The Most Unusual Thing in Zelda No One is Talking About...[recut]

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  • Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024

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  • @MoxieWatts
    @MoxieWatts  Год назад +48

    Thank you for watching! Yes this is a reupload of a previous version of my Bargainer Theory, made for a larger audience!
    If you could please comment for the algorithm, that would be lovely! This one is such a good one I wanted to make sure as many people could see it as possible.
    Also~I need to pay my mortgage homies Real Talk.

    • @Starcat5
      @Starcat5 Год назад +2

      "Meow" 😼

    • @Wendy_O._Koopa
      @Wendy_O._Koopa Год назад +2

      Oh good, I thought I was having a stroke...

    • @mholic486
      @mholic486 Год назад

      This actually make even more sense when you consider that stones weren't originally 'blank'. Three Bargainer statues near springs are already elementaly inclined by location, then we have one below Temple of Time related to this aspect, one uncovered and kept by Sheikah who are likely to produce new Sage of Spirit and The biggest and most important one implying being light element based.

  • @daggerthedragon1582
    @daggerthedragon1582 Год назад +41

    Haven't I seen this one before?

    • @MoxieWatts
      @MoxieWatts  Год назад +35

      ...yes. A shorter version was recommended to reach a wider audience.

    • @carriejohnson4922
      @carriejohnson4922 Год назад +1

      I was thinking the same thing! 😅

  • @daffyhat
    @daffyhat Год назад +15

    Y'know, I think the Bargainer might be Zelda's first psychopomp, or in more modern terms, grim reaper. The one who ferrys souls to the afterlife.

    • @MoxieWatts
      @MoxieWatts  Год назад +1

      Yeah I think Nintendo Black Crisis was the one to suggest this idea, right?

    • @VictorJulioHurtado
      @VictorJulioHurtado Год назад +2

      ​@@MoxieWattsFood for thought: IF the bargainer is meant to be the grim reaper, and it lost its powers long ago and needs someone to bring poes to them, who was doing that job before Link? Could there be a connection between Poe collectors and bargainer statues?
      One final question to ponder. If Hylia became a mortal and always reincarnates as Zelda, what entities are speaking through the goddess statues in BotW and ToTk? Certainly not Hylia.

  • @SAI-Max_D
    @SAI-Max_D Год назад +6

    And here I thought that the Secret Stones might have been what became of Hylia's divine form after she reincarnated into a mortal being...
    On a different note-regarding the series timeline and potential retcons-a part of me wonders if the Zelda team is trying to depict the games themselves as being adaptations of various myths and legends suurounding Hyrule, etc., with creative liberties taken to better suit modern audiences
    (kind of like how William Goldman framed _The Princess Bride_ as being an abridged version of the fictional S. Morgentstern's book bearing the same name, give-or-take commentary on the nature of adaptations and such)

    • @MoxieWatts
      @MoxieWatts  Год назад +1

      Yeah im with you on your idea about timelines. It becomes more palpable for new generations.

  • @Hyacynthesis
    @Hyacynthesis Год назад +8

    Cant wait to actually see more about this guy and learn all youve researched. Seen the long one so im commenting for the algorithm and dipping ✌️

    • @MoxieWatts
      @MoxieWatts  Год назад +1

      Yes thank you!! I do have a lot more research on him it might take a few more weeks.

  • @JulesEG97
    @JulesEG97 Год назад +24

    I absolutely love everything to do with the bargainer and I'm so happy you've focused so much on them lately.

    • @MoxieWatts
      @MoxieWatts  Год назад +7

      I will have so much more on him, I'm just not done writing it yet :)

    • @JulesEG97
      @JulesEG97 Год назад +2

      I'm excited for that... I'm sure the bargainer is flattered as well with all this attention you're giving him, I didn't think his head could get much bigger.. @@MoxieWatts

  • @StooDogg
    @StooDogg Год назад +5

    Yaaaassss :) Watching this when I get home tonight!!!!!!!!!

  • @nworder4life
    @nworder4life Год назад +2

    I don't think Hylia has anything to do with the secret stones but the bargainer being a neutral God is interesting. I'm not sure I like the idea of a singular God in the world of Zelda, the 3 golden goddesses should be the main gods of creation. I think the series has shown beyond a shadow of a doubt that Hylia protects the humans and was the appointed the guardian of the Triforce by the creators and if there's anything or any gods she opposes, then they are surely evil. So I'm going with the idea that the bargainer statue is a god of the underworld who's very strong and had to be severely weakened and my theory is... the more poes that cross over, the stronger it gets. In fact I could see this god become a future enemy in the series.
    "Good...Evil...that is the view of narrow minded beings" Sounds like something an evil god would say. Without morals to guide us, there is nothing but destructive chaos.

  • @Asaurusfox
    @Asaurusfox Год назад +2

    I think everything is related to the relationship between order and chaos. Good and evil, time, and creation are aspects of order. Chaos is infinite possibilities, everything all at once (instead of a timeline) in a sort of singularity. Chaos was before the beginning and in balance. The goddesses usurped chaos, but there still had to be balance. I think magic is part of that balance. I think the key to how magic functions is by using certain shapes, patterns, and symmetry, like a recipe, to draw out a particular effect from the infinite possibility of chaos. The shape and patterns of a timeshift stone draw out particular point in time. The schematics are the order that picks the possibility within zonaite. We see intricate designs on magic items and other repeating patterns wherever there is a connection to magic or the power of gods. The closer to the original chaos or the more divine something is, the more possibilities can be accessed. The triforce, for example, has so much influence over the infinite possibilities of the original chaos. The pieces have an effect individually because of the power of the goddess, but to tap into the infinite possibility of chaos it takes all three together to give chaos form, to give shape to the fourth piece.
    There are other things, like the way order influences the chaotic depths by reflecting the order above, or the way the plant life ,which is order, in a way all have a chaotic effect when used. I think demise was an agent of chaos, angry because the goddesses usurped the original chaos. I think the bargainers are the top level of the hierarchy, not an agent of chaos, but the god of chaos (or possibility) given form due to the balance that has to exist. (The statues aren't the actual god anymore than the hylia statues)
    I could go on and on but... anyway,
    Thank you Moxie for the great videos

  • @thomasaustin9109
    @thomasaustin9109 Год назад +2

    Has anyone noticed the eyes to the Bargainer resemblance the scales of justice? ⚖️

  • @willian1917
    @willian1917 Год назад +2

    I always thought that part of the "ancient great plateau " have been rised up to the sky by the sages. but I'm so confused now that you showed that the ancient great plateau has the same geography that the modern great plateau. how the temple of time is in the sky if the great plateau from the past was not rised up?

  • @adamamaya1541
    @adamamaya1541 Год назад +4

    Is this a reupload?

  • @rinanicole2174
    @rinanicole2174 Год назад +2

    I enjoyed both versions always fun. I think I focused better with this cut. 😂 because i have a short attention span.

  • @stephenwillis2751
    @stephenwillis2751 Год назад +2

    Don't mind me, just a homie commenting for the algorithm. Still think we're in a reboot tho

  • @Hayden-qj1lo
    @Hayden-qj1lo Год назад +3

    Slow day at the smoke shop today, perfect way to pass the time!

  • @CaptBurgerson
    @CaptBurgerson Год назад +1

    THESE ARE ALL JUST LEGENDS ANYWAYS RIGHT MOX RIGHT MOX

  • @thesmilyguyguy9799
    @thesmilyguyguy9799 Год назад +3

    :)

  • @nobodyimportant9443
    @nobodyimportant9443 Год назад +2

    While this is very interesting, I find it more like there are multiple, as each statue refers to the others as their "brethren", meaning they are all not one, and that there is more multiples. I mainly wonder their relation to the horned statue

    • @MoxieWatts
      @MoxieWatts  Год назад +1

      If you check out my full bargainer theory I go over this! Here is the timestamped version that will take you to that part:
      ruclips.net/video/o6a8HTlUra8/видео.html

  • @nattibull
    @nattibull Год назад +4

    Man this one is so well done! Just wanted to say that at about 11 min in which is right where your theory starts is when it goes from good to great. I love it! Yes a lot is speculation but I’d say this in whole is a pretty meaty theory. You did a good job of spittin out the bones on this one lol! At 18:50 this is where it really came together for me. Especially with the whole sheikah symbolage etc. I have always thought so many odd things here and there about the sheikah but it always ends up being so all over the place I just usually keep to myself. Either way, I just wanted to say bravo on this one and keep it up! 💚👏🏻

    • @MoxieWatts
      @MoxieWatts  Год назад +1

      Yes! Thats where it came together for me too!

  • @Zenith8896
    @Zenith8896 Год назад +4

    I never get tired of hearing you guys do voice acting. It truly is prodigious Moxie.

    • @MoxieWatts
      @MoxieWatts  Год назад +3

      Thank you! I dont like reading direct quotes myself, because I feel like it can become boring...whereas a new voice gets your attention.

  • @Banuune
    @Banuune Год назад +2

    !
    (for the algorythm xD )

  • @kelgray
    @kelgray Год назад +1

    Hi!! 👋 I just found your channel and I’ve watched the long version of this video, but I’m watching this one, too, because mortgages. And because Zelda. And I like your vids. But also mortgages.

    • @MoxieWatts
      @MoxieWatts  Год назад

      like on the real. I'm trying to make more content, it just takes a long time. This is one I also really wanted to share again because of the length of the previous one too.

  • @eebydeebyz
    @eebydeebyz Год назад +1

    At 11pm when I couldn’t sleep or find anything good on RUclips, I CAN SLEEP YAY

  • @rachetvidsaves5099
    @rachetvidsaves5099 Год назад +1

    @moxiewatts You're my 8 year old's fav youtuber! He has a little journal where he writes his Zelda Conspiracies. I saw one that was like "What if the Blood Moon is really Gannon's period?"😅😂😂

    • @MoxieWatts
      @MoxieWatts  Год назад

      THATS SO SWEET!
      I'm glad I am getting the younger generation interested in Zelda the way I love it. I would love to hear some of their theories!!

  • @JosipLopez
    @JosipLopez Год назад +3

    Great video! I was always intrigued by the bargainer. Regarding the timeline I don't think there is a retcon, just Totk past takes place long after the other games

    • @MoxieWatts
      @MoxieWatts  Год назад +2

      I definitely lean more toward this idea.

    • @JosipLopez
      @JosipLopez Год назад

      @@MoxieWatts :)

  • @dominicmoisant8393
    @dominicmoisant8393 Год назад +1

    I'm seeing double, 4 bargainers!

  • @RespawnGod
    @RespawnGod Год назад +1

    Ust a quick intresting correlation I've just thought of, when I originally met a Barginer statue I got heavy Poe collector from OoT vibes and thinking about it the head you find on the Plateau is in a similar location to the Poe collector close to the entrance of castle town in the guard room probably nothing but intresting coincidence

    • @MoxieWatts
      @MoxieWatts  Год назад +1

      Yes! this is one of the connections I made as well...the poe collector also seems to be wearing similar garb to what Link recieves from the bargainer as well!

  • @RyuuKageDesu
    @RyuuKageDesu Год назад +1

    Did you notice the similarities between the Poe Collector, in Ocarina of Time, and the Depths Armor set?

  • @centurosproductions8827
    @centurosproductions8827 Год назад +1

    Wait, how many times have you made this video? I swear I've heard that beginning segment about Lorulan Historian insisting on the quest at least twice already.

    • @MoxieWatts
      @MoxieWatts  Год назад +1

      The longer Bargainer theory, then the Zelda Lore to Sleep to, but I feel like the actual theory didnt reach that many people, and when discussing it with Dr. Wily, he said it was the length of the theory.

  • @allenyoung5243
    @allenyoung5243 Год назад +1

    I think the spirits speaking through the poe statues are Zonai who used the ability mineru did but couldn't animate the statute ...... the statue favors in look to the robot mineru used

    • @MoxieWatts
      @MoxieWatts  Год назад

      These were exactly my thoughts ~ someone in my discord server sound some cut content from TP that also matches the similar build. Its an armos.

  • @nellyjelly1158
    @nellyjelly1158 Год назад +1

    Demise came before Ganon. I've always felt it was pretty clear Demise reincarnates as Ganondorf

    • @MoxieWatts
      @MoxieWatts  Год назад +1

      yes! Kami are usually too large to contain all within one person/statue/object. Just like how Zelda is Hylia--Hylia is also the statues as well.

  • @deaddinosaurful
    @deaddinosaurful Год назад +1

    YES love your videos so much!!!

  • @somestroodledoodle
    @somestroodledoodle Год назад +2

    It's kind of interesting how when he's holding up the eyes of the bargainer they have the shape of an ocarina

  • @TraceOran
    @TraceOran Год назад +1

    This video is amazing, I love the theory. Where do the zonai play into it?

    • @MoxieWatts
      @MoxieWatts  Год назад

      I havent exactly decided. Lorulean and I went back and forth about the possibility that they obtained powers from the statues before...or that possibly it was a cult of sorcerers...but what do you think?

  • @captainleonwolf415
    @captainleonwolf415 Год назад +3

    Love this! Thank you for the calming Zelda lore!

  • @TomMooreT2S
    @TomMooreT2S Год назад +1

    You know, watching this again made me wonder…
    After the Golden Goddesses entrusted the Triforce under the care of Hylia, could this “dark god” also have existed to coexist away from the light only to rule the dark?
    The horned statue in BOTW/TOTK was claimed to be the polar opposite of Hylia, but the Bargainer appears to have a much more morality. While a sinister figure of course, but not in the context of the evil Demise and his incarnation, Ganon, unleashed upon Hyrule. It’s one of those “even the sinister has morals” forms of context. The Bargainer obviously had done such evil acts before, but its only interest is to rule the darkness where it dwells as opposed to spreading it like the Demon Kings throughout the series. This had me an idea for a future Zelda title, should Princess Zelda (in any appearance) have any involvement in Link’s next journey, she’d come across this “dark god,” it would acknowledge Zelda’s bloodline of Hylia, but despite differences, its chooses to remain in the Dark rather than posing threats to the living Light. It aids her in some shape or form, but chooses to remain secluded from the light, having no interest in the struggles of the mortal world.

  • @JohnnyBsKillz115
    @JohnnyBsKillz115 Год назад +1

    Just recently found your channel in recommended and subbed for vids like this. I devoured TOTK when it came out and the Barginer statue quest on the Great Plateau was my first time venturing into the depths (completely missed the robbie quest). It was so fun, spooky, and intriguing!! I had so many questions after the quest!

  • @arikado8697
    @arikado8697 Год назад

    Now with the games out on NSO (and me almost done with them again) I really hope the oracle games somehow have some relation to the rest of the timeline. I highly doubt it but at least the general public will be more able to experience those games

  • @xuanluu4873
    @xuanluu4873 Год назад

    Wdym by “Demise may be the wrath”? As in Demise IS the understandably pissed off Bargainer? And where would TotK’s past take place, Pre-Skyward Sword then?

  • @xuanluu4873
    @xuanluu4873 Год назад +2

    Where do ya think the Golden Goddesses could fit into these set of events? Like with the Bargainer being the Kamisama, would that have implies he’s ABOVE all 3 Golden Goddesses? If so that would be insane af but really cool

    • @MoxieWatts
      @MoxieWatts  Год назад +3

      I think this may be the one god among the three goddesses...equals.

    • @MoxieWatts
      @MoxieWatts  Год назад +2

      idk what do you think??

  • @M33f3r
    @M33f3r Год назад +1

    Dem-Eyes

  • @jiographic
    @jiographic Год назад +2

    seated!!

  • @linkeddevices
    @linkeddevices Год назад

    The series has always been meta. We killed Ganondorf and saw the King of hyrule sacrifice himself to die one of the worst deaths imaginable to sacrifice himself for the next generation at like 8 years old.

    • @MoxieWatts
      @MoxieWatts  Год назад

      Tru this is the fourth ganondorf right? so maybe this is the last incarnation we will ever see of him. The death he dies seems pretty "official" without going into too much detail.

  • @ObamaWuzHere
    @ObamaWuzHere Год назад +1

    can we b frens irl pls

    • @MoxieWatts
      @MoxieWatts  Год назад +1

      yes please. add be fr on discord homie...i needs more friends.

  • @Raliceia96
    @Raliceia96 Год назад +1

    ❤❤❤ love this, as does my daughter Navi

    • @MoxieWatts
      @MoxieWatts  Год назад +1

      OMG YOUR DAUGHTERS NAME IS NAVI??? thats so freakin cute! I'm glad I can share my love~
      I have a longer version of this theory: ruclips.net/video/o6a8HTlUra8/видео.html
      y'all dont have to watch it but if you want more I talk a lot about this

    • @Raliceia96
      @Raliceia96 Год назад

      @@MoxieWatts I have 3 daughters. Navi Nayru, Zelda Farore and Saria Din. Navi named her sisters after I introduced her to LoZ. 🩵🥰

    • @Raliceia96
      @Raliceia96 Год назад

      @@MoxieWatts also, I've watched it multiple times. I love your videos!!!

  • @GrahamLikeTheCrackers
    @GrahamLikeTheCrackers Год назад

    I really enjoyed this. I like your editing style! It reminds me of Rinkuto's stuff. Keep it up!

    • @MoxieWatts
      @MoxieWatts  Год назад

      Thanks a ton! I love his stuff

  • @TomMooreT2S
    @TomMooreT2S Год назад +1

    Another thing I want to point out is about the Interlopers…
    What if not all of them were banished to the Twilight Realm?
    What if some managed to escape capture by the Light Spirits and dwelled far into the shadows of Hyrule, learned the existence of Termina, found Majora’s Mask and became the Garo that waged war on Ikana?
    There have been so many theories and speculations about Termina’s connection to the Interlopers, but the more I think about it, the more plausible the connection becomes.
    The Interlopers were banished with the stone mask of the Fused Shadows into the Twilight Realm (or rather what was left of it; Faron, Eldin, and Lanayru guarded the remaining pieces since then until the Twilight Invasion).
    The imp in the Terminan legend was said to have “returned to the heavens” (possibly a metaphor for Hyrule), its evil manifested into a mask, wielded by a tribe for its hexing rituals (most likely the Garo), the Garo must’ve used it to wage war against Ikana, but the evil was too great to be controlled, so it unleashed a catastrophe upon Ikana beyond healing, Ikana in ruins and the Garo devastated, it was sealed away within the doors of Stone Tower to prevent its misuse, the Mask Salesman went through seemingly impossible lengths to obtain it, but the second he found it, he can already sense the dread from it, so he took it upon himself to conceal it until the Skull Kid stole it from him.
    That’s how the speculation goes, but the evidence remains sparse.
    All the more reason I feel that the Child Timeline (kinda) remains unfilled.
    Nintendo may not go this direction again. However, the retired art director of Majora’s Mask, Takaya Imamura, said he wanted to make “one more strange” Zelda title similar in the lines of Majora’s Mask, so that’s not out of the realm of possibility. But from things stand now, it’s unlikely…

    • @MoxieWatts
      @MoxieWatts  Год назад +1

      Tom as always very insightful questions....you are definitely tracking down the same path I have been thinking about

    • @TomMooreT2S
      @TomMooreT2S Год назад

      Thanks. :)

  • @wallace582RB
    @wallace582RB Год назад

    i like this version more i think

  • @jaaythemonster
    @jaaythemonster Год назад +1

    Scribble boost.

  • @micabryant4513
    @micabryant4513 Год назад

    The male voice acting was so deeply cringe i had to turn off..
    Shame i enjoy the content generally

    • @MoxieWatts
      @MoxieWatts  Год назад +1

      why's that?

    • @micabryant4513
      @micabryant4513 Год назад

      @@MoxieWatts it just wasnt hitting the tone that it was going for, felt very amaturish. Trying to sound spooky and mysterious but missing is hard to listen to.
      Later realised i already watched this when it was part of a larger video anyway so no loss

  • @clearsparkle4385
    @clearsparkle4385 Год назад +1

    I love this Theory's intro, I can't get tired of lisening to it ❤

    • @MoxieWatts
      @MoxieWatts  Год назад +1

      I appreciate you! More to come on this subject~

  • @eli.vzq464
    @eli.vzq464 Год назад

    I know this is a video i already watched buuut i’ll watch this new cut because it’s just that entertaining!

    • @MoxieWatts
      @MoxieWatts  Год назад

      I appreciate it so much!

    • @eli.vzq464
      @eli.vzq464 Год назад

      Awesome theories, love the sense of community you get from your vids as they feature great fellow creators who might be sharing theories to voicing lines and everything else, lets get this channel to 100K by end of the year 🤙

  • @PansyGemini
    @PansyGemini Год назад

    Great theory really putting a lot of clues together

    • @MoxieWatts
      @MoxieWatts  Год назад

      Thank you! I did a lot of research to bring this one together....but i had a very intuitive "ah-hah!" moment when actually coming up with it.

  • @Alkaris
    @Alkaris Год назад

    Bargainer Statues? What a bargain... Buy 1, get 4 FREE! ...or some other various goodies that they offer in exchange for Poes.