@@JustMe-on3xs That motor is a dog lol. Even when I had a stage 2 cammed 103 it couldn't get out of its own way. Harley makes underpowered bikes and sucks you have to spend so much just to make a little extra power.
@@berube361 , I like all of the torque are cruising speed. I would say in 4th gear to 6th gear, is the best range that it cruises at. It's not meant to be super fast off a line, it's not a race bike, it's a cruiser. But I can overpass easily on roads or highways with plenty of pull the big motor produces.
Finally, somebody talks sense about the horsepower race. Harley loves it when customers want and pay thousands for a few more horsepower. At one time having 40 horsepower in a 61cu. in. engine was a thrill. Enjoying the low-end torque of a Harley is where it's at.
To me this is a video too justify Harley’s shitty motors. 1500cc to not make a 100hp is a joke, nothing to see a 16 year old handle a little 600 just fine. Suspension is always first but when no power comes from the factory it’s a problem.
@@bbdl7042 maybe ride what you want.. just go straight to the ninja it’s they make the fastest production bike right now… my 117 cvo runs great… I have no problem with you riding something else… but thanks for your opinion
@Thomas B oh well because you say so I guess… I assume you ride a ninja?… because they are the fastest production bike .. ANYTHING else is under powered… you are entitled to your opinion even if it’s wrong
@Thomas B ohhhhh no… the most annoying are the sport bikes… who have to pass on double yellow line… who have to go 100 mph everyplace… and who love to rev and hit the rev limiter… EVEN THOUGH THEOR BIKE SOUNDS LIKE A WEED EATER GOONG TO EXPLODE… Harley do sound good
Unfortunately for many Harley riders it's more about the pose than the actual riding. Everything you said was spot on; i'd do seat and suspension first. 114 is MORE than enough power, hell so is the 88, 96, 103, 107, etc.
For most bike (especially cheaper Japanese bikes) suspension upgrades are nr.1 bang for the buck. Better handling,more control, and better comfort. You'd actually be faster with that as more power..
I've riding for 45 years and recently purchased a 2022 Lowrider S with the 117M8 engine. Beautiful bike. Prior to this the most powerful bike I had was a Street Bob with the 103 and stage 1. The 117M8 gives you plenty of rope to hang yourself. The engine isn't the problem. The problem is a lack of respect for the power and the desire to test the limits. Taking the time to learn the bike and knowing the when/where/how that power can be safely applied is key. Rushing into power upgrades on a bike like this, especially for a fairly new rider, is a formula for bad things to happen.
I did just that, straight from an xr650r which is a monster in itself to a stage 4 2023 low rider s. The thing is an absolute beast, I picked it up on Friday and I can definitely see how it could create huge problems for a new rider. Been riding it every day since then and every ride is a win. I feel more confident in my ability to be able to ride the bike in a respectable manner, hopefully without copping any speeding tickets because it has a 💩load of power all the way to redline.
WOW! That was some truth and wisdom. I've been riding for 55 years, where I live there are a lot of two-lane roads with lots of corners and lots of driveways. Danger, danger, danger! My 2004 Super Glide with a stage one is all I need. Can I go over the speed limit? Absolutely! But, what's coming out of the driveway around the corner that I can't see? They say most accidents are the rider's fault. I think more horsepower just adds to the problem. If you still duck walk your bike you don't need more power.
I think this vid contains some of the best advice I've seen when it comes to Mods. Fully agree that the priorities involve fitting the rider first. That might take like a year or two to adjust, ride and decide what your riding style is. Very short stature 2016 FLSS here, and at 62, I am a sedate, sober rider. Even after I made seat choices, I'm just now contemplating a simple lowering kit to bring my feet closer to the ground for just managing the weight of the bike when parking or backing it up. Only motor adjustments are V&H Short Shots and an FP3 tune to accommodate that with the Scream'n Eagle breather (stock on the 110 motor). Ride safe, make good choices.
Absolutely on point. Purchased my 2020 Road Glide Special and immediately took it over to Zipper’s Performance. I had Zipper’s go through in my opinion, and address in my opinion the Achilles heel weak of the M8, the cam and lifters. Out cam the oem cam and lifters, in went Fueling lifters and Zipper’s Redshift 468 cam. 8,000 miles later, flawless. The only reason I did this was for reliability. And yes, the bump to 115 hp and 135 hp didn’t hurt either. More than enough power, especially where the M8 lives 99% of its life, between 2,000 and 3,000 rpm. The Zipper’s Redshift 468 is just a proven torque monster well behaved cam under all conditions. Pulls hard from idle past redline. Ride safe everyone!
The Heritage is hard to beat all around. The handling of that bike is just so good. It does around town, it does trips. The Heritage is a lot of bike for the money esp the 114.
100%. I had the HD cam in my FLHC and it just ran at all levels great, and can only imagine the 114. Recently traded for a 2021 RKS and that 114 in the touring frame is still wicked.
I have an 88ci ultra classic and just took it to the tail of the dragon. 600 miles one way just to get to the dragon. Bike rode flawlessly. My buddies left me behind cuz my bike wasn’t made for that but I had fun. I locked the back wheel up on moonshiner 28 hitting the brakes too hard. No abs. I also have a stage 2 heritage 114. Wish I would’ve taken it but we were gone for a week and I chose storage capacity cuz I only have the saddlebags on the heritage. Stage 2 power cam in a 114 shits and gets
My 2021 114 Heritage Classic doesn't even know we are over 11,000 feet in the Colorado Rockies. I've been riding for over 50 years, missed a few years in the Army overseas.
Been riding nearly all my life. I’ve been riding HD starting with an 84 iron head, 93 heritage two road kings now back to a 2011 heritage 96 inch. Enjoyed them all. I have to agree even that 96 with some Vance and Hines exhaust and tuned is all the power I need. At 62 I’m just glad to still be able to ride a few hours and enjoy the journey. Totally agree with your point of view.
Totally agree. Suspension, handling far outweighs the need for horsepower. Same age, not as quick and strong as in my 30's. I have my 2018 fatbob set up sweet with Bitubo suspension front and back, 475 cams, Tmax ECU and a free breathing exhaust. Thats all I need.
I agree, I did the same with my '96ci Harley and it was all the power I needed, and still need (even though, now, I ride a Heritage 114). My 114 is overkill engine wise, but handles great.
Absolutely agree. Too many want power and then get themselves into trouble on the road. Motorcycling is about the enjoyment of road, views and wind on your face. At least it is for me. Good info👍
Great advice. I've been riding and racing for just over 50 years. Lately I've seen a lot of riders on the street with 150 horsepower bikes that are better suited to 40 horsepower. Even at the drag strip and land speed racing . Jumping to 150 to 200 horsepower is huge and I've not seen many people capable of using or safely controlling that much horsepower. I'd rather me the master of 80 to 100 horsepower than a slave to 170 horsepower.
Amen to that brother. I'm 64 years old & started riding at age 11. First was a mini bike, a Chibi 58cc 2 stroke briggs and stratton engine then a 125cc Harley Davidson 2 stroke Rapido. I've had Shovelheads, Sportsters, Evo's and twincams BUT in 2018 I purchased a Heritage Softail 114cc. From previous experience that bike was a monster & all I did was add tru dual exhaust. Guys were doing the stage 2, 3, and 4 kits and I just shook my head. The Heritage got sold after 4 years and I picked up a 1996 Dyna Glide Convertible (one owner all original under 10,000 miles ) & a 2007 Ultra Classic- good enough for me.
I've got an Iron 883 2019, I got from a guy who put a lot of stuff on it, saddlebags, windshield, sissy bar, short shots vance and hines, air filter, handle grips, you name it. I took out most of it, except for the vance and hines exaust, which I really like, and like it simple, just the way it came out of the HD factory. Great channel, congratulations!
I think you’re right. A motorcycle that handles really well with less horsepower is far more fun to ride than machine that is overpowered. Like you say make it comfortable for you to ride, give it some decent tires, suspension and chassis. Then increase the power as you gain experience with that machine. These things have kept me safe and smiling on motorcycles for 34 years 😎
And I would add spending a little of that money on a good quality helmet - all the horsepower and torque in the world won’t mean anything if you crack noggin open.
@Thomas B More fun TO YOU. What is fun and or enjoyable is highly subjective and dependent on the individual. In reading your comments, you seem to be struggling with that concept.
I caught myself changing over time. Ten years ago I was chasing that "extravaganza" of outstanding looks and power of everything. Now, past 35, I apreciate stock more. Maybe I'm just more aware of how fragile my life is nowadays and just don't want to give it one more opportunity to end prematurely. Riding motorcycles is pretty dangerous nowadays anyway because of the other unaware drivers out there, so at least I shouldn't lower my chances of surviving with more power that I can handle. So, yeah. I agree with you!
@Thomas B If you ride you like you have some common sense, you should rarely, RARELY ever have to swerve or split lanes. IF you can't ride bike over 475 lbs safely and feel safe, then you are the problem, not the bike. Your skills are lacking by admitting that you can ride one and feel safe.
Great perspective and advice. I spent my first three years with my 18 street glide reducing wind buffeting, improving audio, moving floorboards out, getting a comfy seat, upgrading all lighting to LED for safety etc. until I finally adding a torque cam based upon my riding style and preference!
And thats why u have 68k miles on it is because the bigger the motor the less longevity on the motor. The 88 is more then enough power for our beloved American roads. Theres an old saying: Speed kills so its better to enjoy the ride going the speed limit than kill yourself going too fast. Always live to ride another day and ride safe my friend.
When I bought my Low Rider S (2022), I upgraded the exhaust and got it tuned. That’s all I will ever want power-wise. And, I’ve been riding for over 30 years.
@@RevJay_Rides My other bike is a road glide with a tuned crate engine. It leaves my stage 1 m8 street bob in the dust, which is okay because I love the power on the highway and through the mountains.
Great video. You said it right, people don’t use the power they already have and to spend all that money on something that they won’t use is a waste. It’s mostly a case of one upmanship. I hope your friend took your advice.
While I understand what he is trying to say in his video. I upgraded my 2021 Fatboy with a stage 4 producing 129.9 hp and 149.8 TQ. For me I like to cruise and enjoy a smooth ride however I do enjoy racing any type of car, other cruisers, and sometimes sport bikes from light to light. Also the Vance and Hines big radius exhaust paired with the 131 sounds so good. The loping/chugging sounds practically like a 454 big block I use to have in a 70 Chevelle. Sounds like it will die while idling unless it gets that next sip of gas!
Been riding for 45 yrs. This is the best advising video I have ever seen. Bravo Sir. Way too many guys and gals riding over their heads. See it every time out. Your advice is gold.
I’ve been riding for 18 years and I enjoy the hell out of my TC88. It cruises well at 80 and has good torque off the line. I’m sure the newer bikes are awesome but I’m comfortable with the amount of power I currently have. Instead of upgrading my engine, I e been thinking about picking up a 300cc sport bike and doing some track days to improve my skills. I think that’s money better spent. When I can throw a Harley around the way the Wyman brothers do, then I’ll look for more power.
I know and speed cameras every where! Got the cruise control fitted because of the constant motorway speed change's best thing i added to the bike. Lowrider s 2021 117 kit brilliant staying in second gear around town villages so no extremely loud exhaust. Screaming eagle clutch really good lighter than standard clutch which helped against hand fatigue. Have not changed suspension as not needed for me but I do change the setting when I take a pavilion. Got to say that the lowrider s is well planted on our roads highly recommend checking that bike out if you ever going to change your motorcycle.👍✌️
Forgot to mention the comfort it's very very comfortable using HD sundowner seat 6inch pull back risers handle bar standard. Grit pegs forward control's detachable bag's very versatile bike and soaks up the potholes with ease.
When you grew up with 74" Harley's, the 103's , right out of the box , are plenty enough for me. Most of this mod mod mod H.P. is social pressure! You are absolutely right Blip and thanks for getting it out there.
I hear you , my first BT was a 71 FXE in 1974 , IIRC Cr was around 7.4 :1 and the Evo's were what? maybe 50 HP ?? Then I got the 103 in 2011 and I said after 37 years (for me ) they got it right , finally .. This one has been cammed and exhaust , so I guess the PC term is Stage 2 😂 . Only thing I would change is maybe bigger valves ..
Stage 1 on my 103..agree, just fine, might look at stage 2 someday rather than buy new bike, but switch back for a ride on my TC88 when I want the 103 to feel fast again, and still love that TC with 70k miles..man, got it good actually!
Agree. My ‘21 Lowrider S is the best Harley I have ever ridden in my 40 + years riding. This bike is nearly perfect. I will do a cam, exhaust and tune. I just want it to sound better. Has plenty of torque and h.p the way it is, just sounds like crap imo.
You are absolutely right.. must HD owners don’t not have the riding abilities unfortunately… I’m a retired motorcycle p/officer i seen this guys having a terrible time controlling their bikes
Horsepower and Torque is great if you can keep it on the road/track/trail or whatever your intended terrain. If you can’t control your bike all the horsepower and torque in the world won’t do you a bit of good. Great topic. Thanks for putting out good videos.
Great video and finally someone tells it like it is. I agree you don’t need to sell the house for the sake of the bike. Just a stage 1 is all that’s needed. Air filter, slip ons and a tune and ya off. Your only allowed to do the speed limit and you’ll never use the extra horses anyway. Not to mention you’ll never get the money back if you sell the bike anyway with the thousands of money you spent on it.
Kyle I'm going to join you in the possible hate me category. First thank you for this video. I'm 65. I started riding around 9 years old. I've flat tracked, done tt's, road raced, you get what throwing. Yeah sometimes I ride like a A--hole, but I know if I'm in a accident it's my fault period. No excuses. This is where the haters jump on. Most of you can't ride. Yet you want more horse power to get yourself in trouble just a little faster. I have a very simple test for you. Now I know some of the long coupled bikes this is almost impossible, but go to a parking lot. Find a row of empty parking spaces. Back into a space. Now without going more than let's say five bike lengths. Ride out of the space and into the next closest space you can turn back into without dropping your bike. I can do every other space consistently. If you can't, what good is the extra horsepower? I ride daily in one of the highest motorcycle death rated cities in the U.S. Please consider a riders safety course. Like Kyle says. If your bike fits you will have more fun. As a result you probably be comfortable with riding faster. At which point you fall into your responsibilities. If you are in an accident it's your fault. You put yourself in the position to be part of an accident. Fit your bike, learn to ride it to the best of your ability and keep the rubber down.
Thank you for this very bold and practical video Blair. The 114 engine on my 2021 ElectraGlide Revival has more than enough power for me. I'd rather spend my time practicing riding techniques that Robert Simmons and Jerry Palladino teach than pursuing more horsepower that I don't need.
I ride a 900cc Triumph Street Twin. It has nice power where I need it. I definitely don’t need any more to enjoy it. It has been great as my “return to riding” motorcycle. I too watch Robert Simmons videos. Nice shoutout! Great content brother!
Great video! I think one aspect that was missed is that MOST people do these upgrades immediately after purchasing the bike, without really riding it to find out if they even want more power. Cost wise, it does make more sense to just go ahead with Stage 4 right out of the gate (if that is your ultimate goal) than to do Stage 1, then a year later do Stage 2, then a year later do Stage 4.
Been following you for several years and love your reviews especially the rides I'm 78 with an agent orange heart and no longer ride. ,this is one of my favorite. Best advice is KNOW and ride your skill level !😊
I like the extra power for touring. I carry a lot of extra weight, the extra power makes a difference when going up mountains, passing, etc. I don’t race, so a high torque reliable bike is what I like.
Some of the best advice I have heard in a long time . I have 2019 ultra limited that motor has enough power for what I do . Hauls ass on the highway drop a gear an go . Set the cruise kick back an enjoy.
I did a stage 2 kit to my 21 street bob and that's all I'm doing for performance to my bike. It has plenty of power for me to have fun on! Honestly to me anything above doing a stage 2 kit and you risk having more frequent mechanical issues. That's my personal opinion.
Depends if you do a better clutch and comp things stay pretty solid I’ve seen plenty of m8 engines with the stock fly wheel making 140 to 160 horse and still be reliable
what does stage 2 even mean, why not just say what you exactly change on your bike?Stage 2 could be just like "i put red stripe stickers on it so now it has 10 more WHP!!!!"
Great video. My 20 Street Bob has a 107 and I've never felt like I needed more power. Also I like my gas mileage with the way prices are headed. Like how you encourage education and safe riding, unlike my dealer that serves free beer at 11:00 AM. You peaked my interest in new shocks. May look into that. Just added cruise control last weekend and that has been a game changer, well worth the $460.00 installed
Great discussion, people (including myself) get caught up in the HP/torque game but we don't think about what it's going to do for the riding experience.
Definitely my favorite video yet! I have a stage 1 street bob 107…. Love it. Plenty of fun… never leads me wanting or feeling under powered. Spent my dollars on legends suspension both from and rear, thrashin supply bar and risers, saddleman seat, sissy bar, LEDs turn signals, alumacore grips, and Memphis shades del Rey windshield… 100% dialed
This video was needed. Thanks for the great content. I’m going to do a stage 2 on my 107 m8 until I get comfortable and then I might not go to a 131 or bigger it’s just what’s cool right now most people can’t ride that hard.
Always been happy with my Evo motor. Basically stock except for a Super E and Magnaflow pipes. It’s probably something unimpressive like 55HP, but it does the speed limit comfortably and is reliable, and that’s all I need.
Totally agree with you, it has turned into an "oh look at me" power struggle! 124-131 build it bigger and then all you hear is all the problems folks are having with what they have done to the bikes. Make the bike your own with the mods that you want and trust the engine the way it was made.
Totally agree with you. I have an '18 SGS 107. Bars, seat and Legend rear suspension all done. I did go with the H-D stage 2 cam. That's enough. That's plenty. Love long trips and the bike is perfect.
I have a 2017 SGS with a 128 Big Bore Stage IV kit using all Harley Davidson parts. HD Pro Street and Auto Tuner, upgraded oil pump & clutch, same SE8-517 cam that came with the Stage IV kit. I ran the HD stock pipe that came with the kit to keep my extended warranty but immediately changed it out to a Fullsac MX w/V&H slips. Dyno'd now at 140 tq/132hp. I started out with stock for the first 10,000 miles then did a Stage 1. At 20,000 miles, I did a Stage II high performance cam plus upgraded my front and rear suspension to Legends, at 30,000 miles my engine had some major problems and right when the big bore kits came out so I pulled the trigger to bump it up to Stage IV 128BB. I have ridden in many states in all types of weather (no snow) from the mountains to the ocean. Here are my thoughts: Thank you for making this video. Needed to be done with the interview of Kyle's point of view at the end as well. I have seen many comments of why don't they just make like CVO's with 131 coming straight from the factory. I also like to include I have test rode almost many, many models HD makes. Only experienced riders can handle the power. I don't have 40 yrs or 500,000 miles of riding under my belt but have progressed for the past 10 yrs since I got back into riding. First, yes there are other after market parts to get stupid power out of Harley's but I figured the engineers at HD corporation have the experience and resources to know what they are doing and seen too many with builds with aftermarket parts go bad. So far, so good putting 20,000 miles on the Stage IV 128. This is all the power I need for all around riding that I do and you have to treat it with respect. In the rain or slippery conditions, you need to be cautious. There is a lot of torque going to that back wheel. I have slipped the tire getting on it even going into 4th and 5th with ease. It rides like a factory bike for around town but goes beast mode once you get into the throttle. It doesn't like going slow. Not the bike for city or traffic conditions riding not able to exceed 30mph. It's most happy 40 mph+. I don't like it in tight 20mph switchback curves but the long sweeping curves is a blast. Is it fun? You damn right it is getting into the throttle. It just throws you back, the engine roaring, the exhaust screaming like a banshee, you're holding on for dear life as your shifting through the gears and the world starts passing you by rather vastly. It will get you to 100mph quick and before you know it. Not a fun bike to ride in group riding. A little bit of throttle puts you right on somebody quickly especially in curves. I beg to take last place in the group so I can keep my distance. Would I ever get rid of it. No! I will keep this motorcycle forever and keep it running for the pure thrill of it. If I got a new softtail or touring model with either a 107, 114 or even a 117, all I would do is a Stage 2 torque cam, after market exhaust from D&D or Fullsac, DynoJet tuner and Dyno'd (no mapping, get it DYNO'D), switch out the front and rear suspension for Legends and I will be very happy with that setup. Now I am planning/saving to get a new Pan American in a year just for different riding. I enjoy smaller motorcycles on the dirt roads, country roads and especially the mountains. It's an awesome bike and I plan on leaving it totally stock. Hope my comments helped out.
Hey I appreciate your insight. As a rider with a year under my belt and an advance safety course under my belt, I wanted to know your thoughts on stage 2 vs. 4. I want more power as I can comfortably go full throttle on my 107 street Bob. I want to be able to put all the power down with it slipping or doing wheelies. With that being said, I also don’t want to be disappointed after spending a few grand on a stage 2. I mostly ride from 45-65 zones and like to do hard pulls on straightaways or coming out of corners. Based off this, do you think I’d be content with a stage 2 or the stage 4 is the way to go? While I haven’t ridden any bikes higher than 150hp, I have driven really really quick cars like modded AMG’s and teslas so I definitely love brutal acceleration. I just want to it to be controllable since I’m only on 2 wheels
Learned the hard way, had a builder convince me to shove a 127" engine in my '87 FXR. It was no fun to ride, had to be careful on every launch and every corner, took away all its ride ability. going back to the EVO with a mild cam and a better fuel delivery. Now it's handling and riding better than ever with plenty of power that is ridable and not trying to kill you every time you launch. Great video advice!
And here I am keeping my bike stock cause it has more than enough power. Still stock since 2012. Can’t imagine having more power than I already have. 😎
Bro this is some of the best advice I’ve ever heard most guys will say “just do it, as long as you love it” more people need to hear sometimes more power isn’t better
You're spot on. Although I did go with a Stage 2 on my 114 RGS, I started with Stage 1, pipes, hammock seat, KST 12" bars, and Legend front and rear. It's set up perfectly for my riding style and needs. I'm perfectly content as is... no chance I'm buying crate engine, or heads, pistons, upgraded clutch, compensator, or any of that.
My twin cam 88 does just fine at highway speeds & can do a bit more if I need it...I'm good with that...I'm not in competition with anyone & I don't need to break any speed records to get where I'm going...wherever I'm going will be there when I get there & nobody can do anything that requires my presence without me, so why be in a hurry? If you think you're gonna be late, leave earlier...& when you blast down the road, you can't enjoy the scenery when everything's just a blur...I don't even need a 114...I'm even good with my 750 Honda & my 600...you don't have to break the sound barrier to have fun on a motorcycle...
I used to work for HD and got to ride a lot of the demo bikes circa 2009 when the new frame so support the Trike came in. The death wobble was gone. Suspension is KEY to having a better handling bike, better brakes as well, the bikes make enough power. It's a CRUISER.....not a race bike. Coming from a guy who's got a few track days under his belt and 25 years of sports bikes.
For the m8 I'd say a stage two for your regular joe is good, and if you ever needed to rebuild your engine then yeah go bigger screw it but right out of the box I feel like it's a waste to go full 131 for no reason. But if you got a sporty then I say hell yeah do a 1275 kit and let it rip🤷🏻
Blair Ive only ridden on the street for a few years and have already learned DONT push it ! Im gonna get in and take more classes when it cools off here in the AZ. GREAT advice!
One of the complaints I had about the factory H-D ST models is the lack of suspension. I would have rather paid the extra money for a race suspension than a bigger engine. If it is supposed to be a performance bagger, why do I need a BoomBox GTS? The Low Rider is the best deal out of the 3 ST models. But the 117 is unnecessary. Worse, a 107 will do 150mph on a Dyno. But they put 130mph rated bias ply tires on it. Even the 117 is limited to 115mph. Then use 16 and 19" wheels. WTF. At least put 17" wheels on it so I can use sport tires!!!! To each their own. But I am glad I am not the only one. I traded in a 2018 Fatbob 114 for a 2020 Road Glide 107. The 114 on a Soft Tail was dangerous enough stock. I have way more fun with the 107. Flame on........
A stock 114 wasn’t doing it for me. I fucking love my 131 on my Fatboy. I already want more out of it. I understand it’s not for everyone, just like I could never see myself riding a bagger.
I have my 114 RGS. I’ve done the usual basic upgrades, bars (14”), rear shocks, slip ons and seat. I love how the bike handles and rides now. Until I feel the need for something done different or more power, I’m good with my 114. I have to admit though, upgrading the engine seemed like my next step as that’s all I see from the social media groups I follow and friends I ride with. Great video and I will continue to ride with my 114 for the foreseeable future as it is more than enough for me at this point.
Something you can check out is the Red Shift 472 cam. I just had this installed on my SG Special with a FuelMoto exhaust and a high flow air filter and man, what a difference. I’m really happy with the way it performs. I’m kinda amused with all the comments about not needing this or that. It’s nobody’s business but their own. For bikers that didn’t want to be judged, there seems to be a whole lot of judgement floating around. I miss the old days. lol Anyway, take a look at that cam. If you decide down the road that you might want a big bore kit, this cam will still work. What ever you do though, don’t tell anyone you put a big bore kit in it or you will surely be severely judged. lol
When I get my RGST I'll likely do a stage 2 plus bars seat and such maybe even suspension. But I have been itching to do a insane sportster build on my 21 just for shits and giggles
@@throttleblip9854 get with @blockhead and take his hammer performance sporty for a rip lol. I wanted a 131 at first but I ride like hell on the highway mostly and I know the 131 come with extra maintenance so a stage 2 just makes more sense.
I've been riding for over 30 years. A month ago I picked up a 2022 Road King Special. Before it left the dealer, I had a full Rinehart Exhaust, torque cam kit and a FP4 tuner installed. I ride the shit out of my bikes, I have only found the need to use all the throttle a couple times. Being a tall guy I added a tall boy seat and 16" apes as well. Last weekend I upgraded to the Legend Revo A rear shocks. After about 500 miles this week, I can say they are amazing.
Too back this up , A good video mate would be a 114 stage 1 that most buyers do vs 131 on a simple 0-100 kph test from my research it is less than 1 sec , it seems that people spend multiple thousands for a more impressive dyno chart .
@@throttleblip9854 that would be a good video , stages 1,2,3,4 of dyno hp vs real world actual speed increase 0-100 kph or 0-60 mph on same model , I think it would really get people viewing and talking
I have added some modifications to my Road King Classic that has not only increased my torque and horsepower, but has immensely increased my enjoyment when riding. Speed and performance made all the difference for me and given me a new and fresh appreciation for my bike. I understand what you mean and what you're explaining in your video. Not all riders need increased torque and horsepower. Especially if they're new to motorcycling or they just don't need it. In my case I needed it.
LOL. With the exception of some TED talks this video, without a doubt is the most sane and practical video I have ever seen on RUclips. I have owned about 6 different Harleys but also raced super bike back in my day in the 90's. Friends tell me they are going to upgrade the horsepower and torque and spend an incredible amount of money and I would ask what are you going to do with all that horsepower? I then point out my old 2001 GSXR 1000 sitting in the back of my garage and tell them no matter how much money and horsepower you build on your Harley that $5000 bike over there will run circles around your $40k Harley. Great Video and message! Keep 'em coming.
Regardless of the engine being a 117, it's anemic from the factory due to EPA regulations. An engine of that size, with 4 valve heads, that doesnt make over 100HP / 110TQ is pretty mediocre. A properly designed Stage 2 will provide way more utility, usability, and confidence across the gears. More torque to offset constantly gearing down is never a bad thing, in my opinion.
Totally agree. I always recommend a stage 1 to EVERYONE and would say a good many would benefit from the stage 2. Anything after that is totally up to the riders ability. Personally the 122 in a touring bike or a softail is about as much as I could realistically us.
@@throttleblip9854 i agree.. i did the 122 on 20RGS.. i wanted to make sure i passing power when i need to get away or when its packed up on a long trip... the power is perfect....and it gets 48 mpg... great video
117 brilliant have 114 lowrider s but stage 4 117 it's brilliant staying in second gear around town with no need of constant gear shift. Plenty of stop and go scenarios having the upgrade clutch really really helps for the amount of usage and reduced hand fatigue. Live in the UK so roads smaller plenty of twisting roads and less straight roads. Speed limits change constantly even on our motorways national speed limit is 70mph but they change Day to day one section could be 70 the next 40mph. Also they are littered with enforcement camera's and easily catch people out. Get caught speeding you face a ban from driving and fines which is very very costly.
I could not agree more, I added an aftermarket Cam, Oil Pump, Cam plate and lifters to my 19 RGS it was a performance increase sure, but my primary intent was to address the weak links that have been identified such as the oil pump issues, lifter failures etc. So far so good.
LOL, love this! My favorite statement is, once you put your ego aside, motorcycles become fun. I enjoy every bike from 300cc up my built 103 twin cam, even my Challenger I just rode bone stock 4500 miles round trip to Key West.
I agree. I recently bought a fxlrs22 with the 117 motor. I believe it is more beneficial for me to grow in to my bike. Adding power to a bike you can't control just creates an opportunity to lay the bike down.
Well done and very well thought out. You could not be more on point. The power to rate ratio of the average modern day Harley is right up there with muscle cars. Who needs more power than that? Recently, I found myself having to make up some time on the Pennsylvania Turnpike. I got in the fast lane with my 2012 Fatboy with the 103 and was easily keeping up with fast lane traffic at 90 mph and more. The bike wasn't even breathing hard. Merging into traffic safely requires less than half throttle. For the overwhelming majority of riders your assertions were spot on. Indeed, as you said, money spent on training and other upgrades would produce much better benefits. More power should be the last thing on the list. Thank you for speaking out and taking a stand on this subject.
Absolutely agree. I ride a FLSB M8 107ci and more than enough with a stage 1 kit and Vance and Hines big radius. Absolutely 💯 % enough for everything one needs to accomplish on any public street.
Every thing was on point. At one point I had a 114 and every weekend I was finding new ways to push myself and the power on the bike. Then I traded it in for a road glide with the 107. Even thou it’s a smaller cubic inch but I’m still finding new ways to get power without doing hard engine builds. Now I’m getting to the point on how I want to build it and slowly adding parts to push it further and efficient with each upgrade
Been riding 30 years, had a leaky low rider shovel during college, built a Swedish long bike with an evo stroker motor in the late 90’s and rebuilt a 63 Panhead DuoGlide with hot rod goodies in the mid 2000’s and then bought a factory stock Roadglide in 2013. All have been all over the west coast. In this video be he nails every point. Wanting to enjoy a motorcycle people laughed and teased when I set it up the Roadglide to what he is saying, almost to the exact T with the exception of more lights. Etc. Visibility is key, and critical here on the highways, desert and mountains roads of California. One point to also add is I rode it bone stock for a couple thousand miles before making any changes. That not only helped me understand the bike but gave me time to think through what is going to make it more enjoyable and functional. It payed off, never had more fun. Thanks for posting, made me subscribe to the channel-
I’m the owner of a 2020 Road Glide Limited. My fifth harley. Reinhart 4” slip ones fro me the dealer at delivery ( not a full stage one’ no tune). I gained from past experiences that I would focus my upgrade $ on suspension & safety. I did Ohlins rears first year & a lot of led lighting. After 12 months I did the front suspension. I noticed a vast improvement over stock. As I approached the end of factory warrantee, I had a trusted tuner in eastern Pennsylvania do the stage 2, S&S cam. One & done. I am very happy & satisfied with the end result, My de-catted 114 has strong torque & post 43 mpg Plus. Great video , thank you.
At 75 with two artificial knees my riding days on two wheels are long over. After a 95 Classic triked out with the Motor Trike Trog kit I realized what I was missing for all those years of two wheeled "pleasure", stability and safety. Now I ride a 13 Ultra with the CSC Daytona kit and MY riding style is 0 to 75 at the most. I want torque, speed is not in demand. I like to arrive wherever I ride refreshed and ready to enjoy my "golden years". Thanks for the TRUTH 99% of us realize and practice. My condolences to the 1 % that need more.
Your right on. Can’t believe folks on Facebook that are planning to tear their engine apart and haven’t even picked up the bike yet. The seat especially is so important, grips are also important when your caught in the rain. Ride it as is then make your plans but no engine mods till your comfortable on it.
I am 2 years into riding a motorcycle. Thank you for the info. It makes total sense what you explaining. I got caught up in just modding it to look cool. The seat I got is uncomfortable to ride on group rides. I was going to spend the money to do a turbo kit untill I started watching videos of what it was like to have a high horse power motorcycle but not have the skills to totally control you bike. After your video I am about to start modding for comfort and taking some courses as well. But I will be practicing my skills often now as well. Your video is a great and you explained things in detail. Thank you.
I have been riding for 54+ years. I have built custom choppers for years. I currently ride a 2020 Street Glide Standard with a stock 107 with slip-on Cobra Neighbor Haters (have to have a little sound). I put an Ultra seat on for comfort and have an Ultra windshield for winter. I have installed a few other things for comfort. My idea is Reliability, Comfort, Function and lastly Performance. I can ride as long as I want and still have a reliable bike to finish the trip. I have gotten an average of 56 mpg on the highway (by the onboard GPS).
Perfect, lots of people need to watch this. I have a 22 RG ST, stock 117 is on the border of being to much for your average rider or even experienced riders. We hit the twisties hard here in SoCal. Suspension and brakes first.
Man you Hit the nail on the head, I try to explain to friends and customers all the time to get the comfort, handeling and egronomics down first. Once you have a good dialed in suspension (we all know how much the bagger factory suspension sucks) and your no longer loosing power to squating and you can corner a little hotter a good street number seems to be right around 110 HP and 130TQ on the m8s. Its crazy smooth and just gets the job done. And you can get all that with a good tune, exhaust and cams. No reason to get exotic parts that are going to be hard to find a replacement for on a road trip.
I agree with everything you said. Spending on ergo or quick shifter pays you back more. All these power upgrade maybe will save you a sec in real world scenario and of course bragging rights. Save the money for a trip instead.
Thank you . This needs to be said. I have a light weight, foreign cruiser. NOT a lot of horsepower. But FUN to ride! It handles, I've practiced doing cone drills. I am always moving my controls, handlebars, rider position etc to fit me. When riding with others, I don't get it. Their bikes weight a ton because they have to have the big motor. Their bars are so wacked, that their riding position has to change just to steer in the parking lot. There all stretched out on the bike and they look ridiculous. How can that be comfortable to ride? I can ride all day long and feel good when i get off my bike. I hear others complain about being sore. I would rather be comfortable, and out handle you, than look cool on my bike.
I bought the new 24 streetglide with the 117. I had a Honda 750cc with about 40 hp. The Honda was gr8 for buzzing around town and even in rural areas. There is plenty of speed. However, 40 hp is simply not enough to do a tour on. I would get on the interstate, and the RPMs would scream at 75 mph. Just not enough power for serious over the road trips. I wanted a touring bike with enough power to take those trips. The 117 is awesome! Took the bike on several tours already. I love it. I can set the criuse at 75 or 80, and the bike is barely hitting 3 RPMs. It's heavy enough not to get blown all over the road with enough power to take on any incline or pass when needed. Totally different Bike. I like taking long trips on a motorcycle and needed a bike with enough power to do it. Its all in fitting my own needs. Has nothing to do with being cool or aesthetics. Ride safe people!
We have a lot of things in life we don’t “need” but makes happy anyway. Though trend has some to do with it, this is relatively new territory for the average person. It’s exciting and fun. I’m all for it largely because of my background. BUT I also think there will be a lot of high hp bikes for sale at a large discount in a couple years.
I just subscribed...Don't know where this channel was hiding in the RUclips algorithm but I like the content. Good stuff. I traded my 2013 Heritage Classic in for the 2021 114 RGS. Plenty of power for my experience level. Only changes I really want to make are suspension and sound. Factory mufflers just don't give that BIG THROATY sound I like to here on my bike. I may consider a stage two upgrade in the future, but I need to get all I can out of what I have now.
Thank you for sharing your thoughtful insight regarding the horsepower, torque quest that has reached a point of questionable necessity. Yes, there will always be a person or persons that pursue the ultimate suicide murder cycle and that is cool for those that choose these ultimate customization. You are correct to say that most bikes are providing enough engine and thrill factor to make most pucker! I also admire that you suggested mastery of skills recommending slow speed maneuvers / practice. Personally, I own a screaming Eagle 110 and this provides enough excitement for the twisties and highways that we travel. Thank you with all our hearts for your thoughtful message, your energy and efforts to provide wonderful content to entertain and educate us all!!
I have a completely stock 21 roadglide limited. I am enjoying how smooth and quiet it is right out of the box. I did do the fueling vented dipstick based on reviews of the product. My 17 ultra did have blow by. It's got enough power for me so far. Added the heel shifter and highway pegs. Shorty antennae, and a new seat cover.
Never said I "need" more power. I WANT MORE POWER!!! The S&S Sidewinder 93"HC Hot Set-up kit filled the bill nicely. I use the power and have the tickets to prove it!
I always thought exactly what you are saying. Over the years I see ppl building power figuring it is a reflection of their ‘cool’ quotient. Next week, they’re laid up due to not enough experience to handle the power.
Thanks. I just learned how to ride in 2019. Got a sportster and was scared the whole first year every time I got on it. I've now been riding a sport glide the last 2 years and have become much more confident. Information like yours is really helpful. Good looking 👌
Great info brother! I just upgraded from a 2021 Iron 883 to a 2022 Road Glide Special... i just upgraded my suspension...next up is riding school!!! Thank you!!
This point of view is way over due and thank you for taking the time to do it and explain it so well.
I have a 107 street bob. That's plenty for me
@@JustMe-on3xs That motor is a dog lol. Even when I had a stage 2 cammed 103 it couldn't get out of its own way. Harley makes underpowered bikes and sucks you have to spend so much just to make a little extra power.
@@berube361 , I like all of the torque are cruising speed. I would say in 4th gear to 6th gear, is the best range that it cruises at. It's not meant to be super fast off a line, it's not a race bike, it's a cruiser. But I can overpass easily on roads or highways with plenty of pull the big motor produces.
Finally, somebody talks sense about the horsepower race. Harley loves it when customers want and pay thousands for a few more horsepower. At one time having 40 horsepower in a 61cu. in. engine was a thrill. Enjoying the low-end torque of a Harley is where it's at.
Physics 101--Torque moves mass... lol
To me this is a video too justify Harley’s shitty motors. 1500cc to not make a 100hp is a joke, nothing to see a 16 year old handle a little 600 just fine. Suspension is always first but when no power comes from the factory it’s a problem.
@@bbdl7042 maybe ride what you want.. just go straight to the ninja it’s they make the fastest production bike right now… my 117 cvo runs great… I have no problem with you riding something else… but thanks for your opinion
@Thomas B oh well because you say so I guess… I assume you ride a ninja?… because they are the fastest production bike .. ANYTHING else is under powered… you are entitled to your opinion even if it’s wrong
@Thomas B ohhhhh no… the most annoying are the sport bikes… who have to pass on double yellow line… who have to go 100 mph everyplace… and who love to rev and hit the rev limiter… EVEN THOUGH THEOR BIKE SOUNDS LIKE A WEED EATER GOONG TO EXPLODE… Harley do sound good
Unfortunately for many Harley riders it's more about the pose than the actual riding. Everything you said was spot on; i'd do seat and suspension first. 114 is MORE than enough power, hell so is the 88, 96, 103, 107, etc.
For most bike (especially cheaper Japanese bikes) suspension upgrades are nr.1 bang for the buck. Better handling,more control, and better comfort. You'd actually be faster with that as more power..
I've riding for 45 years and recently purchased a 2022 Lowrider S with the 117M8 engine. Beautiful bike. Prior to this the most powerful bike I had was a Street Bob with the 103 and stage 1. The 117M8 gives you plenty of rope to hang yourself. The engine isn't the problem. The problem is a lack of respect for the power and the desire to test the limits. Taking the time to learn the bike and knowing the when/where/how that power can be safely applied is key. Rushing into power upgrades on a bike like this, especially for a fairly new rider, is a formula for bad things to happen.
I did just that, straight from an xr650r which is a monster in itself to a stage 4 2023 low rider s. The thing is an absolute beast, I picked it up on Friday and I can definitely see how it could create huge problems for a new rider. Been riding it every day since then and every ride is a win. I feel more confident in my ability to be able to ride the bike in a respectable manner, hopefully without copping any speeding tickets because it has a 💩load of power all the way to redline.
WOW! That was some truth and wisdom. I've been riding for 55 years, where I live there are a lot of two-lane roads with lots of corners and lots of driveways. Danger, danger, danger! My 2004 Super Glide with a stage one is all I need. Can I go over the speed limit? Absolutely! But, what's coming out of the driveway around the corner that I can't see? They say most accidents are the rider's fault. I think more horsepower just adds to the problem.
If you still duck walk your bike you don't need more power.
Total agree with your last sentence. "If you still duck walk your bike you don't need more power."
100% agree, I also ride a Superglide, 2005, Stage one & for me, it’s plenty of power, super comfortable & a fantastic bike, never had any issues!
Hard to argue with this. Very good video brother! Thanks for the shout out!!
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A guy told me a long time ago “if you want a fast bike then buy a fast bike” these engines aren’t built for high revs
100% agree. Finally someone stood up to say what many have thought for years.
I think this vid contains some of the best advice I've seen when it comes to Mods. Fully agree that the priorities involve fitting the rider first. That might take like a year or two to adjust, ride and decide what your riding style is. Very short stature 2016 FLSS here, and at 62, I am a sedate, sober rider. Even after I made seat choices, I'm just now contemplating a simple lowering kit to bring my feet closer to the ground for just managing the weight of the bike when parking or backing it up. Only motor adjustments are V&H Short Shots and an FP3 tune to accommodate that with the Scream'n Eagle breather (stock on the 110 motor). Ride safe, make good choices.
Absolutely on point. Purchased my 2020 Road Glide Special and immediately took it over to Zipper’s Performance. I had Zipper’s go through in my opinion, and address in my opinion the Achilles heel weak of the M8, the cam and lifters. Out cam the oem cam and lifters, in went Fueling lifters and Zipper’s Redshift 468 cam. 8,000 miles later, flawless.
The only reason I did this was for reliability. And yes, the bump to 115 hp and 135 hp didn’t hurt either. More than enough power, especially where the M8 lives 99% of its life, between 2,000 and 3,000 rpm. The Zipper’s Redshift 468 is just a proven torque monster well behaved cam under all conditions. Pulls hard from idle past redline.
Ride safe everyone!
So you admit you know Harley makes garbage that has a list of known defects
Typical Harley owner
I’ve been riding for 25 years and I can’t really justify needing more than my 114 on a Heritage. Cruises at 80 like a champ.
The Heritage is hard to beat all around. The handling of that bike is just so good. It does around town, it does trips. The Heritage is a lot of bike for the money esp the 114.
100%. I had the HD cam in my FLHC and it just ran at all levels great, and can only imagine the 114. Recently traded for a 2021 RKS and that 114 in the touring frame is still wicked.
The 88 CI will also cruise like a champ. It's all relative
I have an 88ci ultra classic and just took it to the tail of the dragon. 600 miles one way just to get to the dragon. Bike rode flawlessly. My buddies left me behind cuz my bike wasn’t made for that but I had fun. I locked the back wheel up on moonshiner 28 hitting the brakes too hard. No abs. I also have a stage 2 heritage 114. Wish I would’ve taken it but we were gone for a week and I chose storage capacity cuz I only have the saddlebags on the heritage. Stage 2 power cam in a 114 shits and gets
My 2021 114 Heritage Classic doesn't even know we are over 11,000 feet in the Colorado Rockies. I've been riding for over 50 years, missed a few years in the Army overseas.
Been riding nearly all my life. I’ve been riding HD starting with an 84 iron head, 93 heritage two road kings now back to a 2011 heritage 96 inch. Enjoyed them all. I have to agree even that 96 with some Vance and Hines exhaust and tuned is all the power I need. At 62 I’m just glad to still be able to ride a few hours and enjoy the journey. Totally agree with your point of view.
now 70, had my motor rebuilt on my 05. I told them I wanted a bullet proof motor not a raver.
Come on dude at 62 you are just starting
Totally agree. Suspension, handling far outweighs the need for horsepower. Same age, not as quick and strong as in my 30's. I have my 2018 fatbob set up sweet with Bitubo suspension front and back, 475 cams, Tmax ECU and a free breathing exhaust. Thats all I need.
@@jackchristodoulou197 Agreed...from a 70 year old.
I agree, I did the same with my '96ci Harley and it was all the power I needed, and still need (even though, now, I ride a Heritage 114). My 114 is overkill engine wise, but handles great.
- When you took a deep breath and said, “I had to step in.” I laughed so hard and instantly followed your channel right after.
Hahahah thanks for the love!!
Absolutely agree. Too many want power and then get themselves into trouble on the road. Motorcycling is about the enjoyment of road, views and wind on your face. At least it is for me. Good info👍
Agree.
Great advice. I've been riding and racing for just over 50 years. Lately I've seen a lot of riders on the street with 150 horsepower bikes that are better suited to 40 horsepower. Even at the drag strip and land speed racing . Jumping to 150 to 200 horsepower is huge and I've not seen many people capable of using or safely controlling that much horsepower.
I'd rather me the master of 80 to 100 horsepower than a slave to 170 horsepower.
We'll put.
Amen to that brother.
I'm 64 years old & started riding at age 11. First was a mini bike, a Chibi 58cc 2 stroke briggs and stratton engine then a 125cc Harley Davidson 2 stroke Rapido.
I've had Shovelheads, Sportsters, Evo's and twincams BUT in 2018 I purchased a Heritage Softail 114cc.
From previous experience that bike was a monster & all I did was add tru dual exhaust.
Guys were doing the stage 2, 3, and 4 kits and I just shook my head.
The Heritage got sold after 4 years and I picked up a 1996 Dyna Glide Convertible (one owner all original under 10,000 miles ) & a 2007 Ultra Classic- good enough for me.
I've got an Iron 883 2019, I got from a guy who put a lot of stuff on it, saddlebags, windshield, sissy bar, short shots vance and hines, air filter, handle grips, you name it. I took out most of it, except for the vance and hines exaust, which I really like, and like it simple, just the way it came out of the HD factory. Great channel, congratulations!
Just found this. This is one of the GREATEST videos about setting up your bike. Thank you. Someone who gets it.
I think you’re right. A motorcycle that handles really well with less horsepower is far more fun to ride than machine that is overpowered.
Like you say make it comfortable for you to ride, give it some decent tires, suspension and chassis. Then increase the power as you gain experience with that machine.
These things have kept me safe and smiling on motorcycles for 34 years 😎
And I would add spending a little of that money on a good quality helmet - all the horsepower and torque in the world won’t mean anything if you crack noggin open.
@Thomas B More fun TO YOU. What is fun and or enjoyable is highly subjective and dependent on the individual. In reading your comments, you seem to be struggling with that concept.
I caught myself changing over time. Ten years ago I was chasing that "extravaganza" of outstanding looks and power of everything. Now, past 35, I apreciate stock more. Maybe I'm just more aware of how fragile my life is nowadays and just don't want to give it one more opportunity to end prematurely. Riding motorcycles is pretty dangerous nowadays anyway because of the other unaware drivers out there, so at least I shouldn't lower my chances of surviving with more power that I can handle.
So, yeah. I agree with you!
@Thomas B If you ride you like you have some common sense, you should rarely, RARELY ever have to swerve or split lanes. IF you can't ride bike over 475 lbs safely and feel safe, then you are the problem, not the bike. Your skills are lacking by admitting that you can ride one and feel safe.
Great perspective and advice. I spent my first three years with my 18 street glide reducing wind buffeting, improving audio, moving floorboards out, getting a comfy seat, upgrading all lighting to LED for safety etc. until I finally adding a torque cam based upon my riding style and preference!
Well said, I still love my 06 Road King 88 with a stage 1. Does everything I need it to do. 68k miles. Been riding bikes for 35+ years.
And thats why u have 68k miles on it is because the bigger the motor the less longevity on the motor. The 88 is more then enough power for our beloved American roads. Theres an old saying: Speed kills so its better to enjoy the ride going the speed limit than kill yourself going too fast. Always live to ride another day and ride safe my friend.
When I bought my Low Rider S (2022), I upgraded the exhaust and got it tuned. That’s all I will ever want power-wise. And, I’ve been riding for over 30 years.
Just don't ever ride the same model that's had a proper cam installed.
@@crvzer My other bike is an Ultra Limited. It has the torque cam, exhaust, breather and tuner. It isn’t as fast as my Low Rider S.
If I get the ST that's my plan. After warranty maybe a cam but don't find I NEED it.
@@RevJay_Rides My other bike is a road glide with a tuned crate engine. It leaves my stage 1 m8 street bob in the dust, which is okay because I love the power on the highway and through the mountains.
Great video. You said it right, people don’t use the power they already have and to spend all that money on something that they won’t use is a waste. It’s mostly a case of one upmanship. I hope your friend took your advice.
While I understand what he is trying to say in his video. I upgraded my 2021 Fatboy with a stage 4 producing 129.9 hp and 149.8 TQ. For me I like to cruise and enjoy a smooth ride however I do enjoy racing any type of car, other cruisers, and sometimes sport bikes from light to light. Also the Vance and Hines big radius exhaust paired with the 131 sounds so good. The loping/chugging sounds practically like a 454 big block I use to have in a 70 Chevelle. Sounds like it will die while idling unless it gets that next sip of gas!
chugging that motor down is just killing it off
@@harleyhawk7959 a 517 cam is killing the motor? I don’t understand?
Been riding for 45 yrs. This is the best advising video I have ever seen. Bravo Sir. Way too many guys and gals riding over their heads. See it every time out. Your advice is gold.
I’ve been riding for 18 years and I enjoy the hell out of my TC88. It cruises well at 80 and has good torque off the line. I’m sure the newer bikes are awesome but I’m comfortable with the amount of power I currently have. Instead of upgrading my engine, I e been thinking about picking up a 300cc sport bike and doing some track days to improve my skills. I think that’s money better spent. When I can throw a Harley around the way the Wyman brothers do, then I’ll look for more power.
Good thinking 👍
Really refreshing perspective. I do agree that there is a limit of useable power and here in the UK the roads are very unforgiving.
I know and speed cameras every where! Got the cruise control fitted because of the constant motorway speed change's best thing i added to the bike. Lowrider s 2021 117 kit brilliant staying in second gear around town villages so no extremely loud exhaust. Screaming eagle clutch really good lighter than standard clutch which helped against hand fatigue. Have not changed suspension as not needed for me but I do change the setting when I take a pavilion. Got to say that the lowrider s is well planted on our roads highly recommend checking that bike out if you ever going to change your motorcycle.👍✌️
Forgot to mention the comfort it's very very comfortable using HD sundowner seat 6inch pull back risers handle bar standard. Grit pegs forward control's detachable bag's very versatile bike and soaks up the potholes with ease.
When you grew up with 74" Harley's, the 103's , right out of the box , are plenty enough for me. Most of this mod mod mod H.P. is social pressure! You are absolutely right Blip and thanks for getting it out there.
I hear you , my first BT was a 71 FXE in 1974 , IIRC Cr was around 7.4 :1 and the Evo's were what? maybe 50 HP ?? Then I got the 103 in 2011 and I said after 37 years (for me ) they got it right , finally .. This one has been cammed and exhaust , so I guess the PC term is Stage 2 😂 . Only thing I would change is maybe bigger valves ..
Stage 1 on my 103..agree, just fine, might look at stage 2 someday rather than buy new bike, but switch back for a ride on my TC88 when I want the 103 to feel fast again, and still love that TC with 70k miles..man, got it good actually!
Agree. My ‘21 Lowrider S is the best Harley I have ever ridden in my 40 + years riding. This bike is nearly perfect. I will do a cam, exhaust and tune. I just want it to sound better. Has plenty of torque and h.p the way it is, just sounds like crap imo.
@@toolmaker5150After market slip ons like Vance and Hines Eliminator 300 give it a deeper sound and bark.
@Thomas B 👍
You are absolutely right, I stop at stage #2/Torque and I think it's a great upgrade, and do not need more.
You are absolutely right.. must HD owners don’t not have the riding abilities unfortunately… I’m a retired motorcycle p/officer i seen this guys having a terrible time controlling their bikes
It’s amazing how many riders don’t practise !! They still drag their feet and have to duck walk the bike.
Horsepower and Torque is great if you can keep it on the road/track/trail or whatever your intended terrain. If you can’t control your bike all the horsepower and torque in the world won’t do you a bit of good. Great topic. Thanks for putting out good videos.
Agree 💯%. My 2004 FLSTFI gets me around just fine. Did a stage 1 for sound and mods to make riding more comfortable for my tall stature.
Great video and finally someone tells it like it is. I agree you don’t need to sell the house for the sake of the bike. Just a stage 1 is all that’s needed. Air filter, slip ons and a tune and ya off. Your only allowed to do the speed limit and you’ll never use the extra horses anyway. Not to mention you’ll never get the money back if you sell the bike anyway with the thousands of money you spent on it.
It's all about flexing on the other guy. That's why kids ride sport bikes.. when they grow up and if they still ride, they'll likely get a cruiser. 😄
Kyle I'm going to join you in the possible hate me category. First thank you for this video. I'm 65. I started riding around 9 years old. I've flat tracked, done tt's, road raced, you get what throwing. Yeah sometimes I ride like a A--hole, but I know if I'm in a accident it's my fault period. No excuses. This is where the haters jump on. Most of you can't ride. Yet you want more horse power to get yourself in trouble just a little faster. I have a very simple test for you. Now I know some of the long coupled bikes this is almost impossible, but go to a parking lot. Find a row of empty parking spaces. Back into a space. Now without going more than let's say five bike lengths. Ride out of the space and into the next closest space you can turn back into without dropping your bike. I can do every other space consistently. If you can't, what good is the extra horsepower? I ride daily in one of the highest motorcycle death rated cities in the U.S. Please consider a riders safety course. Like Kyle says. If your bike fits you will have more fun. As a result you probably be comfortable with riding faster. At which point you fall into your responsibilities. If you are in an accident it's your fault. You put yourself in the position to be part of an accident. Fit your bike, learn to ride it to the best of your ability and keep the rubber down.
Thank you for this very bold and practical video Blair. The 114 engine on my 2021 ElectraGlide Revival has more than enough power for me. I'd rather spend my time practicing riding techniques that Robert Simmons and Jerry Palladino teach than pursuing more horsepower that I don't need.
I ride a 900cc Triumph Street Twin. It has nice power where I need it. I definitely don’t need any more to enjoy it. It has been great as my “return to riding” motorcycle. I too watch Robert Simmons videos. Nice shoutout! Great content brother!
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Great video! I think one aspect that was missed is that MOST people do these upgrades immediately after purchasing the bike, without really riding it to find out if they even want more power. Cost wise, it does make more sense to just go ahead with Stage 4 right out of the gate (if that is your ultimate goal) than to do Stage 1, then a year later do Stage 2, then a year later do Stage 4.
Been following you for several years and love your reviews especially the rides I'm 78 with an agent orange heart and no longer ride. ,this is one of my favorite. Best advice is KNOW and ride your skill level !😊
I like the extra power for touring. I carry a lot of extra weight, the extra power makes a difference when going up mountains, passing, etc. I don’t race, so a high torque reliable bike is what I like.
Exactly.
Not everyone has your budget Dave 🤣, see you in a few weeks ..
Yeah reliability is a big one for me. Car or bike I have to be able to trust it.
Some of the best advice I have heard in a long time . I have 2019 ultra limited that motor has enough power for what I do . Hauls ass on the highway drop a gear an go . Set the cruise kick back an enjoy.
I did a stage 2 kit to my 21 street bob and that's all I'm doing for performance to my bike. It has plenty of power for me to have fun on! Honestly to me anything above doing a stage 2 kit and you risk having more frequent mechanical issues. That's my personal opinion.
Depends if you do a better clutch and comp things stay pretty solid I’ve seen plenty of m8 engines with the stock fly wheel making 140 to 160 horse and still be reliable
what does stage 2 even mean, why not just say what you exactly change on your bike?Stage 2 could be just like "i put red stripe stickers on it so now it has 10 more WHP!!!!"
@@fs5866 it’s a cam dude not complicated
Great video. My 20 Street Bob has a 107 and I've never felt like I needed more power. Also I like my gas mileage with the way prices are headed. Like how you encourage education and safe riding, unlike my dealer that serves free beer at 11:00 AM.
You peaked my interest in new shocks. May look into that. Just added cruise control last weekend and that has been a game changer, well worth the $460.00 installed
Great discussion, people (including myself) get caught up in the HP/torque game but we don't think about what it's going to do for the riding experience.
Definitely my favorite video yet! I have a stage 1 street bob 107…. Love it. Plenty of fun… never leads me wanting or feeling under powered. Spent my dollars on legends suspension both from and rear, thrashin supply bar and risers, saddleman seat, sissy bar, LEDs turn signals, alumacore grips, and Memphis shades del Rey windshield… 100% dialed
This video was needed. Thanks for the great content. I’m going to do a stage 2 on my 107 m8 until I get comfortable and then I might not go to a 131 or bigger it’s just what’s cool right now most people can’t ride that hard.
Cool, but unnecessary (and often unwanted, in actuality)
Always been happy with my Evo motor. Basically stock except for a Super E and Magnaflow pipes. It’s probably something unimpressive like 55HP, but it does the speed limit comfortably and is reliable, and that’s all I need.
Totally agree with you, it has turned into an "oh look at me" power struggle! 124-131 build it bigger and then all you hear is all the problems folks are having with what they have done to the bikes. Make the bike your own with the mods that you want and trust the engine the way it was made.
Totally agree with you. I have an '18 SGS 107. Bars, seat and Legend rear suspension all done. I did go with the H-D stage 2 cam. That's enough. That's plenty. Love long trips and the bike is perfect.
I have a 2017 SGS with a 128 Big Bore Stage IV kit using all Harley Davidson parts. HD Pro Street and Auto Tuner, upgraded oil pump & clutch, same SE8-517 cam that came with the Stage IV kit. I ran the HD stock pipe that came with the kit to keep my extended warranty but immediately changed it out to a Fullsac MX w/V&H slips. Dyno'd now at 140 tq/132hp. I started out with stock for the first 10,000 miles then did a Stage 1. At 20,000 miles, I did a Stage II high performance cam plus upgraded my front and rear suspension to Legends, at 30,000 miles my engine had some major problems and right when the big bore kits came out so I pulled the trigger to bump it up to Stage IV 128BB. I have ridden in many states in all types of weather (no snow) from the mountains to the ocean. Here are my thoughts: Thank you for making this video. Needed to be done with the interview of Kyle's point of view at the end as well. I have seen many comments of why don't they just make like CVO's with 131 coming straight from the factory. I also like to include I have test rode almost many, many models HD makes. Only experienced riders can handle the power. I don't have 40 yrs or 500,000 miles of riding under my belt but have progressed for the past 10 yrs since I got back into riding. First, yes there are other after market parts to get stupid power out of Harley's but I figured the engineers at HD corporation have the experience and resources to know what they are doing and seen too many with builds with aftermarket parts go bad. So far, so good putting 20,000 miles on the Stage IV 128. This is all the power I need for all around riding that I do and you have to treat it with respect. In the rain or slippery conditions, you need to be cautious. There is a lot of torque going to that back wheel. I have slipped the tire getting on it even going into 4th and 5th with ease. It rides like a factory bike for around town but goes beast mode once you get into the throttle. It doesn't like going slow. Not the bike for city or traffic conditions riding not able to exceed 30mph. It's most happy 40 mph+. I don't like it in tight 20mph switchback curves but the long sweeping curves is a blast. Is it fun? You damn right it is getting into the throttle. It just throws you back, the engine roaring, the exhaust screaming like a banshee, you're holding on for dear life as your shifting through the gears and the world starts passing you by rather vastly. It will get you to 100mph quick and before you know it. Not a fun bike to ride in group riding. A little bit of throttle puts you right on somebody quickly especially in curves. I beg to take last place in the group so I can keep my distance. Would I ever get rid of it. No! I will keep this motorcycle forever and keep it running for the pure thrill of it. If I got a new softtail or touring model with either a 107, 114 or even a 117, all I would do is a Stage 2 torque cam, after market exhaust from D&D or Fullsac, DynoJet tuner and Dyno'd (no mapping, get it DYNO'D), switch out the front and rear suspension for Legends and I will be very happy with that setup. Now I am planning/saving to get a new Pan American in a year just for different riding. I enjoy smaller motorcycles on the dirt roads, country roads and especially the mountains. It's an awesome bike and I plan on leaving it totally stock. Hope my comments helped out.
You nailed it. I have the 131 in RKS. My wife has 131 in her RGS. We love it.
Hey I appreciate your insight. As a rider with a year under my belt and an advance safety course under my belt, I wanted to know your thoughts on stage 2 vs. 4. I want more power as I can comfortably go full throttle on my 107 street Bob. I want to be able to put all the power down with it slipping or doing wheelies. With that being said, I also don’t want to be disappointed after spending a few grand on a stage 2. I mostly ride from 45-65 zones and like to do hard pulls on straightaways or coming out of corners. Based off this, do you think I’d be content with a stage 2 or the stage 4 is the way to go? While I haven’t ridden any bikes higher than 150hp, I have driven really really quick cars like modded AMG’s and teslas so I definitely love brutal acceleration. I just want to it to be controllable since I’m only on 2 wheels
So your Harley was a pile of trash from the factory
Learned the hard way, had a builder convince me to shove a 127" engine in my '87 FXR. It was no fun to ride, had to be careful on every launch and every corner, took away all its ride ability. going back to the EVO with a mild cam and a better fuel delivery. Now it's handling and riding better than ever with plenty of power that is ridable and not trying to kill you every time you launch. Great video advice!
And here I am keeping my bike stock cause it has more than enough power. Still stock since 2012. Can’t imagine having more power than I already have. 😎
A zx14 has 50% more power than a pos Harley
Bro this is some of the best advice I’ve ever heard most guys will say “just do it, as long as you love it” more people need to hear sometimes more power isn’t better
You're spot on. Although I did go with a Stage 2 on my 114 RGS, I started with Stage 1, pipes, hammock seat, KST 12" bars, and Legend front and rear. It's set up perfectly for my riding style and needs.
I'm perfectly content as is... no chance I'm buying crate engine, or heads, pistons, upgraded clutch, compensator, or any of that.
Excellent insight as a new Harley rider I really appreciate that and feel strongly the same way. Keep on dropping knowledge my brother!
My twin cam 88 does just fine at highway speeds & can do a bit more if I need it...I'm good with that...I'm not in competition with anyone & I don't need to break any speed records to get where I'm going...wherever I'm going will be there when I get there & nobody can do anything that requires my presence without me, so why be in a hurry? If you think you're gonna be late, leave earlier...& when you blast down the road, you can't enjoy the scenery when everything's just a blur...I don't even need a 114...I'm even good with my 750 Honda & my 600...you don't have to break the sound barrier to have fun on a motorcycle...
I used to work for HD and got to ride a lot of the demo bikes circa 2009 when the new frame so support the Trike came in. The death wobble was gone. Suspension is KEY to having a better handling bike, better brakes as well, the bikes make enough power. It's a CRUISER.....not a race bike. Coming from a guy who's got a few track days under his belt and 25 years of sports bikes.
For the m8 I'd say a stage two for your regular joe is good, and if you ever needed to rebuild your engine then yeah go bigger screw it but right out of the box I feel like it's a waste to go full 131 for no reason. But if you got a sporty then I say hell yeah do a 1275 kit and let it rip🤷🏻
Blair Ive only ridden on the street for a few years and have already learned DONT push it ! Im gonna get in and take more classes when it cools off here in the AZ. GREAT advice!
One of the complaints I had about the factory H-D ST models is the lack of suspension. I would have rather paid the extra money for a race suspension than a bigger engine. If it is supposed to be a performance bagger, why do I need a BoomBox GTS? The Low Rider is the best deal out of the 3 ST models. But the 117 is unnecessary. Worse, a 107 will do 150mph on a Dyno. But they put 130mph rated bias ply tires on it. Even the 117 is limited to 115mph. Then use 16 and 19" wheels. WTF. At least put 17" wheels on it so I can use sport tires!!!!
To each their own. But I am glad I am not the only one. I traded in a 2018 Fatbob 114 for a 2020 Road Glide 107. The 114 on a Soft Tail was dangerous enough stock. I have way more fun with the 107. Flame on........
I had to add a stage 2 kit on my 114” to actually have fun. It was very slow stock. Mines a 21 ultra
You nailed it bro. It takes years of riding and wasting money for so many to realize what you just broke down for free.
A stock 114 wasn’t doing it for me. I fucking love my 131 on my Fatboy. I already want more out of it. I understand it’s not for everyone, just like I could never see myself riding a bagger.
I have my 114 RGS. I’ve done the usual basic upgrades, bars (14”), rear shocks, slip ons and seat. I love how the bike handles and rides now. Until I feel the need for something done different or more power, I’m good with my 114. I have to admit though, upgrading the engine seemed like my next step as that’s all I see from the social media groups I follow and friends I ride with. Great video and I will continue to ride with my 114 for the foreseeable future as it is more than enough for me at this point.
Something you can check out is the Red Shift 472 cam. I just had this installed on my SG Special with a FuelMoto exhaust and a high flow air filter and man, what a difference. I’m really happy with the way it performs. I’m kinda amused with all the comments about not needing this or that. It’s nobody’s business but their own. For bikers that didn’t want to be judged, there seems to be a whole lot of judgement floating around. I miss the old days. lol
Anyway, take a look at that cam. If you decide down the road that you might want a big bore kit, this cam will still work. What ever you do though, don’t tell anyone you put a big bore kit in it or you will surely be severely judged. lol
When I get my RGST I'll likely do a stage 2 plus bars seat and such maybe even suspension. But I have been itching to do a insane sportster build on my 21 just for shits and giggles
Will be a nasty RGST!!! I saw a Sporty with a turbo making 115hp lol. Sounds like fun!!!
@@throttleblip9854 get with @blockhead and take his hammer performance sporty for a rip lol.
I wanted a 131 at first but I ride like hell on the highway mostly and I know the 131 come with extra maintenance so a stage 2 just makes more sense.
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That’s my Fat Boy. Getting with Chris and Blockhead is good advice.
I've been riding for over 30 years. A month ago I picked up a 2022 Road King Special.
Before it left the dealer, I had a full Rinehart Exhaust, torque cam kit and a FP4 tuner installed. I ride the shit out of my bikes, I have only found the need to use all the throttle a couple times.
Being a tall guy I added a tall boy seat and 16" apes as well.
Last weekend I upgraded to the Legend Revo A rear shocks. After about 500 miles this week, I can say they are amazing.
Too back this up , A good video mate would be a 114 stage 1 that most buyers do vs 131 on a simple 0-100 kph test from my research it is less than 1 sec , it seems that people spend multiple thousands for a more impressive dyno chart .
Yeah that happens a lot!! That's a great idea for a video. I need to find a way to make this happen.
@@throttleblip9854 that would be a good video , stages 1,2,3,4 of dyno hp vs real world actual speed increase 0-100 kph or 0-60 mph on same model , I think it would really get people viewing and talking
I have added some modifications to my Road King Classic that has not only increased my torque and horsepower, but has immensely increased my enjoyment when riding.
Speed and performance made all the difference for me and given me a new and fresh appreciation for my bike.
I understand what you mean and what you're explaining in your video. Not all riders need increased torque and horsepower. Especially if they're new to motorcycling or they just don't need it. In my case I needed it.
LOL. With the exception of some TED talks this video, without a doubt is the most sane and practical video I have ever seen on RUclips. I have owned about 6 different Harleys but also raced super bike back in my day in the 90's. Friends tell me they are going to upgrade the horsepower and torque and spend an incredible amount of money and I would ask what are you going to do with all that horsepower? I then point out my old 2001 GSXR 1000 sitting in the back of my garage and tell them no matter how much money and horsepower you build on your Harley that $5000 bike over there will run circles around your $40k Harley. Great Video and message! Keep 'em coming.
Regardless of the engine being a 117, it's anemic from the factory due to EPA regulations. An engine of that size, with 4 valve heads, that doesnt make over 100HP / 110TQ is pretty mediocre. A properly designed Stage 2 will provide way more utility, usability, and confidence across the gears. More torque to offset constantly gearing down is never a bad thing, in my opinion.
Totally agree. I always recommend a stage 1 to EVERYONE and would say a good many would benefit from the stage 2. Anything after that is totally up to the riders ability. Personally the 122 in a touring bike or a softail is about as much as I could realistically us.
@@throttleblip9854 i agree.. i did the 122 on 20RGS.. i wanted to make sure i passing power when i need to get away or when its packed up on a long trip... the power is perfect....and it gets 48 mpg... great video
117 brilliant have 114 lowrider s but stage 4 117 it's brilliant staying in second gear around town with no need of constant gear shift. Plenty of stop and go scenarios having the upgrade clutch really really helps for the amount of usage and reduced hand fatigue. Live in the UK so roads smaller plenty of twisting roads and less straight roads. Speed limits change constantly even on our motorways national speed limit is 70mph but they change Day to day one section could be 70 the next 40mph. Also they are littered with enforcement camera's and easily catch people out. Get caught speeding you face a ban from driving and fines which is very very costly.
I could not agree more, I added an aftermarket Cam, Oil Pump, Cam plate and lifters to my 19 RGS it was a performance increase sure, but my primary intent was to address the weak links that have been identified such as the oil pump issues, lifter failures etc. So far so good.
The voice of reason. Finally a voice on RUclips who speaks to the common man on what is reality in motorcycle’s. Keep up the great work buddy
LOL, love this! My favorite statement is, once you put your ego aside, motorcycles become fun. I enjoy every bike from 300cc up my built 103 twin cam, even my Challenger I just rode bone stock 4500 miles round trip to Key West.
I agree. I recently bought a fxlrs22 with the 117 motor. I believe it is more beneficial for me to grow in to my bike. Adding power to a bike you can't control just creates an opportunity to lay the bike down.
Well done and very well thought out. You could not be more on point. The power to rate ratio of the average modern day Harley is right up there with muscle cars. Who needs more power than that? Recently, I found myself having to make up some time on the Pennsylvania Turnpike. I got in the fast lane with my 2012 Fatboy with the 103 and was easily keeping up with fast lane traffic at 90 mph and more. The bike wasn't even breathing hard. Merging into traffic safely requires less than half throttle. For the overwhelming majority of riders your assertions were spot on. Indeed, as you said, money spent on training and other upgrades would produce much better benefits. More power should be the last thing on the list. Thank you for speaking out and taking a stand on this subject.
Absolutely agree. I ride a FLSB M8 107ci and more than enough with a stage 1 kit and Vance and Hines big radius. Absolutely 💯 % enough for everything one needs to accomplish on any public street.
Every thing was on point. At one point I had a 114 and every weekend I was finding new ways to push myself and the power on the bike. Then I traded it in for a road glide with the 107. Even thou it’s a smaller cubic inch but I’m still finding new ways to get power without doing hard engine builds. Now I’m getting to the point on how I want to build it and slowly adding parts to push it further and efficient with each upgrade
I’m happy with my 107” streetbob. Plenty of power for me. Great video!
Been riding 30 years, had a leaky low rider shovel during college, built a Swedish long bike with an evo stroker motor in the late 90’s and rebuilt a 63 Panhead DuoGlide with hot rod goodies in the mid 2000’s and then bought a factory stock Roadglide in 2013. All have been all over the west coast.
In this video be he nails every point. Wanting to enjoy a motorcycle people laughed and teased when I set it up the Roadglide to what he is saying, almost to the exact T with the exception of more lights.
Etc. Visibility is key, and critical here on the highways, desert and mountains roads of California.
One point to also add is I rode it bone stock for a couple thousand miles before making any changes. That not only helped me understand the bike but gave me time to think through what is going to make it more enjoyable and functional. It payed off, never had more fun.
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I’m the owner of a 2020 Road Glide Limited. My fifth harley. Reinhart 4” slip ones fro me the dealer at delivery ( not a full stage one’ no tune). I gained from past experiences that I would focus my upgrade $ on suspension & safety. I did Ohlins rears first year & a lot of led lighting. After 12 months I did the front suspension. I noticed a vast improvement over stock. As I approached the end of factory warrantee, I had a trusted tuner in eastern Pennsylvania do the stage 2, S&S cam. One & done. I am very happy & satisfied with the end result, My de-catted 114 has strong torque & post 43 mpg Plus. Great video , thank you.
At 75 with two artificial knees my riding days on two wheels are long over. After a 95 Classic triked out with the Motor Trike Trog kit I realized what I was missing for all those years of two wheeled "pleasure", stability and safety. Now I ride a 13 Ultra with the CSC Daytona kit and MY riding style is 0 to 75 at the most. I want torque, speed is not in demand. I like to arrive wherever I ride refreshed and ready to enjoy my "golden years". Thanks for the TRUTH 99% of us realize and practice. My condolences to the 1 % that need more.
Your right on. Can’t believe folks on Facebook that are planning to tear their engine apart and haven’t even picked up the bike yet. The seat especially is so important, grips are also important when your caught in the rain. Ride it as is then make your plans but no engine mods till your comfortable on it.
I am 2 years into riding a motorcycle. Thank you for the info. It makes total sense what you explaining. I got caught up in just modding it to look cool. The seat I got is uncomfortable to ride on group rides. I was going to spend the money to do a turbo kit untill I started watching videos of what it was like to have a high horse power motorcycle but not have the skills to totally control you bike. After your video I am about to start modding for comfort and taking some courses as well. But I will be practicing my skills often now as well. Your video is a great and you explained things in detail. Thank you.
I have been riding for 54+ years. I have built custom choppers for years. I currently ride a 2020 Street Glide Standard with a stock 107 with slip-on Cobra Neighbor Haters (have to have a little sound). I put an Ultra seat on for comfort and have an Ultra windshield for winter. I have installed a few other things for comfort.
My idea is Reliability, Comfort, Function and lastly Performance. I can ride as long as I want and still have a reliable bike to finish the trip. I have gotten an average of 56 mpg on the highway (by the onboard GPS).
Perfect, lots of people need to watch this. I have a 22 RG ST, stock 117 is on the border of being to much for your average rider or even experienced riders. We hit the twisties hard here in SoCal. Suspension and brakes first.
Man you Hit the nail on the head, I try to explain to friends and customers all the time to get the comfort, handeling and egronomics down first. Once you have a good dialed in suspension (we all know how much the bagger factory suspension sucks) and your no longer loosing power to squating and you can corner a little hotter a good street number seems to be right around 110 HP and 130TQ on the m8s. Its crazy smooth and just gets the job done. And you can get all that with a good tune, exhaust and cams. No reason to get exotic parts that are going to be hard to find a replacement for on a road trip.
I agree with everything you said. Spending on ergo or quick shifter pays you back more. All these power upgrade maybe will save you a sec in real world scenario and of course bragging rights. Save the money for a trip instead.
Thank you . This needs to be said. I have a light weight, foreign cruiser. NOT a lot of horsepower. But FUN to ride! It handles, I've practiced doing cone drills. I am always moving my controls, handlebars, rider position etc to fit me. When riding with others, I don't get it. Their bikes weight a ton because they have to have the big motor. Their bars are so wacked, that their riding position has to change just to steer in the parking lot. There all stretched out on the bike and they look ridiculous. How can that be comfortable to ride? I can ride all day long and feel good when i get off my bike. I hear others complain about being sore. I would rather be comfortable, and out handle you, than look cool on my bike.
I agree. Huge difference in power from my 2003 Low Rider to the 2021 Street Glide Special. Don't need anymore HP.
I bought the new 24 streetglide with the 117. I had a Honda 750cc with about 40 hp. The Honda was gr8 for buzzing around town and even in rural areas. There is plenty of speed. However, 40 hp is simply not enough to do a tour on. I would get on the interstate, and the RPMs would scream at 75 mph. Just not enough power for serious over the road trips. I wanted a touring bike with enough power to take those trips. The 117 is awesome! Took the bike on several tours already. I love it. I can set the criuse at 75 or 80, and the bike is barely hitting 3 RPMs. It's heavy enough not to get blown all over the road with enough power to take on any incline or pass when needed. Totally different Bike. I like taking long trips on a motorcycle and needed a bike with enough power to do it. Its all in fitting my own needs. Has nothing to do with being cool or aesthetics. Ride safe people!
Been talking with a friend about this for about a year. It is so easy to get caught up in the horsepower trap.
You are so right. Suspension, seating and handlebars!
We have a lot of things in life we don’t “need” but makes happy anyway. Though trend has some to do with it, this is relatively new territory for the average person. It’s exciting and fun. I’m all for it largely because of my background. BUT I also think there will be a lot of high hp bikes for sale at a large discount in a couple years.
I just subscribed...Don't know where this channel was hiding in the RUclips algorithm but I like the content. Good stuff. I traded my 2013 Heritage Classic in for the 2021 114 RGS. Plenty of power for my experience level. Only changes I really want to make are suspension and sound. Factory mufflers just don't give that BIG THROATY sound I like to here on my bike. I may consider a stage two upgrade in the future, but I need to get all I can out of what I have now.
Thank you for sharing your thoughtful insight regarding the horsepower, torque quest that has reached a point of questionable necessity.
Yes, there will always be a person or persons that pursue the ultimate suicide murder cycle and that is cool for those that choose these ultimate customization.
You are correct to say that most bikes are providing enough engine and thrill factor to make most pucker!
I also admire that you suggested mastery of skills recommending slow speed maneuvers / practice.
Personally, I own a screaming Eagle 110 and this provides enough excitement for the twisties and highways that we travel.
Thank you with all our hearts for your thoughtful message, your energy and efforts to provide wonderful content to entertain and educate us all!!
I have a completely stock 21 roadglide limited. I am enjoying how smooth and quiet it is right out of the box. I did do the fueling vented dipstick based on reviews of the product. My 17 ultra did have blow by. It's got enough power for me so far. Added the heel shifter and highway pegs. Shorty antennae, and a new seat cover.
Never said I "need" more power.
I WANT MORE POWER!!!
The S&S Sidewinder 93"HC Hot Set-up kit filled the bill nicely.
I use the power and have the tickets to prove it!
Totally agree. Great video. My 114 with a Stage 1 and a tune is all I need.
I always thought exactly what you are saying. Over the years I see ppl building power figuring it is a reflection of their ‘cool’ quotient. Next week, they’re laid up due to not enough experience to handle the power.
Thanks. I just learned how to ride in 2019. Got a sportster and was scared the whole first year every time I got on it. I've now been riding a sport glide the last 2 years and have become much more confident. Information like yours is really helpful. Good looking 👌
You are correct! Low end torque in buckets My FL has grind marks on the floorboards and rear drag pipe. From riding a long wheelbase cycle.
Great info brother! I just upgraded from a 2021 Iron 883 to a 2022 Road Glide Special... i just upgraded my suspension...next up is riding school!!! Thank you!!