I heard someone say they think the spell is bugged and was doing the dmg based on their right hand weapon (if the seal is in the left hand), but I don’t have the spell myself yet so take this with a grain of salt as it is just hearsay
@@mkv2718 Both you and Oliver are correct. This spell is insanely bugged at the moment, it's nearly impossible to grab anyone, but if you grab them with it while casting using your left-hand, it applies the AR of your right-hand weapon every tick of damage. So basically it's a very highly inconsistent guaranteed instakill move. The only way I've been able to use it is by using very high poise to grab very aggressive and stupid hosts in the middle of a gank.
loved the bit where the guy thought you were using the cone arc madness attack but instead gets sniped thinking he was safe. funniest shit I've seen in a bit.
The fact that magic appears to be wildly unpredictable until it fires is a really scary anime like thing, raising a hand and fucking BOOM, you've been hit by lightning and depending on its damage all you can do is go "Oh, shit." That's a pretty cool but spooky part of the game
I definitely want to try a faith build centered around lightning and frenzy fire. It seems really fun, BUT I also have yet to finish my first playthrough, and already have like 4 builds made XD
You can maybe attack once, or go into weapon art would probably be best if he gets it off. But if he gets staggered once he goes in the blender with a wizard on artillery. Risky trade.
Do you have enough time to use your phantom fingers to relocate? Side note: I think From needs to adjust some of the invader spawn points in the open field areas, as you can often get stuck on or below a plateau opposite of the host, and often times the phantom fingers won’t move you to a better spot… sometimes they’ll just respawn you right where you were. The best example of this is at the grace site you first find in Liurnia at the top of the cliff- if you invade there it ALWAYS puts you (me at least) at the bottom. And hosts being hosts, they’ll often just sit at the grace waiting for you to show up even tho (at least as far as I know) there doesn’t seem to be anyway back up there without Torrent. If there is, it’s so far away that you cannot get up there in an amount of time that’s worth it at all. This is a shame, as this means I just don’t bother trying to invade there 😕
@@johnabney1921 dunno who "we" is in this context but I'm gonna guess it's for pvp. In elden ring (and dark souls 3) you can only matchmake with people whose weapons are upgraded to the same level as yours, so if you want to invade at low levels you have to also have low level weapons. If you don't care about that then upgrade as much as you want.
As a veteran souls player I am shocked how much pvp has been a struggle for me. I expected to go in and whaloop all the new players but these spells like moonlight katana fricking hurt and the consistent 1v3 don’t help help neither
Yep, all I can recommend are low level invasions (below 60), cause you will have much easier time if you build right. Past level 100 it's really hard to win.
Same OP, I feel like Megaman in a new sequel. Lost all my power gotta learn how to fight again. He's super skilled but I wanna see chase fight some of the people I've been invading, two casters and a skilled tank phantom, two bloodhound step great sword phantoms and a gravity caster host
I'm a new pvp player who hated getting invaded in DS3 but wanted to try it in ER. It was fun at first but honestly if I do PVP in ER at the moment it is by getting organically invaded. Facing 3 people just camping a grace and spamming spells and the shitty moon katana at me has not been fun to say the least. Though when I invaded at lower levels it was still quite fun
One thing DS3 did right was 3v3 player and host teams, 4 player limit with 2v2 being basically impossible is...... limiting.... you can only invade if you're ready to fight 3 players solo
DS3 was pretty well balanced and getting good with a wep meant you could beat a lot of builds anyways... Elden Ring has such a godawful amount of weapons, effects, armors with stat changes, etc. that I don't think there is going to be much balance at all. A couple weps are always going to over-dominate in this game. The curse of abundance.
I have no doubt its gonna get nerfed....Its so OP but not broken like curse or bleed....It should also have the potential to kill the player just to keep the scrub lord spell spammers from endlessly spamming it.
Madness is broken right now. Each hit even if dodged will build all status effects but the final hit can be dodged so it’s balanced in a Jank way. Madness however will proc no matter what, meaning you can go hitless against somebody using the spear and still suffer from madness. Definitely going to be changed.
@@2kill555 i highly doubt it's gonna be changed, this interaction existed in dark souls 3 too. Also works with bleed etc, except in DS3 you could the bleed proc, making bleed pretty shit in pvp.
@@2kill555 considerint madness is not as damaging as bleed, the stun & FP absorb gotta make up for it You have to not use bleed if you want dedicated frenzy
Madness looks crazy (pun partially intended) I'm very happy that faith was given so much instead of just lightning, definitely choosing confesor as a starting class
Inescapeable frenzy has been pretty great for me in duels, it's killed them every time its hit, generally by me poising through their attack. The most I've seen it do is 1900 damage.
Tbh it shud instant kill seeing as it’s a grab and super hard to get off unless you bait n get hit to trade ..and that can cost you a fight so it instant killing is it’s trade off
I cant imagine it being effective outside of some fool me once trick. You could cast a smoky haze spell, endure, and cast it at someone who runs inside blind?
@@Qwertype315 Yeah. Attacks like that, Sacred Flame and the Dark Hand are all moves you shouldn't use unless you think you're fighting an idiot or obviously trolling. Makes you wonder where OP thinks their skill lies, lol.
@@SpaceEmperorGenos after the buff it comes out fairly quickly and if you mix it with endure you have super armor through the whole actual grab portion of the animation. You usually do it to trade with weapon arts that have poise that people are expecting you to dodge. If you have crucible:flame if they don't die you can just full cast it and it will catch any roll they do, unless they have a fk ton of poise and a strong shield or time their light equip load roll perfectly, it's sure to kill. However yea its not something you spam, the good thing is that even if you miss the enemy will now be wary of a spell that can either straight up kill them or lead to an almost inescapable combo that will kill them anyway.
The best part about madness status is that its most uncommon ailment inflicted and players aren't encountering it that much for them to have stocks of moss that cures madness. Plus they cant craft one on the fly when in battle
Definitely didn't take long for it to become rather popular. My experience with being invaded is either RoB or madness builds. Every once in a while it's something cool and unique.
Love proccing madness with my faith character! Not only do you get a free stun, but a lot of casters end up trying to empty cast, not realizing they lost a chunk of FP. Practically two stuns in one against certain playstyles.
Inescapable frenzy is probably my favorite incantation. It’s very hard to land, but if you land it I’m pretty sure it’s a guaranteed one-shot. I’ve heard it can do like 14000 damage. I’d recommend using it once your enemies madness procs, since there’s a long animation. You can also use it against those people who hide behind the fingerprint shield.
Yes, infact, I did just encounter the Frenzy tower in PvE. And yes, it was the single worst area Ive found in 50 hours so far, and possibly my entire Soulsbourne experience lmao . Easily lost 20k souls more than once (I was killed by the npc invader about a dozen times, but finally brute forced him somehow at 5hp. finally raged and baited the rats at the bottom of the tower like 10 times. Ran up the ladder and "Rejection" casted all the summoners off the top of the tower to their deaths lmao.) approaching the tower went as follows: run toward near deffilade and get 3/4 frenzy. Wait till 0. Wait for eye to turn off and bait rats out with horse. Eye turns on in the process giving me 1/2 frenzy again. Health drops the entire time. Heal up. (Rats are cresting hill) one bites me and frenzys me, freezing me in place and cutting health. Roll away, heal. Rats stunlocck me and one hits me giving me half frenzy again. Eye turns on again in the middle of it all. Frenzied again, Frozen, 1/10th health. Rats are surrounding me again, stunlock me to death. When I somehow survived all that 1/5 of the time, I'd climb the ladder. Wait for frenzy to drop to 0. Climb final ladder, already at full frenzy by the top. Frozen. Summons stunlock me to death while also inflicting more frenzy. LAME.
I saw someone land, out of pure luck, the inescapable frenzy and it seems like it does a huge chunk of damage, potentially one-shots. Idk what their build was but they had no weapon so I think it was pure faith madness build
There’s a infinite madness build now using the dragon communion seal and frenzy shot. By using the dragon seal to cast fresh shot the madness build up will scale off arcane. And with 35-40 arcane you can proc madness with one shot which lets u keep on hitting them with frezy shot and procing the madness. You literally can’t get out of it and you’re dead within 2-3 shots.
Landing that critical hit with that one spell feels so good. It really melts your opponents health(if they’re tarnished) so I’d recommend some practice to get the timing down to other frenzy bois out there
Madness is by far my favorite pvp build, watching people be stunned screaming in pain is just the best. Oh and frenzied burst combos into the inescapable frenzy if you are close enough
Oh they learned. I dunno when this was recorded but I rarely invaded a group in the 10-30 range today that had less than 700 hp. It was a nightmare trying to ever kill 3 people with that much hp while they were constantly healing. These might be cherry picked encounters.
This is the build I’ve been running for the past few days too much fun. A fully charged frenzy snipe will almost always proc madness so you can try to finish with a crossbow if you catch them off guard
The Godslayer Greatsword that can be found in Caelid Divine Tower has Dex/Fth favored scaling as well(in case you missed that one) one of boss weapons is also quality faith weapon
One thing to note is that at high upgrade levels and closer to the 100-120 range, the Dragon Communion seal has lower Frenzy spell damage, but a higher overall Incant Scaling - and, most importantly, it's Arcane-scaling. For whatever reason, Arcane levels appear to contribute directly to Madness buildup from any source, including spells, resulting in Dragon Communion seals dealing about 10% less damage than the Frenzied Flame at the same Incant Scaling, requiring fewer total levels invested to reach that Incant Scaling, and dealing significantly more Madness status per hit. With the low(ish) Faith requirements on Vyke's spear and on the Frenzy spells in general, Dragon Communion seal is, level for level, overall better than the Frenzied Flame at doing anything but damage with Frenzy spells - and then you can fit the wide-area Dragon Communion spells in, like the rot breath spells, for extra versatility as needed or to help clean up or delay 3v1 invasion situations.
Since the frenzied flame seal scales with Int and Faith, I've found it pairs well with Sword of NnF and howl of shabiri. Use a dagger to proc endure -> Howl of Shabiri -> NF stance. Most of the time people panic and they can't i-frame out of the fire plume.
Would love to see chase use the bolt of gransax and the fortissax and lansseax spell, i can just imagine how panic would the invader to see a massive red lightning coming their way :)
The best method of pulling off inescapable frenzy for me was to use spam frenzied blast a couple times at someone so that they think I'm just a spammer, and then when they start to close in on me, I switch to inescapable frenzy and cast that instead. But because they think I'm casting frenzied blast, they see it as an opportunity to rush me and come right into range. The windup animation for most of the frenzy spells are all really similar so they can never tell what I'm actually casting. Works best on heavy strength boys with slow weapons, but if you have decent poise you can get away with tanking usually at least 1 or maybe 2 hits. Inescapable frenzy is also always an instakill and extremely underrated.
I feel like some of the more broken weapons like moonveil and night and flame sword aren't really broken if you look at how much more relevant they've made status effects
The Vyke's War spear is broken it can cause madness without touching you, even if you roll an attack that will put you in madness it'll still stun you and make it so you can't do anything for 3 seconds
I originally started my faith build with the intent of using lightning spells, but the frenzy flame spells are way more fun and interesting. And this weapon is also really fun.
Frenzy seems really fun. I've dabbled with it with the war spear. It's so crazy strong. I'm enjoying my lightning frost knight right now tho for pve. Its decent success in pvp too.
The only time I successfully pulled off Inescapable Frenzy was against a certain player entity boss near the end of the game. What was funny was that I used a Mimic Tear, and my Mimic did it as soon as the boss recovered.
It doesn't affect them with maddnes but Ive beaten morgott, Godfrey, black blade kindred, and more with pure madness including Vykes spear Essentially running a frenzied banished knight commander ATM having a blast lol
I had this idea to powerstance two upgraded vyke spears to stack the madness condition. To do this, you would need two accounts (or a really generous friend who'd give you their spear for free lol). With one account that has Vykes spear but doesn't need it (we'll call this Save A), summon a friend and drop the spear. Have them pick it up. Now load in Save B (the save where you want both spears). Go get the spear in Save B and then summon your friend and have them drop the weapon back for you to pick it up in Save B. Now you have both spear in one save and powerstancing, I believe, is better for a Dex build since holding a weapon with two hands scales off of your strength (correct me if I'm wrong)
Theres other really good frenzy spells like Unendurable Frenzy, and Shabriri's Howl. And if you lock yourself into the Lord of Frenzy ending, you do way more damage with frenzy magic and take way less build up for every attack you do. I recently took 3/4 of someone's health bar and made them reach madness with one burst shot in an invasion.
@@sayzin I dont have one, I just could tell an immediate difference after I locked into the chaos ending. Its noticeable. Although the Seal of the Frenzied Flame helps too.
Loving the game so far but it has a long way to go with “balance” I really hope they put their passion into the future patches and fixes for this game and not ignore it like past souls games that still need (fixing)
TIP: if you find that you build up your own madness too much, get the clarifying horn charm (and the +1 version if you can) to increase focus so you build up less
It's insane to me how many builds you've already put out and how consistently you seemingly just beat the entire damn game at RL 60 or even lower to get good talismans. Wild
I have a heavy faith/dex/strength build, and use basically only dragon and frenzy flame incantations with vykes spear plus the dragon lords lightning spear thing. Very much lot so fun yes
Watching you doing your invasions is so satisfying. I didn’t know how op that weapon truly is but then again anything you use tend to be op cause you’re built different lol. Still my favorite souls RUclipsr/streamer.
Madness spells have been really useful for bosses in my run. They stagger them quite easy and you get a lot of hits in, because bosses are so big. Against fast ones its tricky though. But i beat all dragons with madness.
Boss, you should definently try the Immolation/Erdtree Greatshield combo. The weaponskill on the Greatshield counters spells and shoots back a beam that scales with faith (I THINK). Immolation, (or its elden ring alternative), does constant fire damage, which procs the greatshield counter. So you constantly have a beam of high damaging counterspells active while immolation is active. Its actually crazy and i'd love to see how you'd use it cause, in my opibion, its insanely, and steangely, viable.
@@halcyon1644 realized i should had a spoiler tag or something Immolation im not actually sure about, since my build isnt actually focused on spells. But the Shield can be found by killing the Erdtree Sentinel duo in the Capital beneath the Erdtree. They overlook an Erdtree sapling in the main route. You gotra kill both to get the drop, i believe. Good idea is grabbing some throwing knives and aggroing them one at a time.
There's another madness spell if people don't know called Howl of Shabriri. It has a faith requirement off 33 though. Madness looks really fun in this game, find it much more enjoyable than playing with bleed personally.
They are gonna nerf all the cool stuff to shit, personaly i think they should just buff the normal stuff instead, if everybody is op in pvp- then nobody is op in pvp.. i dont wanna go back to ds3 combat.. invading wasnt close as fun when u have to hit them 100 times, cause they kept chugging estus- even tho u just hit them 3 times in a row for the 12th time.
The Leaden Hardtear (poise tear) and the Crimsonwhorl Bubbletear (converts damage received into hp) give you poise casting and healing, it works really well for melee casters especially if you have a long casting spell/incantation. Inescapable Frenzy is fast enough to grab people AFTER they're inflicted with madness and they have that period standing there holding their head.
Madness is broken right now. Each hit even if dodged will build all status effects but the final hit can be dodged so it’s balanced in a Jank sort of way. Madness however will proc no matter what, meaning you can go hitless against somebody using the spear and still suffer from madness. Definitely going to be changed.
You're missing the Howl of Shabriri, it's like the shriek that NPC invader does near the church of inhibitions. its a close ranger AOE that hits multiple times causing damage and madness build-up, a LOT of madness build up.
Madness build is for sure thing I will try to use. It's just so cool making your enemies loosing their mind and then finishing them with something fatal
Elden Ring is one of the few games I've been waiting for, but due to the fact that I live in Russia, I can't buy it. I hope this will all end soon and we will only fight in games.
I was doing this build and I just realized. If you get someone to become maddened you can use the grab move to INSTANTLY KILL THEM. Not even joking the grab does tons of damage and the maddened animation is long enough for the grab.
Not sure if you’re aware but due to de-Sync you actually get madness buildup even if you don’t Hit them and they can’t roll out of madness unlike bleed, meaning the weapon is genuinely broken. Lots of things from needs to look into/Nerf 👀
Just a little tip for anyone struggling with that draconic tree sentinel in front of malekith, you can use that long range frenzy move to kill him slowly and the only thing he’ll be able to hit you with are easy to dodge lightning and fireball attacks
i was having a real hard time getting into elden ring gameplay videos cause the open world and the horse confused me and everyone seemed to assume that we'd all watched the bajillion videos that were made even before the game came out, but the pvp just makes sense, i look forward to seeing you master every single little trick in the game
Chase! As a day 1 madness user, try using arcane with the dragon communion seal. The arcane scaling increases the speed of the madness meter like it does with bleed/poison.
14:53 oh boy~ people that utilize the mirrors, i do that too! once we get invaded i swap one of my trinkets with one of those. its neat to confuse invaders of "who's the real host?" or "Who's the real summon?"
But how cool is this ! Yellow flames of insanity affecting not only the target but the wielder as well. Love it thematically and love to see it in game
i wonder if proccing madness gives enough time to grab them with inescapable frenzy, and you seem to be missing one of the frenzy incantations, Howl of Shabriri
Frenzyflame Thrust is so good. It seems people are used to so few weapons having that much poise that it doesn't even cross their minds that they should avoid face-tanking.
Unescapable Frenzy seems like the perfect spell to use AFTER inflicting madness with the spear (esp since Madness is a long stun).
Oh shoot! I have to try it
It doesn’t work sadly, because both count as a stun animation so you can stack them, so you would need to have insane timing.
you’d probably have to one hand it to have the time but that would be THE combo
I heard someone say they think the spell is bugged and was doing the dmg based on their right hand weapon (if the seal is in the left hand), but I don’t have the spell myself yet so take this with a grain of salt as it is just hearsay
@@mkv2718 Both you and Oliver are correct. This spell is insanely bugged at the moment, it's nearly impossible to grab anyone, but if you grab them with it while casting using your left-hand, it applies the AR of your right-hand weapon every tick of damage. So basically it's a very highly inconsistent guaranteed instakill move. The only way I've been able to use it is by using very high poise to grab very aggressive and stupid hosts in the middle of a gank.
loved the bit where the guy thought you were using the cone arc madness attack but instead gets sniped thinking he was safe. funniest shit I've seen in a bit.
The fact that magic appears to be wildly unpredictable until it fires is a really scary anime like thing, raising a hand and fucking BOOM, you've been hit by lightning and depending on its damage all you can do is go "Oh, shit."
That's a pretty cool but spooky part of the game
so many people actually fall for that it's crazy, especially when u only use frenzied flame before and they think they can just outrange
I definitely want to try a faith build centered around lightning and frenzy fire. It seems really fun, BUT I also have yet to finish my first playthrough, and already have like 4 builds made XD
Me with that
1:faith
2:int
3:arcane
4:strength
5:dex...
You get it I'm max lvl
Bro same I have a lv 80 guy and decided to stop and make another character to try another fun build idea. lol
@@kermit1935 max level being?
@@djw7721 I know how to get high levek east
@@Kumire_921 Same as his bullshit level.. over 9000
9:56 You get several seconds of invincibility when you spawn in, so in cases like this you can attack freely instead of running away.
You can maybe attack once, or go into weapon art would probably be best if he gets it off. But if he gets staggered once he goes in the blender with a wizard on artillery. Risky trade.
Can confirm, my arrow went straight through a blue even though he took a step or two
Do you have enough time to use your phantom fingers to relocate?
Side note: I think From needs to adjust some of the invader spawn points in the open field areas, as you can often get stuck on or below a plateau opposite of the host, and often times the phantom fingers won’t move you to a better spot… sometimes they’ll just respawn you right where you were. The best example of this is at the grace site you first find in Liurnia at the top of the cliff- if you invade there it ALWAYS puts you (me at least) at the bottom. And hosts being hosts, they’ll often just sit at the grace waiting for you to show up even tho (at least as far as I know) there doesn’t seem to be anyway back up there without Torrent. If there is, it’s so far away that you cannot get up there in an amount of time that’s worth it at all. This is a shame, as this means I just don’t bother trying to invade there 😕
Can any of you explain to a newcomer why we are only leveling weapons to 4?
@@johnabney1921 dunno who "we" is in this context but I'm gonna guess it's for pvp. In elden ring (and dark souls 3) you can only matchmake with people whose weapons are upgraded to the same level as yours, so if you want to invade at low levels you have to also have low level weapons. If you don't care about that then upgrade as much as you want.
Madness build is really good when you raise your focus bc all of your frenzy moves give you frenzy, so having a resistance to it is nice
Yeah I put points into mind personally to increase focus and give me more FP for incantations plus the skill
7:10 the enemy whirlwinding the wall and then abruptly dying killed me.
Im pretty sure he didn't die, but just ended the attack on the floor
That thing is not dead XD
@@blueblade259 well, its not "alive" either...
@@mohandasjung this is Miyazaki we're talking about here, for all we know some poor soul could be trapped in there!
@@blueblade259 Oh boy, souls are the best renewable energy ever, just getting them can be a bit... brutal.
What really makes the spear so good, is that with the ash of war you got a kill confirm at any HP once they are frenzied.
yeah bro thats the entire win condition of the weapon
As a veteran souls player I am shocked how much pvp has been a struggle for me. I expected to go in and whaloop all the new players but these spells like moonlight katana fricking hurt and the consistent 1v3 don’t help help neither
Yep, all I can recommend are low level invasions (below 60), cause you will have much easier time if you build right. Past level 100 it's really hard to win.
Same OP, I feel like Megaman in a new sequel. Lost all my power gotta learn how to fight again. He's super skilled but I wanna see chase fight some of the people I've been invading, two casters and a skilled tank phantom, two bloodhound step great sword phantoms and a gravity caster host
I'm a new pvp player who hated getting invaded in DS3 but wanted to try it in ER. It was fun at first but honestly if I do PVP in ER at the moment it is by getting organically invaded. Facing 3 people just camping a grace and spamming spells and the shitty moon katana at me has not been fun to say the least. Though when I invaded at lower levels it was still quite fun
One thing DS3 did right was 3v3 player and host teams, 4 player limit with 2v2 being basically impossible is...... limiting.... you can only invade if you're ready to fight 3 players solo
DS3 was pretty well balanced and getting good with a wep meant you could beat a lot of builds anyways... Elden Ring has such a godawful amount of weapons, effects, armors with stat changes, etc. that I don't think there is going to be much balance at all. A couple weps are always going to over-dominate in this game. The curse of abundance.
As a longtime enjoyer of watching ds3 pvp, elden ring pvp is much more entertaining. Seeing the cool magic be so effective is amazing.
Madness is looking pretty crazy, the pvp in this game looks very very fun
They prolly gon nerf this into the ground tho
I have no doubt its gonna get nerfed....Its so OP but not broken like curse or bleed....It should also have the potential to kill the player just to keep the scrub lord spell spammers from endlessly spamming it.
Madness is broken right now. Each hit even if dodged will build all status effects but the final hit can be dodged so it’s balanced in a Jank way. Madness however will proc no matter what, meaning you can go hitless against somebody using the spear and still suffer from madness. Definitely going to be changed.
@@2kill555 i highly doubt it's gonna be changed, this interaction existed in dark souls 3 too. Also works with bleed etc, except in DS3 you could the bleed proc, making bleed pretty shit in pvp.
@@2kill555 considerint madness is not as damaging as bleed, the stun & FP absorb gotta make up for it
You have to not use bleed if you want dedicated frenzy
Madness looks crazy (pun partially intended) I'm very happy that faith was given so much instead of just lightning, definitely choosing confesor as a starting class
Frenzy is actually something for arcane
@@adelynn3501 big sadge but does it scale from arcane? Or is it just a requirement? OR is it like a faith/arcane quality?
@@chameleon_guy6110 it isn't a requirement but the buildup scales with arcane just like blood
@@adelynn3501 I get u
Its more for a prophet
ITS MADDENING how strong this build is
Inescapeable frenzy has been pretty great for me in duels, it's killed them every time its hit, generally by me poising through their attack. The most I've seen it do is 1900 damage.
Tbh it shud instant kill seeing as it’s a grab and super hard to get off unless you bait n get hit to trade ..and that can cost you a fight so it instant killing is it’s trade off
I cant imagine it being effective outside of some fool me once trick. You could cast a smoky haze spell, endure, and cast it at someone who runs inside blind?
@@Qwertype315 Yeah. Attacks like that, Sacred Flame and the Dark Hand are all moves you shouldn't use unless you think you're fighting an idiot or obviously trolling.
Makes you wonder where OP thinks their skill lies, lol.
@@SpaceEmperorGenos after the buff it comes out fairly quickly and if you mix it with endure you have super armor through the whole actual grab portion of the animation. You usually do it to trade with weapon arts that have poise that people are expecting you to dodge. If you have crucible:flame if they don't die you can just full cast it and it will catch any roll they do, unless they have a fk ton of poise and a strong shield or time their light equip load roll perfectly, it's sure to kill. However yea its not something you spam, the good thing is that even if you miss the enemy will now be wary of a spell that can either straight up kill them or lead to an almost inescapable combo that will kill them anyway.
The best part about madness status is that its most uncommon ailment inflicted and players aren't encountering it that much for them to have stocks of moss that cures madness. Plus they cant craft one on the fly when in battle
Definitely didn't take long for it to become rather popular. My experience with being invaded is either RoB or madness builds. Every once in a while it's something cool and unique.
its insanely popular. about every other player uses this. and my perspective is from release.
my comment didn't really aged well since this was like early March
@@CM-iz5ny This isn't even remotely true.
@@Gankstomper if I invade 3 times, one of those times is a madness build. On an off day its 1 in 5.
Love proccing madness with my faith character! Not only do you get a free stun, but a lot of casters end up trying to empty cast, not realizing they lost a chunk of FP. Practically two stuns in one against certain playstyles.
Some one needs to start a counter for how many moon veils appear
Rotten breath has been working for me 20 faith 50 arcane
@@JoeDeerTay7667 what weapon do you use for a build like that?
@@square7744 with 50 arcane and dragon spells who needs a weapon
@@square7744 Godpeel (lategame) with bleed
@@QCforever no no no
With occult
Love the different death animation and screaming. Please do more build-up builds.
Inescapable frenzy is probably my favorite incantation. It’s very hard to land, but if you land it I’m pretty sure it’s a guaranteed one-shot. I’ve heard it can do like 14000 damage. I’d recommend using it once your enemies madness procs, since there’s a long animation. You can also use it against those people who hide behind the fingerprint shield.
You can do a running charge attack if you dual wield, which is a saving grace for the pretty bad moveset
Yes, infact, I did just encounter the Frenzy tower in PvE. And yes, it was the single worst area Ive found in 50 hours so far, and possibly my entire Soulsbourne experience lmao . Easily lost 20k souls more than once
(I was killed by the npc invader about a dozen times, but finally brute forced him somehow at 5hp. finally raged and baited the rats at the bottom of the tower like 10 times. Ran up the ladder and "Rejection" casted all the summoners off the top of the tower to their deaths lmao.)
approaching the tower went as follows: run toward near deffilade and get 3/4 frenzy. Wait till 0. Wait for eye to turn off and bait rats out with horse. Eye turns on in the process giving me 1/2 frenzy again. Health drops the entire time. Heal up. (Rats are cresting hill) one bites me and frenzys me, freezing me in place and cutting health. Roll away, heal. Rats stunlocck me and one hits me giving me half frenzy again. Eye turns on again in the middle of it all. Frenzied again, Frozen, 1/10th health. Rats are surrounding me again, stunlock me to death. When I somehow survived all that 1/5 of the time, I'd climb the ladder. Wait for frenzy to drop to 0. Climb final ladder, already at full frenzy by the top. Frozen. Summons stunlock me to death while also inflicting more frenzy.
LAME.
BE-GONE THOTS! Lol. They got what they deserved
Git gud
You can actually just kill the Eye that spread the madness by going there and killing the 4 priest on top of the tower ahah
You guys remember the eye of mensis?
@@AshenKing97 it was so satisfying
You know I just realized, new armor sets and weapons mean more cosplay potential!
I saw someone land, out of pure luck, the inescapable frenzy and it seems like it does a huge chunk of damage, potentially one-shots. Idk what their build was but they had no weapon so I think it was pure faith madness build
Managed to deal exactly 1600 damage. Tested it on a friend. First time one shotted him, then we lvld up a lot it became survivable.
@@theblackbaron4119 mines does 2600+ damage
There’s a infinite madness build now using the dragon communion seal and frenzy shot. By using the dragon seal to cast fresh shot the madness build up will scale off arcane. And with 35-40 arcane you can proc madness with one shot which lets u keep on hitting them with frezy shot and procing the madness. You literally can’t get out of it and you’re dead within 2-3 shots.
Landing that critical hit with that one spell feels so good. It really melts your opponents health(if they’re tarnished) so I’d recommend some practice to get the timing down to other frenzy bois out there
Madness is by far my favorite pvp build, watching people be stunned screaming in pain is just the best.
Oh and frenzied burst combos into the inescapable frenzy if you are close enough
Damn, I'm glad that faith spells are finally coming in the spotlight. Madness build looks insane!
Madness spells andbuildup actually scales with arcane and they're much more effective with the dragon communion seal
@@adelynn3501 Arcane Madness: blood, dragon, and madness looks like the way to go for an Arcane build.
I noticed that the frenzyflame thrust is in the shape of the three fingers as well, pretty cool detail there
Its amazing how all the new players dont understand that you have to lvl up your vigor
Oh they learned. I dunno when this was recorded but I rarely invaded a group in the 10-30 range today that had less than 700 hp. It was a nightmare trying to ever kill 3 people with that much hp while they were constantly healing. These might be cherry picked encounters.
Nah, just learn to dodge.
Agreed ! I always met people with less than 1000 HP ! Even at level 120 I still met a few... 🤣
This is the build I’ve been running for the past few days too much fun. A fully charged frenzy snipe will almost always proc madness so you can try to finish with a crossbow if you catch them off guard
The Godslayer Greatsword that can be found in Caelid Divine Tower has Dex/Fth favored scaling as well(in case you missed that one) one of boss weapons is also quality faith weapon
I'd imagine to use inescapable frenzy you want to inflict madness and then while they're stunned grab them with that attack.
It doesn’t work the madness when it proves gives grab poise and won’t connect
@@middleagepeasant2291 Bummer, really feels like a bad incantation then tbh... Would be a niche PvP incantation if you used it with Vykes spear
Blarb Blarb it isn’t useless very many times overly aggressive player run into my grasp and get their brains blown out the back of their head with it
the crimson rot effect is the worst to deal with, madness can mess you up, but the rot will drain your hp so fast.
there are cures but most players ignore crafting lol
@@EihaMudo
THAT makes the build so effective is because nobody bothers to bring an antidote for it.
@@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx I started keeping them on me after a bad experience with 2 guys spamming rot breath.
Rot breath, and frenzy of madness with some ancient dragon lightning spells, and a mimic tear. Dunk on most bosses except for malenis so far
@@joshbryan2230 what stats do you use for that?
When that dude just starts spinning his staff and u where ..what? I couldn’t stop laughing 😂
One thing to note is that at high upgrade levels and closer to the 100-120 range, the Dragon Communion seal has lower Frenzy spell damage, but a higher overall Incant Scaling - and, most importantly, it's Arcane-scaling. For whatever reason, Arcane levels appear to contribute directly to Madness buildup from any source, including spells, resulting in Dragon Communion seals dealing about 10% less damage than the Frenzied Flame at the same Incant Scaling, requiring fewer total levels invested to reach that Incant Scaling, and dealing significantly more Madness status per hit.
With the low(ish) Faith requirements on Vyke's spear and on the Frenzy spells in general, Dragon Communion seal is, level for level, overall better than the Frenzied Flame at doing anything but damage with Frenzy spells - and then you can fit the wide-area Dragon Communion spells in, like the rot breath spells, for extra versatility as needed or to help clean up or delay 3v1 invasion situations.
Would be funny if 2 madness builds go against each other lol
Since the frenzied flame seal scales with Int and Faith, I've found it pairs well with Sword of NnF and howl of shabiri. Use a dagger to proc endure -> Howl of Shabiri -> NF stance. Most of the time people panic and they can't i-frame out of the fire plume.
Or just tired of people using the same weapons?
@@name5293 hey they're the ones who invade me with their moonveils and their rivers of blood.
Vyke and Erdtree Greatshield are both obscenely strong, but I feel so dirty using them 😂
That dude with the greatsword and claw wasnt too shabby lmao
Would love to see chase use the bolt of gransax and the fortissax and lansseax spell, i can just imagine how panic would the invader to see a massive red lightning coming their way :)
“The madness continues… get yo ass back here” lol 😂 I’m dead
Hey chase, the crouching r1 is the same as the runnng r1. Might come in useful as it's quicker and easier to pull off in a melee.
What weapon are you talking about? Because that's not the case for most weapons, unless you mean rolling r1.
@@cheetoh3149 I did, in fact, mean rolling r1 and didn't notice I'd used entirely the wrong word...
I love it, you're basically playing as a Soul Eater villain.
Final Boss
Weapon is broken even when u miss still builds up madness😂
The best method of pulling off inescapable frenzy for me was to use spam frenzied blast a couple times at someone so that they think I'm just a spammer, and then when they start to close in on me, I switch to inescapable frenzy and cast that instead. But because they think I'm casting frenzied blast, they see it as an opportunity to rush me and come right into range. The windup animation for most of the frenzy spells are all really similar so they can never tell what I'm actually casting. Works best on heavy strength boys with slow weapons, but if you have decent poise you can get away with tanking usually at least 1 or maybe 2 hits. Inescapable frenzy is also always an instakill and extremely underrated.
I feel like some of the more broken weapons like moonveil and night and flame sword aren't really broken if you look at how much more relevant they've made status effects
2 madness builds fighting sounds hilarious because everything madness related build it up on the user as well as the target
The Vyke's War spear is broken it can cause madness without touching you, even if you roll an attack that will put you in madness it'll still stun you and make it so you can't do anything for 3 seconds
I originally started my faith build with the intent of using lightning spells, but the frenzy flame spells are way more fun and interesting. And this weapon is also really fun.
I've used the basic finger seal because of how much swapping I'm doing lol. Faith really does have some fun options this go around!!
Guard counter with it you won’t regret it
Frenzy seems really fun. I've dabbled with it with the war spear. It's so crazy strong.
I'm enjoying my lightning frost knight right now tho for pve. Its decent success in pvp too.
The only time I successfully pulled off Inescapable Frenzy was against a certain player entity boss near the end of the game. What was funny was that I used a Mimic Tear, and my Mimic did it as soon as the boss recovered.
Really loving this spear. It's a shame bosses can't be affected by madness, it makes this weapon unusually ethical in PvE.
They get staggered by it though. I used madness to beat all the dragons
@@winterh46334 They probably just got staggered normally though. The madness effect says in a tooltip that it only affects the tarnished.
It doesn't affect them with maddnes but Ive beaten morgott, Godfrey, black blade kindred, and more with pure madness including Vykes spear
Essentially running a frenzied banished knight commander ATM having a blast lol
Frenzied flame staggers unbelievably fast on big bosses so it's nice for that damage on the spear is hitting pretty nice as well
@@dustinschule5985 I have aswell, it's just not as cool to never get use of the frenzy
I had this idea to powerstance two upgraded vyke spears to stack the madness condition. To do this, you would need two accounts (or a really generous friend who'd give you their spear for free lol). With one account that has Vykes spear but doesn't need it (we'll call this Save A), summon a friend and drop the spear. Have them pick it up. Now load in Save B (the save where you want both spears). Go get the spear in Save B and then summon your friend and have them drop the weapon back for you to pick it up in Save B. Now you have both spear in one save and powerstancing, I believe, is better for a Dex build since holding a weapon with two hands scales off of your strength (correct me if I'm wrong)
That was awesome! I’ve been bleed building it up. But honestly, I think I’m ready to switch to madness!
Theres other really good frenzy spells like Unendurable Frenzy, and Shabriri's Howl. And if you lock yourself into the Lord of Frenzy ending, you do way more damage with frenzy magic and take way less build up for every attack you do. I recently took 3/4 of someone's health bar and made them reach madness with one burst shot in an invasion.
Becoming the Lord of Frenzy increases your damage and reduces buildup? Where's the source on that information because that's pretty cool
@@sayzin I dont have one, I just could tell an immediate difference after I locked into the chaos ending. Its noticeable. Although the Seal of the Frenzied Flame helps too.
@@redmenace1570 I locked into that ending last night so I guess I'll have to respec and try it out
Loving the game so far but it has a long way to go with “balance” I really hope they put their passion into the future patches and fixes for this game and not ignore it like past souls games that still need (fixing)
TIP: if you find that you build up your own madness too much, get the clarifying horn charm (and the +1 version if you can) to increase focus so you build up less
It's insane to me how many builds you've already put out and how consistently you seemingly just beat the entire damn game at RL 60 or even lower to get good talismans. Wild
I have a heavy faith/dex/strength build, and use basically only dragon and frenzy flame incantations with vykes spear plus the dragon lords lightning spear thing. Very much lot so fun yes
I love the new outro. Actually, I just love the vid in general. Amazing stuff, Chase. Keep up the great work! And the very entertaining streams
Watching you doing your invasions is so satisfying. I didn’t know how op that weapon truly is but then again anything you use tend to be op cause you’re built different lol. Still my favorite souls RUclipsr/streamer.
Love the Veteran wrecking the hell out of casuals and new players. Just giving them sheer panic not trying to die.
Madness seems specifically made for npc invasions or pvp. It has little to no effect on most bosses and baddies but it'll MELT npc invaders
Madness spells have been really useful for bosses in my run. They stagger them quite easy and you get a lot of hits in, because bosses are so big. Against fast ones its tricky though. But i beat all dragons with madness.
Boss, you should definently try the Immolation/Erdtree Greatshield combo. The weaponskill on the Greatshield counters spells and shoots back a beam that scales with faith (I THINK). Immolation, (or its elden ring alternative), does constant fire damage, which procs the greatshield counter. So you constantly have a beam of high damaging counterspells active while immolation is active. Its actually crazy and i'd love to see how you'd use it cause, in my opibion, its insanely, and steangely, viable.
I don't mind minor spoilers for that typa thing, where do I get the greatshield and immolation?
@@halcyon1644 realized i should had a spoiler tag or something
Immolation im not actually sure about, since my build isnt actually focused on spells. But the Shield can be found by killing the Erdtree Sentinel duo in the Capital beneath the Erdtree. They overlook an Erdtree sapling in the main route. You gotra kill both to get the drop, i believe.
Good idea is grabbing some throwing knives and aggroing them one at a time.
@@halcyon1644 the Immolation equivalent is called Fire's Deadly Sin and can be found at Windmill Heights Southeast Overlook
@@BigothyArchibaldBusiness ... Or Draconic Knight'ng it and sneaking with poison mist
@@halcyon1644 THAT TOO, im a melee build so i just swung at them really really hard
There's another madness spell if people don't know called Howl of Shabriri. It has a faith requirement off 33 though. Madness looks really fun in this game, find it much more enjoyable than playing with bleed personally.
There are 5 madness incantations that I know of, and 2 of them are pretty amazing. I'm making a madness build myself.
@@TheSm1thers Yeah Madness is super fun, shame it doesn't have too much effect on pve for the most part, or some more weapon variety.
They are gonna nerf all the cool stuff to shit, personaly i think they should just buff the normal stuff instead, if everybody is op in pvp- then nobody is op in pvp.. i dont wanna go back to ds3 combat.. invading wasnt close as fun when u have to hit them 100 times, cause they kept chugging estus- even tho u just hit them 3 times in a row for the 12th time.
The Leaden Hardtear (poise tear) and the Crimsonwhorl Bubbletear (converts damage received into hp) give you poise casting and healing, it works really well for melee casters especially if you have a long casting spell/incantation.
Inescapable Frenzy is fast enough to grab people AFTER they're inflicted with madness and they have that period standing there holding their head.
Madness is broken right now. Each hit even if dodged will build all status effects but the final hit can be dodged so it’s balanced in a Jank sort of way. Madness however will proc no matter what, meaning you can go hitless against somebody using the spear and still suffer from madness. Definitely going to be changed.
every status effect weapon does that
@@SuperduperGamer1 Except as he explained you can dodge the status proc if it happens during your I-frames but not madness.
@@Zamusss No its every status ive have gotten bled during my i frames
You're missing the Howl of Shabriri, it's like the shriek that NPC invader does near the church of inhibitions. its a close ranger AOE that hits multiple times causing damage and madness build-up, a LOT of madness build up.
That requires some heavy stat placement though.
Gotta love how every mage starts spamming moonveil it’s like the Elden Ring version of fallen knight set
I just noticed the weapon art sets the ground a'flame in a three pronged pattern, like it's a sigil of the Three Fingers. neat little touch.
Just so I avoid spoilers I'm not gonna watch much of the video, but I have been looking forward to using all the madness weapons/incantations
Madness build is for sure thing I will try to use. It's just so cool making your enemies loosing their mind and then finishing them with something fatal
Elden Ring is one of the few games I've been waiting for, but due to the fact that I live in Russia, I can't buy it. I hope this will all end soon and we will only fight in games.
15:21 my god 🤣 when u get outplayed by the simplest of maneuvers.
Madness is a pretty broken especially on a melee that builds up madness
The death animations and louder screams of frenzy make it so worth.
I was doing this build and I just realized. If you get someone to become maddened you can use the grab move to INSTANTLY KILL THEM. Not even joking the grab does tons of damage and the maddened animation is long enough for the grab.
Persian Envoy: "This is madness!" Leonidas: "Well yes actually:
I love going back and seeing these early videos. No one leveling vigor, everyone spamming moonveil, nobody knowing about frenzied burst.. 💖
that first snipe on Raoh tho lmaoooo. poor guy never saw it coming and thought it was gonna be a close range spell
Not sure if you’re aware but due to de-Sync you actually get madness buildup even if you don’t Hit them and they can’t roll out of madness unlike bleed, meaning the weapon is genuinely broken. Lots of things from needs to look into/Nerf 👀
Just a little tip for anyone struggling with that draconic tree sentinel in front of malekith, you can use that long range frenzy move to kill him slowly and the only thing he’ll be able to hit you with are easy to dodge lightning and fireball attacks
Damn faith has been done right in this game. I like they brought back the frenzy stat from Bloodborne and packaged in flame and lightning.
4:42 A fitting reaction of dying to madness, lol.
The music while invading adds so much
This is not madness THIS IS SPARTA
This spear is just the embodiment of "put some respeck on my name"
i was having a real hard time getting into elden ring gameplay videos cause the open world and the horse confused me and everyone seemed to assume that we'd all watched the bajillion videos that were made even before the game came out, but the pvp just makes sense, i look forward to seeing you master every single little trick in the game
my head canon is that madness magic is actually just erdtree magic and that's why it's faith incantations
Chase! As a day 1 madness user, try using arcane with the dragon communion seal. The arcane scaling increases the speed of the madness meter like it does with bleed/poison.
Also, just realized that the flame pattern on the ground from Vyke's spear is a reflection of the 3 fingers (for those who are interested in lore)
14:53 oh boy~ people that utilize the mirrors, i do that too! once we get invaded i swap one of my trinkets with one of those. its neat to confuse invaders of "who's the real host?" or "Who's the real summon?"
So happy for you with this game man been watching your stuff for awhile!
The sheer AOE and poise while using the weapon art from that weapon makes it terrifying
But how cool is this ! Yellow flames of insanity affecting not only the target but the wielder as well. Love it thematically and love to see it in game
i wonder if proccing madness gives enough time to grab them with inescapable frenzy, and you seem to be missing one of the frenzy incantations, Howl of Shabriri
i tried and it never gave me the animation. I am not sure if you can do it when they are already in an animation (madness animation).
@@ChaseTheBro You sould try having a perseverance weapon tank their hit and grab them with it, saw someone do it that way
Frenzyflame Thrust is so good. It seems people are used to so few weapons having that much poise that it doesn't even cross their minds that they should avoid face-tanking.
Dude the npc invasion in the frenzy village hit me with Superman laser eye beams
Inescapable frenzy is an incantation I have yet to see someone land or land myself, I have honestly given up even getting it this time.
“Good fight good fight “ after effortlessly slaughtering a whole group of players 😂😂 gotta love the good sportsmanship
10:38 "See this? its my staff cool isnt?"