Remember that infamous interview of Alex Kurtzman, where he blatantly stated that he doesn't care about things like canon or even telling engaging stories, but see's Star Trek more as a ''vessel" to promote various sociopolitical issues, that he cared about? Yeah, that worked out fine...
The thing that killed Star Trek was the death of the positivity. It was twisted toward the dark and multiple shades of grey. Go back to the og or generations and there was a feeling of hope. A golden age future.
Exactly this. Dark, bleak cause thats the mainstream "realism". And on a parallel line, the DC franchise especially superman (man of steel) suffered from the same shitty fate. Cause yeah, we are already depressed in our daily lives, why the fuck not get depressed watching the 15 year old crybabies in star trek discovery?
During lockdown some friends and I started rewatching TNG and DS9, and both shows addressed important issues about race, religion, identify, friendship, honour, war, terrorism, bigotry and it never once felt like they were talking down to the audience or ramming messages down our throats. Trek used to be about what it means to be human, warts and all, and it boldly went there with characters that were not perfect and that’s why we loved them. Trek died years ago.
I totally agree with you. All the previous Star Trek shows addressed a lot of those issues without it being rammed down your throat. I loved it. I love re-watching the old Star Trek. I can’t stand the new Star Trek. It’s something is off. It’s too many millennials and GenZ writers. It just doesn’t feel like the real Star Trek. And I’m dreading Star Trek section 31. I can tolerate some episodes of Star Trek strange new world. But I truly truly hate it episode where it was a musical.
1968 at thirteen I saw the first episode of Star Trek, and man, I dearly wanted a communicator! A Tri-corder! A talking computer! A Transporter! Still waiting on the transporter...
@@chrisnicholson3231 Ya you left it in the holodeck..........again. I went in for some target practice and blew a hole in the wall. The captain will probably be contacting you shortly after the chief of security figures out who it belonged to.
4:30. Became a US Navy officer in no small part due to Star Trek, and in my career was stationed on a USCG icebreaker deployed to Antarctica. A ship headed off to explore the treacherous unknown, science, exploration, defense, all in one. Was living the Trek dream.
Man, I would of stayed in another 4 years just to be able to to earn that Antarctic Service Ribbon. Never saw a single Airman anywhere at any base with one. Alas, not many A-10 avionic specialists needed in Antarctica.
Ironically Star Trek died because it forgot "THE MESSAGE", no not that message but the message of the world Gene Roddenberry wanted to create. He had grown up in the depression, flew Bombers during WW2 and created Star Trek during the Cold War. The Show wasn't action and Good vs Evil but about how in the future all humans (and some Aliens) can stand together for what is good and just. It had strongly developed characters who were flawed but relied on each other to do what was right. This inspired real people to want to be a part of that future. Today none of that is true and so long as THE MESSAGE of Star Trek is dead than so will be the fan base.
Definitely. Out of all the entire properties of the entire world, Star Trek was the most popular utopian outlook for the future. If you take a look at the last 99 science fiction movies that came out, 98 will be dystopian. And our current late stage capitalism world become the same dystopias shown in the likes of Blade Runner. It was so vital and refreshing to have a upbeat vision of the future, which particularly can be more inspiring to the youth watching it. Dystopias are not nearly as inspiring, and at best, just confirm 'ya the world sorta sucks'.
Ironically, the death of ST was exactly due to the original socialist programming baked into Gene's visionary works. Socialism sounds great on paper, (or film), but when you put it into practice, it always turns into a disaster. And THAT is what happened to ST. They hired socialists.
I'm among those who know just how badly the real Star Trek message has been betrayed. The whole idea of og ST, TNG, and even DS9 and STV was to inspire people with a vision of the future in which humanity has its sh&^ together and sets a good example for others. But, noooo. We can't have that. Young people are apparently forbidden to see any vision of the future that isn't misanthropic and nihilistic.
According to this video (because I don't care enough to do the research myself right now), it's canon to the Kelvin Timeline, which is... a kind of canon. I mean, the Star Trek Online game uses the Kelvin Timeline once in a while when doing a time related plot, but the Discovery related things in that game are generally much better written than the show is.
Apathetic, don't care. But if I did, I'd say Lower Decks is about the least important Trek out there and dropping some sort of pseudo 5 second canon "fix" in there is hardly noteworthy, much less earth-shattering...
I agree, and feel so sad what they did to Star Trek, when i was a little girl my dad used to watch Star Trek with me, it had emotional impact. It had a message, it brought one to dream and think. Now it feels only like they throw crybabys at us with no real story aside from doing checkmarks for DEI. I want the old TNG feeling back.
Same, so when Discovery started, I was excited to watch it with my kids...YOUZA...So disappointed. NOT a family show. I email CBS, which is the sort of thing I never do, over how disappointed I was. They didn't care. I was not the target audience, although who that was I have no idea.
My first memory is when I was 3 years old and watched the TNG series premier with my mom. I loved it more than anything I had ever seen before and have been a trekkie ever since (only Trek ended for me in the 90s).
I did enjoy Lower Decks, as it wasn't afraid to take the mickey out of so many recurring plots, plus who could not enjoy a multiverse ship crewed by a whole bunch of Harry Kim's 😂 Everything else though 😢
@Ihavethetouch I know, that's what I want. Disney threw out the EU, which they seemed to hate while appropriating it out of context, and replaced it with their garbage. You associate the EU with Disney, I do not. They lost that privilege long ago as they spit on legacy fans.
Yeah but then you gotta see Simon Peg(ging)'s version of Scotty, whining about how they all didn't sign up to be in a military when they joined STAR FLEET and went to the academy, no thanks.
The best part about the Kelvin Timeline is that it's "the Kelvin Timeline"... it's free to do whatever it wants without it affecting "real Trek". Which I hoped Discovery would end up being just the same.
I was one of those that was inspired by Bones and Scotty. Wound up becoming an engineer and a doctor. Thank you DeForest Kelley and James Doohan. You inspired a generation.
I grew up watching the original series in the ‘60s in Australia. TOS not only inspired me to go into tech, code I wrote for a Star Trek game for myself was later repurposed and eventually led to me being hired by a US company and moved to the States. Trek has been a foundation for my entire life. So to write that I have been deeply disappointed and angered by the recent Trek series is a massive understatement.
I just want to say congratulations Drinker!!! I’ve been subscribed since like 10k subs. I’m so glad that you made it, bro. You deserve it. And you never changed who you are. Congrats, man. Go away now.
I did that to Amazon's ROP. I won't ever complain about Tolkein's works, but the way they portray his stories in movies.....go choke on raw fish, Hollywood.
Yeah, no kidding. As an old ST fan, I can say that the Drinker nailed my reaction in the beginning of the video. I was like, "wait, this thing was still going?" And I mean, not just me, I'm on a forum where people discuss pretty much everything including movies and series. We've had threads dedicated to season 6 of some series (e.g., Lucifer). We even had a thread about season 2 of Rings Of Power, if you can imagine. Star Trek? Pretty much nobody was talking about any of those series after the first half of the first season. And Prodigy never even got a mention. (And I for one learn right now that Prodigy even ever existed.) I mean, ST went from some of us debating the merits and faults of even Enterprise's last season, to, yeah, "wait, Discovery is still running?" And yeah, that's when you know that it's a dead horse. Might as well stop flogging it, it's not going anywhere.
I remembered that advice when I was in competitions and was sick of constantly feeling like I was being crapped on. "Be afraid when they stop saying anything at all. It means you're not worth dealing with or improving."
Perhaps this is the worst way beloved franchises die. Not with a bang and raging into that good night, but forgotten and left to whimper in silence as those who loved it walk away from it's defilement.
@@maxmazzotti6651 perhaps so, but I would prefer if these franchises are given their final resting place. Today's certain 'creators' do not appreciate what is given to them by the creators of old and will gleefully ruin a creation in order to flex on their political opposition.
So, I wasnt a Trekkie when I was younger; my dad showed me Star Wars first, and ST felt pretty dry in comparison to lightsabers. I've since watched TOS and thoroughly enjoy that, still need to find a way to watch TNG (never got the "you can't like both SW and ST" thing people used to push when they were both at their most popular). But SW was definitely the biggest thing for me and this is exactly what I'm feeling....but it's like a weird, kind of painful "apathy". I think ST fans are at least lucky in that every RUclipsr in existence doesn't remind them that the corpse of their franchise is being desecrated every time a new show drops. 😂
Star Trek helped me and my father connect in the weirdest way. When i was young, we had a naughty chair in the corner of the living room and most nights i would be sat in it. Around 7pm my father would watch Next Generation, at first i didnt like it, i knew nothing of sci fi and didnt understand it, but as time went on i started to really get into it and started speculating about characters and stories with my old man to the point we would forget why i was in the chair to begin with, it became a thing we watched together regardless. It was the first time my father and i had anything in common. Star Trek will always have a place in my heart. Even if it has got lost in the Delta Quadron and never returns, i knew ye well.
@jonny-b4954 Thats awesome to hear, we started watching stargate aswell and he had the original VHS with Kurt Russel. SG-1 was a great show and O'Neil was a legend. 🍻 To Sci Fi Fathers.
@@jonny-b4954 I never thought I would be so glad that the Stargate franchise is dead than looking at current day media. I can only imagine how bad they would have ruined the SG-1 continuity with those godawful modern writers.
My dad introduced me to TNG when I was a little girl. I think it must have been in reruns at the time. He was a kid when TOS came out and was a huge Trekkie. I fell in love with TNG and it led me to TOS, Voyager, Enterprise, and DS9. Even Enterprise wasn't horrible compared to today's ST trash. I've watched parts of the new stuff and none of it understands the point of ST, and is all about ✨️the message✨️...
Dad and I had a Star Trek bond. We weren't very much alike for the first 35 or so yrs of my life. Have you become him yet? I was really surprised when I realized at 50 that I was my father's son. He's gone, and I can't tell him.
My thoughts exactly. They were a triumvirate. Spock was the logical, rational head, McCoy was the emotional heart, and Kirk was in the middle trying to balance the two.
Best recommendation on 'Star Trek' for young persons: Check out the two Nicholas Meyer movies - Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan AND Star Trek VII: 'The Undiscovered Country.' They're both decent classics
@@TheHumanRanger That's an understatement. What he produced is completely shallow, doesn't connect to the source lore, doesn't contribute anything of value to the lore either.
What I won't forgive them for - what I CAN'T forgive them for is taking one of the most influential worlds of my formative years, and making me indifferent to anything new taking place in it, or even dreading such bad stories.
Yeah luckily George Lucas raped my childhood before Peter Jackson and JJ Abrams tagged in. After watching Phantom Menace four times in the theater to be sure I wasn't hallucinating it, everything that happened afterward was just what was happening.
The worst part about the NuTrek is the irreparable damage it caused to the Memory Alpha Wiki as it's mediocre lore wormed it's way into every major event or existing character. The canon at this point is a disgusting amalgam of original Trek stories combined with clowny and pretentious NuTrek bull.
@@Undy1 And this is the other thing. These "sequels" and "soft reboots" just never seem to stay in their own lane. Instead of building on the canon that came before, they (read: the hacks writing them) feel the need to displace and re-contextualize everything that came before them.
@@bunnywithakeyboard7628 Crazy seeing it was very feminist with female second in command, female engineer better than man they first hired, and River smarter than her doctor brother, and yes a sex worker depicted as making valid points. Obedient idiot like pilot whose wife wore the pants and Jayne a toxic idiot too. BTW, captain lost the war. I liked it till that all dawned on me.
Old Guy here. I was born the year after the original series started. I like almost every episode of strange new worlds. But yes, the more I had Michael Burnham forced at me, I lost interest in watching Discovery. WOKE crap wears thin quickly when it feels forced.
@peterthx His point is that the last remaining member of the original crew said the creator wouldn't agree with where the shows are now. That's pretty obvious. You can argue about what it's worth, but it is a point.
Amazing how execs looked at the Star Trek trilogy and thought "Yeah, let's do that but for Star Wars, a show where canon actually matters and the fanbase isn't used to spacetime nonsense"
I love the classic cannon, my dad raised me on the OG, TNG, and DS9. Gonna be honest tho, I don't think tht Abrams trilogy deserved the hate that it got, it's just a different thing, kinda like that RoboCop reboot, you can't compare it to the Paul Verhoven tour de force because it's just a different animal and only shares a name.
Classic Star Trek was made by people who lived through and in some cases even fought in the darkest days of the 20th century and wanted to show a future that humanity could and should achieve to show we can do better. Modern Star Trek is written by people with black hearts that think everyone else is just as heinous as they are and can't comprehend people can be better than they are.
"For the world is hollow and I have touched the sky!" Star Trek was glorious. I loved it more than I can say. It was instrumental in taking Science Fiction and making it a genre for adult human beings. I was 16 when the first Star Trek first aired. I felt all alone in my love for the show. It was a special day and a very special show. "I'm from Iowa, I just work in outer space." But it's gone now and I will always have my memories but it's dead, Jim. "He's dead, Jim"
If we went back 20 years to when Enterprise ended, and you told me they were going to make a Section 31 show starring the lady from Tomorrow Never Dies and Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, I'd have been ecstatic. Now the idea just makes me groan.
"Star Trek" died the moment Jar Jar Abrams, destroyer of franchises, and his hellspawn from Bad Reboot got their grubby little hands on it. Since then it has been a painful spiralling into the abyss. Kurtzman and the rest of these creative lemmings are just like the grave robbers digging up the corpse and desecrating it.
Yes. To think how delighted I was at the time: the guy who was making shows I was really enjoying like Alias and Lost and would go on to make Fringe and Person of Interest would be tackling Star Trek! It seemed like a great fit. It's like he burst a blood vessel when he became a movie director and everything he touched subsequently turned to crap! Then again, much of the output of his production company started well, but ended up limping to the finish line!
And he's also destroying Star Wars with Rise of The Skywalker. The Force Awakens wasn't a bad movie, it had a potential. If only he was directing The Last Jedi instead gave it to Rian Johnson, the sequel trilogy would be good. All of the lores from TFA got wasted in the last 2 movies. So, JJ Abrams is the killer of Star Wars and Star Trek franchise.
@@margarethmichelina5146 TFA is a soft reboot, or as OP put it, "Bad Reboot", of A New Hope. Those are a sign of creative bankruptcy and not potential. "[Evil] can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own." - J. R. R. Tolkien
Next Generation fanboy here (yes, I'm that old). Discovery was a horrendous nightmare for me as I wanted to love the series. I hope it has a grave as I want to piss on it.
The thing I hated about Discovery was that it was solely focused on Michael Burnham and didn’t give any of the other characters the spotlight. I only watched it for Spock and he barely got any screen time. It was all about Michael…The only good thing about Discovery was how it sort of fixed the failed pilot episode and got me interested in Captain Pike’s story and Strange New Worlds. Other than that Discovery can bite it along with Michael Burnham.
True, I've never once used any quote or reference to Modern Trek. I have, however, ended a conference call with "That's all I've got for today, go away now." Face it, you're not memorable because you're popular. You're popular because you're memorable.
In fairness, I've used a few. Mainly the ones with f-bombs I heard during my horror watch of STD back when it's 1st season appeared. As examples of how they totally didn't get, and likely actively disliked Star Trek, then switched it off and never watched any of their garbage again.
There’s only one way to bring Star Trek back. Make it about exploration. The action is not even secondary. It’s not supposed to be. It’s simply a consequence of going into uncharted territory; and that’s only very rarely. these are doctors and scientists. They are supposed to represent the absolute best of humanity. It’s about trekking and exploring and learning. It’s about taking theories and ideas from the real world And presenting it in a way that creates possibility. They haven’t done that in almost 21 years.
The reason _Star Trek: The Motion Picture_ is one of my all-time favorite science fiction movies is because it's all about exploring the unknown and solving a problem not with weapons and combat but intelligence and logic.
I 100% agree with the Drinker here. as someone on the wrong side of 40, I remember being excited to watch DS9, TNG and yes even Voyager. The world's in those shows felt big, the good guys were upbeat and their cause felt right. The bad guys were logical to their own ends. When I watched the Jar Jar Abrams movies, they felt... off, not quite right. The world building felt dark and brutal, the characters were conflicted and yet somehow still fairly one dimensional. For me personally, when I found out Simon Peg was going to play the role of Scotty, I just kinda walked away from all things Star Trek. Honestly that was the last thing in the franchise I watched. To the Drinker's point I sort of forgot they were still making content, Picard was the only show I was temped to watch, but if I was being honest, it would only be to see my second favorite Captain (Sisko being first) back in the chair. But when I saw they had made him out as a sad old man, I decided I'd be better off remembering him the way I left him in TNG.
Abrams stated he was more of a star wars fan than a Trek fan, and it showed in his Trek movies. He tried to bridge the 2 franchises and failed at both. If those movies wouldn't have had the Trek name on them, they would have made decent sci-fi movies.
@@bscar All Abrams did was copy what was there. SW's he just remade a New Hope and with ST he just remade the Wrath of Khan. Worse yet all he would have had to do is use any other person on Kahn's ship and could have done the whole movie around them and at the very end when putting him back in the Botany Bay just walked by Kahn's sleeper bed. Kirk didn't know about the ship and was not there (in the hospital) when they put him back in and sent it on its way so Kirk could have run across it later not knowing anything about it and the time line could have stayed (almost) true. During the trip the person used in the move could have been one of Khans crew that didn't make it through the trip. All lose ends tied up.
I had a friend with a business degree tell me about a class in flops he had to take. In short, he said, businesses that make changes old customers hate have two choices. One is to say we're sorry, we fumbled, we'll put things back. The other is to count on more new customers to replace the lost customers and grow the brand. The second choice, he said, almost never works out, but CEO types are always convinced they'll beat the odds. The ones who surround themselves with people who'll tell them they won't are the ones who can change course, please the old customers, and survive.
I remember watching the first season and thinking it was kind of ok, not very Trekky but I had an open mind. I intended to give it another go when Season 2 came around but could never work up the interest to do so. Reading some of the developments of later seasons it was the right call.
I grew up on TOS reruns and TNG debuted my freshmen year of high school. You couldn't escape the reach of Trek in those days-- even my "normie" friends knew when "All Good Things" was airing as the TNG finale. The release of Star Trek 6 in theaters was hyped in the media as a pretty big deal-- an event film that bid a fond farewell to a group of cultural icons. Deep Space 9 was pretty regular viewing during my college years for a lot of my friends and even Voyager made an impression. Now... I hear NOTHING about Trek. There are no more films, the series that do come out generate ZERO chatter, and the scattered merch I do see fails to sell. It's sad to see the franchise die like this but, I think Dr. McCoy would put it best: "It's dead, Jim."
That's really not fair. The media landscape has changed so much in the intervening years, with on-demand & streaming and everything. Even the biggest series now only reach a fraction of the audience a Cheers, Seinfeld or Frasier would get. That's not to say I don't have huge issues with STD, but you have to consider them on their own merit, in their contemporary marketspace.
While I would generally agree, both Strange New World (which especially in S1 felt like "a return to the olden days, but in 4K!") and Picard S3 were very nice watches. And very much Star Trek. Comments here have also convinced me to give Lower Decks a shot. I avoided it after STD, which despite three attempts to try, I have never gotten further than mid S1.
Lower Decks, despite being a cartoon, has far more love for actual Star Trek than any of the ones Kurtzman was involved in. I'd honestly put it above Voyager.
As a lifelong Trek fan I can swear that in the past 2-3 years I've watched one episode of Strange New Worlds, no other current trek, but have rewatched Wrath of Khan, a few fan-made RUclips shorts, and rewatched the entire Battlestar Galactica 2004 series. I'll dig up Babylon 5 before I watch any of this stuff. Thank you Drinker for telling it like it is. It's sad, that's what it is. I mean how do these companies do so much damage to Star Trek, Star Wars, and Marvel's 50+ year history so quickly!
I miss REAL Trek. You can only watch DS9 on it's loop so many times in a row. All this New era garbage is painful and it's shallow dei garbage actually hurts my soul.
They will have to break the diversity barrier and create a show that includes every race, ethnicity, gender, and body type so every person feels represented. The new Star Trek series will have a budget of billions and a cast of thousands flying around in the USS Diversity enforcing the Federation's new Prime Directive of bringing DEI to backwards planets.
Classic Star Trek genuinely contributed to me now becoming an officer in the US Navy. Obviously, there isn't much left to explore on earth these days, but the ideas of pushing the boundaries of what is possible and trying to greater understand the world around us, combined with the dedication and commitment that comes with being a military leader appealed to me ever since I was a little kid. Hornblower also played a big part in that, probably the biggest, but Star Trek also had a pretty big impact on me
Same here. Well, tos and TNG. Found Hornblower just before commissioning. Can't say much more other than "ditto", you nailed my thoughts exactly. For those still kinda "eh" on Enterprise, watch some A&E Horatio Hornblower, or Master & Commander, THEN listen to Archer's Theme (the original intro song for that show), and then watch Enterprise. It'll change your paradigm a little.
We still have the Classics. A local channel in my area still plays them back to back every single night. They must be getting viewers because this particular channel has been playing them for years now.
I realize that i don't need any of the crap. That I have no obligation to pay attention to the garbage of the past 9 years just because it parasitically attached itself to things I love. I've accumulated enough high quality books, T.V. shows, courses, games, vacation spots, restaurants, recipes, music play-lists, etc, that I don't ever need to to put up with anything "new". These idiot can shit on everything good to their heart's content; it means nothing to me.
I hear that Paramount plus has some new Star Trek stuff, but I have no way to confirm those rumors since nobody seems to have Paramount +, possibly for fear of catching an STD
@@ki5aok Drinker is wrong, I heard about it. Also wrong about the group, DS9 fans know it damn well. Me included. I'm kinda curious about that product so I'd probably pirate it. :D
Strange new worlds. It's actually pretty decent, a prequel to the OG tv show the lead gives more than a nod to William Shatners Kirk. Obviously too many girlboss women but the storylines are pretty true to the original spirit, mostly. Only new series I could stomach tbh.
@@TheCNYMike -- no they have not. Also, no one cares. Most of the IP is dead these days... except Deadpool and Guardians. If the executives and producers had any sense, they would have fired themselves a long time ago. I suppose their egos prevented all that. pathetic, really. Many of us used to care. We used to spend time and money on these things. No longer. Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic and others are far more entertaining pointing out Hollyweird's and Pedowood's downfall.
@@drx1xym154 🤣This is the gazillionth video I have seen in the past two weeks incorrectly(!) claiming that Lower Decks de-canonized Discovery and/or removed it from the prime timeline. This will probably be the 6,777th comment. That's a lot of effort for people who are apathetic.
I used to devour all things trek for my entire life. Even though the quality was already declining with voyager and enterprise, id still watch it because it was faithfully done with obvious love for keeping the world building consistant. The moment 2009 came around and i saw Vulcan implode i realized this was now just nothing more than a corporation that wanted to IP mine. I watched 1 episode of discovery, laughed at the silly waterbear jump drive, checked out and Picard season 3 didnt tempt me back. Im actually thankful that it helped me learn that everything has its time and at some point you have to let it go. Nothing they ever do now will ever tempt me back because once you sh1t the bed it's a bed that no one wants to sleep in anymore.
I felt like Enterprise captured what that era would have been like. Archer felt more like an old school cowboy captain. Sort of like a prototype Kirk which makes sense given the timeline.
@@FatphobeforLifedude I hate that!! If you think back to pre 2009, Vulcans doing or saying something human particularly a comedic joke, was done SO infrequently that when it did happen it was rare and unique and had an emotional impact because hey look! These Vulcans have mastered their control of emotion and don't ever show it. But then with Discovery, their Vulcans are modern, very simpish and very emo. The only effort they give to the modern Vulcans is to give them a "serious monotone voice" but they can't even keep us convinced of that!! Ughhh sad sad...
That recent fan film with Shatner cgi. Was the first Star Trek in a long time that moved something in me. It’s a farewell video anyways. It was nice seeing Kirk and Spock together again. 🖖 Live long and prosper my friends.
To be fair, og fans knew about section 31 long before the show was a thought in anyones head because it was the backstory of one of DS9's more memorable villains
The key word there being villain. 30 years ago the shadowy government organization that acted outside the law and outside of accepted morality was the villain. Today the people making star trek view them as the heroes, worth of their own movie.
@@khatdubell correct but the premise brought about by Drinker was that nobody would know what Section 31 is nor heard of it. It's been a part of classic Trek for quite a while now.
@@stevoc9930 If he did then that would pertain to pretty much every single storyline from all the series except the movie and one of the newer Trek movies had Section 31 play a pretty pivotal role with their version of "Kahn".
My high school buddies and I started watching Star Trek when it came out in reruns in the mid-70's. I had a '68 Impala Super Sport at the time. Across the bottom of the speedometer I applied a silver punch tape that read from "Impulse" at 0 mph to "Warp Speed" at the 120 mph mark. Strange how often I buried the needle past "Warp Speed." ;-) God, I loved both that car and Star Trek. I went into Mechanical Engineering, in no small part due to Jimmy Doohan's, Montgomery Scott. RIP Star Trek 1966 - 2005. I miss you.
My older brother, who is 23, just binged the original show, Next Generation, and all the related films. He has had an absolute blast with them. He's now interested in Voyager and Deep Space Nine. He has definitely become a Trekie. I myself have gotten a little interested myself. Wrath of Khan is now one of my favorite sci-fi films. It is sad to see how such an iconic IP is fading into existence, because people nowdays truly don't know how much it has shaped our culture.
I didn't love Enterprise, but it did have its moments, and I enjoyed it. I wish that it had gotten a fifth season, it felt like it was hitting its stride in Season 4.
I remember going to see star trek nemesis opening night. There was 4 people in the movie with me. 2 were my friends that like TNG. Star trek been dead for awhile
Lower Decks gets better and better as it goes, and it brings back a LOT from the TNG/Original/DS9/Voyager era. Just... start the series on episode 3. The first two episodes are bad.
This speaks to my fandom apathy. My love for Star Trek is undiminished and I hope someday it will be revived with its energy and message restored. However, I am glad to see Discovery go, and I am not watching any of the other shows now. Nail on the head.
When I was young, Star Wars, Star Trek, and Lord of the Rings all had large rabid fanbases. Now it's hard to find anyone who is even mildly annoyed when they announce some new terrible project in any of those IPs - the corporate-induced apathy goes that deep.
It's not apathy at all. It's not keeping something special. Let's say you ate your favorite meal everyday for a week. Would you still want it the next week? Seinfeld is the only tv show in history to go off the air with the highest ratings ever in the series. Jerry Seinfeld wanted to end the show after 9 seasons with the fans still loving the show.
The LOTR fanbase is still fighting in the trenches. Rings of Power and Girlbossing the Rohirrim got some scathing backlash despite the mainstream media machine Pr campaigns. Trek, on the other hand? We've had so many terrible shows and movies that most of us have simply given up on more Trek. We just rewatch what we have.
I remember watching TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise with my dad when I was growing up. When Discovery was announced I was excited and curious to see how they'd bridge the time between Enterprise and TOS. The first episode left me disappointed and scratching my head. My dad however dropped off immediately I watched the rest of the season with my friend and it felt like it was improving and then immediately dropped off in terms of writing. We even called the overarching plot of S2 by the end of the second episode. Honestly this whole thing just feels like wasted potential. Dad doesn't even care about Star Trek anymore because of it. The excitement is gone for us with Star Trek and that just makes me sad.
should see if he gets into strange new worlds. i tried discovery and it was always meh. I tried to get over the bug looking klingons and just noped the hell out in the end. No idea why they felt they had to redo the design. they worked ever since that first star trek movie. they are like the creature from the black lagoon the costume works and never needed to be changed. they are that iconic.
@@criticalchaiIm not anything until they 100% change. A good way to show us they mean well is getting rid of KK. If Disney does that, it would tell me things are changing across the board in Hollywood.
@@criticalchai SNW does try to recapture the magic of TOS in the first season. I've yet to watch S2 of it, however it still feels a little hit or miss, like something is missing but I cant place what.
Star Trek died years ago. And I as a fan mourned the death of a good friend. It was a tragedy. But then came the time to move on, find purpose and hope in life again and the fans of Star Trek did. We lost a friend but we moved on because that is something we need to do. Goodbye Star Trek I loved you so much but I need to manage without you and I will.
@@grantorino2325Try rewatching it. I hated it when I first saw it, but it's much better as an adult and that last season was one of the best - right up with DS9.
This is how culturally significant Star Trek used to be in a broad, mainstream sense - here in the UK, we used to have Star Trek showing at prime time multiple days of the week on the BBC. I think Voyager was possibly Tuesdays, TNG was Wednesdays, DS9 Thursdays? To put this into perspective for the Americans in the audience - we had 4 channels in the 90s, growing into a whopping 5 channels before the digital switchover. 4 channels... and for three days of the week, Star Trek was dinner-time TV for one of those 4 channels. Incidentally, "Section 31" still tickles me as both a Star Trek and Babylon 5 fan - the blatant plagiarism reached its lazy peak there. Babylon 5? Shadowy, clandestine organisation called Bureau 13. Paramount were like, ooh, let's use that! What should we do? I know, let's swap the numbers around!
I can remember "Star Trek" being on once a week on RTE in Ireland back in the 1970s. You dare not miss it, because there was no repeat, there were no fan magazines covering the plot. If you missed it, it was gone forever, and you were one sad panda. I gravitated to the Spock/Scotty end of the spectrum and took a degree in applied physics and electronics, with my first job being with DEC, debugging DHU-11 boards (RS-232 boards for the UNIBUS, for all you geezers). "Star Trek" had me hand-building my own 6502-based micro-computer when I was about 15. That was the effect it had.
If Trek ever wants to be on the map again it needs their seal of approval. They grew up when Star Trek was in its prime. To us who are younger we were fortunate to binge it on streaming services as our first time being exposed to it. But they had to wait every week for a new episode of Picard and his crew. And if they missed it they missed it. Star Trek was an event
I grew up obsessed with TNG and DS9. I can still name all the races, technology, characters, alliances, quote Captain Picard, etc, and I haven't watched it in 30-odd years. That's how memorable and impactful it was. All of the stuff shown here.... I didn't even know any of it existed until watching this video. Star Trek didn't die, it was killed by the modern era of nothingness.
I used to be able to name any random TNG episode just from a 5 second clip on TV. I don't know if I still can as it's been a long time since I've watched TNG all the way through, but that's how impactful and unique each episode is.
I'm an older big fan. I rewatch TNG, ds9 and voyager. I watch nothing new. It all sucks. im so done with new trek. I tried discovery when it first came out and hated it. I'd kill for a normal series. But thats not something I hope for anymore.
Understanding the existing series and the target major crowd is a must. Remasters would have been cheaper yet better way to make money like those music CDs.
Agreed on the remasters! It's a shame everyone bought into the "remastered TNG didn't make any money" narrative. Between physical sales, streaming and broadcast rights, and futue-proofing the content to ensure it remains relevant, the investment they put into the remasters will make the studio profit, if it hasn't already. Likely far more than the 6-8 million dollars set on fire every episode for streaming series that very few people watch and will be forgotten by the majority of people who are even aware they exist.
@@radagast83 Even I know not everybody has internet, making hard offline content copies great. The players and formats just need to be better by design for long-lasting use and storage.
@@danielhenderson8316 yeah, when we now have people making movie-quality CGI in their bedrooms that beats what's being done in the latest ST shows, it's astonishing to think that they couldn't redo the effects for Voyager and DS9 these days seamlessly. It'd still be an ambitious multi-year project just due to there being hundreds of episodes, but look at stuff like JTVFX or NeonVisual on youtube and what they've done with zero budget, CBS needs to pull their finger out.
No its not a draw. Its close, but Star Wars is WAaaaaaay worse. Its had more movies with higher budgets all being badly received by its original fan base. Its had far more flop tv series at high budgets too. Trek had wins with Picard Season 3 and some of Strange New Worlds. Picard season 3 is what they could have been doing from the off. The only thing in Star Wars that even broke through slightly to a none fan audience was Mandalorian Season 1 and 2. Everything else has been a total fail. In Andors case it was ok, to good, but no one watched. Mando season 3 ruined, Fett season ruined. Kenobi, ruined. Acolyte an utter joke and axed, and Ahsoka and Skeleton crew ignored. Skeleton Crew is not really Star Wars either, its Goonies in space, and no matter how well thought of it may be in some quarters, its still got a small audience and its only getting good write ups as its not the manure pile of Acolyte...its hardly a win. Trek has spent and wasted less money, and had one well paid film at the box office back in 2009....To be fair though it stalled badly after that and came to nothing. The sequel trilogy of Star Wars was utter dross in all areas, even though it took money it took less and less each time and cost more and more...I am betting Andor season 2 is ok, like the first one, but once again no one will show....
@Simon-xc5oy As much as I agree with you, it's not fair to call anything Star Wars a "flop" if it made profit - which it did. Solo is the _only_ Star Wars thing that hasn't turned a profit in the franchise's entire run.
I'm joining the US Navy to be a Submarine Crewman. A large reason I wanted to serve in the Navy is because of how much I love the 60s and 90s Star Trek shows, and Starfleet reminds me alot of the Navy. Sadly, the Space Force doesn't have the Starship Enterprise in its fleet just yet, so until then, Submarine crew sounds good to me.
Every word said from 3:55 on is 100% correct. Trek was Roddenberry's magnum opus: a bold, optimistic outlook for humanity's future that inspired and uplifted, thrilled and excited, and encouraged thousands of people to pursue careers in science and medicine thanks to its influence. Modern Trek is a heap of absolute rubbish that has shamelessly laid waste to a once-brilliant franchise. Thanks for the this awesomely poignant video, Drinker.
In Discovery, when the main protangonist girl-boss went rogue the first time and received a relative slap on the wrist, I thought, "Ok, normally she would be serverely disciplined, but let's see what happens." Then, she did it again, and WORSE than the first time, and received an accomodation not a well-deserved court martial?! Wait, what? Nope, I'm out...and I never looked back.
In S1, when Michael (the "girl-boss") mutinied and started the war with the Klingons, she was sentenced to life. Lorca managed to get her sprung to the Discovery for his own reasons. At the end, she talked the Federation down from an atrocity and stopped the war. Her record was expunged. You don't have to like it, but it wouldn't kill you to get the facts right.
@TheCNYMike Oh come one! I'm not giving a play-by-play of exactly how the events took place. I mean, really?! My point is that in Star Trek, they are supposed to be in the future military. If you break the rules, no matter what your intensions, you get the appropriate military dicipline. Starting a war IS a violation of numerous regulations and is an immediate court martial. Then you get thrown into the brig for a very long time. If Lorca HAD followed the regulations as he vowed to do as an officer, he would have locked her up, not sprung her! There's nothing believable in Lorca's actions other than to keep Michael moving to the next episode and make him look weak. Of course it was story contrivancy. You say she "talked the Federation down"? That would never happen in a military. The superior officers would make that decision WITHOUT HER. LOL! She didn't have the rank or authority to do any of it! That's my point! She was supposedly rewarded for her sociopathic, independent, disrespectful, dishonest, and militarily illegal behavior? Not in any reality that I know of. It was all completely unbelievable and insufferable contrivancy. So how about you go be a TV show critic somewhere else?
@@PuissantPeacock S2 Ep1 "Amok Time." Kirk violated a direct order when he took Spock to Vulcan. The only reason he didn't get in trouble was T'Pau called in some favors. Star Trek III and IV: Kirk stole the Enterprise in violation of orders from Starfleet. Ended up blowing it up. But after saving Earth by traveling into the past and retrieving two whales to talk to a space probe,* all charges were dropped except for disobeying orders. The "penalty" was being demoted to captain and given command of the Enterprise-A. (The again, the damn thing practically fell apart after they left spacedock and half the doors wouldn't open, so maybe it was a punishment [Star Trek V]) "The Menagerie" Spock risked the death penalty by hijacking the Enterprise and taking Captain Pike to Talos IV. He wasn't executed because the Talosians also left Starfleet know what had happened. Star Trek: Insurrection: Picard violated direct orders from an admiral, whose orders had come from the Federation Council, and interfered with the effort to relocate the Ba'Ku. I guess the council changed its mind because he was still in command of the Enterprise in Nemesis. You were saying? *And when you summarize them like that, they sound pretty bad. Imagine if RUclips had existed in 1986. Oh, boy!
@@TheCNYMike Do you even know what the word "contrivancy" means? Your arguments are about a FICTIONAL TV show. That means the writers manipulate the story so that they can make the next episode. Get it? No? Ok, I'll explain. This is a FICTIONAL military and it obviously doesn't opperate in any form of reality so that the characters can break regulations without any real consequences, an unreality, a contrivancy, and is insufferable, unbelievable, and unwatchable. Didn't you realize that as you were typing that word salad out that the plots of the past Star Trek episodes you quote are nearly identical to the Discovery episodes? It's the same old contrivancies! There's nothing new here to argue Mike. I have a feeling you're related to either Harry Dunn or Lloyd Christmas so, bye Mike! Thank you for participating.
The baffling thing to me is just how much money Paramount has poured into Kurtzman’s hands to make Str Trek a moneymaker for them and how he’s consistently driven fans away. And yet, they keep giving him MORE money. It’s like the worst case of “Sunk Cost Fallacy” I’ve ever seen: this gazillion dollar an episode series is finally going to bring the fans back! No! THIS gazillion dollars an episode series is going to bring the fans back! Now, I can’t even find Star Trek models at my local model store. I think the only place the franchise has anything like actual life is in Star Trek Online.
On the opposite end of the spectrum, Nicholas Meyer is supposedly making a "podcast" play that's a prequel to Wrath of Khan... not sure if I wanna be optimistic, but it's about as low budget as Star Trek has been in decades and he always says art thrives on restrictions. Though who was really asking for a Khan: Life In the Desert of Ceti Alpha V beats me.
They've managed to so thoroughly violate the corpse of Star Trek that people who were once die-hard fans just no longer care about anything that happens with it. Congratulations!
Lower Decks is the only one that DIDN'T do that, funnily enough. What started as Rick and Morty Trek became an actual good series with true character development and hope and optimism, like the classic series everyone loves. Yeah, I know. I'm shocked too. >.> Just skip episodes 1 and 2 of the series. Those are bad.
There might be other holdouts like me. Perhaps in numbers much greater than anyone would believe. I suspect there are, those who bailed at the first slight whiff of mind-rot contamination, after being burned at the theater. I have only seen clips of the desecration. I abandoned all the big franchises very early into the age of the woke taint. Positive I'm not the only one.
@@StickySyrupEverywhere Heck, I abandoned Star Trek after the new movies. The first was "turn off your brain and go with it" okay, but Star Trek Into Darkness was a complete trainwreck. I admit that I went into this one with trepidation because I wasn't a huge fan of the first, but the number of mistakes too large to ignore - just in the first several minutes of the movie - completely put me off. I've never even bothered watching the third of the new movies.
I miss the feelings Star Trek used to give me. I pine for the days of Picard playing his flute in a Jefferies tube, Worf singing Opera on the Defiant, or even Data trying to whistle. The episode of Picard living out a lifetime while stuck in a probe for 25 minutes is a feeling I fear Star Trek will never give me again. I still get choked up at the end when he reaches for the non-existent turbolift door button.
I started watching TNG in March 2023. After watching 7 episodes in a row, I thought it wasn’t worth ruining the series by binge-watching it, so I decided to watch one episode on Saturdays and one on Sundays. As of today, I’m on season 7, with 10 episodes left to finish it. Both in 2023 and 2024, it’s been one of the best things I’ve watched.
JJ Abrams is good at making flashy movies that make money, but that secretly ignore everything the franchises stand for, that also become albatrosses in the long run.
This and in 2009 when the new movie came out I remember thinking wtf! ships now sound like StarWars, they had changed the StarTrek sound. That stupid detail was the writing on the wall for me and then I knew StarTrek was done.
I’m one of those old people you talked about. I watched the original series as the episodes aired. We were still watching reruns of the original series en mass in the common room of my college dorm and everyone would say, “He’s dead, Jim,” along with Bones. For us boomers, it was the characters we loved and still love - and the stories. Anybody attempting to revive or perpetuate a beloved show from a bygone era must do this with reverence for the original. Really cool green screen effects don’t cut it. It’s the characters. That’s all I’ve got for you today.,.. 😜
I'm a little older - 50 (in a couple of days! Eek!) I'm old enough to remember when there was one Star Trek live action TV show, one animated series and one movie (the cinema was full when I went to try to see STII, age 7, with my aunt!) I grew up loving the original series, anxiously awaited each movie, read lots of the novels and novelisations and was thrilled when a new series was announced. I'll never love TNG as much as the originals and I've been critical of Berman and co in the past, but modern Star Trek has shown Berman and his team got more right than wrong! Picard Season 3 has been the only gleam of redemption in the last 20 years of Star Trek. It was at that moment that I realised just how fond I'd become of the Next Generation crew and that I must buy the Blu-rays.
"Nobody gives a shit about it any more." This could be said about Star Wars at this point as well. Both franchises were embedded in pop culture, and the quest for corporate profits and identity politics effectively ruined both.
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Remember that infamous interview of Alex Kurtzman, where he blatantly stated that he doesn't care about things like canon or even telling engaging stories, but see's Star Trek more as a ''vessel" to promote various sociopolitical issues, that he cared about?
Yeah, that worked out fine...
That last name sums it up
Even if he cared about writing good stories, I doubt he has the ability to write them.
Explains why he never even bothered writing any proper story for Bayformers
hey, at least he's honest. they all think it but few of them say it.
And yet he got paid millions and millions, lives a life of luxury and cares 0 about anyone opinions.
The thing that killed Star Trek was the death of the positivity. It was twisted toward the dark and multiple shades of grey.
Go back to the og or generations and there was a feeling of hope. A golden age future.
There was always a life lesson in Next Generation. Definitely my favorite series.
Agree whole heartedly! Inspired what we, as a species, could archive. Heck, they even delved into the moral implications of their actions.
Reflects a society constantly at war with no moral center
Agreed, they had the mirror darkly alternate universe but even that kind of got stupid during Enterprise with the crew saluting like Nazis.
Exactly this. Dark, bleak cause thats the mainstream "realism". And on a parallel line, the DC franchise especially superman (man of steel) suffered from the same shitty fate. Cause yeah, we are already depressed in our daily lives, why the fuck not get depressed watching the 15 year old crybabies in star trek discovery?
During lockdown some friends and I started rewatching TNG and DS9, and both shows addressed important issues about race, religion, identify, friendship, honour, war, terrorism, bigotry and it never once felt like they were talking down to the audience or ramming messages down our throats. Trek used to be about what it means to be human, warts and all, and it boldly went there with characters that were not perfect and that’s why we loved them. Trek died years ago.
Great comment.
The new shows are made by lesser creators.
They have zero to say
I totally agree with you. All the previous Star Trek shows addressed a lot of those issues without it being rammed down your throat. I loved it. I love re-watching the old Star Trek. I can’t stand the new Star Trek. It’s something is off. It’s too many millennials and GenZ writers. It just doesn’t feel like the real Star Trek. And I’m dreading Star Trek section 31. I can tolerate some episodes of Star Trek strange new world. But I truly truly hate it episode where it was a musical.
You mean the Red Angel story arc didn’t compare? 😂😂😂
@@Bow-to-the-absurd Activists, they're made by activists.
where is a message in strange new world?
1968 at thirteen I saw the first episode of Star Trek, and man, I dearly wanted a communicator! A Tri-corder! A talking computer! A Transporter! Still waiting on the transporter...
Has anyone seen my phaser? I swear, I just had it a moment ago...
@@chrisnicholson3231 Ya you left it in the holodeck..........again. I went in for some target practice and blew a hole in the wall. The captain will probably be contacting you shortly after the chief of security figures out who it belonged to.
4:30. Became a US Navy officer in no small part due to Star Trek, and in my career was stationed on a USCG icebreaker deployed to Antarctica. A ship headed off to explore the treacherous unknown, science, exploration, defense, all in one. Was living the Trek dream.
Utter respect, well done.
Than you for your service sir. God bless.
Man, I would of stayed in another 4 years just to be able to to earn that Antarctic Service Ribbon. Never saw a single Airman anywhere at any base with one. Alas, not many A-10 avionic specialists needed in Antarctica.
On the uss Boaty McBoatface
@@makeitsonumberone1358lol, sadly it was a 40 year old ship....more like the USS floaty-on-spare-parts😄
"So this is how Star Trek dies. With a silent whimper..."
-Senator Padme Tatiana
Epic comment. Nice 😂
Pad me Senator Tatiana!
Tatiana got tired of ending everything with a bang.
New Star Trek stuff came out?! Why didn't they tell anybody?
Why so many death stars? Why are they connected by wire from smallest to the biggest wit a ring at the end?
Oh... 😏
Ironically Star Trek died because it forgot "THE MESSAGE", no not that message but the message of the world Gene Roddenberry wanted to create. He had grown up in the depression, flew Bombers during WW2 and created Star Trek during the Cold War. The Show wasn't action and Good vs Evil but about how in the future all humans (and some Aliens) can stand together for what is good and just. It had strongly developed characters who were flawed but relied on each other to do what was right. This inspired real people to want to be a part of that future. Today none of that is true and so long as THE MESSAGE of Star Trek is dead than so will be the fan base.
Lower Decks does this pretty well.
@ptonpc 😂 you must have seen a different Lower Decks than me...
Definitely. Out of all the entire properties of the entire world, Star Trek was the most popular utopian outlook for the future. If you take a look at the last 99 science fiction movies that came out, 98 will be dystopian. And our current late stage capitalism world become the same dystopias shown in the likes of Blade Runner. It was so vital and refreshing to have a upbeat vision of the future, which particularly can be more inspiring to the youth watching it. Dystopias are not nearly as inspiring, and at best, just confirm 'ya the world sorta sucks'.
Best summon up that far! Thanks for that!
Now we "just" need the right people in Hollywood to read it... :P
Ironically, the death of ST was exactly due to the original socialist programming baked into Gene's visionary works.
Socialism sounds great on paper, (or film), but when you put it into practice, it always turns into a disaster. And THAT is what happened to ST. They hired socialists.
I'm among those who know just how badly the real Star Trek message has been betrayed. The whole idea of og ST, TNG, and even DS9 and STV was to inspire people with a vision of the future in which humanity has its sh&^ together and sets a good example for others. But, noooo. We can't have that. Young people are apparently forbidden to see any vision of the future that isn't misanthropic and nihilistic.
A telling truth about society
"Shaka...when the walls fell.." 😢😢😢
He who was my companion through adventure and hardship is gone forever.
"Darmok and Jalad on the Ocean"
"Soketh, his eyes uncovered."
Darmonk and Jalad at Tanagra
@@Colin_ Damn man, remembering that gave me chills
Voyager apologist here, it’s still 1000% better than any of the new star treks we’ve gotten
When Voyager was good, it was great. Just like TNG, it had a bumpy start IMO.
It's easily better than Neu-Trek.
Voyager and Enterprise have good moments, but they're the weakest of the old Trek.
The first season of Voy was rough and I didn't like Janeway until she cut her hair.
Voyager was excellent.
Except for one episode, and you know which one I'm speaking of.
At one point we had Voyager, DS9, and the First Contact film all at once... We flew too close to the sun...
DS9 was the peak of Stark Trek it was all downhill after that
@@Sigismund-von-Luxembourg Yep, 93/94 when we actually had TNG & DS9 on TV at the same time.
Those were the glory days for Trek. The franchise started slipping after DS9 ended.
I think we had a glimmer of hope with Picard S3, then Kurtzman got jealous and basically booted Terry Matalas out of the franchise.
@@MaxwellMax It slipped the day Voyager was greenlighted.
So discovery isn't canon anymore?
I feel a disturbance in the force, as if a million voices suddenly cried out, in relief
According to this video (because I don't care enough to do the research myself right now), it's canon to the Kelvin Timeline, which is... a kind of canon. I mean, the Star Trek Online game uses the Kelvin Timeline once in a while when doing a time related plot, but the Discovery related things in that game are generally much better written than the show is.
@JerichoDeath that's good enough for me
It's the equivalent of the goatee universe.
The suck universe.
@planescaped where it belongs lol
Apathetic, don't care. But if I did, I'd say Lower Decks is about the least important Trek out there and dropping some sort of pseudo 5 second canon "fix" in there is hardly noteworthy, much less earth-shattering...
I agree, and feel so sad what they did to Star Trek, when i was a little girl my dad used to watch Star Trek with me, it had emotional impact. It had a message, it brought one to dream and think. Now it feels only like they throw crybabys at us with no real story aside from doing checkmarks for DEI. I want the old TNG feeling back.
I used to watch TNG with my wee daughter back around when she was 5/6 years old, many years ago... Saddens me to see the state of it all now :(
Same, so when Discovery started, I was excited to watch it with my kids...YOUZA...So disappointed. NOT a family show. I email CBS, which is the sort of thing I never do, over how disappointed I was. They didn't care. I was not the target audience, although who that was I have no idea.
I doubt Skydance will ever do it justice. I’d say let it rest and move onto to doing a spiritual successor already.
My first memory is when I was 3 years old and watched the TNG series premier with my mom. I loved it more than anything I had ever seen before and have been a trekkie ever since (only Trek ended for me in the 90s).
I did enjoy Lower Decks, as it wasn't afraid to take the mickey out of so many recurring plots, plus who could not enjoy a multiverse ship crewed by a whole bunch of Harry Kim's 😂
Everything else though 😢
Now, if they'd only find a way to erase all of Disney's canon from Star Wars. Boy, what a day that would be.
What are you talking about, EU is the only canon that matters
Amen brother.
@Ihavethetouch I know, that's what I want. Disney threw out the EU, which they seemed to hate while appropriating it out of context, and replaced it with their garbage. You associate the EU with Disney, I do not. They lost that privilege long ago as they spit on legacy fans.
@@Ihavethetouch6 films from ‘77 to ‘05 plus EU.
Star Wars died in 1977 😅
Hey, the Kelvin timeline did have one single bright point. Karl Urban was a great Dr. McCoy; he nailed it.
His talents were WASTED - it's as Billy Butcher (The Boys) where he truly excels!
@@dgillies5420 Judge Dredd was a banger
Yeah but then you gotta see Simon Peg(ging)'s version of Scotty, whining about how they all didn't sign up to be in a military when they joined STAR FLEET and went to the academy, no thanks.
The best part about the Kelvin Timeline is that it's "the Kelvin Timeline"... it's free to do whatever it wants without it affecting "real Trek". Which I hoped Discovery would end up being just the same.
And an even better Judge Dredd.
I was one of those that was inspired by Bones and Scotty. Wound up becoming an engineer and a doctor. Thank you DeForest Kelley and James Doohan. You inspired a generation.
"Apathy is death. Worse than death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds the beasts and insects." - Kreia
Apatheeeeee is death
- HK-47
This should be pinned.
I've given up on Star Wars a long time ago, but man I'd want another ride if it was written by Chris Avellone again. I hate what happened to him.
I hated that character so much
Apathy is death.
Voyager is 100 times the show that STD was/is
Medicore is always better than woke
I've realized that there is a lot of Voyager episodes are new to me, and they're good.
Voyager is actually one of the better introductory series to get people into trek
@@bunnywithakeyboard7628voyager was NOT mediocre!!
I like voyager :)
I grew up watching the original series in the ‘60s in Australia. TOS not only inspired me to go into tech, code I wrote for a Star Trek game for myself was later repurposed and eventually led to me being hired by a US company and moved to the States. Trek has been a foundation for my entire life. So to write that I have been deeply disappointed and angered by the recent Trek series is a massive understatement.
"Who Cares...?" This is how many die hard, original fans of Star Trek, Star Wars, DOCTOR WHO all feel.
Yep they poached all of our good shows and turned them into travesties.
I just want to say congratulations Drinker!!! I’ve been subscribed since like 10k subs. I’m so glad that you made it, bro. You deserve it. And you never changed who you are. Congrats, man. Go away now.
I appreciate it!
@@TheCriticalDrinker I just want you to know drinker, you're one of my biggest inspirations as a film critic.
I've been subscribed a long time as well. I don't bother going to the movies unless Drinker tells me so.
@@abodz9702 same here dude! :D
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"When fans complain, it means they care. Its when fans stop complaining that you're f-ked; because they stopped caring."
I did that to Amazon's ROP. I won't ever complain about Tolkein's works, but the way they portray his stories in movies.....go choke on raw fish, Hollywood.
If only the same thing could happen to Star Wars but we know Disney doesn’t have the balls as long as KK is still in charge
Yeah, no kidding. As an old ST fan, I can say that the Drinker nailed my reaction in the beginning of the video. I was like, "wait, this thing was still going?" And I mean, not just me, I'm on a forum where people discuss pretty much everything including movies and series. We've had threads dedicated to season 6 of some series (e.g., Lucifer). We even had a thread about season 2 of Rings Of Power, if you can imagine. Star Trek? Pretty much nobody was talking about any of those series after the first half of the first season. And Prodigy never even got a mention. (And I for one learn right now that Prodigy even ever existed.)
I mean, ST went from some of us debating the merits and faults of even Enterprise's last season, to, yeah, "wait, Discovery is still running?"
And yeah, that's when you know that it's a dead horse. Might as well stop flogging it, it's not going anywhere.
It's* when you want to say "it is".
I remembered that advice when I was in competitions and was sick of constantly feeling like I was being crapped on. "Be afraid when they stop saying anything at all. It means you're not worth dealing with or improving."
Perhaps this is the worst way beloved franchises die. Not with a bang and raging into that good night, but forgotten and left to whimper in silence as those who loved it walk away from it's defilement.
“Life find a way to come back”- Ian Malcom
@@maxmazzotti6651 perhaps so, but I would prefer if these franchises are given their final resting place. Today's certain 'creators' do not appreciate what is given to them by the creators of old and will gleefully ruin a creation in order to flex on their political opposition.
A most logical conclusion 🖖
So, I wasnt a Trekkie when I was younger; my dad showed me Star Wars first, and ST felt pretty dry in comparison to lightsabers. I've since watched TOS and thoroughly enjoy that, still need to find a way to watch TNG (never got the "you can't like both SW and ST" thing people used to push when they were both at their most popular). But SW was definitely the biggest thing for me and this is exactly what I'm feeling....but it's like a weird, kind of painful "apathy". I think ST fans are at least lucky in that every RUclipsr in existence doesn't remind them that the corpse of their franchise is being desecrated every time a new show drops. 😂
To be fair, Trek is far from dead. We have three new shows coming out. It isn't being made for classic fans
I didn’t even know it’s out. That speaks for itself…
You forgot that Star Trek single handedly saved the Humpback whale. They made the world care with a movie...
And they also invented talking to a computer... Via a mouse.
This is a underated take that is SPOT ON! 👏
@@cyclingdad6152 And the original flip phone was modeled after the communicator in TOS.
@@cyclingdad6152 and cloaking your star ship in the middle of central park.
Yep I remember pretty much the entire movie theater cheering at the end of Star Trek IV The Voyage Home. I was 15 years old.
Star Trek helped me and my father connect in the weirdest way.
When i was young, we had a naughty chair in the corner of the living room and most nights i would be sat in it. Around 7pm my father would watch Next Generation, at first i didnt like it, i knew nothing of sci fi and didnt understand it, but as time went on i started to really get into it and started speculating about characters and stories with my old man to the point we would forget why i was in the chair to begin with, it became a thing we watched together regardless. It was the first time my father and i had anything in common.
Star Trek will always have a place in my heart. Even if it has got lost in the Delta Quadron and never returns, i knew ye well.
My dad and I did that with Stargate SG-1. He'd hurry home from work on whatever day it aired so we wouldn't miss it and have to record it on VHS
@jonny-b4954 Thats awesome to hear, we started watching stargate aswell and he had the original VHS with Kurt Russel. SG-1 was a great show and O'Neil was a legend.
🍻 To Sci Fi Fathers.
@@jonny-b4954 I never thought I would be so glad that the Stargate franchise is dead than looking at current day media.
I can only imagine how bad they would have ruined the SG-1 continuity with those godawful modern writers.
My dad introduced me to TNG when I was a little girl. I think it must have been in reruns at the time. He was a kid when TOS came out and was a huge Trekkie. I fell in love with TNG and it led me to TOS, Voyager, Enterprise, and DS9. Even Enterprise wasn't horrible compared to today's ST trash. I've watched parts of the new stuff and none of it understands the point of ST, and is all about ✨️the message✨️...
Dad and I had a Star Trek bond. We weren't very much alike for the first 35 or so yrs of my life. Have you become him yet? I was really surprised when I realized at 50 that I was my father's son. He's gone, and I can't tell him.
Fitting we got Unification at the end of it all,in less than 10 minutes and no words showed more heart than a decade of Bad Robot could.
It missed the mark for me. Where was Bones? They were and always will be a triad. You couldn't have one without the other.
like romulan/vulcan? they hail married that in? pfft. then uh.... does unification matter if its in the spiderverse?
@@ck7250 - Bones was killed on Planet Thermia in the Galaxy Quest timeline.
A-frickin-men to that.
My thoughts exactly. They were a triumvirate. Spock was the logical, rational head, McCoy was the emotional heart, and Kirk was in the middle trying to balance the two.
Best recommendation on 'Star Trek' for young persons:
Check out the two Nicholas Meyer movies - Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan AND Star Trek VII: 'The Undiscovered Country.' They're both decent classics
"It's dead, Jim, it's dead."
"It's Star Trek, Jim. But not as we know it..."
_And nothing of value was lost._
AAAAABBBBBRRRRAAAAAMMMMMSSSSSS!!!!!!!
"i'm a Doctor JIm, not a script writer."
Under rated comment 😂
It’s crazy that JJ Abrams killed both Star Trek and Star Wars.
Kurtzman, Abrams, the Borg took over
I feel like JJ completely missed the point of Star Trek and Star Wars
And that he still roams free.
I think he simply hates stars.
@@TheHumanRanger That's an understatement. What he produced is completely shallow, doesn't connect to the source lore, doesn't contribute anything of value to the lore either.
In order to know a measure of a man you gotta put an android on trial to determine if he is sentient or not and if he has any rights.
Amazing
One of the all time greatest episodes.
@@sanjayraju988 It was surely one of the episodes of all time.
@@Roukledon't morb measure of a man. UT was legitimately great.
It*
What I won't forgive them for - what I CAN'T forgive them for is taking one of the most influential worlds of my formative years, and making me indifferent to anything new taking place in it, or even dreading such bad stories.
They killed our spirit and joy. Fuck, I use to love Star Trek so much.
The saddest part is that it's not an outlier. The same thing happened to pretty much every single even remotely popular media franchise.
Yeah luckily George Lucas raped my childhood before Peter Jackson and JJ Abrams tagged in. After watching Phantom Menace four times in the theater to be sure I wasn't hallucinating it, everything that happened afterward was just what was happening.
The worst part about the NuTrek is the irreparable damage it caused to the Memory Alpha Wiki as it's mediocre lore wormed it's way into every major event or existing character. The canon at this point is a disgusting amalgam of original Trek stories combined with clowny and pretentious NuTrek bull.
@@Undy1 And this is the other thing. These "sequels" and "soft reboots" just never seem to stay in their own lane. Instead of building on the canon that came before, they (read: the hacks writing them) feel the need to displace and re-contextualize everything that came before them.
The goodest of riddances. It's a crime they even made so many seasons of this, when so many more compelling shows got cancelled early.
Shows like Firefly don’t get propped up by DEI
In their defense(minimal effort), this debacle can be placed at the feet of Moonves.
@@bunnywithakeyboard7628 Crazy seeing it was very feminist with female second in command, female engineer better than man they first hired, and River smarter than her doctor brother, and yes a sex worker depicted as making valid points. Obedient idiot like pilot whose wife wore the pants and Jayne a toxic idiot too. BTW, captain lost the war. I liked it till that all dawned on me.
Agreed. It was a crime that this show wasn't cancelled after one season.
Can't finish Mindhunters but we can have 5 bloody seasons of Discovery.
Right after this video ended, Patrick Stewart comes on and tells me how he believes in helping those in crisis. How fitting.
I got fed that same thing right before this video started.
😂🖖
I use the Brave Browser and never see any of that stuff.
Old Guy here. I was born the year after the original series started. I like almost every episode of strange new worlds. But yes, the more I had Michael Burnham forced at me, I lost interest in watching Discovery. WOKE crap wears thin quickly when it feels forced.
Totally agree. I'm another old guy and I love Strange New Worlds, Lower Decks, and Picard. All great shows IMO. Discovery....woke shit.
Yeah I agree, Discovery was and is terrible, I have hope for Strange New Worlds which I haven't started watching yet, your comment gives me more hope.
Remember when William Shatner said that current Star Trek isn't what Roddenberry imagined?
To be fair, TNG after he died wasn't his Star Trek either and the show got better.
Tng improved radically after new writers were brought in.
Thank god for Unification!
Yeah, he also would have hated DS9. So what's your "point" again?
@peterthx His point is that the last remaining member of the original crew said the creator wouldn't agree with where the shows are now. That's pretty obvious. You can argue about what it's worth, but it is a point.
The JJ Abrams trilogy was the worst possible decision for both Star Trek & Star Wars
Amazing how execs looked at the Star Trek trilogy and thought "Yeah, let's do that but for Star Wars, a show where canon actually matters and the fanbase isn't used to spacetime nonsense"
@@RoukleIn fairness, canon also mattered to Star Trek once upon a time.
I love the classic cannon, my dad raised me on the OG, TNG, and DS9. Gonna be honest tho, I don't think tht Abrams trilogy deserved the hate that it got, it's just a different thing, kinda like that RoboCop reboot, you can't compare it to the Paul Verhoven tour de force because it's just a different animal and only shares a name.
@NotThereJustGone
Probably even more so. It's not even controversial to hold that SW was more style to ST's substance.
Hindsight is 20/20
Star Trek: *dies*
Paramount: "Pikachu, his eyes wide, his mouth open."
Well done haha
Drinker, when the franchises fell at apathy.
Great video commentary Drinker.
I grew up liking 'Star Trek' in the 1990s... ...and now I just don't care...
Classic Star Trek was made by people who lived through and in some cases even fought in the darkest days of the 20th century and wanted to show a future that humanity could and should achieve to show we can do better. Modern Star Trek is written by people with black hearts that think everyone else is just as heinous as they are and can't comprehend people can be better than they are.
Lmfao darkest days in the first world is someone mistakening your order for a latte for an expresso foh
@@BomagBoy-c9oOr getting the order right, but being misgendered. 😅
+ @dpm365 Just posted something similar. 🤓 Totally different vibes.
@@BomagBoy-c9oapparently to many it’s being called a wrong pronoun or someone not choosing to identify their pronouns.
@@BomagBoy-c9o I'd count getting shot at on D Day a pretty bad experience
"For the world is hollow and I have touched the sky!"
Star Trek was glorious. I loved it more than I can say.
It was instrumental in taking Science Fiction and making it a genre for adult human beings. I was 16 when the first Star Trek first aired. I felt all alone in my love for the show. It was a special day and a very special show.
"I'm from Iowa, I just work in outer space."
But it's gone now and I will always have my memories but it's dead, Jim.
"He's dead, Jim"
If we went back 20 years to when Enterprise ended, and you told me they were going to make a Section 31 show starring the lady from Tomorrow Never Dies and Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, I'd have been ecstatic.
Now the idea just makes me groan.
and if they'd done the borderlands movie 10 years ago, the ages might have been plausible. can't do the full 20, what with continuity
I liked Shran
Same here.
@@AutomatedPersonnelUnit_3947 shran had great presence, but it's jeffrey combs, so he's just being consistent
@@dercooney He's so great, I like all his characters 👍
Woke Hollywood intentionally destroyed all our old classic Movies & T.V. shows because they hated them.
"Star Trek" died the moment Jar Jar Abrams, destroyer of franchises, and his hellspawn from Bad Reboot got their grubby little hands on it. Since then it has been a painful spiralling into the abyss. Kurtzman and the rest of these creative lemmings are just like the grave robbers digging up the corpse and desecrating it.
Yes. To think how delighted I was at the time: the guy who was making shows I was really enjoying like Alias and Lost and would go on to make Fringe and Person of Interest would be tackling Star Trek! It seemed like a great fit. It's like he burst a blood vessel when he became a movie director and everything he touched subsequently turned to crap! Then again, much of the output of his production company started well, but ended up limping to the finish line!
And he's also destroying Star Wars with Rise of The Skywalker. The Force Awakens wasn't a bad movie, it had a potential. If only he was directing The Last Jedi instead gave it to Rian Johnson, the sequel trilogy would be good. All of the lores from TFA got wasted in the last 2 movies.
So, JJ Abrams is the killer of Star Wars and Star Trek franchise.
@@margarethmichelina5146 TFA is a soft reboot, or as OP put it, "Bad Reboot", of A New Hope. Those are a sign of creative bankruptcy and not potential.
"[Evil] can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own." - J. R. R. Tolkien
Next Generation fanboy here (yes, I'm that old). Discovery was a horrendous nightmare for me as I wanted to love the series. I hope it has a grave as I want to piss on it.
You don’t have to be old to appreciate tng,I love it among others including of course the inimitable original series - and I’m only 3 years old!
I'm a fan of next generation and I'm 39. Am I old? I feel like I'm right on the border.
The thing I hated about Discovery was that it was solely focused on Michael Burnham and didn’t give any of the other characters the spotlight. I only watched it for Spock and he barely got any screen time. It was all about Michael…The only good thing about Discovery was how it sort of fixed the failed pilot episode and got me interested in Captain Pike’s story and Strange New Worlds. Other than that Discovery can bite it along with Michael Burnham.
Strange New Worlds is what we all wanted Discovery to be. It fits in well with TOS and TNG.
I can't stand Michael Burnham
True, I've never once used any quote or reference to Modern Trek.
I have, however, ended a conference call with "That's all I've got for today, go away now."
Face it, you're not memorable because you're popular. You're popular because you're memorable.
You probably owe Drinker a drink now, for using his ending :) And it won't be a cheap one, believe me :)
In fairness, I've used a few. Mainly the ones with f-bombs I heard during my horror watch of STD back when it's 1st season appeared. As examples of how they totally didn't get, and likely actively disliked Star Trek, then switched it off and never watched any of their garbage again.
There’s only one way to bring Star Trek back. Make it about exploration. The action is not even secondary. It’s not supposed to be. It’s simply a consequence of going into uncharted territory; and that’s only very rarely. these are doctors and scientists. They are supposed to represent the absolute best of humanity. It’s about trekking and exploring and learning. It’s about taking theories and ideas from the real world And presenting it in a way that creates possibility. They haven’t done that in almost 21 years.
It’s all on Skydance now if they will do it or not.
Will watch the original series when I need some logic in my life.. some sense of order. That's what Star Trek does for me.
The reason _Star Trek: The Motion Picture_ is one of my all-time favorite science fiction movies is because it's all about exploring the unknown and solving a problem not with weapons and combat but intelligence and logic.
I 100% agree with the Drinker here. as someone on the wrong side of 40, I remember being excited to watch DS9, TNG and yes even Voyager. The world's in those shows felt big, the good guys were upbeat and their cause felt right. The bad guys were logical to their own ends. When I watched the Jar Jar Abrams movies, they felt... off, not quite right. The world building felt dark and brutal, the characters were conflicted and yet somehow still fairly one dimensional. For me personally, when I found out Simon Peg was going to play the role of Scotty, I just kinda walked away from all things Star Trek. Honestly that was the last thing in the franchise I watched. To the Drinker's point I sort of forgot they were still making content, Picard was the only show I was temped to watch, but if I was being honest, it would only be to see my second favorite Captain (Sisko being first) back in the chair. But when I saw they had made him out as a sad old man, I decided I'd be better off remembering him the way I left him in TNG.
Season 3 is definitely worth it tho.
Abrams stated he was more of a star wars fan than a Trek fan, and it showed in his Trek movies. He tried to bridge the 2 franchises and failed at both. If those movies wouldn't have had the Trek name on them, they would have made decent sci-fi movies.
@@bscar All Abrams did was copy what was there. SW's he just remade a New Hope and with ST he just remade the Wrath of Khan. Worse yet all he would have had to do is use any other person on Kahn's ship and could have done the whole movie around them and at the very end when putting him back in the Botany Bay just walked by Kahn's sleeper bed. Kirk didn't know about the ship and was not there (in the hospital) when they put him back in and sent it on its way so Kirk could have run across it later not knowing anything about it and the time line could have stayed (almost) true. During the trip the person used in the move could have been one of Khans crew that didn't make it through the trip. All lose ends tied up.
I had a friend with a business degree tell me about a class in flops he had to take. In short, he said, businesses that make changes old customers hate have two choices. One is to say we're sorry, we fumbled, we'll put things back. The other is to count on more new customers to replace the lost customers and grow the brand. The second choice, he said, almost never works out, but CEO types are always convinced they'll beat the odds. The ones who surround themselves with people who'll tell them they won't are the ones who can change course, please the old customers, and survive.
A clap and a half for this demise. That's the level of apathy, not even an applause
This show isn’t even worth mocking Morbius-style
I remember watching the first season and thinking it was kind of ok, not very Trekky but I had an open mind. I intended to give it another go when Season 2 came around but could never work up the interest to do so. Reading some of the developments of later seasons it was the right call.
A clap, that's STD, right?
It was the clap.
“This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.”
TSE (The Hollow Men) in point.
"Real" Star Trek will never die. The shite that attempted to replace it will never live.
I grew up on TOS reruns and TNG debuted my freshmen year of high school. You couldn't escape the reach of Trek in those days-- even my "normie" friends knew when "All Good Things" was airing as the TNG finale. The release of Star Trek 6 in theaters was hyped in the media as a pretty big deal-- an event film that bid a fond farewell to a group of cultural icons. Deep Space 9 was pretty regular viewing during my college years for a lot of my friends and even Voyager made an impression.
Now... I hear NOTHING about Trek. There are no more films, the series that do come out generate ZERO chatter, and the scattered merch I do see fails to sell.
It's sad to see the franchise die like this but, I think Dr. McCoy would put it best:
"It's dead, Jim."
That's really not fair. The media landscape has changed so much in the intervening years, with on-demand & streaming and everything. Even the biggest series now only reach a fraction of the audience a Cheers, Seinfeld or Frasier would get. That's not to say I don't have huge issues with STD, but you have to consider them on their own merit, in their contemporary marketspace.
I'll take the worst Voyager and Enterprise episodes over new Star Trek any day. Those shows were at least written by people who liked the series.
"Threshold" anyone? 😅
@@MaxwellMax The name is not to be mentioned. I read somewhere that even the episode's writer don't consider it cannon.
While I would generally agree, both Strange New World (which especially in S1 felt like "a return to the olden days, but in 4K!") and Picard S3 were very nice watches. And very much Star Trek.
Comments here have also convinced me to give Lower Decks a shot. I avoided it after STD, which despite three attempts to try, I have never gotten further than mid S1.
@@cy-one you never go full STD
Lower Decks, despite being a cartoon, has far more love for actual Star Trek than any of the ones Kurtzman was involved in. I'd honestly put it above Voyager.
As a lifelong Trek fan I can swear that in the past 2-3 years I've watched one episode of Strange New Worlds, no other current trek, but have rewatched Wrath of Khan, a few fan-made RUclips shorts, and rewatched the entire Battlestar Galactica 2004 series. I'll dig up Babylon 5 before I watch any of this stuff. Thank you Drinker for telling it like it is. It's sad, that's what it is. I mean how do these companies do so much damage to Star Trek, Star Wars, and Marvel's 50+ year history so quickly!
Agreed. Just started a re-watch of Babylon 5 the other day.
Why didn't you watch the lower decks and PRO?
I think Star Trek New Worlds is the best Star Trek currently out there. And I have watched every movie and serie.
I miss REAL Trek. You can only watch DS9 on it's loop so many times in a row. All this New era garbage is painful and it's shallow dei garbage actually hurts my soul.
The Paramount executives are going to determine that StarTrek Discovery failed with fans because it isnt diverse enough.
They really failed by not including a tribble officer.
STD was not diverse. My favorite scene had a half dozen women on the bridge and no men, let alone a straight white man.
They will have to break the diversity barrier and create a show that includes every race, ethnicity, gender, and body type so every person feels represented. The new Star Trek series will have a budget of billions and a cast of thousands flying around in the USS Diversity enforcing the Federation's new Prime Directive of bringing DEI to backwards planets.
The Michael Burnham show ?
We need a show where a Horta and Morn from DS9 operate a small trading ship and act as private-eyes on the side.
Classic Star Trek genuinely contributed to me now becoming an officer in the US Navy. Obviously, there isn't much left to explore on earth these days, but the ideas of pushing the boundaries of what is possible and trying to greater understand the world around us, combined with the dedication and commitment that comes with being a military leader appealed to me ever since I was a little kid. Hornblower also played a big part in that, probably the biggest, but Star Trek also had a pretty big impact on me
👊thank you
I joined the Air Force for the same reason.
Btw, Roddenberry was a huge fan of Horatio Hornblower.
Same here. Well, tos and TNG. Found Hornblower just before commissioning. Can't say much more other than "ditto", you nailed my thoughts exactly.
For those still kinda "eh" on Enterprise, watch some A&E Horatio Hornblower, or Master & Commander, THEN listen to Archer's Theme (the original intro song for that show), and then watch Enterprise. It'll change your paradigm a little.
Aye aye 👍🇺🇸
We still have the Classics. A local channel in my area still plays them back to back every single night. They must be getting viewers because this particular channel has been playing them for years now.
Heroes & Icons!!
The free (with ads) Pluto streaming channel shows TNG, DS9, and Voyager pretty much round-the-clock.
@@stevenscott2136 They had to add a second Trek channel just to keep up with the demand for classic Trek.
I am one of those daily viewers lol...
I realize that i don't need any of the crap. That I have no obligation to pay attention to the garbage of the past 9 years just because it parasitically attached itself to things I love. I've accumulated enough high quality books, T.V. shows, courses, games, vacation spots, restaurants, recipes, music play-lists, etc, that I don't ever need to to put up with anything "new". These idiot can shit on everything good to their heart's content; it means nothing to me.
"Apathy is death. Worse than death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds the beasts and insects."
~ Kreia
I hear that Paramount plus has some new Star Trek stuff, but I have no way to confirm those rumors since nobody seems to have Paramount +, possibly for fear of catching an STD
The only thing I can confirm is the Section 31 movie on January 25.
Well played OP, well played.
@@ki5aok Drinker is wrong, I heard about it. Also wrong about the group, DS9 fans know it damn well. Me included. I'm kinda curious about that product so I'd probably pirate it. :D
Strange new worlds.
It's actually pretty decent, a prequel to the OG tv show the lead gives more than a nod to William Shatners Kirk. Obviously too many girlboss women but the storylines are pretty true to the original spirit, mostly.
Only new series I could stomach tbh.
@@boogboog8097 How did you manage the S2 finale?
RIP Star Trek! Thank you for the memories. You had a great life.
The reports of Star Trek's death have been greatly exaggerated.
@@TheCNYMike -- no they have not.
Also, no one cares.
Most of the IP is dead these days... except Deadpool and Guardians.
If the executives and producers had any sense, they would have fired themselves a long time ago. I suppose their egos prevented all that.
pathetic, really.
Many of us used to care. We used to spend time and money on these things. No longer.
Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic and others are far more entertaining pointing out Hollyweird's and Pedowood's downfall.
@@drx1xym154 🤣This is the gazillionth video I have seen in the past two weeks incorrectly(!) claiming that Lower Decks de-canonized Discovery and/or removed it from the prime timeline. This will probably be the 6,777th comment. That's a lot of effort for people who are apathetic.
Don't give up hope.... I have a feeling that we are going toward the end of woke culture
@@skumflum3768 You're probably not.
This was a show ???
I NEVER knew it even existed 🤣🤣🤣
I used to devour all things trek for my entire life. Even though the quality was already declining with voyager and enterprise, id still watch it because it was faithfully done with obvious love for keeping the world building consistant. The moment 2009 came around and i saw Vulcan implode i realized this was now just nothing more than a corporation that wanted to IP mine. I watched 1 episode of discovery, laughed at the silly waterbear jump drive, checked out and Picard season 3 didnt tempt me back. Im actually thankful that it helped me learn that everything has its time and at some point you have to let it go. Nothing they ever do now will ever tempt me back because once you sh1t the bed it's a bed that no one wants to sleep in anymore.
I felt like Enterprise captured what that era would have been like. Archer felt more like an old school cowboy captain. Sort of like a prototype Kirk which makes sense given the timeline.
Not to mention Spock having blatant emotional reactions. WTF?
Enterprise got good after a very rough start but by then they had already decided to cancel it
Enterprise always gets alot of shit from Classic Trek fans (I happen to be one of them), but I enjoyed it. It still had the spirit of the original.
@@FatphobeforLifedude I hate that!! If you think back to pre 2009, Vulcans doing or saying something human particularly a comedic joke, was done SO infrequently that when it did happen it was rare and unique and had an emotional impact because hey look! These Vulcans have mastered their control of emotion and don't ever show it. But then with Discovery, their Vulcans are modern, very simpish and very emo. The only effort they give to the modern Vulcans is to give them a "serious monotone voice" but they can't even keep us convinced of that!! Ughhh sad sad...
That recent fan film with Shatner cgi. Was the first Star Trek in a long time that moved something in me. It’s a farewell video anyways. It was nice seeing Kirk and Spock together again. 🖖 Live long and prosper my friends.
To be fair, og fans knew about section 31 long before the show was a thought in anyones head because it was the backstory of one of DS9's more memorable villains
The key word there being villain.
30 years ago the shadowy government organization that acted outside the law and outside of accepted morality was the villain.
Today the people making star trek view them as the heroes, worth of their own movie.
@@khatdubell correct but the premise brought about by Drinker was that nobody would know what Section 31 is nor heard of it. It's been a part of classic Trek for quite a while now.
Also Malcom Reed's involvement with them in Enterprise comes up several times. And the MMORPG makes pretty good use of its existence in some missions.
@@cchavezjr7 I think he meant the general audience ie not Star Trek fans.
@@stevoc9930 If he did then that would pertain to pretty much every single storyline from all the series except the movie and one of the newer Trek movies had Section 31 play a pretty pivotal role with their version of "Kahn".
My high school buddies and I started watching Star Trek when it came out in reruns in the mid-70's. I had a '68 Impala Super Sport at the time. Across the bottom of the speedometer I applied a silver punch tape that read from "Impulse" at 0 mph to "Warp Speed" at the 120 mph mark. Strange how often I buried the needle past "Warp Speed." ;-) God, I loved both that car and Star Trek. I went into Mechanical Engineering, in no small part due to Jimmy Doohan's, Montgomery Scott. RIP Star Trek 1966 - 2005. I miss you.
My older brother, who is 23, just binged the original show, Next Generation, and all the related films. He has had an absolute blast with them. He's now interested in Voyager and Deep Space Nine. He has definitely become a Trekie. I myself have gotten a little interested myself. Wrath of Khan is now one of my favorite sci-fi films. It is sad to see how such an iconic IP is fading into existence, because people nowdays truly don't know how much it has shaped our culture.
I envy the victory of the Trekkies, as a former Star Wars fan who has been getting tired of Disney’s desecration of my childhood.
I haven't watched ANYTHING Star Trek sense "Star Trek: Enterprise" which I thought was great. You hit the nail on the head it's "forgotten".
I didn't love Enterprise, but it did have its moments, and I enjoyed it.
I wish that it had gotten a fifth season, it felt like it was hitting its stride in Season 4.
@@bros4654that last episode made me scream.
Give lower decks a try (series one is a bit crap) and prodigy is fun.
I remember going to see star trek nemesis opening night. There was 4 people in the movie with me. 2 were my friends that like TNG. Star trek been dead for awhile
I learned "Faith of the Heart" just because it drives my wife nuts. She despises it.
Lower Decks gets better and better as it goes, and it brings back a LOT from the TNG/Original/DS9/Voyager era.
Just... start the series on episode 3. The first two episodes are bad.
“My” Star Trek (I.e., pre-Abrams) is still alive and well on streaming services and hard media! 🎊
>.> Lower Decks (barring the first two episodes) is also good.
This speaks to my fandom apathy. My love for Star Trek is undiminished and I hope someday it will be revived with its energy and message restored.
However, I am glad to see Discovery go, and I am not watching any of the other shows now. Nail on the head.
When I was young, Star Wars, Star Trek, and Lord of the Rings all had large rabid fanbases. Now it's hard to find anyone who is even mildly annoyed when they announce some new terrible project in any of those IPs - the corporate-induced apathy goes that deep.
the games have been best media they have had in awhile jedi survivor and shadow of mordor
It's not apathy at all. It's not keeping something special. Let's say you ate your favorite meal everyday for a week. Would you still want it the next week? Seinfeld is the only tv show in history to go off the air with the highest ratings ever in the series. Jerry Seinfeld wanted to end the show after 9 seasons with the fans still loving the show.
@@drcat1313 Cope.
@@toby2581 This has nothing to do with adam copeland's new name in AEW wrestling
The LOTR fanbase is still fighting in the trenches. Rings of Power and Girlbossing the Rohirrim got some scathing backlash despite the mainstream media machine Pr campaigns.
Trek, on the other hand? We've had so many terrible shows and movies that most of us have simply given up on more Trek. We just rewatch what we have.
I remember watching TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise with my dad when I was growing up. When Discovery was announced I was excited and curious to see how they'd bridge the time between Enterprise and TOS. The first episode left me disappointed and scratching my head. My dad however dropped off immediately
I watched the rest of the season with my friend and it felt like it was improving and then immediately dropped off in terms of writing. We even called the overarching plot of S2 by the end of the second episode. Honestly this whole thing just feels like wasted potential. Dad doesn't even care about Star Trek anymore because of it. The excitement is gone for us with Star Trek and that just makes me sad.
I’m the dad in this story (not actually but this is the story with my son - we were Star Trek fans but it all died)
should see if he gets into strange new worlds. i tried discovery and it was always meh. I tried to get over the bug looking klingons and just noped the hell out in the end. No idea why they felt they had to redo the design. they worked ever since that first star trek movie. they are like the creature from the black lagoon the costume works and never needed to be changed. they are that iconic.
Hopefully we get more of the orville. Its the best star trek show on tv
@@criticalchaiIm not anything until they 100% change. A good way to show us they mean well is getting rid of KK. If Disney does that, it would tell me things are changing across the board in Hollywood.
@@criticalchai SNW does try to recapture the magic of TOS in the first season. I've yet to watch S2 of it, however it still feels a little hit or miss, like something is missing but I cant place what.
Star Trek died in 2005. Nuff said.
Unification 765 was the perfect goodbye. Let it rest in peace.
76584 unification
Nah. More trek the better. Dont care how it is received.
I'll defend Lower Decks, because it's actually respectful of the originals (mostly) and brings back canon events in prior episodes.
@@hariman7727 Same here.
Honestly my biggest shock was that lower decks was still going. How did that get past a first season?
Star Trek died years ago. And I as a fan mourned the death of a good friend. It was a tragedy. But then came the time to move on, find purpose and hope in life again and the fans of Star Trek did. We lost a friend but we moved on because that is something we need to do. Goodbye Star Trek I loved you so much but I need to manage without you and I will.
So long Star trek, thanks for all the memories. You were a big part of my childhood, but I've grown up now.
Same
Enterprise was the last Star Trek I ever cared about.
ENT Not getting a season 5 was one of the worst things, ENT Was great.
And it was good.
Rushed, but good.
Sorry, but _Enterprise_ sucked!
Seriously, has "actor" Scott Bakula ever played any character besides Scott Bakula?
@ don’t be sorry you’re entitled to that opinion.
@@grantorino2325Try rewatching it. I hated it when I first saw it, but it's much better as an adult and that last season was one of the best - right up with DS9.
This is how culturally significant Star Trek used to be in a broad, mainstream sense - here in the UK, we used to have Star Trek showing at prime time multiple days of the week on the BBC. I think Voyager was possibly Tuesdays, TNG was Wednesdays, DS9 Thursdays? To put this into perspective for the Americans in the audience - we had 4 channels in the 90s, growing into a whopping 5 channels before the digital switchover. 4 channels... and for three days of the week, Star Trek was dinner-time TV for one of those 4 channels.
Incidentally, "Section 31" still tickles me as both a Star Trek and Babylon 5 fan - the blatant plagiarism reached its lazy peak there. Babylon 5? Shadowy, clandestine organisation called Bureau 13. Paramount were like, ooh, let's use that! What should we do? I know, let's swap the numbers around!
I can remember "Star Trek" being on once a week on RTE in Ireland back in the 1970s. You dare not miss it, because there was no repeat, there were no fan magazines covering the plot. If you missed it, it was gone forever, and you were one sad panda.
I gravitated to the Spock/Scotty end of the spectrum and took a degree in applied physics and electronics, with my first job being with DEC, debugging DHU-11 boards (RS-232 boards for the UNIBUS, for all you geezers).
"Star Trek" had me hand-building my own 6502-based micro-computer when I was about 15. That was the effect it had.
I know Mike and Rich are definitely happy. The RLM videos on Discovery are literally the only good things to come out of the series.
If Trek ever wants to be on the map again it needs their seal of approval. They grew up when Star Trek was in its prime. To us who are younger we were fortunate to binge it on streaming services as our first time being exposed to it. But they had to wait every week for a new episode of Picard and his crew. And if they missed it they missed it. Star Trek was an event
I grew up obsessed with TNG and DS9. I can still name all the races, technology, characters, alliances, quote Captain Picard, etc, and I haven't watched it in 30-odd years. That's how memorable and impactful it was. All of the stuff shown here.... I didn't even know any of it existed until watching this video. Star Trek didn't die, it was killed by the modern era of nothingness.
This isn't being made for fans of the previous generation. Producers do not care about anyone over 25. They are looking for a new audience.
I used to be able to name any random TNG episode just from a 5 second clip on TV. I don't know if I still can as it's been a long time since I've watched TNG all the way through, but that's how impactful and unique each episode is.
I'm an older big fan. I rewatch TNG, ds9 and voyager. I watch nothing new. It all sucks. im so done with new trek. I tried discovery when it first came out and hated it. I'd kill for a normal series. But thats not something I hope for anymore.
Understanding the existing series and the target major crowd is a must. Remasters would have been cheaper yet better way to make money like those music CDs.
Agreed. DS9 is screaming for an HD remaster.
Agreed on the remasters! It's a shame everyone bought into the "remastered TNG didn't make any money" narrative. Between physical sales, streaming and broadcast rights, and futue-proofing the content to ensure it remains relevant, the investment they put into the remasters will make the studio profit, if it hasn't already. Likely far more than the 6-8 million dollars set on fire every episode for streaming series that very few people watch and will be forgotten by the majority of people who are even aware they exist.
@@radagast83 Even I know not everybody has internet, making hard offline content copies great. The players and formats just need to be better by design for long-lasting use and storage.
@@radagast83 The plus side to doing future remasters is the TNG HD project was 10 years ago and the costs of come down quite a bit.
@@danielhenderson8316 yeah, when we now have people making movie-quality CGI in their bedrooms that beats what's being done in the latest ST shows, it's astonishing to think that they couldn't redo the effects for Voyager and DS9 these days seamlessly. It'd still be an ambitious multi-year project just due to there being hundreds of episodes, but look at stuff like JTVFX or NeonVisual on youtube and what they've done with zero budget, CBS needs to pull their finger out.
I was once asked which franchise has gotten worse, Star Wars or Star Trek?
*It’s a draw*
Yes
A trek can end, wars never do.
Is "Doctor Who" getting better?
No its not a draw. Its close, but Star Wars is WAaaaaaay worse. Its had more movies with higher budgets all being badly received by its original fan base. Its had far more flop tv series at high budgets too. Trek had wins with Picard Season 3 and some of Strange New Worlds. Picard season 3 is what they could have been doing from the off. The only thing in Star Wars that even broke through slightly to a none fan audience was Mandalorian Season 1 and 2. Everything else has been a total fail. In Andors case it was ok, to good, but no one watched. Mando season 3 ruined, Fett season ruined. Kenobi, ruined. Acolyte an utter joke and axed, and Ahsoka and Skeleton crew ignored. Skeleton Crew is not really Star Wars either, its Goonies in space, and no matter how well thought of it may be in some quarters, its still got a small audience and its only getting good write ups as its not the manure pile of Acolyte...its hardly a win. Trek has spent and wasted less money, and had one well paid film at the box office back in 2009....To be fair though it stalled badly after that and came to nothing. The sequel trilogy of Star Wars was utter dross in all areas, even though it took money it took less and less each time and cost more and more...I am betting Andor season 2 is ok, like the first one, but once again no one will show....
@Simon-xc5oy As much as I agree with you, it's not fair to call anything Star Wars a "flop" if it made profit - which it did. Solo is the _only_ Star Wars thing that hasn't turned a profit in the franchise's entire run.
I'm joining the US Navy to be a Submarine Crewman.
A large reason I wanted to serve in the Navy is because of how much I love the 60s and 90s Star Trek shows, and Starfleet reminds me alot of the Navy.
Sadly, the Space Force doesn't have the Starship Enterprise in its fleet just yet, so until then, Submarine crew sounds good to me.
Every word said from 3:55 on is 100% correct. Trek was Roddenberry's magnum opus: a bold, optimistic outlook for humanity's future that inspired and uplifted, thrilled and excited, and encouraged thousands of people to pursue careers in science and medicine thanks to its influence. Modern Trek is a heap of absolute rubbish that has shamelessly laid waste to a once-brilliant franchise. Thanks for the this awesomely poignant video, Drinker.
In Discovery, when the main protangonist girl-boss went rogue the first time and received a relative slap on the wrist, I thought, "Ok, normally she would be serverely disciplined, but let's see what happens." Then, she did it again, and WORSE than the first time, and received an accomodation not a well-deserved court martial?! Wait, what? Nope, I'm out...and I never looked back.
In S1, when Michael (the "girl-boss") mutinied and started the war with the Klingons, she was sentenced to life. Lorca managed to get her sprung to the Discovery for his own reasons. At the end, she talked the Federation down from an atrocity and stopped the war. Her record was expunged. You don't have to like it, but it wouldn't kill you to get the facts right.
Oh aye, I mean Kirk never broke the rules and got rewarded.
@TheCNYMike Oh come one! I'm not giving a play-by-play of exactly how the events took place. I mean, really?! My point is that in Star Trek, they are supposed to be in the future military. If you break the rules, no matter what your intensions, you get the appropriate military dicipline. Starting a war IS a violation of numerous regulations and is an immediate court martial. Then you get thrown into the brig for a very long time. If Lorca HAD followed the regulations as he vowed to do as an officer, he would have locked her up, not sprung her! There's nothing believable in Lorca's actions other than to keep Michael moving to the next episode and make him look weak. Of course it was story contrivancy. You say she "talked the Federation down"? That would never happen in a military. The superior officers would make that decision WITHOUT HER. LOL! She didn't have the rank or authority to do any of it! That's my point! She was supposedly rewarded for her sociopathic, independent, disrespectful, dishonest, and militarily illegal behavior? Not in any reality that I know of. It was all completely unbelievable and insufferable contrivancy. So how about you go be a TV show critic somewhere else?
@@PuissantPeacock S2 Ep1 "Amok Time." Kirk violated a direct order when he took Spock to Vulcan. The only reason he didn't get in trouble was T'Pau called in some favors.
Star Trek III and IV: Kirk stole the Enterprise in violation of orders from Starfleet. Ended up blowing it up. But after saving Earth by traveling into the past and retrieving two whales to talk to a space probe,* all charges were dropped except for disobeying orders. The "penalty" was being demoted to captain and given command of the Enterprise-A. (The again, the damn thing practically fell apart after they left spacedock and half the doors wouldn't open, so maybe it was a punishment [Star Trek V])
"The Menagerie" Spock risked the death penalty by hijacking the Enterprise and taking Captain Pike to Talos IV. He wasn't executed because the Talosians also left Starfleet know what had happened.
Star Trek: Insurrection: Picard violated direct orders from an admiral, whose orders had come from the Federation Council, and interfered with the effort to relocate the Ba'Ku. I guess the council changed its mind because he was still in command of the Enterprise in Nemesis.
You were saying?
*And when you summarize them like that, they sound pretty bad. Imagine if RUclips had existed in 1986. Oh, boy!
@@TheCNYMike Do you even know what the word "contrivancy" means? Your arguments are about a FICTIONAL TV show. That means the writers manipulate the story so that they can make the next episode. Get it? No? Ok, I'll explain. This is a FICTIONAL military and it obviously doesn't opperate in any form of reality so that the characters can break regulations without any real consequences, an unreality, a contrivancy, and is insufferable, unbelievable, and unwatchable. Didn't you realize that as you were typing that word salad out that the plots of the past Star Trek episodes you quote are nearly identical to the Discovery episodes? It's the same old contrivancies! There's nothing new here to argue Mike. I have a feeling you're related to either Harry Dunn or Lloyd Christmas so, bye Mike! Thank you for participating.
The baffling thing to me is just how much money Paramount has poured into Kurtzman’s hands to make Str Trek a moneymaker for them and how he’s consistently driven fans away. And yet, they keep giving him MORE money. It’s like the worst case of “Sunk Cost Fallacy” I’ve ever seen: this gazillion dollar an episode series is finally going to bring the fans back! No! THIS gazillion dollars an episode series is going to bring the fans back!
Now, I can’t even find Star Trek models at my local model store. I think the only place the franchise has anything like actual life is in Star Trek Online.
Imagine they used that money to make an actually good show like the old ones
Paramount needs fresh ideas these days and new shows. It shows that they are running out of time and things will implode long term.
On the opposite end of the spectrum, Nicholas Meyer is supposedly making a "podcast" play that's a prequel to Wrath of Khan... not sure if I wanna be optimistic, but it's about as low budget as Star Trek has been in decades and he always says art thrives on restrictions. Though who was really asking for a Khan: Life In the Desert of Ceti Alpha V beats me.
They've managed to so thoroughly violate the corpse of Star Trek that people who were once die-hard fans just no longer care about anything that happens with it.
Congratulations!
Lower Decks is the only one that DIDN'T do that, funnily enough.
What started as Rick and Morty Trek became an actual good series with true character development and hope and optimism, like the classic series everyone loves.
Yeah, I know. I'm shocked too.
>.> Just skip episodes 1 and 2 of the series. Those are bad.
@@hariman7727I liked SNW episode when the they crossed over from the USS Cerritos
There might be other holdouts like me. Perhaps in numbers much greater than anyone would believe. I suspect there are, those who bailed at the first slight whiff of mind-rot contamination, after being burned at the theater. I have only seen clips of the desecration. I abandoned all the big franchises very early into the age of the woke taint. Positive I'm not the only one.
@@StickySyrupEverywhere Heck, I abandoned Star Trek after the new movies. The first was "turn off your brain and go with it" okay, but Star Trek Into Darkness was a complete trainwreck.
I admit that I went into this one with trepidation because I wasn't a huge fan of the first, but the number of mistakes too large to ignore - just in the first several minutes of the movie - completely put me off. I've never even bothered watching the third of the new movies.
This is how I feel about Star Wars. And a great any other people I wager.
I miss the feelings Star Trek used to give me. I pine for the days of Picard playing his flute in a Jefferies tube, Worf singing Opera on the Defiant, or even Data trying to whistle. The episode of Picard living out a lifetime while stuck in a probe for 25 minutes is a feeling I fear Star Trek will never give me again. I still get choked up at the end when he reaches for the non-existent turbolift door button.
I started watching TNG in March 2023. After watching 7 episodes in a row, I thought it wasn’t worth ruining the series by binge-watching it, so I decided to watch one episode on Saturdays and one on Sundays. As of today, I’m on season 7, with 10 episodes left to finish it. Both in 2023 and 2024, it’s been one of the best things I’ve watched.
you have strong will, like Will
It's my comfort zone. Picards in charge, I feel safe.
Like you, I like to take my time in watching something. Binge watching over whelms me.
Fascinating
I am almost jealous, but since I'm not selfish not quite!
Never understood why JJ was a “thing” in the first place. I figured Lost was a shaggy dog story going nowhere halfway during season 1.
JJ Abrams is good at making flashy movies that make money, but that secretly ignore everything the franchises stand for, that also become albatrosses in the long run.
This and in 2009 when the new movie came out I remember thinking wtf! ships now sound like StarWars, they had changed the StarTrek sound. That stupid detail was the writing on the wall for me and then I knew StarTrek was done.
I watched that show waiting for that black cloud monster to come back.... he's such an asshole.
Fringe was really good.
Goodbye, Star Trek. I'm gonna miss you. You had such potential. But then again, all good things must come to an end.
I’m one of those old people you talked about. I watched the original series as the episodes aired. We were still watching reruns of the original series en mass in the common room of my college dorm and everyone would say, “He’s dead, Jim,” along with Bones. For us boomers, it was the characters we loved and still love - and the stories. Anybody attempting to revive or perpetuate a beloved show from a bygone era must do this with reverence for the original. Really cool green screen effects don’t cut it. It’s the characters. That’s all I’ve got for you today.,.. 😜
I’m 44
I grew up in the glory years of Next Generation and DS9
This garbage is NOT Star Trek
Same boat as you.
I miss real trek.
I'm a little older - 50 (in a couple of days! Eek!) I'm old enough to remember when there was one Star Trek live action TV show, one animated series and one movie (the cinema was full when I went to try to see STII, age 7, with my aunt!) I grew up loving the original series, anxiously awaited each movie, read lots of the novels and novelisations and was thrilled when a new series was announced. I'll never love TNG as much as the originals and I've been critical of Berman and co in the past, but modern Star Trek has shown Berman and his team got more right than wrong! Picard Season 3 has been the only gleam of redemption in the last 20 years of Star Trek. It was at that moment that I realised just how fond I'd become of the Next Generation crew and that I must buy the Blu-rays.
"Nobody gives a shit about it any more." This could be said about Star Wars at this point as well. Both franchises were embedded in pop culture, and the quest for corporate profits and identity politics effectively ruined both.
100%. Ending this video with a Star Wars reference was a nice touch.
Jesus, I actually got a bit emotional around the 5 minute mark.....annnnnnd then came the sledgehammer to the teeth!
Thanks a lot, man!
As you mixed short clips of old and new star trek, I found myself going back and forth between smiling and frowning 😅