I went with Stop Tech 328 BBK up front and the standard 272's in the rear but with Stop Tech slotted rotors and Akebono 8U0698451F pads in the rear. Stainless steel lines all the way around. This is my daily driver/spirited driving car and let me tell you this brake kit makes all the difference in the world.
I know that EBC changed the backing plates on their pads to prevent the issue of the pads separating. I've been running the Yellowstuff with no issue including track and spirited mountain runs.
Have you pulled them to check the pad compound? It’s common for it to crumble, and I’ve been sent photos of it happening in the last year (not sure when they claim to have revised them)
@@BaunPerformance I had reds on for a while last year and when removed, they were fine, no crumbling etc. The Yellows have been on since Nov and have been removed once, no issues. I will continue to monitor b/c I too have read/seen pictures of the issue you describe. Apparently EBC used glue for the backing then switched to a hook-style backing plate in the last few years - at least that's what I've read. I really dig the Yellows in terms of feel.
I gotta admit, I can't stand the feel of the brakes on my '17 PP GTI. Pedal feel is extremely inconsistent and brake fade occurs surprisingly fast. I strongly suspect that it's due to the fact that they're single-piston floating calipers. It just seems so weird to me because my '97 Eclipse had massively better brakes from the factory despite having smaller hardware all the way around. I have some maintenance to do, so I'm addressing a few things with the brakes while I'm doing that. I'll be flushing the fluid, trying some new pads, cleaning everything up, and doing some minor upgrades like lines. Eventually I'll replace the calipers and probably the rotors, too. I don't want anything necessarily larger than stock, but I would like a nice 2-piece rotor setup. The TTS 4-piston calipers seem like a great upgrade over the PP calipers. My only reservation with those is that they don't have the removable part for easy pad replacement. That's probably the one sticking point I haven't decided upon yet: sacrifice the ease of pad change to save a significant chunk of money on the calipers themselves. But that's far enough down the road for me that I have plenty of time to weigh my options. Rotors and calipers can wait. I've also heard there are some specific adjustments that can be made via VCDS or similar to adjust how the braking operates. I'll have to look into that more deeply.
Porsche Macan calipers seem to be the most popular budget upgrade, which will definitely offer better pedal feel (fixed four piston vs floating single). I personally have StopTech ST40 which I love, but I started with non PP.
Thanks for this video. I can understand that larger brake rotors increase thermal efficiency, what about increased piston area? Is it as important? There are some brake setups with a larger number of pistons, can I assume more pad area, and lighter overall caliper weight which interests me in terms of the benefits of less rotational mass. Thanks again
Even with my ST40 BBK being a solid mounted aluminum four piston caliper the main benefits there are feel and thus added control. Saving weight is cool and all, but with rotating mass the closer to centerline it is the less is matters, so my ultra aluminum hats (center section of the rotor) don’t benefit weight wise as much as you’d think. Knocking 40lbs total off a 3,200 car helps but not to a degree you’ll feel from the drivers seat. The total piston area remains basically the same, it’s just much more precise with four small pistons sharing the load vs one big clumsy one
Great video, thanks! What if you don't track your car and only do spirited Street driving but your car is stage 2+? Can better pads, discs and lines be good enough?
Have you heard much on EBC lately? Was looking at getting stoptech rotors and EBC red stuff but I have heard some poor stuff about EBC, do you know any kits for the nonPP that would have stoptech rotors and pads? I’m not planning on going for a big brake kit as it’s my daily/weekend fun with some very light track use, I will be getting braided lines all around too
Friends don’t let friends buy EBC. Non performance pack brake aren’t up for any track use at all, unless you have race fluid & custom track pads made (requires sending OEM back plates out & big money). I’d say keep OEM blank rotors & StopTech pads. Fresh brake fluid & enjoy it for what it is (a practical & fun daily). No safe way to be track ready without spending more money than 99% of people are willing to spend.
@@BaunPerformance hahaha thanks for the heads up, I’m running Unitronic stage 2 93 with their TCU, I have been looking at a kit from Urotuning that would have stoptech rotors and I’m planning on the stoptech ceramic pads along with neuspeeds braided lines. Think that’s a decent setup? Also if I was going to try and do any track or autocross I’m assuming you recommend a bigger brake setup? Some thing like the Macan brake swap?
Great info, what pads upgrade do you recommend if only driving spirited street driving? For my Golf GTi Clubsport 2017, tuned stage 1. Thanks in advance
I went with Stop Tech 328 BBK up front and the standard 272's in the rear but with Stop Tech slotted rotors and Akebono 8U0698451F pads in the rear. Stainless steel lines all the way around. This is my daily driver/spirited driving car and let me tell you this brake kit makes all the difference in the world.
Great info, have personally experienced ebc crap, thanks Jay.. Was enjoying the info
I can’t tell you how many friends and customers have had bad experiences with EBC. Definitely a downgrade from OEM
You probably just saved me a ton
Thanks for the info!
Thanks for watching!
I know that EBC changed the backing plates on their pads to prevent the issue of the pads separating. I've been running the Yellowstuff with no issue including track and spirited mountain runs.
Have you pulled them to check the pad compound? It’s common for it to crumble, and I’ve been sent photos of it happening in the last year (not sure when they claim to have revised them)
@@BaunPerformance I had reds on for a while last year and when removed, they were fine, no crumbling etc. The Yellows have been on since Nov and have been removed once, no issues. I will continue to monitor b/c I too have read/seen pictures of the issue you describe. Apparently EBC used glue for the backing then switched to a hook-style backing plate in the last few years - at least that's what I've read. I really dig the Yellows in terms of feel.
I gotta admit, I can't stand the feel of the brakes on my '17 PP GTI. Pedal feel is extremely inconsistent and brake fade occurs surprisingly fast. I strongly suspect that it's due to the fact that they're single-piston floating calipers. It just seems so weird to me because my '97 Eclipse had massively better brakes from the factory despite having smaller hardware all the way around.
I have some maintenance to do, so I'm addressing a few things with the brakes while I'm doing that. I'll be flushing the fluid, trying some new pads, cleaning everything up, and doing some minor upgrades like lines. Eventually I'll replace the calipers and probably the rotors, too. I don't want anything necessarily larger than stock, but I would like a nice 2-piece rotor setup.
The TTS 4-piston calipers seem like a great upgrade over the PP calipers. My only reservation with those is that they don't have the removable part for easy pad replacement. That's probably the one sticking point I haven't decided upon yet: sacrifice the ease of pad change to save a significant chunk of money on the calipers themselves. But that's far enough down the road for me that I have plenty of time to weigh my options. Rotors and calipers can wait.
I've also heard there are some specific adjustments that can be made via VCDS or similar to adjust how the braking operates. I'll have to look into that more deeply.
Porsche Macan calipers seem to be the most popular budget upgrade, which will definitely offer better pedal feel (fixed four piston vs floating single).
I personally have StopTech ST40 which I love, but I started with non PP.
Thanks for this video. I can understand that larger brake rotors increase thermal efficiency, what about increased piston area? Is it as important? There are some brake setups with a larger number of pistons, can I assume more pad area, and lighter overall caliper weight which interests me in terms of the benefits of less rotational mass. Thanks again
Even with my ST40 BBK being a solid mounted aluminum four piston caliper the main benefits there are feel and thus added control. Saving weight is cool and all, but with rotating mass the closer to centerline it is the less is matters, so my ultra aluminum hats (center section of the rotor) don’t benefit weight wise as much as you’d think. Knocking 40lbs total off a 3,200 car helps but not to a degree you’ll feel from the drivers seat. The total piston area remains basically the same, it’s just much more precise with four small pistons sharing the load vs one big clumsy one
Great video, thanks! What if you don't track your car and only do spirited Street driving but your car is stage 2+? Can better pads, discs and lines be good enough?
Good pads & fluid. I’d recommend StopTech 309 or if it’s in the budget DS2500
@BaunPerformance thanks, I saw Stoptech offer a 4 Axle Disc, pads and lines pack which looks tempting.
Have you heard much on EBC lately? Was looking at getting stoptech rotors and EBC red stuff but I have heard some poor stuff about EBC, do you know any kits for the nonPP that would have stoptech rotors and pads? I’m not planning on going for a big brake kit as it’s my daily/weekend fun with some very light track use, I will be getting braided lines all around too
Friends don’t let friends buy EBC.
Non performance pack brake aren’t up for any track use at all, unless you have race fluid & custom track pads made (requires sending OEM back plates out & big money).
I’d say keep OEM blank rotors & StopTech pads. Fresh brake fluid & enjoy it for what it is (a practical & fun daily). No safe way to be track ready without spending more money than 99% of people are willing to spend.
@@BaunPerformance hahaha thanks for the heads up, I’m running Unitronic stage 2 93 with their TCU, I have been looking at a kit from Urotuning that would have stoptech rotors and I’m planning on the stoptech ceramic pads along with neuspeeds braided lines. Think that’s a decent setup? Also if I was going to try and do any track or autocross I’m assuming you recommend a bigger brake setup? Some thing like the Macan brake swap?
Great info, what pads upgrade do you recommend if only driving spirited street driving? For my Golf GTi Clubsport 2017, tuned stage 1. Thanks in advance
StopTech 309 are a great street pad, or for about double their price you could go with my favorite so far Ferodo DS2500
@@BaunPerformance Ok, if you would compare to StopTech 308 Performance Street Pads?
@@BaunPerformancewhat discs do you advise ? Brembo ?
First!
Got one!
Thanks for the video!
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