boards that should be more budget friendly, like the X570 Steel Legend.
Thanks for this review, without your understanding of these components and how they work I would have no way to get the best motherboard for my money. This ASROCK looks to be ideal with its well thought out and more than adequate power stage and T-TOP memory. Creator boards are looking very expensive for the x570 series, so this so far, looks the best alternative other than I really would prefer a dual bios due to past experience of update it.
Ahhh Buildzoid, the guy that can't count phases properly (on his X570 Godlike vid), spells T-topology wrong and terrible at sponsor segways, love him
+Gamers Nexus... MOAR OF THESE VIDEOS PLEASE!
I love these motherboard breakdowns from Buildzoid, keep em coming!
Check out Buildzoids channel, Actually Hardcore Overclocking, loads of PCB breakdowns on there.
Nobody else is doing Asrock x570 right now. ... I wanna see the creator board! :-)
Not BZ's focus, but I'm very interested in Thunderbolt 3 support on x570/Ryzen 3000. They're listing this as "ready" for their add-in card, so I'm looking forward to actual testing of how well TB3 is supported here.
Yes, glad someone pointed it out as it seems like the only ones that get the Thunderbolt3 attention are the 2/3 that have it on the I/O. I do wish these addon cards didn’t need the extra proprietary port in order to support it or it was a bit more widespread to include the port it but can’t have everything. Just hope more manufacturers start including TB3 support as well as these addon cards having two full 40Gb Thunderbolt3 ports rather than just the one or two at 20Gb.
Hi Steve and Buildzoid!
Had a question on T-Topology Gaming performance!
Could we please see a comparison in a few games between a NON T-Topology (Daisy chain) board consisting 4*8GB - 3200Mhz RAM (with R7 3800X) VS a T-Topology board consisting 4*8GB (with R7 3800X)??
Wanted to know the difference in performance! Thanks!
It just matters in OC, as this is about powering up the memory sticks. 3200MHz is almost stock for the IMC.
Performance should be same at the same clock speed.
No 4x8gb layout!!
*RAM = Cheep!! == 4x16gb*
Peasants run DDR3 on 4x8gb!!
Ryzen 3k runners use DDR4 for *4x16gb [That is DDR4-CUBED!!]* which is configeration known to appease the Ryzen3 Gods
4 sticks = no Dual channel.
I wanted to know if 2x Vs 4x will result in any difference in AVG and min FPS.
Also the t-topology issue.
@@sheikhtashdeedahmed The board will run four sticks with dual channel - it's actually completely normal.
Rocking the X370 now. My last mobo was ASRock too. If they keep it up my next one will be too. No plans to upgrate to X570, but I'll see y'all on Zen 3, maybe Zen4.
Waiting for the Crosshair VIII Hero.
Love my buildzoid episodes!!! More buildzoid pls!!!
Hmm... So we should wait for actual testing to be done on this. I really hope they didn't take too much risk with T-top.
Buildzoid might miss an important point: for Ryzen higher clocked DDR4 than 3733 MT/s is not useful because the Infinity Fabric clocks lower. So 3733 MT/s is a hard limit for Zen2, with faster RAM you will actually get higher latencies. That could explain ASRock its choice for the T-topology for this motherboard. I think it actually makes a lot of sense, as long ast the timings don't suffer.
I was on the fence with the Taichi until you said this is a good 4 dimm board. The ASRock is a plush motherboard and luxury rigs like to populate all the dimm sockets
Very nice videos but I would also like some comments on other components of the board like audio, ethernet etc. Maybe even a simple list of backside ports.
Thanks for the Video, it was a pleasure to watch and esspecially to listen!
I watch gamers nexus only for buildzoid.
GIMP lags out because the other layer having not been used for a while has been moved to the page file. It has to be moved back to RAM before it can be used. Download more RAM. (Or failing that, close other applications that are active in the background - and therefore generating memory pressure - while using GIMP.)
About the RAM topology: I'm sure there is room in the market for more than one motherboard that optimizes for memory capacity. If you don't need the creator features such as 10Gb NIC, having a more budget-oriented offering is nice. Taichi has mostly been about offering the features you need, but not adding unnecessary fluff, so having it forego super high memory speeds in order to improve high capacity compatibility fits nicely with that philosophy.
I'm so glad I watched till the end as I will have 4x8 RAM and everyone was telling me that due to daisy chain it won't make a difference....
"If you wanna support Gamers Nexus uh...uhh...whatever." - Buildzoid
it would be nice to see a review of these boards in operation with the different chips we get reviews of CPU's/GPU's would be nice to have a Buildzoid operational review of motherboards.issues quality performance.
Dude, great video thanks for the detail.
Love Buildzoid analysis.
This videos are awesome, thanks so mucho, and please make more like this ones with more motherboard.
Editor throwing some shade lol I can feel the *eyeroll* with that "(again)" in the time stamp
Yeah, I usually put my raid card down at the bottom of the board. It helps with the heat it generates. Between that, a 10gb sfp+ card, a gpu, a sound card, and dual m.2 I'm full up. I'd like to have the post code reader up top.
Regarding the SOC-VRMs we should consider also support for future 7 nm APUs, there could be some coming with a decent GPU and considerable power consumption
the iGPU power is limited by mem bandwidth
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking But you could stack some (HB)Memory on the I/O die for high end APUs
Even though x570 motherboards are going to cost more, the sheer number of manufactures (& models) should lead to some decent competition.
Since memory prices are at an all-time low, I can see a number of people loading all four slots with 16GB dimms (with 16 cores, it's rude not to). Do you think Zen 2 and x470 will be able to handle high memory clocks?
From previous experience, trying to run higher speed memory with two dimms per channel doesn't fare well. I think memory speed is going to be more important than ever with some many cores per channel (equivalent to two i7 7700K's sharing a single memory channel), and that's before taking things like extra cpu cache and PCIe 4.0 moving data around much faster. 3200mhz memory seems to be the sweet spot right now, and I doubt 3600mhz+ will have sane pricing anytime soon (this year, I hope I'm wrong), so it isn't that extreme...🤔
Would have been nice to have DDR5 thrown in, but I guess you can't have everything. I don't think I've been this excited over a cpu since the Q6600 came out.
I wish all videos on RUclips had your realtime timestamp/topic monitoring...
If AsRock expects me to consider one of there boards they better send Buildzoid a sample to try out the BIOS, my current AsRock board makes overclocking a PITA as it reset some setting every time there is a crash in windows
I'm thinking we need a certification system (BZ-Silver certified!) :)
After my last one, i wouldn't use an Asrock Taichi motherboard again, even if you paid me. On my Taichi X399 the audio would snap crackle and pop constantly and games would stutter like mad and i was running a RTX 2080Ti with a Ryzen Threadripper 2920X and 64GB RAM + Samsung M.2 SSD with a EVGA 1200w PSU. The build was suffering from a LOT of DPC latency apparently. In the end i had to return the Taichi Mobo and Threadripper 2920X and go with a EVGA X299 Dark mobo and an Intel i7 9800X CPU. Guess what, no more stuttering and no more audio snapping. And FYI i'm using all the other same components i used with the first build so i know for a fact none of those parts were malfunctioning.
Looks a decent board. Hopefully there will be an Ultimate version too.
There is. It was in a previous Gamers Nexus video from Computex. From what I can see the only difference between Taichi and Taichi ultimate is the LAN controllers.
"Unnecessary 8-pin Discussion (Again)"
Very necessary in my casual pleb opinion
The discussion is necessary! The 8-pin x 2 is not!
I saw a vibe of ahoc when buildzoid went talking about memory topology
I hope this was worth the wait
Ya, I hope reviewers cover the Thunderbolt ports on their boards. If they are any good or if it is even worth it.
Looking forward to ITX and Micro ATX.
Great Vid...learned a lot...
They can just out the post code on extension. a length of cable will be fine you can place ut where ever you want
The chipset fan on my Taichi is freaking out, and ive never been able to get the memory to run at 3600. Just turning on XMP causes the system to boot cycle until the bios resets... :-(
I love this guy
You run it in that mode to have double the output on one phase. You then have... for example... a 120amp single phase.
well done! good job
The T-topology actually perked me up a bit. I tend towards needing more memory. But we shall see.
please do the X570M Pro4 next! As it's the only m-ATX board so far I'm really curious if it's any good. More specific, I personally want to know if it's suited for overclocking a watercooled 3900X/3950X.
The non-liquid nitrogen cooling support wasn´t a real concern until I saw this.
I can't help but notice a particular lack of Beefy VRMs for the chipset chip that 'supposedly' needs a fan to keep it's cool. I Can't wait to see further testing when embargo lifts, zen2 looks fantastic otherwise.
P.S. Always nice to have Buildzoid drop by to examine the widgets that make boards tick. B)
There is no need for additional Chipset VRM because it overheats of high load, not a lack of power. It requires a fan only when fully loaded with 4.0 NVME raids.
conservation of energy aside, I really doubt the PCIe signal traces will be supplying 15 wats of heat into that chip. That chip will be consuming power to produce 15 watts of heat, thus it will need a beefy VRM. And worst of all, 15watts is nothing compared to higher watt chips that get by with just a heatsink and no fan (like the 23 watt 32MB ATI7000AGP)
www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-7000.c648
there just being lazy with the chipset cooler design on x570.
@@Zarcondeegrissom Of course it consumes the power if it produces heat. Now the question is how much power it needs. I remember reading something about the 15W figure only being an issue if multiple NVMe SSD's are used in RAID, and that otherwise the chip wasn't going to run particularly hot. But that is only hearsay, so don't put to much trust into that.
As for needing a fan for the heatsink or not it all depends on the die size, what the upper safe temperature is and how efficiently the heatsink is at dissipating the heat. While it's no big deal to create a heatsink capable of dissipating 15W in free air, doing it in a form that fit on a motherboard is trickier. One limit is that the chipset heatsink can't interfere with any expansion cards. It also has to be able to do it's work with several hot running expansion cards sitting tight over them. And finally they have the self inflicted limit in that they do not design them for optimal efficiency. Instead they are designed to look "cool" and have a surface that is suitable for marketing wank. They often make the fan grill look fancy even though they might block more than half the airflow. Fortunately you do not need to move much air through a heatsink to dissipate 15W.
One manufacturer apparently chose to connect the chipset heatsink and the VRM heatsink using a heatpipe and avoid installing a fan, but it seems they are the exception.
one other thing, just because thermal dynamics works one way over at the CPU VRM, does not imply that thermal dynamics will work a completely different way a few centimeters over a tad from there. It's still hot metal dissipating heat into warm air. And the air coming off the Graphics card heatsink will never be hotter than the GPU die, just like the air coming off the stock AMD or Intel CPU cooler will never be hotter than the CPU die. A heatsink is not a heat-pump, a heatsink is just a thermal dissipator. And in both cases, the net benefit of more airflow outweighs the slightly warmer air temperature flowing across the adjacent coolers. Otherwise, downdraft stock CPU coolers would be majorly detrimental to VRMs and them finless blocks would never work on the CPU VRMs.
omg great video!!
I feel like I need a smoke. I have been schooled
whut ok
aaaaah Doctor Mos we meet again.
That feel when you don't have to plug in the extra 4pin on your 5950x
Position of the USB port that you cant use when GPU is fitted has been changed on the board I just bought. March 21
Noice! all that's left to wait is the x570 Crosshair VIII hero. :)
I thought GN didn't get pictures of that from Asus or Computex so they have to source pictures?
@@chowbabyloving yeah, they didn't. I'm waiting for them to buy a board of their own or asus sends a review unit.
Sounds like a good topic for a vid, T-Top vs daisy chaining, which is better for what?
Here you go :) ruclips.net/video/3vQwGGbW1AE/видео.html
I hope Buildzoid is able to test this motherboard for memory speeds vs other motherboards that have daisy chain RAM. Considering a 16 core with 4x16GB RAM for maximum overkill.
talking about high current versions of the 8 pin connector, i have this weird LGA1366 dual socket motherboard, that is powered entirely off of a single 8pin. And i've tested it, this ITX tall(single PCIE) by eATX (2 sockets with 6 dimms each)(supermicro X8dtt and x8dtt-IBQF) is powered by just the 8 pin off of the PSU, with this weird 24 pin connector that has literally 2 cables running to it Thats 260w on just the CPUs alone, the x5690s and GTX 1050 seem absolutely happy with their arrangement and i figured the PSU would blow or cables would melt, but no. i have plans to make a dual system case once i get my x470 taichi+3950 up and running, though, i've never been able to get the 40Gb/s networking to work on the IBQF board, it should be able to break out into 4x10Gb/s SFP+ DACs, i dont have anything with 40gb/s or QSFP+ ports
Can you guys imagine spending some time with buildzoid taking about motherboards and asking questions about things you dont know about?
And my family is telling me to go on dates.... try asking a girl what does she thinks about a 12+2 phase VRM on the X570 taichi on your first date....
EDIT: No seriously, try it... priceless facial expression.
23:38 I can literally hear the pain in Buildzoid voice when he has to stay on topic and cant go on a tangent to start just randomly checking motherboards to see if they are Daisy chain or T topology.
Yea, what if it turned out she preferred the 14 + 2 of the Gigabyte X570 Extreme?
@@blahorgaslisk7763 (talking very slowly): EXACTLY.
You gotta love the misogyny, otherwise this 'girl' might think you a total moron, and ignorant pig! Do you racist as well as misogynist, or can't you manage two things at once?
@@downwiththatsortofthing624
Xer SJWs as well as feminists, the multitasking ability is staggering, it must all that fluidity.
So I have enough memory to have Chrome and Minecraft running at the same time
Buildzoid needs to plan his scripts if he is doing a video for GN under 30 minutes length. Unless GN gives him unlimited length.
Steve, since there are timestamps, why not give Buildzoid unlimited length? He is smoother that way.
Very probably a dumb question here... The spec sheet lists compatibility with XMP memory up to DDR4 4666+ speeds, but the list of compatible XMP speeds omits DDR4 3600, 3733, 3866, and 4000. Could there be a reason these speeds actually aren't supported? Or is this an oversight on the part of the spec writers?
EDIT: I contacted ASRock via one of their web forms. Let's see what they say. RESPONSE FROM ASROCK: Basically, they say the board will be released soon and that the QVL will be on the web site.
T-top is better for over clocking because paralel circuits are more conductive
I was thinking like *dang* BZ is bumpin his WPM up.... then I realized he was running at 1.25x
It doesnt have thunderbolt compatibility like everyone is saying...I dont even see this board on Amazon anymore either...
13 amp X 4 pin pairs X 12 volts = 624 watts using a PSU which has the high current power connector
I'd prefer to have two eight pins, if not solely for the fact that with a four pin you'll have the other four pins just dangling there with most power supply cables
Maybe the high end cards are gearing up for the high high end of the possible future. Who knows.
Any chance of a video on the X570 Aqua?