One of my favorites is the subtle twist at the end of 12 Monkeys when you realize that James Cole was never meant to actually stop the apocalypse, but only locate the man who started it. His mission was one of sacrifice from the start
+Da Vidci - Upgrade is 100% horror/Sci-fi. Anyone who tells you otherwise probably doesn't understand the concept of horror. Or they're Daredevil! 🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂
Just in case... 10, Nightmare Alley 09, Primal Fear 08, Repo Men 07, The Prestige 06, Buried 05, Chinatown 04, Gone Girl 03, The Conversation 02, Se7en 01, Oldboy
In the beginning of "The Prestige," Bale does a trick where he makes a bird disappear and reappear. A little boy watching asks, "But what about his brother?" The little boy figured it out and knew that there were two "twin" birds and one had to be killed in order for the trick to work. The twist is given away in the first 10 minutes and it's a child who figures it out. Kind of makes you feel dumb as an adult to realize that you didn't see it coming. LOL
@@FungiRy91 The twist is that Bale had an identical twin brother the entire time, which is literally what the little boy figures out about the bird. Nolan reveals the twist without you even realizing it. That's not a moot point, but thanks for your opinion.
As so many has mentioned, I didn’t expect the twist in “Primal Fear”. I didn’t know anything about the movie beforehand. In many movies and stories you can tell, “oh, there’s a twist coming” from the very beginning almost.
My heart dropped and I thought I was going puke from horrific empathy. Edit- I came back to say I felt the worst horrific empathy where I got light headed AND actually puked : Saw 3 - She got the key in the acid, then...realizing what is going on...🤢...,🤮
The Archbishop deserved what he got in "Primal Fear." People seem to forget that. He was a sexual predator. Aaron/Roy probably could have gotten off anyway. The real problem was that he killed one of the other Archbishop's victims without even thinking about it.
Primal Fear is high up on my list of favorites. I never saw the end twist coming. Which is unusual. Seven was just about perfect. What do you expect with that cast. Where are The Usual Suspects, Frailty?
I honestly do not understand why very few people talk about Frailty. It is such a great film! Paxton did a great job as actor and director. And the twist…
There's a movie I saw many years ago where at first glance it's about a person who can choose to travel between parallel dimensions, and even has a conversation with a woman at a bar where he's describing it and says something like "In one of them, your arm is three inches to the left." There's also a lighthouse across the water with a red blinking light at the top. At the end of the movie it's revealed that he's actually been in a coma the whole time, and the blinking light is the power light on his respirator, which turns off at the movie's end. It's a great twist and I wish I could remember what the movie is called.
The Crying Game should have been #1. Se7en is absolutely a horror movie. Dead Again (1991) has a doozy of a plot twist and a cameo by the late great Robin Williams.
You kind of left of the ending twists to Prestige and Gone Girl as they leave the audience guessing. Prestige: yes High Jackman’s character used clones to do his trick, but the final twist is actually him saying he’s done the trick so many times, he no longer knows if he’s the original or just a clone. Gone Girl: the twist isnt just that she’s pregnant, but whether she’s lying about Ben Affleck is the real father. We see her earlier shacking up with Neil Patrick Harris and he finished in her. And Affleck’s sister in the movie flat out says his wife could be lying about the baby being his, to which he says it doesn’t matter
In Gone Girl, Nick realizes in the end that staying with Amy will not only keep him safe from further danger but will also help him find the success he always craved but never achieved. At the end of the movie, Nick is practically America's most loved husband. Anything he writes is practically guaranteed to become a bestseller. So, do you live in constant fear, or choose an alternate path that gets you security and wealth? I don't know about others, but I'd very likely choose the latter.
@@krishanubanerjee6955 According to my mother they actually left out the best part of the end which is Nick telling Amy he's going to stay with her not out of love but because it will make her miserable, and if he's going to suffer he can at least make sure she does too. Basically pointing out she has created a perfect Hell for them both because neither can leave without facing public condemnation.
The twist to Angier in The Prestige is the clones have all the memories of Angier, so effectively there's no difference between the original Angier and the countless clones created by Tesla's machine.
@@krishanubanerjee6955 I either imagined the scene, or it was a scene included in the extended version they aired on a movie channel, but I recall Nick saying that too, like "Just as miserable."
the thing about Primal Fear is like. (I havent seen it but) If Roy was banking on the fact that he can't be tried for the same murder twice once it was found out he lied, he shouldn't have admitted he lied. Because no, he can't be tried for murder twice, *But he sure as hell can be tried for lying in court*
I can not watch the last scene of Se7en without crying. Brad Pitt played the part so fanatically, it could have been real. His face when he learns she was pregnant just breaks my heart😢
You said DelToro's movie as usual "wasn't afraid to pull its punches". Uh, no. To say someone "pulled punches" means that Instead of hitting with all of their force, the person held back. I think you meant that this film like all of his other films "doesn't pull any punches". I also wouldn't call that ending a twist ending. It was a sad ending, but not unexpected. He was simply resigned to his fate, he went back there knowing they wouldn't turn him away.
I think u missed "the departed", had one of the most shocking endings of all time I think" the butterfly effect" could have been on this list.. Also an old movie called "the game" with Micheal Douglas & Sean Penn
To protect people from potential spoilers, the 10 movies are: #10 Nightmare Alley #9 Primal Fear #8 Repo Men #7 The Prestige #6 Buried #5 Chinatown #4 Gone Girl #3 The Conversation #2 SE7EN #1 Oldboy (2003)
I'd say "Aww, What's in the box!?" is one of the few impressions i can actually do. The others being, "It's a trap" and Vanilla Ice explaining why Ice Ice Baby isn't the same song as Under Pressure
2:46 Dissociative Identity Disorder, not dissociative personality disorder. I think you may be mixing things up because at the time of this movie's release, it was called multiple personality disorder. But there are currently only 6 disorders that are considered personality disorders, and DID isn't one of them
DID is a way to process trauma more than it is a born-with brain disorder. A lot of the research done recently has given more of an insight to exactly what it is and where it comes from, and personality disorder definitely isn’t an apt category to put it in
@ombrenightcores yes. That is what I said. I was correcting the video, where they said dissociative personality disorder. Because it's not a personality disorder. Although I will say most personality disorders come out of severe trauma as well, not as an inherently biological brain condition, so I don't know what you were trying to say with that.
@ I wasn’t combating you, I was giving further context to those reading your comment. I’m actually glad you pointed out the truth about DID as it’s an extremely misunderstood and exploited disorder, often used a shock value in horror rather than a real experience people go through that needs support, not dramatization 😊
@ombrenightcores ah. I completely agree. I feel that it's overuse as a plot device for a shocking reveal in horror really does undermine people taking it seriously in real life.
Taking Lives was another great movie with a big twist! I love Ethin Hawke he's so good in a lot of movies. This was a great list I'd say I've seen maybe half or so.
Saw Nightmare Alley twist coming the moment the Geek is introduced…wasn’t sure how we were getting there…but saw it coming… No 8mm??? That ending sticks with ya…
I would have tried to have put Shutter Island on there as the twist was next level not only did you know something was going on but when it's revealed you are blown away then to see the final ending leaves as heart broken as our two heros.
The Shutter Island twist is insane in the movie, but it’s even more haunting in the book. The main character was way more screwed up and they don’t shy away from just how crazy he was (which probably couldn’t get by censors when making a major motion picture)
Genres aren’t fixed and novels and movies can be in more than one genre. Horror is an especially slippery one to define because what people find horrifying varies.
The thing about Primal Fear is that everyone is/was so dazzled by the reveal that it overshadows the fact that whether he was Aaron or Roy doesn't really matter. He still genuinely has a mental disorder and he still was likely sexually abused as a child and he still murdered a sexual predator. It's not like he's just going to walk free either.
Aaron is going to walk free. He'll go free after the psychiatric doctors decide he's safe to reenter society. That was the sentencing. The horror, of course, is that Aaron is actually a high-functioning psychopath that can fake whatever behavior or personality he likes. He'll go free, and then he'll inevitably murder truly innocent people, as he already did to Linda. Aaron does have a disorder, but it's not what you're thinking of -- the dissociative identity disorder was something he just faked. Aaron has Antisocial Personality Disorder with excellent social-skills, meaning he's a wolf in sheep's clothing. Perhaps the sexual abuse contributed to his psychopathy, or perhaps he was always that way, but murdering Linda proves he's not an avenging anti-hero. There's also the implied possibility that Aaron was a willing accomplice to Rushman's perversion, and that Linda and Alex were their mutual victims. And that Aaron killed Rushman not for revenge, but to tie up a loose end. And also just to enjoy himself. The fact that Aaron killed Linda opens up all of these possibilities.
I mean he may not have DID but he's clearly has some type of mental disorder, whether it's ASPD or something else. And that disorder may have been created or at least exacerbated by the abuse he suffered, so basically it's the same story except unlike a lot of abuse victims, he figured out a way to kill his abuser and get away with it instead of being punished even more. @@Coren999
I had this on in the background, and when he said "Number One: Oldboy," I remembered the first time I found out about the twist and how my jaw just DROPPED. The amount of planning.... just UNBELIEVABLE.
I was disappointed in myself for not figuring out the prestige. I was from the generation who watched the masked magician every week and almost every teleporation trick involves twins. If it's not twins it's an extremely flexible assistant
How do you guys miss the incredibly disturbing ending of Jack Nicholson's The Pledge?! I can't even watch that darn movie anymore! UGH! Great list as always folks!
It's not the most disturbing compared to all films, but it's pretty disturbing given the target audience - that Hector was *poisoned* by his singer/songwriter partner Ernesto in Coco, and that we *see it happen on film.* Like... I mean there's tons of dark stuff in animated family movies, but seeing a guy getting deliberately poisoned to death when he just wants to go home to see his family in a Pixar movie was pretty startling. And it's brutal relative to the target audience - that the wacky skeleton we've seen all movie was murdered and see it happen onscreen?!
I guessed in The Prestige that Borden had a twin brother because in one scene the camera captures Fallon s face in a way which resembled Christian Bale s shape of face seen from the side. The fact that I knew Bale s face so well helped me find this out. It was a shitty thing to guess, but i still enjoyed the film despite finding that out.
Yeah, I was curious why Fallon resembled Christian Bale so much but didn't connect the dots whilst watching it. Also the giveaway scene where Fallon is outside an appartment, then appears inside the locked appartment in the kitchen with a kettle, which was literally impossible for one person to pull off.
What’s really disturbing about the Prestige is that, regardless of whether the clone or the original is the one teleported away when the machine is used, Hugh Jackman’s original character is dead by the end of the film.
It's a bit of a blasphemy to make a non-horror twist list and not include Fight Club and The Usual Suspects. Do agree with the movies on the list I did watch myself, though.
The writer(s)/director of the movie "Repo Men" not only straight jacked the primise from the movie "Repo! The Genetic Opera", but then proceeded to take the *ABSOLUTELY *AWESOME** primise and make a **DISAPPOINTING** and **ABSOLUTELY EMBARRASSING** ripoff of a movie! But....something tells me y'all already knew that 😉.... that is.unless I am reading too much into a "throw away line" But honestly, saying that the "Repo Men'" had a "CRUEL AND THANKLESS JOB" was IMHO, a **GENIUS** way to **SUBTLETY** throw some shade and call out "Repo Men" for ripping off "Repo! The Genetic Opera" by referencing the song from "Repo!" called "THANKLESS JOB" that the "Repo Man"/"Night Surgeon" sings.... But.... If you didnt do it on purpose and/or for that reason, then that has to be one of the **BIGGEST** and most **SPOT ON** coincidences i have **EVER** seen!!
I think the definition of what constitutes a horror movie can become quite subjective. For example, I include Alien and The Terminator in the horror genre. And I've been called out for it. Not that it matters to me; I don't really care for horror. In fact those two are among the exactly four horror movies I like to any degree (along with Kubrick's The Shining and the Westernized version of The Ring). I see no reason for not including Se7en. I've never seen it, but it sounds pretty horrific. Obviously some people will object, but you can't have everything; where would you put it?
I think my definition of a horror film would be: Were you horrified by what happened? I adore genre typical ‘Horror Films’ but also find the horror in plenty of other genres, I’m surprised, as a horror fan, that you get blowback for your choices, Alien is essentially a haunted house film in space, and The Terminator has the ideas of the dystopian future, and predestination added to a relentless monster. That’s horrifying. Horror and Thriller/Suspense have loads of overlap. Se7en is, for me an example of that. I love going over these ideas in genre and themes though!
@@marigold3208 I think a lot of the people I usually deal with take a more shallow approach to their cinema genres. Alien is set in a spaceship, so it must be sci-fi. Imagine how confused they are when I tell them that Star Wars is a fairy tale.
It's a crime thriller. Not really what the majority (including myself) would classify as a conventional "horror" movie per se (apart from the admittedly horrific crimes committed by the serial killer).
what about INCENDIES? NIGHTMARE ALLEY was the same twist as the 1947 version - that one carried into an upbeat ending, but did have Tyrone Power going full geek. Neither movie had Stanton becoming a phoney clergyman instead of an more successful entertainer, but the remake did work in a sudden murder-suicide out of nowhere. The twist re. the Bordens in THE PRESTIGE was pretty obvious given the example of the non-twin doubles; Christoper Priest got round that in the source novel by apparently ruling out the possibilty of twins (while working in a bit of a hint), and wrote a finish that was evocative on the page of an ending far more cinematic than anything in the actual movie.
An Awfully Big Adventure has a pretty disturbing plot twist. Not the mind boggling type of plot twist, but the "oh my god, wtf" lol if you search the trailer, it's pretty deceptive
The original film version of NIGHTMARE ALLEY is a classic - hard to beat Tyrone Power in anything. The novel is even better! THE PRESTIGE is fun, but THE ILLUSIONIST makes more sense (you don't always need a Tesla to create an illusion).
I totally get that you see it as a horror film but I really don't. I would most definitely class it as a psychological thriller. Featuring several graphic crime scenes does not make it a horror film in my mind.
Um, in The Prestige he was killing himself each time. The point was the trick had driven him to madness, and in madness THAT was the only way the trick would work. You even show the scene that proves I'm correct. He stepped into the machine and a clone was produced some distance away. In that scene he killed the clone. However later in the film it is the original that drops into the tank. He was willing to die to win, only for a clone many deaths later would find out that he had a twin. THAT's why The Prestige is an under-appreciated masterpiece; Most people don't even notice or understand this stuff lol
"As is the director's way, wasn't afraid to pull its punches" ?? I dont think you know what that phrase means lol. Pulling a punch = hitting softer than normal.
Yes, Edward Norton and Richard Gere were both fantastic in Primal Fear. I genuinely didn't see the plot twist coming!
I know , when I saw it I said , " Wow that kid is a good actor !!
Same.
I did because I read the book.😁
It was so good didn't expect it and it was like he slipped up on purpose so he could just tell him great movie
Just watched for the nth time.
One of my favorites is the subtle twist at the end of 12 Monkeys when you realize that James Cole was never meant to actually stop the apocalypse, but only locate the man who started it. His mission was one of sacrifice from the start
I'm surprised Upgrade wasn't here, that one had a plot twist so sad and disturbing that it made you wonder if it was actually a horror movie all along
YES! That ending was gut wrenching
It isn't a horror movie?
Upgrade is ABSOLUTELY a horror movie
What was the ending
+Da Vidci - Upgrade is 100% horror/Sci-fi. Anyone who tells you otherwise probably doesn't understand the concept of horror. Or they're Daredevil! 🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂
Just in case...
10, Nightmare Alley
09, Primal Fear
08, Repo Men
07, The Prestige
06, Buried
05, Chinatown
04, Gone Girl
03, The Conversation
02, Se7en
01, Oldboy
Thank you
Thanks!
thank you
In the beginning of "The Prestige," Bale does a trick where he makes a bird disappear and reappear. A little boy watching asks, "But what about his brother?" The little boy figured it out and knew that there were two "twin" birds and one had to be killed in order for the trick to work.
The twist is given away in the first 10 minutes and it's a child who figures it out. Kind of makes you feel dumb as an adult to realize that you didn't see it coming. LOL
A child didn't figure out the twist to film though so your latter comment is moot.
Bale doesn't do that, Michael Caine does.
@James King it wasn't Michael Caine either. It was another magician that Bale was allowed to be an assistant to for the night.
@@jeffsenigma You're right, but the little boy asks Bale the question. My mistake.
@@FungiRy91 The twist is that Bale had an identical twin brother the entire time, which is literally what the little boy figures out about the bird. Nolan reveals the twist without you even realizing it. That's not a moot point, but thanks for your opinion.
Oldboy is such a good movie. The combination of some beutiful cinematography, light comedy, well choreographed fights, twisty plot...so good
As so many has mentioned, I didn’t expect the twist in “Primal Fear”. I didn’t know anything about the movie beforehand. In many movies and stories you can tell, “oh, there’s a twist coming” from the very beginning almost.
Buried's ending was devastating
My heart dropped and I thought I was going puke from horrific empathy.
Edit- I came back to say I felt the worst horrific empathy where I got light headed AND actually puked : Saw 3 - She got the key in the acid, then...realizing what is going on...🤢...,🤮
Primal Fear was an awesome movie. Kudos to Gere and Norton. Seven is a thriller right up to the end. Can watch it on repeat.
The Archbishop deserved what he got in "Primal Fear." People seem to forget that. He was a sexual predator. Aaron/Roy probably could have gotten off anyway. The real problem was that he killed one of the other Archbishop's victims without even thinking about it.
Primal Fear is high up on my list of favorites. I never saw the end twist coming. Which is unusual. Seven was just about perfect. What do you expect with that cast. Where are The Usual Suspects, Frailty?
I wouldn't call "The Usual Suspects"'s ending to be disturbing. Just mind blowing.
I honestly do not understand why very few people talk about Frailty. It is such a great film! Paxton did a great job as actor and director. And the twist…
@@denisebacher5040 I agree. It's another of those near perfect movies.
I fucking loved Frailty never seen that ending coming
There's a movie I saw many years ago where at first glance it's about a person who can choose to travel between parallel dimensions, and even has a conversation with a woman at a bar where he's describing it and says something like "In one of them, your arm is three inches to the left." There's also a lighthouse across the water with a red blinking light at the top. At the end of the movie it's revealed that he's actually been in a coma the whole time, and the blinking light is the power light on his respirator, which turns off at the movie's end. It's a great twist and I wish I could remember what the movie is called.
The Crying Game should have been #1. Se7en is absolutely a horror movie. Dead Again (1991) has a doozy of a plot twist and a cameo by the late great Robin Williams.
"Its a thanksless job?" A homage to the better repo man film
You kind of left of the ending twists to Prestige and Gone Girl as they leave the audience guessing.
Prestige: yes High Jackman’s character used clones to do his trick, but the final twist is actually him saying he’s done the trick so many times, he no longer knows if he’s the original or just a clone.
Gone Girl: the twist isnt just that she’s pregnant, but whether she’s lying about Ben Affleck is the real father. We see her earlier shacking up with Neil Patrick Harris and he finished in her. And Affleck’s sister in the movie flat out says his wife could be lying about the baby being his, to which he says it doesn’t matter
In Gone Girl, Nick realizes in the end that staying with Amy will not only keep him safe from further danger but will also help him find the success he always craved but never achieved. At the end of the movie, Nick is practically America's most loved husband. Anything he writes is practically guaranteed to become a bestseller. So, do you live in constant fear, or choose an alternate path that gets you security and wealth? I don't know about others, but I'd very likely choose the latter.
@@krishanubanerjee6955 According to my mother they actually left out the best part of the end which is Nick telling Amy he's going to stay with her not out of love but because it will make her miserable, and if he's going to suffer he can at least make sure she does too.
Basically pointing out she has created a perfect Hell for them both because neither can leave without facing public condemnation.
@@mousepariah3884 Was that in the book? I haven't read it. 🤔
The twist to Angier in The Prestige is the clones have all the memories of Angier, so effectively there's no difference between the original Angier and the countless clones created by Tesla's machine.
@@krishanubanerjee6955 I either imagined the scene, or it was a scene included in the extended version they aired on a movie channel, but I recall Nick saying that too, like "Just as miserable."
Oh got, Nightmare Alley.... I saw this in theaters and LOVED it.
the thing about Primal Fear is like. (I havent seen it but) If Roy was banking on the fact that he can't be tried for the same murder twice once it was found out he lied, he shouldn't have admitted he lied. Because no, he can't be tried for murder twice, *But he sure as hell can be tried for lying in court*
If they can prove it. The only real proof is that confession and only his lawyer heard it.
He confesses after his sentence is given
@@jadadoerksen2909 yeah but this reveal of perjury should result in a new trial
@@Bluesit32 it should still result in a new trial
@@alexfogal727 No prosecutor would bother with such a flimsy case. The judge would just roll his eyes and dismiss it out of hand.
I can not watch the last scene of Se7en without crying. Brad Pitt played the part so fanatically, it could have been real. His face when he learns she was pregnant just breaks my heart😢
You said DelToro's movie as usual "wasn't afraid to pull its punches". Uh, no. To say someone "pulled punches" means that Instead of hitting with all of their force, the person held back. I think you meant that this film like all of his other films "doesn't pull any punches". I also wouldn't call that ending a twist ending. It was a sad ending, but not unexpected. He was simply resigned to his fate, he went back there knowing they wouldn't turn him away.
So happy to see this - now I don't have to post to explain it.
I think u missed "the departed", had one of the most shocking endings of all time
I think" the butterfly effect" could have been on this list..
Also an old movie called "the game" with Micheal Douglas & Sean Penn
To protect people from potential spoilers, the 10 movies are:
#10 Nightmare Alley
#9 Primal Fear
#8 Repo Men
#7 The Prestige
#6 Buried
#5 Chinatown
#4 Gone Girl
#3 The Conversation
#2 SE7EN
#1 Oldboy (2003)
Thanks , wish more people would do this for these kind of videos .
I wish I could watch Priminal Fear again without knowing the ending so good
The movie Prisoners 2015 with Hugh Jackman was a great psychological thriller.
Wasn't Jake Gyllenhaal also in it, playing a cop named Loki? 🤔🤔🤔
@@krishanubanerjee6955 yes, jake Gyllenhal was the lead detective in that film.
I'd say "Aww, What's in the box!?" is one of the few impressions i can actually do. The others being, "It's a trap" and Vanilla Ice explaining why Ice Ice Baby isn't the same song as Under Pressure
Gere and Norton were phenomenal in Primal Fear. Ome of my fave movies of all time
2:46 Dissociative Identity Disorder, not dissociative personality disorder.
I think you may be mixing things up because at the time of this movie's release, it was called multiple personality disorder.
But there are currently only 6 disorders that are considered personality disorders, and DID isn't one of them
DID is a way to process trauma more than it is a born-with brain disorder. A lot of the research done recently has given more of an insight to exactly what it is and where it comes from, and personality disorder definitely isn’t an apt category to put it in
@ombrenightcores yes. That is what I said.
I was correcting the video, where they said dissociative personality disorder.
Because it's not a personality disorder.
Although I will say most personality disorders come out of severe trauma as well, not as an inherently biological brain condition, so I don't know what you were trying to say with that.
@ I wasn’t combating you, I was giving further context to those reading your comment. I’m actually glad you pointed out the truth about DID as it’s an extremely misunderstood and exploited disorder, often used a shock value in horror rather than a real experience people go through that needs support, not dramatization 😊
@ombrenightcores ah. I completely agree. I feel that it's overuse as a plot device for a shocking reveal in horror really does undermine people taking it seriously in real life.
Taking Lives was another great movie with a big twist! I love Ethin Hawke he's so good in a lot of movies. This was a great list I'd say I've seen maybe half or so.
Pretty much saw that one coming
How is Atonement not on this list?? That ending shook me.
100% it's one of the best and most shocking twists ever, and it makes the name of the movie have several layers of meaning.
@@TheREALTiPPiDa right. I couldn't even look at Soiarsa Ronen or Vanessa Redgrave for a while after this movie.
Bruh Buried was horrifying....that ending had me like...god no. Gone Girl had me wanting to fight
Clem is played by Willem Defoe in nightmare alley, that’s Tim Blake Nelson as a new ringleader the character meets
Saw Nightmare Alley twist coming the moment the Geek is introduced…wasn’t sure how we were getting there…but saw it coming…
No 8mm??? That ending sticks with ya…
Dang, Edward Norton's acting in that movie! I watched it only once, but I still remember how picture-perfect the changes were done. Brilliant.
I would have tried to have put Shutter Island on there as the twist was next level not only did you know something was going on but when it's revealed you are blown away then to see the final ending leaves as heart broken as our two heros.
Shutter Island is a true masterpiece. Leo deserved an Oscar for that role.
The Shutter Island twist is insane in the movie, but it’s even more haunting in the book. The main character was way more screwed up and they don’t shy away from just how crazy he was (which probably couldn’t get by censors when making a major motion picture)
Genres aren’t fixed and novels and movies can be in more than one genre. Horror is an especially slippery one to define because what people find horrifying varies.
The thing about Primal Fear is that everyone is/was so dazzled by the reveal that it overshadows the fact that whether he was Aaron or Roy doesn't really matter. He still genuinely has a mental disorder and he still was likely sexually abused as a child and he still murdered a sexual predator. It's not like he's just going to walk free either.
I believe he didn’t actually have the disorder, but played it instead.
Aaron is going to walk free. He'll go free after the psychiatric doctors decide he's safe to reenter society. That was the sentencing.
The horror, of course, is that Aaron is actually a high-functioning psychopath that can fake whatever behavior or personality he likes. He'll go free, and then he'll inevitably murder truly innocent people, as he already did to Linda.
Aaron does have a disorder, but it's not what you're thinking of -- the dissociative identity disorder was something he just faked. Aaron has Antisocial Personality Disorder with excellent social-skills, meaning he's a wolf in sheep's clothing. Perhaps the sexual abuse contributed to his psychopathy, or perhaps he was always that way, but murdering Linda proves he's not an avenging anti-hero.
There's also the implied possibility that Aaron was a willing accomplice to Rushman's perversion, and that Linda and Alex were their mutual victims. And that Aaron killed Rushman not for revenge, but to tie up a loose end. And also just to enjoy himself. The fact that Aaron killed Linda opens up all of these possibilities.
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I mean he may not have DID but he's clearly has some type of mental disorder, whether it's ASPD or something else. And that disorder may have been created or at least exacerbated by the abuse he suffered, so basically it's the same story except unlike a lot of abuse victims, he figured out a way to kill his abuser and get away with it instead of being punished even more. @@Coren999
I had this on in the background, and when he said "Number One: Oldboy," I remembered the first time I found out about the twist and how my jaw just DROPPED. The amount of planning.... just UNBELIEVABLE.
The Usual Suspects, Frailty and Shutter Island?
The Life of David Gale had a twist at the end that blew me away.
I was disappointed in myself for not figuring out the prestige. I was from the generation who watched the masked magician every week and almost every teleporation trick involves twins.
If it's not twins it's an extremely flexible assistant
buried was such a heartbreak ending
How do you guys miss the incredibly disturbing ending of Jack Nicholson's The Pledge?! I can't even watch that darn movie anymore! UGH! Great list as always folks!
I kinda guessed the twist of Primal Fear, especially when Ed Norton was the actor. I watched it after Fight Club though.
No Way Out, The Crying Game, Fight Club
I think Identity should have been on the list.
People sleep on Arlington Road with Tim Robbins and Jeff Bridges. Great ending!!
Villeneuve's "Incendies"
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I’m surprised ’Ravenous’ (1999) movie wasn’t on this list.
It’s my favorite suspense featuring a twist within another twist film of all time.
It's not the most disturbing compared to all films, but it's pretty disturbing given the target audience - that Hector was *poisoned* by his singer/songwriter partner Ernesto in Coco, and that we *see it happen on film.* Like... I mean there's tons of dark stuff in animated family movies, but seeing a guy getting deliberately poisoned to death when he just wants to go home to see his family in a Pixar movie was pretty startling. And it's brutal relative to the target audience - that the wacky skeleton we've seen all movie was murdered and see it happen onscreen?!
Thrillers are a subcategory of horror. There are multiple movies on this list that are horror.
I guessed in The Prestige that Borden had a twin brother because in one scene the camera captures Fallon s face in a way which resembled Christian Bale s shape of face seen from the side. The fact that I knew Bale s face so well helped me find this out. It was a shitty thing to guess, but i still enjoyed the film despite finding that out.
Yeah, I was curious why Fallon resembled Christian Bale so much but didn't connect the dots whilst watching it.
Also the giveaway scene where Fallon is outside an appartment, then appears inside the locked appartment in the kitchen with a kettle, which was literally impossible for one person to pull off.
The twist in Dead Again is top tier. A reincarnation twist. Pretty epic 😎
Primal Fear is so good and underrated in my opinion.
Dude in The Box, the last Seven Deadly Sin is Pride😂🤦🏼♀️
@3:40, was that an intentional nod to ‘It’s A Thankless Job’ from Repo: The Genetic Opera, or just an absurd coincidence?
What’s really disturbing about the Prestige is that, regardless of whether the clone or the original is the one teleported away when the machine is used, Hugh Jackman’s original character is dead by the end of the film.
The seven twist crushed me when I watched it, I enjoyed that movie. But was never able to watch it again now that I knew the twist.
It's a bit of a blasphemy to make a non-horror twist list and not include Fight Club and The Usual Suspects. Do agree with the movies on the list I did watch myself, though.
Gone Baby Gone is a good addition to this list.
11: Luke being a grumpy old man who tried to murder his nephew in his sleep instead of being a Jedi Master, The Last Jedi
God get over it, the original trilogy was goofy as fuck, Hamill himself has said this 😂 stop taking star wars so seriously, it's never been that
The writer(s)/director of the movie "Repo Men" not only straight jacked the primise from the movie "Repo! The Genetic Opera", but then proceeded to take the *ABSOLUTELY *AWESOME** primise and make a **DISAPPOINTING** and
**ABSOLUTELY EMBARRASSING** ripoff of a movie!
But....something tells me y'all already knew that 😉.... that is.unless I am reading too much into a "throw away line"
But honestly, saying that the "Repo Men'" had a "CRUEL AND THANKLESS JOB" was IMHO, a **GENIUS** way to **SUBTLETY** throw some shade and call out "Repo Men" for ripping off "Repo! The Genetic Opera" by referencing the song from "Repo!" called "THANKLESS JOB" that the "Repo Man"/"Night Surgeon" sings....
But....
If you didnt do it on purpose and/or for that reason, then that has to be one of the **BIGGEST** and most **SPOT ON** coincidences i have **EVER** seen!!
I was absolutely mad at Primal Fear!!!!!!!! It was genius BUT HOW DARE THEM!!!!! And Nightmare alley just got me so sad I ignore its existence.
Immediately knew Old Boy would be #1!!!
I think the definition of what constitutes a horror movie can become quite subjective. For example, I include Alien and The Terminator in the horror genre. And I've been called out for it. Not that it matters to me; I don't really care for horror. In fact those two are among the exactly four horror movies I like to any degree (along with Kubrick's The Shining and the Westernized version of The Ring).
I see no reason for not including Se7en. I've never seen it, but it sounds pretty horrific.
Obviously some people will object, but you can't have everything; where would you put it?
I think my definition of a horror film would be: Were you horrified by what happened? I adore genre typical ‘Horror Films’ but also find the horror in plenty of other genres, I’m surprised, as a horror fan, that you get blowback for your choices, Alien is essentially a haunted house film in space, and The Terminator has the ideas of the dystopian future, and predestination added to a relentless monster. That’s horrifying. Horror and Thriller/Suspense have loads of overlap. Se7en is, for me an example of that. I love going over these ideas in genre and themes though!
@@marigold3208 I think a lot of the people I usually deal with take a more shallow approach to their cinema genres. Alien is set in a spaceship, so it must be sci-fi. Imagine how confused they are when I tell them that Star Wars is a fairy tale.
I continue to insist Oldboy is a horror
@@ourladyofperpetualskepticism Against my better judgement, I saw that film. Definitely horror.
It's a crime thriller. Not really what the majority (including myself) would classify as a conventional "horror" movie per se (apart from the admittedly horrific crimes committed by the serial killer).
Seven is 100% a horror film. What a ridiculous notion to suggest otherwise.
You forgot Presumed Innocent with Harrison Ford. Great twist.
Buried is one movie I can never watch again. The ending broke me.
At least Josh admitted they throw non-horror movies in these lists all the time.
BURIED shocked me,I'm still not over it😥😥 also...NO "UPGRADE"?!!!!
what about INCENDIES?
NIGHTMARE ALLEY was the same twist as the 1947 version - that one carried into an upbeat ending, but did have Tyrone Power going full geek. Neither movie had Stanton becoming a phoney clergyman instead of an more successful entertainer, but the remake did work in a sudden murder-suicide out of nowhere.
The twist re. the Bordens in THE PRESTIGE was pretty obvious given the example of the non-twin doubles; Christoper Priest got round that in the source novel by apparently ruling out the possibilty of twins (while working in a bit of a hint), and wrote a finish that was evocative on the page of an ending far more cinematic than anything in the actual movie.
You gotta do a voice for “what’s in the box” and “no wire hangers”
All your videos in the last week were really good! 😘
Nightmare Alley is a remake of a 1947 Tyrone Power movie. The ending is heavier then in the 2020 version. Both were excellent.
4:04 - "Owl Creek Bridge", anyone...?
I bought a ice cream maker and on the side it says "whats in the box" so now my husband and i do that impression whenever we walk by it
I really wanted to see the ending of Swimming With Sharks on here. That was an ending I did not see coming.
GWYNETH'S HEAD: Buy Gloop
BRAD PITT: (screaming)
I was sad Frailty wasn’t on the list.
Personally, I saw the twist in Gone Girl straight away. Poorly constructed crime scene.
Primal Fear was great! I still can't get over Seven - some things go too far!
I’ve always been so pissed at myself that I never finished the prestige before finding out about the twist 😩
Nightmare Alley was great! Very very upsetting. A stays-with-you-for-days film.
You missed the amazing Sharp Objects, creepiest twist at the very end
It is funny how they change the genre based on if they want to force something onto a list.
I don’t know, I’d class Buried as a Horror film!
An Awfully Big Adventure has a pretty disturbing plot twist. Not the mind boggling type of plot twist, but the "oh my god, wtf" lol if you search the trailer, it's pretty deceptive
Repo Men basically copied Brazil, so I think Brazil should’ve been here instead.
If you're doing foreign films, what about Diabolique?
You know that exact same thing happens in the non-Guillermo del Toro , original version of Nightmare Alley as well, right?
The original film version of NIGHTMARE ALLEY is a classic - hard to beat Tyrone Power in anything. The novel is even better! THE PRESTIGE is fun, but THE ILLUSIONIST makes more sense (you don't always need a Tesla to create an illusion).
Se7en is definitely a horror movie.
I totally get that you see it as a horror film but I really don't. I would most definitely class it as a psychological thriller. Featuring several graphic crime scenes does not make it a horror film in my mind.
nice slip in with the song words from repo the genetic opera for repo men
"Wasn't afraid to pull his punches" ...pulling your punches means to punch with less intensity.
Nightmare Alley is a remake of an actual classic, so maybe recommend that one.
I now know all the twists in the movies list, no need to watch them😂
Um, in The Prestige he was killing himself each time. The point was the trick had driven him to madness, and in madness THAT was the only way the trick would work. You even show the scene that proves I'm correct. He stepped into the machine and a clone was produced some distance away. In that scene he killed the clone. However later in the film it is the original that drops into the tank. He was willing to die to win, only for a clone many deaths later would find out that he had a twin. THAT's why The Prestige is an under-appreciated masterpiece; Most people don't even notice or understand this stuff lol
Prince of Tides has a horrifying plot twist and it’s no where near a horror movie
"As is the director's way, wasn't afraid to pull its punches" ?? I dont think you know what that phrase means lol. Pulling a punch = hitting softer than normal.
What was the film in the opening with the toilet full of blood?
Buried is far too underrated. My favorite Ryan Reynolds film.
Surprised this list doesn't have more 70's scifi...seems like all of it was dystopian downer endings that made the whole movie feel bleak