THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH! I was part of the crew from Quantum Creation FX that built all the costumes and weapons for Tron Legacy. It's very refreshing to hear someone speak positively about the film. Some clarifications, NO Tron Legacy was not part of a planned trilogy. It was planned as Tron: 2.0 but was decided at the last moment to become a one-off film. If it looks like a David Fincher movie, that's because Joseph Kosinski is a huge Fincher fan. Yes, we the crew all cringed when we saw de-aged Jeff Bridges, ironically enough they developed a much more naturalistic version of this process now. (See The Irishman) The movie made about double the budget back, but by Disney standards that's considered a flop, so don't hold your breath for Tron 3. The reason all the visual fx in the movie looks good is that Disney spent nearly two years on Post Production making sure everything is extra polished. My fondest memory is being electrocuted quite a few times while working on the experimental electrical system for the costumes. Again thanks guys on the lovely praise.
Thank you for sharing this with us, it is a good looking movie, probably the best good looking movie in a long time, your hard work really shows on screen!
I want to say thank you for the stunning cool visuals. Inspired by the suits and props, I even looked at what it would have cost to build myself a little something using EL panel or EL wire for some light-up clothing or accessory that's big enough to be cool and small enough to implement (a high-viz pedestrian accessory would be a great excuse) for bringing some cyberpunk to a dark winter's night. I didn't pursue it further, but I still think about it.
20:50 Jay has the exact same relationship with Tron: Legacy that I do - it's not necessarily my favourite movie ever but I re-watch it often, because there's something about the combination of the visuals and soundtrack that I just can't get enough of
Ditto. I end up being immersed in something I genuinely like, and it’s a fun world to revisit. It’s happened to me with movies that did exceptionally well in some aspects (eg world, characters, score), but lacked in others (eg dialogue, pacing, themes). The Incredible Hulk is another for me.
I am unashamed to say I would absolutely watch a sequel to Legacy... the world building and the visuals have so much potential that I have always wanted to explore.
13:50 The score for Tron was written by Wendy Carlos, who had also scored A Clockwork Orange and The Shining. A Clockwork Orange in particular makes great use of synthesizers.
I actually liked the soundtrack of the original. Wasn't earth-shattering or dramatic like a John Williams orchestra, but it fit the mood of the film to a "t."
Just listened to a new Moog/Flying Lotus collab that came out 3 days ago! Flying Lotus made a film "Building Your World", animated by House, scored using the the 2-note paraphonic analog synthesizer "Subsequent 25".
It's not just the soundtrack to A Clockwork Orange, the music was initially published in 1968 on Switched-On Bach, one of the most influential electronic albums ever published.
Fun fact: The cinematographer for this movie is Claudio Miranda, a frequent collaborator of Joseph Kosinski that has indeed worked with David Fincher as the cinematographer for "The Curious Case of Benjamin Button".
That's cool since Tron is essentially a CheckSum program to make sure programs are doing what they are supposed to do. Hence why he's such a risk to the MCP.
There's a lot of computer jargon in the movie. Flynn says "scuzzi data"- scuzzi was a hard disk type. "Bring out the logic probe"- logic probes test circuits in chips. TRace ON has been sorted. IO towers refer to input-output busses. Frankly, I think that the movie was just over the head of the audience. They didn't understand a lot of the jokes and they didn't understand that they were seeing a brand new way of doing movie effects that would eventually replace practical effects like Trumbell used for Blade Runner.
::The vast and unknowable Disney+ Algorithm notes an anomalous spike in the viewings of Tron: Legacy, and turns its soulless, mousy gaze towards the tiny web avatar of RLM::
Next month, RLM will be taken off RUclips and be exclusive to Disney+. In all seriousness, it wouldn't be the first time Disney noticed RLM. They obviously watched the Plinkett reviews before they made TFA. Sadly, it didn't stop them from making a bunch of other mistakes imo.
32:13 Tron was released on July 9, 1982, in 1,091 theaters in the United States and Canada grossing USD $4 million on its opening weekend. It went on to gross $33 million in the United States and Canada[25] and $17 million overseas, for a worldwide gross of approximately $50 million,[1] which was Disney's highest-grossing live action film for 5 years.[26] In addition, the film had $70 million in wholesale merchandise sales.[26]. The reason Disney wrote off the movie as a fail even though they made money was because they WANTED Star Wars money and did not get it...…….
I saw the original 'Tron' in the cinema when it came out, and still have a soft spot for it. Yes, the flaws are evident (and were back then), but what a warm glow of nostalgia whenever I see a scene.
My experience and sentiment, entirely. What J&J fail to appreciate is, how novel CGI were, back in the day. I saw that movie several times, just for the 10 minutes of computer imagery.
I saw Tron in the drive-in... the last drive-in around my immediate area that was still in business at the time. I think it survived until '84 or '85. Anyways, saw Tron on a double feature with either Star Trek 3 or Last Starfighter... can't remember which... but basically every time we went to the drive in it was a double feature of a current new release and something that was released the year or two before. Anyways, I remember liking it at the time... and yea... it is a little dull in hindsight, but as a 9 or 10 year old I was just amazed by the concept of being sucked into a computer world.
29:22 was always my favourite part of the movie. When CLU asks why Flynn Tricked him, and Flynn Responds "He's my son!" The hurt look, the unspoken "And I'm not?" from CLU always gets me. Really glad it was brought up here.
@@josiahbahuaud2294 the best part about castor is that the actor who plays him was a die hard fan of the original and went out of his way to be in the movie. So the reason why he looks like he’s having the time of his life in most scenes is because the actor was actually having the time of his life during filming.
My dad showed me Tron when I was 4 years old, it blew my fucking mind. We went to see Tron Legacy when it came out together and had a great time. Love you Dad e: thanks for kind comments everyone. my dad is a really great guy and a true scifi nerd. he loves this cult movie stuff. the story of tron isn't much to write home about but it does paint a picture of a much bigger world with its own customs and needs, and that's what captivated my mind 25 years ago. it still does. fingers crossed that someday we get more wonderful weird Tron stuff.
@@CFViking Yeah, I wasn't dogging on the movie; in fact, it's gorgeous, visually speaking, and the soundtrack only further accentuates the look and feel of the movie.
1:58 Atari and Nintendo both had contracts with the US Army. Atari made a training simulator called the Bradley Trainer that was based on the arcade game Battlezone. Nintendo made a special rifle light gun and game for the SNES that was called the Multi-Purpose Arcade Combat Simulator (or M.A.C.S. for short). So, it's not totally unrealistic in that regard.
Tron had 3 major impacts on entertainment: #1 - the light cycle scenes inspired John Lasseter to further develop cgi and eventually create Pixar. #2 - WHENEVER a piece of fiction goes into cyberspace, it almost always looks exactly like the Tron World. #3 - Tron Lines are a staple of sci-fi tech now.
I would love to see the effect used to create the original 1982 Tron world, but recreated using modern technology. Like, we don't need to use high contrast film anymore, and computers should be able to recreate the layering process that was used rather effortlessly. Imagine a true remastering of Tron in this way.
And her unceasing deer-in-headlights look she has like 80% of the time? Yeah I liked her character but she needs to work on her facial expressions. She had a similar problem in _House._ So much wide-eyed looks it feels unnerving. But otherwise she's a fine actress.
@@pacershark452 Erm...she's constantly worked since and just directed a very successful movie (Booksmart), so I'm not sure you've been paying much attention.
Tron: Legacy...probably the only movie that has ever used 3D not just as a gimmick but as an actual storytelling device (the scenes in the real world are in 2D whereas the scenes in the computer are 3D)
Love both Tron movies, I was 13 when the first one came out and was mesmerised by how different it was, the idea of a digital civilisation living within an analogue world blew me away. It was quite brave and experimental of Disney to produce such movie at the time and really should be applauded for pushing technological envelope within the confines of a live action movie even though the final product was flawed. Tron Legacy was an excellent sequel with an amazing soundtrack and the whole production was very respectful to the original.
Yes. When it came out it was visually stunning and creatively unique. Comparing it to Blade Runner is just plain wrong. The concept of a digital world creation was way ahead of its time in a pre Windows era. When I saw the Matrix I immediately thought of Tron and knew that the makers ran with the idea. I guess its a case of "you had to be there" where home computers just started out and whole new outlook of ideas and imaginations opened up that had no rules yet. The late seventies and early eighties was game changer in terms of technology.
It really was. The obvious way to go was to make something like “Pixels”. But instead Disney basically invented cyberspace, had the inhabitants of this nested world treat their remote users as deities, contacted using the I/O Tower temples, introduced the first use of a data weapon (trojan/virus), hypothesized an expanding malevolent AI and cemented the word “user” in popular culture. (Prior to “Tron” the phrases “computer operator” and “computerist” were just as common. After Tron it’s just “user”.) In terms of introducing novel concepts to pop culture it’s almost without peer as a sci fi movie.
Tron: Legacy has probably one of my all-time favorite soundtracks. Daft Punk is my absolute favorite band in the world and will always be. The fact that they were Disney's first choice before a director was even chosen is a true sign of how perfect they were for this movie. Tron: Legacy would most likely be less enjoyable without Daft Punk.
I saw Tron 1 in the theatre when I was 7 years old, and it was quite a spectacle. There was nothing like it. Computer-generated imagery in a movie was amazing. The score by Wendy Carlos was the perfect mix of synth and orchestra. The melodies are very memorable.
Disagree to an extent. I still get chills down my spine from the sound of the 1982 light cycle scene .... The original movie had a lot of faults, but the visuals at the time were awe inspiring.
One of the brilliant things about Tron was that the French illustrator/comic artist Moebius did much of the concept design which is what gave it its very unique look.
I was nine years old when this movie came out. I think people of later generations don't understand the mystery that surrounded computers, much less the idea of a virtual world. Computers were just coming into widespread use. It was one of my favorite movies. I laugh at it now, but I still have a soft spot for it. It's a true artifact of its time.
Tron Legacy occupies a large portion of my childhood film memory. I still laugh with my brother when anyone says "yeah" and it reminds us of the way Jeff Bridges says it. Biodigital jazz, man.
@@a.b.hawkins They clearly are oblivious. The fact that one of the is supposedly a game reviewer and doesn't "get" Tron, makes it one notch more cringeworthy
@@benjaminsantiagosstuff you wanna hear good synth stuff you just listen to baroque hoedown by they might be giants..alll over the spectrum..used to listen to it when i was a child and it probably was one of the songs i ever listened to that inspired me to be a music producer..such intricate sound design for just a little disney tune in a disneymania album
dragons123ism no joke I literally remembered that like ten minutes after posting that last night. Maybe an update video since 8 years have passed would be cool, maybe not idk.
I made a similar drive to an IMAX with my Dad, brother, and sister. Agree on the experience. I've resisted seeing the movie again because I'm afraid it will diminish my memories. The closest I've gotten is listening to the soundtrack over and over.
My favorite line is after CLU asks, "Am I still to create the perfect system?", and Flynn kind of considers, and says, "....yeah?" The two bits that grate with me are the security guard scene on the top on Encom Tower, and the taxi scene when Sam lands on it. A guy lands on your cab, so you immediately speed up and swerve, shouting "No free ride!" After that, it gets good. I do really like this movie. Sam lives in a Dumont shipping container, Kevin still has his Bit. I like the recurrence of reflection in the computer world.
"adorable that a company that makes videogames went on to make software and get government contracts" nervously glances towards John Carmacks direction
I was around 8 when I saw tron on tv and it blew my little mind. It was such a catalyst for my imagination. I fantasized about being in the Tron world for months afterwards. I had a frisbee that I pretended was a light disk and an old refrigerator box that was my light cycle. I went on many adventures.
Me too. I remember playing the Tron arcade. It wasn’t“ugly” back then. It was “awe inspiring” in the style of computers at that time which was intentional. I’m surprised they can’t see that. Then again they think pcs didn’t exist back then.
I was 16 when I saw this movie in the cinema in 1982, I had only played a bit with my brother's Spectrum (yes personal computers were a thing even all the way back then) and had no trouble understanding the premise or the setup of the movie. It's really not that complicated or difficult to grasp. I also really liked the movie.
Yep. There’s a kind of snobbishness of people who weren’t alive back then or too young. Some of their comments were really misinformed. It’s like they wanted to shit in the movie without giving it a fair try.
I was 8 in 1982, and I don't think I had any trouble with it either. I also loved the movie out of the gate and continue to love it, and Legacy, and Uprising, and the Tron 2.0 video game (enough to leave a comment a year after it would have been relevant)! Guess I'm part of that cult....
One thing I'd disagree on with the original Tron is its pacing or explanation of things. The movie has a dreamy, surreal mood and motif and sticks to it. It begins in total darkness, at night. Even in the real world, settings and characters emerge slowly from the shadows. From there, the real and electronic worlds are mixed and cut between in a way that enhances the dreamlike feeling. It is telling that the final shot at the end of the film, in the real world, is at dawn as the sun is rising. There is a feeling of waking up from a long sleep. (This progression and motif is preserve in the sequel, obviously.) The original film stands the test of time precisely because it doesn't try to overexplain things. It remains open to interpretation. The electronic world's abstract aesthetic, by accident of history at least, became timeless. The look of Tron's computer world is essentially cultural shorthand for "virtual reality" and "mathematical", digital landscapes. Retro 80s nostalgia probably helps sell the movie better today than when it was released!
The final shot in "Tron" is actually a time-lapsed shot of the sun setting (rather than rising) over the cityscape of L.A. It's there to show the parallels between our world and The System, with energy and information flowing around in both.
Also, am I the only one who thinks there's a certain charm to super-early CGI? Check out the "Sexy Robot" commercial for another example. I think that aesthetic (in the right context) looks cool.
@@TetsuDeinonychus I studied to be a 3D CG artist (though wound up not going into the industry) and I totally agree. There's more personality there than today's hyper-real aesthetic.
You guys must be kidding! The graphics in Tron back in the day was awesome. Just like Last Starfighter. Both movies were great. I remember my classmates were glued to the TV when we watched this in school. I thank my teachers for their great taste.
THANK YOU FOR THIS. This movie is a big hit in our family. You hit most of the highlights. Its worth stressing how cool the father/son/father's creation/father's self-manifesting creation dynamics are (yes, they could have been explored more). I'd also say that the fact Legacy doesn't fit a traditional narrative/hero structure is a strength - Its its own thing. Few more neat things you didnt mention: - Another Star Wars moment: "I am *not* your father, Sam." - The parallel between Flynn's speech in flashback to shareholders vs Clu's speech to his troops. "In there is a new world/out there is a new world." - It could have played as a cheesy Hollywood moment, but when Sam returns to save Quorra near the end, they're about to jump from the platform, she says "its too far, you'll never make it," and he jumps and lands and says "made it." It calls back to their introduction when she jumps the car out of the grid. A potentially cheesy callback is heightened by the direction, the score and the understated delivery of the line, making it a legitimately goosebump inducing moment. - My 5 yr old loves both Tron and Legacy and insists that he will someday make Tron 3. Check back in in 25 years...
Since this was the late seventies-early eighties, I feel like Disney was trying to create their own Star Wars franchise in terms of scope and state of the arts visuals for the time...and than after Tron: Legacy failed they just said screw it and opened their wallets to buy SW.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what happened with Lucasfilm when making the first Star Wars movie but just flipped. George Lucas wanted buy the rights to make a Flash Gordon movie but couldn’t get them, so he said screw it and made his own Flash Gordon. Amazing how we’ve practically come full circle
@Spit Dragon It's a shame the previous generation spends its time saying how bad the next generation is and reducing their opportunities for the future. I wonder how it felt when the previous generation looked down on yours.
Speaking of the score for "Tron", Jay asserts it would be better if the score was by "someone better with synthesizers". The score for "Tron" is by Wendy Carlos.
Saw TRON in the theater when it came out, and while I understand its missteps, the effect of seeing it on the "big screen" was tremendous. Like FLASH GORDON, I just can't see a first experience of this movie on TV as being much... but seeing it first on the "big screen" was mind-blowing.
24:45 The very first time "Rinzler" spoke during the disk fight, and said the word "user", you could tell it was Bruce Boxleitner's voice. I remember thinking, well, looks like Tron turned bad somehow.
I must be a real weirdo, because I always liked “Tron,” even as a kid back then and still like it. And I don’t have Disney+, but I do have both movies on BD.
tron legacy is ok, I liked it. also, it's "funny" how back then when tron 1 came out it was considered "cheating" because they used computers for the effects, and now everything is cgi.
I mean these days the default is CGI, practical effects are the alternative or special choice, like "ooooh, look at that director!, he uses practical effects!". most mainstream blockbuster movies use CGI for almost everything, and the oscars give awards to those movies, they don't think it's cheating.
@@Troublechutor Don't get me wrong I think it has aged a lot, but I kinda like that about it. it gives off a super nerdy charm while still having some unqiue environments and design.
@@Troublechutor Exactly- sfx in it aged nicelly and have kept their unique character/look, as opossed to almost every other SF, where special effects just look poor quality.
"Are we in a video game world, are we in computer worlds?" You seem to be under the misapprehension that these were different things. These are office workers who create programs on the company systems, and some of those programs are games. _That's where video games started_ guys! Even today, that differentiation is artificial, but at the time it was literally the same systems, as the experts making things to do very serious work during the day would use those same systems during their breaks or after work to create amusements for themselves and others. This movies takes place in the present day in which it was made, not some "confusing fantasy sci-fi world" that you have imagined.
I think they make the distinction between a computer world or a video game world to distinguish between the world of the software and the world of the hardware. For example, if I wanted to represent the workings of a computer with an allegory that used people to represent computer functions, a video game would be something in that world those "computer people" have to work to make function. If I wanted to make a video game world, then I'd make up a fantasy world with characters in it and say it's all part of a video game. It's a different allegory. In the computer people metaphor, Mario as a character isn't a program person working in the computer. The program people are working to make Mario exist. That's probably the difference they meant. The difference between Tron and Spy Kids 3
@TechnicalTortuga The movie outright states that the MCP has been taking on the duties of these other programs. He isn't really an AI in the sense that we'd use it, not any more than any of the other programs were. They all had their jobs and they'd do them, and the MCP was becoming more and more of a monolithic system as it consumed all of the tasks (and their abilities) that EnCom's programs and projects had. In the end, he was just following his initial programming (the MCP was a chess program!), but due to greed and fear (on the part of its User) was doing so far beyond any oversight or control. Its success suggests that it's probably a pretty good chess program! However, both the program and its User had far overstepped themselves. It's a metaphor, but one that is shown as "literal" in the computer world.
Wendy Carlos’ soundtrack to the first movie was always a highlight of that film. It fits the weird and alien environment of the world they were trying to create. Daft Punk definitely knocked it out of the park with Legacy but don’t shade Wendy!
I've just seen the original TRON and enjoyed it. Jay saying that the score might have worked with a big name composer behind it. This was Carlos's first score since doing The Shining- how much "bigger" can you get!?
I wasn't aware of who the composer was, or with the soundtrack previous to watching this. But I did hear that "bad" snippet and was just like "wow, that sounds fucking awesome" and immediately had to go find the soundtrack. They just don't seem to really like any "out there" music, no matter how good. Probably Josh would have something to say about it.
If you were familiar with the state of computer graphics back when the original came out, Tron's visuals were incredible. Smooth curves! Non-stair-step diagonals! Yes, I know most of it was traditional artwork and optical effects with just a smidge of actual computer graphics, but I don't care. The soundtrack was the same deal. Wendy Carlos did a great job making it sound very computer-ish. I was actually a little disappointed with Legacy's soundtrack at first because it was nothing like the original's. It won me over though by being awesome.
Wendy Carlos was a synth pioneer and at the time, for what they were after to make it sound computer-y and futuristic, it's fantastic. Not something I'd want to listen to every day, mind, but it was an interesting and creative choice at the time.
Frankly I liked Tron's visuals better than Legacy. Tron created a virtual world that could not possibly exist in "reality". It appeared everything was made of pure energy and there weren't any real places or physically possible things, for example like how the sail-ship hangar doors opened. Contrast that with Legacy's apartments and nightclubs and furniture and shit, standard movie sets. I loved how the ships were loose parts that floated together instead of the "made for the toy market" design. Or how the tank's shots produced a glowing set of circles. The light cycle combat went from a strategy of wall-building to just some crash and burn shit, in a stereotypical gladiator ring no less. Legacy's visuals were no doubt stunning but imo far less imaginative.
Watched it when I was around 15 and I was never confused either. I found the idea of programs developing sentience and forming an underground religion around Users fascinating
I am with you on this. I saw the original in the theatre and rolled with it. Understood the plot and enjoyed the visuals (groundbreaking for the time). RLM boys are being a bit tough on this one.
I've always thought that TRON: Legacy is what a Green Lantern movie should look and feel like. The way the light constructs work, the score, the glowing suits.
Man, being a massive Green Lantern and Dark Tower fan turned out awfully for me movie-wise :D It needs to be somewhere between Star Wars and Guardians of the Galaxy with, as much as they'd get it wrong, some sort of X-Men/Police Academy/Men In Black style headquarters parts to build characters. bit of funny, bit of drama and show the massive amount of alien GL members. I'd prefer a series, and honestly, if they were to put out a cheap series...I'd prefer a cartoon series. But yea, definitely agree that they could pull it off if they used the score and graphic style of Legacy. Good shout!
Have to disagree about the original's soundtrack. Wendy Carlos was a pioneer in electronic music and used both traditional orchestral and synthesized movements to create a blend , or perhaps even a clash, of the real and digital worlds. I think it worked very well for the type of movie Tron is. It's different in all aspects. It's not a traditional blockbuster, it isn't really action, drama, sci-fi, a "family" adventure, or comedy. It has elements of each, but never really commits to any one genre. It's unique and odd and most definitely not for everyone. The score, in my opinion, matches it perfectly. Granted, I think her work for A Clockwork Orange is stronger, but the opening theme is iconic. Yeah, I know, I'm biased. I'm a big Wendy Carlos fan, going back to stumbling upon my parents' "Switched on Bach" album when I was a child. I've been a fan ever since and find something interesting in all of her compositions. Oh, and the soundtrack for Legacy is awesome in it's own right. I mean, come on, it's Daft Punk. There's nothing more that needs to be said. Just listen and you'll understand how great they are.
I'll always love and appreciate Tron just for it's commitment to it's visual design, across all the Tron media, pretty much. The arcade cabinet, for instance, is just...very atmospheric. It gives you a very clear visual feeling immediately.
Tron: Legacy is honestly one of my favorite films. Just on the visuals and score tbh. Not an engaging film but god damn if it isn't a great time to sit there and absorb.
Really? I thought the first movie was far more inspired than the fairly-generic sequel. I decided when I saw the sequel that once was enough for me. I've seen the original at least a handful of times. 'Here goes something. Here comes nothing.' Ahhhh, boffins.
For real, easily one of my favorites for visuals and score. The story is really underwhelming and poorly thought out, but the look and sound of the movie is damn near perfect.
Wow, it's one of those rare times that I almost completely disagreed with an RLM review. I love the original Tron. Love the quirky glitchy visuals, love the Moog-heavy soundtrack by Wendy Carlos, love the quasi-religious themes of the plot. And that is one thing that frustrated me about the summation of the original Tron as "Flynn gets his video games back". It was more than that. It was about how the use of computers was controlled, back before personal computers were a thing. The server at ENCOM was locked down by Dillinger, at the urging of the MCP, because Flynn kept poking around in it for those video game files. That affected other users, Allan and Lori in particular, so they recruited Flynn's help in cracking it from the inside. But yeah, they spent more time laughing at the graphics. For people with a knowledge of film history like they have, it surprises me that they would be so merciless about it. The film used very early computer graphics, used very minimally in fact, combined with matte paintings and cell animation. It was a huge technical achievement...harmed a bit, I think, by how the Blu-Ray release seems to have oversaturated the colors a bit.
@@ThyPentacle I understand that tastes do vary, and I'm fine with that. They just didn't get it. But to say that no one cares about Tron, they're kind of ignoring the massive impact that its ideas and visuals have had on pop culture. And it was in acknowledging that pop culture impact that Disney made its sequel...and then dropped any further explorations of the universe because they bought Star Wars.
I really liked TRON and used to listen to Wendy Carlos's TRON Anthem piece and end credits music a lot. Maybe one day I'll get to ride the TRON roller coaster.
About the CG effects, they did acknowledge how ambitious it was and respected it, but they clearly didn't hold up. Also, I wouldn't say they were merciless about it, I'd say they were poking fun at the dated effects and how they made scenes and shots awkward to look at. If you want to see them be merciless, watch the Star Trek Discovery Season 2 review.
also Flynn getting proof that he made those video games isn't just proof that he made those video games, it's also proof that he made and legally owns that entire company.
Jay should totally watch the Tron: Uprising cartoon if he likes to hang out in the world of Tron: Legacy. It takes its visual cues and atmosphere and pairs it with a really stylized cartoon look that gives the show a unique vibe
I’m gonna get made fun of for this (I get it; it’s fine) but “Tron: Legacy” was one of my favorite films of the past decade. I saw it in IMAX on Christmas Day when it came out. I bought the soundtrack via iTunes when that came out. I’ve watched it probably about 20 times now. I really enjoy it. I can’t even say WHY I enjoy it so much (probably all the bright colors because I’m special) but i just really enjoy it. And I really wish/don’t wish there was a sequel to it. (On the fence; it’d probably suck but who knows).
Same here, tron legacy is what inspired me to enter a career in computers. The visuals, the score, everything is damn near perfect and I have not seen a film since that can top tron legacy
Jay nailed it when he said it’s a better Star Wars movie than the new Star Wars movies. I wish it was just a *little* tighter script wise and it would be truly great. Also I just remembered Flynn’s badass line “I’m gonna go knock on the sky and listen to the sound.” His whole techno-jesus vibe was super badass.
I’ve also loved it since it came out, so I totally feel you. Not one of my favorites now, but when I was younger I loved it and I’d totally rewatch it now
I'm with ya! I think its truly about the experience of seeing it a theater and especially in the IMAX. It does what all movies aim to do and transports you into the story/world.
30:55 "Pick a theme and go with it." Totally agree with Jack, here. Modern Hollywood "writers" want their scenes before they want their story. It doesn't work that way. You can't just "Mystery Box" the first two-thirds of a movie and then try to crowbar some "big reveal" into the third act. That's WAY too late in the movie to try to make the audience care because by that point they don't know or care what the stakes are. Write a good story, first. That HAS to be the foundation your movie is built on. You can't just "do a bunch of cool scenes" then try to build a story around that later on.
"This came out like the same year as Blade Runner...?" Syd Mead designed both movies. Moebius also worked on Tron, and Blade Runner was heavily inspired by Moebius's comic "The Long Tomorrow"
Great to hear your perspectives on these movies together. I do think you misrepresented the original Tron a bit though. The computer world was supposed to look like a video game of the time (not realistic like Bladerunner). Also, I was a little bummed you didn't mention the concept art for the original was done by the famous French illustrator/comic artist Moebius. It may look a bit funny to today's tastes, but if you're familiar with Moebius's work it makes a little more sense.
No, there’s a lot of comments here and likes from people who loved it when it was released. It was a successful movie on release and got good reviews. These reviewers are just being old curmudgeons to make the new movie look good.
@@Chromeberd I feel the same about ST:TMP. What the guys said at the beginning about TRON i totally get. I remember on at least 3 occasions sitting down to watch it as a kid with friends and after 10 mins we'd go off and do something else for the rest of the afternoon. Yet seemingly 2 or 3 hours later we'd come back inside and the bastard was STILL on. Must be one of those time dillation things as a kid but it just seemed to NEVER END.
The original “Tron” is one of the most audacious and influential pieces of cinema sci-fi ever made. And that’s even WITH it being a box-office flop. Same is true of Blade Runner which came out the same month. The *ideas* it's playing with, for the time, and the way it reifies them...it's incredible for 1982.
When you're talking about the quality of movies from 1982, it's a REALLY high bar. You have to remember some of the other films released in 1982, which overshadow Tron by a mile, especially in modern conversations: Blade Runner, ET, Wrath of Khan, Poltergeist, Officer and a Gentleman, Conan the Barbarian, Creepshow, Dark Crystal, Fast Times at Ridgemont High, First Blood, The Thing, and many others. Tron wasn't nominated for a VFX Oscar, but the nominees were ET, Blade Runner, and Poltergeist. That's a pretty heady group.
@@RedHeadKevin Sigh. Read my post again. I'm not talking about the quality of movies from 1982 qua movies. I'm talking about the IDEAS that Tron presents, most of which were completely new to cinema audiences in 1982. Virtual worlds. Cyberspace. Data weapons. The simulation hypothesis, with users as gods. Tron is a pioneering cyberpunk film two years before Neuromancer came out. It even cemented the word "user" in the culture as the standard term for a computer operator. Most people too young to see it when it came out will have no understanding of this, because they grew up in a world where the ideas it was playing with became part of the cultural landscape.
The soundtrack was composed by someone experienced with synths-Wendy Carlos. A Clockwork Orange(then known as Walter) and The Shining were composed by her.
Someone experienced with synths? You're talking about Wendy fucking Carlos. That's like saying "if only the Jimi Hendrix Experience had a member experienced with guitars."
My experience of seeing Tron was in the movie theater at nine years old. It was one of the most influential movies of my lifetime behind Star Wars. The effects and imagination that went into that film were groundbreaking.
I knew i didn't like it for some reason, but couldn't put my finger on it... yeah, its all brown dirt and looks like crap, that is exactly it. Every other fight at least had a somewhat normal backdrop.
It doesn't look that bad, there are some neat shot (especially at The Assembly) but yeah it's not great either As for the broader criticism on cinematography Patrick Williams made a video on that, and they pretty much fixed that problem with the Feige administration, after Doctor Strange Movies like Ragnarok or Infinity War look a lot more vibrant
@@Louie_The_Dago I mean, what's the point of any franchise then? You always know they are going to win. The criticism doesn't really hold up either cause Infinity War they suffer a major and shocking loss
Yeah, I like the movie. And as they said, everything is really clear even though it's chaotic; even though it's "this happened and this happened and then this happened" we know what happened. Compared to some other blockbusters like Transformers where it's like "who did that? Wait how is he there? I know it's robot A vs robot B, but who's winning?" But that final fight scene IS aesthetically ugly. It reminds me of a game that was modded to REMOVE a green/brown filter and the game looked a lot more colorful and interesting.
I saw Tron when it came out in ‘82, and Wendy Carlos’ soundtrack was awesome! Interesting you picked the one scene with the music where the screeches from the lightcycles almost overrode it. The music when the MCP is destroyed would've been a better pick. There was also a Tron 2.0 video game in 2003 that felt more of a sequel than Legacy. 👍🏼
That's because the game was based on the script for an actual movie sequel that never happened. In a way, despite the fact that Disney effectively de-canonized Tron 2.0 by releasing Legacy, Tron 2.0 is the true sequel to original Tron :]
Before the original Tron was released, a book version was released. And it must have been based on a previous version of the script. The programs all had very human and often humorous personalities. The only programs who behaved like the ones we see in the movies were the ones in the Yori scene, starved for energy. And the "bits" were very different as well. They could answer in any affirmative or negative phrase. The one I remember was "You betcha!" They had a more lively, fun movie. And in my opinion, they rewrote it to make everyone more robotic is because the must have thought that the audience wouldn't understand otherwise.
Same thing I was thinking. I was like "it didn't look that bad" when they were talking about how ugly the movie was. And then I realized that I was remembering Kingdom Hearts 2
Tron was used well in kindgdom hearts 2. They contextualized the world well within the story. And the polished-up visuals looked really nice on ps2. It goes to show that Tron makes a way better videogame than a movie
I seriously think that Tron is one of those movies that you simply had to see when it came out or else it doesn't work for you. As Jay and Jack said the movie is really dated now and the visuals aren't enough to hold the movie up and the story sure as hell isn't. So one basically has to have that nostalgic wow effect and memory of seeing it when it was actually pretty neat looking to like Tron. Or at least that is my reading of it as I was really bored with it when I watched it.
@@Paining "didn't age well" means "it sucked". Flash Gordon 1980 aged well. Because it didn't pretend to be anything other than a balls-out Freddy Mercury cokefest.
@@Pikkabuu Just google "Seinfeld is unfunny". TRON is one of the prime examples - a pioneer that doesn't get the credit because people too young to know better judge it by the standards of the world it influenced so heavily.
@@zimriel It definitely didn't suck then, it sucks now because of the progress that was made. I left theater over 30 years ago and was deeply impressed by the visuals.
This is the first time I've disagreed with RLM so vehemently. The OG Tron is an amazing, underappreciated film. Comparing it to Blade Runner visuals is apples and oranges because of the setting of the two stories. And Wendy Carlos' score is wonderful.
Full Ack. TRON was a wonderfully crafted piece of art that I still enjoy a whole lot. I love the dry atmosphere of it. I would say it does have pacing issues, and a few storytelling issues, though. It is a very simple - perhaps too simple plot, but sometimes less can be more. In this case, I think it worked. It is clearly not a broad-appeal movie so, yeah, many will find it bland, boring, uninspired. I don't. ---------------- However, TRON Legacy, was a bad sequel, saving grace was the soundtrack. The de-aging of Flynn hit the uncanny valley rather badly, and I dislike the plot. It was goofy looking at times, the details on the program bodies were mostly lost, and all that spectacular freedom and liberties taken with physics - the ones that can only BE done in VR - had been ditched in favor of simulated physics and gravity even for the motorbikes. Whereas they were perfectly able to make 45 degree turns on a dime, now they were robbed of these types of freedoms and were, again, constricted by the same rules as in the real world -- Why?! Why would you take the one thing that makes this unique and drop it?
Well the other thing is Blade Runner heavily relied on matte paintings and models. Stuff that was around in hollywood for a long time. Considering the tech that was available at the time. The fact they could make a movie at all using CGI in 1982. Is pretty fucking amazing. Its worth watching for that alone. Even if its pretty slow paced.
Yeah, many of the sequences look like Syd Mead’s art. The visual design is inspired and transcends ugliness most of the time (of course there are exceptions) but that one beautiful shot when Flynn runs past the two hot smoking babe programs. At that exact moment it’s juxtaposed with them saying how ugly it is. They are so wrong. I may be clouded by bias, but damn does OG Tron look great.
Tron Uprising was kind of becoming a bit too... Critical if that makes sense. They put it on progressively worse time slots and then removed it altogether. The show was slated to be really successful, although the art style was a bit experiential (making it more appealing to older audiences). Definitely worth a watch as the actor for Tron voices himself and Elijah wood plays Beck, the main character. Lovely show 🥰
It's interesting that Daft Punk scored Legacy because they started they were inspired by Wendy Carlos to make Random Access Memories. Meanwhile, Wendy composed the original soundtrack.
random access memories was a good album with absolutely no soul in it. which is ironic because you could say its genre is 'soul' and their entire gimmick is that they're robots. i get that they wanted to try something different but its a lot like tron legacy in that they tried to do something new and interesting but didn't really do it for any reason other than 'hey, why not' and it suffers for it greatly. its technically competent and has a strong stylistic vision but it has no emotional direction and thats kind of the core of artistry. people will remember their other 3 albums and the soundtrack to this movie as their accomplishments, but RAM pretty much closed the book on anybody taking electronic artists seriously anymore and its a massive shame. Human After All is probably the most stylistically and emotionally conhesive thing they ever did and they did it in a month in a half in their garage and RAM took like 3 years and had a massive marketing push. i think they lost the connection to what made them great - they stopped being robots trying to be human, and started being humans trying to be robots.
@@Cheesemonk3h I get the criticisms but I wouldn't say the album had no soul. I at least could feel their love for the music they grew up with in a lot of the tracks. It was a lot slower paced than I expected, but a ton of the songs grew on me. People in the 70s have often criticized disco and soft rock anthems for sounding commercialized or generic, and yet, these are the songs Thomas and Guy wanted RAM to sound like. Groups like Chic and the Doobie Brothers (who both were called sellouts constantly) were their biggest inspirations. Daft Punk has always been about keeping a certain feeling that is sort of manufactured to begin with. There's a reason they're also huge fans of 60s pop music. One man's trash is another mans treasure. I cannot get into Robot Rock. All of the ideas seemed half baked and the rock element wasn't explored enough for my tastes. I only really liked the singles because they had energy to them and felt alive. The rest are kind of forgettable in my opinion. If you want simple Daft Punk beats done right listen to their solo material from Roule and Crydamoure.
@@t6v4l968 Gorillaz just lost direction because they were always sellouts but the nature of selling mass media changed in the last 15 years to really prevent them from saying anything that wasn't along a very particular line of thinking. Demon days/their self titled felt like they were speaking to a much broader audience than plastic beach yet plastic beach was presenting itself as a more broadly accessible album, and in the same vein as the other things I said, it was stylistically cohesive but emotionally all over the place. I think the same thing about RAM, I can appreciate it for what it is, but what it is is kind of doesn't hit me personally unlike their other work. It's not because it's not good or because they didn't spend effort on it, but because it felt like it was trying to make a statement but ended up making less of one than their previous stuff. the direction they took was different and I can respect that but the light hearted yet pointed direction of their other stuff just isn't there. it doesn't have the things I associate strongly with their older work. It felt like a forced evolution to be 'an acceptable product' rather than a natural progression of their artistry. Both daft punk and Gorillaz. You can call it selling out but I think it's more about the nature of creating a mass market album in the modern media landscape, there's less room for personal statements and more room to take concepts from the public zeitgeist and shove them into your work to please their A&R
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THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH! I was part of the crew from Quantum Creation FX that built all the costumes and weapons for Tron Legacy. It's very refreshing to hear someone speak positively about the film.
Some clarifications, NO Tron Legacy was not part of a planned trilogy.
It was planned as Tron: 2.0 but was decided at the last moment to become a one-off film.
If it looks like a David Fincher movie, that's because Joseph Kosinski is a huge Fincher fan.
Yes, we the crew all cringed when we saw de-aged Jeff Bridges, ironically enough they developed a much more naturalistic version of this process now. (See The Irishman)
The movie made about double the budget back, but by Disney standards that's considered a flop, so don't hold your breath for Tron 3.
The reason all the visual fx in the movie looks good is that Disney spent nearly two years on Post Production making sure everything is extra polished.
My fondest memory is being electrocuted quite a few times while working on the experimental electrical system for the costumes.
Again thanks guys on the lovely praise.
Damn man. You did GREAT. This movie looks fantastic, and I wish more movies took that time for that polish.
Like many people here have said, this movie looked beautiful--great job, and thanks for sharing your insights!
Thank you for sharing this with us, it is a good looking movie, probably the best good looking movie in a long time, your hard work really shows on screen!
I want to say thank you for the stunning cool visuals. Inspired by the suits and props, I even looked at what it would have cost to build myself a little something using EL panel or EL wire for some light-up clothing or accessory that's big enough to be cool and small enough to implement (a high-viz pedestrian accessory would be a great excuse) for bringing some cyberpunk to a dark winter's night. I didn't pursue it further, but I still think about it.
You must be well proud of your work on this. Great job.
Tron: Legacy has the greatest climax of any movie, because it’s Jeff Bridges fighting Jeff Bridges on a bridge.
Bridges X Bridges on a Bridge. My Favorite Threesome .
If only CG versions of Lloyd and Beau turned up to help him.
easily one of the best youtube comments ive seen
SAM PORTER BRIDGES FIGHTING JEFF BRIDGES ON THE GOLDEN GATE BRIDGE
That Bridges two worlds
20:50 Jay has the exact same relationship with Tron: Legacy that I do - it's not necessarily my favourite movie ever but I re-watch it often, because there's something about the combination of the visuals and soundtrack that I just can't get enough of
Yep, same here I love revisitng that world every so often.
Ditto. I end up being immersed in something I genuinely like, and it’s a fun world to revisit. It’s happened to me with movies that did exceptionally well in some aspects (eg world, characters, score), but lacked in others (eg dialogue, pacing, themes). The Incredible Hulk is another for me.
@@kobebonhomme7037 My dirty little secret is Terminator 3, and Alien 3 (Not going full on Robocop 3) but I have secrets...
@He-Man ! Hulk was better, plus it had Jennifer Connelly in it.
I feel the same way honestly.
The story is alright but the visuals (minus playdoh jeff bridges) and soundtrack are so beautiful.
I am unashamed to say I would absolutely watch a sequel to Legacy... the world building and the visuals have so much potential that I have always wanted to explore.
Holy shit, I found someone else who shares my sentiment! I always get shit when I mention how much I like Legacy to people.
Holy shit, I found someone else who shares my sentiment! I always get shit when I mention how much I like Legacy to people.
You should give Tron: Evolution a play then. It takes you deeper into the world of The Grid.
Apparently it’s in the works with Jared Leto producing.
You're not wrong the visuals were nice and clean.
13:50 The score for Tron was written by Wendy Carlos, who had also scored A Clockwork Orange and The Shining. A Clockwork Orange in particular makes great use of synthesizers.
The moog-synth opening to A Clockwork Orange gives me chills every time. Wendy Carlos is a pro.
I actually liked the soundtrack of the original. Wasn't earth-shattering or dramatic like a John Williams orchestra, but it fit the mood of the film to a "t."
Just listened to a new Moog/Flying Lotus collab that came out 3 days ago! Flying Lotus made a film "Building Your World", animated by House, scored using the the 2-note paraphonic analog synthesizer "Subsequent 25".
I couldn't believe they trashed on pretty much every aspect of the original film but Jack saying the score is awful legit made me mad 😣
It's not just the soundtrack to A Clockwork Orange, the music was initially published in 1968 on Switched-On Bach, one of the most influential electronic albums ever published.
Fun fact: The cinematographer for this movie is Claudio Miranda, a frequent collaborator of Joseph Kosinski that has indeed worked with David Fincher as the cinematographer for "The Curious Case of Benjamin Button".
What's so fun about that
@@joaquinverdun2560 It's more fun than anything you've ever said
And David Fincher was an effects guy.
Wow that's actually pretty neat!
B to the P how do you know that
To this day, Tron: Legacy has one of the greatest soundtracks ever produced for a feature film. Just hands down amazing!
I didn't appreciate them selling it split in three or four parts, but it was great.
i was just going to make the same comment :)) . arguably the best soundtranck of all time . every single track
It's because they got Daft Punk to compose the score.
I'm glad the movie exist even if it's just for that (and the remix album, it's amazing too).
Its reminiscent of my favorite soundtrack, Fight Club, by the Dust Brothers.
I fondly remember Tron legacy because of 3 things:
1) The starkly unique and captivating world it's set in
2) The Daft Punk soundtrack
3) Olivia Wilde
In the reverse order surely.
@@suryakumars There was reverse something going on in my mind if you catch my drift.
It was an incredible experience in IMAX
@@Chromeberd Your outie became an innie?
I only remember tron legacy for the soundtrack lol
Hacks! The helicopter shot in the opening sequence is echoed by the moment when the Recognizer finds him after entering the grid! Frauds!
Yeah, they kinda dropped the ball on that obvious reference.
Nice to see i'm not the only one who thought of this.
I thought the same... Did they really whached Tron Legacy?
@Suffer No Fools Maybe they whacked Tron Legacy?
Yeah lol I thought that's what they were gonna' liken it to.
Almost Fun fact: TRON is the thing you used to write in old computers to see the line numbers as a program was running, for debugging.
I thought it was from elecTRONic. I learned something new. And this is one of the only times I disagreed with them too. I must be part of the cult 😅
It IS from elecTRONic. But what the OG poster said was true as well.
That's cool since Tron is essentially a CheckSum program to make sure programs are doing what they are supposed to do. Hence why he's such a risk to the MCP.
There's a lot of computer jargon in the movie. Flynn says "scuzzi data"- scuzzi was a hard disk type. "Bring out the logic probe"- logic probes test circuits in chips. TRace ON has been sorted. IO towers refer to input-output busses. Frankly, I think that the movie was just over the head of the audience. They didn't understand a lot of the jokes and they didn't understand that they were seeing a brand new way of doing movie effects that would eventually replace practical effects like Trumbell used for Blade Runner.
The director says in the DVD commentary that it's short for electron.
::The vast and unknowable Disney+ Algorithm notes an anomalous spike in the viewings of Tron: Legacy, and turns its soulless, mousy gaze towards the tiny web avatar of RLM::
quite cinematic!
Next month, RLM will be taken off RUclips and be exclusive to Disney+.
In all seriousness, it wouldn't be the first time Disney noticed RLM. They obviously watched the Plinkett reviews before they made TFA. Sadly, it didn't stop them from making a bunch of other mistakes imo.
"Your move hack-frauds. Come on!"
Disney: “Your move Jay. Come on!”
Chilling
32:13 Tron was released on July 9, 1982, in 1,091 theaters in the United States and Canada grossing USD $4 million on its opening weekend. It went on to gross $33 million in the United States and Canada[25] and $17 million overseas, for a worldwide gross of approximately $50 million,[1] which was Disney's highest-grossing live action film for 5 years.[26] In addition, the film had $70 million in wholesale merchandise sales.[26]. The reason Disney wrote off the movie as a fail even though they made money was because they WANTED Star Wars money and did not get it...…….
It was a box office win. But not nearly as big for long term investment.
This enacted Disney’s master plan to buy Star Wars destroy it and then bring back Tron to take its place at the top!! Ehhh maybe not
I think the same thing later happened with Tron: Legacy, because it felt like it was positioned to be another Avatar-sized "movie event".
@@morrettigames5153 Part 1 of the plan is complete already at least. Let's hope they can complete the second with the same passion.
@@jakehanley come to think of it Disney was sort of having a lot of fails with Tron Legacy, Adventureland and John Carter.
Every once in a while I still remember the greatest exchange ever from Tron Legacy
"Am I still the creator of the perfect system?!"
"...yeah?"
We busted a gut in the theater at that line
Part Time
I love that delivery. It’s perfect for Kevin Flynn, but also hilarious.
Isn't the line "Am I still to create the perfect system?"
@@RedHeadKevin Yes, the original commenter misheard.
I saw the original 'Tron' in the cinema when it came out, and still have a soft spot for it. Yes, the flaws are evident (and were back then), but what a warm glow of nostalgia whenever I see a scene.
My experience and sentiment, entirely. What J&J fail to appreciate is, how novel CGI were, back in the day. I saw that movie several times, just for the 10 minutes of computer imagery.
saw it in encino california when i came out. that night all i could do is think about getting glow in the dark stickers
The movie is extremely DEEP
Also you have to consider it within the context of it's era
I saw Tron in the drive-in... the last drive-in around my immediate area that was still in business at the time. I think it survived until '84 or '85. Anyways, saw Tron on a double feature with either Star Trek 3 or Last Starfighter... can't remember which... but basically every time we went to the drive in it was a double feature of a current new release and something that was released the year or two before.
Anyways, I remember liking it at the time... and yea... it is a little dull in hindsight, but as a 9 or 10 year old I was just amazed by the concept of being sucked into a computer world.
29:22 was always my favourite part of the movie. When CLU asks why Flynn Tricked him, and Flynn Responds "He's my son!"
The hurt look, the unspoken "And I'm not?" from CLU always gets me. Really glad it was brought up here.
Sam getting caught by the helicopter in the beginning is actually mirrored by him getting caught by the recognizer when first entering the grid.
I was disappointed they didn’t make that connection. The movie is full of parallelism and symmetry.
Are you saying...it's like poetry?
@@williamsircin6025Castor is a funnier character than we’ve ever had before. 😂
@@josiahbahuaud2294 the best part about castor is that the actor who plays him was a die hard fan of the original and went out of his way to be in the movie. So the reason why he looks like he’s having the time of his life in most scenes is because the actor was actually having the time of his life during filming.
Tron fights for the users, yet nobody fights for Tron?
I feel like someone should be defending these movies! I’ll gladly volunteer.
There are people doing just that. There’s just not a lot of them.
I tell everyone to go watch Tron.
@@KizaruB nah, it’s got enough to make a clear difference on these comments at least.
My dad showed me Tron when I was 4 years old, it blew my fucking mind. We went to see Tron Legacy when it came out together and had a great time. Love you Dad
e: thanks for kind comments everyone. my dad is a really great guy and a true scifi nerd. he loves this cult movie stuff. the story of tron isn't much to write home about but it does paint a picture of a much bigger world with its own customs and needs, and that's what captivated my mind 25 years ago. it still does. fingers crossed that someday we get more wonderful weird Tron stuff.
Very wholesome. Love this.
Yeah, this whole review ignores the fact that TRON was designed as a kids' franchise, and wasn't designed to appeal to adults.
Love you too!
That's lovely
I really enjoyed Tron Legacy. I wish they would have followed it up with another film.
TRON: Legacy didn't fail because it gave us an amazing Daft Punk Soundtrack
This.
Yeah dude we just got high and watched it it was cool. Miss college.
To be honest, wasn't that whole movie just a Daft Punk music video?
@@williamlowery6487 That's the best way to look at it, really, and in that regard it is a tremendous success.
@@CFViking Yeah, I wasn't dogging on the movie; in fact, it's gorgeous, visually speaking, and the soundtrack only further accentuates the look and feel of the movie.
1:58 Atari and Nintendo both had contracts with the US Army. Atari made a training simulator called the Bradley Trainer that was based on the arcade game Battlezone. Nintendo made a special rifle light gun and game for the SNES that was called the Multi-Purpose Arcade Combat Simulator (or M.A.C.S. for short). So, it's not totally unrealistic in that regard.
And Will Wright created information software for the employees at an oil refinery based on his game Sim City.
Tron had 3 major impacts on entertainment:
#1 - the light cycle scenes inspired John Lasseter to further develop cgi and eventually create Pixar.
#2 - WHENEVER a piece of fiction goes into cyberspace, it almost always looks exactly like the Tron World.
#3 - Tron Lines are a staple of sci-fi tech now.
Also Tron genuinely paved the way for cgi films
I would love to see the effect used to create the original 1982 Tron world, but recreated using modern technology. Like, we don't need to use high contrast film anymore, and computers should be able to recreate the layering process that was used rather effortlessly. Imagine a true remastering of Tron in this way.
Lasseter never created Pixar though, it was originally a division of Lucasfilm
The thing that comes to mind, when I think about Tron Legacy, is Olivia Wilde.
You know... I'm with you there. But i think Gem - almost - edges her out. Almost.
And her unceasing deer-in-headlights look she has like 80% of the time?
Yeah I liked her character but she needs to work on her facial expressions. She had a similar problem in _House._ So much wide-eyed looks it feels unnerving. But otherwise she's a fine actress.
@@pacershark452 Erm...she's constantly worked since and just directed a very successful movie (Booksmart), so I'm not sure you've been paying much attention.
@@pacershark452 Go and make one then...let's see how good it is.
Man, some people are deluded.
Olivia was amazing in this. Not enough dialogue but she looked great imo.
Mandalorian and Tron Re:Views huh? Sounds like someone got a hold of Rich Evans password to Disney plus
To be fair, soon all media products will be Disney products
Frank Merker unfortunately you may just be right
The Nerd Crew is not a parody, it turns out
It’s ok rich just used a credit card he found in the parking lot
@@AltoStratusX1 +1
Tron: Legacy...probably the only movie that has ever used 3D not just as a gimmick but as an actual storytelling device (the scenes in the real world are in 2D whereas the scenes in the computer are 3D)
Spy Kids 3D did basically the same thing ;)
Dredd
So a gimmick in other words.
Love both Tron movies, I was 13 when the first one came out and was mesmerised by how different it was, the idea of a digital civilisation living within an analogue world blew me away. It was quite brave and experimental of Disney to produce such movie at the time and really should be applauded for pushing technological envelope within the confines of a live action movie even though the final product was flawed. Tron Legacy was an excellent sequel with an amazing soundtrack and the whole production was very respectful to the original.
Exactly
No matter how respectful it was, it isn't a good film... Don't get me wrong I love the visuals but it's a mess...
Yes. When it came out it was visually stunning and creatively unique. Comparing it to Blade Runner is just plain wrong. The concept of a digital world creation was way ahead of its time in a pre Windows era. When I saw the Matrix I immediately thought of Tron and knew that the makers ran with the idea. I guess its a case of "you had to be there" where home computers just started out and whole new outlook of ideas and imaginations opened up that had no rules yet. The late seventies and early eighties was game changer in terms of technology.
It really was. The obvious way to go was to make something like “Pixels”. But instead Disney basically invented cyberspace, had the inhabitants of this nested world treat their remote users as deities, contacted using the I/O Tower temples, introduced the first use of a data weapon (trojan/virus), hypothesized an expanding malevolent AI and cemented the word “user” in popular culture. (Prior to “Tron” the phrases “computer operator” and “computerist” were just as common. After Tron it’s just “user”.)
In terms of introducing novel concepts to pop culture it’s almost without peer as a sci fi movie.
Alistair Walsh It isn’t a mess, beyond perhaps being an adult sci fi story being marketed to kids (very common for Disney in this era).
20:59 "The look of everything" *cuts to Olivia Wilde* Jay is truly a man of culture.
I'm surprised they didn't talk more about her
I was pretty distracted watching this movie, gotta say.
@@_lithp The sequel to that Stephen Hawking movie. Laurence Casdan rumored to write.
jack is married and jay is a homosexual
Olivia Wilde never looked better.
I liked Tron series more than Ready Player One.
Hated the book and the movie was just as bad.
I think everyone with two brain cells to rub together can agree. For christs sake RDO doesn't have a single original bone in it
Setting the bar kind of low. RPO was terrible.
Ready Player One is tiresome.
Heck, I like the Wreck'it Ralph series over Ready Player One,
Tron: Legacy has probably one of my all-time favorite soundtracks. Daft Punk is my absolute favorite band in the world and will always be. The fact that they were Disney's first choice before a director was even chosen is a true sign of how perfect they were for this movie. Tron: Legacy would most likely be less enjoyable without Daft Punk.
The soundtrack to Tron: Legacy is one of the best I've ever heard
THE BEST!!!!!
It truly is, good call
Agree 1000%
Duh! Its freaking Daft Punk
It is the best. I was blown away
I saw Tron 1 in the theatre when I was 7 years old, and it was quite a spectacle. There was nothing like it. Computer-generated imagery in a movie was amazing. The score by Wendy Carlos was the perfect mix of synth and orchestra. The melodies are very memorable.
Disagree to an extent. I still get chills down my spine from the sound of the 1982 light cycle scene ....
The original movie had a lot of faults, but the visuals at the time were awe inspiring.
It really dared to be different, and all these years later nothing has quite had the same look or feel.
One of the brilliant things about Tron was that the French illustrator/comic artist Moebius did much of the concept design which is what gave it its very unique look.
I was nine years old when this movie came out. I think people of later generations don't understand the mystery that surrounded computers, much less the idea of a virtual world. Computers were just coming into widespread use. It was one of my favorite movies. I laugh at it now, but I still have a soft spot for it. It's a true artifact of its time.
Same, it just has some special hold on me.
@@JoeLeasure Syd Meade as well
Tron Legacy occupies a large portion of my childhood film memory. I still laugh with my brother when anyone says "yeah" and it reminds us of the way Jeff Bridges says it. Biodigital jazz, man.
The score was done by Wendy Carlos, who composed The Shining.
score in a clockwork orange doeeeeeeee
“Someone good with synth stuff” I wonder if he knows
Andrew Hawkins ha “good with synth stuff” just means “the ominous tones I like”...
@@a.b.hawkins They clearly are oblivious. The fact that one of the is supposedly a game reviewer and doesn't "get" Tron, makes it one notch more cringeworthy
@@benjaminsantiagosstuff you wanna hear good synth stuff you just listen to baroque hoedown by they might be giants..alll over the spectrum..used to listen to it when i was a child and it probably was one of the songs i ever listened to that inspired me to be a music producer..such intricate sound design for just a little disney tune in a disneymania album
RLM needs to do a review of Dredd if they’re talking about underrated sci-fi action films of the last ten years.
Half in the bag - episode 39
I am the Law IN the HOUUUuuuuse
dragons123ism no joke I literally remembered that like ten minutes after posting that last night. Maybe an update video since 8 years have passed would be cool, maybe not idk.
@@personofpinterest4281 But it wasn't a re:View :) It definitely needs more attention.
Posting just to reiterate how good Dress was.
My brother and I made the three hour drive to the nearest IMAX to see Tron: Legacy. It's still the best theater experience that I've ever had.
closest thing I've seen to a Daft Punk concert
That openin' sprawl was awesome!
I made a similar drive to an IMAX with my Dad, brother, and sister. Agree on the experience. I've resisted seeing the movie again because I'm afraid it will diminish my memories. The closest I've gotten is listening to the soundtrack over and over.
I took a bus and then the metro to the biggest theater in Taipei for that movie. I’ll never forget it. I still love both movies.
My favorite line is after CLU asks, "Am I still to create the perfect system?", and Flynn kind of considers, and says, "....yeah?"
The two bits that grate with me are the security guard scene on the top on Encom Tower, and the taxi scene when Sam lands on it. A guy lands on your cab, so you immediately speed up and swerve, shouting "No free ride!"
After that, it gets good. I do really like this movie. Sam lives in a Dumont shipping container, Kevin still has his Bit. I like the recurrence of reflection in the computer world.
Yes (in the voice of Bit)
The original TRON was really neat when it came out. Jay can bag on it all he wants, but I still like it.
"adorable that a company that makes videogames went on to make software and get government contracts" nervously glances towards John Carmacks direction
I was around 8 when I saw tron on tv and it blew my little mind. It was such a catalyst for my imagination. I fantasized about being in the Tron world for months afterwards. I had a frisbee that I pretended was a light disk and an old refrigerator box that was my light cycle. I went on many adventures.
Ever since seeing Tron as a kid, I've always seen frisbees as light discs.
This. Same.
Me too. I remember playing the Tron arcade. It wasn’t“ugly” back then. It was “awe inspiring” in the style of computers at that time which was intentional. I’m surprised they can’t see that. Then again they think pcs didn’t exist back then.
Well said....I had the same experience!
I was 16 when I saw this movie in the cinema in 1982, I had only played a bit with my brother's Spectrum (yes personal computers were a thing even all the way back then) and had no trouble understanding the premise or the setup of the movie. It's really not that complicated or difficult to grasp. I also really liked the movie.
I really enjoyed reading your comment
Yep. There’s a kind of snobbishness of people who weren’t alive back then or too young. Some of their comments were really misinformed. It’s like they wanted to shit in the movie without giving it a fair try.
I was 8 in 1982, and I don't think I had any trouble with it either. I also loved the movie out of the gate and continue to love it, and Legacy, and Uprising, and the Tron 2.0 video game (enough to leave a comment a year after it would have been relevant)! Guess I'm part of that cult....
@@taejaskudva2543 Apperantly, Tony 3 has the go ahead...
One thing I'd disagree on with the original Tron is its pacing or explanation of things. The movie has a dreamy, surreal mood and motif and sticks to it. It begins in total darkness, at night. Even in the real world, settings and characters emerge slowly from the shadows. From there, the real and electronic worlds are mixed and cut between in a way that enhances the dreamlike feeling. It is telling that the final shot at the end of the film, in the real world, is at dawn as the sun is rising. There is a feeling of waking up from a long sleep. (This progression and motif is preserve in the sequel, obviously.)
The original film stands the test of time precisely because it doesn't try to overexplain things. It remains open to interpretation. The electronic world's abstract aesthetic, by accident of history at least, became timeless. The look of Tron's computer world is essentially cultural shorthand for "virtual reality" and "mathematical", digital landscapes. Retro 80s nostalgia probably helps sell the movie better today than when it was released!
The final shot in "Tron" is actually a time-lapsed shot of the sun setting (rather than rising) over the cityscape of L.A. It's there to show the parallels between our world and The System, with energy and information flowing around in both.
Also, am I the only one who thinks there's a certain charm to super-early CGI? Check out the "Sexy Robot" commercial for another example.
I think that aesthetic (in the right context) looks cool.
@@TetsuDeinonychus I studied to be a 3D CG artist (though wound up not going into the industry) and I totally agree. There's more personality there than today's hyper-real aesthetic.
You guys must be kidding!
The graphics in Tron back in the day was awesome. Just like Last Starfighter.
Both movies were great. I remember my classmates were glued to the TV when we watched this in school. I thank my teachers for their great taste.
To understand the excitement, those movies both should be compared with computer/console/arcade games of the day--not other movies.
Not only the CG but the amazing neon look of the world and its Moebius designs.
"They're selling Tron action figures in the toy isles at wallgreens!"
Well, SOMETHING had to take the space that Star Wars toys aren't using anymore?
Can’t wait til Nerd Box starts repurposing Rey, Finn, and Poe action figures for upcoming Marvel films
Star Wars action figures are already warming all the shelves anyway.
THANK YOU FOR THIS. This movie is a big hit in our family. You hit most of the highlights. Its worth stressing how cool the father/son/father's creation/father's self-manifesting creation dynamics are (yes, they could have been explored more). I'd also say that the fact Legacy doesn't fit a traditional narrative/hero structure is a strength - Its its own thing.
Few more neat things you didnt mention:
- Another Star Wars moment: "I am *not* your father, Sam."
- The parallel between Flynn's speech in flashback to shareholders vs Clu's speech to his troops. "In there is a new world/out there is a new world."
- It could have played as a cheesy Hollywood moment, but when Sam returns to save Quorra near the end, they're about to jump from the platform, she says "its too far, you'll never make it," and he jumps and lands and says "made it." It calls back to their introduction when she jumps the car out of the grid. A potentially cheesy callback is heightened by the direction, the score and the understated delivery of the line, making it a legitimately goosebump inducing moment.
- My 5 yr old loves both Tron and Legacy and insists that he will someday make Tron 3. Check back in in 25 years...
Since this was the late seventies-early eighties, I feel like Disney was trying to create their own Star Wars franchise in terms of scope and state of the arts visuals for the time...and than after Tron: Legacy failed they just said screw it and opened their wallets to buy SW.
Then not than
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what happened with Lucasfilm when making the first Star Wars movie but just flipped. George Lucas wanted buy the rights to make a Flash Gordon movie but couldn’t get them, so he said screw it and made his own Flash Gordon. Amazing how we’ve practically come full circle
@Spit Dragon It's a shame the previous generation spends its time saying how bad the next generation is and reducing their opportunities for the future. I wonder how it felt when the previous generation looked down on yours.
@Spit Dragon He used their correctly.
@Spit Dragon dude, power down.
Speaking of the score for "Tron", Jay asserts it would be better if the score was by "someone better with synthesizers".
The score for "Tron" is by Wendy Carlos.
Oh wow. I haven't gotten that far because I had to take a break after Jack said the score sucked.
How embarrassing.
Is it any good though? I don't quite remember ...
Yeah I've never disagreed more with them on a topic. The score of the OG Tron is fantastic
Right. I can't believe they could dislike the score, it's amazing.
@Mm Mm Wendy Carlos is the synthesizer music pioneer who composed the score for "A Clockwork Orange" and "The Shining"
Saw TRON in the theater when it came out, and while I understand its missteps, the effect of seeing it on the "big screen" was tremendous. Like FLASH GORDON, I just can't see a first experience of this movie on TV as being much... but seeing it first on the "big screen" was mind-blowing.
Agreed!
24:45 The very first time "Rinzler" spoke during the disk fight, and said the word "user", you could tell it was Bruce Boxleitner's voice. I remember thinking, well, looks like Tron turned bad somehow.
I will never forget when I saw Tron Legacy for the first time back in 2010. It blew my mind and up to this day, I love that movie to death.
Me too
Same
samesies
Right there with ya.
yep, saved my life
I must be a real weirdo, because I always liked “Tron,” even as a kid back then and still like it. And I don’t have Disney+, but I do have both movies on BD.
Same. Tron is kinda the fault of why I am into IT.
Yep me too guys.....l think RLM are being a little poefaced about this tbh
Shaun O'Shea you've got to remember that good movies scare and confuse the RLM guys. They can only 100% understand and recommend schlock.
It's vtmb all over again ;__
Yup. Tron Rocks. Bunch of Hack frauds running this show.
tron legacy is ok, I liked it.
also, it's "funny" how back then when tron 1 came out it was considered "cheating" because they used computers for the effects, and now everything is cgi.
@@testtube173 Tron didn't get nominated for an Oscar for special effects because they deemed using CGI as "cheating".
I mean these days the default is CGI, practical effects are the alternative or special choice, like "ooooh, look at that director!, he uses practical effects!". most mainstream blockbuster movies use CGI for almost everything, and the oscars give awards to those movies, they don't think it's cheating.
It wasn't cheating. Having computer generated graphics was sort of the point of the film.
god i wish tron legacy got a sequel. i really do genuinely love that movie. it's so nice to look at and the world deserves expansion.
"It's dark vaporWARE"
Sorta like Tron 3
lol jack knows his shit man
Noice
Such a shame, would have loved to see Tron 3. Who knows in 20 more years Legacy will be 30 and we might get it then.🤭
I'm gonna be honest, I really dig the look of the oringal tron. White jumpsuits and all.
@@Troublechutor Ditto.
@@Troublechutor Don't get me wrong I think it has aged a lot, but I kinda like that about it. it gives off a super nerdy charm while still having some unqiue environments and design.
@@Troublechutor Exactly- sfx in it aged nicelly and have kept their unique character/look, as opossed to almost every other SF, where special effects just look poor quality.
"Are we in a video game world, are we in computer worlds?"
You seem to be under the misapprehension that these were different things. These are office workers who create programs on the company systems, and some of those programs are games. _That's where video games started_ guys! Even today, that differentiation is artificial, but at the time it was literally the same systems, as the experts making things to do very serious work during the day would use those same systems during their breaks or after work to create amusements for themselves and others. This movies takes place in the present day in which it was made, not some "confusing fantasy sci-fi world" that you have imagined.
THIS RIGHT HERE !
I think they make the distinction between a computer world or a video game world to distinguish between the world of the software and the world of the hardware.
For example, if I wanted to represent the workings of a computer with an allegory that used people to represent computer functions, a video game would be something in that world those "computer people" have to work to make function.
If I wanted to make a video game world, then I'd make up a fantasy world with characters in it and say it's all part of a video game. It's a different allegory. In the computer people metaphor, Mario as a character isn't a program person working in the computer. The program people are working to make Mario exist.
That's probably the difference they meant. The difference between Tron and Spy Kids 3
LOL
@TechnicalTortuga The movie outright states that the MCP has been taking on the duties of these other programs. He isn't really an AI in the sense that we'd use it, not any more than any of the other programs were. They all had their jobs and they'd do them, and the MCP was becoming more and more of a monolithic system as it consumed all of the tasks (and their abilities) that EnCom's programs and projects had.
In the end, he was just following his initial programming (the MCP was a chess program!), but due to greed and fear (on the part of its User) was doing so far beyond any oversight or control. Its success suggests that it's probably a pretty good chess program! However, both the program and its User had far overstepped themselves.
It's a metaphor, but one that is shown as "literal" in the computer world.
"This isn't happening, it only thinks it's happening."
Wendy Carlos’ soundtrack to the first movie was always a highlight of that film. It fits the weird and alien environment of the world they were trying to create. Daft Punk definitely knocked it out of the park with Legacy but don’t shade Wendy!
I've just seen the original TRON and enjoyed it. Jay saying that the score might have worked with a big name composer behind it. This was Carlos's first score since doing The Shining- how much "bigger" can you get!?
@@chriscorben-green2640 literally stopped watching after the wendy diss lmao
@@trashcannn971 "Someone that was really good with synths". lol Literally the first musician to ever having recorded using a moog prototype.
@@pauraba5621 They´re clueless.
I wasn't aware of who the composer was, or with the soundtrack previous to watching this. But I did hear that "bad" snippet and was just like "wow, that sounds fucking awesome" and immediately had to go find the soundtrack.
They just don't seem to really like any "out there" music, no matter how good. Probably Josh would have something to say about it.
If you were familiar with the state of computer graphics back when the original came out, Tron's visuals were incredible. Smooth curves! Non-stair-step diagonals! Yes, I know most of it was traditional artwork and optical effects with just a smidge of actual computer graphics, but I don't care.
The soundtrack was the same deal. Wendy Carlos did a great job making it sound very computer-ish. I was actually a little disappointed with Legacy's soundtrack at first because it was nothing like the original's. It won me over though by being awesome.
Wendy Carlos was a synth pioneer and at the time, for what they were after to make it sound computer-y and futuristic, it's fantastic. Not something I'd want to listen to every day, mind, but it was an interesting and creative choice at the time.
Frankly I liked Tron's visuals better than Legacy. Tron created a virtual world that could not possibly exist in "reality". It appeared everything was made of pure energy and there weren't any real places or physically possible things, for example like how the sail-ship hangar doors opened. Contrast that with Legacy's apartments and nightclubs and furniture and shit, standard movie sets. I loved how the ships were loose parts that floated together instead of the "made for the toy market" design. Or how the tank's shots produced a glowing set of circles. The light cycle combat went from a strategy of wall-building to just some crash and burn shit, in a stereotypical gladiator ring no less. Legacy's visuals were no doubt stunning but imo far less imaginative.
I dunno Jay I was never confused about what was going on in Tron.
Watched it when I was around 15 and I was never confused either. I found the idea of programs developing sentience and forming an underground religion around Users fascinating
I am with you on this. I saw the original in the theatre and rolled with it. Understood the plot and enjoyed the visuals (groundbreaking for the time). RLM boys are being a bit tough on this one.
I also appreciated the 'slower pace'. 80's synth cheese is my staple food so that also helps.
Me either, but i was a weird kid.
You're commenting on RUclips on a RedLetterMedia review video, you are not who he is talking about
I've always thought that TRON: Legacy is what a Green Lantern movie should look and feel like. The way the light constructs work, the score, the glowing suits.
Love the idea!
Ugh you’re so fucking right
Yeah it's a shame the actual Green Lantern movie was trash. Tron Legacy is unironically a lil' bit of a gem in my opinion.
I thought the original TRON and Flash Gordon score was what a Green Lantern score should be.
Man, being a massive Green Lantern and Dark Tower fan turned out awfully for me movie-wise :D
It needs to be somewhere between Star Wars and Guardians of the Galaxy with, as much as they'd get it wrong, some sort of X-Men/Police Academy/Men In Black style headquarters parts to build characters. bit of funny, bit of drama and show the massive amount of alien GL members. I'd prefer a series, and honestly, if they were to put out a cheap series...I'd prefer a cartoon series.
But yea, definitely agree that they could pull it off if they used the score and graphic style of Legacy. Good shout!
Have to disagree about the original's soundtrack. Wendy Carlos was a pioneer in electronic music and used both traditional orchestral and synthesized movements to create a blend , or perhaps even a clash, of the real and digital worlds. I think it worked very well for the type of movie Tron is. It's different in all aspects. It's not a traditional blockbuster, it isn't really action, drama, sci-fi, a "family" adventure, or comedy. It has elements of each, but never really commits to any one genre. It's unique and odd and most definitely not for everyone. The score, in my opinion, matches it perfectly. Granted, I think her work for A Clockwork Orange is stronger, but the opening theme is iconic. Yeah, I know, I'm biased. I'm a big Wendy Carlos fan, going back to stumbling upon my parents' "Switched on Bach" album when I was a child. I've been a fan ever since and find something interesting in all of her compositions. Oh, and the soundtrack for Legacy is awesome in it's own right. I mean, come on, it's Daft Punk. There's nothing more that needs to be said. Just listen and you'll understand how great they are.
That hidden Mickey 38:33 always gave me the chills for some reason.
Wow, that's fucking scary. I came to this comment like 3 seconds before they showed that, too.
Oh God, I've never noticed that
I'll always love and appreciate Tron just for it's commitment to it's visual design, across all the Tron media, pretty much. The arcade cabinet, for instance, is just...very atmospheric. It gives you a very clear visual feeling immediately.
Tron: Legacy is honestly one of my favorite films. Just on the visuals and score tbh. Not an engaging film but god damn if it isn't a great time to sit there and absorb.
Phenomenal score.
I think by definition, what you said means that it IS engaging. :D I love it to death. I watch it on a regular basis.
I completely agree, its a very well made film and I'm legitimately surprised that it isn't more popular.
Really? I thought the first movie was far more inspired than the fairly-generic sequel. I decided when I saw the sequel that once was enough for me. I've seen the original at least a handful of times.
'Here goes something. Here comes nothing.' Ahhhh, boffins.
For real, easily one of my favorites for visuals and score. The story is really underwhelming and poorly thought out, but the look and sound of the movie is damn near perfect.
Tron is sci-fi candy and a delight for any science fiction fan, both for novel and film fans of the genre.
I had a Sark action figure. Only Sark. He had to have his adventures with my Star Wars action figures.
Wow, it's one of those rare times that I almost completely disagreed with an RLM review. I love the original Tron. Love the quirky glitchy visuals, love the Moog-heavy soundtrack by Wendy Carlos, love the quasi-religious themes of the plot.
And that is one thing that frustrated me about the summation of the original Tron as "Flynn gets his video games back". It was more than that. It was about how the use of computers was controlled, back before personal computers were a thing. The server at ENCOM was locked down by Dillinger, at the urging of the MCP, because Flynn kept poking around in it for those video game files. That affected other users, Allan and Lori in particular, so they recruited Flynn's help in cracking it from the inside.
But yeah, they spent more time laughing at the graphics. For people with a knowledge of film history like they have, it surprises me that they would be so merciless about it. The film used very early computer graphics, used very minimally in fact, combined with matte paintings and cell animation. It was a huge technical achievement...harmed a bit, I think, by how the Blu-Ray release seems to have oversaturated the colors a bit.
@@ThyPentacle I understand that tastes do vary, and I'm fine with that. They just didn't get it. But to say that no one cares about Tron, they're kind of ignoring the massive impact that its ideas and visuals have had on pop culture. And it was in acknowledging that pop culture impact that Disney made its sequel...and then dropped any further explorations of the universe because they bought Star Wars.
I really liked TRON and used to listen to Wendy Carlos's TRON Anthem piece and end credits music a lot. Maybe one day I'll get to ride the TRON roller coaster.
About the CG effects, they did acknowledge how ambitious it was and respected it, but they clearly didn't hold up. Also, I wouldn't say they were merciless about it, I'd say they were poking fun at the dated effects and how they made scenes and shots awkward to look at. If you want to see them be merciless, watch the Star Trek Discovery Season 2 review.
also Flynn getting proof that he made those video games isn't just proof that he made those video games, it's also proof that he made and legally owns that entire company.
ThyBox pla
I saw Tron at the theatre as a kid and loved it. It was a double feature with “Something Wicked This Way Comes”.
PrettyTigerlilly all I really remember is lots and lots of spiders! 😱
Jay should totally watch the Tron: Uprising cartoon if he likes to hang out in the world of Tron: Legacy. It takes its visual cues and atmosphere and pairs it with a really stylized cartoon look that gives the show a unique vibe
I’m gonna get made fun of for this (I get it; it’s fine) but “Tron: Legacy” was one of my favorite films of the past decade. I saw it in IMAX on Christmas Day when it came out. I bought the soundtrack via iTunes when that came out. I’ve watched it probably about 20 times now. I really enjoy it. I can’t even say WHY I enjoy it so much (probably all the bright colors because I’m special) but i just really enjoy it. And I really wish/don’t wish there was a sequel to it. (On the fence; it’d probably suck but who knows).
Same here, tron legacy is what inspired me to enter a career in computers. The visuals, the score, everything is damn near perfect and I have not seen a film since that can top tron legacy
Jay nailed it when he said it’s a better Star Wars movie than the new Star Wars movies. I wish it was just a *little* tighter script wise and it would be truly great. Also I just remembered Flynn’s badass line “I’m gonna go knock on the sky and listen to the sound.” His whole techno-jesus vibe was super badass.
i think that shows more of the poor quality of movies in the past decade than anything else
I’ve also loved it since it came out, so I totally feel you. Not one of my favorites now, but when I was younger I loved it and I’d totally rewatch it now
I'm with ya! I think its truly about the experience of seeing it a theater and especially in the IMAX. It does what all movies aim to do and transports you into the story/world.
thank you RLM, for making a chil sunday even better. love you guys
30:55 "Pick a theme and go with it." Totally agree with Jack, here. Modern Hollywood "writers" want their scenes before they want their story. It doesn't work that way. You can't just "Mystery Box" the first two-thirds of a movie and then try to crowbar some "big reveal" into the third act. That's WAY too late in the movie to try to make the audience care because by that point they don't know or care what the stakes are. Write a good story, first. That HAS to be the foundation your movie is built on. You can't just "do a bunch of cool scenes" then try to build a story around that later on.
B-but is harder to write compelling stories man! Why don't I show you this cool scene I thought of and we barf a random story around it?
"This came out like the same year as Blade Runner...?"
Syd Mead designed both movies. Moebius also worked on Tron, and Blade Runner was heavily inspired by Moebius's comic "The Long Tomorrow"
Great to hear your perspectives on these movies together. I do think you misrepresented the original Tron a bit though. The computer world was supposed to look like a video game of the time (not realistic like Bladerunner). Also, I was a little bummed you didn't mention the concept art for the original was done by the famous French illustrator/comic artist Moebius. It may look a bit funny to today's tastes, but if you're familiar with Moebius's work it makes a little more sense.
Moebius!
Damn he was involved in everything back then.
Did Moebius make art for an old side scrolling back in the day?
wow, it is making sense! never knew this somehow
i love primitive looking 3D
@@barrelbarry9940 I actually do too. There's a surprising amount of very early 3d animation on youtube.
RLM: “You can’t get any more blood out of this stone”
Disney: “We are gonna build a Tron rollercoaster at Disney World!”
There is one in japan @Cullan Shine
@@space-cigarettes *Shanghai
@@TorontoJon theres one in shanghai disneyland and it looks cool as fuck
@@TorontoJon They're building one out behind Space Mountain in Orlando.
@@RedHeadKevin Awesome!!
Jay "Blade Runner is boring" Bauman, back at it again
Lol you’d be hard-pressed to convince people it is not a boring movie. But that doesn’t make it bad necessarily
@@frankmerker630
Yup. It's a great work of cinema and at the same time something of a chore to watch.
Yeah, other opinions shouldn't be allowed.
@@hastekulvaati9681 Seriously, it feels like that's most of the comments here
Suffer No Fools I think freedom of speech should be restricted specifically for you and others like you. No other circumstance
Tron looks awesome
Agree.
That's about the long and short of it
It's about family, and that's what's so powerful about it
I must be weird. I loved the first Tron. I have the same feeling about this film that Mike has about Star Trek: The Motion Picture.
No, there’s a lot of comments here and likes from people who loved it when it was released. It was a successful movie on release and got good reviews. These reviewers are just being old curmudgeons to make the new movie look good.
I fucking love ST:TMP. It's my favourite Star Trek film. This comment has convinced me to watch Tron.
@@makasete30 At the time it might have been liked. But lets be honest it's a boring, dated film.
@@Chromeberd I feel the same about ST:TMP. What the guys said at the beginning about TRON i totally get. I remember on at least 3 occasions sitting down to watch it as a kid with friends and after 10 mins we'd go off and do something else for the rest of the afternoon. Yet seemingly 2 or 3 hours later we'd come back inside and the bastard was STILL on. Must be one of those time dillation things as a kid but it just seemed to NEVER END.
The original “Tron” is one of the most audacious and influential pieces of cinema sci-fi ever made. And that’s even WITH it being a box-office flop. Same is true of Blade Runner which came out the same month. The *ideas* it's playing with, for the time, and the way it reifies them...it's incredible for 1982.
When you're talking about the quality of movies from 1982, it's a REALLY high bar. You have to remember some of the other films released in 1982, which overshadow Tron by a mile, especially in modern conversations: Blade Runner, ET, Wrath of Khan, Poltergeist, Officer and a Gentleman, Conan the Barbarian, Creepshow, Dark Crystal, Fast Times at Ridgemont High, First Blood, The Thing, and many others. Tron wasn't nominated for a VFX Oscar, but the nominees were ET, Blade Runner, and Poltergeist. That's a pretty heady group.
@Spit Dragon there was no _Star Wars_ movie released in 1982. _Empire_ was two years earlier, and _Jedi_ was the following year.
ok boomer
@@RedHeadKevin Keep in mind TRONs usage of CGI was considered cheating in 1982, thus deliberately not nominated by the Academy.
@@RedHeadKevin Sigh. Read my post again. I'm not talking about the quality of movies from 1982 qua movies. I'm talking about the IDEAS that Tron presents, most of which were completely new to cinema audiences in 1982. Virtual worlds. Cyberspace. Data weapons. The simulation hypothesis, with users as gods. Tron is a pioneering cyberpunk film two years before Neuromancer came out. It even cemented the word "user" in the culture as the standard term for a computer operator. Most people too young to see it when it came out will have no understanding of this, because they grew up in a world where the ideas it was playing with became part of the cultural landscape.
The soundtrack was composed by someone experienced with synths-Wendy Carlos. A Clockwork Orange(then known as Walter) and The Shining were composed by her.
Someone experienced with synths? You're talking about Wendy fucking Carlos. That's like saying "if only the Jimi Hendrix Experience had a member experienced with guitars."
@@marcmcfinn7470 came here 2 post this - wendy carlos is a legend
"Yeah if only they got John Carpenter"
(Remembers that the intro song to Escape from New York is not nearly as good as cult fans think).
I quite like the score for Tron but perhaps that is because of nostalgia. I think that Carlos did an amazing job.
Them dumping on Wendy Carlos' music is fucking insane.
My experience of seeing Tron was in the movie theater at nine years old. It was one of the most influential movies of my lifetime behind Star Wars. The effects and imagination that went into that film were groundbreaking.
Finally, someone speaking the truth about that Endgame fight scene...
I knew i didn't like it for some reason, but couldn't put my finger on it... yeah, its all brown dirt and looks like crap, that is exactly it. Every other fight at least had a somewhat normal backdrop.
It doesn't look that bad, there are some neat shot (especially at The Assembly) but yeah it's not great either
As for the broader criticism on cinematography Patrick Williams made a video on that, and they pretty much fixed that problem with the Feige administration, after Doctor Strange
Movies like Ragnarok or Infinity War look a lot more vibrant
@@Louie_The_Dago I mean, what's the point of any franchise then? You always know they are going to win. The criticism doesn't really hold up either cause Infinity War they suffer a major and shocking loss
Yeah, I like the movie. And as they said, everything is really clear even though it's chaotic; even though it's "this happened and this happened and then this happened" we know what happened. Compared to some other blockbusters like Transformers where it's like "who did that? Wait how is he there? I know it's robot A vs robot B, but who's winning?" But that final fight scene IS aesthetically ugly. It reminds me of a game that was modded to REMOVE a green/brown filter and the game looked a lot more colorful and interesting.
@@kristoffer8609 but not HOW. That was the mystery.
I saw Tron when it came out in ‘82, and Wendy Carlos’ soundtrack was awesome!
Interesting you picked the one scene with the music where the screeches from the lightcycles almost overrode it. The music when the MCP is destroyed would've been a better pick.
There was also a Tron 2.0 video game in 2003 that felt more of a sequel than Legacy. 👍🏼
That's because the game was based on the script for an actual movie sequel that never happened. In a way, despite the fact that Disney effectively de-canonized Tron 2.0 by releasing Legacy, Tron 2.0 is the true sequel to original Tron :]
Or "Miracle and Magician", which is beautiful.
@@MaxiM_PL Tron legacy is infinitely better tho. And tron uprising is the best piece of tron media.
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Linus would have to pay me to wear something with his logo on it. But I do like the shirt Jack is wearing.
Those LTT shirts are more subtle and tasteful than they have a right to be
Before the original Tron was released, a book version was released. And it must have been based on a previous version of the script. The programs all had very human and often humorous personalities. The only programs who behaved like the ones we see in the movies were the ones in the Yori scene, starved for energy. And the "bits" were very different as well. They could answer in any affirmative or negative phrase. The one I remember was "You betcha!"
They had a more lively, fun movie. And in my opinion, they rewrote it to make everyone more robotic is because the must have thought that the audience wouldn't understand otherwise.
0:38 If at first you don't succeed, Tron, Tron again.
The franchise made for a pretty dope Kingdom Hearts level.
Dude that's all I was thinking about.
And that's what they were going for.
One of my favorite KH levels for sure.
Same thing I was thinking. I was like "it didn't look that bad" when they were talking about how ugly the movie was. And then I realized that I was remembering Kingdom Hearts 2
Kingdom Hearts is an abomination unto the Lord
In Tron Legacy's defense, it did inspire a very decent ride at Shanghai Disneyland
Tron was used well in kindgdom hearts 2. They contextualized the world well within the story. And the polished-up visuals looked really nice on ps2. It goes to show that Tron makes a way better videogame than a movie
I liked both Tron movies, always thought they were both underrated.
You guys have committed a crime. Denying the fantastic ness of TRON is unforgivable.
I saw Tron in the theater as a kid and the impact was tremendous.
I seriously think that Tron is one of those movies that you simply had to see when it came out or else it doesn't work for you. As Jay and Jack said the movie is really dated now and the visuals aren't enough to hold the movie up and the story sure as hell isn't. So one basically has to have that nostalgic wow effect and memory of seeing it when it was actually pretty neat looking to like Tron.
Or at least that is my reading of it as I was really bored with it when I watched it.
I feel you. I saw it in the theater too. It was something completely new and it left an impression. It didn‘t age well though.
@@Paining "didn't age well" means "it sucked".
Flash Gordon 1980 aged well. Because it didn't pretend to be anything other than a balls-out Freddy Mercury cokefest.
@@Pikkabuu Just google "Seinfeld is unfunny". TRON is one of the prime examples - a pioneer that doesn't get the credit because people too young to know better judge it by the standards of the world it influenced so heavily.
@@zimriel It definitely didn't suck then, it sucks now because of the progress that was made. I left theater over 30 years ago and was deeply impressed by the visuals.
This is the first time I've disagreed with RLM so vehemently. The OG Tron is an amazing, underappreciated film. Comparing it to Blade Runner visuals is apples and oranges because of the setting of the two stories. And Wendy Carlos' score is wonderful.
Full Ack. TRON was a wonderfully crafted piece of art that I still enjoy a whole lot. I love the dry atmosphere of it. I would say it does have pacing issues, and a few storytelling issues, though. It is a very simple - perhaps too simple plot, but sometimes less can be more. In this case, I think it worked. It is clearly not a broad-appeal movie so, yeah, many will find it bland, boring, uninspired. I don't. ---------------- However, TRON Legacy, was a bad sequel, saving grace was the soundtrack. The de-aging of Flynn hit the uncanny valley rather badly, and I dislike the plot. It was goofy looking at times, the details on the program bodies were mostly lost, and all that spectacular freedom and liberties taken with physics - the ones that can only BE done in VR - had been ditched in favor of simulated physics and gravity even for the motorbikes. Whereas they were perfectly able to make 45 degree turns on a dime, now they were robbed of these types of freedoms and were, again, constricted by the same rules as in the real world -- Why?! Why would you take the one thing that makes this unique and drop it?
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Well the other thing is Blade Runner heavily relied on matte paintings and models. Stuff that was around in hollywood for a long time. Considering the tech that was available at the time. The fact they could make a movie at all using CGI in 1982. Is pretty fucking amazing. Its worth watching for that alone. Even if its pretty slow paced.
@@Lone432345 RIP Syd Mead
Yeah, many of the sequences look like Syd Mead’s art. The visual design is inspired and transcends ugliness most of the time (of course there are exceptions) but that one beautiful shot when Flynn runs past the two hot smoking babe programs. At that exact moment it’s juxtaposed with them saying how ugly it is. They are so wrong.
I may be clouded by bias, but damn does OG Tron look great.
Tron Uprising was kind of becoming a bit too... Critical if that makes sense. They put it on progressively worse time slots and then removed it altogether. The show was slated to be really successful, although the art style was a bit experiential (making it more appealing to older audiences). Definitely worth a watch as the actor for Tron voices himself and Elijah wood plays Beck, the main character. Lovely show 🥰
Tron Legacy is one of my favorite movies ever. The soundtrack is perfect.
I'm glad they like TRON: Legacy too. I've been saying for a long time that while it's not perfect, it didn't get the recognition it deserved.
RicAdbur it really did kick off this trend of 30 years later movies. Perfected by Blade Runner 2049 btw
David Warner was a great 80s villain: Tron, Time Bandits, Time After Time.
Good call on 'Time After Time.' Pretty good film that you never really hear much about.
How many lights are there?
Lethal Weapon 2
Didn't he get impaled in the omen?
@@kommissar.murphy Patrick Troughton got impaled. Warner was decapitated by a sheet of glass
You just had to be there in 82, as a young teen, seeing this in a theater, high as fuck......This movie was AWESOME!!!!
I'm sincerely glad that I'm not the only one who really liked Tron Legacy
It's interesting that Daft Punk scored Legacy because they started they were inspired by Wendy Carlos to make Random Access Memories. Meanwhile, Wendy composed the original soundtrack.
random access memories was a good album with absolutely no soul in it. which is ironic because you could say its genre is 'soul' and their entire gimmick is that they're robots. i get that they wanted to try something different but its a lot like tron legacy in that they tried to do something new and interesting but didn't really do it for any reason other than 'hey, why not' and it suffers for it greatly. its technically competent and has a strong stylistic vision but it has no emotional direction and thats kind of the core of artistry. people will remember their other 3 albums and the soundtrack to this movie as their accomplishments, but RAM pretty much closed the book on anybody taking electronic artists seriously anymore and its a massive shame. Human After All is probably the most stylistically and emotionally conhesive thing they ever did and they did it in a month in a half in their garage and RAM took like 3 years and had a massive marketing push. i think they lost the connection to what made them great - they stopped being robots trying to be human, and started being humans trying to be robots.
That is actually super interesting! I love learning stuff like this!
fernando snips couldn’t have said it better
@@Cheesemonk3h I get the criticisms but I wouldn't say the album had no soul. I at least could feel their love for the music they grew up with in a lot of the tracks. It was a lot slower paced than I expected, but a ton of the songs grew on me. People in the 70s have often criticized disco and soft rock anthems for sounding commercialized or generic, and yet, these are the songs Thomas and Guy wanted RAM to sound like. Groups like Chic and the Doobie Brothers (who both were called sellouts constantly) were their biggest inspirations. Daft Punk has always been about keeping a certain feeling that is sort of manufactured to begin with. There's a reason they're also huge fans of 60s pop music. One man's trash is another mans treasure. I cannot get into Robot Rock. All of the ideas seemed half baked and the rock element wasn't explored enough for my tastes. I only really liked the singles because they had energy to them and felt alive. The rest are kind of forgettable in my opinion. If you want simple Daft Punk beats done right listen to their solo material from Roule and Crydamoure.
@@t6v4l968 Gorillaz just lost direction because they were always sellouts but the nature of selling mass media changed in the last 15 years to really prevent them from saying anything that wasn't along a very particular line of thinking. Demon days/their self titled felt like they were speaking to a much broader audience than plastic beach yet plastic beach was presenting itself as a more broadly accessible album, and in the same vein as the other things I said, it was stylistically cohesive but emotionally all over the place. I think the same thing about RAM, I can appreciate it for what it is, but what it is is kind of doesn't hit me personally unlike their other work. It's not because it's not good or because they didn't spend effort on it, but because it felt like it was trying to make a statement but ended up making less of one than their previous stuff. the direction they took was different and I can respect that but the light hearted yet pointed direction of their other stuff just isn't there. it doesn't have the things I associate strongly with their older work. It felt like a forced evolution to be 'an acceptable product' rather than a natural progression of their artistry. Both daft punk and Gorillaz. You can call it selling out but I think it's more about the nature of creating a mass market album in the modern media landscape, there's less room for personal statements and more room to take concepts from the public zeitgeist and shove them into your work to please their A&R
Tron and Legacy were my favorite movies as a kid, great memories of my Dad showing me the original.
14:21 What movie was he watching? The vistas do not land? I think they look stunning.