O.U.R. "GAMBLERZ VS JINJO" - 2012 R16 Korea Eliminations - Finals
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- This footage was shot by the Judges View.
R-16 Korea National Championships
Final Battle
Gamblerz Crew VS Jinjo Crew
Judges:
Foundation: Lil John
Originality: Free
Dynamics: Blue
Execution: Puzzles
Battle: Storm
For more information on the OUR System, go to www.ourbboys.com
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2:26 when Vero picked up the hat and put it on, it was over
True, Nobody else can do his sets, but think about like this. how often do you see him do the same combos? example every time you see him jackhammer whats going to follow? either airflares of flares. Originality is about bringing something new and fresh to the table not just repeating the same moves you been doing for years...
lil john, again and again
IMO this is the best performance I've seen for Jinjo. Ironic cuz Wing isn't here. Hong10 definitely allowed Jinjo to pull off more stuff. That sidechair routine was sick...
The best bboy in korea : 2000 - 2005 Gambler Crew, 2006 - 2010 Rivers Crew, 2011 - Until now is Jinjo Crew .. :)
a lot of these comments have circulated around lil jon's judging, and some of the questionable calls he made that night.
This is great. It proves the OUR system works, because it allows u to pick out one judge and see what he chose each round and allows us to examine whether his assessment was accurate. Regardless of whether lil jon made the right calls that night, the OUR system gives us the power to see who is capable of judging and who isnt.
A practitioner of this dance is called a b-boy, b-girl, or breaker. Although the term "breakdance" is frequently used to refer to the dance, "b-boying" and "breaking" are the original terms. These terms are preferred by the majority of the pioneers and most notable practitioners
Absolutely agree with you there...big respect to this comment !!!
wow is
born battle.
When The End got a 2 for originality on his set.. that's when you know the judging is god awful
it is so good to see gamblerz bak and at it after all those months
Yeah that's fine. I always have respected the old school and I love it.
I have always thought that we have to be gratefull with them, because now that the new generation we have is because they worked hard in their moment(I have been actually dancing for 7 years old).
But the question is that everything changes, time change things I'm still thinking is not a fair system at all.
Yes ofcourse it's taken into account. It's under the "Dynamics" Category.
It is part of the 7 Dynamic qualities:
Strength, Speed, Balance, Energy, Flexibility, Risk of Injury, and Complexity
Points are given out by quality, not quantity. Yes a routine could attain high points, and the following solo can waste moves or do nothing to improve the score. Same can be said vice versa with a good solo can score high, and a following routine can actually bring it down
Of course Blue did a great job. I just think that sometimes when someone maxes out a category or two, the judging system doesn't leave any room for the opposing crew to top it in the response. That could be changed if crews were given scores relative to each other. For instance, the Gamblerz routine at 6:50 earned a 5 in dynamics, but one could argue that Jinjo's response was even more dynamic. However, there is no way for the scoring system to reflect that. O.U.R. is still great. Keep it up!
Bboying isn't even about only one aspect of the dance. It's about the bigger picture and in the past, battles were judged based on factors like technique and others. Foundation and every other part of the O.U.R. system reps each aspect of the dance. Although parts of the world may disagree, the system hasn't existed that long yet. There are still parts of the system that are viewed negatively upon, but hopefully some changes can be made on how exactly each part is judged.
Execution needs to have these 4 components distinguishable executed:
1. Complete confidence
2. A rhythm (weather power, style or tricks)
3. Clean form (style and power, no scrapes or stumbles)
4. Clean moves (no crashes must be sharp)
All 4 must be executed from the beginning to the end of the ENTIRE round to score perfect
gamblerz
foundations 1 ?
which are the qualities ?
korean ninja is best
bboy vero
ho9ly shit 8:25 is like one of the best routines ive seen. that timing man...
amazing battle
i like how u said that.."we can't give point to art"..i agreed with u..it should be base on the judges's feeling..
Great way to judge loved it
this system is good as long as the bboying is goin further in difficulties and styles...so we can judge the same powermove or footwork etc but takin notes to its precision and form
What probably would be better is to set the maximum of points to 10. Reason for this is that for example many bboys can get an average/good score in dynamics (3/4) like Skim, however, The End gets a 5 with doing way more and higher level dynamics. The difference in points in only 1/2 while the difference in dynamics in their performance is greater. So in 10 points The End would have 10 points and the other 6 points, the difference of 4 points now seems more appropriate to the difference in skill
I'm amazed by The End's power as much as the next person, believe me. But let's say someone somewhere in the world managed to achieve let's say jackhammers to airflares and has never even heard of The End. He's not biting since he's never seen a single bit of The End's powerhead style. He's just doing the same combo. At the same time, he's able to do something that The End can do. So really, powermoves can only make a small impact on Originality. Like I said, there's a Dynamics section for that.
thx
I kind of agree with you, but that also goes into the Battle category, theoretically.
Some people suggested a 1-10 scale to more accurately reflect it, but I think that's a bit too high.
That was really clarifying, thanks.
great battle nonetheless!!!
King So! Nice to see him battling.
thanks !!!
Sorry for the sort of late reply, but dynamics doesn't equate to power, although power has many aspects that relate to dynamics (in the scope of this system). Most everybody has a good chance of scoring high with this system provided that they have a well developed style, which is why I believe that this system can work. It's still a hell lot more fair than "This side won just because I feel like it." The results are clear and any injustice can easily be pointed out.
i thought it will be a long wait, but i'm glad to see hong10 battle... it's as if he didn't join the army after all. glad he's here.
Gamblers were getting a lot of 1's for foundation. That felt right seeing as Sick and The End weren't doing foundation. However that bugs me as I remembered how last year during the R16 solos BBoys like Taisuke did just as little foundation and was getting 3s.
I also have a question. Are the points given out on amount or quality? Strictly speaking a routine could attain high points and the solo following the routine would just waste moves and do nothing to little to improve the points.
Are all these judges briefed or told specifics about the judging, because I'd hate if it was just assumed that they automatically qualify as a judge.
Being well-rounded means you have mastered a certain level of every part of the dance, which is a good thing. That means Jinjo, being well-rounded, is better than Gamblerz, who focuses on power(one aspect of the dance). It's the same with style. If a bboy or crew only focuses on style, they'd lose to Jinjo as well, because they only focus on a certain aspect of the dance. Being a good bboy means having a good balance of both power, style, foundation, etc.
yeah i just noticed that too, he wasn't part of them before right?
You do realize this system is still incomplete? They are still working out all the kinks and bugs such that it may include any and all styles of the dance.
After seeing OUR system in action, I'm a little bit disillusioned with its effectiveness. I think judge scores should be given after both crews throw out their rounds, because it seems that doing a few airflares before transitioning into footwork is a 5 in dynamics, but powerheads like The End deserve more dynamics points than someone who does 5 seconds of power. By comparing the two crews, judge scores could accurately reflect who did better in what category instead of everyone getting a 5.
But yea, I do understand what you are saying. There are still a few flaws with the system, but it's an improvement on the judging system earlier.
Totally agree, thats what exactly i wonder what if someone come up with a better and harder round than a "5 points" round ?
DOPE BATTLE!!!
nice battle
Respect to Gamblerz And jinjo crew
-.- Blue and Storm are the only ones which seem like they're actually judging it seriously. 2 for execution in Skim's first set, and 3 for Hong 10's first set... when they were supposed to be high fours or fives.
Competing in the r16 is like taking the driving test, everything needs to be how the judges score it.
powerheads can get dynamics, excecution and battle view and can do powermoves with musicality and confidence such as (flying buddha) and there are powermovers that are creative and original such as lil g, the end, funt....
there are too many questions about this scoring system too.
This system can also have the beauty. but there are a number of difficulties for a bboy meet the requirements of this OUR system.
I just speak my thoughts I can not have anything else. PEACE
you dont NEED to be a well rounded bboy to do well with the system, just need a well rounded crew. Where a power head may lack in foundation, a style head can do well with foundation and have a weak point in dynamics.
nothing wrong with the system, there are other competitions that judge a different way and nothing wrong with them either. Maybe it still needs more work on but i think it is fair enough.
Wtf with foundation judge？
gamblerz sempre em forma muita musicalidade
its so cool to see Jinjo have fun, win lose or draw:)
Lil John goes, "If there's one power move I put a 1"
I was wondering why Strife TV didn't put up videos, but I see that they are officially covering this event. From other vids I saw Mis Lee working the camera at this angle.
Kid David COULD get 1's but if you've seen R-16 North America, he was getting 4's and 5's in every category, including dynamics.
KOREA MELHO DO MUNDOS BBOYS ADIMIRO MUIIIIIIIIIIITO
What is the highest score you can get in each catergory?
Vero's set was dope he deserved the points and I also thought King So got what he deserved
Vero rocked!!!!
hong 10 hasnt been this clean in so long
how can the end's set only get 2 for originality? WTFFF!
I AGREE so much with that. I feel he should at least get a 2.. like only give them a one if they just do straight up power with no foot work right??
i think the old way of "3,2,1, point" would have sufficed, with big events like this, they get the best of the best to judge so that the audience and bboys watching the battle will know and trust the judges' decision.
fe is so awesome!
Who's the winner???
who winner.
ohh okayyy thanks for the info =)
I think part of the problem is that it's almost expected of The End to do them. Kinda like Minnesota Joe's airflare lotus combo.
6:03
Bboy The End's set got 2 for ORIGINALITY!!!
R U KIDDING ME? Nobody in the whole phaqin world can repeat his sets! How the phaq he gets only 2 out of 5 when he does the powermoves which he invented and nobody can repeat it?
From what heard about OUR System, it seems like what Dizzy was aiming for was to reduce subjectivity in judging. However, it feels to me that even with OUR system, there is still too much subjectivity in how points are given. Just look at all these arguments in the comments, some do hold legitimate points. I respect Dizzy for the work he's done with this new judging system but it feels like OUR has really accomplished nothing in that the judging system is still too prone to bias and controversy.
i think your confusing it with dynamics and execution because dynamics is the difficulty of the move and execution is the cleanliness of it..he clearly got a 5 for dynamics and i believe he deserved at least a 4 for execution..but originality he got a 2 because he just did powermoves and sets that is mostly common and didnt add any variation to them such as a flare to cricket or airflare to munchmill because i see bboy chungabis or vicious victor do that all the time
r16 world championship semifinals > r16 korea > r16 world championship final
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i think this system only show us more clearly how do the judges work ^^. About Fair or Unfair ... i think at the moment there is no 100% Fair Judging system. I like the old system, which works base on the Judges's feeling. The bboys have to make the judges like them to win. cuz u know, Dancing is Art , and we can't give point to the Art ^^
youve got a point there actually!
But still, The End seems to score way too low in de Originality category for what he does.. in the battle against L41, he did his insane threading power combination and only scored 3.
Uhm no. You have to give the judges move credit. They're professional enough to set aside past relationships. First of all most of the crowd cant even see the battle clear enough to judge it. Its the small detail in footwork that makes a difference. Second the judges are living legends. They've seen it all. From every underground Jam to the mainstream Red Bull BC. So they can spot originality musicality and the other important elements of bboy better than the Eboys lingering in the crowd. Peace
the judging for gamberlz seemed really unfair on some sets, like really... lil john kept giving ones where ones shouldnt have been given. jinjo did really good though on their musicality and original routines. this is a really good battle.
freakin vero, I didn't pay too much attention but he took at least 2 people's hats during the battle
Sick does some foundation, advanced foundation with his own flava and steps, that´s de best foundation for me, its not just basic footworks, neither pure abstract moves, it his foundation, but you are right, this system is not very reliable I guess.
i like the score board =)
Their judging system has nothing to do with how many aspects of bboying (toprock, footwork, etc) that a bboy touches. Having just read through how the scoring system works on the website, I think many of the comments here are left by people with misunderstandings about the system. For example, "Foundation" is not really about having a great 6 step, but showing confidence and dancing style. Straight from the website, "This is about the attitude, the music, and the way B-Boys dance to the beat."
Well when you think about it in another way, there's not really a way to call powermoves themselves original because most have to be done with specific techniques. When you look at two people do a flare side by side, they're doing it the same way and you'd really only see very small differences. I'm not saying he's not original. Combos The End pulled can be considered individual to him because he does them better than others. But at the same time, isn't that why he scored a 5 in Dynamics?
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Vero had a crazy round
I think EJ920 makes a good point about powerheads, for example bboy the end. He is nothing but power (generally) but his power is incredible, and no one in the world can do the things that he can do. However, he is still limited to a 5 in dynamics, although another "powerhead" bboy such as bboy blue could also receive a 5 for his power set. Im not saying bboy blue is bad at powermoves, but compared to the end, he is.
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So Hong 10 is from Jinjo now?
Battle was clear jinjo won :) they improved this much in 3months
no men,, once its an International/ BIG events with a great Prizes,, we need something that is can be accounted as the result so peoples can see about why side A wins or why side B lost the battle.. and guess what? all those points is based on judges feelings and or experiences and or way of judge etc,, means its more complete for this such big event..
I think he weren't in Jinjo before. But it's a great combo with Hong 10 in it by the way. :)
Don't know how Jinjo lost to MM... MM was great, but Jinjo blew my mind.. They looked sharper technically, had flashier moves, and I liked their team moves... But what do I know? I just like watching these guys do crazy shit.
Doesn't matter if its fucking incomplete if they are already applying it to important fucking battles. In this system Jinjo could wipe the floor with pretty much any on going crew as of now. They are the masters of being well rounded.
No one can be better than Eddy Gordo
But the thing is that, the points in itself are being called into question as judge's give some questionable scores. The whole idea was based on being able to be held "accountable"-the judges that is. But, how are they being held accountable, that's the question.
True true true !
I totally agree, if he had been like this at red bull, oh man he would've won.
why did bboy sick get scored so low....
Is this the final battle??
What you're saying is right, but he isn't wrong though. "Productive of new things or new ideas; inventive". I doubt that anyone can disagree with the fact that The End has produced new ideas, has been inventive for his entire life as a bboy. He has raised the bar countless times and what he does is ORIGINAL. What you're implying is that doing unordinary stuff will get you 5 for originality, but don't forget that these are BBOYS. Originality should be judged within the context of bboying.