Honestly Jinjo is just a better bboy crew and this is coming from a popper who loves musicality. MOO is great and I loved them the first time I saw them too, but if you look closely, Jinjo is just so much more solid. They also have sick routines just like MOO so that gives them the edge.
From an old bboy to the Morning of Owl .... you guys take break dancing to a different level ... most impressive to me is that you always have a story in all your moves, work great as a team, your moves rhyme with the music .. and are just simply great artists. PS. i am 60 yrs old now and danced till i was 42 😊
I love Jinjo crew, but how did they beat Morning of Owl.. I mean No way... How do judges not also add overall Vibe and crowd control.. Morning of Owl clearly won & I love Jinjo so I'm not being bias...
Jinjo's been improving too. They're letting their junior members get some battle practice in while the members you see here (wing & skim as well) have been coming up with new stuff, but they arent showing it off yet. a rematch would be so awesome though. Jinjo's hat routine and jacket routine vs MoO's 2 best routines would be interesting
Seriously? Issue, Cho, Code, and Pocket all stay on the beat. Anyone's who's played an instrument can see how well MoO can dance to any song. For Pocket especially, it's extremely difficult to move that fast while still finding beats to hit with a one-handed elbowflare AND finish it off with a clean freeze.
MOO brought out some new moves into this battle. I don't know if you guys have noticed but they're definitely putting new content into their routines. Jinjo was extremely clean, but they lacked creativity and that's where MOO dominates. The last routine MOO did brought the judges scores to a tie. Their last minute routine was creative enough to bring them up to par with Jinjo. Close battle, but I think I'll side with MOO on this one. #Pocket
Guys who are saying Our system is getting disgraced. NO, just the opposite. You see how we all are able to question and hold the exact judge responsible for his decision, good or bad? And see exactly how they judged each round? And talk about it?! Brilliant! I love it! Couldn't be done with just arm pointing and then saying they know best because of experience. We can actually question things now and see who really are the best judges for jams. And I think that's awesome.
My two favorite crews!! I can't believe I haven't seen this until now! This battle was too short....I hope they verse each other again soon, things have changed a lot since then....
honestly, maybe issue didnt hit ALL the beats, but he was definitely listening to the music. idk why lil john gave him a 1 (foundation) on both his sets -___- actually why did lil john vote morning of owl so low on foundation. morning of owl took this in my opinion.
You do realize the R16 website said Foundation is musicality? They're not entirely different at all. Foundation is moving to the beat aka music. It also includes footwork but entirely on hitting beats
Musicality does fall in the Foundation category, which is weird how all the scores were so low. Maybe Lil John wasn't fully informed that the foundation category includes musicality, patterns, and finesse.
I'd really like a interview of Lil John explaining what happened in this battle, cause most bboys had toprock, they didn't just enter into flares and that is foundation.
The RESPONSE, is what the Battle category is about! This system is designed to preserve all the essences of what a Bboy Battle is supposed to be, especially the RESPONSE.
MOO's musicality was actually pretty good, issue for example synchronized perfectly with the drums.. and they gave him a 1 for some reason im guessing they didnt want him to sync with the drums? Lol thats a personal preference not a proffessional call at all.
Might wanna read is covered under the foundation category. If you think you're a more qualified judge than Lil John please let R16 and the world know who you are.
I don't know if you're asking if Hong 10 is a part of Jinjo or if he was a part of this battle. Hong 10 is a member of Jinjo, and he isn't in this battle, I believe he's serving in the military right now.
진짜 진조가 필살기도 다양하고 개개인 스킬좋고 창의적이고 독창적인 무브들도 잘어우러져있고 기본기도 쩔고 모든면에서 탑오브탑팀이긴하지만 진짜 mom이 왜 2013년에 모든대회를 휩쓸다시피했는지 이영상보면 알 거 같네ㅋㅋ 스타일무브위주로 다양한 독창적인 무브와 각각 캐릭터가 진짜 재밌고 독특함 또한 포켓의 필살기 한방은 어떤 팀의 피날레 무브보다 강렬하고 분위기를 뒤집어버릴정도로 짜릿하게 만들어버리네 진조 진짜잘한다고 생각하다가도 포켓의 저 마무리한방에 mom손들고 싶을정도로 저때당시 mom은 진짜 멋있고 대단하고 좋았던 팀이었음
why was issues foundation so low, I mean the guy after him seemed to have the worse musicality and like barely any additional footwork, how did he get a 3 but issue get a 1???
Lil John was a very suspect judge in this battle but the guy who came out after issue had way more bboy foundation... He was not bad at all...This was just a terrible point system
Hilarious how no one really paid attention to MoO until they won R16 this year. Now we got a bunch of people talking shit to judges and the crews that go against MoO. What happened to hip-hop being about peace, love, and unity?
the reason Jinjo won is because they had much more foundation and footwork than Morning of Owl did and thats what really helped them score higher than MoO. which in foundation category I agree with, but thats just me.
yeah u r right i realized that after writing my comment lol i really thought it was musicality my bad. So they are counting musicality into the foundation grade right ?
Last MoO routine + pocket should not have scored a 1 on foundation. Foundation also includes musicality, not many powerheads can do power on such high level as Pocket and end it like that.
well from ourbboys.(add com here)/our-system which is the actual website, footwork isn't necessary for foundation which i think makes perfect sense as it embraces individual bboy style
I'm a proponent of the OUR System. Think MOO's musicality was good enough to score better than 1s for foundation but that's up to the judge I guess. Just some constructive criticism for the scoreboard. I think the scores should only be shown at the beginning of each consecutive round. It just gets confusing when I'm trying to focus on round 5 with round 4 scores up the whole time. Maybe just leave the highlighted symbols and have the scored return to zero at some point. Just some thought.
What do you think on having on scoring at all? I thought that was a good idea cuz it would still keep the categories but it would take away in giving an official score. The problem with scoring imo is that one can always top the other and it cud become the same score, so why not change it so a judge every round can say, this guy was cleaner, this guy was more original, etc.
You said it yourself bro, it IS extremely difficult to stay on beat when that's the style you stick to. The key is rockin or popping some to display that rhythm. I'm sure you know that and I'm sure Issue and Pocket both know that
That last set by MoO deserved a 5 on originality for the crazy original routines. Just imagine, MoO would have beaten Jinjo just due to that one point, it would have been 2-1.
I don't think that Foundation is accurately interpreted here. LOL I take it back apparently six step and some cc variations is equivalent to a 5. Look at Vero's set. lol
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Bro, just because the symbol looks like a double-quaver note does NOT mean you should judge it as 'Musicality', alright? Watch the video clip all over again and realise its called 'Foundation', and research on what is the meaning and role of Foundation in breakdancing. And realise Foundation does more than to observe on how they keep the beat.
+Andrew Xuen , Jinjo thought that MOO copied others move so they did that to signal the judges that MOO are not original but it was clearly MOO's moves
The military offices are in Seoul which is where most of the pro bboys work. They can compete in most Korean competitions and continue to practice regularly.
And that's how Lil John permanently ended his judging career
Yeah seriously what the fuck was up with that bullshit?
Muhammad Zubair it's true that he judged a bit poor on moo's side... but well: since he judged foundation, to a certain extent it's understandable
***** nah if u watch the finals he judges like hes sucking jinjo's dix or vice versa
GroinDestroyer
Did his career really end because of this?
Honestly Jinjo is just a better bboy crew and this is coming from a popper who loves musicality. MOO is great and I loved them the first time I saw them too, but if you look closely, Jinjo is just so much more solid. They also have sick routines just like MOO so that gives them the edge.
From an old bboy to the Morning of Owl .... you guys take break dancing to a different level ... most impressive to me is that you always have a story in all your moves, work great as a team, your moves rhyme with the music .. and are just simply great artists.
PS. i am 60 yrs old now and danced till i was 42 😊
I like how Skim confidently walks out and looks everyone in MOO in the eye. True crew leader mentality right there
This battle was held one year ago - and now, MoO has been improved soooooooo much. It's amazing.
I love Jinjo crew, but how did they beat Morning of Owl.. I mean No way... How do judges not also add overall Vibe and crowd control.. Morning of Owl clearly won & I love Jinjo so I'm not being bias...
Hey look carefully
Morning repeat the their move few times
Jinji has originality, unique style,
LIL John 무슨 뭘 하던1점 이야
There no way y’all not gonna talk about FE skills he on 🔥
My two favorites.
Jinjo and morning of owl
From me too :D
Judge Lil John.. the worst judge ever... ._.
Jinjo's been improving too. They're letting their junior members get some battle practice in while the members you see here (wing & skim as well) have been coming up with new stuff, but they arent showing it off yet. a rematch would be so awesome though. Jinjo's hat routine and jacket routine vs MoO's 2 best routines would be interesting
lil john, 1 is not the highest
Lil john must hate moo lmao
how the FUCK did they tie in dynamics? just how.
Whos here in 2019?
2020
2021
Morning of Owls routine was amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously? Issue, Cho, Code, and Pocket all stay on the beat. Anyone's who's played an instrument can see how well MoO can dance to any song. For Pocket especially, it's extremely difficult to move that fast while still finding beats to hit with a one-handed elbowflare AND finish it off with a clean freeze.
what happen with lil john ? is he blind ? or he has no eyes ?
1-1-1-1-1 all 1 point. Lmao
MOO brought out some new moves into this battle. I don't know if you guys have noticed but they're definitely putting new content into their routines. Jinjo was extremely clean, but they lacked creativity and that's where MOO dominates. The last routine MOO did brought the judges scores to a tie. Their last minute routine was creative enough to bring them up to par with Jinjo. Close battle, but I think I'll side with MOO on this one. #Pocket
What the fck. Morning of owl receive 1 for foundation each round ?!? The hell lil john ????
Morning of owl lose
jinjo lose
pocket win
+Kittipan kill I've never been afraid to go up to a person the size of an average British 11 year old in my entire life XD
fuking
Seu ci
Guys who are saying Our system is getting disgraced. NO, just the opposite. You see how we all are able to question and hold the exact judge responsible for his decision, good or bad? And see exactly how they judged each round? And talk about it?! Brilliant! I love it! Couldn't be done with just arm pointing and then saying they know best because of experience. We can actually question things now and see who really are the best judges for jams. And I think that's awesome.
Who the little guy from "morning of owl" i like that spins... Who his name?
Rams ' Bboy Pocket
My two favorite crews!! I can't believe I haven't seen this until now! This battle was too short....I hope they verse each other again soon, things have changed a lot since then....
WillMePHD Sadly, Morining of Owl only has 5 members now
Dat Furry which members left group?
caio pmortal Gon, Owl'd, Sknuf, and Pocket but Pocket came back
honestly, maybe issue didnt hit ALL the beats, but he was definitely listening to the music. idk why lil john gave him a 1 (foundation) on both his sets -___- actually why did lil john vote morning of owl so low on foundation. morning of owl took this in my opinion.
Issue Style!! DOPE ! DOPE ! DOPE !
You do realize the R16 website said Foundation is musicality? They're not entirely different at all. Foundation is moving to the beat aka music. It also includes footwork but entirely on hitting beats
WOW WOW WOW , man the best battle of all this event, really i saw the others crews battle, but this is just awesome
that last set of MoO is on point.
100%musicality.
Musicality does fall in the Foundation category, which is weird how all the scores were so low. Maybe Lil John wasn't fully informed that the foundation category includes musicality, patterns, and finesse.
all 1's on foundation for Morning Of Owl... sadness... i see so many foundation...
According to the scores, throughout the whole battle, Morning of Owl had absolutely NO foundation.
(1's = none)
4:50 - 5:20 That was creative! Anyone knows song name 5: 25 - 6: 20?
I'd really like a interview of Lil John explaining what happened in this battle, cause most bboys had toprock, they didn't just enter into flares and that is foundation.
what are the 5 factors in judging? the 1st symbol means musicality i guess, but rest?
Creativity, Dynamics, Execution and Battle, i pressume.
1st = foundation
2nd = originality
3rd = dynamics
4th = execution
5th = battle
omgOMG!!!!! The set from 7:45 was amazing. That suicide was insanely brave and bold!!! WOW!!! What a battle!
the last song is Soul Dynamite - The Sound Stylistics
Morning of owl's musicality is 5 points... Is that real?
DJ WON THE BATTLE!
great stuff from both crews and great battle thanks got the video!
The RESPONSE, is what the Battle category is about! This system is designed to preserve all the essences of what a Bboy Battle is supposed to be, especially the RESPONSE.
All the judges are so serious about their judging and Blue is having a party of a time! LOL :D
MOO's musicality was actually pretty good, issue for example synchronized perfectly with the drums.. and they gave him a 1 for some reason im guessing they didnt want him to sync with the drums? Lol thats a personal preference not a proffessional call at all.
이슈 코드 등등 스타일리쉬 무브로 분위기 뛰어놓고 포켓으로 클라이막스 분위기 정점 찍어버리기 ~ 이 루틴은 진짜 막을 팀이 없다
Do you know his name 2:09?
@@MomentsofMysticism BBOY FE
Might wanna read is covered under the foundation category. If you think you're a more qualified judge than Lil John please let R16 and the world know who you are.
I don't know if you're asking if Hong 10 is a part of Jinjo or if he was a part of this battle. Hong 10 is a member of Jinjo, and he isn't in this battle, I believe he's serving in the military right now.
Lil John must have some fucking AMAZING foundation if he thinks Morning of Owl deserved all those 1s...
what signs you mean? maybe you can refer to the beginning of this video. there were stated
진짜 진조가 필살기도 다양하고 개개인 스킬좋고 창의적이고 독창적인 무브들도 잘어우러져있고 기본기도 쩔고 모든면에서 탑오브탑팀이긴하지만 진짜 mom이 왜 2013년에 모든대회를 휩쓸다시피했는지 이영상보면 알 거 같네ㅋㅋ 스타일무브위주로 다양한 독창적인 무브와 각각 캐릭터가 진짜 재밌고 독특함 또한 포켓의 필살기 한방은 어떤 팀의 피날레 무브보다 강렬하고 분위기를 뒤집어버릴정도로 짜릿하게 만들어버리네 진조 진짜잘한다고 생각하다가도 포켓의 저 마무리한방에 mom손들고 싶을정도로 저때당시 mom은 진짜 멋있고 대단하고 좋았던 팀이었음
mom이 아니고 moo임 ㅋㅋㅋ
If you compare this r16 to the 2013 r16 moO have improved so much
im really curious on how routines/commandos are scored? will it go under the "battle" scoring section?
Oh wow that was him, my apologies! He looks different and he normally plays a huge part in Jinjo battles.
2020 feb.. im here stil watchin
why was issues foundation so low, I mean the guy after him seemed to have the worse musicality and like barely any additional footwork, how did he get a 3 but issue get a 1???
Lil John was a very suspect judge in this battle but the guy who came out after issue had way more bboy foundation... He was not bad at all...This was just a terrible point system
I admit Morning of Owl's musicality was pretty bad but that last round was at LEAST a 3 alot of other rounds deserved a 2
Hilarious how no one really paid attention to MoO until they won R16 this year. Now we got a bunch of people talking shit to judges and the crews that go against MoO.
What happened to hip-hop being about peace, love, and unity?
the reason Jinjo won is because they had much more foundation and footwork than Morning of Owl did and thats what really helped them score higher than MoO. which in foundation category I agree with, but thats just me.
OUR System must increase the maximum point to 10
because morning of owl deserver more than 5 point for originality !
In the visual dictionary of things, this defines HYPE
yeah u r right i realized that after writing my comment lol i really thought it was musicality my bad. So they are counting musicality into the foundation grade right ?
the website basically says foundation is your swag and your musicality
he didnt do any foundation,please point out what part of any set was foundation
Last MoO routine + pocket should not have scored a 1 on foundation. Foundation also includes musicality, not many powerheads can do power on such high level as Pocket and end it like that.
well from ourbboys.(add com here)/our-system which is the actual website, footwork isn't necessary for foundation which i think makes perfect sense as it embraces individual bboy style
I'm a proponent of the OUR System. Think MOO's musicality was good enough to score better than 1s for foundation but that's up to the judge I guess.
Just some constructive criticism for the scoreboard. I think the scores should only be shown at the beginning of each consecutive round. It just gets confusing when I'm trying to focus on round 5 with round 4 scores up the whole time. Maybe just leave the highlighted symbols and have the scored return to zero at some point. Just some thought.
Please ask lil john what he was looking for in Foundation. I don't understand why so many rounds from both sides got 1s
What do you think on having on scoring at all? I thought that was a good idea cuz it would still keep the categories but it would take away in giving an official score. The problem with scoring imo is that one can always top the other and it cud become the same score, so why not change it so a judge every round can say, this guy was cleaner, this guy was more original, etc.
You said it yourself bro, it IS extremely difficult to stay on beat when that's the style you stick to. The key is rockin or popping some to display that rhythm. I'm sure you know that and I'm sure Issue and Pocket both know that
whats the music name on 5:26 ??????? can any1 reply
That last set by MoO deserved a 5 on originality for the crazy original routines.
Just imagine, MoO would have beaten Jinjo just due to that one point, it would have been 2-1.
여기 나오는 베로스타일이 2021년인데도 넘 좋다. 춤도 패션도
Do you know his name 2:09?
@@MomentsofMysticism he is bboy FE
What's the name of the opening music? it's so nice..
Organ donor -dj shadow
whos is the guy who wore all black for jinjo crew?
and since when did pocket start wearing shoes haha
what this first song ?
I don't think that Foundation is accurately interpreted here. LOL
I take it back apparently six step and some cc variations is equivalent to a 5. Look at Vero's set. lol
The judging system isnt bad, but the problem of judges giving questionable calls has now become questionable points
what is song?
wait issue and hong 10 are still allowed to compete?!? i thought they were both serving military time right now
As important as debating foundation is, how did this golden comment get lost in the middle of it?
You okay, John? Because 1 in FOUNDATION at every MOO round is unfair. They were as consistent as jinjo was.
3:42 song ? I have time looking for it
Everyone has their own style or way to express themselves on the floor, so a different foundation
Morning of owl vs Jinjo is like Tyson vs Ali. You'll never see a better battle when its champs vs champs.
mallon to party itan teleia diorganosi kai oi dyo omades itane kales me poly kalo soou kai na xanadoume tetoia alla exdo ginetai polemos kai ta paidia prospathoun na ton stamatisoun respect ! elpizoume episis na doume kai ourgia trela videakia san ayto ...
Bro, just because the symbol looks like a double-quaver note does NOT mean you should judge it as 'Musicality', alright? Watch the video clip all over again and realise its called 'Foundation', and research on what is the meaning and role of Foundation in breakdancing. And realise Foundation does more than to observe on how they keep the beat.
Wow probably the best battles
Nice battle and excellent system!!!
Love the first two rounds of Jinjo, so smooth...
bboyyagina> the first song is Organ Donor from DJ Shadow (not amplifire, that's a remix)
did bboy pocket pull out the same move twice?
Kinda a random question but is bboy skim in this video?
Cameron Fife yea first bboy,
can someone PLEASE tell me what that gesture means at 7:40? The one that Jinjo is doing with the arms. I see it all the time in these bboy battles
It means that they copied that move from other people, its called biting
+Paul Leonard But the move at 7:40 is from Moo
I know, Jinjo were the ones that thought so.
+Paul Leonard So I still do not understand what this gesture, with the arms, means
+Andrew Xuen , Jinjo thought that MOO copied others move so they did that to signal the judges that MOO are not original but it was clearly MOO's moves
where is the foundation ???? whereee.is the flave whereeee lil jonh ie real junge.
i am look @ both these crews and i don't know what to say... amazing...
The first song is skrillex & diplo amplifire
The military offices are in Seoul which is where most of the pro bboys work. They can compete in most Korean competitions and continue to practice regularly.
its actually both! that area counts for both foundation and musicality! not the best idea imo, both needs separate categories!
MUCH RESPECT MORNING OF OWL PEACE!
- little sam
What do those signs mean?
i used to not like the first bboy that went up for Morning of Owl but that dude is just sick i must admit... His style is insane.
please explain how he doesn't have any foundation.